August 7, 2025 • 16 mins
Superman flies onto screens with a divisive splash as James Gunn attempts to resurrect DC's cinematic universe. Our hosts Michael, Addy, and a special guest dive into whether this fresh take soars or crashes under the weight of universe-building ambitions.
What makes Superman so challenging to adapt? The team explores why this iconic character has struggled in modern cinema, comparing Gunn's approach to previous incarnations from Zack Snyder's gritty Man of Steel to Brandon Rauth's Superman Returns. They question whether any filmmaker can recapture the magic of Christopher Reeve's classic portrayal and if Gunn was the right choice to helm DC's rebirth.
The conversation heats up around the film's juggling act of introducing too many characters while trying to tell Superman's story. "Instead of giving us 10 million different characters, why don't you just flesh out the rivalry between Lex Luthor and Superman?" one host demands. They debate the political messaging that becomes more apparent on second viewing, the on-the-nose dialogue about morality, and whether the stellar cast performances can save a script lacking nuance. With ratings ranging from a dismal 1/5 to a respectable 7.5/10, this spirited debate captures the polarizing nature of modern superhero cinema and what it means for DC's future.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Leave me alone.
Ah, akira, where's the door?
Hey everyone, and welcome toanother movie review from Movies
Worth Seeing.
I am your host, michael, joinedby Addy and James Gunn's
(00:26):
Superman.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
In all its wide angle glory.
I know some people were goingto die.
Ah, the voice breaks.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Dog loser you took the dog.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's a voice of authority that you want in
around your corner.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
So we'll get into that.
Did James Gunn do theimpossible?
Did James Gunn resurrectSuperman from the ashes and
create this whole new DCcinematic universe that's going
to compete with whatever's leftof Marvel.
Why do you say it's?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
impossible.
You use the term impossible.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't know what it is about Superman, but it just
feels like no matter what, likeit just doesn't work.
Well, you had Snyder try andmake superman gritty and like
killing people, where he snappedgeneral zod's neck.
Then there was superman returnsbefore that, where they were
like we're not gonna do a rebootjust yet, we're gonna try and
(01:16):
do a sequel with a differentactor, and that didn't work not
brandon ralph's fault, butthere's something, I feel, where
it's almost like fantastic four, where they're just they just
can't do that perfect supermanmovie, since, like the original
superman with christopher reeve,nothing has beaten superman 2.
I hate this idea, though, thatjames gunn just comes in and
(01:38):
it's gonna fix everything.
It's like yeah, he can doeverything.
He can start a whole new dcuniverse.
He can ignore all the.
He can start a whole new DCuniverse.
He can ignore all the shittymovies that have just come out
and relaunch the whole cinematicuniverse because he's perfect.
It's like Guardians of theGalaxy and the Suicide Squad are
the only two movies I've seenof his where I was like yeah,
that was, that was good.
(01:59):
But I wasn't like oh my God,that was fucking amazing.
He is the new Jordan Peele ofmovie making.
Addy.
I can't like oh my God, thatwas fucking amazing.
Here's the new Jordan Peele ofmovie making.
Addy.
I can't believe you've seenthis movie twice now.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I walked out of the movie twice, and both of the
times with a complete differentperspective on it.
First time I went in therebrain dead and just not knowing
what to expect.
Wondering is James Gunn goingto pull the pillars apart and
just blow the stench?
Smell, that was left behindfrom previous directors.
(02:31):
I think he did.
I don't think it's a greatmovie, but compared to the last
ones, I do think he blew newlife into this stench of a black
hole that was left behind Right.
You needed to swing it this way,but James Gunn, stepped into dc
with the project to start thenew dc universe and now he has
(02:53):
begun that journey.
So superman is the first one.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, but that's where the problem is, instead of
him just being like I'm gonnamake one decent superman movie,
it became no, I have to launchthis entire cinematic universe.
