February 6, 2024 • 39 mins
Step into the narrative ring with us and special guest Adi Aishua as we explore the emotional landscape of "The Iron Claw," a film that brings the tumultuous tale of the Von Erich wrestling dynasty to life. Zac Efron's portrayal of family and fame dives deep into the Von Erich clan's journey, marked by patriarch Fritz's heavy hand and the brothers' search for validation amidst the chaos of the ring. Listen closely as we dissect the actors' stunning physical metamorphoses and the poignant depiction of brotherhood that resonates far beyond the wrestling arena, a testament to the film's powerful storytelling.
The conversation takes an unexpected turn when we geek out over a He-Man cameo, playfully considering digital wig makeovers and the alchemy behind the iconic transformation. We waltz through the film's soundtrack, lose ourselves in the era's beats, and unpack how music underscores the emotional pulls of the narrative. With Adi Aishua's fresh perspectives and our shared enthusiasm, we peel back the layers of the on-screen relationships that amplify the drama and tug at the heartstrings.
Wrapping up the episode, we venture into the broader realm of cinematic storytelling, drawing parallels with Brendan Fraser's return to the spotlight in "The Whale" and the artful direction of movies that leave a lasting impact. Our musings wander into the daring territory of "Epstein the Musical" before grounding back to the reflections on the Von Erich saga, offering listeners a hearty mix of history, tragedy, and the riveting complexities of family legacy. Tune in for a discussion that's as gripping as the wrestling moves it depicts, and stay for the unexpected detours that make this episode truly one-of-a-kind.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey everyone, and welcome to another episode of
Movies Worth Seeing.
On today's episode, I'm joinedby Adi Aishua.
Hi Aishua Aishua.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Aishua, aishua, aishua, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm Michael Pishneering and I'm the host,
and today we are talking aboutthe Iron Claw, the latest
wrestling.
What do you call this?
A biopic?
I mean it's based on a truestory.
It's starring Zac Efron andeveryone else's names I forget,
but they're really good.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What's his name?
Again, the Bear.
What's his name?
The Dude from the Bear?
I'll say I'm going to have tolook that up because that's
going to be too embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I love how we're just like.
All the performances are reallygreat, but we can never fucking
remember any of these actors'names.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Lily James.
I remember Lily James.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh yes, lily, James, jeremy.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Allen White.
That's right, jeremy AllenWhite.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Jeremy Allen White.
He looks like a beast.
And Zac Efron.
Zac Efron looks like a jackedMatthew McConaughey, like on
steroids.
He looks like MatthewMcConaughey from Dazed and
Confused.
But if he was on steroids,pretty much this whole movie
kind of reminded me of Dazed andConfused because I think it's
set around that same time frameof like 80s, seven, late 79 to
(01:19):
86.
This is a time period, yeah,anyway, the iron claw stars
those people and covers theemotional kind of conflict
involved with Fritz von Erich.
He is the patriarch of the vonErich family and he has an iron
claw over all of his childrenwhere he pressures them into
(01:44):
fitting into his little mold ofbecoming professional wrestlers.
And we say we see the cracks inthe family relationships form
as a result of this unbelievablepressure that he puts on his
children to to try and achievehis dreams that he never got to
(02:04):
achieve pretty much.
And, yeah, the horrible effectsthat happen when parents
pressure their children beyondtheir limits.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's a very nice spoiler.
Free synopsis of the wholemovie.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Is it really?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, pretty much.
That's actually literally whatthe movie is about.
It's about the family dynamicsand how it breaks down due to
the pressure of the parent of ait's also a tyrannical dad in a
traditional family setting ofthe 70s, 80s, 90s.
That's exactly what the movieis.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And it's also about wrestling, which is funny
because Addy is not a wrestlingfan at all.
I am a massive wrestling fan.
I'm actually going toWrestleMania this year, which is
the biggest wrestling event inthe world.
Yeah, and Addy, I didn't knowanything about the Von Erichs,
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though I knew that there was alot of horrible things that
happened to this family, but Ididn't know specifically, so I
went in, similar to you, notknowing a lot of how this was
going to play out.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And it was fucking amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It was really funny because, when we walked in and I
started watching the movie, Iwas like oh, this is really good
.
The first shot, absolutelyamazing.
And then they started wrestlingand I was like fuck, these
punches are fake.
And then I figured out it wasWWE.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, wrestling is scripted.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Corey, I know that I just didn't put one and one
together.
I thought it was actualwrestling, not WWE, so I thought
it was boxing or something likethat.
I knew it was some sort offighting, but I didn't expect
the fake one.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're going to be careful using that word fake
around a wrestling fan bro.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm going to get some negative comments from
wrestling fans.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, just blip that out.
It's scripted, it'schoreographed.
Anyway, one of the interestingthings was, as soon as we
started watching this, all thewrestling scenes felt so
visceral and raw to me, and it'sinteresting because it's a
choreographed fight, you get theemotions and intensity behind.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It was just so real, mm right and you felt like you
were in really in the ring.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
There was lots of close up shots that really
immersed you into the ring.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, it was really nice because, like, when
you see the WrestleMania, likein real life, like on TV, it's
they're acting, of the actors,of the restless is Average at
best, you know, just like aspeech, but it's like OK, cool,
interesting.
Sometimes they're like reallygood bits.
But in this movie, even thoughthe talking was a bit, yeah, you
(04:33):
can, you can see, it's scripted, but the fighting, even though
it was scripted andchoreographed, dude, it was
intense, it was real, it wassincere, it was real emotions,
real rawness coming through it.
It was actually really nice tosee.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And I think that was because the actors knew that
everything we do, even in thewrestling scenes, it's not just
us wrestling.
There's always got to beemotion behind it and pretty
much the whole film is themtrying to impress their dad and
get that validation.
So when they go out wrestlingthey're 100 percent trying to
(05:09):
sell it, trying to sell theintensity because they're
they're fighting with all thisraw emotion of I'm going to be
the best at this, I'm going tosuck the crowd in.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Absolutely.
And like speaking of the dad,like you were saying before, I
thought what they movie did sowell is embracing the
masculinity of the era.
It's.
This is the hard reality oftraditional was a traditional
family of that time.
This is the harsh truth, thisis, this is just the fucking way
it is, and there was nosugarcoating it.
It was just realism.
(05:38):
And it was hard, real, hard,real pressure from the dad to
achieve his dreams.
It's the tyranny that drovethis family from greatness of
the potential greatness to itsabsolute demise.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, the kids have like a strong respect for their
dad.
Yes, sir, Like well, yeah,that's like soldiers, they just
take commands.
There's no arguing with any ofhis rules or instructions, but
that's the way it was then, nomatter how much you disagree you
shut the fuck up and you do it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes sir, no sir, it's like the army kind of thing,
which he treated them like as ifthey're his army.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, it's brutal.
The interesting thing about thestory is it covers this.
There's this myth in the familylegacy that there's a curse,
and the whole movie we see whythey believe that there is
(06:40):
actually a curse on this familybecause of all these tragic
things that keep happening, oneafter another.
And you start to see how itaffects them, in that some of
these people don't want anyoneto be close to them because
they're actually afraid thatthey're going to infect other
people with their curse.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, so Kevin's real fear is, yeah, each child has
their own fears, which isexplored extremely well, even
though Kevin is the maincharacter and the others are
like the side characters.
