February 13, 2024 • 54 mins
Prepare to be enthralled and possibly a bit disturbed as we, Michael Pishonery and Addy A'Shula, along with our guest AJ, offer an unflinching critique of wealth and its follies through our discussion of the dark comedy "Saltburn." This episode promises to unravel the psychological twists of a film that's as darkly humorous as it is thought-provoking. We're not just talking about the plot here; we're dissecting the film's take on class dynamics, the impact of an outsider's seductive creepiness on a wealthy family, and Barry Keoghan's spellbinding performance. Carrie Mulligan and Rosamund Pike's smaller but no less significant roles also come under our spotlight, as does the movie's ability to shock and intrigue with scenes that push the envelope.
Venture into the realm of the privileged elite with us as we dissect the necessity of shock value in film. Is it just a ploy to hook viewers, or is there a deeper meaning behind the hedonistic depictions of the rich? Listen as we debate whether the portrayal of wealth in "Saltburn" eclipses its artistic quality or enhances its narrative. The discussion takes a turn towards a transformative moment within the film, contemplating metaphorical interpretations of power shifts and personal metamorphosis. We'll also delve into how the casting choices contribute to the movie's thematic layers, creating a relatable yet surreal experience for the audience.
Wrapping up our in-depth conversation, we speculate on the ambiguous outcomes for the characters, particularly the elusive Elspeth and the machinations of the mysterious Oliver. As we share our personal standout moments, we analyze the broader social commentary "Saltburn" offers on class and privilege, and how it contrasts the lives of the untouchable wealthy against the striving middle class. Don't miss our insights on the film’s intricate details, which shape the narrative and leave a lasting impression. Discover which scenes left us awestruck, and join us in the examination of a film that boldly challenges viewers with its narrative choices and stunning conclusions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome to another episode of
Movies Worth Seeing.
On today's episode, I'm MichaelPishonery, joined by Addy
A'Shula and AJ.
Special guest for today'sepisode who said you could?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
press my button.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Love it.
Speaking of pressing buttons,we're talking about Saltburn,
the latest dark comedy.
Would you call this a darkcomedy?
I call it fucked up.
A film that combines dark comedy, a critique of wealth and
psychological thrills.
Saltburn Today is a spoilerreview.
(00:40):
Spoiler talk because it isincredibly difficult to review
this movie without going intodetail, and I've had the great
fortune of seeing this movietwice now and AJ finally got to
finish it.
She got really scared andcouldn't finish it, but due to
our support she was able tofinish it today, which is great.
We're proud of you and Addy.
(01:02):
For Addy it's one of hisfavorite movies now.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
He loves it.
I went into it without knowinganything about it and I regret
that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But you loved every minute of it especially all the
gross fucked up scenes.
How do we start?
Ok, so how would you describethe plot of Saltburn?
I'd say it's like the Saltburnis like the talented Mr Ripley
in that it's a story thatinvolves an outsider coming into
a family of wealth andsystematically destroying them
(01:35):
and making them all come undone.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, like infiltrating into the, into
their property.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Something to do with class as well.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's so good to have a female on the show today, to
get a different perspective aswell, because otherwise we would
just be talking about Come Fuck, I was sucking.
I wasn't going to say that, butOK, it's good to know what's on
your mind, addy, when you're inthe room.
Ok, never mind, keep going.
Yeah, I guess it's hard not totalk about this movie without
(02:07):
talking about that becausethere's such prominent scenes
where it is a big character inthe whole theme of the movie.
Yeah, maybe I'm Barry Keeganman.
He is amazing, yeah, yeah, whatdid you guys think of his
performance?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I thought he was just like.
His presence was just.
He was just there, like therewas not a second.
You would question the realityof everything he's doing.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, great, great review of an actor's performance
, addy.
Like he was just there, I don'tknow he shows up and he's there
.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, I mean, that's a requirement, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.
So I mean, for some actors theycan't even do that, so that's a
good point, aj, what were yourthoughts on Barry?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I thought he was great.
Like the first half he wasreally awkward and shy, but then
the second half he brought thatconfidence and that creepiness
that, like, wasn't revealed inthe beginning.
That kind of shows his skills,I think.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I don't know, is it also kind of sexy in a way, in a
messed up way?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, there's a few scenes where he's like just like
whispering and I'm like I don'tfind you attractive, but
something's up.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, Addy was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Something was definitely up.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh man, and after seeing Promising Young Woman,
I'm sure you saw a lot of likecrossover, being that both films
are directed by a what's hername Emerald, I'm so bad with
names?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Fat, fano, oh no.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm so bad with names Emerald Fafanik or something.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Fano.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I think you're right.
I trust your opinion, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, Carrie Mulligan I love her.
She's my favourite actress,Even though she's got such a
tiny role in this film.
She was really funny.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like really different .
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And the same with Rosamund Pike.
Like they're so good at beinglike these typical like oh, oh,
you are your beautiful darling.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh, your eyes are gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But the others are just ghastly and they go go in
and get me a cup of tea.
Dude, Pop off, pop off, cheerio, I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So British.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh, I love it.
There was one quote where thedad, the patriarch of the family
, says damn it, you with yourAmerican feelings.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And I was like that's such a British thing to say.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Just criticise someone and say like oh, how
dare you be emotional.
That is purely American, notlike us Brits Love it.
Yeah.
What's stood out to you themost?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Where to start.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Everything that happened is just extremely
unexpected, like the twists.
It's not what the eventualsequence of events is, not that
Unexpected, but the way it'sdone, like Barry's character,
baza Baza.
Oh all of us Actions.
(05:17):
The way why he doesn't, how hedoesn't is just so twisted and
completely unexpected,especially while starting from
him and Venetia, venetia.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Venetia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, it'slike where?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
where did that twist come from?
That's the one question I have.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, we can break that down because, first thing,
well, when the twist, when, whenthis big shift happens for
Oliver, this character goingfrom this awkward shy to
sexually seductive and charmingand manipulative persona, james
Bond Sort of but in a darkversion of it, I guess, if James
(05:58):
Bond was gay and Bye.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oh yeah, if James Bond was bi, yeah, bye.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And liked flopping his dick out everywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah and fuck a grave .
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Why did he fuck the sorry?
We'll get back to that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The best part of watching this movie was just
Addie's reaction of like wait,what, what the fuck?
Why is that happening now?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He just liked to stick his dick in every hole he
could find.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And did you relate to that, barry God?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, not very relatable.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
But it reminded me of someone.
Yes, yes, he did like to stickhis dick in a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And his fingers.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And his fingers and his tongue.
Why do you really think therewas a big shift?
Or do you think it was just himhiding what he was all along?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, yeah, he was definitely hiding what was going
on all along.
But what?
That's the one question I haveabout this movie, besides all
the other questions.
The big question I had is likewhere, why, how was he such a
charmer with her?
Where did that come from?
Suddenly, it was like from theshyest guy who was like afraid
(07:16):
to take anything from someoneelse kind of thing.
Even though there was there,was put on Like I get that it
was all played, manipulated, butwhere did something, the shift,
come from that he decided as acharacter?
Now it's my time to becomecharming.
Now it's my time to startmanipulating him fully, like
with the confidence, not just.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think that he did a really good job of surveying
the room and working out all thefamily's weaknesses, while in
that shy, awkward kind of cutesy, innocent persona.
And then he slurped the supersemen from the bathroom bathtub
and was like I have super powersof charm now.
(07:57):
And that's when he was like nowI need to make my moves.
But I think the the piece iswhat just kind of fell in a
place there when it seemedobvious to him that now's the
time to strike.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Is it that he like took each character privately,
Like in the public he was likeshy, but then like when he got
the chance to be with onecharacter in private everyone
except for Felix he would bringout his confidence and be like
completely eradicating theirconfidence, kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I think it's.
Yeah, I think it's like that,and also it's like a film
technique, I guess, to bring theaudience into those intimate
moments.
It's like a reveal.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, so it's not just the story, but it's also
for, like, how to shockaudiences or how to make the
story work.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, it was a good way of like putting a shocking
kind of shift right in themidpoint of the movie to be like
whoa.
You know I have to, because youprobably had an idea that it was
going to go one way.
And then that was the momentwhere the movie was like we're
going a completely differentpath now, yeah, where we realize
that Oliver is not actually thehero of this story, he's not
(09:14):
this innocent outsider that'sgoing to be used, abused and
thrown back to the, to the, tothe middle class, but he's
actually got his own plan inplace.
I thought it was like him,that's.
He was just always a chameleonand he just picked the right
moments to strike.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, mm, hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And, yeah, he got time one on one with all the
family members to survey theirweaknesses, work out what makes
them tick, and plant seeds withall of them and in a way, he
knew what they were going to dolike two steps ahead.
Two steps ahead which is why hewas able to like why flirting
(09:57):
with the sister.
He knew that Farley would seeit, complain to Felix and start
a whole thing there.
He knew that Farley was waitingfor opportunities to fuck him
up, which led to that great part.
He was like, oh, who should youfuck?
(10:18):
You could just fuck me.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
At one point you're like wait a sec.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Is he hitting on him sexually?
But actually no, it's just himsaying you fucked me over.
Now I'm literally going to fuckyou yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
And he did, did he?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
He did.
I gave him a handi.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, at least.
And the spit.
I assume the spit was the slidein.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
No, I don't know, you don't know, like you don't know
.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean you don't know that could be.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was assuming, see, the first time I saw it I
thought he was fingering theasshole.
The second time, upon furtherviewing, I realized that it
could be a handy.
We don't know.
It completely changes thedynamic of the scene whether
it's a finger up there or ahandy.
(11:11):
We might never know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
This is what Reddit forums Mike is going to watch it
a third time.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I have to make sure I know exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I understand why you wanted to watch this twice.
Next time we can just skip tothese scenes, if you want.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'm sure there's lots of porn compilation.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Just those?