So this film became a wholejuggling of all these freaking
characters, to the point wherethe characters we cared about
(03:17):
had no focus or emphasis you'renot going to see fucking
superman to watch honorsuperheroes yeah, right, exactly
, and I agree.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
However, whether it's good or not, it's subjective.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I can appreciate the fact that superman doesn't have
to be the hero all the time yeah, but because it's meant to be
the start of the cinematicuniverse, I don't mind it if
it's just superman, it's likeyou're starting it.
So superman has to be thisnucleus where we have to have
him fleshed out.
So I kind of felt like it couldjust be Superman, just so we
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can fully get to understand hischaracter, his relationship to
these people, without going intothe whole origin story again.
I felt, with the pacing, okay,we're going to play catch up
with.
Where's Lex Luthor at.
Who are the Justice Gang?
How long have they been around?
Do they like each other?
Do they work together?
Like you get thrown in the deepend and you just have to try
(04:11):
and catch up and the moviestruggles to help you catch up
to understanding all thesecharacters and how they work in
this world.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
New cinematic universe this is where I kind of
have to play devil's advocate.
In a two-hour time span there'sjust some plot convenience sort
of things, or just like certainplot devices has to occur to
give that narrative thrust.
And it's like one of thosethings where you have to bite
the bullet and just like acceptit for what it is, without
diving into the nitty-gritty ofwhere did this kaiju come from?
(04:41):
It's like like, how did theJustice Gang get founded?
It's stuff that like they haveto be relegated to some TV show
or a future movie.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But that goes back to the argument I was saying
before Instead of giving us 10million different characters
that you're throwing at us allat once, why don't you just
flesh out the rivalry betweenLex Luthor and Superman?
Where did it come from?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I agree so that focus it, just focus, it mean more
when he defeats lex just go backto the fact that, like other
superheroes do exist, they don'tsteal too much like screen time
away from it, and the onlycharacter that's closest to
stealing the spotlight wouldhave been mr terrific, who was
like aura farming.
If you do it too much, youstart to take attention away
from the protagonist when itshould be about that one
(05:27):
singular character shit man.
I'm mr terrific, I know how todo this man there was one moment
where, I swear, I thought hewas gonna say you fucking white
people, fuck man, you fuckingwhite people again just
teetering on just like aurafarming a bit too much that you
start to take the cool factoraway from the person that's
(05:50):
supposed to be the protagonist.
I kind of felt the opposite.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I felt like the movie's trying to force it down
my throat.
He's really cool and I did notfeel he was cool.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Sometimes it's a bit try hard.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I was taking a step back and being like, so what the
fuck is his power?
He's really smart and he's gotflying balls that just attack
everyone.
I was like that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
He's a boogeyman.
You didn't see him dance thebig brass balls, your big brass
balls.
The first time I went to seethis movie right, I went in
there with a complete mind,completely oblivious.
Then I started reading up alittle bit on the film.
Now I'm going to watch it againand I read so much of that like
, oh, this movie is woke.
I was like, was it woke?
I don't really remember itbeing woke and now watching the
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second time, holy fuck, howfucking woke is this film.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's funny because at the premiere, this news
journalist, this woke newsjournalist, was like how do you
feel about what James Gunn saidabout this being about illegal
immigration and Superman's anillegal immigrant just trying to
make ends meet or whatever?
And Nathan Fillion was justlike it's just a movie, man,
it's just a movie, guys.
(06:59):
It's just a movie.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And that's how I went into it.
It's just a movie, but then Ican't unsee it the second time.
I love Native Philly and NativePhilly had nothing to do with
it.
What's the most woke aspect ofthis?
Oh yeah, give some examples.
Yes, I can give you two.
The white supremacy, harobi areall white people.
If you saw the army, then theyhave the brown people.
(07:24):
Yeah, the arab, middle easternlooking people that are being
oppressed and they have nothingand they have to pull up a stick
to bind together with a pieceof cloth with an s on it,
because they chant for supermanand chant because superman is
going to end racism the secondexample.
It's, it's.
It's exactly what the reporterwas asking.