Every single child's fear isexplored so well and for Kevin,
it was the curse which gives himthe issues in his life that he
(07:20):
has, which comes in between hisrelationships with the people
around him, whereas for theother children, for David, what
was it for David?
His fear it was.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I think David's fear was that he wasn't going to live
up to the potential because heended up surpassing his other
brother.
Yeah, there was still notenough.
And his father was like he'sgoing to be champion first, then
this one's going to be champion, then you, then you.
He's actually saying like allmy children are going to be the
(07:51):
top 1%.
They're going to reach theabsolute pinnacle of this sport,
one after another, and it wasmeant to be Kevin.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It was meant to be Kevin from the beginning.
It was meant to be Kevin andthen spoiler alert it turns out
to be David who's going to reachthe top first, and that just
broke him.
He did everything he could tosupport his brother, get there,
and then he overtakes it, andthen the fear of the family,
like his fear, was the familyfalling apart, and he was the
cause of it because of his dad'spressure.
Then you got Kerry, who justwanted to do the Olympics.
(08:24):
He just wanted to do what hisdream was, which was the
Olympics and the Discus, butgets pressured into wrestling
and wrestling and it was like abig honor for him.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, it wasn't, but it is because it's of his dad.
It feels like once the Olympicsdoesn't work, the father's just
like all right.
As soon as you found out thatthe Olympics isn't going to work
, all right, you're coming to dowrestling, whether you like it
or not, because you've got to dosomething.
And he was just like okay, Iguess I'll do wrestling.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir.
And then you have, of course,mikey the little one.
Yeah, well, he was just, I'mpretty sure he was homosexual.
He had like a few veryhomosexual moments, like very
flamboyant, but he was likecloseted, definitely holding in
Really.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I didn't think I was going to.
Yeah, you didn't notice it.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, but then when they were playing the music in
the garage and his brotherspicked him up, the way he was
walking out is like cool.
He just came out of his elementwhere he was himself, and then
he covered it up.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, he was a closeted homosexual wanting to
make music in his life andfollow the arts.
But again he went intowrestling because the pressure
of his family, mainly of coursefrom his dad, from a tyrannical
dad who again pressures on whathe wants for that, just from the
way he was walking out of thegarage.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He just was like you made the full, like he is
definitely closet homosexual.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The way he was walking, the way he was talking,
there was little littleintonations the way he was
talking, a few little wordchoices that he had.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But you do that.
You walk like that all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Stop it.
Okay, that's going to be good.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, but maybe they should have made that more
obvious.
Had him like reading a Playgirlmagazine with like no?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
no, they shouldn't, and that's why I fucking love
the movie so much is becausethey didn't.
It was just such as littlesubtle moment and I could be
wrong as well, but it was justlike cool.
It's part of it because itwould never be an accepted by
his dad.
So it's not even a point ofbringing up.
It was such a secret even forthe audience it's kind of like a
secret.
But if you pay attention, Ijust noticed it I have a very
strong gator.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, I've noticed that you're very good at picking
up any kind of gayness.
It's almost like you've drawn.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You've been up from this side here.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, because anywhere there is gayness,
you're like, hey, I'm here, ohgood, maybe it's me this whole
time.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, no, no, so yeah , like, and then he won't just
want to go from music and Iguess what he ends up in
wrestling and that becomes hisdemise as well.
So everybody has their fear andhas their, has their fear, and
everybody has their, theirdreams.
But they have to give up theirdreams and they have to, you
know, just deal with the fear ofthe things that they don't want
to do because of their, theirtyrannical dad.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You know, this kind of reminds me now of the more
we're talking about it, ofprevious scenes and I'm thinking
like, oh, that makes more sense.
Like remember when so we'regetting into spoiler territory
Kevin's first date with Pam.
They have a conversation andPam says what do you want in
life?
He's like I want more ribs, andthen even though it's, funny we
(11:31):
had ribs after the movie.
But there was like now that Ithink about it, that was
probably the first time anyonewas like what do you want to do
with your life rather than justbeing?
And it actually caught him softguard.
He was like I want ribs.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah.
And he wants to become the bestwrestler, but he wants more
than that he wants to be withhis family, all right.
So it's like, yeah, he startsup with a joke because he
doesn't know how to handle thatquestion.
It's a very loaded question.
It's never been asked before,probably and then joke, and then
what he meant to say and thenwhat he really wants.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, right, oh.
The chemistry between LilyJames and Zac Efron was great
too.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I still can't get over the fact that he is going
to be he-man soon.
He just looks like he-man.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He does.
Here's a photo.
He is he-man.
Yeah, you can't just have it beme.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
No, no, no, you'd like the hair I can wear a wig.
I'll Photoshop a wig on yourhead.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I'll do that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
AI wig with like can you do AI wigs Someday?
We can.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I probably could just upload a photo of you and be
like add a he-man wig on top ofthis guy.
Yeah, I'll try, we'll come upwith something.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We'll come up with something Especially.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Shove it into a chat, gpd4, and they'll do it for you
.
Yeah, yeah, no, but he justlooked like he-man Fucking super
big real round.
I don't know how he got such around head.
He didn't have a round head.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It felt like a stretch to image a little bit.
He got some kind of surgerydone, did he, yeah, and are just
fine, smooth enough to looklike an owl.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That should be fine.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Do you like it?
I don't know.
I don't know how it's like.
Like for real for this man.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Idon't.
I don't know if it was not forthe movie.
He actually did get some kindof surgery, something to do with
his jaw, cause it's.
It's different If you go like,go into when you edit this, look
out like photos of him, cause Iswear he is definitely.
(13:19):
There's been articles and stuffabout it that he has gotten
surgery done.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, cause it felt at times where they just he's
big but they like stretch theimage a little bit sideways to
make him look even bigger, causeeverything was a little bit out
of proportion.
Everybody was a little bit fatat the normal.
Everybody's a little bit widerthan normal.
Don't want to get cancelled.
Everybody was a little bitbigger than normal.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You got to base someone to get cancelled first
of all, so I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Everybody's fucking obese.
Everyone's a fat fuck.
That's it Now.
Everybody's a little bit biggerthan normal Cause it felt like
it was just stretched a littlebit sideways.
But anyway, how good was themusic choice.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Oh, like Russian or these cool bands, dude went to
the lobster Fuck, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You know what the lobster?
Which one Everyone fears thereaper.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Oh, don't fear the Reaper by blue oyster cold the
fuck, did you say Red lobster?
Were you thinking of rocklobster?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Rock lobster.
I was thinking of rock lobster,what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's a completely different song.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's rock lobster Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Anyway, yeah, the song choices in this movie are
fantastic because it's set in atime frame, a period of time
when music was actually fuckinggood.
I'm just flustered, it's okay.
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Why don't you say the lobster?
Have you seen the lobster inthe movie?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, column Farrell.
Yeah, so good, I don't know whythat just.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I don't know why that just grouped up my mind Anyway.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Each actor's performance added depth and
likeability to their respectiveroles.
I feel the film effectivelyillustrates the different
personalities of the brothers.
But one thing the film doesexceptionally well is all the
guys playing the brothers like.