Oh God, that would be.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I did love writing in the notes that, like the sperm
gave him superpowers, likethat's a great film theory in my
mind there was an interestingthing that AJ said, though, you
brought up like vampires, andthey said someone said he's a
vampire at one point.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He said himself you're lucky, I'm a vampire when
he was trying to lick theperiod.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yes, that makes me think that even though it's
really fucking gross andshocking that scene, it also has
another symbolic purpose to belike he is a literal vampire
feeding off the blood of therich, because otherwise I would
just look at that scene and gothat's super gross.
And it didn't have to go thatfar, which is what I felt about
(12:19):
a lot of the scenes in thismovie.
It was like the bathtub scene.
We didn't have to see him slopethe bathwater, we could have
just like alluded to it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
But that's the whole point of movie.
They just like go like theywant to shock you, right.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, but why?
That's what I get to is like isthere really a purpose, or
could you take that out andstill have the movie
accomplishing what?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
it says how would you allude to a guy to consume
secondhand man juice out of abathtub man juice?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You would just like how do I put this?
In an appropriate manner forYouTube.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Man juice.
I don't know how.
How would you allude to that?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
There's lots of symbolism in this movie and
shots that perfectly illustratethat.
He is not all there, andthere's great ways that they use
lighting and colors to kind ofset this uneasy tone.
So I just think, with all thecreativity that they use to then
be like, oh, we're just goingto have a dude slip up bathwater
(13:22):
.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's like but why did you do the bathwater?
That's the one thing I still Idon't understand, because you
didn't love anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Felix has superpowers .
He wants to get the charismadude.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's how he got it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No, but seriously though this could actually be,
so he's a vampire.
He's a come vampire.
Maybe there's a sexual charismathat he loves about Felix,
because there's something abouthim watching Felix always
hooking up with women, but hemakes this point that he doesn't
love him in that way, so itmakes me feel like he loves him,
(13:57):
but he is not in love with him.
Then he says he hates him atthe end.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I feel like he's really obsessed with him, not as
in like romantically, but justobsessed with the person.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Is it maybe obsessed with everything he has?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, and that's why, and that's why Maybe?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But then why?
So he takes everything he couldfrom him, including his manges.
But I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But I don't understand the banging of the
corpse like the actual.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Maybe like a final fuck you.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh, so a sign of disrespect.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Perhaps, but he cries .
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Maybe it's to fake in case someone sees.
So he can be like I'm justreally emotional.
And then they're like why isyour dick out?
He's like because I'm so upset,I'm so emotional, I miss him so
much.
I don't know.
He's a fucking weird character.
He's like very complex.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But Look, it's a.
It's such a good movie.
I am 100% sure that it has ameaning behind that.
It's not just for the shockpurposes.
So that's what I'm trying towork out.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
What, yeah, exactly what do you think, aj?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
About what Like, why they went that far yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Do you think that there is a purpose behind going
that far with the shock value,or is it just purely to create
controversy and hook people towant to see it?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, I feel like if it was, if it's, if it didn't go
that far, if all the scenes arejust implied, then it would
just be like a normalpsychological thriller with good
cinematography, and I feel likeI probably wouldn't be as into
the style of it.
The shockiness is what I feellike stood out for me the most.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But then does that mean that the movie isn't as
good as we think it is, becauseall the best parts that we talk
about are the shock value.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But I feel like it could also be because, like
every movie is about, likewealth and rich people have
always taken it really far,because in a sense, I guess
they're trying to show howhedonistic that world is,
because they're not like normalpeople.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, because we did touch on this.
There's a scene where they'rein a thistle farm and there's
Felix, his sister Venetia andtheir cousin Farley sitting
naked in the thistle garden, thefield, the fucking field.
They're sitting in the fieldand then Oliver comes and
(16:31):
they're like oh, you got to takeyour pants off, man, because
everyone does it.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, actually, why Now?
Yeah, you said oh, now Iunderstand it, now that you
watched it for a second time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, it's kind of coming back to like what AJ is
saying, that there's, when youcover a story on like this, this
family of excessive wealth,there's a feeling that because
of their excessive wealth,there's just a lack of moral
boundaries of any kind andthere's a feeling that just
anything goes, because it's likethey can do whatever they want.
(17:03):
So they choose to do whateverthey want and there's no
repercussions.
So therefore they're alwayspushing the boundaries and
therefore that scene was kind ofshowing me that it's really
fucked up in this family.
But it's just the norm that,like the brother and sister and
their cousin are going to benaked in a field and not think
(17:23):
anything of it, that it's notweird at all.
In fact, oliver is singled outas like you're so weird man I
can't believe you still got yourpants on, so okay.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
so basically, it is a really weird, strange lifestyle
that is completely foreign tohim, that he is adapting to to
work his way in and to push themout.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, it's also foreign to us, because we're
watching him thinking the samething.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
That was fucked up.
Yeah, because we identify assomeone who does not own a
building like Saltburn.
We identify more with Oliveruntil we realize that he's a
parasite.
So it's.
I think it's really to show,indeed, how different how the
(18:12):
two worlds between the twocharacters are so different,
whereas we identify with one andthen develop a comfortability
with the second world, with thegrandeur basically of the rich
vision and lifestyle that thefamily has, and then he blossoms
in that.
That said, though, that watchparasite it's so similar.
(18:34):
It's less messed up but waymore psychologically kind of
factor to it.
Watch it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I gotta say they really cast good on the style.
So Rosamund Pike in Gongo it'squite a similar style of like a
lot of twists and turns and likemessed up characters.
You have Carrie Mulligan, ofcourse, with promising young
woman and you have Barry Keeganfrom you haven't seen.
Benches of Finish Hearing Alsomessed up.
(19:07):
It's like all the three moviesin the three main characters.
Well, carrie Mulligan is notreally a main character but like
the three big actors who are init have done movies in the past
that are so similar.
It's like the thrill in thelegs selling this kind of style
of movie, and just works.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, even Jacob Elody is from Euphoria and his
character in Euphoria is kind oftoxic as well.
Really fucked up.
Who is he?
Felix, yeah, felix.
He's so hot he is so hot, he'sso hot.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I remember the first time I watched it and seeing
like all the shots of him, justlike.
I was like oh man, please don'tbe one of those movies Because,
like when you first watch it,you think it's just going to be
like this gay lover story.
And it's so much more than that, so much more.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I really thought it was going to be one of those
movies, but with you two likeanticipating on my reaction of
how it's, going to turn out.
I was like this is weird.
It's like a gay love story,such a romance.
You feel like these guys aregoing to make out and it's like
okay, but cringe, butsomething's off.
And it was off.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It became a much more complex relationship because of
that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, like so complex, I don't even know what
it was.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just like Oliver just
wants to be him and become himand in this weird fucked up way.
That's why I like he does theslurping of the barf water His
superpower.
Yeah, to get the superpowers.
I mean, I say it as a joke, butthere's probably
(20:47):
interpretations that are sayinglike no, that's 100% what he's
going for there, Cause you doget this weird feeling that that
is the catalyst where hechanges completely and becomes a
different person.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Actually I got that the first time because I watched
the bathtub sing and then it'sthe sing with the mom, and he
was already like super confident.
So the first time I watched itI had similar thoughts too, like
did that give him?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
a little bit of a protein.
Oh Jesus, yeah.
The other great thing aboutthis movie is just yeah, the
cinematography and the colorsand, like the midsummer night's
dream themed party and you'vegot Oliver wearing these horns
and I love those horns becauseit's so devilish kind of thing,
(21:38):
right.
Yeah, and you got Felix withthe wings.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
The angel on the devil on the devil, just fucking
.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I love how like it's not full.
Full, frank, oh, like.
What kind of ratio would thatbe under?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It was pretty much square, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Slightly wider than tall, but it was pretty much
square.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But it looks so good.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Looks so good.
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, it's funny with aspect ratios.
Sometimes they use specificones to get across something
Like like if it's square, orsomething to create like this
box, feeling that maybe thecharacters are contained, or
something like that.
You know, there's always likeweird symbolism behind some of
those decisions.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They did it in Maestro for the purpose of like
decades, how each decade it'sdifferent ratio, but for this
one I feel like it's moresymbolic of rigid class
structure.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, no, there's definitely got to be a reasoning
behind it.
Fuck this so much.
I just love how this familyjust believes in like ignorance
is bliss, like their son diesand they're having lunch and
they're like you got to eat thecrepe like this.
(22:57):
And can we have eggs poached,please?
Thank you very much.
And like oh, yes, close thecurtains and like did you enjoy
the cake last night?
Oh, it was spectacular, wasn'tit?
Oh, and everyone else is likewhy the fuck are we just talking
about food when someone's died?
And the curtain this redcurtain closes and it's almost
(23:21):
like it envelops the entirefamily now with the grief that
they're feeling from the death.
So it's so fucking well done.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It's like death is upon you now.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And then boom, or maybe not death.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
but well, oliver well , oliver is death in a way
because boom sister is dead,father is gone, and then I know
how much time passed before thedad kills himself.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It was like 14 years it's 2006 to 2022.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
14 years.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yes, that brings up a point where I'm like that was a
very long plane.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Because we don't get an explanation really for what
happened to the father.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Kills himself.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He did.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I'm pretty sure he killed himself yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Was it yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Because, as he died and then I'm surprised that he
took him so long, so that theyalluded to him committing
suicide Well, probably becausehis two children- killed
themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I guess my only complaint is we never get an
explanation for what happened toElspeth, to like for her to get
sick.
It just kind of comes out ofnowhere, which works out great
for Oliver.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I wonder if he did something.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's what I was thinking.
Did he poison her or somethingwhile living with her, because
he would have had access to alot of things.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So she had an issue with her lungs because she had,
like, the air pump pumping inthe air and then he blew the
smoke into her face.
So it probably that he oh he,full ripped out the thing, no,
no yeah.
But before that he blew all thesmoke from the cigarette into
her face.
It's kind of like, and thesmoke ruins your lungs.
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So it feels like he didsomething to her lungs to make
her lungs messed up.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm just surprised that they explained almost
everything he did to a T butlike that part they just kind of
left open to interpretation.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But they didn't explain that much, though.
At the end they had like alittle montage of like oh, I
know this and that, from themoment I saw you, I did do your
bike, kind of thing.