They had a feeling about jamesgunn making it about illegal
immigration and then the wholespeech that superman gives at
the end towards lex luther.
(07:45):
Why, why?
Why james gunn?
Why I didn't?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
see it that much.
It was more so that thedialogue was so fucking on the
nose of of this idea of, oh,superman's got more morals even
though he's an alien.
Versus lex luther.
It's like I get that, I seethat, I feel that, but then when
you have the characterliterally saying those words to
the audience, it's like do youget it?
(08:12):
Everyone, do you get it?
Lex luther is the real evil oneand the alien isn't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
See the irony do you get it?
Let's take this as anopportunity to segue into like
the line deliveries, the actingof um, what's his name?
David cornsweat.
Comic book movies occupy a sortof weird space of like
cognitive dissonance in my head,where it's sort of like
distance enough that I canconsciously understand that the
(08:42):
line deliveries can be soridiculous that I can make that
separation and divorce myself oflike the more logical side of
my brain.
As a viewer.
I was in the mindset more so,of say, animated DC movies and
TV shows like Justice LeagueUnlimited and stuff You're going
to wash your hands.
No, no, because I'm evil wherethe dialogues can be super on
(09:06):
the nose and like unambiguous asto its moral grandstanding.
My issue is that this is a liveaction adaptation.
You have to be a bit smarterabout the way that you write
dialogues and stuff without itbeing so preachy.
Working together, we saved theplanet.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We would be a force that could truly work for the
ideals of peace and justice?
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
how corny that sounds .
But I'm gonna contradict myselfin saying that I think
superman's dialogues wereintentionally written so and
delivered so.
People were gonna die and hisvoice is breaking and stuff.
People were going to die he'snot thinking in terms of the
geopolitical ramifications.
He he's just doing it so goodto a fault to highlight his
(09:47):
naivete as a complete contrastto Lex Luthor.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, yeah.
So in this movie you have rightand wrong.
There is no middle ground andsuper on the nose about that,
and super on the nose on it andit's like you're either wrong or
you're either good.
It was very cookie cutter.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It was very, but did he really?
And I felt like there was goingto be this nuance there.
Okay, and then it wascompletely stripped away, to
just go for the simple good guygood, bad guy, bad.
Like you mean to tell me LexLuthor has this whole fucking
(10:24):
dimension he creates to imprisonSuperman.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And any naysayers and dissenters.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, and it's purely because he envies him.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That was continuing like now that you've brought up
uh, is it nicholas hall?
Given that he had to work withwhat he got?
Okay, so let's talk about,let's figure out the performance
.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Let's bring it up the fact that, okay, the movie had
a lot of shit, a lot ofpolitical bullshit, a lot of
stuff that wasn't in the rightplace.
The writing was horrible andthe whole nuance of it was out
of place, but the one thing thatsaved the movie is an absolute
stellar cast.
A few dumb shit, but the castis not to blame for that and
Nicholas Hoult is one of them.
I'm sure he fleshed it out asan actor.
(11:02):
He would have fleshed it outand came up with reasoning for
it himself, but it wasn't partof the story and something was
just off.
But that's just because thewhole like being envious makes
no sense.
What's the extra skill to placelois light?
She was amazing.
She was great.
Again, I can't fault anybodyfor their acting skills.
She was good, she was reallygood.
I just think the character arcfrom the story perspective just
(11:25):
made no sense there are someother aspects we haven't talked
about.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
what's, what's all these like super wide angle,
super wide angle fricking Doesthat work for you guys.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It looked like chicken wings.
It was fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know the punches and the kicks.
I derived entertainment fromthose.
Like you know he's popping hisown shoulder and it's like the
visceral punches and the sounddesign.
Good, the flying, what and theblazes, why?
Why are they doing it?
They did that with adam warlockin like guardians of galaxy 3.