Their chemistry, their love foreach other, their compassion
towards each other is soabundantly clear that when it's
(15:22):
all crumbling, it feels youreally feel the emotional
breakdown.
You feel it.
You feel like that sadness.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But it was just such a good relationship between the
three, four brothers.
It was just there were suchgood friends.
There was no bad blood betweenthem, not naturally.
The bad blood started to getbetween them when the dad
started to press on them.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, there was manufactured competitiveness
between them.
Yeah, but even then theyweren't as competitive with each
other.
No, they were still verysupportive.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And that was made.
That's what made it so good,because, like, the dad is just
not directly but kind of try tobreak their relationship as much
as possible because he wantedto excel and want to be, want to
excel and then the others liveup to it.
So he just tried to pull themapart from us in a way, and then
, but their way of stayingtogether and supporting each
(16:17):
other has made it so good.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, fritz von Erich has this weird strategy of like
I'm just going to focus on thetop child push them up into the
stratosphere, get the othersjealous, and then the others
will get jealous and they'll allcrawl up to him.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Which kind of worked?
If you think about it, it kindof worked, as they're all.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, they're all dead except for Kevin, so it
didn't work.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It worked to a degree , like Kind of didn't work.
No, no, it worked to a degree.
But then they grew and thenHolt didn't Holt's character
right, what's the name, fritz?
He didn't grow.
So he kept on putting the samepressure, even though the
brothers were ready forsomething new, like for their
dad to grow with them and acceptthe way everything is and just
(17:01):
keep building on each other,because that's not their
strength.
But their dad kept pushing thesame thing and then eventually
that cracked the relationshipbetween the brothers and that
went wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And also, even when a brother reached a level of
success, they knew that I haveto hold the success now forever.
It's not like I can reach thesuccess and now relax and the
pressure of having to maintainthat now to keep their father
happy, and also knowing thateven once you reach this goal
(17:33):
for example, kerry winning thistitle belt he just knew that the
father was like, oh yeah, butwhen are you going to win this
belt?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
After every peak of a mountain is a higher mountain,
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, and he's just always got a higher mountain
ready.
Yeah, definitely.
It always feels like what's thepoint if there's always a
higher mountain?
Yeah, exactly, I liked yourinterpretation of the whole
because the mother of the familydoesn't really have much of a
role and she's not really thereany kind of support.
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She doesn't provide any supportto any of the children, which
causes more of a breakdown,because now you've got the
father always pushing them andno one's stopping him and saying
you're pushing them too hard.
And when the eldest son, kevin,says this to his mother and
says I think that my father ispushing Michael too far, she
(18:28):
gives him no reassurance orsupport at all.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, let them figure it out between them.
Yeah, and I don't want tointerfere.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So it gives the impression that, like for a
family to succeed, you need abalance from both parents.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, and that's a very strong element in a movie
that, yeah, it's.
You need the woman of the house, the mother, the mother, to
step up, take action, step up,stop the dad, like.
There needs to be a balancebetween the mom and the dad of
the woman and the man of thehouse to create, to give that
safe space, kind of.
Thing as well, to grow, not justa tyrannical dad of keep going,
(19:04):
you're better than him, so youshould work harder, kind of
thing.
It's like the mother step inand just give a little bit of
care.
It's okay, because the dad justcreated wounds, created wounds
and the mom didn't heal them.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, and that was the biggest shock for me
watching this, because I didn'tknow what to expect from this
film.
And the first big scene whereall of the children are sitting
down together having breakfast.
The father clearly says nowthis is the ranking of how much
(19:35):
I love all of you.
Kevin is number one, david'snumber two, carrie's number
three and Michael your last.
I was like what kind of a pieceof shit.
Just ranks their children butalso tells the children the
ranking.
And he's like, oh hey, hey, theranking can change though.
I was like what a fucking pieceof shit.
(19:58):
Yeah, and the movie becomesthis whole journey of will this
father ever realize that theirparenting caused all of this?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, the mother kind of realized at the end.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But what?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
makes?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
she think she realized it Because I spoiler
alert once again when Kerrykills himself.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
When the last of the children dies.
But besides Kevin, she's likeshe blames the dad.
Like, is that why she's sodistant?
It's like I didn't cook.
I'm not hungry, I'm doing what.
I want to do Okay, that's goodyou wanting us to do anymore,
because look what it brought us.
But so, speaking of the ending,right, because it's like that
(20:45):
bit Now that I'm saying this outloud, I realize that I love
that little, tiny little scene,because the only thing you see
is the dad coming home, likealways, but this time there's no
food ready.
He's like what are we eating?
And she's like I don't know.
It's like have you madeanything?
No, I haven't.
What are you doing?
That's it.
That's pretty much the wholedialogue.
(21:07):
But that said so much becauseshe was like I'm not fucking
doing your chores anymore,that's it.
You can cook for yourself.
I'm not going to be the lady ofthe house anymore like I used
to be.
I'm not going to be run over byyou like a tyrannical bastard
that you are.
Like all that is just unsaid,but it was just in actions and
the silence of it, right.
But then you get to the very,very ending, where between Kevin
(21:27):
and his children, it's likethey had to just say exactly
what the message was and it'slike not needed you could get
that message without thechildren having that shitty
dialogue.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But isn't, couldn't, an argument being made that the
children, like theyinstinctually, are just like,
like there's no filter, theyjust say it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, but, yeah.
But I mean there should alwaysbe some kind of filter, because
you're writing a movie, you'rewriting a message, like you can
get the kids to say dad, man up,like I could say that too,
because there's no filter, right.
So as a writer I would say, like, cut those children lines out
and do that through physicalbehavior or emotional behavior.
(22:11):
Give the dad, give Kevin arethese finally for the first time
or second time?
Because he had one tear whenKerry died Not only finding
cries.
Let the kids not say it's okay,dad, everybody cries.
No, just let him cry, give hima hug.
That's the same acceptance.
You just don't have to fuckingsay it Same as, like the mother,
(22:32):
didn't have to say anything.
She just did what she wanted todo.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I think that was more that they were worried the
ending wouldn't be satisfyingenough.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I didn't think it was satisfying at all now.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I didn't think it was satisfying either because I
wanted to see more of a happyending, Like I wanted to.
But I mean because it's basedon a true story, and a very
tragic true story, Because themovie is so focused on all the
negative stuff that happenedthat it's like how do we put it
back into balance with all thispositive stuff?
(23:05):
That can be the final note thatwe leave the audience on to get
them home happy.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I understand what you're saying.
I feel they didn't need to makeit a happier ending because,
like you, have the very, veryending one day, like after
credits, we're like, oh, andKevin is not this old and
there's seven kids and 13grandchildren.
They're all live on the ranch,like they said they were going
to do.
They kind of have that kind ofhappy ending.
They could have filmed that too.
They could have realized thatit's more in the movie, kind of
(23:33):
thing.
Make that ending.
I feel like that's like aclosed ending, whereas now they
have a bit of an open ending.
It's like, oh, he finallylearned to accept his feelings,
his emotional side, not just afucking physical masculinity,
but also like everybody can cry,kind of thing.
You know, like you can beemotional, you can feel.
You're allowed to have sorrow orguilt or something like that,
(23:55):
or fear or or sadness, whateversadness, you know that's.
That's a beautiful ending.
