January 11, 2024 • 46 mins
Ever wonder how a movie can make you laugh, grip your seat, and still leave you wanting more? Join us as we navigate the cinematic odyssey of 2023, where we dissect the year's silver screen spectacles, including the gravity-defying stunts of "Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Part 1." Our discussion veers through the Italian locations that left us awestruck, blending a rich tapestry of critique and nostalgia that only true film enthusiasts can appreciate. From the personal anecdotes tied to the locations to the challenge of distinguishing this year's gems from last, we promise an episode filled with insightful banter and a relentless quest for the movies that truly shine.
Imagine Tom Cruise scaling another skyscraper in his fifties. We chew over the "Mission Impossible" saga's future and its daredevil lead's career longevity, debating whether the franchise should stick to its spy thriller roots or continue upping the ante. We also can't help but muse on the parallels with other action giants, like the "Fast and Furious" series. But we don't stop there; animated wonders and the web-slinging excellence of "Across the Spider-Verse" are on the agenda too. We pick apart the narrative depth, moral dilemmas, and whether cameo appearances enhance or distract from the storytelling.
Let's not forget the punchlines and face-palms that movies can sometimes bring. We take a no-holds-barred approach to the cringe-inducing dialogues from the "Madame Webb" trailer, sparing no criticism for what looks to be 2024's potential popcorn fodder. From admiration for unexpected comebacks like Brendan Fraser's gripping performance in "The Whale," to the whimsical hopes for a bolder "Mario Brothers" sequel, we cover the highs, the lows, and the laugh-out-loud moments that make going to the movies—or just talking about them—a blast. So, settle in for a ride through the best, the worst, and everything in-between from the world of film in 2023.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of
Movies Worth Seeing.
I'm Michael Pishonery and Addyhas suddenly become Asian.
Funny how that goes.
I've been.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Addy.
This whole time it was all adream.
It's always been Addy.
My name is actually Addy and Ichanged ethnicities and only
until in the last two episodesthat I changed back to my real
skin yeah, and my hair andaccent and voice and everything,
and my height and my clothingand my personality there never
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was Tyler Durden.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You always were Tyler Durden, the whole time.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Sure, I wish I understood the reference you
never seen Fly Club.
No, I actually haven't.
Yeah, I actually haven'twatched Fly Club, for somehow,
oh God, there's a lot of movies.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I haven't watched.
Oh man, all right.
Anyway, jesus man, what a bombshow you just fucking dropped on
me.
Never seen Fly Club.
I had a whole routine that wasall based on Fly Club references
and you just fucked it all up,you want to see the whole list
of movies that I haven't watched.
(01:12):
It's that, screenshot that Isent you.
You know it's interesting.
Actually, when I looked up onRotten Tomatoes the best movies
of 2023, like all 100 of them Ihadn't seen, the only one I saw
was Barbie, which I don't knowhow that made it to the top 100.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's across the spider-verse and Mario movie.
Make that list that you werelooking at.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The Mario movie did not make that list because it
was based on.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What is this website?
It was based on critic reviews,not audiences.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So of course Mario couldn't be on there.
It was two mainstream.
Instead they had to put someFrench film called La Carrin
d'Algance.
Oh, yeah, it was theinternational like the foreign
films, yeah, the foreign filmsalways have to be number one.
Anyway, we are going to betalking about the best movies of
2023, which was really hardthis year, because every time I
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thought of a movie and wrote itdown in my notes, martin
reminded me that the movie cameout last year.
So I put Avatar 2, I put likepages of notes on Avatar 2.
And then he was like you know,that came out in 2022,.
Right, it's like we did agoddamn review of it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Don't you remember With me Luke Ages yourself?
You know, December, man, Comeon, I couldn't remember it.
You felt like a 2023 movie foryou.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It did, because it was so like right at the end of
the year, that I would have seenit in January, but that
happened twice.
There was another film that Idon't care.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm going to bring it up anyway because it was such a
good film, but anyway, let'sgive some praise Well whilst
you're at it, then you might aswell bring up Citizen Kane there
, you know, because that alsowas a great movie.
Oh yeah, I've also got.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Terminator 2, the Godfather Charlie Chaplin.
Oh yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The Three Stooges.
Bring up any Buster Keatonmovies here, you know, yeah,
because they're all good movies,let's group them into 2023,
just to wash this year.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
This year of shite, like Noah's Ark, like we were
just sailing in the distance ina sea of shit.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Hollywood just needs to clean slates and just like
wash away the sins of ourforefathers.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We need a tsunami to just fucking come and destroy
all the garbage.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, we promised, before the cameras were rolling,
that we would make this allpositive, that for every
positive, we wouldn't relate itto a negative event in 2023.
And, like so far, how are wedoing on that score?
My tally counter is already upto like the thousands of
something in terms of, like, howmuch negativity that we've
brought into an episode ofpositivity.
Okay, but we were endeavored tobring positivity into this
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episode.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
If you want to bring positivity back in to this
discussion, then let's startwith Mission Impossible.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Dead Reckoning Part 1 .
I was going to say Sound ofFreedom, but because that's such
a positive film.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh God, Can you say oh, I'm dark man.
Let's get to Mission Impossible.
I loved Mission Impossible.
Dead Reckoning Well, it's notthe strongest in the franchise.
It was a fun experience and thereal unique thing for me is
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that I watched it in Italy and alot of it was filmed in Italy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Did you also happen to go to the actual towns, like
the specific parts?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, did they have the Colosseum in?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
one of the car chases .
So was it mainly in Rome.
And did they go anywhere elsein Italy?
So it was mainly Rome, Italy.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, there's a scene that's in Dubai Airport.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Am I saying?
Isn't that the 2011 movie wherethey climbed the Burj Khalifa?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, but this one was set in Dubai as well, just
for the airport andcoincidentally I had to stop
over in Dubai to get to Italy.
So I got to see, I was like, ohmy God.
It was like when I went to theDubai airport I kept thinking to
myself, man, you know, I wouldmake this freaking airport
better if you just had TomCruise running through it and
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running on the rooftop and shit.
And lo and behold, I got to seethat in Mission Impossible,
dead Reckoning.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's actually not that far off from people
transiting at the Dubai airport,you know, because they have to
make it to the next flight.
It was a lot of running and soactually for us Aussies
traveling to Europe, yeah, dubaior Qatar is like the stopover
sort of airport, so it'sactually not too uncommon that
you'd be stopping over in theMiddle East and so on.
So did you watch the movieafter you had to transit via
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Dubai?
So that's when you saw, oh wow,like I was just there, like
sort of you had that moment,like I had that moment.
Me and my partner traveledthrough the oh, look, that's the
terminal that we just likewalked through.
They filmed there.
Yeah, pretty much it's likemonths ago, and then Tom Cruise
ran here.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Like we did the Roman Coliseum, like three days
before.
I saw the movie and was like,wow, it's all right there.
And then there's the SpanishSteps.
That was in the car chase.
The cars literally go down theSpanish Steps and I was like we
were just there today.
This is incredible.
I've never watched a moviebecause no one films movies in
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Sydney.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Sydney is like a cesspool of that's just avoided,
apart from Four Guys, which iscoming out with one of the
Ryan's, ryan's something.
What's his name?
The Handsome One, not Ryan Renn.
Gosling yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, they're both pretty handsome.
It's not like Ryan Reynolds isan ugly fuck, not that Ryan the
good looking one.
No, yeah, four Guys, yeah.
It's like saying like, oh, notthat Brad, the other, brad the
ugly Brad.
Which Brad?
Brad Pitt the good Chris?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The actual Handsome One, the muscular Chris, not the
dorky one yeah Movie.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But yeah, I'm glad to hear that you.
It's a good time to taste themen.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh well, you know, variety is the spice of life.
I don't discriminate againstany.
Okay, they're all good, youknow.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Nice, you mostly.
Yeah.
Anyhow, I'm engaged.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
We can't do this anymore Did you just reveal a
very big piece of information tothe public.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You want to maybe make public?
Oh to what?
Or four subscribers of ourchannel.
Come on man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Don't say yourself short.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
To all the 10 viewers , including my mom.
This is the first timeannouncing that I'm engaged.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, Bravo, where's the?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
applause sound first.
Yeah yeah, my fiance was like Iwhen I proposed.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
No, not me, Not me.
I'm not the fiance.
No, not you.
We're not announcing ourengagement.
Spoiler alert it's not modern.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
We're not trying to pull off a plot twist.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Let's go bloody ink Like marry someone else.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yes, hate to offend or, no, disappoint the gay
community, but I am not gay.
But yeah, I proposed to mypartner and she thought to
herself I've always wanted tomarry a struggling YouTuber.
So of course I'll say yes,really, you got.
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I gotta stop talking shit aboutmyself.
And the self-deprecation isstrong in this one.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Another negativity in an episode about positivity.
Anyway, yes, I'm glad youenjoyed that movie, but
apparently it didn't do thenumbers.
Yes, I've always got to bringin the whole like glass, half
empty aspect into it, butapparently because of the whole
competing with Oppenheimer forIMAX screenings, it had a
limited IMAX screenings whichmeant that they couldn't rake in
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as much box office numbers asTom Cruise would have wanted.
So initially he was a bitpissed off about that, but then
it was okay with it afterwards.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But it didn't do as well financially.
He probably wasn't going toshow it in interviews and shit
and be like no, I'm fuckingpopping.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm a shit, yeah, but behind the scenes he really was
like trying to push for that.