Perfect point of comparison isthe way that this movie does the
flying versus man of steel withlike the right, like the
(12:01):
swelling han zimmer score, and Iwas comparing this to the kind
of like tv show cw style oflighting and cinematography.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just go for like the flat kind of, can I say, sitcom
look well, not maybe not really,but it does bring up a good
point that I cannot, for thelife of me, remember any shots
from this nothing stands out nostandout moment, whereas at
least I can remember man ofsteel, even though that movie is
12 years old and I've probablywatched it twice.
I remember the shots of like himjumping and the swelling of the
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Hans Zimmer music, like thebuildup, the emotional buildup,
of him taking on the mantle ofbecoming Superman, and I believe
it was shot on film.
It had a much more iconic look.
This did not feel like it wasproperly setting up a cinematic
universe.
(12:54):
It doesn't feel like it's goingto be that return to form for
superhero movies.
It's all the same bullshit.
It's all the same cliches andtropes that we've come
accustomed to and that we'resick of, and it hasn't found any
ways to breathe new life intothis genre.
It just hits the same noteswell, but in a way where by the
(13:15):
end of it, I was like it's amovie oh, so your your final
score as a result?
yeah, so my final score as aresult is like two and a half
out of five.
It's like it's bright and it'scolorful, but there's like
there's nothing to latch on to.
And out of all the supermanmovies, it's definitely not the
ones I'm gonna go back to.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, I mean, it's definitely better than superman
4 quest for peace hilariouslybad like that that's on the room
level of bad what would yougive it better than the halfway
points?
I was, yeah, I would say maybelike a seven and a half out of
ten, which is just like abovethe halfway.
But I I would say maybe like a7.5 out of 10, which is just
(13:57):
like above the halfway, but I'mnot saying it's like 8.
I liked it.
It's not like the greats of thegreats.
It's a victim of being thefirst of a shared cinematic
universe sort of movie whereit's trying to do too much.
Yeah, 7.5.
Like, I don't dislike it.
I had a good time, you know,whilst knowing all of the issues
that we raised.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Eddie.
All right, so I'm going tobreak it down into five subjects
, which I'm going to come upwith now.
So we have story none.
We have cinematography andmusic none.
We have cast one Part of thebigger picture none.
And what was the last one?
The?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
fun aspect None Zero.
That gives you a grand total ofone out of five stars.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's like Guy Gardner's construct when he's
fighting against the not-Israelarmy.
Yeah, not-Israel army.
One out of five.
Honestly, I'll give it a 1.5because there were some funny
moments and I love the cast andthey made it fun for me to watch
.
You're telling a fuckingentertainment story for a
demographic that is not reallyintended.
There's not the one that isfocused on politicals.
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Leave me alone.
Ah, akira, where's the door?
Hey everyone, and welcome toanother movie review from Movies
Worth Seeing.
I am your host, michael, joinedby Addy and James Gunn's
(00:26):
Superman.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
In all its wide angle glory.
I know some people were goingto die.
Ah, the voice breaks.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Dog loser you took the dog.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's a voice of authority that you want in
around your corner.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
So we'll get into that.
Did James Gunn do theimpossible?
Did James Gunn resurrectSuperman from the ashes and
create this whole new DCcinematic universe that's going
to compete with whatever's leftof Marvel.
Why do you say it's?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
impossible.
You use the term impossible.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't know what it is about Superman, but it just
feels like no matter what, likeit just doesn't work.
Well, you had Snyder try andmake superman gritty and like
killing people, where he snappedgeneral zod's neck.
Then there was superman returnsbefore that, where they were
like we're not gonna do a rebootjust yet, we're gonna try and
(01:16):
do a sequel with a differentactor, and that didn't work not
brandon ralph's fault, butthere's something, I feel, where
it's almost like fantastic four, where they're just they just
can't do that perfect supermanmovie, since, like the original
superman with christopher reeve,nothing has beaten superman 2.
I hate this idea, though, thatjames gunn just comes in and
(01:38):
it's gonna fix everything.
It's like yeah, he can doeverything.
He can start a whole new dcuniverse.
He can ignore all the.
He can start a whole new DCuniverse.