I just feel like the lines fromthe kids just ruined that
moment, because it was horrible.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I think it's more the kids acting that pissed
you off.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
The kids.
I hate child actors that can'tact yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Like it was a really important scene.
So for the kids to not nail itwas disappointing because it's
like the last scene, it's soimportant and Zach Airfront's
fucking bringing it.
He's bringing like emotionalmachine guns in that scene.
The other thing you reminded meof with the with the mother,
(24:34):
remember how the mother was notin the shot.
She was purposely blocked out.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was out of his life.
Yeah, yeah, you're, you'reright.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Shit, that's good.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
That was good shit.
Yeah, this movie had a lot ofmoments like that where it could
have.
It could have just done whatevery other movie does and show
Okay, spoiler alert thischaracter gets into a motorbike
accident.
All right, how are we going toshow that?
Okay, he said that he's gone togo for a ride.
(25:09):
He's on the motorbike.
We're seeing closeups of hiseyes, kind of like darting
around, and then it shows likethe motorbike is going in a
straight line rather than on oneof the other streets, and then
there was like a jarring cut andwe just see someone waking up
from bed.
We have no idea who it is.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It was in that shot at night.
You saw something moving in thebackground.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh, you saw a light.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, you saw a light it was moving and it was like
uneven kind of thing.
So you knew he was goingstraight towards it and you saw
the emotion in his eyes.
You knew he was on aself-destructive mission.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So you feel we did it on purpose?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, none of the.
He did it on purpose, but hewas purposefully careless, like.
it's not like he ran into a war,hit the car on purpose, but
it's more like if I do, Iwouldn't care because, I just
want to get all my anger out onthe road instead of having a
conversation with his dad andtell his dad to shut the fuck up
, because even though he got thefucking title, it was still not
(26:09):
good enough.
He achieved everything his dadwanted to achieve in his
lifetime and it's still not goodenough.
So he got so upset, right.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, no, no, no.
I'm just thinking about it.
I'm like, wow, yeah, it's fullon, it's full on even as we talk
about it.
I'm like, fuck, what a moviethe way it did that and I just,
yeah, I just love the way thatyou weren't.
You kind of knew what was goingto happen, but you weren't sure
how it was going to show up,and then it kept you guessing.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, yeah, like it was actually a little bit
predictable to a certain degree,like certain moments were very
predictable, yet they still cameas a surprise.
Yeah, because it just wasn't.
It was a very quick set uppayoff kind of thing.
It's like oh, it leaves you aquestion like oh my God, did he
just really do that?
We don't know.
And then he did, but fuck, heactually did it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, it's just a fucking great.
There was lots of moments whereand I think the wrestler uses
this technique as well wherethere's lots of like, crowd
noise and like the aura andatmosphere of the ring, the epic
breakers and then a jarringjump cut to like silence in a
different scene, to like showpurposefully how jarring it is
(27:29):
to just go from like this peakto all right.
Now we're going to go to theharsh reality of the spotlight
to life.
Yeah, and the wrestler trust ofit does that so fucking well.
You'd love the wrestler If youloved this.
You would love the wrestler.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I don't like wrestling, but I love the movies
.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I'm keen to watch the wrestler, definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Were you like the whale.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right, I haven't seen the whale yet.
I know, bro, I know it's astand out.
I've seen the whale.
You like it.
I fucking loved it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I thought it was great.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I want to see Brandon Fraser so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
His acting is incredible.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
What does it have to do with wrestling?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Because Darren Aronofsky directed the wrestler
and he directed the whale.
So I thought, if you've seenthe whale and you liked that
very similar style, I'll lovethe whale, regardless of what it
is, because Brandon Fraser nomatter.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Hey, that doesn't matter what how shit it would be
or could be, it's BrandonFraser, I would love it.
If it's a porn with justBrandon Fraser getting a Bukaki
for 17 guys, I'd still watch it.
It's Brandon fucking Fraser.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So, like Dudley Do-Right, monkey Bone Bedazzled
all those shit movies he did.
You loved them.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Since his comeback.
Since his comeback, I just likehis story of his come.
You know the story right, yeah,why he's been away for so long.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's just like the fact that he gets back into it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, he got sexually harassed by people in the
Hollywood circle and then hevoiced that and then he got
completely blacklisted andnobody wanted to work with him
anymore for like 10, 12 years orsomething like that, since
Mummy, and then now he finallymade a comeback.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Who harassed him Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, it was some director.
He was like kept on slappinghis ass and grabbing his ass
kind of thing.
He's just like dude, don'tfucking touch me.
And then he tried to talk aboutit publicly and then they
completely blacklisted him.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He should have went all fucking, jerry O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, he tried, but nothing worked.
But he tried to keep his actingcareer as well.
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
The fuck is his name in the Mummy.
Anyway, he should have went allfucking.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Chuck Norris on a?
Yeah, Chuck Norris.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And just punched their dicks.
Just a dick's the sole problem.
Yeah, but like punched them, sothey won't like it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Punch hard.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So they'll feel pain.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Talking about a Weinstein circle.
Like they would love beingpunched in the dick.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
There's lots of guys who are going to be more than
happy to punch them in the dickin prison.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So if they love it, then they'll love it even more
in prison.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
No, anyway, you're making it really hard to see any
like karmic value from themgoing to jail.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Epstein, the musical.
This is included.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Fuck no.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
On that note.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, like overall we are.
I highly recommend the Angkor,I think, if you love tragic
movies similar to the Wrestlerby Darren Aronofsky, or if or
the Whale, another very similartype of film.
Like these depressing movies,but also there's a shining light
(30:48):
at the end of the tunnel and Ithink that the iron claw has
something for everyone.
Wrestling fans are obviouslygoing to come to it to want to
see wrestling history, butthey'll also be entertained by
the great chemistry between allthese actors, the hard hitting
performances by Zac Efron andJeremy Alan White, yes, and
(31:14):
solid visual storytelling.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
But, he was Lance from Eric.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh, so he is an actual wrestler.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I don't, but he was in it.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
He, he was playing a backup wrestler.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
OK.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh, that's the guy that played Ric Flair.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He does not look like him at all.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
They did really well Aaron Dean Dean.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
They just put a wig on him.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, oh, he does have muscles.
That's real cool.
Dick Harrison yeah, david, andMike Fenarex, danny Simmons.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Oh, the chick from Lyle Lyle was in this movie.
Which chick, that chick.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh, that's the mum.
That's the mum from Lyle LyleDores.
Oh shit, and they evenrecognize her.
Anyway, one to five, what wouldyou?
What score would you give theiron claw?
Four and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Only thing was similar to you I felt like the
ending just lacked a real punch,and I asked me first.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I was going to say the exact same thing, Dick.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, there was something about that ending that
just didn't leave me completelysatisfied.
But the more we talk about it,the more I'm like oh, this part
was really good too, and thispart like.
So I know, overall it was agreat movie, and I just didn't
see myself going back to it,though Like maybe one other time
(32:43):
, to really analyze things atthe start and see what I missed.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, because, like, everything we talked about now
is like, oh yeah, cool, you'resaying things that I didn't
realize.
Like the moment with a camerawould go out of focus.
Those little bits is like cool,I didn't even notice it.
I'm keen to see that now.