Yeah, I remember it was likeHollywood report and variety and
stuff and like I think, pissedoff about Barbie.
Well, I don't know if pissedoff, but like the pressure was
on to really rake in the profitsand the box office numbers.
I think, especially whenCo-Sing along with the momentum
of Top Gun Maverick, that hereally wanted like two back to
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back like big hitters.
That's under the Tom Cruisemoniker.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Don't they look at the release date schedule and go
?
That's also true, like becauseoutside of Barbenheimer there
wasn't any like major bigreleases that could steal the
spotlight.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I think people are saying that technically,
Barbenheimer aren't like on adefinition basis, they're not
considered as like summerblockbusters, Like they're still
big releases in their ownrights.
But yeah, it's like a case ofcannibalized sort of sales
season and it's kind of like ohwait, I should be reserving for
this for the next episode.
But it's kind of okay.
(10:08):
I'll use another analogy ratherthan a movie.
Do you remember a video gamecalled Final Fantasy 16?
It came out this year.
And even though it was a goodgame, the problem was that it
was releasing very close to likeother big hitters like Tears of
the Kingdom and whatever elsealso came out around that
mid-year May, june sort of timeperiod, and so you can have a
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very good movie like MissionImpossible, dead Reckoning part
one, but it's kind of just hasits oxygen sucked out by like
all the other like biggerhitters.
So yeah, that's what I'm sayingit's like.
So I'm sure if it was releasedsome other time it would have
like made the big numbers likethe previous Mission Impossible
did.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Dude, now would have been an awesome time to release
it, because there is nothing towatch.
I'm not watching Aquaman 2.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
There's no rush to have to release it now.
It's like you can just put iton the shelf and release it some
other time, like maybe duringan off-peak season.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think they already had it on the shelf for a while
because of COVID.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Ah, and that's where he had the whole like shouting
at the crew, with the whole likesocial distancing and stuff,
wasn't it?
Yeah, where he got really angry.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't know if it was this movie, but yeah, he
wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay.
So yeah, that begs the questionwhy did they have to release it
so weeks before Barbenheimer,just to have you know it's box
office potential be snuffed out?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Dude.
It's such a shame, because whatwas the rush?
What was the rush?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
They didn't have to, and if they waited so long
because of COVID.
They could afford to wait a fewmore months, couldn't they?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, man, and like it's funny that you had this fun
action film going up against amovie about dolls coming to life
and a movie about a nuclearbomb and somehow it got
annihilated by those two.
Such a shame man, because, ohGod, I will get into it in the
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other episode, but man.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh, again, there was no rush to have to release it so
close to other big hitters,just as you say now like in
December could have been a goodtime to release it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, and it was such a breath of fresh air watching
it too, was it Okay.
Yeah, because it was just asimple Like there was no
politics, there was no bullshit,there was just straightforward,
fun action.
There were some one-liners inthere, you know, at times it
took itself a little tooseriously with its plot.
That was just like.
Even though the plot was aboutAI and stuff like that, I mean
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it felt quite relevant given thecurrent climate with AI and
chat GBT and new AI tools comingout so much this year Like
every.
I mean right now we look at itand we're like, oh, people just
use it for speeches and shit.
Like I've been to like two orthree weddings where a guy has
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said I promise I didn't use chatGBT for this wedding speech.
Dear all human homo sapiens.
Pause for laughter.
Yeah, so there will be a pointwhere AI will destroy us and not
just be helping us get throughpublic speaking events, and
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Mission Impossible touched onthat and I thought it was really
cool.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I actually was going to ask if you think that the
premise of that movie is kind oflike a theme that's going to
become irrelevant a few yearsdown the line, like if the issue
with AI has been de-escalatedyears down the line, maybe it
becomes a little more irrelevantwith the issue with movies like
Don't Look Up and, for example,they just tackle issues that
are way too current for the timeand in a few years time they
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kind of become a bit outdated.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, right, I mean, like when you oversaturate with
a particular theme or you know,like we're seeing nowadays, like
the woke shit will be in thattime capsule of something that
we'll look back on.
But also, multi-versus issomething that's been done to
death so much that everyone isspoofing it, like South Park is
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spoofing it.
It's so mainstream, it's soabundantly clear to people that
it's a cliche that everyone istalking about it.
So I do think it will be, butthere's always going to be room
for innovative ways to challengethose themes.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, this is all subvert expectations.
Part one you know, maybe parttwo.
I don't know if you're lookingforward to subverting
expectations in part two or ifyou want more of the same, or I
don't know.
Do you think future of likeMission Impossible?
Do you maybe want somethingmore back to old roots sort of
thing, where the first movie waslike more spy thriller, more
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there was more of that liketension in the movie where you
weren't sure like no one hadplot armor or have they elevated
the action so much that it'stoo hard to then go back to
something more subdued andgrounded?
It's a tough call.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I think that mission about subverting Mission
Impossible is kind of like fastand furious, but just it's not
at that level of stupidity yet.
It's not Vin Diesel likejumping out of a tank and
landing on a car and just beinglike, oh, lucky the car broke my
fall, playing rocket leagueswith like Dodge cars and stuff,
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yeah, like it's not at thatlevel.
It's still at the fun, but likethere's consequences and people
die.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They're still derailing trains and jumping off
huge rams and climbing birchcalifers, though, so it is still
almost comical, I think,because Tom Cruise actually does
the shit.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It gives it this impressiveness that you actually
look at it like whoa, like inthe trailer, that moment where
the bike goes off the cliff.
You know that Tom Cruise didthat and when you're selling
that when you look at the behindthe scenes, he didn't just do
it once either.
He did it like multiple takes.
So when you see it you havethis gasp of like I can't
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believe he actually did it,whereas when you see that crap
in fast and furious, you're like, well, it's obvious, it looks
fake as and you know that VinDiesel definitely ain't jumping
off no cliff with a bike.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I wonder what his next impressive stunt will be.
But I just wonder.
This is his 100th life,Whatever the phrase is, defying
all odds, kind of like stuntswhere it's maybe the 15th time
he does it.
It's still impressive, but it'speople kind of maybe will write
it off as oh, it's just yetanother thing, the magic sort of
worn off, Just yet anotherdaredevil stunts.
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It is in a bid to try and rakein the audience to the theaters
and so on.
I don't know, maybe it's like asort of John Wick effect, where
and people sort of bored by,it's like well, you can only do
the all these impressive stuntsand choreography so many times.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, this is where it all blur, this is where it
gets to the point where you go.
And it's funny that you bringup John Wick, because I actually
feel like John Wick ended onsuch a good high note.
If the next mission impossibleis the last one, then that would
be great, because then it'slike, yes, just right off into
the sunset, never come back, butit was a good franchise.
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You had your like one moviethat was not good, but out of
like seven, eight movies, that'spretty solid.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's been going on for 20 years or something.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, since like since 96.
Since I was like one year old,yeah, and you weren't even born.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I wasn't even born yet.
I was born like the 97.
Yeah, but like ever since, likethe first movie, with like the
amount of action, it just keepsescalating and so, as we were
saying like it, maybe it'sharder to then bring it back to
old roots or to sub-voteexpectations, and so maybe then
the solution is, after part two,that reckoning part two, that's
when they like end thefranchise on a high note,
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because after that it's startingto reach maybe a point of
diminishing returns.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Then how many, how much more stunts has he got in
him, how much more can audiencebe bought into the spectacle of
it If it was anyone else, I'dsay yeah, but because it's Tom
Cruise, I'm like nah, he's goingto go to space and then he's
going to free flow from a rocketship and then just fucking
crash into the earth like a getup.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, maybe he does a reinvention of his acting
career in the way that emulatesJackie Chan's, where it's like
after the golden age of HongKong cinema he's like he can
only do death defying stunts forso long before the magic wears
off and there's only so muchthat body can take.
Maybe then they go more intodramatic arts and stuff, because
Tom Cruise actually has actingchops and comedy chops as well,
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and like tropic thunder and soon.
So maybe after that that's thetrajectory he'll take, his sort
of acting portfolio into, somaybe that will be interesting
to see after that reckoning parttwo, that actually would be a
good way of him writing off.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Into the sunset.
He just retires the franchiseand goes.
You know what I'm going to do?
Comedy or I'm going to get backinto serious dramatic stuff,
kind of like Robert Downey Jr.
After yeah, after Endgame, hestarted doing stuff where, like
he got back into dramatic roles.
He was in Openheimer yeah.
He can do stuff where he's noteven recognizable, reinvent
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himself, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Have you fun way to like.
Spend your like later yearsafter doing so much the twilight
of your acting career.
You get stuck in just doingaction for so long.
Maybe you start forgetting,like the roots of you know what
got them into acting in thefirst place.
Something more slow, Bernie, Idon't know, maybe he could be
doing that, I mean the twilightof his career would be like the
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peak of a normal person's career.
Oh, yeah, doing like a 500million dollar movie.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I'm now doing a 300 million dollar movie.
Oh, what is?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
he Sixty, sixty something.
Yeah, gosh, he doesn't look aday like over 30 or something.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh, dude, that fucker can run Like he could run
circles around me.
Yeah, absolutely I got tiredjust watching him run in this,
in this.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Anyway, boundless energy.
So that's a debt reckoning,part one which, as we said, it's
like, despite you enjoying itso much, it could have done with
a more delayed release so as toreally reach its full box
office potential.