But there's a lot of thingsthat they didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's like how he killed the sister yeah, he put
the razor near the bathtub afterhe had that chat with her, so
he didn't really have to do much, though After Felix dies it
just creates.
I mean, it's kind of similar towhen we watched the Eye and
Claw, in that one death justcauses this domino effect
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because the family is so weakand full of vulnerable.
All it takes is just one pushand, like the whole family is
knocked out and for them, beingsuch a weak family that didn't
really have a strong kind offoundation, it was so easy to
take advantage of that and justcause one death and for it to
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spiral.
Yeah because to us, the viewers,it's so obvious what's wrong
with this family that they don'ttalk about a lot of things.
They take advantage of people.
They don't.
Obviously, the daughter is likean alcoholic and smokes a lot.
The son doesn't really give afuck, he's got a party lifestyle
(26:34):
.
The cousin is just a fuckingspoiled brat who's entitled and
doesn't do shit.
By the end of it you kind offeel like I don't know.
This family is kind of uselessin a way.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh very.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Very useless.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And maybe that's another thing that the film's
trying to communicate about likethe higher upper classes that
Like they have all this moneybut they don't do anything
worthwhile with it, they justfuck it all away.
And from Oliver's point of view, maybe that's one of the
driving forces behind himwanting salt burn is he feels
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that everyone there doesn'trespect it or they take
advantage of it.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't know.
Then he dances through houseflopping his dick around.
I don't think he respects thateither.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
In the cover.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm not saying it's logical, because this is a
fucking psycho.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I'm just saying in his point of view he could be
looking at it like they don'tdeserve this.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, because they didn't work for it.
He worked for it in a twistedway.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, I don't know if his parents worked for it, but
no, he worked to get the house.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Which he specifically said like I went to work Like.
Fortunately, I know how to work.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
When he was talking to Elspeth, confessing the
entire thing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That seemed to be a common thread in a lot of films
in recent years.
Have you ever seen Triangle ofSadness?
Or like Glass Onion, even?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh, Glass Onion.
Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They all have that like rich, hedonistic world and
then, I guess, normal peoplecoming into it and then exposing
what their lives are like.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Well, there was an early scene in the movie where
this teacher sees Oliver andFarley About to discuss like
poetry essays or something likethat, and he kind of looks the
other way with Farley and islike, oh well, he's part of this
great family so he doesn't haveto do shit.
And Oliver is like busting hisass.
He's read all the essays andall the books and he knows
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everything.
So that kind of starts thewhole trend of what the movie is
going for, where the middleclass, they have to work extra
hard to be recognized, where,whereas the Welfare is just
based on who they know and theyjust get handed everything.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Remember, like that teacher the same teacher you're
talking about says like, oh yeah, oh, my God, I was with your
mom, right, like, oh no, no, no,I was an admirer from afar.
Probably eludes to a similarthing that happened Farley's mom
, who was related to, like thesister to, felicia's dad.
Felicia's dad was the one whohad salt burn right Because his
mom, rosamund Pike, was a model.
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So they were already rich, as Ilike it, because then it's like
generational.
Everybody was been alwaysadmiring them for their money
and for their wealth.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I thought it was really good too, because it made
it clear that the teacher wasnot didn't know them.
He was almost kind of like aweaker version of Oliver.
He was just someone thatadmired and wanted to be like
them but could never get closeto them and break through the
circle.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Favorite scene and you can't say the bathtub scene,
as much as I know you want to,eddie.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It is definitely the bathtub scene is definitely the
one that had the most, had methe most like what that Fuck is
going on.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I wish I recorded your reaction.
I got your reaction to theother parts in the movie yeah,
which you'll definitely have toput into this at some point.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Please do, please do send them through but favorite
scene.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I'll tell you mine.
Why do you think?
I really love the scene, asfucked up as it is.
I love the scene when Oliverreveals his whole sinister plan.
Because we don't know who istalking to the whole movie.
We're relying on him as thenarrator and the film does.
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This follows the I guess it'sbecome a cliche of the
unreliable narrator.
So the idea that the narratoris telling you everything, so it
must be the gospel truth.
And then you find out no, it'sjust their perception, which is
something that we've seen inmovies, like the usual suspects.
So you assume that this personcan't be the bad guy, because
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they're the narrator and we'relistening to them the whole time
.
And then it turns out they are.
I love that.
He reveals his whole story andwe don't know who he's talking
to.
And then they just give thissudden cut where we see Rosamond
Pike's face with therespirators all attached to her,
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and we realize that he's wonpretty much.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I like the period blood scene.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Actually, I feel like that one has a really shocking
effect as well.
I don't know, somehow I justreally like the grossness of it.
I don't know which one camefirst again.
The bathtub first I like thatscene and I also like the scene
where he's talking to Fali Faliwhen he was like yeah, At the
(32:01):
party.
Yeah, yeah, oh, when Fali'ssaying I always come back.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
That is a powerful scene.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's part of that whole, like wealth, like upper
class thing, no, no, no, she'stalking about it on the couch,
the couch when Talk about HenryI thought you were talking about
the Midsummer Night's DreamParty when Fali surprises Oliver
and Oliver's like what are youdoing here?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You can't be here, they're going to be mad.
And he's like don't you get it?
I always get to come back.
And it was that moment whereFali's just kind of like saying
like I always win Because I'mfamily and you'll never be that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I like that scene too .
There's something satisfyingabout it, even though I'm not
supposed to like him, but it'slike it, just like he spoke the
truth probably.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, I think because Fali's been poking him a lot in
the movie and claiming thathe's nothing because of his
class.
So we actually startsympathizing for Oliver.
We want him to kind of fuckover Fali because he's such a
dick.
Like the way he condescendinglycriticizes him for having a
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rental tuxedo and stuff likethat.
It says that you're almostpassing by as like a human boy
because you're part of the eliteand you almost look like one of
us.
That actor was really good atmaking me fucking hate him.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, and he's American accent upon all the
Britishness Kind of did it too,I feel.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But that's one of the reasons why he was almost like
another outsider.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
He kind of was, he kind of wasn't outside.
That Parasited himself into thefamily as well in a way, but he
never he was a leech.
He was a leech and Oliver was aparasite.
A leech is kept on taking asmuch as he can until he got
ripped out and a parasite walksin and just takes over.
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Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And that was why the karaoke scene was really good
when they were singing that song, Because the song lyrics were
talking about like being, yeah,getting everything paid for you
and looked after.
And we saw Oliver be likeoffended at singing it put on
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show and then Oliver's like whydon't you come sing too Farley,
this is your song.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
That was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
That was a great moment, so subtle.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And it's like no one else knows what's going on
except them two.
Great, great story.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I feel like there's a lot of that kind of writing in
this film.
That's why I like it so much.
It's got the subtle momentswhere it's not on the nose
either.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Except when, except for the bar folks.
That's so subtle.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's literally on his nose.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I gotta say, though, since the movie industry is
making a comeback this year,like it started off with with
Maestro we saw at the end oflast year, then we saw Ironclaw
this week and now we're seeingSaltburn.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You said four things.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's like what good movies were there last year.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh, Banshee's there's quite a few.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
There's quite a few good, but I feel like now it's
like look, you have a lot of theMarvel movies that came out of
last year.
They made billions, they werejust gigantic money-making
machines, but nobody liked them.
And now there's movies likethese that are coming out, and
I'm sure these ones did by farnot make as much money, by far
not as much revenue, becausethere's no fan base to present
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it to.
But it's quality.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well, technically, saltburn would have an inbuilt
fan base.
Because, emerald Fennel, I havethe fucking name, I'm sorry.
You are a good director, I justam bad with names.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Say it to her.
Come on, say it to her.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Emerald, as if she's gonna watch this.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Because this is her second film, a lot of people
would have been intrigued Like,oh my god, it's the director and
writer from Promising YoungWoman, and that's why I wanted
to watch this movie and alsobecause I heard it was really
fucked up.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, it's a small fan base that comes to see the
movie for the director, butthat's a smaller fan base than
some people that follow thewhole franchise.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Marvel movies, exactly, but I mean even the
Marvel.
People are sick of Marvel.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's what I mean.
Can I say I'm glad that thatera is coming to an end,
hopefully.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, what's wrong with saying that?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I want to still work, no, but I'm glad that you are.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
How dare you be glad that good movies are being made?
I know alright.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
No, but I'm so glad.
No, but I'm just so glad thatthe Marvel movies suck nowadays,
because they just do they suckfor a good while.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
People were still buying tickets.
But now, like people have wokenup and are like there's shit
and I know there's shit now,like I look at the poster and I
know that's gonna be a shitmovie, I'm not gonna bother.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, anyway.
Yeah, that's my point.
I'm glad that the movieindustry is shifting towards in
a good way.
Now shifting back to like goodoriginal movies of actual
stories and not just a remake ofold comic books, and I hope
that the musical phase isfinishing soon as well.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
It looks like it's just beginning.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, oh god, looks like it's beginning.
And then all the biographies aswell, like some of them are
really good, it's just that.
Maestro is a biographies too,maestro is really good, but it
brought like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You mean like the Priscilla Alves kind of
biographies?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, Look, some of them are good, but I prefer to
watch this still, because thisis original.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah Well, it's a proper story.
It's a proper story, you're notlocked in by the story of the
celebrity.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, because you have what's the name?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, amy Winehouse is coming out.
Yeah, bob Marley coming out.
There's so many.
I think there's a couple more.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, priscilla, just came out the problem with
Biopix?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
is you know how it's gonna end?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
There's no like secret twists and turns.
The only thing they can do isthe way they present it.
That's why people liked Elvis,because it was really like
creative and it dived more intothe story of him and his manager
.
But lots of people were stilllike, eh, we've kind of seen
this before.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, well, it was still a good movie, elvis.
But yeah, I mean, one Life wasmaybe we saw recently as well.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
One.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Life.
Yeah, I saw it in the movie.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I liked it.
It just doesn't yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It's such an amazing story and the real life story is
so, so empowering.
And then the movie was actuallyvery disappointing.
Have you seen One Life?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
One Life.
Yeah, who's it about?
I don't remember the name.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
This guy who helped a lot of Jewish people during the
Second World War, is it yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He is British or American British.
