November 22, 2023 • 34 mins
"Get ready for a riveting cinematic journey on today's episode! We kick off with the intriguingly divisive film “The Killer.” Did its meticulous storytelling captivate or fall flat? We're divided, and you'll want to hear why.
Next up, “John Wick” - a film that starts slow but explodes into action. You won't believe our comparison to a certain Avenger's tactic! Plus, we dive into the world of CGI, budgets, and how they shape movies like “The Killer.”
Our final act? A sneak peek into “The Killer Does His Taxes.” Yes, you read that right. It's a unique blend of mundane and mayhem that ties into our wider discussion: what makes a film truly gripping?
Join us for this episode as we explore these cinematic puzzles. Bring your popcorn and your opinions – we want to hear them all! Tune in now for an episode full of surprises."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of
movies worth seeing.
I'm joined by Addy.
Asia Ashua sounds like aNigerian.
Today we are talking about thekiller, the killer, not the
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killers, just singular thekiller.
Such an exciting title wastedon such a boring movie.
I Can't believe it.
I actually said to Addy at onepoint I took a couple of days
off work just trying toconstantly Finish this because
Addy came to my place to watchit.
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I fell asleep.
He had to leave and it actuallydelayed the whole podcast
production schedule.
This movie, that all up, not methis movie, because if this
movie was more interesting Iwould have gotten it done, and
that's the review.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I love the movie.
Man, I don't know what yourproblem is.
It's slow, it's tedious, sure,whatever, but it's tense and
it's such a good story aboutthis guy's psychological journey
.
It's a good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I actually said to you at one point, I'd rather
watch a dog, a constipated dog,trying to take it.
For a second this movie because,in a similar way, you're seeing
the dog and you're like youknow You've got to come out at
some point, but it just doesn'tcome out.
And then you're like you startscreaming at the dog like come
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on, just come on, let it go, andit just doesn't happen.
Man, and that's what it feltlike watching this movie in the
first like 10, 15 minutes.
You know exactly what kind ofventure, what kind of
entertainment you're in for, asMichael fastbender Doesn't even
kill that many people in thismovie.
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If anything, this film shouldbe called how to plan to
eventually Anticipate and becomea killer.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's called the killer, doesn't call the killing
.
It's about the killer.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's about the person himself who is the killer
that's like being like I want tothe movie the plumber and all
you see is him.
Feeling out his Google calendarfor all of his plumbing
appointments bug on the bunnies.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's pretty much what this movie is like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I want to see the president right but instead of
watching the president do thecool shit like you know, going
out to strip clubs and wasting aton of money or like about to
press the bomb- Send a new newsor that cool stuff.
Instead, you're seeing thepresident argue with his wife
about, like, what TV show towatch, or Watching him wipe his
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with like five hundred dollarbills or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Look, I get what you're saying, but we're not
seeing him taking it.
We're not seeing this guy.
I think we're getting close.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Because we see him sitting in a shower at one point
and there was a moment where Iwas like is he gonna get up from
the shower and just go for asneaky like post shower?
Because it's a shower, but yougo for a post shower, then it's
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so bad you have to go foranother Jesus it's not like you
see him taking it.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It is not like you see.
It's not like you see me in thenews, read a newspaper, I argue
with his wife or anything likethat.
Every scene you see him dosomething that seems not related
whatsoever.
It is so related because it'sall what's it called preparation
for his next mission, in a way.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I guess it's kind of like played the hitman games no
hitman, where you're.
Yeah and you go around indisguise games.
I know the game I haven't playedit, okay but you know the idea
of like you're given a targetand you're given this, the
certain area to work in thisplayground essentially this
digital playground and you haveto find a way to kill the target
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but make it look like anaccident, and that's the whole
game.
If you want to, you can just goup to the target and shoot them
, but you'll have to deal withthe consequences after.
So this movie is kind of likewatching someone play hitman but
never actually pulled thetrigger.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But it pulled the trigger so many times.
Yeah, but it takes forever.
Yeah, because they make itrealistic, like in the hitman
games.
I'm it's a game.
So they made it a lot easier.
They gave you the answers like,oh, walk there, press X, walk
there, press a.
I was like, oh, look at thatoption, look at that option.
It's not like here you havelike 10,000 options because it's
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reality.
You know what I mean.
It's not a game, it's a prettyprogrammed what you're gonna do.
So in here it's just like yousee every just tedious process
of how this works.
You see every tedious task thatis required for his process to
work.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Why does anyone want to watch tedium?
Why does anyone say I want towatch a movie where the
character is monotonous and dulland boring?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, because it's high stakes that are with it.
It's like you root for this guyas well to get his revenge.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Do you, though, because we don't know why he
wants revenge in this movie.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, I agree with that point.
That's not the strongest point.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, the plot is we're introduced to like a house
cleaner or someone that getskilled.
No, she gets wounded.
And this serial killer, thisassassin that we think is kind
of like a robot he has noemotions or sympathy actually
then goes out to avenge hergetting attacked and hilarity
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ensues.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's very, went to the toilet.
Yeah, no, I agree, therelationship between him and the
girl, it's not that it's notset up very well and therefore
the ending is very confusing aswell.
Totally, I agree, that bit isjust his motive for why he's in
what he's doing.
That bit, I feel, wasn'tfleshed out enough.
But the process of what he'sdoing, I feel that's the main
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point, it's the main journey,the process of doing what needs
to be done.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
If the process is fun and interesting.
That can work Like when youwatch the disaster artists and
you watch the process of themmaking a movie.
It's fun watching that process.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Look, I get what you mean and that they'll get me
wrong.
I feel like they could havemade it more interesting.
Good, if 100 percent, but Istill don't want to take it away
that just the tension of thewhole movie.
It's like you're just waitingthere with him.
When is he going to take thatswift action?
You're just waiting for it,yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Look, I don't want to tear the movie apart completely
, like, yes, it was dull andkind of slow, but Michael
fastbender is good.
Yeah, michael fastbender isgood.
But when isn't he good?
I mean even a movie likeAssassin's Creed.
He looks good in it.
That's some serious talent andthat was maybe so we know that
Michael fastbender is going todeliver.
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I mean crap, you could justfilm the guy's face, just his
eyes, just what they did for thekiller which is essentially
what most of this movie is.
It's just the camera, like screwit, we don't need a background,
just film his face.
There's lots of times where thecamera is just close up on his
face and all you're just seeingis like his eyes just zoning in
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on someone or like he's gettinglike that single T action where
you don't know if he's liketeary because he's happy or sad
or what's going on, but it'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
His stillness is just so magnetic, especially in the
restaurant scene.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It was almost slipping into it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's just thinking of the movie.
Force makes you fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Just thinking about it makes me fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Look the restaurant scene.
It's, you were saying to mebefore.