He can ignore all the shittymovies that have just come out
and relaunch the whole cinematicuniverse because he's perfect.
It's like Guardians of theGalaxy and the Suicide Squad are
the only two movies I've seenof his where I was like yeah,
that was, that was good.
(01:59):
But I wasn't like oh my God,that was fucking amazing.
He is the new Jordan Peele ofmovie making.
Addy.
I can't like oh my God, thatwas fucking amazing.
Here's the new Jordan Peele ofmovie making.
Addy.
I can't believe you've seenthis movie twice now.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I walked out of the movie twice, and both of the
times with a complete differentperspective on it.
First time I went in therebrain dead and just not knowing
what to expect.
Wondering is James Gunn goingto pull the pillars apart and
just blow the stench?
Smell, that was left behindfrom previous directors.
(02:31):
I think he did.
I don't think it's a greatmovie, but compared to the last
ones, I do think he blew newlife into this stench of a black
hole that was left behind Right.
You needed to swing it this way,but James Gunn, stepped into dc
with the project to start thenew dc universe and now he has
(02:53):
begun that journey.
So superman is the first one.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, but that's where the problem is, instead of
him just being like I'm gonnamake one decent superman movie,
it became no, I have to launchthis entire cinematic universe.
So this film became a wholejuggling of all these freaking
characters, to the point wherethe characters we cared about
(03:17):
had no focus or emphasis you'renot going to see fucking
superman to watch honorsuperheroes yeah, right, exactly
, and I agree.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
However, whether it's good or not, it's subjective.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I can appreciate the fact that superman doesn't have
to be the hero all the time yeah, but because it's meant to be
the start of the cinematicuniverse, I don't mind it if
it's just superman, it's likeyou're starting it.
So superman has to be thisnucleus where we have to have
him fleshed out.
So I kind of felt like it couldjust be Superman, just so we
(03:49):
can fully get to understand hischaracter, his relationship to
these people, without going intothe whole origin story again.
I felt, with the pacing, okay,we're going to play catch up
with.
Where's Lex Luthor at.
Who are the Justice Gang?
How long have they been around?
Do they like each other?
Do they work together?
Like you get thrown in the deepend and you just have to try
(04:11):
and catch up and the moviestruggles to help you catch up
to understanding all thesecharacters and how they work in
this world.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
New cinematic universe this is where I kind of
have to play devil's advocate.
In a two-hour time span there'sjust some plot convenience sort
of things, or just like certainplot devices has to occur to
give that narrative thrust.
And it's like one of thosethings where you have to bite
the bullet and just like acceptit for what it is, without
diving into the nitty-gritty ofwhere did this kaiju come from?
(04:41):
It's like like, how did theJustice Gang get founded?
It's stuff that like they haveto be relegated to some TV show
or a future movie.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
But that goes back to the argument I was saying
before Instead of giving us 10million different characters
that you're throwing at us allat once, why don't you just
flesh out the rivalry betweenLex Luthor and Superman?
Where did it come from?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I agree so that focus it, just focus, it mean more
when he defeats lex just go backto the fact that, like other
superheroes do exist, they don'tsteal too much like screen time
away from it, and the onlycharacter that's closest to
stealing the spotlight wouldhave been mr terrific, who was
like aura farming.
If you do it too much, youstart to take attention away
from the protagonist when itshould be about that one
(05:27):
singular character shit man.
I'm mr terrific, I know how todo this man there was one moment
where, I swear, I thought hewas gonna say you fucking white
people, fuck man, you fuckingwhite people again just
teetering on just like aurafarming a bit too much that you
start to take the cool factoraway from the person that's
(05:50):
supposed to be the protagonist.
I kind of felt the opposite.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I felt like the movie's trying to force it down
my throat.
He's really cool and I did notfeel he was cool.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Sometimes it's a bit try hard.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I was taking a step back and being like, so what the
fuck is his power?
He's really smart and he's gotflying balls that just attack
everyone.
I was like that's not cool.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
He's a boogeyman.