I'd love to go to see it again,not in a cinema, I'll probably
wait for it to come on streaming, so it's anything.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I'm more interested in seeing the real life footage
of like how the fuck was KeriVon Erich wrestling with one
foot?
What did he look like in reallife?
Or what did Kevin Von Erichlook like?
What did all three of them looklike when they would wrestle in
the sportatorium in Texas, likein this three way matches and
stuff like that?
(33:22):
That's what I'm more interestedin.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So question actually see, if you know it.
By the way, why is it Kevin VonErich, keri Von Erich, david
Von Erich, mike Von Erich andwhatever the youngest brother
said that early?
Who's Lance from Eric?
Why is it a different name?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I don't know he was playing like a backup wrestler
or some shit, so he must just belike a less important character
.
He was only like in one scene.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, but it's the same name.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, I don't know, maybe he's a cousin or some shit
.
He's actually a really goodwrestler.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's what Jacob Friedman.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, he's a fucking great bad guy.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, you should watch his stuff.
It's hilarious.
What was your final rating?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I would very similar to what you were saying.
Give it a four and a half outof five.
Pretty good, pretty damn nearperfection, because I thought it
was actually a lot of really,really, really fucking good
material in the movie Absolutelybrilliant.
Only thing I would say it didleave me a little bit of a sour
taste the very end, like I wassaying before those kids, that
(34:34):
final lines.
It just was not necessary.
The final scene between the momand the dad, doris and Fritz, is
so good because it sets you tothink and realize, now that
we're talking about it, whatthat scene actually meant.
It sets you to think, it setsyou up to continue to think
(34:55):
about the message of the movie,whereas the final scene between
four Kevin, which is the maincharacter, leading, leading
character of the whole movie, ischewed out.
It just chewed and surf to youon a silver platter of like it's
okay, dad, everyone cries.
(35:17):
It's like, yeah, if, if, if thekid didn't just say that but he
just hugged his dad and gavethat acceptance through his just
just accepting that from who?
He is not wiping the tears away, it's letting it be and the
kids is loving him regardless ofit and accepting and being
proud of that, that, regardlessof him crying or not, that would
(35:40):
set you to think.
It's like, oh, I could actuallythink about that and be like
fuck, that was good, I can seethat and then we'll be at an
open ending and it gives yousomething to talk about because
it's in silence.
It is story told throughbehavior and not just through
the words, because the behaviortold the story and the words
just left it with a sour taste.
But for the rest, I don'tchange or take out anything or
(36:02):
add anything out of the movie.
Getting it, stepping into itnot knowing anything about it,
only knowing that Zac Efronlooks like he man and that he
put on some muscle and lookslike a beast.
And then, two seconds beforethe movie, you told me that
Jeremy Allen Widerson from thebear, not knowing he was going
to be jacked up, just like that,I caught on to what the movie
is about real quick.
Like I was saying before, Ilove that when that happens in a
(36:24):
movie.
And then the twist and theturns and the demise of the
family.
It was just so well done.
Not knowing anything prior toit, I would give it a five out
of five out of five stars if thekids were just to be told to
shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So this is what I'm getting right.
This is Addie's magical endingthat he wanted.
The father, kevin, is crying byhimself.
The two children come up what'swrong, daddy?
And he pile drives both of themthrough giant tables, flaming
tables, and then you would be onthe line.
(37:07):
Shut the fuck up, that's whatyou were.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Masculinity?
Yeah, no, look, I wouldn'tchange much.
It's literally the small littlething that comes to me.
What's going on?
That he tells that same storythat he was saying, because I
thought it was really touching,it was really nice, and then the
kids just didn't say anythingafterwards instead of saying
it's OK, daddy, everybody cries.
Now just shut up, give him ahug and just let him sit there
(37:30):
in his emotions and tears andgive him that acceptance and
love.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Maybe he could have said to them shut up and just
give me anything to make thosechildren shut up like honestly
really have it in for thesechildren.
Fucking hate you now You'd loveJurassic Park because children
are just constantly in dangerthe part in shreds.
Not, not on camera.
Well, they don't like, like.
(37:53):
They're constantly in danger ofbeing annihilated by dinosaurs.
Love it and screaming like asit almost slaughtered.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So it sounds like your kind of movie.
Epstein the musical is going tobe.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Why are you bringing that back.
People are just going to belike why the fuck do you keep
randomly bringing up Epstein,the musical oh?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
shit, you're going to cut that out, right?
I?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
don't know, I don't know.
No one listens, so I don't careyeah cool awesome.
Awesome.
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Speaker 2 (38:37):
There's a good.
I was Cut.
Hey everyone, and welcome to another episode of
Movies Worth Seeing.
On today's episode, I'm joinedby Adi Aishua.
Hi Aishua Aishua.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Aishua, aishua, aishua, nice to meet you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm Michael Pishneering and I'm the host,
and today we are talking aboutthe Iron Claw, the latest
wrestling.
What do you call this?
A biopic?
I mean it's based on a truestory.
It's starring Zac Efron andeveryone else's names I forget,
but they're really good.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
What's his name?
Again, the Bear.
What's his name?
The Dude from the Bear?
I'll say I'm going to have tolook that up because that's
going to be too embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I love how we're just like.
All the performances are reallygreat, but we can never fucking
remember any of these actors'names.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Lily James.
I remember Lily James.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh yes, lily, James, jeremy.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Allen White.
That's right, jeremy AllenWhite.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Jeremy Allen White.
He looks like a beast.
And Zac Efron.
Zac Efron looks like a jackedMatthew McConaughey, like on
steroids.
He looks like MatthewMcConaughey from Dazed and
Confused.
But if he was on steroids,pretty much this whole movie
kind of reminded me of Dazed andConfused because I think it's
set around that same time frameof like 80s, seven, late 79 to
(01:19):
86.
This is a time period, yeah,anyway, the iron claw stars
those people and covers theemotional kind of conflict
involved with Fritz von Erich.
He is the patriarch of the vonErich family and he has an iron
claw over all of his childrenwhere he pressures them into
(01:44):
fitting into his little mold ofbecoming professional wrestlers.
And we say we see the cracks inthe family relationships form
as a result of this unbelievablepressure that he puts on his
children to to try and achievehis dreams that he never got to
(02:04):
achieve pretty much.
And, yeah, the horrible effectsthat happen when parents
pressure their children beyondtheir limits.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That's a very nice spoiler.
Free synopsis of the wholemovie.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Is it really?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, pretty much.
That's actually literally whatthe movie is about.
It's about the family dynamicsand how it breaks down due to
the pressure of the parent of ait's also a tyrannical dad in a
traditional family setting ofthe 70s, 80s, 90s.
That's exactly what the movieis.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And it's also about wrestling, which is funny
because Addy is not a wrestlingfan at all.
I am a massive wrestling fan.
I'm actually going toWrestleMania this year, which is
the biggest wrestling event inthe world.
Yeah, and Addy, I didn't knowanything about the Von Erichs,
(02:51):
though I knew that there was alot of horrible things that
happened to this family, but Ididn't know specifically, so I
went in, similar to you, notknowing a lot of how this was
going to play out.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
And it was fucking amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It was really funny because, when we walked in and I
started watching the movie, Iwas like oh, this is really good
.