It's the restaurant scene isjust so slow and so tedious, it
could be cut in half and it'sstill have the same information.
Yeah, I agree and disagree atthe same time.
It's like I agree, you'retotally right, but disagree
because you needed to understandhis character more, understand
his conversations, understandhis interaction to others,
especially someone from his ownleague.
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Really that someone thatmatches his level kind of thing.
That conversation, that tension, I feel punches a lot of the
movie, a lot about his character.
But his stillness, he just sitsthere in the dark, the
silhouette, and you just see hiseyes glittering and just like
and it just speaks so much.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's true.
I feel like every actor shouldstudy this movie for Michael
Fastbender's performance and tocement that.
The importance of just subtlety, some subtle eye movements,
every nuance, everything thatMichael Fastbender does.
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Nothing is wasted in any of hisstillness, any of his movements
, Everything has a purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And as well as that, there is barely any dialogue.
He barely speaks throughout thewhole movie.
Well, except the voice of thenarration A lot of voiceover,
but it's just his thoughts.
He's narrating us through thestory, but actual dialogue,
there's barely any dialogue.
And everything he says tosomeone, it's so meaningful In a
sense, not like oh my God, it'smeaningful, but more of like
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shit.
It means something.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, it has that tone that it's meaningful.
So he could just say anythingand it would still.
Oh my God.
I took a kite to the parkyesterday and I wondered how
long would this wind blow?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
God damn, you're making a good point.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like that delivery.
That doesn't matter what hesays, you're just like wow, man,
I got to reevaluate my wholelife because I'm thinking about
kites now.
There's no better feeling thanwhen you convince someone of
your point when it comes tomovies, like if I was talking
about politics or anything elsewouldn't give a shit, but if I
get someone to join my side whenit comes to movies, I feel I've
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made a difference in the world.
So, getting back to the killer,directed by David Fincher,
stars Michael Farspender.
You know we've talked aboutMichael Farspender's performance
, his presence, his captivating.
One of the things I loved aboutthe killer was the voiceover
narration.
It reminded me of Netflix showslike you, where you really get
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a good insight into thecharacter.
As I said, he's got thattonality, that delivery that
just makes everythinginteresting.
Even if he was describing aturd, you'd be like just tell me
more.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Very similar to Patrick Bateman.
Yes, from American Psycho.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And we were kind of talking about this before this
that Patrick Bateman's voiceovernarration is more quotable,
more memorable, because youcould take it out of the movie
and apply it to different things, because he's talking about pop
culture, Whereas in this it'scircumstantial.
It's circumstantial to the plot.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You take it out and you say there's a one-liner to
someone.
To be like what?
Yeah, Like, stop fucking saying.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Whereas I could just go into a Patrick Bateman
monologue while we're talkingabout music and you wouldn't
even Give me a one-liner.
You heard the new Huey Lewis.
What Huey.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Lewis, that didn't work.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, do you like Phil Collins?
That's it, that's it.
Everyone knows.
When you say do you like PhilCollins, that's American Psycho.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Look, I agree that there's slow entities in bits
100%.
But I feel that point of thewhole movie, or a big aspect of
it, is he is being tested.
Michael Fastbander doesn't havea name because he has seven
different fake names in a movieand you don't know what his
actual name is.
He's getting tested for hispatients, right.
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His mantra is Anticipate.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Anticipate, don't improvise.
How do you forget that?
He says it 10 million times?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I don't know.
Anticipate on improvising.
You want him to improvisebecause he's given so many
opportunities to act, to make itan action film, to make it a
high-paced boom.
Alright, there she is, boom,shoot.
He could have shot a certainperson instantly, straight up
the bat.
He could have, but he alwaysreminds himself don't improvise,
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anticipate on, improvise right.
So his patience being testedand more passionate becomes
about why he needs to kill thisperson or why he needs to do
what he needs to do again.
We wanted to improvise, but hedoesn't.
He wants to improvise as wellbecause you see the desire to
just get that revenge, but thenhe holds back anyway.
And then every time he does endup improvising, for example,
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halfway through that fightingscene where he grabs that cheese
crater it's like every time heimprovises, it goes sideways, it
goes wrong, it doesn't work,right.
So whereas when you stick tohis foundation, which is, again,
do not improvise, anticipate itworks, except for the very
beginning, where this has neverhappened before it's funny
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because when we talked aboutthis before, I was saying to you
don't improvise.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That sounds stupid.
Why would a highly professionalassassin not improvise?
Like you don't know what'sgonna happen when you try to
sniper someone from across astreet.
What if they go to the bathroomor they start vomiting?
They get sick like anythingcould happen.
What if they close the curtainsbefore you realize?
Or SWAT team rush into theirhouse because they've got
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cocaine?
Like you got to improvise.
I know that and I'm not anassassin.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I mean there's always room for improvisation, like
you have to right again, it'snot.
So.
This better than improvise.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's anticipate and try to not improvise as much as
you get yeah, which wouldn'thave sounded as good in the
movie, like the killer improve,try to improvise anticipate,
don't improvise so much, try andimprovise a little, but not too
much, and gets into a fight inthe public bathroom.
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He's like ah, throw a turn,grab toilet paper to tie the guy
up bam, elbow to the face.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
That's a way.
I suppose that would have beenfun.
It's a way to go.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's shameful.
Speaking of fights, the fightscene in this was beautiful
surprised out of me because Ihonestly thought I've
accidentally nudged the theremote and change channels or
something, john Wick.
I thought I was watching JohnWick I was like whoa, whoa, whoa
, wait a second.
This movie's actually gotsomething happening.
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It's interesting now, like for50 minutes nothing was going on
and all of a sudden there's it'sshifting into a whole other
gear.
I'm like did David Fincherleave the directing chair and
and Michael Bay stepped in?
What?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
happened.
I love that.
You loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But the first time we tried to watch the movie
downstairs is you slept througha whole fight scene because the
lead up to the fight scene, youkept being like it's coming, man
, it's coming, there's lots ofaction coming.
There's a lot of action comingagain.
It's a whole tedious process toset up that moment and you're
gonna have to like all I wasseeing was just him walking like
from one end of the hall toanother for like ages and ages,
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and I was seeing him talk to adog.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay, look let's say this though nowadays, with a lot
of the movies that are justcomplete rubbish, complete
garbage, it's a little bit ofset up and a lot of payoff, and
because there's so much pay off,there's a lot of the payoff
that's never been set up andyou're like that's so fucking
shit cuz I don't even know whatthey could have done.
That, yeah, they could havedone that like they come up with
so many ways how they couldhave killed Thanos in the first
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five minutes and man could just,like real tiny, go up the bomb,
explode him.
So simple.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know there's so many ways you can just justify
to anything Thanos would feeland man going up his though.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean, and man can go real small like oh so he goes
like quantum level yeah yeah,that's a good point.