You didn't see him dance thebig brass balls, your big brass
balls.
The first time I went to seethis movie right, I went in
there with a complete mind,completely oblivious.
Then I started reading up alittle bit on the film.
Now I'm going to watch it againand I read so much of that like
, oh, this movie is woke.
I was like, was it woke?
I don't really remember itbeing woke and now watching the
(06:32):
second time, holy fuck, howfucking woke is this film.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
It's funny because at the premiere, this news
journalist, this woke newsjournalist, was like how do you
feel about what James Gunn saidabout this being about illegal
immigration and Superman's anillegal immigrant just trying to
make ends meet or whatever?
And Nathan Fillion was justlike it's just a movie, man,
it's just a movie, guys.
(06:59):
It's just a movie.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And that's how I went into it.
It's just a movie, but then Ican't unsee it the second time.
I love Native Philly and NativePhilly had nothing to do with
it.
What's the most woke aspect ofthis?
Oh yeah, give some examples.
Yes, I can give you two.
The white supremacy, harobi areall white people.
If you saw the army, then theyhave the brown people.
(07:24):
Yeah, the arab, middle easternlooking people that are being
oppressed and they have nothingand they have to pull up a stick
to bind together with a pieceof cloth with an s on it,
because they chant for supermanand chant because superman is
going to end racism the secondexample.
It's, it's.
It's exactly what the reporterwas asking.
They had a feeling about jamesgunn making it about illegal
immigration and then the wholespeech that superman gives at
the end towards lex luther.
(07:45):
Why, why?
Why james gunn?
Why I didn't?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
see it that much.
It was more so that thedialogue was so fucking on the
nose of of this idea of, oh,superman's got more morals even
though he's an alien.
Versus lex luther.
It's like I get that, I seethat, I feel that, but then when
you have the characterliterally saying those words to
the audience, it's like do youget it?
(08:12):
Everyone, do you get it?
Lex luther is the real evil oneand the alien isn't.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
See the irony do you get it?
Let's take this as anopportunity to segue into like
the line deliveries, the actingof um, what's his name?
David cornsweat.
Comic book movies occupy a sortof weird space of like
cognitive dissonance in my head,where it's sort of like
distance enough that I canconsciously understand that the
(08:42):
line deliveries can be soridiculous that I can make that
separation and divorce myself oflike the more logical side of
my brain.
As a viewer.
I was in the mindset more so,of say, animated DC movies and
TV shows like Justice LeagueUnlimited and stuff You're going
to wash your hands.
No, no, because I'm evil wherethe dialogues can be super on
(09:06):
the nose and like unambiguous asto its moral grandstanding.
My issue is that this is a liveaction adaptation.
You have to be a bit smarterabout the way that you write
dialogues and stuff without itbeing so preachy.
Working together, we saved theplanet.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We would be a force that could truly work for the
ideals of peace and justice?
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
how corny that sounds .
But I'm gonna contradict myselfin saying that I think
superman's dialogues wereintentionally written so and
delivered so.
People were gonna die and hisvoice is breaking and stuff.
People were going to die he'snot thinking in terms of the
geopolitical ramifications.
He he's just doing it so goodto a fault to highlight his
(09:47):
naivete as a complete contrastto Lex Luthor.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Well, yeah.
So in this movie you have rightand wrong.
There is no middle ground andsuper on the nose about that,
and super on the nose on it andit's like you're either wrong or
you're either good.
It was very cookie cutter.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
It was very, but did he really?
And I felt like there was goingto be this nuance there.
Okay, and then it wascompletely stripped away, to
just go for the simple good guygood, bad guy, bad.
Like you mean to tell me LexLuthor has this whole fucking
(10:24):
dimension he creates to imprisonSuperman.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And any naysayers and dissenters.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, and it's purely because he envies him.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That was continuing like now that you've brought up
uh, is it nicholas hall?
Given that he had to work withwhat he got?