The first shot, absolutelyamazing.
And then they started wrestlingand I was like fuck, these
punches are fake.
And then I figured out it wasWWE.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, wrestling is scripted.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Corey, I know that I just didn't put one and one
together.
I thought it was actualwrestling, not WWE, so I thought
it was boxing or something likethat.
I knew it was some sort offighting, but I didn't expect
the fake one.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You're going to be careful using that word fake
around a wrestling fan bro.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm going to get some negative comments from
wrestling fans.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, just blip that out.
It's scripted, it'schoreographed.
Anyway, one of the interestingthings was, as soon as we
started watching this, all thewrestling scenes felt so
visceral and raw to me, and it'sinteresting because it's a
choreographed fight, you get theemotions and intensity behind.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It was just so real, mm right and you felt like you
were in really in the ring.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
There was lots of close up shots that really
immersed you into the ring.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, it was really nice because, like, when
you see the WrestleMania, likein real life, like on TV, it's
they're acting, of the actors,of the restless is Average at
best, you know, just like aspeech, but it's like OK, cool,
interesting.
Sometimes they're like reallygood bits.
But in this movie, even thoughthe talking was a bit, yeah, you
(04:33):
can, you can see, it's scripted, but the fighting, even though
it was scripted andchoreographed, dude, it was
intense, it was real, it wassincere, it was real emotions,
real rawness coming through it.
It was actually really nice tosee.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And I think that was because the actors knew that
everything we do, even in thewrestling scenes, it's not just
us wrestling.
There's always got to beemotion behind it and pretty
much the whole film is themtrying to impress their dad and
get that validation.
So when they go out wrestlingthey're 100 percent trying to
(05:09):
sell it, trying to sell theintensity because they're
they're fighting with all thisraw emotion of I'm going to be
the best at this, I'm going tosuck the crowd in.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Absolutely.
And like speaking of the dad,like you were saying before, I
thought what they movie did sowell is embracing the
masculinity of the era.
It's.
This is the hard reality oftraditional was a traditional
family of that time.
This is the harsh truth, thisis, this is just the fucking way
it is, and there was nosugarcoating it.
It was just realism.
(05:38):
And it was hard, real, hard,real pressure from the dad to
achieve his dreams.
It's the tyranny that drovethis family from greatness of
the potential greatness to itsabsolute demise.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, the kids have like a strong respect for their
dad.
Yes, sir, Like well, yeah,that's like soldiers, they just
take commands.
There's no arguing with any ofhis rules or instructions, but
that's the way it was then, nomatter how much you disagree you
shut the fuck up and you do it.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes sir, no sir, it's like the army kind of thing,
which he treated them like as ifthey're his army.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, it's brutal.
The interesting thing about thestory is it covers this.
There's this myth in the familylegacy that there's a curse,
and the whole movie we see whythey believe that there is
(06:40):
actually a curse on this familybecause of all these tragic
things that keep happening, oneafter another.
And you start to see how itaffects them, in that some of
these people don't want anyoneto be close to them because
they're actually afraid thatthey're going to infect other
people with their curse.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, so Kevin's real fear is, yeah, each child has
their own fears, which isexplored extremely well, even
though Kevin is the maincharacter and the others are
like the side characters.
Every single child's fear isexplored so well and for Kevin,
it was the curse which gives himthe issues in his life that he
(07:20):
has, which comes in between hisrelationships with the people
around him, whereas for theother children, for David, what
was it for David?
His fear it was.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I think David's fear was that he wasn't going to live
up to the potential because heended up surpassing his other
brother.
Yeah, there was still notenough.
And his father was like he'sgoing to be champion first, then
this one's going to be champion, then you, then you.
He's actually saying like allmy children are going to be the
(07:51):
top 1%.
They're going to reach theabsolute pinnacle of this sport,
one after another, and it wasmeant to be Kevin.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It was meant to be Kevin from the beginning.
It was meant to be Kevin andthen spoiler alert it turns out
to be David who's going to reachthe top first, and that just
broke him.
He did everything he could tosupport his brother, get there,
and then he overtakes it, andthen the fear of the family,
like his fear, was the familyfalling apart, and he was the
cause of it because of his dad'spressure.
Then you got Kerry, who justwanted to do the Olympics.
(08:24):
He just wanted to do what hisdream was, which was the
Olympics and the Discus, butgets pressured into wrestling
and wrestling and it was like abig honor for him.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, it wasn't, but it is because it's of his dad.
It feels like once the Olympicsdoesn't work, the father's just
like all right.
As soon as you found out thatthe Olympics isn't going to work
, all right, you're coming to dowrestling, whether you like it
or not, because you've got to dosomething.
And he was just like okay, Iguess I'll do wrestling.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir.
And then you have, of course,mikey the little one.
Yeah, well, he was just, I'mpretty sure he was homosexual.
He had like a few veryhomosexual moments, like very
flamboyant, but he was likecloseted, definitely holding in
Really.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I didn't think I was going to.
Yeah, you didn't notice it.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, but then when they were playing the music in
the garage and his brotherspicked him up, the way he was
walking out is like cool.
He just came out of his elementwhere he was himself, and then
he covered it up.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Oh, very interesting.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, he was a closeted homosexual wanting to
make music in his life andfollow the arts.
But again he went intowrestling because the pressure
of his family, mainly of coursefrom his dad, from a tyrannical
dad who again pressures on whathe wants for that, just from the
way he was walking out of thegarage.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
He just was like you made the full, like he is
definitely closet homosexual.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
The way he was walking, the way he was talking,
there was little littleintonations the way he was
talking, a few little wordchoices that he had.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But you do that.
You walk like that all the time.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Stop it.
Okay, that's going to be good.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, but maybe they should have made that more
obvious.
Had him like reading a Playgirlmagazine with like no?
Speaker 2 (10:09):
no, they shouldn't, and that's why I fucking love
the movie so much is becausethey didn't.
It was just such as littlesubtle moment and I could be
wrong as well, but it was justlike cool.
It's part of it because itwould never be an accepted by
his dad.
So it's not even a point ofbringing up.
It was such a secret even forthe audience it's kind of like a
secret.
But if you pay attention, Ijust noticed it I have a very
strong gator.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, I've noticed that you're very good at picking
up any kind of gayness.
It's almost like you've drawn.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You've been up from this side here.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, because anywhere there is gayness,
you're like, hey, I'm here, ohgood, maybe it's me this whole
time.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, no, no, so yeah , like, and then he won't just
want to go from music and Iguess what he ends up in
wrestling and that becomes hisdemise as well.
So everybody has their fear andhas their, has their fear, and
everybody has their, theirdreams.
But they have to give up theirdreams and they have to, you
know, just deal with the fear ofthe things that they don't want
to do because of their, theirtyrannical dad.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You know, this kind of reminds me now of the more
we're talking about it, ofprevious scenes and I'm thinking
like, oh, that makes more sense.
Like remember when so we'regetting into spoiler territory
Kevin's first date with Pam.
They have a conversation andPam says what do you want in
life?
He's like I want more ribs, andthen even though it's, funny we
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had ribs after the movie.
But there was like now that Ithink about it, that was
probably the first time anyonewas like what do you want to do
with your life rather than justbeing?
And it actually caught him softguard.
He was like I want ribs.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah.