I mean there's something likethis how many things that people
say that's okay.
They could have done it likethat.
I mean, what if captain Marvelput on the glove instead of
freaking Iron man, and then TonyStark would have still been
alive?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
bro, people would have been pissed.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I love the movie.
I thought it was the bestMarvel movie you'll get and I
think that's the peak andthey're never gonna match it
again.
But again there's so muchpayoff with such little setup
and it just doesn't match.
Whereas with this movie with akiller, it is so much setup and
such little payoff but the payoff is paid off like you could
not find any other justificationfor it.
You could not find and just ahole in the reason why he
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couldn't do it any other way,like everything is justified.
That's a bit I love, becauseyou can't find a hole in it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm sorry, but I'm stuck on this image of a man
shrinking down to quantum like.
Can you imagine just the sceneof the superheroes explaining to
him being like a man, you haveto shrink yourself down and
enter Thanos's or maybe hisurethra, whatever you prefer why
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do you go up the front?
just go in his mouth something,just go to his mouth and then
yeah, but like I, just thinkthat would be a hilarious scene
of like all the superheroesbeing like and man, we choose
you to be the one we choose youand then a man's just like why
doesn't someone else wear thesuit?
And they shrink down andthey're like no, no, no, you
need to do it.
You need to go up that ass,because we know that you're
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prepared for what Thanos's asswill take.
And then they take over the teamand then like, after all this
mental preparation, he goes upthat ass, that purple ass.
And well, he's purple.
He goes up the ass, and thenThanos, just straight away, is
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like, hmm, something's not right.
And then it's like, maybethat's a deleted scene that they
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just didn't put it in the finalproduct, but it's out there.
Yeah, maybe this is like atriple X version.
How's that?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Oh, I don't want to think about that.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Another thing that was really interesting about the
killer was and you brought thisup to me that they use CGI
backgrounds for like driving andtrain shots and stuff like that
, and I feel like once you toldme about it, I couldn't stop
noticing it.
And then you were telling melike oh, and I was starting to
notice it and be like, wow, thisis kind of bad, Like it's
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obvious.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Again, I gotta say it's your TV though.
Yeah, but you said my TV is toogood.
Your TV is too good, like Idon't know.
You see them 60 frames orsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I don't know, but most people have.
Especially nowadays, mostpeople have those type of TVs.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't the similar doesn't In the cinema.
You just see the 24 frames asecond, I'm pretty sure and you
don't notice it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, but like 4K is becoming more popular, so for
that to be like in a modern film, I don't know.
I feel like they would noticethese things when they're
editing.
Wouldn't they be editing thefilm on like a 4K kind of
computer?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh, dude, they're so.
Wouldn't it be obvious to them?
Six or eight K?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
All I know is when you watch this maybe now after
hearing us talk about it, you'llnotice it more, which is what
happened to me.
Thanks, addy, so welcome.
You feel like watching.
You're watching those old 90scartoon, like those old 90s
sitcoms where whenever they'rein a car, it's super obvious
that they're in like a studio,with like a blue screen or green
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screen background and it's justlike stock footage.
That's kind of what it feltlike, just a bit better, but
still.
Yeah, like a little obviousobviously a little bit better,
but it's the main bit where Isaw.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The CGI was not as much that bit.
It's the planes.
Every time you had like askyline and we're going down,
it's like you see the planeflying, every skyline shot you
had.
You see a plane flying by andor even to.
It's like it's so clearly CGIthat's just like put in.
This is like stock image withthe plane coming by.
It's like that was justobviously fake.
That's what threw me off themost.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And this wasn't like a huge, like box office kind of
movie, like with a huge budget.
What was the budget for?
Do you know?
Look it up.
I mean it's definitely not.
I'm so used to looking upbudget on Marvel movies that
Thanks for spitting.
Yeah, that's what you get.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
You like the killer huh Copy Killer budget.
Let's have a look 175 millionReally Are you for real.
That's what it says here.
I mean it's reddit.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
They paid 175 million to make that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
The film, sorry, does not suggest semi international
production location.
Have you in with finches, ohGod.
But even if it just a veryspecific and demanding shooting
style on his crew and cast, Ifind it hard to believe this
went above 120 million.
Personally, you looking at theyeah, okay, they're talking here
about the inflation, of course.
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I mean the world is so muchmore expensive nowadays.
100 million now is not the sameas 100 million four years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Bro, I can't believe that that costs that much,
really, apparently.
So I see people makeoutstanding stuff on like tick
tock and Instagram on like 50bucks.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's not that good.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I've seen some good ones.
I don't mean just the stupidones of just like some Instagram
model just dancing, I mean likeactual short films.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, killer budget, here we go.
Let's have a look.
Did the microphone catch thatup?
It's going to stay in the edit.
You know that right.
Yeah probably beautiful.
I'm going to emphasize a littlebit.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So just shake the screen or something.
I dropped the base.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Okay, so the killer budget is estimated to be around
$100 million.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
US.
That's messed up.
That is messed up.
Yeah, I will say you know whatthe killer reminds me of the
Incredibles.
Yeah, wait for it, wait for it.
So you know, in the Incredibles, when there's a moment where
the family is tied up orwhatever, and syndrome the main
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villain, he goes off on amassive tangent about what his
big master plan is and he'sgoing to do this and that, and
then one of the heroes almostwax him and he stops him with
his powers and he's like oh myGod, you caught me monologuing.
There were so many moments inthe killer where I was like just
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wrap it up, wrap up thatmonologue.
Like just shoot them, shootthem now, get going.
Like just get on with it,assassinate this person already.
Like they're talking about amonologue that I just don't care
about, that I just want to seeend.
One monologue is just brilliant.
Yeah, which one In therestaurant.
What is brilliant about thismonologue?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It has a good message underneath, but it's just fun
to listen to.
It's like the hunter goes tothe woods, finds the bear, tries
to shoot the bear and misses,and the bear's like it's my turn
now.
I can either kill you orsodomize you.
The hunt of you, remember thatone, right?
So the hunter obviously chooseslife, comes back the next day
with a bigger rifle, shootsagain, misses the bear and the
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bear is like you know the dealAgain sodomize.
Next day it comes back with abazooka, shoots the bear, smoke.
Bear is gone.
Bear shows up behind him.
I don't think you're here forthe hunt, he's here to be
sodomized, right?
So it has a strong messagefront underneath.
It's like a hint to what thetrue motive is, or at least what
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the other assassin says to themain, to Michael, right so,
which is you're not here for thehunt, You're here for something
else, right?
So what specifically?
I can't figure out.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That's the funny part , is we never, ever find out
what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, yeah, it's not, no, it's not clear, but there
is something there.
I just got to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Just watch the movie a couple more times, eventually
we'll get there.