He went to check Now Austria,and just before the war started
he shipped 669 Jewish children,the foster families in England,
who are still alive today.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I think the problem with that film, and also a lot
of biography nowadays, is thatthey tried to, they did do
amazing things and achievedgreat things, but it's just like
there's this glorification thatjust felt like I don't know,
like salt burn is fucked up.
You can't, you can't, reallyyou can't glorify yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, it's always gonna be from a perspective like
an autobiography.
Like, for example, elvis isalways gonna have people from
Elvis's family in charge of itand there's always gonna be
certain things that they'regonna sugarcoat or they're gonna
not really go over.
Like they're not gonna go intodetail about the fact that, like
Elvis dated Priscilla when shewas really freaking young and
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stuff like that and the overdoseand the drugs, like they're
gonna like brush those thingsand focus more on the good
things.
So it creates this thing whereyou don't get the most authentic
biopic.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
That said actually iron claws, also biopic, exactly
.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
And one of the things we said about iron claws is
that it's too much, like youcould tell it's a biopic,
because it's.
It's got to follow these beatsof the biography and then by the
time it's got to go back tobeing a movie.
It kind of wraps everything upat the end in a nice little bow
and is like, oh, that's theending and we felt like it was
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really rushed.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
By the way, kevin wasn't happy with it.
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I thought he was who's Kevin.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
He's one of the guys.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
That guy from the character.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, the wrestler.
Oh okay, where did you?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
say that, no, he wasn't.
No, sorry, maybe not with thewhole movie, but he wasn't
satisfied with it.
And he wasn't happy with theway his dad was with Fritz, how
he was portrayed.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Because he was portrayed as a piece of shit.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, but apparently I suppose, and he probably was,
he probably was.
But he said I don't know what Ididn't read the whole thing, he
just saw he wasn't happy withthe way his dad was you know
that.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What was interesting is that Fritz, his character,
his persona as a wrestler waslike a Nazi simplifier yeah oh,
you looked that off.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, of course, that's why he kept the name von
Erika and didn't go with theother name.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, and Fritz sounds very German.
Yeah, bringing it back toSaltburn.
What didn't work?
What do we think could havebeen done better?
Improved upon.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I would say, upon a first view, not knowing anything
it's about.
I'm still quite confused.
Even though we're talking aboutit, there's still a lot of
elements in it that I'm stillnot understanding why, for
example, the bathtub scene Istill like.
I like it, but besides theshocking value of it, I don't
know what the point of thatscene is.
Yet Him shagging the grave.
(42:19):
I love the two minute long shotof him just shagging the grave
real weird.
But why is he crying and makinglove to that corpse or the dirt
above the corpse?
Like?
I don't understand why thatscene is there and what it means
.
Yet so, upon one.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I love the fact that you said making love rather than
just banging.
He's banging like you couldtell he was.
He was being really likeromantic.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
He was.
So they see the hip movement.
It was, it was, it was thoughtthat no.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But he was imagining himself Been there done that.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
No, so upon one view, we're not knowing anything.
What's about prior to it?
I'm still confused with a lotof scenes to is why they're
there and yeah, so I really wantto see it again, see if that
makes sense, but doesn't makesense.
To talk to you guys, she stilldon't quite know why.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I felt like my interpretation of the bathtub
scene was like swan energy drink, yes, energy drink.
I drink your milkshake Like innumb.
There will be blood, there willbe coming, there will be semen.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
The grave scene.
I think it's just like maybeit's just show, like visually
show this inner conflict of heactually did love Felix, but he
knew that he had to murder himfor him to get what he really
wanted.
Maybe there was an element ofsadness in that he really did
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love him because he put in a lotof effort to become what he
felt Felix wanted him to be oneof these little charity cases
that he could save.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Think of a toxic relationship.
You love the person but youstill feel all the pain and I
feel like the grave scene is himreleasing all of that, the love
and the pain because this doesbring up something right.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
If not for Felix looking up the parents, would
all of us have had to kill Felixfor his ultimate plan?
Because that, through a spannerin the works Felix took him to
see his parents, realized thathe's a fucking liar, that the
whole things are ruse, and thensaid you're out Like after the
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party, you're done.
And that's what kind of drivesOliver to then be like oh fuck,
I'm just gonna kill him Becausehe tried to reason with him and
be like I'm just trying to bewhat you want me to be.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I think it made him hurry to plan up a little bit.
I think it made him, it pushedhim to change the timeline a bit
, and just okay, cool.
I need to take action now.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
It also showed that he underestimated Felix as a
friend, because Felix'scompassion caused him to be like
oh, I'm gonna contact your mom,bring you together with your
family, because that's what'sright.
And he underestimated hiscompassion.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Any thing that you thought that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I thought everything kind of worked for me and I
always liked the kind of filmthat makes me not understand
fully.
So I kind of make up my owninterpretation Because at least
I'm thinking and I'm immersed ina film.
So I feel like to be honest,even though there are some
things that I still don't get it, I still think it kind of
worked for me personally.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
But it's not one of those movies where you know,
when people talk about it andpeople are very divided and
they're like, oh, you just don'tget it.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I don't get that vibe .
Speaker 1 (46:15):
This isn't like fucking Barbie, where everyone's
like you just don't get it.
It's okay to learn and watchthe movie and be like, oh,
there's something new there tograb onto.
There's a lot more to thismovie than I thought and there's
lots of symbolism and metaphorsand stuff like that Hidden
meanings.
And even after the first watch,even if I didn't fully
(46:38):
understand it, I still reallyenjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
So one out of five.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I'd give it a four and a half out of five.
Only thing that stops me is Ijust feel like it didn't have to
go as fucked up as it did.
I like the ending, Even thoughI feel like when I first watched
it I thought he was going todance around naked and they were
going to do an Austin Powersthing where they always hide the
(47:07):
dick.
It was swinging in full glory,you reckon it was a fake dick
because that was a massive dick,that was big.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I think it must have been fake.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I was saying to AJ?
I think it was because, likethey I reckon the directors they
were in a boardroom meeting andthey were like we need this
dick to be big to show howfucking much of a piece of
shitty is, that he would justhave his dick flopping around
and stuff like carelessly,whereas if it was a small dick
Because he's a guy with a bigdick pulling- that off.
Yeah, he had big dick energy inthat.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Big dick energy yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
That would have been a hilarious experience.
Imagine the actor just havingto choose a lineup of fake dicks
to wear.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Can you please put each one of these on and we're
going to judge which one suitsyou best.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
And it was just like a big, massive, like 16 inch one
, and and we have to look it upfor these actual fake dicks and
Barry's just like this is thedick I want, and they were like
no, it doesn't work.
Big black and 16 inch.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Fuck it out.
Hey Joe, what did you think?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
about the dick Five stars.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, just give us a writing on the dick.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I didn't realize it was that big.
I don't know.
It totally went over my head.
I was just like watching it.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, did you think the dick needed to be seen
though?
Like, is that a necessary shockvalue, or does it just kind of
become part of this coherent,shocking movie where it made
sense?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
I think after everything we've seen, it
doesn't make sense that the dickis there Well.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
I guess it's kind of like saying he has no shame at
all in that he got everything hewanted in the most violent,
despicable way.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, because there was also the motorbike standing
inside.
You see it.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
What was?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
In the first shot, where you see him naked Before
you see the dick, you just seehim from behind.
It was like a motorcycle in thebig hole.
There was not there before.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
And he also had the cocaine.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And he also had a cocaine.
Yeah, it was standing behindcocaine.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
And I also like how, like when they're in the field,
the thistle field, they had thatmoment would be like oh, I
didn't expect that Good for you.
And then they reveal at the endyeah, so you actually get to
see it.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Did you notice there was a photo?
I'm pretty sure.
Might have to double check, butI think when he did sniff the
cocaine at the end I think therewas a photo frame of him and
Felix next to the cocaine.
I didn't notice we're going toget the final ratings, so I had
four and a half Love it.
(49:56):
I think it's a bit too shockingat times, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think I give it four and a half too.
I don't really like the parthow like he kind of ends up
getting the whole thing and howhe murdered everyone.
I like it, but I don't.
I don't know there's somethingthere, let me think about it.
But I feel like I give it a 4.5because I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
What don't you like about the idea of him
essentially murdering everyone?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
It just felt a little bit too cliche compared to all
the other things in the movie.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I agree.
But the thing I really likedabout the movie is that the one
thing I didn't like is that hedid kill one person, which was
Felix.
He killed Felix For us.
He didn't kill anybody, he goteveryone to kill themselves.
That's the psychological thrilla bit that I really like,
because it didn't involve anyviolence.
It didn't involve, but yeah,it's just.
I think it's because he had tochange.
(50:49):
He would have gotten Felix killhimself eventually if Felix
didn't push for his parents.
That's why he had to push it.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
So through a spanner in the works, and that's why
that one part of his plane isn'tas tight as the rest of the
plane, even though when did heget the poison from?
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I don't really explain that, no, but if you
think about it, if it did throwa spanner in the works, he would
have gotten the poison fromsomewhere, because that must
have been Ryzen, that poisonthat you can't detect in the
body.
Oh, interesting, and that's notsomewhere you can get.
That's not something you canget somewhere, so he must have
(51:30):
had that already.
Maybe that's why he was soshocked when the waitress the
servants unpacked his suitcase.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Oh, interesting, yeah , but if that's the case,
wouldn't they have saidsomething though?
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Maybe they didn't find it, maybe he hid it very
well.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Interesting Because he hasn't left some.
Soap on.
Yeah, uh-huh, see, we're stilltalking about it.
Still talking about it.
Very well done maybe.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Well, and because of that I'm going to give it the
five stars.
Oh nice, just because I wasgoing to give it the four and a
half.
But now I don't think that'slike oh shit, so many little
things that they didn't includein the montage at the end that
we now are still discovering.
It's like oh shit, that momentthat he had that the lucky that
they didn't find it.
Perhaps, maybe I'm completelywrong, but I'm just going to say
(52:23):
it's that way that I'm going togive it the five stars Because,
like I said, I'm still confusedby a lot of the things that
happened, but I am 100% surethat everything has a meaning.