Not that we should be justconcerning ourselves with the
goodness of a movie based on howmuch profit it made, and not a
numbers guy.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
but you know, timing is everything it is funny,
though, because a lot of theworst movies correlate to box
office bombs.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh yeah, that is also true.
It was also like the timing ofwhen you release a movie also
plays into a public perceptionof how good or bad something is.
It's before we beat a deadhorse.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Now, the next two movies I've got here are both 20
22 movies, so I'll just skipthat.
Oh, john Wick 4.
John Wick 4 is definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Why do you like John Wick 4?
, Like after there's been threeprevious movies already.
How have they reinvented thewheel?
Is the Donnie N effect?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
it's not really reined.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
How do you keep the audience like engaged?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
fourth movie in introducing new characters,
introducing new legendary actorsand stunt performers into the
mix, giving the film.
It was more like the way itended just having the ability to
just end a franchise on like afinal full stop and be like,
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yeah, we're doing it.
Where, like every otherfranchise that I've seen, is she
like you're watching IndianaJones 5.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I was going to say it seems like James Mangles
could take a page out of JohnWick 4 and just like learn the
different.
Well, I shouldn't.
Not James Mangles, but thestudio.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Whoever, whoever wrote that piece of shit?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
they could learn the difference between, you know,
just like letting a franchise,just like come to a definitive
full stop, versus just taperingoff.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, like this, john Wick 4 feels like Indiana Jones
3 in that it's just the perfectending.
Let's bookend it.
You know, you're just happywith that and you don't feel.
I mean, I could be wrong.
I don't know, maybe in 10 yearstime they resurrect him or say
that it was all fake or somebull crap ending but John Wick,
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zombies.
It was just refreshing to justbe like yep, that's it, that's
the ending and like no, like nosequel, post credits, bullshit.
Well, that's good, just like no, that's it.
John Wick would return and itjust felt, yeah, john Wick will
return in Live and Let Die, or007, spectre or some shit.
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Yeah, and it's a fun movie.
It's a really fun.
It's similar to MissionImpossible when that, like
you're traveling the world goingall these different exotic
locations, Always.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You can't go wrong with like a globetrotting
adventure movie, right, yeahyeah, Something so timeless
about it.
You know just seeing, you knowit's the Indiana Jones effect of
like seeing a red line goingacross the world map.
You know you're seeing thisglobetrotting adventure of like
chasing an artifact or what haveyou going after?
A villain?
I mean, I haven't seen this, Idon't know what.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Also, that's the deal .
There's like an authenticity tothe way that Keanu Reeves
performs in those movies.
But how do you?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
mean Well similar authenticity.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Similar to Tom Cruise .
Like you know that he's veryinvested in the role as far as
stunt choreography, fighting,the shooting, the way he's
reloading, the way he holdsweapons and stuff like that.
You know that he's done propertraining and he's not some
fucking actor that's just rockedup and was like I'm going to
hold my pistol like this becauseit looks cool, not just a stand
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in or a stunt double.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, you feel like it's him Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Fully in it, fully immersing himself.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And you're saying that translates well onto the
big screen.
Yeah, and that's good.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And the other thing with John Wick is, even though
there's like few moments whereit's a bit too much to handle,
where it's too unbelievable,it's still like John Wick is he
and Fast and Furious is he.
It's over the top.
Even when it starts to, itnever gets to that level ever A
(24:18):
Fast and Furious or a superheromovie.
You still feel like it'ssomewhat grounded.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
He still has some mortality in him, like they're
still like.
So you're saying there would besome moments where they start
to like eke out onto the whole,like metahuman levels of
strength and invulnerability forJohn Wick, right, but he still
bleeds, he still stumbles, thatsort of yeah unlike Fast.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
X, where they just brush off an injury and maybe
it's just because all the otheraction movies are so terrible at
this but like just basic stuff,like selling an injury when an
actor gets stabbed or somethingand they start limping.
If it's like a typicalsuperhero movie, it's just like
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they get stabbed Because theypull the knife out and just drop
it on the ground.
Pull the knife out and then it'sfine or Fast and Furious.
They get stabbed and the knifejust stays there and at first
they're like eugh.
But then the next shot he rises, he stands up straight.
Oh shit, that's what I get formaking fun of.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Vin Diesel.
They just get up out of it andbe like, oh, that was itchy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And then he just like stabs a five inch stab wound.
No, vin Diesel, just he, justlike, pumps out his chest and
the knife bounces out of hisbody and stabs like three guys
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yep Disregarding how, in real life, a stab wound
would be followed by months andmonths of physio appointments,
and so Bro, if I bend over thewrong way, I fucking end up
seeing a physio for a couple ofmonths.
And then I just fall down thestairs.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, man like John Wick wasfantastic Great fight,
choreography, fulfilling story,excellent creativity, the
franchise.
Just what do you mean bycreativity?
I think it got to a point whereI was like, wow, I am just not
getting tired of seeing JohnWick kill people.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
There's not that right repetition to it.
I've sort of seen this sort ofthing already.
There wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
No they found interesting simple ways, like
things that you wouldn't thinkare creative, but I don't know,
like that for example, there's afight scene that happens on,
like this long staircaseoutdoors and just the way they
incorporate the stairs into thefight sequences, and then having
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John Wick like fall down thestairs, like it's just like
simple things that they do, butthat throw it into a whole
different direction.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, so you like creativity in the originality of
the fight choreography.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I think it was that one that had
this fight scene in this giantlike kind of glass room and
there was just all these glasscabinets everywhere and shit
like that, and that was reallycool.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well, I also, like you know, I've seen this scene
where they have the top downcamera to really emulate that
hotline Miami.
Look where he was shootingthose incendiary Ammo's and you
could see all the individualrooms.
So that's like kind of blendingvideo game aspect into the
cinematography.
I totally forgot about that.
So this, so you appreciate it,that's four movies in.
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They still could find originalways to capture this and the
long takes.
There's no cutting, is just allin one thing, that was four
movies in.
They're still able to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's what I thought , because when I originally went
into that movie, I went in withno expectations.
I was watching it on the planetrip to Italy and I was like I'm
finally going to give it awatch and I thought it's going
to be the same tired stuff.
I was like I feel like thethird movie could have been the
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ending to the franchise.
Did it really have to get afall?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
But no, it earned its place and it's okay Good.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Justified.
Well, that's good, man, becauseC colitis man, that's a very
real thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I feel like it's just so unique nowadays to see a
franchise just be like wrappedin a little bow and be like no,
that's it.
And that might be what I'llfeel when Mission Impossible
dead reckoning part two comesout, Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Have they filmed that , or are they?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I think they've already filmed it.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Finished.
Okay, I think I could be wrong.
I don't know.
I think I could be wrong.
I don't have a third movie.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The non 2023 movie that you include in the 2023
year.
I don't have a third movie.
Oh you don't.
I legit will like movies that Iwant to see.
After doing research for this,godzilla minus one is apparently
very good.
Yep, yep, yep.
And then there was a wholebunch of movies that I had no
idea existed the iron claw I'm amassive wrestling fan.
I watched that and, seeing ZacEfron and that dude from the
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bear, I forgot his name, butthat guy's a beast of an actor.
He's in everything nowadays.
Yeah, that movie looks great.
It's got a very like DarrenAronofsky Aronofsky yeah, that's
the right, yes, darrenAronofsky, who directed three
times.
Darren Aronofsky directed thewrestler.
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Another movie I love with MickeyRourke, the whale, came out
last year For some reason.
I thought it came out this yearand it was one of the movies I
had written down.
And then I was like fuck, can'tmention it because it came out
last year.
But fuck, that movie is good.
I hate that, like anyone doubtedBrendan Frazier as someone who
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grew up always believing in himand just been like waiting for
that time when he was just goingto rise above the ashes because
all he needed was the rightmovie and a new agent because
for some reason he kept doingthese duds but he was always
still standing out as, like, thebest thing about it, even in
shit movies, there was this lovethat you had for him.
(30:38):
The sympathy is just a veryendearing actor, is very good at
playing likeable people.
He's got that charisma, thatcharm, and in the whale he just
carries that whole movie to.
Yeah, there's lines in thatmovie that still ring out to me
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because of how much emotionalweight he puts in his delivery,
how much emotions you feelbehind it.
And well, it's a very similarfilm to the rest line that
you're watching a very tragicfigure who you know how it's all
gonna end, but you're reallyhoping it doesn't end that way.
You want them to fix their life, but you know there's a
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possibility, a strongpossibility.
It's not gonna work out.
So, yeah, man, honorablemention to Mario Brothers, just
because it was fun.
Yeah, and that's my colorful.
I don't give a shit if it makesme sound like such a teenage
boy.
I'm like the bright colors wereawesome, but fuck it.
It was good to see an animatedmovie that wasn't made by Disney
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.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
My glass half empty.
Take on that.
Yes, it's my top movie of 2023.
It's like this and across thespider-verse.
But, like we were discussing inour spoiler review of the Mario
Brothers movie, is that just afew tweaks to like the dialogues
could elevate the movie fromjust possible to a movie that
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actually had something to say.
They actually had a messagethat it wanted to convey, with
something that's universal andpeople could get behind.
Yeah, just something.
Just some positive message.
Maybe, as we said, like maybeif in the ending, the star power
like ran out of juice orsomething and then he had to
bring up the power from withinor something.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
They need what they need.
They need a writer from Disneyto help them with the second
movie and just be like, are you?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
sure you wanted to bring in anyone from Disney.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, because we want the good old movie.