I just might Good luck withthat.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Once at a cinema, once at home.
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You would make it in the cinema, Bro, I honestly,
like tonight, I feel like I'mgoing to have like a bit of
trouble sleeping tonight, so I'mgoing to put the movie on on my
phone on my bedside table.
I'll be out like a light Soon.
As I hear Michael Fassbender'svoice, I'm probably going to
start.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's a very soothing voice, it is.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, it's a very soothing voice.
That's not a knock on him, justgood delivery.
If I actually try to watch it,I'll be asleep in the first 15
minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But, speaking of his narration, you got to give
credit to the first act.
The first act, the wholesequence of him being in Paris,
I mean I know it's freakingalmost 40 minutes, right, it's
like.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think it's like 30, 30 minutes, 35 minutes before
we finally take the shot thatcould have been done in a
shorter period of time.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Again, depends on the style of movie you want to go
for.
If you're going for action, yes, 100%, you could shorten it.
You can make it like cool, buthe's there, boom, shoot, misses
and he runs and he becomes thehunted.
Yeah, but like 40 minutes man40 minutes.
It's about the killer.
It's not about the killingRight, it's about his process.
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It's about the tedious extogether.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm saying that you could still build up that
suspense just without it havingto be that long.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Again, you could send an end man up forget that,
that's as hard.
I mean no, you can makeeverything faster, Because every
movie there's so much you cancut out, it's a whole storyline.
But the whole point of thismovie is to see the tedious
process of him doing his job.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, but don't you find it funny that a movie like
central purpose is to entertainand provide escapism, and it's
like this movie's whole thing iswe're going to provide you with
the tedium, the monotony, theboredom of what it's like to
actually be a killer.
You don't find it funny?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Look, I get what you mean A hundred percent.
I do.
But I still got to give creditfor it Because I thought even
though it was such a long, longfirst act, it was still
brilliant.
It didn't feel like 35, 40minutes it did to me.
I was, you enjoyed it.
What are you talking about?
Afterwards you can speed it upa little bit and stay slow, I
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agree.
After that you can startspeeding up.
The intro is always slow.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
It introduces a whole character, a whole movie about
40 minutes for a first act.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't know, it's the style of the movie and I
don't mind it.
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
All right, we're done here.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
See you later, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
In conclusion, I think I would give the killer
two and a half out of five stars.
Not my cup of tea.
Personally, if you're a fan ofDavid Fincher movies, there's so
many other films that you couldwatch Fight Club, seven, gone
Girl, social Network, fantasticmovies, ripley's Game I'm pretty
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sure that was David Fincher.
Yes, that's a good movie aswell.
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I can't wait for you to watch Benjamin Button Curious
case.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
There's no way I'm watching it now.
You already told me it's boringas fuck.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
David Fincher.
Come on, you love David Fincher, you should try it.
Well, even my favoritedirectors have at least one or
two movies.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You know what movie is about?
Yeah, it's a dude.
That's like an old man as ababy and then he becomes young
and I guess a young fetus by theend of the movie.
Yeah, does it ray wind?
And he goes back up into theroom.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't remember been such long times as I watched it
, but I remember it came out atthe same time as yes man, kim
carries you.
I love you, yes man.
And I didn't know what watchBenjamin Button.
And my mom went to see yes manwith me and she was like a
halfway, like the movie's solong yet yes man finished and
then Benjamin Button, because inthe Netherlands, in Europe, you
have intermissions, it's notlike he's have to sit throughout
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for an hour movie in one go.
You have intermission.
By the time yes man finishedthey went on break on
intervention, so he just went inand watch a second half.
My mom was like thank you sofucking much for forcing me
towards yes man.
This sucks.
I was like 13 or something 14you must have been so bored, I
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didn't mind it that much.
Oh I don't mind slope, I reallydon't mind slow bones.
I mean like, look, if someonegoes out of his way to spend a
hundred million bucks or more ona movie and Get a cast and crew
who devote an entire year, ifnot more, to put so much work in
, to put a project of this sizeand Spread all around the world,
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I feel okay.
At least I can do is try tofind a good in it.
You know what I mean.
Like if people eating a dishand this must be something good
tasting about it- like the room.
It's a cult classic for a reason.
Oh, hi, mark.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Hi doggy.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, so yeah, yeah, what did I give it?
Two and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I give it two and a half stars.
I think the killer it's not mycup of tea personally, but if
you like David Fincher, I feellike there's other Projects he's
made that are much better.
Yeah, it's a slow burn, it's.
It's not for people that like afaster paced kind of
psychological thriller Evenmovies like seven of much faster
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pace.
It's not for everyone.
If you appreciate Michael fastbender, you enjoy his
captivating performance and,yeah, there's like two or three
highlight moments of this.
I feel there's some greatediting choices and stylish
Creative choices that I reallyliked.
And if you're a Smiths fan, theentire soundtrack is just
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Smith's songs, so that's prettycool too.
Addie, your final words on, oryour final rating on, the killer
?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I would say I would give it a three point seven,
three point eight out of five.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
We're not doing that.
It's either three point five ora four.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'm in between three because I'm looking at the seven
half out of ten.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
No, you got to do.
You got to do out of five.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Three point five is too low and a four is too high.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't know come on my show and you fuck up my
rating system.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's how I do, man.
I'm a rebel.
3.5.
I'll give it no, no, no, I'mgiving it a full.
I'm giving it a full.
I'm letting myself be.
I'm doubting myself becauseyou're shitting on it and I
respect your views of movies.
That's usually how it is.
Yes, you do okay, no, I wouldgive it a fork.
I thought there's so manyunderrated parts of the movie,
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such as the whole movies fromMichael Fassbender's characters
perspective, and I thought theydid it brilliantly every time,
the way the camera works, frombeing extremely stillness from
when he's in control To acomplete, shaky or out of
control camera when his life isunstable.
So everything and there's somany things they use the lights
and everything is from hisperspective and I thought that
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was done brilliantly, a big partof it.
Again, you gave the very goodinsight to his journey and I
thought David Fincher did thatBrilliant, brilliantly.
Even though it is slow andtedious.
His life and his process of howhe does what he does is slow
and tedious and I thought thatwas captivating.
I thought really well done.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well then you'll love the killer to sequel, which
will come out in a year's time.
It's called the killer does histaxes and it's gonna be
phenomenal.
It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, count, oh it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
He's gonna, before he assassinate someone, he's gonna
do his taxes, then he's gonnado his target's taxes and then
he won't kill anyone and you'lljust be like When's he gonna
finish filing the taxes?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So gonna cut this out .
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Why I think it's hilarious.
All right, guys, if you enjoyedthe show, please like, share
and subscribe for more contentlike this, and if you enjoyed
the killer or you didn't enjoyit, comment below and share your
thoughts on the killer.