We just don't know what themeaning is yet, and it keeps you
talking, it keeps you thinking,it keeps you going over and
over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Makes you want to watch again.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
It makes.
Yeah, I want to watch it again.
I thought it was really good.
The shock values are so clean.
The good.
The psychological manipulationis very clean, it's clear, it's
understandable.
Every character is very, verywell developed and the casting
is just magnificent.
So I don't see a fold in themovie.
(53:01):
So I would give it the five outof five stars.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it.
That's the show, guys.
All right, great.
Well, we're going to wrap it upthere.
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That is it, guys.
Hey everyone, and welcome to another episode of
Movies Worth Seeing.
On today's episode, I'm MichaelPishonery, joined by Addy
A'Shula and AJ.
Special guest for today'sepisode who said you could?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
press my button.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Love it.
Speaking of pressing buttons,we're talking about Saltburn,
the latest dark comedy.
Would you call this a darkcomedy?
I call it fucked up.
A film that combines dark comedy, a critique of wealth and
psychological thrills.
Saltburn Today is a spoilerreview.
(00:40):
Spoiler talk because it isincredibly difficult to review
this movie without going intodetail, and I've had the great
fortune of seeing this movietwice now and AJ finally got to
finish it.
She got really scared andcouldn't finish it, but due to
our support she was able tofinish it today, which is great.
We're proud of you and Addy.
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For Addy it's one of hisfavorite movies now.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
He loves it.
I went into it without knowinganything about it and I regret
that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
But you loved every minute of it especially all the
gross fucked up scenes.
How do we start?
Ok, so how would you describethe plot of Saltburn?
I'd say it's like the Saltburnis like the talented Mr Ripley
in that it's a story thatinvolves an outsider coming into
a family of wealth andsystematically destroying them
(01:35):
and making them all come undone.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, like infiltrating into the, into
their property.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Something to do with class as well.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's so good to have a female on the show today, to
get a different perspective aswell, because otherwise we would
just be talking about Come Fuck, I was sucking.
I wasn't going to say that, butOK, it's good to know what's on
your mind, addy, when you're inthe room.
Ok, never mind, keep going.
Yeah, I guess it's hard not totalk about this movie without
(02:07):
talking about that becausethere's such prominent scenes
where it is a big character inthe whole theme of the movie.
Yeah, maybe I'm Barry Keeganman.
He is amazing, yeah, yeah, whatdid you guys think of his
performance?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I thought he was just like.
His presence was just.
He was just there, like therewas not a second.
You would question the realityof everything he's doing.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, great, great review of an actor's performance
, addy.
Like he was just there, I don'tknow he shows up and he's there
.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Well, I mean, that's a requirement, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.
So I mean, for some actors theycan't even do that, so that's a
good point, aj, what were yourthoughts on Barry?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I thought he was great.
Like the first half he wasreally awkward and shy, but then
the second half he brought thatconfidence and that creepiness
that, like, wasn't revealed inthe beginning.
That kind of shows his skills,I think.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I don't know, is it also kind of sexy in a way, in a
messed up way?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, there's a few scenes where he's like just like
whispering and I'm like I don'tfind you attractive, but
something's up.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, Addy was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Something was definitely up.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh man, and after seeing Promising Young Woman,
I'm sure you saw a lot of likecrossover, being that both films
are directed by a what's hername Emerald, I'm so bad with
names?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Fat, fano, oh no.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I'm so bad with names Emerald Fafanik or something.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Fano.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I think you're right.
I trust your opinion, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Well, Carrie Mulligan I love her.
She's my favourite actress,Even though she's got such a
tiny role in this film.
She was really funny.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Like really different .
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And the same with Rosamund Pike.
Like they're so good at beinglike these typical like oh, oh,
you are your beautiful darling.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Oh, your eyes are gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
But the others are just ghastly and they go go in
and get me a cup of tea.
Dude, Pop off, pop off, cheerio, I love it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So British.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh, I love it.
There was one quote where thedad, the patriarch of the family
, says damn it, you with yourAmerican feelings.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And I was like that's such a British thing to say.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Just criticise someone and say like oh, how
dare you be emotional.
That is purely American, notlike us Brits Love it.
Yeah.
What's stood out to you themost?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Where to start.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Everything that happened is just extremely
unexpected, like the twists.
It's not what the eventualsequence of events is, not that
Unexpected, but the way it'sdone, like Barry's character,
baza Baza.
Oh all of us Actions.
(05:17):
The way why he doesn't, how hedoesn't is just so twisted and
completely unexpected,especially while starting from
him and Venetia, venetia.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Venetia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, it'slike where?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
where did that twist come from?
That's the one question I have.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, we can break that down because, first thing,
well, when the twist, when, whenthis big shift happens for
Oliver, this character goingfrom this awkward shy to
sexually seductive and charmingand manipulative persona, james
Bond Sort of but in a darkversion of it, I guess, if James
(05:58):
Bond was gay and Bye.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oh yeah, if James Bond was bi, yeah, bye.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
And liked flopping his dick out everywhere.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah and fuck a grave .
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Why did he fuck the sorry?
We'll get back to that.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The best part of watching this movie was just
Addie's reaction of like wait,what, what the fuck?
Why is that happening now?
Where did that come from?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He just liked to stick his dick in every hole he
could find.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And did you relate to that, barry God?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yes, not very relatable.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
But it reminded me of someone.
Yes, yes, he did like to stickhis dick in a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
And his fingers.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And his fingers and his tongue.
Why do you really think therewas a big shift?
Or do you think it was just himhiding what he was all along?
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Well, yeah, he was definitely hiding what was going
on all along.
But what?
That's the one question I haveabout this movie, besides all
the other questions.
The big question I had is likewhere, why, how was he such a
charmer with her?
Where did that come from?
Suddenly, it was like from theshyest guy who was like afraid
(07:16):
to take anything from someoneelse kind of thing.
Even though there was there,was put on Like I get that it
was all played, manipulated, butwhere did something, the shift,
come from that he decided as acharacter?
Now it's my time to becomecharming.
Now it's my time to startmanipulating him fully, like
with the confidence, not just.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think that he did a really good job of surveying
the room and working out all thefamily's weaknesses, while in
that shy, awkward kind of cutesy, innocent persona.
And then he slurped the supersemen from the bathroom bathtub
and was like I have super powersof charm now.
(07:57):
And that's when he was like nowI need to make my moves.
But I think the the piece iswhat just kind of fell in a
place there when it seemedobvious to him that now's the
time to strike.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Is it that he like took each character privately,
Like in the public he was likeshy, but then like when he got
the chance to be with onecharacter in private everyone
except for Felix he would bringout his confidence and be like
completely eradicating theirconfidence, kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I think it's.
Yeah, I think it's like that,and also it's like a film
technique, I guess, to bring theaudience into those intimate
moments.
It's like a reveal.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, so it's not just the story, but it's also
for, like, how to shockaudiences or how to make the
story work.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, it was a good way of like putting a shocking
kind of shift right in themidpoint of the movie to be like
whoa.
You know I have to, because youprobably had an idea that it was
going to go one way.
And then that was the momentwhere the movie was like we're
going a completely differentpath now, yeah, where we realize
that Oliver is not actually thehero of this story, he's not
(09:14):
this innocent outsider that'sgoing to be used, abused and
thrown back to the, to the, tothe middle class, but he's
actually got his own plan inplace.
I thought it was like him,that's.
He was just always a chameleonand he just picked the right
moments to strike.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, mm, hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And, yeah, he got time one on one with all the
family members to survey theirweaknesses, work out what makes
them tick, and plant seeds withall of them and in a way, he
knew what they were going to dolike two steps ahead.
Two steps ahead which is why hewas able to like why flirting
(09:57):
with the sister.
He knew that Farley would seeit, complain to Felix and start
a whole thing there.
He knew that Farley was waitingfor opportunities to fuck him
up, which led to that great part.
He was like, oh, who should youfuck?
(10:18):
You could just fuck me.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
At one point you're like wait a sec.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Is he hitting on him sexually?
But actually no, it's just himsaying you fucked me over.
Now I'm literally going to fuckyou yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
And he did, did he?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
He did.
I gave him a handi.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, at least.
And the spit.
I assume the spit was the slidein.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
No, I don't know, you don't know, like you don't know
.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
I mean you don't know that could be.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I was assuming, see, the first time I saw it I
thought he was fingering theasshole.
The second time, upon furtherviewing, I realized that it
could be a handy.
We don't know.
It completely changes thedynamic of the scene whether
it's a finger up there or ahandy.
(11:11):
We might never know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
This is what Reddit forums Mike is going to watch it
a third time.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I have to make sure I know exactly.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I understand why you wanted to watch this twice.
Next time we can just skip tothese scenes, if you want.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'm sure there's lots of porn compilation.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Just those?
Oh God, that would be.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I did love writing in the notes that, like the sperm
gave him superpowers, likethat's a great film theory in my
mind there was an interestingthing that AJ said, though, you
brought up like vampires, andthey said someone said he's a
vampire at one point.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
He said himself you're lucky, I'm a vampire when
he was trying to lick theperiod.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yes, that makes me think that even though it's
really fucking gross andshocking that scene, it also has
another symbolic purpose to belike he is a literal vampire
feeding off the blood of therich, because otherwise I would
just look at that scene and gothat's super gross.
And it didn't have to go thatfar, which is what I felt about
(12:19):
a lot of the scenes in thismovie.
It was like the bathtub scene.
We didn't have to see him slopethe bathwater, we could have
just like alluded to it.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
But that's the whole point of movie.
They just like go like theywant to shock you, right.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, but why?
That's what I get to is like isthere really a purpose, or
could you take that out andstill have the movie
accomplishing what?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
it says how would you allude to a guy to consume
secondhand man juice out of abathtub man juice?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You would just like how do I put this?
In an appropriate manner forYouTube.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Man juice.
I don't know how.
How would you allude to that?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
There's lots of symbolism in this movie and
shots that perfectly illustratethat.
He is not all there, andthere's great ways that they use
lighting and colors to kind ofset this uneasy tone.