The second movie's whole thingshould be White People or Bad
Sure.
Write it down, Nintendo Come ontake a page from Disney's book.
Let's do it.
White People or Bad.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That'll sell Present, company excluded and the Mario
Brothers, I suppose let's insultour target audience, that'll
work right, disney.
Yeah, because it worked out sowell for them this year.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Let's hope that 2024 we get like Disney just fucking
making normal movies, likeeveryone just making movies to
entertain people.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
We might have a few things to say on that topic in a
different episode, but no, yeah, the sequel could be more bold
with its storytelling.
It's still ranking like 9s outof 10s with a lot of people.
What is the Mario Brothersmovie?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh yeah, the audience is lover.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Critics don't, but audiences love it yeah no,
objectively it could still do alot more in the story department
for sure, and it's too safe formy liking now that I've watched
it, you know.
But I understood why it had tobe saved.
Maybe not push the boundariestoo much for the first outing
after so many decades you got towarm into it, man.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I mean we had Mario just hijacking cars on Rainbow
Road and taking people out, likehe's John Wick, like that's
always going to be awesome, evenif the story's non-existent or
nothing.
And you got Jack Black justdoing a great job as Bowser.
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Beaches, beaches, beaches.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, that's classic.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So yeah, man, fuck it .
Oh, I admit it, mario Brothersis in one of my best movies of
the year.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, again, could objectively have some better
story improvements in terms of,like, actually having a positive
message that people could getbehind, but like, still, on the
surface level, have all thepretty visuals.
You can do both, you know.
You can objectively do both,you know.
And then my other honorablemention is like across the
spider verse.
Again, my glass half emptyperspective on that is oh, I had
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it.
I forget that.
My glass half empty perspectiveon that movie is, after hearing
all the like poor workingconditions, that I hope they
take their time with the thirdmovie.
And again it's, even thoughit's quite phenomenal of a movie
, it's still feeding into themultiversal burnouts that the
general audience is feelingright now Because, remember,
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it's not just Marvel fans thatare making Marvel money, it's
also just the average consumerthat's not totally bought into
the whole premise ofmultiversalness Because, yes,
when everything is multiversal,things feel inconsequential.
Why should I empathize withthis variance of Miles Morales
when an literal infinite numberof other Peter Parker's and
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Miles Morales, some have betteroutcomes in their life than
others?
Why should I care about thisone version so?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think they use that to their advantage, to be like
yes, there is still massiveconsequences despite all the
different multiverses.
That was the thing that wasbringing me through it all.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is that you had?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Miles still making this massive choice.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, now that brings me to my glass half full
perspective on it, which wasthey actually found a clever way
to incorporate the wholemultiversal narrative into, like
that make it central to thelesson that Miles had to learn,
which was and it all stems fromthat one conversation he had
with his mom about just likesort of being above the fray,
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like against all odds, like witheveryone doubting you, they've
made a whole room full of spidermen and spider women realize
the errors of their ways, thatthey had compromised their ideal
, going against the whole like.
You know that what's wrong isthat you know something bad's
about to happen and you chooseto do nothing.
That's the real reason why youallow evil to perpetuate.
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It's the whole reason why UncleBen died is because he saw the
guy the would be killer like runpast him, like in the Tobey
McQuire movie and in that momenthe chose to not do it, and then
he paid the consequence for it.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah across the spider verse has just a huge
moral dilemma.
That engages people, engagesaudiences, and there were so
many great moments.
There were meta moments, therewere meme references.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
There was a good villain that, like you, could
understand his point of view.
He wasn't some generic Marvelvillain.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
He talked about the spots or Miguel the vampire
stuff, because I feel like noone's necessarily like the
villain, Like yes, they arevillains, but like the spots as
someone that's more aconsequential sort of villain.
He's just a product of thingsrather than he was an antithesis
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of him or something.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I was thinking more of the Spider-Man, who's like
the leader of the multiverses.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, he's more conflicted ideals, because he's
the one that's reallyconflicting with Miles.
Yeah, yeah, the most compellingvillains are the ones that
parallels the protagonist interms of what they disagree on,
in terms of ideology.
Or maybe it could be a case ofMagneto versus Charles Xavier,
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where they both want the samething, they both want what's
best for the mutants, but theyhave different methods.
So those are the reallycompelling dynamics all the time
, all those timeless features.
But here, even though the spotis the villain, he's the one
that is going to be bringing athreat to Miles as well, but it
felt like he was more out of thepicture and the focus was more
on the moral dilemma of it,which made for a very engaging
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watch.
And then, within that is wherethey incorporated the
multiversal aspect of it,instead of just being a cameo
fest to then make a really sortof thought provoking point.
How do you block out, likeeveryone else telling you
otherwise, how do you stand forwhat's right and have integrity?
It?
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gave Miles this great chance tostand out as an individual and
for us to the cameos were usedto show that he was above the
fray, not just oh wow, this isthe Spider-Man from that game
and that universe.
They were used to actually showthat he was above that.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And the struggle for individuality.
You could feel it, you couldsympathize with it, oh man, and
also the Cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
But I would say again , I have to go glass half empty.
I remember when we both watchedit it was my second time
watching it, but your first timewatching it.
Throw up the spoiler alertAndrew Garfield makes an
appearance.
When he makes an appearance yousort of looked at me and was
sort of like chuckling.
And then that made me thinkmaybe some of those live action
cameos from Toby McGuire andAndrew Garfield it kind of their
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sort of star power presence,sort of took away from the
gravity of the message thatMcGuire was trying to convey,
which was the whole like canonevent has to happen, and so when
they just show a big star likeAndrew Garfield, people would be
too distracted by the cameoappearance to then sort of
absorb the message that theywere trying to say to people.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I couldn't even remember that he was in it
Really.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You didn't remember that how?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
did that happen?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
They had a close up of his face.
Man, when Captain Stacey died,thingo, they had a close up of
his face.
You don't remember that.
And across the spiderverse,yeah, yeah.
And then you looked at me andyou sort of like chuckled, you
don't remember.
You actually don't rememberthat.
But yeah, it's to my point.
Yeah, it probably wasdistracting people from the
message that they were in themiddle of trying to convey.
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So that would be my one.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That could be a similar thing to no Way Home,
where it was like riding a bittoo much of this fine line,
where it's like fanfare andnostalgia with also creating its
own unique story.
That's a tough thing.
That's like juggling a bunch ofballs while you're fucking on a
unicycle.
It's such a balancing act.
(40:55):
It's this business.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But yeah, there would be, like my main gripe with,
across the spiderverse, which isotherwise a pretty spot on
movie, it executes every aspectof it minus the overworked VFX
writers.
So that's why that ending scenewhere Gwen recruits the
original cast from the firstmovie, that was like a very last
minute addition and if you knowanimation you can't just add in
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shots.
That takes months of prep workand shot listing.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
It would have been pretty funny if that scene was
like right, the scene was likereally badly animated, like just
fucking paper and black andwhite drawings.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I wonder if when they have those glitch effects,
that's their way of like hidingpoor animations, or if they say
that all these poor, like pensketches are actually part of
the aesthetic.
But actually it was just fromus being overworked.
We didn't have time to finishthat render and we're just going
to say it's part of thespiderverse filter.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's like taking a life of its own.
And scratchy and poochy fromthe Simpsons.
Find that clip to add to thisPoochy I hadn't heard of Poochy.
Oh my God, it's the funniest.
So the Poochy character.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is this like a Treehouse of Horror episode?
No, no, I can't believe, youdon't remember.
Poochy, it doesn't ring a bellAnyway, they decide to kill off
the character.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Right, poochy, poochy .
The actor Homer is doing thevoice acting for the character
and he refuses to do the linesof saying that he's like going
to fuck off and go into thedistance and just leave.
So when they play the episode,someone else is voicing it and
he's like I have to go now, myplanet needs me, and it's just
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like the picture going up Likeit's not animated at all and
then like a piece of paper, justsays like Poochy was actually
from another planet, he was analien.
And then Bart and Lisa likewhoa, I didn't know, poochy was
an alien, subvertingexpectations.
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My God, that would be funny ifthat happened in across the
spider verse.
Anyway, oh, by the way, thanksfor joining me for the Ninja
Turtles review.
That would have been great,because guess what?
That was on the hundred list ofawesome movies.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Again.
I just feel it would be lost onme.
You know the fandom of it all.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I never grew up with TNMNT, so if you want to know
why there's no review forTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
blame Martin.
You mean the Asian Addy?
Oh yeah, whatever you prefer.
Asian Addy, all right guys.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So, to conclude, yours was Mission Impossible,
debt Reckoning, part 1, johnWick 4, if you want to group
that into 2023.
Mario Bros, oh, mario Bros, andfor me Mario Bros is number one
.
And then across the spiderverse is pretty close second,
both just being like okay,across the spider.
First because of it being soobjectively a good movie Coming
(43:56):
from Sony of all places.
Yeah, what do?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
you mean.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Sony DeMorbius.
Oh yeah, that was one of themovies of all time.
We all loved the hell out ofthat.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh, and we've got Madame Webb coming up.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, try to get through the trailer without
cringing at that one line.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Future Martin.
Insert clip of Madame Webb fromtrailer oh my, God, I'm just
thinking of that one line.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
It's so cringe they set it with a straight face.
Are you thinking of?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
the one where she's like oh, my father researched
spiders before he died.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yes, that one Holy crap.
They set that with a freakingstraight face, like as if it was
a serious.