That's it for us, guys.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's so much enthusiasm.
Thank you for watching.
Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of
movies worth seeing.
I'm joined by Addy.
Asia Ashua sounds like aNigerian.
Today we are talking about thekiller, the killer, not the
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killers, just singular thekiller.
Such an exciting title wastedon such a boring movie.
I Can't believe it.
I actually said to Addy at onepoint I took a couple of days
off work just trying toconstantly Finish this because
Addy came to my place to watchit.
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I fell asleep.
He had to leave and it actuallydelayed the whole podcast
production schedule.
This movie, that all up, not methis movie, because if this
movie was more interesting Iwould have gotten it done, and
that's the review.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I love the movie.
Man, I don't know what yourproblem is.
It's slow, it's tedious, sure,whatever, but it's tense and
it's such a good story aboutthis guy's psychological journey
.
It's a good movie.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I actually said to you at one point, I'd rather
watch a dog, a constipated dog,trying to take it.
For a second this movie because,in a similar way, you're seeing
the dog and you're like youknow You've got to come out at
some point, but it just doesn'tcome out.
And then you're like you startscreaming at the dog like come
(01:44):
on, just come on, let it go, andit just doesn't happen.
Man, and that's what it feltlike watching this movie in the
first like 10, 15 minutes.
You know exactly what kind ofventure, what kind of
entertainment you're in for, asMichael fastbender Doesn't even
kill that many people in thismovie.
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If anything, this film shouldbe called how to plan to
eventually Anticipate and becomea killer.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's called the killer, doesn't call the killing
.
It's about the killer.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
It's about the person himself who is the killer
that's like being like I want tothe movie the plumber and all
you see is him.
Feeling out his Google calendarfor all of his plumbing
appointments bug on the bunnies.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's pretty much what this movie is like.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I want to see the president right but instead of
watching the president do thecool shit like you know, going
out to strip clubs and wasting aton of money or like about to
press the bomb- Send a new newsor that cool stuff.
Instead, you're seeing thepresident argue with his wife
about, like, what TV show towatch, or Watching him wipe his
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with like five hundred dollarbills or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Look, I get what you're saying, but we're not
seeing him taking it.
We're not seeing this guy.
I think we're getting close.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Because we see him sitting in a shower at one point
and there was a moment where Iwas like is he gonna get up from
the shower and just go for asneaky like post shower?
Because it's a shower, but yougo for a post shower, then it's
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so bad you have to go foranother Jesus it's not like you
see him taking it.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
It is not like you see.
It's not like you see me in thenews, read a newspaper, I argue
with his wife or anything likethat.
Every scene you see him dosomething that seems not related
whatsoever.
It is so related because it'sall what's it called preparation
for his next mission, in a way.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I guess it's kind of like played the hitman games no
hitman, where you're.
Yeah and you go around indisguise games.
I know the game I haven't playedit, okay but you know the idea
of like you're given a targetand you're given this, the
certain area to work in thisplayground essentially this
digital playground and you haveto find a way to kill the target
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but make it look like anaccident, and that's the whole
game.
If you want to, you can just goup to the target and shoot them
, but you'll have to deal withthe consequences after.
So this movie is kind of likewatching someone play hitman but
never actually pulled thetrigger.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
But it pulled the trigger so many times.
Yeah, but it takes forever.
Yeah, because they make itrealistic, like in the hitman
games.
I'm it's a game.
So they made it a lot easier.
They gave you the answers like,oh, walk there, press X, walk
there, press a.
I was like, oh, look at thatoption, look at that option.
It's not like here you havelike 10,000 options because it's
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reality.
You know what I mean.
It's not a game, it's a prettyprogrammed what you're gonna do.
So in here it's just like yousee every just tedious process
of how this works.
You see every tedious task thatis required for his process to
work.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Why does anyone want to watch tedium?
Why does anyone say I want towatch a movie where the
character is monotonous and dulland boring?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, because it's high stakes that are with it.
It's like you root for this guyas well to get his revenge.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Do you, though, because we don't know why he
wants revenge in this movie.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, I agree with that point.
That's not the strongest point.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, the plot is we're introduced to like a house
cleaner or someone that getskilled.
No, she gets wounded.
And this serial killer, thisassassin that we think is kind
of like a robot he has noemotions or sympathy actually
then goes out to avenge hergetting attacked and hilarity
(06:08):
ensues.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's very, went to the toilet.
Yeah, no, I agree, therelationship between him and the
girl, it's not that it's notset up very well and therefore
the ending is very confusing aswell.
Totally, I agree, that bit isjust his motive for why he's in
what he's doing.
That bit, I feel, wasn'tfleshed out enough.
But the process of what he'sdoing, I feel that's the main
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point, it's the main journey,the process of doing what needs
to be done.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
If the process is fun and interesting.
That can work Like when youwatch the disaster artists and
you watch the process of themmaking a movie.
It's fun watching that process.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Look, I get what you mean and that they'll get me
wrong.
I feel like they could havemade it more interesting.
Good, if 100 percent, but Istill don't want to take it away
that just the tension of thewhole movie.
It's like you're just waitingthere with him.
When is he going to take thatswift action?
You're just waiting for it,yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Look, I don't want to tear the movie apart completely
, like, yes, it was dull andkind of slow, but Michael
fastbender is good.
Yeah, michael fastbender isgood.
But when isn't he good?
I mean even a movie likeAssassin's Creed.
He looks good in it.
That's some serious talent andthat was maybe so we know that
Michael fastbender is going todeliver.
(07:22):
I mean crap, you could justfilm the guy's face, just his
eyes, just what they did for thekiller which is essentially
what most of this movie is.
It's just the camera, like screwit, we don't need a background,
just film his face.
There's lots of times where thecamera is just close up on his
face and all you're just seeingis like his eyes just zoning in
(07:43):
on someone or like he's gettinglike that single T action where
you don't know if he's liketeary because he's happy or sad
or what's going on, but it'sawesome.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
His stillness is just so magnetic, especially in the
restaurant scene.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It was almost slipping into it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It's just thinking of the movie.
Force makes you fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Just thinking about it makes me fall asleep.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Look the restaurant scene.
It's, you were saying to mebefore.
It's the restaurant scene isjust so slow and so tedious, it
could be cut in half and it'sstill have the same information.
Yeah, I agree and disagree atthe same time.
It's like I agree, you'retotally right, but disagree
because you needed to understandhis character more, understand
his conversations, understandhis interaction to others,
especially someone from his ownleague.
(08:25):
Really that someone thatmatches his level kind of thing.
That conversation, that tension, I feel punches a lot of the
movie, a lot about his character.
But his stillness, he just sitsthere in the dark, the
silhouette, and you just see hiseyes glittering and just like
and it just speaks so much.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
That's true.