So I just think, with all thecreativity that they use to then
be like, oh, we're just goingto have a dude slip up bathwater
(13:22):
.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It's like but why did you do the bathwater?
That's the one thing I still Idon't understand, because you
didn't love anyone.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Felix has superpowers .
He wants to get the charismadude.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
That's how he got it.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No, but seriously though this could actually be,
so he's a vampire.
He's a come vampire.
Maybe there's a sexual charismathat he loves about Felix,
because there's something abouthim watching Felix always
hooking up with women, but hemakes this point that he doesn't
love him in that way, so itmakes me feel like he loves him,
(13:57):
but he is not in love with him.
Then he says he hates him atthe end.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I feel like he's really obsessed with him, not as
in like romantically, but justobsessed with the person.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Is it maybe obsessed with everything he has?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, and that's why, and that's why Maybe?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But then why?
So he takes everything he couldfrom him, including his manges.
But I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But I don't understand the banging of the
corpse like the actual.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Maybe like a final fuck you.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Oh, so a sign of disrespect.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Perhaps, but he cries .
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Maybe it's to fake in case someone sees.
So he can be like I'm justreally emotional.
And then they're like why isyour dick out?
He's like because I'm so upset,I'm so emotional, I miss him so
much.
I don't know.
He's a fucking weird character.
He's like very complex.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
But Look, it's a.
It's such a good movie.
I am 100% sure that it has ameaning behind that.
It's not just for the shockpurposes.
So that's what I'm trying towork out.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
What, yeah, exactly what do you think, aj?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
About what Like, why they went that far yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Do you think that there is a purpose behind going
that far with the shock value,or is it just purely to create
controversy and hook people towant to see it?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, I feel like if it was, if it's, if it didn't go
that far, if all the scenes arejust implied, then it would
just be like a normalpsychological thriller with good
cinematography, and I feel likeI probably wouldn't be as into
the style of it.
The shockiness is what I feellike stood out for me the most.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But then does that mean that the movie isn't as
good as we think it is, becauseall the best parts that we talk
about are the shock value.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
But I feel like it could also be because, like
every movie is about, likewealth and rich people have
always taken it really far,because in a sense, I guess
they're trying to show howhedonistic that world is,
because they're not like normalpeople.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, because we did touch on this.
There's a scene where they'rein a thistle farm and there's
Felix, his sister Venetia andtheir cousin Farley sitting
naked in the thistle garden, thefield, the fucking field.
They're sitting in the fieldand then Oliver comes and
(16:31):
they're like oh, you got to takeyour pants off, man, because
everyone does it.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, actually, why Now?
Yeah, you said oh, now Iunderstand it, now that you
watched it for a second time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, it's kind of coming back to like what AJ is
saying, that there's, when youcover a story on like this, this
family of excessive wealth,there's a feeling that because
of their excessive wealth,there's just a lack of moral
boundaries of any kind andthere's a feeling that just
anything goes, because it's likethey can do whatever they want.
(17:03):
So they choose to do whateverthey want and there's no
repercussions.
So therefore they're alwayspushing the boundaries and
therefore that scene was kind ofshowing me that it's really
fucked up in this family.
But it's just the norm that,like the brother and sister and
their cousin are going to benaked in a field and not think
(17:23):
anything of it, that it's notweird at all.
In fact, oliver is singled outas like you're so weird man I
can't believe you still got yourpants on, so okay.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
so basically, it is a really weird, strange lifestyle
that is completely foreign tohim, that he is adapting to to
work his way in and to push themout.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Well, it's also foreign to us, because we're
watching him thinking the samething.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
That was fucked up.
Yeah, because we identify assomeone who does not own a
building like Saltburn.
We identify more with Oliveruntil we realize that he's a
parasite.
So it's.
I think it's really to show,indeed, how different how the
(18:12):
two worlds between the twocharacters are so different,
whereas we identify with one andthen develop a comfortability
with the second world, with thegrandeur basically of the rich
vision and lifestyle that thefamily has, and then he blossoms
in that.
That said, though, that watchparasite it's so similar.
(18:34):
It's less messed up but waymore psychologically kind of
factor to it.
Watch it.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Nice.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I gotta say they really cast good on the style.
So Rosamund Pike in Gongo it'squite a similar style of like a
lot of twists and turns and likemessed up characters.
You have Carrie Mulligan, ofcourse, with promising young
woman and you have Barry Keeganfrom you haven't seen.
Benches of Finish Hearing Alsomessed up.
(19:07):
It's like all the three moviesin the three main characters.
Well, carrie Mulligan is notreally a main character but like
the three big actors who are init have done movies in the past
that are so similar.
It's like the thrill in thelegs selling this kind of style
of movie, and just works.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, even Jacob Elody is from Euphoria and his
character in Euphoria is kind oftoxic as well.
Really fucked up.
Who is he?
Felix, yeah, felix.
He's so hot he is so hot, he'sso hot.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I remember the first time I watched it and seeing
like all the shots of him, justlike.
I was like oh man, please don'tbe one of those movies Because,
like when you first watch it,you think it's just going to be
like this gay lover story.
And it's so much more than that, so much more.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I really thought it was going to be one of those
movies, but with you two likeanticipating on my reaction of
how it's, going to turn out.
I was like this is weird.
It's like a gay love story,such a romance.
You feel like these guys aregoing to make out and it's like
okay, but cringe, butsomething's off.
And it was off.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
It became a much more complex relationship because of
that.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah, yeah, like so complex, I don't even know what
it was.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just like Oliver just
wants to be him and become himand in this weird fucked up way.
That's why I like he does theslurping of the barf water His
superpower.
Yeah, to get the superpowers.
I mean, I say it as a joke, butthere's probably
(20:47):
interpretations that are sayinglike no, that's 100% what he's
going for there, Cause you doget this weird feeling that that
is the catalyst where hechanges completely and becomes a
different person.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Actually I got that the first time because I watched
the bathtub sing and then it'sthe sing with the mom, and he
was already like super confident.
So the first time I watched itI had similar thoughts too, like
did that give him?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
a little bit of a protein.
Oh Jesus, yeah.
The other great thing aboutthis movie is just yeah, the
cinematography and the colorsand, like the midsummer night's
dream themed party and you'vegot Oliver wearing these horns
and I love those horns becauseit's so devilish kind of thing,
(21:38):
right.
Yeah, and you got Felix withthe wings.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
The angel on the devil on the devil, just fucking
.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I love how like it's not full.
Full, frank, oh, like.
What kind of ratio would thatbe under?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
It was pretty much square, wasn't it?
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Slightly wider than tall, but it was pretty much
square.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
But it looks so good.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Looks so good.
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, it's funny with aspect ratios.
Sometimes they use specificones to get across something
Like like if it's square, orsomething to create like this
box, feeling that maybe thecharacters are contained, or
something like that.
You know, there's always likeweird symbolism behind some of
those decisions.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
They did it in Maestro for the purpose of like
decades, how each decade it'sdifferent ratio, but for this
one I feel like it's moresymbolic of rigid class
structure.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, no, there's definitely got to be a reasoning
behind it.
Fuck this so much.
I just love how this familyjust believes in like ignorance
is bliss, like their son diesand they're having lunch and
they're like you got to eat thecrepe like this.
(22:57):
And can we have eggs poached,please?
Thank you very much.
And like oh, yes, close thecurtains and like did you enjoy
the cake last night?
Oh, it was spectacular, wasn'tit?
Oh, and everyone else is likewhy the fuck are we just talking
about food when someone's died?
And the curtain this redcurtain closes and it's almost
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like it envelops the entirefamily now with the grief that
they're feeling from the death.
So it's so fucking well done.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It's like death is upon you now.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
And then boom, or maybe not death.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
but well, oliver well , oliver is death in a way
because boom sister is dead,father is gone, and then I know
how much time passed before thedad kills himself.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It was like 14 years it's 2006 to 2022.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
14 years.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yes, that brings up a point where I'm like that was a
very long plane.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Because we don't get an explanation really for what
happened to the father.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Kills himself.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
He did.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I'm pretty sure he killed himself yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Was it yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Because, as he died and then I'm surprised that he
took him so long, so that theyalluded to him committing
suicide Well, probably becausehis two children- killed
themselves.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
I guess my only complaint is we never get an
explanation for what happened toElspeth, to like for her to get
sick.
It just kind of comes out ofnowhere, which works out great
for Oliver.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah, I wonder if he did something.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's what I was thinking.
Did he poison her or somethingwhile living with her, because
he would have had access to alot of things.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
So she had an issue with her lungs because she had,
like, the air pump pumping inthe air and then he blew the
smoke into her face.
So it probably that he oh he,full ripped out the thing, no,
no yeah.
But before that he blew all thesmoke from the cigarette into
her face.
It's kind of like, and thesmoke ruins your lungs.
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So it feels like he didsomething to her lungs to make
her lungs messed up.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm just surprised that they explained almost
everything he did to a T butlike that part they just kind of
left open to interpretation.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
But they didn't explain that much, though.
At the end they had like alittle montage of like oh, I
know this and that, from themoment I saw you, I did do your
bike, kind of thing.
But there's a lot of thingsthat they didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's like how he killed the sister yeah, he put
the razor near the bathtub afterhe had that chat with her, so
he didn't really have to do much, though After Felix dies it
just creates.
I mean, it's kind of similar towhen we watched the Eye and
Claw, in that one death justcauses this domino effect
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because the family is so weakand full of vulnerable.
All it takes is just one pushand, like the whole family is
knocked out and for them, beingsuch a weak family that didn't
really have a strong kind offoundation, it was so easy to
take advantage of that and justcause one death and for it to
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spiral.
Yeah because to us, the viewers,it's so obvious what's wrong
with this family that they don'ttalk about a lot of things.
They take advantage of people.
They don't.
Obviously, the daughter is likean alcoholic and smokes a lot.
The son doesn't really give afuck, he's got a party lifestyle
(26:34):
.
The cousin is just a fuckingspoiled brat who's entitled and
doesn't do shit.
By the end of it you kind offeel like I don't know.