That's a line that someonewrote.
That is a line someone wroteand made it to the trailer.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Not necessarily Maybe , maybe.
Yeah, it almost sounds robotic,in terms of just doesn't help
that the actor delivering theline since that was like a robot
.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Wow, anyways, good that this, this next 2024.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
clearly All right guys.
Well, if you enjoyed this video, please leave a like, share and
subscribe.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I mean, yeah, this way, because it's a positive
episode.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah.
Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of
Movies Worth Seeing.
I'm Michael Pishonery and Addyhas suddenly become Asian.
Funny how that goes.
I've been.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Addy.
This whole time it was all adream.
It's always been Addy.
My name is actually Addy and Ichanged ethnicities and only
until in the last two episodesthat I changed back to my real
skin yeah, and my hair andaccent and voice and everything,
and my height and my clothingand my personality there never
(00:32):
was Tyler Durden.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
You always were Tyler Durden, the whole time.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Sure, I wish I understood the reference you
never seen Fly Club.
No, I actually haven't.
Yeah, I actually haven'twatched Fly Club, for somehow,
oh God, there's a lot of movies.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I haven't watched.
Oh man, all right.
Anyway, jesus man, what a bombshow you just fucking dropped on
me.
Never seen Fly Club.
I had a whole routine that wasall based on Fly Club references
and you just fucked it all up,you want to see the whole list
of movies that I haven't watched.
(01:12):
It's that, screenshot that Isent you.
You know it's interesting.
Actually, when I looked up onRotten Tomatoes the best movies
of 2023, like all 100 of them Ihadn't seen, the only one I saw
was Barbie, which I don't knowhow that made it to the top 100.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's across the spider-verse and Mario movie.
Make that list that you werelooking at.
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The Mario movie did not make that list because it
was based on.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
What is this website?
It was based on critic reviews,not audiences.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So of course Mario couldn't be on there.
It was two mainstream.
Instead they had to put someFrench film called La Carrin
d'Algance.
Oh, yeah, it was theinternational like the foreign
films, yeah, the foreign filmsalways have to be number one.
Anyway, we are going to betalking about the best movies of
2023, which was really hardthis year, because every time I
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thought of a movie and wrote itdown in my notes, martin
reminded me that the movie cameout last year.
So I put Avatar 2, I put likepages of notes on Avatar 2.
And then he was like you know,that came out in 2022,.
Right, it's like we did agoddamn review of it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Don't you remember With me Luke Ages yourself?
You know, December, man, Comeon, I couldn't remember it.
You felt like a 2023 movie foryou.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
It did, because it was so like right at the end of
the year, that I would have seenit in January, but that
happened twice.
There was another film that Idon't care.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm going to bring it up anyway because it was such a
good film, but anyway, let'sgive some praise Well whilst
you're at it, then you might aswell bring up Citizen Kane there
, you know, because that alsowas a great movie.
Oh yeah, I've also got.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Terminator 2, the Godfather Charlie Chaplin.
Oh yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
The Three Stooges.
Bring up any Buster Keatonmovies here, you know, yeah,
because they're all good movies,let's group them into 2023,
just to wash this year.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
This year of shite, like Noah's Ark, like we were
just sailing in the distance ina sea of shit.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Hollywood just needs to clean slates and just like
wash away the sins of ourforefathers.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We need a tsunami to just fucking come and destroy
all the garbage.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, we promised, before the cameras were rolling,
that we would make this allpositive, that for every
positive, we wouldn't relate itto a negative event in 2023.
And, like so far, how are wedoing on that score?
My tally counter is already upto like the thousands of
something in terms of, like, howmuch negativity that we've
brought into an episode ofpositivity.
Okay, but we were endeavored tobring positivity into this
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episode.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
If you want to bring positivity back in to this
discussion, then let's startwith Mission Impossible.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Dead Reckoning Part 1 .
I was going to say Sound ofFreedom, but because that's such
a positive film.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh God, Can you say oh, I'm dark man.
Let's get to Mission Impossible.
I loved Mission Impossible.
Dead Reckoning Well, it's notthe strongest in the franchise.
It was a fun experience and thereal unique thing for me is
(04:25):
that I watched it in Italy and alot of it was filmed in Italy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Did you also happen to go to the actual towns, like
the specific parts?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, did they have the Colosseum in?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
one of the car chases .
So was it mainly in Rome.
And did they go anywhere elsein Italy?
So it was mainly Rome, Italy.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, there's a scene that's in Dubai Airport.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Am I saying?
Isn't that the 2011 movie wherethey climbed the Burj Khalifa?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, but this one was set in Dubai as well, just
for the airport andcoincidentally I had to stop
over in Dubai to get to Italy.
So I got to see, I was like, ohmy God.
It was like when I went to theDubai airport I kept thinking to
myself, man, you know, I wouldmake this freaking airport
better if you just had TomCruise running through it and
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running on the rooftop and shit.
And lo and behold, I got to seethat in Mission Impossible,
dead Reckoning.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's actually not that far off from people
transiting at the Dubai airport,you know, because they have to
make it to the next flight.
It was a lot of running and soactually for us Aussies
traveling to Europe, yeah, dubaior Qatar is like the stopover
sort of airport, so it'sactually not too uncommon that
you'd be stopping over in theMiddle East and so on.
So did you watch the movieafter you had to transit via
(05:46):
Dubai?
So that's when you saw, oh wow,like I was just there, like
sort of you had that moment,like I had that moment.
Me and my partner traveledthrough the oh, look, that's the
terminal that we just likewalked through.
They filmed there.
Yeah, pretty much it's likemonths ago, and then Tom Cruise
ran here.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Like we did the Roman Coliseum, like three days
before.
I saw the movie and was like,wow, it's all right there.
And then there's the SpanishSteps.
That was in the car chase.
The cars literally go down theSpanish Steps and I was like we
were just there today.
This is incredible.
I've never watched a moviebecause no one films movies in
(06:24):
Sydney.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Sydney is like a cesspool of that's just avoided,
apart from Four Guys, which iscoming out with one of the
Ryan's, ryan's something.
What's his name?
The Handsome One, not Ryan Renn.
Gosling yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, they're both pretty handsome.
It's not like Ryan Reynolds isan ugly fuck, not that Ryan the
good looking one.
No, yeah, four Guys, yeah.
It's like saying like, oh, notthat Brad, the other, brad the
ugly Brad.
Which Brad?
Brad Pitt the good Chris?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The actual Handsome One, the muscular Chris, not the
dorky one yeah Movie.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But yeah, I'm glad to hear that you.
It's a good time to taste themen.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Oh well, you know, variety is the spice of life.
I don't discriminate againstany.
Okay, they're all good, youknow.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Nice, you mostly.
Yeah.
Anyhow, I'm engaged.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
We can't do this anymore Did you just reveal a
very big piece of information tothe public.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You want to maybe make public?
Oh to what?
Or four subscribers of ourchannel.
Come on man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Don't say yourself short.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
To all the 10 viewers , including my mom.
This is the first timeannouncing that I'm engaged.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yes, Bravo, where's the?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
applause sound first.
Yeah yeah, my fiance was like Iwhen I proposed.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
No, not me, Not me.
I'm not the fiance.
No, not you.
We're not announcing ourengagement.
Spoiler alert it's not modern.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
We're not trying to pull off a plot twist.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Let's go bloody ink Like marry someone else.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yes, hate to offend or, no, disappoint the gay
community, but I am not gay.
But yeah, I proposed to mypartner and she thought to
herself I've always wanted tomarry a struggling YouTuber.
So of course I'll say yes,really, you got.
(08:29):
I gotta stop talking shit aboutmyself.
And the self-deprecation isstrong in this one.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Another negativity in an episode about positivity.
Anyway, yes, I'm glad youenjoyed that movie, but
apparently it didn't do thenumbers.
Yes, I've always got to bringin the whole like glass, half
empty aspect into it, butapparently because of the whole
competing with Oppenheimer forIMAX screenings, it had a
limited IMAX screenings whichmeant that they couldn't rake in
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as much box office numbers asTom Cruise would have wanted.
So initially he was a bitpissed off about that, but then
it was okay with it afterwards.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
But it didn't do as well financially.
He probably wasn't going toshow it in interviews and shit
and be like no, I'm fuckingpopping.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'm a shit, yeah, but behind the scenes he really was
like trying to push for that.
Yeah, I remember it was likeHollywood report and variety and
stuff and like I think, pissedoff about Barbie.
Well, I don't know if pissedoff, but like the pressure was
on to really rake in the profitsand the box office numbers.
I think, especially whenCo-Sing along with the momentum
of Top Gun Maverick, that hereally wanted like two back to
(09:31):
back like big hitters.
That's under the Tom Cruisemoniker.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Don't they look at the release date schedule and go
?
That's also true, like becauseoutside of Barbenheimer there
wasn't any like major bigreleases that could steal the
spotlight.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I think people are saying that technically,
Barbenheimer aren't like on adefinition basis, they're not
considered as like summerblockbusters, Like they're still
big releases in their ownrights.
But yeah, it's like a case ofcannibalized sort of sales
season and it's kind of like ohwait, I should be reserving for
this for the next episode.
But it's kind of okay.
(10:08):
I'll use another analogy ratherthan a movie.
Do you remember a video gamecalled Final Fantasy 16?
It came out this year.