I feel like every actor shouldstudy this movie for Michael
Fastbender's performance and tocement that.
The importance of just subtlety, some subtle eye movements,
every nuance, everything thatMichael Fastbender does.
(09:03):
Nothing is wasted in any of hisstillness, any of his movements
, Everything has a purpose.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
And as well as that, there is barely any dialogue.
He barely speaks throughout thewhole movie.
Well, except the voice of thenarration A lot of voiceover,
but it's just his thoughts.
He's narrating us through thestory, but actual dialogue,
there's barely any dialogue.
And everything he says tosomeone, it's so meaningful In a
sense, not like oh my God, it'smeaningful, but more of like
(09:33):
shit.
It means something.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, it has that tone that it's meaningful.
So he could just say anythingand it would still.
Oh my God.
I took a kite to the parkyesterday and I wondered how
long would this wind blow?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
God damn, you're making a good point.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like that delivery.
That doesn't matter what hesays, you're just like wow, man,
I got to reevaluate my wholelife because I'm thinking about
kites now.
There's no better feeling thanwhen you convince someone of
your point when it comes tomovies, like if I was talking
about politics or anything elsewouldn't give a shit, but if I
get someone to join my side whenit comes to movies, I feel I've
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made a difference in the world.
So, getting back to the killer,directed by David Fincher,
stars Michael Farspender.
You know we've talked aboutMichael Farspender's performance
, his presence, his captivating.
One of the things I loved aboutthe killer was the voiceover
narration.
It reminded me of Netflix showslike you, where you really get
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a good insight into thecharacter.
As I said, he's got thattonality, that delivery that
just makes everythinginteresting.
Even if he was describing aturd, you'd be like just tell me
more.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Very similar to Patrick Bateman.
Yes, from American Psycho.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And we were kind of talking about this before this
that Patrick Bateman's voiceovernarration is more quotable,
more memorable, because youcould take it out of the movie
and apply it to different things, because he's talking about pop
culture, Whereas in this it'scircumstantial.
It's circumstantial to the plot.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You take it out and you say there's a one-liner to
someone.
To be like what?
Yeah, Like, stop fucking saying.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Whereas I could just go into a Patrick Bateman
monologue while we're talkingabout music and you wouldn't
even Give me a one-liner.
You heard the new Huey Lewis.
What Huey.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Lewis, that didn't work.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, do you like Phil Collins?
That's it, that's it.
Everyone knows.
When you say do you like PhilCollins, that's American Psycho.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Look, I agree that there's slow entities in bits
100%.
But I feel that point of thewhole movie, or a big aspect of
it, is he is being tested.
Michael Fastbander doesn't havea name because he has seven
different fake names in a movieand you don't know what his
actual name is.
He's getting tested for hispatients, right.
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His mantra is Anticipate.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Anticipate, don't improvise.
How do you forget that?
He says it 10 million times?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I don't know.
Anticipate on improvising.
You want him to improvisebecause he's given so many
opportunities to act, to make itan action film, to make it a
high-paced boom.
Alright, there she is, boom,shoot.
He could have shot a certainperson instantly, straight up
the bat.
He could have, but he alwaysreminds himself don't improvise,
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anticipate on, improvise right.
So his patience being testedand more passionate becomes
about why he needs to kill thisperson or why he needs to do
what he needs to do again.
We wanted to improvise, but hedoesn't.
He wants to improvise as wellbecause you see the desire to
just get that revenge, but thenhe holds back anyway.
And then every time he does endup improvising, for example,
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halfway through that fightingscene where he grabs that cheese
crater it's like every time heimprovises, it goes sideways, it
goes wrong, it doesn't work,right.
So whereas when you stick tohis foundation, which is, again,
do not improvise, anticipate itworks, except for the very
beginning, where this has neverhappened before it's funny
(13:18):
because when we talked aboutthis before, I was saying to you
don't improvise.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
That sounds stupid.
Why would a highly professionalassassin not improvise?
Like you don't know what'sgonna happen when you try to
sniper someone from across astreet.
What if they go to the bathroomor they start vomiting?
They get sick like anythingcould happen.
What if they close the curtainsbefore you realize?
Or SWAT team rush into theirhouse because they've got
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cocaine?
Like you got to improvise.
I know that and I'm not anassassin.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I mean there's always room for improvisation, like
you have to right again, it'snot.
So.
This better than improvise.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
It's anticipate and try to not improvise as much as
you get yeah, which wouldn'thave sounded as good in the
movie, like the killer improve,try to improvise anticipate,
don't improvise so much, try andimprovise a little, but not too
much, and gets into a fight inthe public bathroom.
(14:22):
He's like ah, throw a turn,grab toilet paper to tie the guy
up bam, elbow to the face.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
That's a way.
I suppose that would have beenfun.
It's a way to go.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's shameful.
Speaking of fights, the fightscene in this was beautiful
surprised out of me because Ihonestly thought I've
accidentally nudged the theremote and change channels or
something, john Wick.
I thought I was watching JohnWick I was like whoa, whoa, whoa
, wait a second.
This movie's actually gotsomething happening.
(15:02):
It's interesting now, like for50 minutes nothing was going on
and all of a sudden there's it'sshifting into a whole other
gear.
I'm like did David Fincherleave the directing chair and
and Michael Bay stepped in?
What?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
happened.
I love that.
You loved it so much.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But the first time we tried to watch the movie
downstairs is you slept througha whole fight scene because the
lead up to the fight scene, youkept being like it's coming, man
, it's coming, there's lots ofaction coming.
There's a lot of action comingagain.
It's a whole tedious process toset up that moment and you're
gonna have to like all I wasseeing was just him walking like
from one end of the hall toanother for like ages and ages,
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and I was seeing him talk to adog.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay, look let's say this though nowadays, with a lot
of the movies that are justcomplete rubbish, complete
garbage, it's a little bit ofset up and a lot of payoff, and
because there's so much pay off,there's a lot of the payoff
that's never been set up andyou're like that's so fucking
shit cuz I don't even know whatthey could have done.
That, yeah, they could havedone that like they come up with
so many ways how they couldhave killed Thanos in the first
(16:05):
five minutes and man could just,like real tiny, go up the bomb,
explode him.
So simple.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know there's so many ways you can just justify
to anything Thanos would feeland man going up his though.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I mean, and man can go real small like oh so he goes
like quantum level yeah yeah,that's a good point.
I mean there's something likethis how many things that people
say that's okay.
They could have done it likethat.
I mean, what if captain Marvelput on the glove instead of
freaking Iron man, and then TonyStark would have still been
alive?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
bro, people would have been pissed.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I love the movie.
I thought it was the bestMarvel movie you'll get and I
think that's the peak andthey're never gonna match it
again.