This family is kind of uselessin a way.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh very.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Very useless.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And maybe that's another thing that the film's
trying to communicate about likethe higher upper classes that
Like they have all this moneybut they don't do anything
worthwhile with it, they justfuck it all away.
And from Oliver's point of view, maybe that's one of the
driving forces behind himwanting salt burn is he feels
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that everyone there doesn'trespect it or they take
advantage of it.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I don't know.
Then he dances through houseflopping his dick around.
I don't think he respects thateither.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
In the cover.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I'm not saying it's logical, because this is a
fucking psycho.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I'm just saying in his point of view he could be
looking at it like they don'tdeserve this.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, because they didn't work for it.
He worked for it in a twistedway.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, I don't know if his parents worked for it, but
no, he worked to get the house.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Which he specifically said like I went to work Like.
Fortunately, I know how to work.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
When he was talking to Elspeth, confessing the
entire thing.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
That seemed to be a common thread in a lot of films
in recent years.
Have you ever seen Triangle ofSadness?
Or like Glass Onion, even?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh, Glass Onion.
Yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They all have that like rich, hedonistic world and
then, I guess, normal peoplecoming into it and then exposing
what their lives are like.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Well, there was an early scene in the movie where
this teacher sees Oliver andFarley About to discuss like
poetry essays or something likethat, and he kind of looks the
other way with Farley and islike, oh well, he's part of this
great family so he doesn't haveto do shit.
And Oliver is like busting hisass.
He's read all the essays andall the books and he knows
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everything.
So that kind of starts thewhole trend of what the movie is
going for, where the middleclass, they have to work extra
hard to be recognized, where,whereas the Welfare is just
based on who they know and theyjust get handed everything.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Remember, like that teacher the same teacher you're
talking about says like, oh yeah, oh, my God, I was with your
mom, right, like, oh no, no, no,I was an admirer from afar.
Probably eludes to a similarthing that happened Farley's mom
, who was related to, like thesister to, felicia's dad.
Felicia's dad was the one whohad salt burn right Because his
mom, rosamund Pike, was a model.
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So they were already rich, as Ilike it, because then it's like
generational.
Everybody was been alwaysadmiring them for their money
and for their wealth.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I thought it was really good too, because it made
it clear that the teacher wasnot didn't know them.
He was almost kind of like aweaker version of Oliver.
He was just someone thatadmired and wanted to be like
them but could never get closeto them and break through the
circle.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Favorite scene and you can't say the bathtub scene,
as much as I know you want to,eddie.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It is definitely the bathtub scene is definitely the
one that had the most, had methe most like what that Fuck is
going on.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I wish I recorded your reaction.
I got your reaction to theother parts in the movie yeah,
which you'll definitely have toput into this at some point.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Please do, please do send them through but favorite
scene.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I'll tell you mine.
Why do you think?
I really love the scene, asfucked up as it is.
I love the scene when Oliverreveals his whole sinister plan.
Because we don't know who istalking to the whole movie.
We're relying on him as thenarrator and the film does.
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This follows the I guess it'sbecome a cliche of the
unreliable narrator.
So the idea that the narratoris telling you everything, so it
must be the gospel truth.
And then you find out no, it'sjust their perception, which is
something that we've seen inmovies, like the usual suspects.
So you assume that this personcan't be the bad guy, because
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they're the narrator and we'relistening to them the whole time
.
And then it turns out they are.
I love that.
He reveals his whole story andwe don't know who he's talking
to.
And then they just give thissudden cut where we see Rosamond
Pike's face with therespirators all attached to her,
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and we realize that he's wonpretty much.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
I like the period blood scene.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Actually, I feel like that one has a really shocking
effect as well.
I don't know, somehow I justreally like the grossness of it.
I don't know which one camefirst again.
The bathtub first I like thatscene and I also like the scene
where he's talking to Fali Faliwhen he was like yeah, At the
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party.
Yeah, yeah, oh, when Fali'ssaying I always come back.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
That is a powerful scene.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's part of that whole, like wealth, like upper
class thing, no, no, no, she'stalking about it on the couch,
the couch when Talk about HenryI thought you were talking about
the Midsummer Night's DreamParty when Fali surprises Oliver
and Oliver's like what are youdoing here?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You can't be here, they're going to be mad.
And he's like don't you get it?
I always get to come back.
And it was that moment whereFali's just kind of like saying
like I always win Because I'mfamily and you'll never be that.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I like that scene too .
There's something satisfyingabout it, even though I'm not
supposed to like him, but it'slike it, just like he spoke the
truth probably.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Well, I think because Fali's been poking him a lot in
the movie and claiming thathe's nothing because of his
class.
So we actually startsympathizing for Oliver.
We want him to kind of fuckover Fali because he's such a
dick.
Like the way he condescendinglycriticizes him for having a
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rental tuxedo and stuff likethat.
It says that you're almostpassing by as like a human boy
because you're part of the eliteand you almost look like one of
us.
That actor was really good atmaking me fucking hate him.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, and he's American accent upon all the
Britishness Kind of did it too,I feel.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But that's one of the reasons why he was almost like
another outsider.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
He kind of was, he kind of wasn't outside.
That Parasited himself into thefamily as well in a way, but he
never he was a leech.
He was a leech and Oliver was aparasite.
A leech is kept on taking asmuch as he can until he got
ripped out and a parasite walksin and just takes over.
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Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And that was why the karaoke scene was really good
when they were singing that song, Because the song lyrics were
talking about like being, yeah,getting everything paid for you
and looked after.
And we saw Oliver be likeoffended at singing it put on
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show and then Oliver's like whydon't you come sing too Farley,
this is your song.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
That was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
That was a great moment, so subtle.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And it's like no one else knows what's going on
except them two.
Great, great story.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I feel like there's a lot of that kind of writing in
this film.
That's why I like it so much.
It's got the subtle momentswhere it's not on the nose
either.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Except when, except for the bar folks.
That's so subtle.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's literally on his nose.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I gotta say, though, since the movie industry is
making a comeback this year,like it started off with with
Maestro we saw at the end oflast year, then we saw Ironclaw
this week and now we're seeingSaltburn.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
You said four things.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
It's like what good movies were there last year.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh, Banshee's there's quite a few.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
There's quite a few good, but I feel like now it's
like look, you have a lot of theMarvel movies that came out of
last year.
They made billions, they werejust gigantic money-making
machines, but nobody liked them.
And now there's movies likethese that are coming out, and
I'm sure these ones did by farnot make as much money, by far
not as much revenue, becausethere's no fan base to present
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it to.
But it's quality.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well, technically, saltburn would have an inbuilt
fan base.
Because, emerald Fennel, I havethe fucking name, I'm sorry.
You are a good director, I justam bad with names.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Say it to her.
Come on, say it to her.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Emerald, as if she's gonna watch this.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Because this is her second film, a lot of people
would have been intrigued Like,oh my god, it's the director and
writer from Promising YoungWoman, and that's why I wanted
to watch this movie and alsobecause I heard it was really
fucked up.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, it's a small fan base that comes to see the
movie for the director, butthat's a smaller fan base than
some people that follow thewhole franchise.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Marvel movies, exactly, but I mean even the
Marvel.
People are sick of Marvel.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
That's what I mean.
Can I say I'm glad that thatera is coming to an end,
hopefully.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah, what's wrong with saying that?
Speaker 3 (36:49):
I want to still work, no, but I'm glad that you are.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
How dare you be glad that good movies are being made?
I know alright.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
No, but I'm so glad.
No, but I'm just so glad thatthe Marvel movies suck nowadays,
because they just do they suckfor a good while.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
People were still buying tickets.
But now, like people have wokenup and are like there's shit
and I know there's shit now,like I look at the poster and I
know that's gonna be a shitmovie, I'm not gonna bother.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, anyway.
Yeah, that's my point.
I'm glad that the movieindustry is shifting towards in
a good way.
Now shifting back to like goodoriginal movies of actual
stories and not just a remake ofold comic books, and I hope
that the musical phase isfinishing soon as well.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
It looks like it's just beginning.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah, oh god, looks like it's beginning.
And then all the biographies aswell, like some of them are
really good, it's just that.
Maestro is a biographies too,maestro is really good, but it
brought like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You mean like the Priscilla Alves kind of
biographies?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah, Look, some of them are good, but I prefer to
watch this still, because thisis original.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah Well, it's a proper story.
It's a proper story, you're notlocked in by the story of the
celebrity.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, because you have what's the name?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Bob Marley, Amy Winehouse.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, amy Winehouse is coming out.
Yeah, bob Marley coming out.
There's so many.
I think there's a couple more.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, priscilla, just came out the problem with
Biopix?
Speaker 1 (38:30):
is you know how it's gonna end?
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
There's no like secret twists and turns.
The only thing they can do isthe way they present it.
That's why people liked Elvis,because it was really like
creative and it dived more intothe story of him and his manager
.
But lots of people were stilllike, eh, we've kind of seen
this before.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, well, it was still a good movie, elvis.
But yeah, I mean, one Life wasmaybe we saw recently as well.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
One.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Life.
Yeah, I saw it in the movie.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I liked it.
It just doesn't yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
It's such an amazing story and the real life story is
so, so empowering.
And then the movie was actuallyvery disappointing.
Have you seen One Life?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
One Life.
Yeah, who's it about?
I don't remember the name.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
This guy who helped a lot of Jewish people during the
Second World War, is it yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:23):
He is British or American British.
He went to check Now Austria,and just before the war started
he shipped 669 Jewish children,the foster families in England,
who are still alive today.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I think the problem with that film, and also a lot
of biography nowadays, is thatthey tried to, they did do
amazing things and achievedgreat things, but it's just like
there's this glorification thatjust felt like I don't know,
like salt burn is fucked up.
You can't, you can't, reallyyou can't glorify yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well, it's always gonna be from a perspective like
an autobiography.
Like, for example, elvis isalways gonna have people from
Elvis's family in charge of itand there's always gonna be
certain things that they'regonna sugarcoat or they're gonna
not really go over.