And he wants to become the bestwrestler, but he wants more
than that he wants to be withhis family, all right.
So it's like, yeah, he startsup with a joke because he
doesn't know how to handle thatquestion.
It's a very loaded question.
It's never been asked before,probably and then joke, and then
what he meant to say and thenwhat he really wants.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, right, oh.
The chemistry between LilyJames and Zac Efron was great
too.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I still can't get over the fact that he is going
to be he-man soon.
He just looks like he-man.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
He does.
Here's a photo.
He is he-man.
Yeah, you can't just have it beme.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
No, no, no, you'd like the hair I can wear a wig.
I'll Photoshop a wig on yourhead.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I'll do that.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
AI wig with like can you do AI wigs Someday?
We can.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I probably could just upload a photo of you and be
like add a he-man wig on top ofthis guy.
Yeah, I'll try, we'll come upwith something.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We'll come up with something Especially.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Shove it into a chat, gpd4, and they'll do it for you
.
Yeah, yeah, no, but he justlooked like he-man Fucking super
big real round.
I don't know how he got such around head.
He didn't have a round head.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It felt like a stretch to image a little bit.
He got some kind of surgerydone, did he, yeah, and are just
fine, smooth enough to looklike an owl.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That should be fine.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Do you like it?
I don't know.
I don't know how it's like.
Like for real for this man.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, Idon't.
I don't know if it was not forthe movie.
He actually did get some kindof surgery, something to do with
his jaw, cause it's.
It's different If you go like,go into when you edit this, look
out like photos of him, cause Iswear he is definitely.
(13:19):
There's been articles and stuffabout it that he has gotten
surgery done.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, cause it felt at times where they just he's
big but they like stretch theimage a little bit sideways to
make him look even bigger, causeeverything was a little bit out
of proportion.
Everybody was a little bit fatat the normal.
Everybody's a little bit widerthan normal.
Don't want to get cancelled.
Everybody was a little bitbigger than normal.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
You got to base someone to get cancelled first
of all, so I don't really care.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Everybody's fucking obese.
Everyone's a fat fuck.
That's it Now.
Everybody's a little bit biggerthan normal Cause it felt like
it was just stretched a littlebit sideways.
But anyway, how good was themusic choice.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Oh, like Russian or these cool bands, dude went to
the lobster Fuck, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
You know what the lobster?
Which one Everyone fears thereaper.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Oh, don't fear the Reaper by blue oyster cold the
fuck, did you say Red lobster?
Were you thinking of rocklobster?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Rock lobster.
I was thinking of rock lobster,what the fuck is happening.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's a completely different song.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
That's rock lobster Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Anyway, yeah, the song choices in this movie are
fantastic because it's set in atime frame, a period of time
when music was actually fuckinggood.
I'm just flustered, it's okay.
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Why don't you say the lobster?
Have you seen the lobster inthe movie?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, column Farrell.
Yeah, so good, I don't know whythat just.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I don't know why that just grouped up my mind Anyway.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Each actor's performance added depth and
likeability to their respectiveroles.
I feel the film effectivelyillustrates the different
personalities of the brothers.
But one thing the film doesexceptionally well is all the
guys playing the brothers like.
Their chemistry, their love foreach other, their compassion
towards each other is soabundantly clear that when it's
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all crumbling, it feels youreally feel the emotional
breakdown.
You feel it.
You feel like that sadness.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
But it was just such a good relationship between the
three, four brothers.
It was just there were suchgood friends.
There was no bad blood betweenthem, not naturally.
The bad blood started to getbetween them when the dad
started to press on them.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, there was manufactured competitiveness
between them.
Yeah, but even then theyweren't as competitive with each
other.
No, they were still verysupportive.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
And that was made.
That's what made it so good,because, like, the dad is just
not directly but kind of try tobreak their relationship as much
as possible because he wantedto excel and want to be, want to
excel and then the others liveup to it.
So he just tried to pull themapart from us in a way, and then
, but their way of stayingtogether and supporting each
(16:17):
other has made it so good.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, fritz von Erich has this weird strategy of like
I'm just going to focus on thetop child push them up into the
stratosphere, get the othersjealous, and then the others
will get jealous and they'll allcrawl up to him.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Which kind of worked?
If you think about it, it kindof worked, as they're all.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, they're all dead except for Kevin, so it
didn't work.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It worked to a degree , like Kind of didn't work.
No, no, it worked to a degree.
But then they grew and thenHolt didn't Holt's character
right, what's the name, fritz?
He didn't grow.
So he kept on putting the samepressure, even though the
brothers were ready forsomething new, like for their
dad to grow with them and acceptthe way everything is and just
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keep building on each other,because that's not their
strength.
But their dad kept pushing thesame thing and then eventually
that cracked the relationshipbetween the brothers and that
went wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And also, even when a brother reached a level of
success, they knew that I haveto hold the success now forever.
It's not like I can reach thesuccess and now relax and the
pressure of having to maintainthat now to keep their father
happy, and also knowing thateven once you reach this goal
(17:33):
for example, kerry winning thistitle belt he just knew that the
father was like, oh yeah, butwhen are you going to win this
belt?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
After every peak of a mountain is a higher mountain,
kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, and he's just always got a higher mountain
ready.
Yeah, definitely.
It always feels like what's thepoint if there's always a
higher mountain?
Yeah, exactly, I liked yourinterpretation of the whole
because the mother of the familydoesn't really have much of a
role and she's not really thereany kind of support.
(18:06):
She doesn't provide any supportto any of the children, which
causes more of a breakdown,because now you've got the
father always pushing them andno one's stopping him and saying
you're pushing them too hard.
And when the eldest son, kevin,says this to his mother and
says I think that my father ispushing Michael too far, she
(18:28):
gives him no reassurance orsupport at all.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, let them figure it out between them.
Yeah, and I don't want tointerfere.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So it gives the impression that, like for a
family to succeed, you need abalance from both parents.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, and that's a very strong element in a movie
that, yeah, it's.
You need the woman of the house, the mother, the mother, to
step up, take action, step up,stop the dad, like.
There needs to be a balancebetween the mom and the dad of
the woman and the man of thehouse to create, to give that
safe space, kind of.
Thing as well, to grow, not justa tyrannical dad of keep going,
(19:04):
you're better than him, so youshould work harder, kind of
thing.
It's like the mother step inand just give a little bit of
care.
It's okay, because the dad justcreated wounds, created wounds
and the mom didn't heal them.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, and that was the biggest shock for me
watching this, because I didn'tknow what to expect from this
film.
And the first big scene whereall of the children are sitting
down together having breakfast.
The father clearly says nowthis is the ranking of how much
(19:35):
I love all of you.
Kevin is number one, david'snumber two, carrie's number
three and Michael your last.
I was like what kind of a pieceof shit.
Just ranks their children butalso tells the children the
ranking.
And he's like, oh hey, hey, theranking can change though.
I was like what a fucking pieceof shit.
(19:58):
Yeah, and the movie becomesthis whole journey of will this
father ever realize that theirparenting caused all of this?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, the mother kind of realized at the end.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But what?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
makes?
Speaker 1 (20:15):
she think she realized it Because I spoiler
alert once again when Kerrykills himself.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
When the last of the children dies.