Okay, so let's talk about,let's figure out the performance
.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Let's bring it up the fact that, okay, the movie had
a lot of shit, a lot ofpolitical bullshit, a lot of
stuff that wasn't in the rightplace.
The writing was horrible andthe whole nuance of it was out
of place, but the one thing thatsaved the movie is an absolute
stellar cast.
A few dumb shit, but the castis not to blame for that and
Nicholas Hoult is one of them.
I'm sure he fleshed it out asan actor.
(11:02):
He would have fleshed it outand came up with reasoning for
it himself, but it wasn't partof the story and something was
just off.
But that's just because thewhole like being envious makes
no sense.
What's the extra skill to placelois light?
She was amazing.
She was great.
Again, I can't fault anybodyfor their acting skills.
She was good, she was reallygood.
I just think the character arcfrom the story perspective just
(11:25):
made no sense there are someother aspects we haven't talked
about.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
what's, what's all these like super wide angle,
super wide angle fricking Doesthat work for you guys.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It looked like chicken wings.
It was fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
You know the punches and the kicks.
I derived entertainment fromthose.
Like you know he's popping hisown shoulder and it's like the
visceral punches and the sounddesign.
Good, the flying, what and theblazes, why?
Why are they doing it?
They did that with adam warlockin like guardians of galaxy 3.
Perfect point of comparison isthe way that this movie does the
flying versus man of steel withlike the right, like the
(12:01):
swelling han zimmer score, and Iwas comparing this to the kind
of like tv show cw style oflighting and cinematography.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Just go for like the flat kind of, can I say, sitcom
look well, not maybe not really,but it does bring up a good
point that I cannot, for thelife of me, remember any shots
from this nothing stands out nostandout moment, whereas at
least I can remember man ofsteel, even though that movie is
12 years old and I've probablywatched it twice.
I remember the shots of like himjumping and the swelling of the
(12:34):
Hans Zimmer music, like thebuildup, the emotional buildup,
of him taking on the mantle ofbecoming Superman, and I believe
it was shot on film.
It had a much more iconic look.
This did not feel like it wasproperly setting up a cinematic
universe.
(12:54):
It doesn't feel like it's goingto be that return to form for
superhero movies.
It's all the same bullshit.
It's all the same cliches andtropes that we've come
accustomed to and that we'resick of, and it hasn't found any
ways to breathe new life intothis genre.
It just hits the same noteswell, but in a way where by the
(13:15):
end of it, I was like it's amovie oh, so your your final
score as a result?
yeah, so my final score as aresult is like two and a half
out of five.
It's like it's bright and it'scolorful, but there's like
there's nothing to latch on to.
And out of all the supermanmovies, it's definitely not the
ones I'm gonna go back to.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well, I mean, it's definitely better than superman
4 quest for peace hilariouslybad like that that's on the room
level of bad what would yougive it better than the halfway
points?
I was, yeah, I would say maybelike a seven and a half out of
ten, which is just like abovethe halfway.
But I I would say maybe like a7.5 out of 10, which is just
(13:57):
like above the halfway, but I'mnot saying it's like 8.
I liked it.
It's not like the greats of thegreats.
It's a victim of being thefirst of a shared cinematic
universe sort of movie whereit's trying to do too much.
Yeah, 7.5.
Like, I don't dislike it.
I had a good time, you know,whilst knowing all of the issues
that we raised.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Eddie.
All right, so I'm going tobreak it down into five subjects
, which I'm going to come upwith now.
So we have story none.
We have cinematography andmusic none.
We have cast one Part of thebigger picture none.
And what was the last one?
The?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
fun aspect None Zero.
That gives you a grand total ofone out of five stars.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That's like Guy Gardner's construct when he's
fighting against the not-Israelarmy.
Yeah, not-Israel army.
One out of five.
Honestly, I'll give it a 1.5because there were some funny
moments and I love the cast andthey made it fun for me to watch
.
You're telling a fuckingentertainment story for a
demographic that is not reallyintended.
There's not the one that isfocused on politicals.
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