And even though it was a goodgame, the problem was that it
was releasing very close to likeother big hitters like Tears of
the Kingdom and whatever elsealso came out around that
mid-year May, june sort of timeperiod, and so you can have a
(10:29):
very good movie like MissionImpossible, dead Reckoning part
one, but it's kind of just hasits oxygen sucked out by like
all the other like biggerhitters.
So yeah, that's what I'm sayingit's like.
So I'm sure if it was releasedsome other time it would have
like made the big numbers likethe previous Mission Impossible
did.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Dude, now would have been an awesome time to release
it, because there is nothing towatch.
I'm not watching Aquaman 2.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
There's no rush to have to release it now.
It's like you can just put iton the shelf and release it some
other time, like maybe duringan off-peak season.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I think they already had it on the shelf for a while
because of COVID.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Ah, and that's where he had the whole like shouting
at the crew, with the whole likesocial distancing and stuff,
wasn't it?
Yeah, where he got really angry.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I don't know if it was this movie, but yeah, he
wasn't happy about it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Okay.
So yeah, that begs the questionwhy did they have to release it
so weeks before Barbenheimer,just to have you know it's box
office potential be snuffed out?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Dude.
It's such a shame, because whatwas the rush?
What was the rush?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
They didn't have to, and if they waited so long
because of COVID.
They could afford to wait a fewmore months, couldn't they?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, man, and like it's funny that you had this fun
action film going up against amovie about dolls coming to life
and a movie about a nuclearbomb and somehow it got
annihilated by those two.
Such a shame man, because, ohGod, I will get into it in the
(11:57):
other episode, but man.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh, again, there was no rush to have to release it so
close to other big hitters,just as you say now like in
December could have been a goodtime to release it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, and it was such a breath of fresh air watching
it too, was it Okay.
Yeah, because it was just asimple Like there was no
politics, there was no bullshit,there was just straightforward,
fun action.
There were some one-liners inthere, you know, at times it
took itself a little tooseriously with its plot.
That was just like.
Even though the plot was aboutAI and stuff like that, I mean
(12:37):
it felt quite relevant given thecurrent climate with AI and
chat GBT and new AI tools comingout so much this year Like
every.
I mean right now we look at itand we're like, oh, people just
use it for speeches and shit.
Like I've been to like two orthree weddings where a guy has
(13:00):
said I promise I didn't use chatGBT for this wedding speech.
Dear all human homo sapiens.
Pause for laughter.
Yeah, so there will be a pointwhere AI will destroy us and not
just be helping us get throughpublic speaking events, and
(13:20):
Mission Impossible touched onthat and I thought it was really
cool.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I actually was going to ask if you think that the
premise of that movie is kind oflike a theme that's going to
become irrelevant a few yearsdown the line, like if the issue
with AI has been de-escalatedyears down the line, maybe it
becomes a little more irrelevantwith the issue with movies like
Don't Look Up and, for example,they just tackle issues that
are way too current for the timeand in a few years time they
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kind of become a bit outdated.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, right, I mean, like when you oversaturate with
a particular theme or you know,like we're seeing nowadays, like
the woke shit will be in thattime capsule of something that
we'll look back on.
But also, multi-versus issomething that's been done to
death so much that everyone isspoofing it, like South Park is
(14:15):
spoofing it.
It's so mainstream, it's soabundantly clear to people that
it's a cliche that everyone istalking about it.
So I do think it will be, butthere's always going to be room
for innovative ways to challengethose themes.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, this is all subvert expectations.
Part one you know, maybe parttwo.
I don't know if you're lookingforward to subverting
expectations in part two or ifyou want more of the same, or I
don't know.
Do you think future of likeMission Impossible?
Do you maybe want somethingmore back to old roots sort of
thing, where the first movie waslike more spy thriller, more
(14:55):
there was more of that liketension in the movie where you
weren't sure like no one hadplot armor or have they elevated
the action so much that it'stoo hard to then go back to
something more subdued andgrounded?
It's a tough call.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I think that mission about subverting Mission
Impossible is kind of like fastand furious, but just it's not
at that level of stupidity yet.
It's not Vin Diesel likejumping out of a tank and
landing on a car and just beinglike, oh, lucky the car broke my
fall, playing rocket leagueswith like Dodge cars and stuff,
(15:30):
yeah, like it's not at thatlevel.
It's still at the fun, but likethere's consequences and people
die.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
They're still derailing trains and jumping off
huge rams and climbing birchcalifers, though, so it is still
almost comical, I think,because Tom Cruise actually does
the shit.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
It gives it this impressiveness that you actually
look at it like whoa, like inthe trailer, that moment where
the bike goes off the cliff.
You know that Tom Cruise didthat and when you're selling
that when you look at the behindthe scenes, he didn't just do
it once either.
He did it like multiple takes.
So when you see it you havethis gasp of like I can't
(16:12):
believe he actually did it,whereas when you see that crap
in fast and furious, you're like, well, it's obvious, it looks
fake as and you know that VinDiesel definitely ain't jumping
off no cliff with a bike.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I wonder what his next impressive stunt will be.
But I just wonder.
This is his 100th life,Whatever the phrase is, defying
all odds, kind of like stuntswhere it's maybe the 15th time
he does it.
It's still impressive, but it'speople kind of maybe will write
it off as oh, it's just yetanother thing, the magic sort of
worn off, Just yet anotherdaredevil stunts.
(16:49):
It is in a bid to try and rakein the audience to the theaters
and so on.
I don't know, maybe it's like asort of John Wick effect, where
and people sort of bored by,it's like well, you can only do
the all these impressive stuntsand choreography so many times.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, this is where it all blur, this is where it
gets to the point where you go.
And it's funny that you bringup John Wick, because I actually
feel like John Wick ended onsuch a good high note.
If the next mission impossibleis the last one, then that would
be great, because then it'slike, yes, just right off into
the sunset, never come back, butit was a good franchise.
(17:27):
You had your like one moviethat was not good, but out of
like seven, eight movies, that'spretty solid.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's been going on for 20 years or something.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, since like since 96.
Since I was like one year old,yeah, and you weren't even born.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I wasn't even born yet.
I was born like the 97.
Yeah, but like ever since, likethe first movie, with like the
amount of action, it just keepsescalating and so, as we were
saying like it, maybe it'sharder to then bring it back to
old roots or to sub-voteexpectations, and so maybe then
the solution is, after part two,that reckoning part two, that's
when they like end thefranchise on a high note,
(18:05):
because after that it's startingto reach maybe a point of
diminishing returns.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Then how many, how much more stunts has he got in
him, how much more can audiencebe bought into the spectacle of
it If it was anyone else, I'dsay yeah, but because it's Tom
Cruise, I'm like nah, he's goingto go to space and then he's
going to free flow from a rocketship and then just fucking
crash into the earth like a getup.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, maybe he does a reinvention of his acting
career in the way that emulatesJackie Chan's, where it's like
after the golden age of HongKong cinema he's like he can
only do death defying stunts forso long before the magic wears
off and there's only so muchthat body can take.
Maybe then they go more intodramatic arts and stuff, because
Tom Cruise actually has actingchops and comedy chops as well,
(18:48):
and like tropic thunder and soon.
So maybe after that that's thetrajectory he'll take, his sort
of acting portfolio into, somaybe that will be interesting
to see after that reckoning parttwo, that actually would be a
good way of him writing off.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Into the sunset.
He just retires the franchiseand goes.
You know what I'm going to do?
Comedy or I'm going to get backinto serious dramatic stuff,
kind of like Robert Downey Jr.
After yeah, after Endgame, hestarted doing stuff where, like
he got back into dramatic roles.
He was in Openheimer yeah.
He can do stuff where he's noteven recognizable, reinvent
(19:23):
himself, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Have you fun way to like.
Spend your like later yearsafter doing so much the twilight
of your acting career.
You get stuck in just doingaction for so long.
Maybe you start forgetting,like the roots of you know what
got them into acting in thefirst place.
Something more slow, Bernie, Idon't know, maybe he could be
doing that, I mean the twilightof his career would be like the
(19:47):
peak of a normal person's career.
Oh, yeah, doing like a 500million dollar movie.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I'm now doing a 300 million dollar movie.
Oh, what is?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
he Sixty, sixty something.
Yeah, gosh, he doesn't look aday like over 30 or something.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oh, dude, that fucker can run Like he could run
circles around me.
Yeah, absolutely I got tiredjust watching him run in this,
in this.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Anyway, boundless energy.
So that's a debt reckoning,part one which, as we said, it's
like, despite you enjoying itso much, it could have done with
a more delayed release so as toreally reach its full box
office potential.
Not that we should be justconcerning ourselves with the
goodness of a movie based on howmuch profit it made, and not a
numbers guy.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
but you know, timing is everything it is funny,
though, because a lot of theworst movies correlate to box
office bombs.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh yeah, that is also true.
It was also like the timing ofwhen you release a movie also
plays into a public perceptionof how good or bad something is.
It's before we beat a deadhorse.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Now, the next two movies I've got here are both 20
22 movies, so I'll just skipthat.
Oh, john Wick 4.
John Wick 4 is definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Why do you like John Wick 4?
, Like after there's been threeprevious movies already.
How have they reinvented thewheel?
Is the Donnie N effect?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
it's not really reined.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
How do you keep the audience like engaged?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
fourth movie in introducing new characters,
introducing new legendary actorsand stunt performers into the
mix, giving the film.
It was more like the way itended just having the ability to
just end a franchise on like afinal full stop and be like,
(21:34):
yeah, we're doing it.