Like they're not gonna go intodetail about the fact that, like
Elvis dated Priscilla when shewas really freaking young and
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stuff like that and the overdoseand the drugs, like they're
gonna like brush those thingsand focus more on the good
things.
So it creates this thing whereyou don't get the most authentic
biopic.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
That said actually iron claws, also biopic, exactly
.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
And one of the things we said about iron claws is
that it's too much, like youcould tell it's a biopic,
because it's.
It's got to follow these beatsof the biography and then by the
time it's got to go back tobeing a movie.
It kind of wraps everything upat the end in a nice little bow
and is like, oh, that's theending and we felt like it was
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really rushed.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
By the way, kevin wasn't happy with it.
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I thought he was who's Kevin.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
He's one of the guys.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
That guy from the character.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, the wrestler.
Oh okay, where did you?
Speaker 3 (41:13):
say that, no, he wasn't.
No, sorry, maybe not with thewhole movie, but he wasn't
satisfied with it.
And he wasn't happy with theway his dad was with Fritz, how
he was portrayed.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Because he was portrayed as a piece of shit.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, but apparently I suppose, and he probably was,
he probably was.
But he said I don't know what Ididn't read the whole thing, he
just saw he wasn't happy withthe way his dad was you know
that.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
What was interesting is that Fritz, his character,
his persona as a wrestler waslike a Nazi simplifier yeah oh,
you looked that off.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah, of course, that's why he kept the name von
Erika and didn't go with theother name.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, and Fritz sounds very German.
Yeah, bringing it back toSaltburn.
What didn't work?
What do we think could havebeen done better?
Improved upon.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I would say, upon a first view, not knowing anything
it's about.
I'm still quite confused.
Even though we're talking aboutit, there's still a lot of
elements in it that I'm stillnot understanding why, for
example, the bathtub scene Istill like.
I like it, but besides theshocking value of it, I don't
know what the point of thatscene is.
Yet Him shagging the grave.
(42:19):
I love the two minute long shotof him just shagging the grave
real weird.
But why is he crying and makinglove to that corpse or the dirt
above the corpse?
Like?
I don't understand why thatscene is there and what it means
.
Yet so, upon one.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I love the fact that you said making love rather than
just banging.
He's banging like you couldtell he was.
He was being really likeromantic.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
He was.
So they see the hip movement.
It was, it was, it was thoughtthat no.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
But he was imagining himself Been there done that.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
No, so upon one view, we're not knowing anything.
What's about prior to it?
I'm still confused with a lotof scenes to is why they're
there and yeah, so I really wantto see it again, see if that
makes sense, but doesn't makesense.
To talk to you guys, she stilldon't quite know why.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I felt like my interpretation of the bathtub
scene was like swan energy drink, yes, energy drink.
I drink your milkshake Like innumb.
There will be blood, there willbe coming, there will be semen.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
The grave scene.
I think it's just like maybeit's just show, like visually
show this inner conflict of heactually did love Felix, but he
knew that he had to murder himfor him to get what he really
wanted.
Maybe there was an element ofsadness in that he really did
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love him because he put in a lotof effort to become what he
felt Felix wanted him to be oneof these little charity cases
that he could save.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
Think of a toxic relationship.
You love the person but youstill feel all the pain and I
feel like the grave scene is himreleasing all of that, the love
and the pain because this doesbring up something right.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
If not for Felix looking up the parents, would
all of us have had to kill Felixfor his ultimate plan?
Because that, through a spannerin the works Felix took him to
see his parents, realized thathe's a fucking liar, that the
whole things are ruse, and thensaid you're out Like after the
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party, you're done.
And that's what kind of drivesOliver to then be like oh fuck,
I'm just gonna kill him Becausehe tried to reason with him and
be like I'm just trying to bewhat you want me to be.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I think it made him hurry to plan up a little bit.
I think it made him, it pushedhim to change the timeline a bit
, and just okay, cool.
I need to take action now.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
It also showed that he underestimated Felix as a
friend, because Felix'scompassion caused him to be like
oh, I'm gonna contact your mom,bring you together with your
family, because that's what'sright.
And he underestimated hiscompassion.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Any thing that you thought that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I thought everything kind of worked for me and I
always liked the kind of filmthat makes me not understand
fully.
So I kind of make up my owninterpretation Because at least
I'm thinking and I'm immersed ina film.
So I feel like to be honest,even though there are some
things that I still don't get it, I still think it kind of
worked for me personally.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
But it's not one of those movies where you know,
when people talk about it andpeople are very divided and
they're like, oh, you just don'tget it.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
I don't get that vibe .
Speaker 1 (46:15):
This isn't like fucking Barbie, where everyone's
like you just don't get it.
It's okay to learn and watchthe movie and be like, oh,
there's something new there tograb onto.
There's a lot more to thismovie than I thought and there's
lots of symbolism and metaphorsand stuff like that Hidden
meanings.
And even after the first watch,even if I didn't fully
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understand it, I still reallyenjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
So one out of five.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I'd give it a four and a half out of five.
Only thing that stops me is Ijust feel like it didn't have to
go as fucked up as it did.
I like the ending, Even thoughI feel like when I first watched
it I thought he was going todance around naked and they were
going to do an Austin Powersthing where they always hide the
(47:07):
dick.
It was swinging in full glory,you reckon it was a fake dick
because that was a massive dick,that was big.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I think it must have been fake.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
I was saying to AJ?
I think it was because, likethey I reckon the directors they
were in a boardroom meeting andthey were like we need this
dick to be big to show howfucking much of a piece of
shitty is, that he would justhave his dick flopping around
and stuff like carelessly,whereas if it was a small dick
Because he's a guy with a bigdick pulling- that off.
Yeah, he had big dick energy inthat.
Speaker 3 (47:38):
Big dick energy yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
That would have been a hilarious experience.
Imagine the actor just havingto choose a lineup of fake dicks
to wear.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
Can you please put each one of these on and we're
going to judge which one suitsyou best.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
And it was just like a big, massive, like 16 inch one
, and and we have to look it upfor these actual fake dicks and
Barry's just like this is thedick I want, and they were like
no, it doesn't work.
Big black and 16 inch.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Fuck it out.
Hey Joe, what did you think?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
about the dick Five stars.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, just give us a writing on the dick.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
I didn't realize it was that big.
I don't know.
It totally went over my head.
I was just like watching it.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yeah, did you think the dick needed to be seen
though?
Like, is that a necessary shockvalue, or does it just kind of
become part of this coherent,shocking movie where it made
sense?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
I think after everything we've seen, it
doesn't make sense that the dickis there Well.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
I guess it's kind of like saying he has no shame at
all in that he got everything hewanted in the most violent,
despicable way.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, because there was also the motorbike standing
inside.
You see it.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
What was?
Speaker 3 (49:08):
In the first shot, where you see him naked Before
you see the dick, you just seehim from behind.
It was like a motorcycle in thebig hole.
There was not there before.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
And he also had the cocaine.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And he also had a cocaine.
Yeah, it was standing behindcocaine.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
And I also like how, like when they're in the field,
the thistle field, they had thatmoment would be like oh, I
didn't expect that Good for you.
And then they reveal at the endyeah, so you actually get to
see it.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
Did you notice there was a photo?
I'm pretty sure.
Might have to double check, butI think when he did sniff the
cocaine at the end I think therewas a photo frame of him and
Felix next to the cocaine.
I didn't notice we're going toget the final ratings, so I had
four and a half Love it.
(49:56):
I think it's a bit too shockingat times, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I think I give it four and a half too.
I don't really like the parthow like he kind of ends up
getting the whole thing and howhe murdered everyone.
I like it, but I don't.
I don't know there's somethingthere, let me think about it.
But I feel like I give it a 4.5because I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
What don't you like about the idea of him
essentially murdering everyone?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
It just felt a little bit too cliche compared to all
the other things in the movie.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I agree.
But the thing I really likedabout the movie is that the one
thing I didn't like is that hedid kill one person, which was
Felix.
He killed Felix For us.
He didn't kill anybody, he goteveryone to kill themselves.
That's the psychological thrilla bit that I really like,
because it didn't involve anyviolence.
It didn't involve, but yeah,it's just.
I think it's because he had tochange.
(50:49):
He would have gotten Felix killhimself eventually if Felix
didn't push for his parents.
That's why he had to push it.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
So through a spanner in the works, and that's why
that one part of his plane isn'tas tight as the rest of the
plane, even though when did heget the poison from?
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I don't really explain that, no, but if you
think about it, if it did throwa spanner in the works, he would
have gotten the poison fromsomewhere, because that must
have been Ryzen, that poisonthat you can't detect in the
body.
Oh, interesting, and that's notsomewhere you can get.
That's not something you canget somewhere, so he must have
(51:30):
had that already.
Maybe that's why he was soshocked when the waitress the
servants unpacked his suitcase.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Oh, interesting, yeah , but if that's the case,
wouldn't they have saidsomething though?
Speaker 3 (51:44):
Maybe they didn't find it, maybe he hid it very
well.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
Interesting Because he hasn't left some.
Soap on.
Yeah, uh-huh, see, we're stilltalking about it.
Still talking about it.
Very well done maybe.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Well, and because of that I'm going to give it the
five stars.
Oh nice, just because I wasgoing to give it the four and a
half.
But now I don't think that'slike oh shit, so many little
things that they didn't includein the montage at the end that
we now are still discovering.
It's like oh shit, that momentthat he had that the lucky that
they didn't find it.
Perhaps, maybe I'm completelywrong, but I'm just going to say
(52:23):
it's that way that I'm going togive it the five stars Because,
like I said, I'm still confusedby a lot of the things that
happened, but I am 100% surethat everything has a meaning.
We just don't know what themeaning is yet, and it keeps you
talking, it keeps you thinking,it keeps you going over and
over and over and over again.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Makes you want to watch again.
Speaker 3 (52:40):
It makes.
Yeah, I want to watch it again.
I thought it was really good.
The shock values are so clean.
The good.
The psychological manipulationis very clean, it's clear, it's
understandable.
Every character is very, verywell developed and the casting
is just magnificent.
So I don't see a fold in themovie.
(53:01):
So I would give it the five outof five stars.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much it.
That's the show, guys.
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