But again there's so muchpayoff with such little setup
and it just doesn't match.
Whereas with this movie with akiller, it is so much setup and
such little payoff but the payoff is paid off like you could
not find any other justificationfor it.
You could not find and just ahole in the reason why he
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couldn't do it any other way,like everything is justified.
That's a bit I love, becauseyou can't find a hole in it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I'm sorry, but I'm stuck on this image of a man
shrinking down to quantum like.
Can you imagine just the sceneof the superheroes explaining to
him being like a man, you haveto shrink yourself down and
enter Thanos's or maybe hisurethra, whatever you prefer why
(17:29):
do you go up the front?
just go in his mouth something,just go to his mouth and then
yeah, but like I, just thinkthat would be a hilarious scene
of like all the superheroesbeing like and man, we choose
you to be the one we choose youand then a man's just like why
doesn't someone else wear thesuit?
And they shrink down andthey're like no, no, no, you
need to do it.
You need to go up that ass,because we know that you're
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prepared for what Thanos's asswill take.
And then they take over the teamand then like, after all this
mental preparation, he goes upthat ass, that purple ass.
And well, he's purple.
He goes up the ass, and thenThanos, just straight away, is
(18:17):
like, hmm, something's not right.
And then it's like, maybethat's a deleted scene that they
(18:38):
just didn't put it in the finalproduct, but it's out there.
Yeah, maybe this is like atriple X version.
How's that?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Oh, I don't want to think about that.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Another thing that was really interesting about the
killer was and you brought thisup to me that they use CGI
backgrounds for like driving andtrain shots and stuff like that
, and I feel like once you toldme about it, I couldn't stop
noticing it.
And then you were telling melike oh, and I was starting to
notice it and be like, wow, thisis kind of bad, Like it's
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obvious.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Again, I gotta say it's your TV though.
Yeah, but you said my TV is toogood.
Your TV is too good, like Idon't know.
You see them 60 frames orsomething like that.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I don't know, but most people have.
Especially nowadays, mostpeople have those type of TVs.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't the similar doesn't In the cinema.
You just see the 24 frames asecond, I'm pretty sure and you
don't notice it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, but like 4K is becoming more popular, so for
that to be like in a modern film, I don't know.
I feel like they would noticethese things when they're
editing.
Wouldn't they be editing thefilm on like a 4K kind of
computer?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Oh, dude, they're so.
Wouldn't it be obvious to them?
Six or eight K?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
All I know is when you watch this maybe now after
hearing us talk about it, you'llnotice it more, which is what
happened to me.
Thanks, addy, so welcome.
You feel like watching.
You're watching those old 90scartoon, like those old 90s
sitcoms where whenever they'rein a car, it's super obvious
that they're in like a studio,with like a blue screen or green
(20:26):
screen background and it's justlike stock footage.
That's kind of what it feltlike, just a bit better, but
still.
Yeah, like a little obviousobviously a little bit better,
but it's the main bit where Isaw.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
The CGI was not as much that bit.
It's the planes.
Every time you had like askyline and we're going down,
it's like you see the planeflying, every skyline shot you
had.
You see a plane flying by andor even to.
It's like it's so clearly CGIthat's just like put in.
This is like stock image withthe plane coming by.
It's like that was justobviously fake.
That's what threw me off themost.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And this wasn't like a huge, like box office kind of
movie, like with a huge budget.
What was the budget for?
Do you know?
Look it up.
I mean it's definitely not.
I'm so used to looking upbudget on Marvel movies that
Thanks for spitting.
Yeah, that's what you get.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
You like the killer huh Copy Killer budget.
Let's have a look 175 millionReally Are you for real.
That's what it says here.
I mean it's reddit.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
They paid 175 million to make that.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
The film, sorry, does not suggest semi international
production location.
Have you in with finches, ohGod.
But even if it just a veryspecific and demanding shooting
style on his crew and cast, Ifind it hard to believe this
went above 120 million.
Personally, you looking at theyeah, okay, they're talking here
about the inflation, of course.
(22:00):
I mean the world is so muchmore expensive nowadays.
100 million now is not the sameas 100 million four years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Bro, I can't believe that that costs that much,
really, apparently.
So I see people makeoutstanding stuff on like tick
tock and Instagram on like 50bucks.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
It's not that good.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I've seen some good ones.
I don't mean just the stupidones of just like some Instagram
model just dancing, I mean likeactual short films.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, killer budget, here we go.
Let's have a look.
Did the microphone catch thatup?
It's going to stay in the edit.
You know that right.
Yeah probably beautiful.
I'm going to emphasize a littlebit.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
So just shake the screen or something.
I dropped the base.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Okay, so the killer budget is estimated to be around
$100 million.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
US.
That's messed up.
That is messed up.
Yeah, I will say you know whatthe killer reminds me of the
Incredibles.
Yeah, wait for it, wait for it.
So you know, in the Incredibles, when there's a moment where
the family is tied up orwhatever, and syndrome the main
(23:24):
villain, he goes off on amassive tangent about what his
big master plan is and he'sgoing to do this and that, and
then one of the heroes almostwax him and he stops him with
his powers and he's like oh myGod, you caught me monologuing.
There were so many moments inthe killer where I was like just
(23:44):
wrap it up, wrap up thatmonologue.
Like just shoot them, shootthem now, get going.
Like just get on with it,assassinate this person already.
Like they're talking about amonologue that I just don't care
about, that I just want to seeend.
One monologue is just brilliant.
Yeah, which one In therestaurant.
What is brilliant about thismonologue?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
It has a good message underneath, but it's just fun
to listen to.
It's like the hunter goes tothe woods, finds the bear, tries
to shoot the bear and misses,and the bear's like it's my turn
now.
I can either kill you orsodomize you.
The hunt of you, remember thatone, right?
So the hunter obviously chooseslife, comes back the next day
with a bigger rifle, shootsagain, misses the bear and the
(24:30):
bear is like you know the dealAgain sodomize.
Next day it comes back with abazooka, shoots the bear, smoke.
Bear is gone.
Bear shows up behind him.
I don't think you're here forthe hunt, he's here to be
sodomized, right?
So it has a strong messagefront underneath.
It's like a hint to what thetrue motive is, or at least what
(24:54):
the other assassin says to themain, to Michael, right so,
which is you're not here for thehunt, You're here for something
else, right?
So what specifically?
I can't figure out.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That's the funny part , is we never, ever find out
what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Well, yeah, it's not, no, it's not clear, but there
is something there.
I just got to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Just watch the movie a couple more times, eventually
we'll get there.
I just might Good luck withthat.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Once at a cinema, once at home.
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You would make it in the cinema, Bro, I honestly,
like tonight, I feel like I'mgoing to have like a bit of
trouble sleeping tonight, so I'mgoing to put the movie on on my
phone on my bedside table.