Where, like every otherfranchise that I've seen, is she
like you're watching IndianaJones 5.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I was going to say it seems like James Mangles
could take a page out of JohnWick 4 and just like learn the
different.
Well, I shouldn't.
Not James Mangles, but thestudio.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Whoever, whoever wrote that piece of shit?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
they could learn the difference between, you know,
just like letting a franchise,just like come to a definitive
full stop, versus just taperingoff.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, like this, john Wick 4 feels like Indiana Jones
3 in that it's just the perfectending.
Let's bookend it.
You know, you're just happywith that and you don't feel.
I mean, I could be wrong.
I don't know, maybe in 10 yearstime they resurrect him or say
that it was all fake or somebull crap ending but John Wick,
(22:20):
zombies.
It was just refreshing to justbe like yep, that's it, that's
the ending and like no, like nosequel, post credits, bullshit.
Well, that's good, just like no, that's it.
John Wick would return and itjust felt, yeah, john Wick will
return in Live and Let Die, or007, spectre or some shit.
(22:41):
Yeah, and it's a fun movie.
It's a really fun.
It's similar to MissionImpossible when that, like
you're traveling the world goingall these different exotic
locations, Always.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You can't go wrong with like a globetrotting
adventure movie, right, yeahyeah, Something so timeless
about it.
You know just seeing, you knowit's the Indiana Jones effect of
like seeing a red line goingacross the world map.
You know you're seeing thisglobetrotting adventure of like
chasing an artifact or what haveyou going after?
A villain?
I mean, I haven't seen this, Idon't know what.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Also, that's the deal .
There's like an authenticity tothe way that Keanu Reeves
performs in those movies.
But how do you?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
mean Well similar authenticity.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Similar to Tom Cruise .
Like you know that he's veryinvested in the role as far as
stunt choreography, fighting,the shooting, the way he's
reloading, the way he holdsweapons and stuff like that.
You know that he's done propertraining and he's not some
fucking actor that's just rockedup and was like I'm going to
hold my pistol like this becauseit looks cool, not just a stand
(23:45):
in or a stunt double.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, you feel like it's him Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Fully in it, fully immersing himself.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
And you're saying that translates well onto the
big screen.
Yeah, and that's good.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
And the other thing with John Wick is, even though
there's like few moments whereit's a bit too much to handle,
where it's too unbelievable,it's still like John Wick is he
and Fast and Furious is he.
It's over the top.
Even when it starts to, itnever gets to that level ever A
(24:18):
Fast and Furious or a superheromovie.
You still feel like it'ssomewhat grounded.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
He still has some mortality in him, like they're
still like.
So you're saying there would besome moments where they start
to like eke out onto the whole,like metahuman levels of
strength and invulnerability forJohn Wick, right, but he still
bleeds, he still stumbles, thatsort of yeah unlike Fast.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
X, where they just brush off an injury and maybe
it's just because all the otheraction movies are so terrible at
this but like just basic stuff,like selling an injury when an
actor gets stabbed or somethingand they start limping.
If it's like a typicalsuperhero movie, it's just like
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they get stabbed Because theypull the knife out and just drop
it on the ground.
Pull the knife out and then it'sfine or Fast and Furious.
They get stabbed and the knifejust stays there and at first
they're like eugh.
But then the next shot he rises, he stands up straight.
Oh shit, that's what I get formaking fun of.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Vin Diesel.
They just get up out of it andbe like, oh, that was itchy.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And then he just like stabs a five inch stab wound.
No, vin Diesel, just he, justlike, pumps out his chest and
the knife bounces out of hisbody and stabs like three guys
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yep Disregarding how, in real life, a stab wound
would be followed by months andmonths of physio appointments,
and so Bro, if I bend over thewrong way, I fucking end up
seeing a physio for a couple ofmonths.
And then I just fall down thestairs.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, man like John Wick wasfantastic Great fight,
choreography, fulfilling story,excellent creativity, the
franchise.
Just what do you mean bycreativity?
I think it got to a point whereI was like, wow, I am just not
getting tired of seeing JohnWick kill people.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
There's not that right repetition to it.
I've sort of seen this sort ofthing already.
There wasn't that.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
No they found interesting simple ways, like
things that you wouldn't thinkare creative, but I don't know,
like that for example, there's afight scene that happens on,
like this long staircaseoutdoors and just the way they
incorporate the stairs into thefight sequences, and then having
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John Wick like fall down thestairs, like it's just like
simple things that they do, butthat throw it into a whole
different direction.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Okay, so you like creativity in the originality of
the fight choreography.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I think it was that one that had
this fight scene in this giantlike kind of glass room and
there was just all these glasscabinets everywhere and shit
like that, and that was reallycool.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Well, I also, like you know, I've seen this scene
where they have the top downcamera to really emulate that
hotline Miami.
Look where he was shootingthose incendiary Ammo's and you
could see all the individualrooms.
So that's like kind of blendingvideo game aspect into the
cinematography.
I totally forgot about that.
So this, so you appreciate it,that's four movies in.
(27:49):
They still could find originalways to capture this and the
long takes.
There's no cutting, is just allin one thing, that was four
movies in.
They're still able to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
That's what I thought , because when I originally went
into that movie, I went in withno expectations.
I was watching it on the planetrip to Italy and I was like I'm
finally going to give it awatch and I thought it's going
to be the same tired stuff.
I was like I feel like thethird movie could have been the
(28:21):
ending to the franchise.
Did it really have to get afall?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
But no, it earned its place and it's okay Good.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Justified.
Well, that's good, man, becauseC colitis man, that's a very
real thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I feel like it's just so unique nowadays to see a
franchise just be like wrappedin a little bow and be like no,
that's it.
And that might be what I'llfeel when Mission Impossible
dead reckoning part two comesout, Right yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Have they filmed that , or are they?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
I think they've already filmed it.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Finished.
Okay, I think I could be wrong.
I don't know.
I think I could be wrong.
I don't have a third movie.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
The non 2023 movie that you include in the 2023
year.
I don't have a third movie.
Oh you don't.
I legit will like movies that Iwant to see.
After doing research for this,godzilla minus one is apparently
very good.
Yep, yep, yep.
And then there was a wholebunch of movies that I had no
idea existed the iron claw I'm amassive wrestling fan.
I watched that and, seeing ZacEfron and that dude from the
(29:30):
bear, I forgot his name, butthat guy's a beast of an actor.
He's in everything nowadays.
Yeah, that movie looks great.
It's got a very like DarrenAronofsky Aronofsky yeah, that's
the right, yes, darrenAronofsky, who directed three
times.
Darren Aronofsky directed thewrestler.
(29:51):
Another movie I love with MickeyRourke, the whale, came out
last year For some reason.
I thought it came out this yearand it was one of the movies I
had written down.
And then I was like fuck, can'tmention it because it came out
last year.
But fuck, that movie is good.
I hate that, like anyone doubtedBrendan Frazier as someone who
(30:15):
grew up always believing in himand just been like waiting for
that time when he was just goingto rise above the ashes because
all he needed was the rightmovie and a new agent because
for some reason he kept doingthese duds but he was always
still standing out as, like, thebest thing about it, even in
shit movies, there was this lovethat you had for him.
(30:38):
The sympathy is just a veryendearing actor, is very good at
playing likeable people.
He's got that charisma, thatcharm, and in the whale he just
carries that whole movie to.
Yeah, there's lines in thatmovie that still ring out to me
(31:00):
because of how much emotionalweight he puts in his delivery,
how much emotions you feelbehind it.
And well, it's a very similarfilm to the rest line that
you're watching a very tragicfigure who you know how it's all
gonna end, but you're reallyhoping it doesn't end that way.
You want them to fix their life, but you know there's a
(31:25):
possibility, a strongpossibility.
It's not gonna work out.
So, yeah, man, honorablemention to Mario Brothers, just
because it was fun.
Yeah, and that's my colorful.
I don't give a shit if it makesme sound like such a teenage
boy.
I'm like the bright colors wereawesome, but fuck it.
It was good to see an animatedmovie that wasn't made by Disney
(31:47):
.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
My glass half empty.
Take on that.
Yes, it's my top movie of 2023.
It's like this and across thespider-verse.
But, like we were discussing inour spoiler review of the Mario
Brothers movie, is that just afew tweaks to like the dialogues
could elevate the movie fromjust possible to a movie that
(32:09):
actually had something to say.
They actually had a messagethat it wanted to convey, with
something that's universal andpeople could get behind.
Yeah, just something.
Just some positive message.
Maybe, as we said, like maybeif in the ending, the star power
like ran out of juice orsomething and then he had to
bring up the power from withinor something.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
They need what they need.
They need a writer from Disneyto help them with the second
movie and just be like, are you?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
sure you wanted to bring in anyone from Disney.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, because we want the good old movie.
The second movie's whole thingshould be White People or Bad
Sure.
Write it down, Nintendo Come ontake a page from Disney's book.
Let's do it.
White People or Bad.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
That'll sell Present, company excluded and the Mario
Brothers, I suppose let's insultour target audience, that'll
work right, disney.
Yeah, because it worked out sowell for them this year.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Let's hope that 2024 we get like Disney just fucking
making normal movies, likeeveryone just making movies to
entertain people.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
We might have a few things to say on that topic in a
different episode, but no, yeah, the sequel could be more bold
with its storytelling.
It's still ranking like 9s outof 10s with a lot of people.
What is the Mario Brothersmovie?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh yeah, the audience is lover.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Critics don't, but audiences love it yeah no,
objectively it could still do alot more in the story department
for sure, and it's too safe formy liking now that I've watched
it, you know.
But I understood why it had tobe saved.
Maybe not push the boundariestoo much for the first outing
after so many decades you got towarm into it, man.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I mean we had Mario just hijacking cars on Rainbow
Road and taking people out, likehe's John Wick, like that's
always going to be awesome, evenif the story's non-existent or
nothing.
And you got Jack Black justdoing a great job as Bowser.
(34:20):
Beaches, beaches, beaches.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, that's classic.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So yeah, man, fuck it .
Oh, I admit it, mario Brothersis in one of my best movies of
the year.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, again, could objectively have some better
story improvements in terms of,like, actually having a positive
message that people could getbehind, but like, still, on the
surface level, have all thepretty visuals.
You can do both, you know.
You can objectively do both,you know.
And then my other honorablemention is like across the
spider verse.
Again, my glass half emptyperspective on that is oh, I had
(34:53):
it.
I forget that.
My glass half empty perspectiveon that movie is, after hearing
all the like poor workingconditions, that I hope they
take their time with the thirdmovie.
And again it's, even thoughit's quite phenomenal of a movie
, it's still feeding into themultiversal burnouts that the
general audience is feelingright now Because, remember,
(35:16):
it's not just Marvel fans thatare making Marvel money, it's
also just the average consumerthat's not totally bought into
the whole premise ofmultiversalness Because, yes,
when everything is multiversal,things feel inconsequential.
Why should I empathize withthis variance of Miles Morales
when an literal infinite numberof other Peter Parker's and
(35:38):
Miles Morales, some have betteroutcomes in their life than
others?
Why should I care about thisone version so?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I think they use that to their advantage, to be like
yes, there is still massiveconsequences despite all the
different multiverses.
That was the thing that wasbringing me through it all.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is that you had?
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Miles still making this massive choice.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, now that brings me to my glass half full
perspective on it, which wasthey actually found a clever way
to incorporate the wholemultiversal narrative into, like
that make it central to thelesson that Miles had to learn,
which was and it all stems fromthat one conversation he had
with his mom about just likesort of being above the fray,
(36:24):
like against all odds, like witheveryone doubting you, they've
made a whole room full of spidermen and spider women realize
the errors of their ways, thatthey had compromised their ideal
, going against the whole like.
You know that what's wrong isthat you know something bad's
about to happen and you chooseto do nothing.
That's the real reason why youallow evil to perpetuate.
(36:47):
It's the whole reason why UncleBen died is because he saw the
guy the would be killer like runpast him, like in the Tobey
McQuire movie and in that momenthe chose to not do it, and then
he paid the consequence for it.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah across the spider verse has just a huge
moral dilemma.
That engages people, engagesaudiences, and there were so
many great moments.
There were meta moments, therewere meme references.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
There was a good villain that, like you, could
understand his point of view.
He wasn't some generic Marvelvillain.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
He talked about the spots or Miguel the vampire
stuff, because I feel like noone's necessarily like the
villain, Like yes, they arevillains, but like the spots as
someone that's more aconsequential sort of villain.
He's just a product of thingsrather than he was an antithesis
(37:43):
of him or something.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I was thinking more of the Spider-Man, who's like
the leader of the multiverses.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, he's more conflicted ideals, because he's
the one that's reallyconflicting with Miles.
Yeah, yeah, the most compellingvillains are the ones that
parallels the protagonist interms of what they disagree on,
in terms of ideology.
Or maybe it could be a case ofMagneto versus Charles Xavier,
(38:09):
where they both want the samething, they both want what's
best for the mutants, but theyhave different methods.
So those are the reallycompelling dynamics all the time
, all those timeless features.
But here, even though the spotis the villain, he's the one
that is going to be bringing athreat to Miles as well, but it
felt like he was more out of thepicture and the focus was more
on the moral dilemma of it,which made for a very engaging
(38:31):
watch.
And then, within that is wherethey incorporated the
multiversal aspect of it,instead of just being a cameo
fest to then make a really sortof thought provoking point.
How do you block out, likeeveryone else telling you
otherwise, how do you stand forwhat's right and have integrity?
It?
(38:52):
gave Miles this great chance tostand out as an individual and
for us to the cameos were usedto show that he was above the
fray, not just oh wow, this isthe Spider-Man from that game
and that universe.
They were used to actually showthat he was above that.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
And the struggle for individuality.
You could feel it, you couldsympathize with it, oh man, and
also the Cliffhanger.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
But I would say again , I have to go glass half empty.
I remember when we both watchedit it was my second time
watching it, but your first timewatching it.
Throw up the spoiler alertAndrew Garfield makes an
appearance.
When he makes an appearance yousort of looked at me and was
sort of like chuckling.
And then that made me thinkmaybe some of those live action
cameos from Toby McGuire andAndrew Garfield it kind of their
(39:42):
sort of star power presence,sort of took away from the
gravity of the message thatMcGuire was trying to convey,
which was the whole like canonevent has to happen, and so when
they just show a big star likeAndrew Garfield, people would be
too distracted by the cameoappearance to then sort of
absorb the message that theywere trying to say to people.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I couldn't even remember that he was in it
Really.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
You didn't remember that how?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
did that happen?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
They had a close up of his face.
Man, when Captain Stacey died,thingo, they had a close up of
his face.
You don't remember that.
And across the spiderverse,yeah, yeah.
And then you looked at me andyou sort of like chuckled, you
don't remember.
You actually don't rememberthat.
But yeah, it's to my point.
Yeah, it probably wasdistracting people from the
message that they were in themiddle of trying to convey.
(40:29):
So that would be my one.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
That could be a similar thing to no Way Home,
where it was like riding a bittoo much of this fine line,
where it's like fanfare andnostalgia with also creating its
own unique story.
That's a tough thing.
That's like juggling a bunch ofballs while you're fucking on a
unicycle.
It's such a balancing act.
(40:55):
It's this business.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
But yeah, there would be, like my main gripe with,
across the spiderverse, which isotherwise a pretty spot on
movie, it executes every aspectof it minus the overworked VFX
writers.
So that's why that ending scenewhere Gwen recruits the
original cast from the firstmovie, that was like a very last
minute addition and if you knowanimation you can't just add in
(41:21):
shots.
That takes months of prep workand shot listing.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
It would have been pretty funny if that scene was
like right, the scene was likereally badly animated, like just
fucking paper and black andwhite drawings.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I wonder if when they have those glitch effects,
that's their way of like hidingpoor animations, or if they say
that all these poor, like pensketches are actually part of
the aesthetic.
But actually it was just fromus being overworked.
We didn't have time to finishthat render and we're just going
to say it's part of thespiderverse filter.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's like taking a life of its own.
And scratchy and poochy fromthe Simpsons.
Find that clip to add to thisPoochy I hadn't heard of Poochy.
Oh my God, it's the funniest.
So the Poochy character.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Is this like a Treehouse of Horror episode?
No, no, I can't believe, youdon't remember.
Poochy, it doesn't ring a bellAnyway, they decide to kill off
the character.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Right, poochy, poochy .
The actor Homer is doing thevoice acting for the character
and he refuses to do the linesof saying that he's like going
to fuck off and go into thedistance and just leave.
So when they play the episode,someone else is voicing it and
he's like I have to go now, myplanet needs me, and it's just
(42:40):
like the picture going up Likeit's not animated at all and
then like a piece of paper, justsays like Poochy was actually
from another planet, he was analien.
And then Bart and Lisa likewhoa, I didn't know, poochy was
an alien, subvertingexpectations.
(43:01):
My God, that would be funny ifthat happened in across the
spider verse.
Anyway, oh, by the way, thanksfor joining me for the Ninja
Turtles review.
That would have been great,because guess what?
That was on the hundred list ofawesome movies.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Again.
I just feel it would be lost onme.
You know the fandom of it all.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I never grew up with TNMNT, so if you want to know
why there's no review forTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
blame Martin.
You mean the Asian Addy?
Oh yeah, whatever you prefer.
Asian Addy, all right guys.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So, to conclude, yours was Mission Impossible,
debt Reckoning, part 1, johnWick 4, if you want to group
that into 2023.
Mario Bros, oh, mario Bros, andfor me Mario Bros is number one
.
And then across the spiderverse is pretty close second,
both just being like okay,across the spider.
First because of it being soobjectively a good movie Coming
(43:56):
from Sony of all places.
Yeah, what do?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
you mean.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Sony DeMorbius.
Oh yeah, that was one of themovies of all time.
We all loved the hell out ofthat.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh, and we've got Madame Webb coming up.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, try to get through the trailer without
cringing at that one line.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Future Martin.
Insert clip of Madame Webb fromtrailer oh my, God, I'm just
thinking of that one line.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
It's so cringe they set it with a straight face.
Are you thinking of?
Speaker 1 (44:24):
the one where she's like oh, my father researched
spiders before he died.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yes, that one Holy crap.
They set that with a freakingstraight face, like as if it was
a serious.
That's a line that someonewrote.
That is a line someone wroteand made it to the trailer.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Not necessarily Maybe , maybe.
Yeah, it almost sounds robotic,in terms of just doesn't help
that the actor delivering theline since that was like a robot
.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Wow, anyways, good that this, this next 2024.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
clearly All right guys.
Well, if you enjoyed this video, please leave a like, share and
subscribe.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
I mean, yeah, this way, because it's a positive
episode.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah.
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