I'll be out like a light Soon.
As I hear Michael Fassbender'svoice, I'm probably going to
start.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's a very soothing voice, it is.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, it's a very soothing voice.
That's not a knock on him, justgood delivery.
If I actually try to watch it,I'll be asleep in the first 15
minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But, speaking of his narration, you got to give
credit to the first act.
The first act, the wholesequence of him being in Paris,
I mean I know it's freakingalmost 40 minutes, right, it's
like.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I think it's like 30, 30 minutes, 35 minutes before
we finally take the shot thatcould have been done in a
shorter period of time.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Again, depends on the style of movie you want to go
for.
If you're going for action, yes, 100%, you could shorten it.
You can make it like cool, buthe's there, boom, shoot, misses
and he runs and he becomes thehunted.
Yeah, but like 40 minutes man40 minutes.
It's about the killer.
It's not about the killingRight, it's about his process.
(26:34):
It's about the tedious extogether.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I'm saying that you could still build up that
suspense just without it havingto be that long.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Again, you could send an end man up forget that,
that's as hard.
I mean no, you can makeeverything faster, Because every
movie there's so much you cancut out, it's a whole storyline.
But the whole point of thismovie is to see the tedious
process of him doing his job.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, but don't you find it funny that a movie like
central purpose is to entertainand provide escapism, and it's
like this movie's whole thing iswe're going to provide you with
the tedium, the monotony, theboredom of what it's like to
actually be a killer.
You don't find it funny?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Look, I get what you mean A hundred percent.
I do.
But I still got to give creditfor it Because I thought even
though it was such a long, longfirst act, it was still
brilliant.
It didn't feel like 35, 40minutes it did to me.
I was, you enjoyed it.
What are you talking about?
Afterwards you can speed it upa little bit and stay slow, I
(27:44):
agree.
After that you can startspeeding up.
The intro is always slow.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
It introduces a whole character, a whole movie about
40 minutes for a first act.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
I don't know, it's the style of the movie and I
don't mind it.
I liked it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
All right, we're done here.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
See you later, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
In conclusion, I think I would give the killer
two and a half out of five stars.
Not my cup of tea.
Personally, if you're a fan ofDavid Fincher movies, there's so
many other films that you couldwatch Fight Club, seven, gone
Girl, social Network, fantasticmovies, ripley's Game I'm pretty
(28:22):
sure that was David Fincher.
Yes, that's a good movie aswell.
Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I can't wait for you to watch Benjamin Button Curious
case.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
There's no way I'm watching it now.
You already told me it's boringas fuck.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
David Fincher.
Come on, you love David Fincher, you should try it.
Well, even my favoritedirectors have at least one or
two movies.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You know what movie is about?
Yeah, it's a dude.
That's like an old man as ababy and then he becomes young
and I guess a young fetus by theend of the movie.
Yeah, does it ray wind?
And he goes back up into theroom.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I don't remember been such long times as I watched it
, but I remember it came out atthe same time as yes man, kim
carries you.
I love you, yes man.
And I didn't know what watchBenjamin Button.
And my mom went to see yes manwith me and she was like a
halfway, like the movie's solong yet yes man finished and
then Benjamin Button, because inthe Netherlands, in Europe, you
have intermissions, it's notlike he's have to sit throughout
(29:16):
for an hour movie in one go.
You have intermission.
By the time yes man finishedthey went on break on
intervention, so he just went inand watch a second half.
My mom was like thank you sofucking much for forcing me
towards yes man.
This sucks.
I was like 13 or something 14you must have been so bored, I
(29:38):
didn't mind it that much.
Oh I don't mind slope, I reallydon't mind slow bones.
I mean like, look, if someonegoes out of his way to spend a
hundred million bucks or more ona movie and Get a cast and crew
who devote an entire year, ifnot more, to put so much work in
, to put a project of this sizeand Spread all around the world,
(29:59):
I feel okay.
At least I can do is try tofind a good in it.
You know what I mean.
Like if people eating a dishand this must be something good
tasting about it- like the room.
It's a cult classic for a reason.
Oh, hi, mark.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Hi doggy.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, so yeah, yeah, what did I give it?
Two and a half.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, I give it two and a half stars.
I think the killer it's not mycup of tea personally, but if
you like David Fincher, I feellike there's other Projects he's
made that are much better.
Yeah, it's a slow burn, it's.
It's not for people that like afaster paced kind of
psychological thriller Evenmovies like seven of much faster
(30:44):
pace.
It's not for everyone.
If you appreciate Michael fastbender, you enjoy his
captivating performance and,yeah, there's like two or three
highlight moments of this.
I feel there's some greatediting choices and stylish
Creative choices that I reallyliked.
And if you're a Smiths fan, theentire soundtrack is just
(31:05):
Smith's songs, so that's prettycool too.
Addie, your final words on, oryour final rating on, the killer
?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I would say I would give it a three point seven,
three point eight out of five.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
We're not doing that.
It's either three point five ora four.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'm in between three because I'm looking at the seven
half out of ten.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
No, you got to do.
You got to do out of five.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Three point five is too low and a four is too high.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't know come on my show and you fuck up my
rating system.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's how I do, man.
I'm a rebel.
3.5.
I'll give it no, no, no, I'mgiving it a full.
I'm giving it a full.
I'm letting myself be.
I'm doubting myself becauseyou're shitting on it and I
respect your views of movies.
That's usually how it is.
Yes, you do okay, no, I wouldgive it a fork.
I thought there's so manyunderrated parts of the movie,
(31:57):
such as the whole movies fromMichael Fassbender's characters
perspective, and I thought theydid it brilliantly every time,
the way the camera works, frombeing extremely stillness from
when he's in control To acomplete, shaky or out of
control camera when his life isunstable.
So everything and there's somany things they use the lights
and everything is from hisperspective and I thought that
(32:18):
was done brilliantly, a big partof it.
Again, you gave the very goodinsight to his journey and I
thought David Fincher did thatBrilliant, brilliantly.
Even though it is slow andtedious.
His life and his process of howhe does what he does is slow
and tedious and I thought thatwas captivating.
I thought really well done.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Well then you'll love the killer to sequel, which
will come out in a year's time.
It's called the killer does histaxes and it's gonna be
phenomenal.
It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, count, oh it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
He's gonna, before he assassinate someone, he's gonna
do his taxes, then he's gonnado his target's taxes and then
he won't kill anyone and you'lljust be like When's he gonna
finish filing the taxes?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So gonna cut this out .
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Why I think it's hilarious.
All right, guys, if you enjoyedthe show, please like, share
and subscribe for more contentlike this, and if you enjoyed
the killer or you didn't enjoyit, comment below and share your
thoughts on the killer.
That's it for us, guys.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's so much enthusiasm.
Thank you for watching.
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