But besides Kevin, she's likeshe blames the dad.
Like, is that why she's sodistant?
It's like I didn't cook.
I'm not hungry, I'm doing what.
I want to do Okay, that's goodyou wanting us to do anymore,
because look what it brought us.
But so, speaking of the ending,right, because it's like that
(20:45):
bit Now that I'm saying this outloud, I realize that I love
that little, tiny little scene,because the only thing you see
is the dad coming home, likealways, but this time there's no
food ready.
He's like what are we eating?
And she's like I don't know.
It's like have you madeanything?
No, I haven't.
What are you doing?
That's it.
That's pretty much the wholedialogue.
(21:07):
But that said so much becauseshe was like I'm not fucking
doing your chores anymore,that's it.
You can cook for yourself.
I'm not going to be the lady ofthe house anymore like I used
to be.
I'm not going to be run over byyou like a tyrannical bastard
that you are.
Like all that is just unsaid,but it was just in actions and
the silence of it, right.
But then you get to the very,very ending, where between Kevin
(21:27):
and his children, it's likethey had to just say exactly
what the message was and it'slike not needed you could get
that message without thechildren having that shitty
dialogue.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
But isn't, couldn't, an argument being made that the
children, like theyinstinctually, are just like,
like there's no filter, theyjust say it.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, but, yeah.
But I mean there should alwaysbe some kind of filter, because
you're writing a movie, you'rewriting a message, like you can
get the kids to say dad, man up,like I could say that too,
because there's no filter, right.
So as a writer I would say, like, cut those children lines out
and do that through physicalbehavior or emotional behavior.
(22:11):
Give the dad, give Kevin arethese finally for the first time
or second time?
Because he had one tear whenKerry died Not only finding
cries.
Let the kids not say it's okay,dad, everybody cries.
No, just let him cry, give hima hug.
That's the same acceptance.
You just don't have to fuckingsay it Same as, like the mother,
(22:32):
didn't have to say anything.
She just did what she wanted todo.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I think that was more that they were worried the
ending wouldn't be satisfyingenough.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I didn't think it was satisfying at all now.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I didn't think it was satisfying either because I
wanted to see more of a happyending, Like I wanted to.
But I mean because it's basedon a true story, and a very
tragic true story, Because themovie is so focused on all the
negative stuff that happenedthat it's like how do we put it
back into balance with all thispositive stuff?
(23:05):
That can be the final note thatwe leave the audience on to get
them home happy.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I understand what you're saying.
I feel they didn't need to makeit a happier ending because,
like you, have the very, veryending one day, like after
credits, we're like, oh, andKevin is not this old and
there's seven kids and 13grandchildren.
They're all live on the ranch,like they said they were going
to do.
They kind of have that kind ofhappy ending.
They could have filmed that too.
They could have realized thatit's more in the movie, kind of
(23:33):
thing.
Make that ending.
I feel like that's like aclosed ending, whereas now they
have a bit of an open ending.
It's like, oh, he finallylearned to accept his feelings,
his emotional side, not just afucking physical masculinity,
but also like everybody can cry,kind of thing.
You know, like you can beemotional, you can feel.
You're allowed to have sorrow orguilt or something like that,
(23:55):
or fear or or sadness, whateversadness, you know that's.
That's a beautiful ending.
I just feel like the lines fromthe kids just ruined that
moment, because it was horrible.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, I think it's more the kids acting that pissed
you off.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
The kids.
I hate child actors that can'tact yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Like it was a really important scene.
So for the kids to not nail itwas disappointing because it's
like the last scene, it's soimportant and Zach Airfront's
fucking bringing it.
He's bringing like emotionalmachine guns in that scene.
The other thing you reminded meof with the with the mother,
(24:34):
remember how the mother was notin the shot.
She was purposely blocked out.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was out of his life.
Yeah, yeah, you're, you'reright.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Shit, that's good.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
That was good shit.
Yeah, this movie had a lot ofmoments like that where it could
have.
It could have just done whatevery other movie does and show
Okay, spoiler alert thischaracter gets into a motorbike
accident.
All right, how are we going toshow that?
Okay, he said that he's gone togo for a ride.
(25:09):
He's on the motorbike.
We're seeing closeups of hiseyes, kind of like darting
around, and then it shows likethe motorbike is going in a
straight line rather than on oneof the other streets, and then
there was like a jarring cut andwe just see someone waking up
from bed.
We have no idea who it is.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
It was in that shot at night.
You saw something moving in thebackground.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh, you saw a light.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, you saw a light it was moving and it was like
uneven kind of thing.
So you knew he was goingstraight towards it and you saw
the emotion in his eyes.
You knew he was on aself-destructive mission.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So you feel we did it on purpose?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, none of the.
He did it on purpose, but hewas purposefully careless, like.
it's not like he ran into a war,hit the car on purpose, but
it's more like if I do, Iwouldn't care because, I just
want to get all my anger out onthe road instead of having a
conversation with his dad andtell his dad to shut the fuck up
, because even though he got thefucking title, it was still not
(26:09):
good enough.
He achieved everything his dadwanted to achieve in his
lifetime and it's still not goodenough.
So he got so upset, right.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, no, no, no.
I'm just thinking about it.
I'm like, wow, yeah, it's fullon, it's full on even as we talk
about it.
I'm like, fuck, what a moviethe way it did that and I just,
yeah, I just love the way thatyou weren't.
You kind of knew what was goingto happen, but you weren't sure
how it was going to show up,and then it kept you guessing.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, yeah, like it was actually a little bit
predictable to a certain degree,like certain moments were very
predictable, yet they still cameas a surprise.
Yeah, because it just wasn't.
It was a very quick set uppayoff kind of thing.
It's like oh, it leaves you aquestion like oh my God, did he
just really do that?
We don't know.
And then he did, but fuck, heactually did it.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, it's just a fucking great.
There was lots of moments whereand I think the wrestler uses
this technique as well wherethere's lots of like, crowd
noise and like the aura andatmosphere of the ring, the epic
breakers and then a jarringjump cut to like silence in a
different scene, to like showpurposefully how jarring it is
(27:29):
to just go from like this peakto all right.
Now we're going to go to theharsh reality of the spotlight
to life.
Yeah, and the wrestler trust ofit does that so fucking well.
You'd love the wrestler If youloved this.
You would love the wrestler.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I don't like wrestling, but I love the movies
.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I'm keen to watch the wrestler, definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Were you like the whale.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right, I haven't seen the whale yet.
I know, bro, I know it's astand out.
I've seen the whale.
You like it.
I fucking loved it.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I thought it was great.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I want to see Brandon Fraser so bad.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
His acting is incredible.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
What does it have to do with wrestling?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Because Darren Aronofsky directed the wrestler
and he directed the whale.
So I thought, if you've seenthe whale and you liked that
very similar style, I'll lovethe whale, regardless of what it
is, because Brandon Fraser nomatter.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Hey, that doesn't matter what how shit it would be
or could be, it's BrandonFraser, I would love it.
If it's a porn with justBrandon Fraser getting a Bukaki
for 17 guys, I'd still watch it.
It's Brandon fucking Fraser.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So, like Dudley Do-Right, monkey Bone Bedazzled
all those shit movies he did.
You loved them.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Since his comeback.
Since his comeback, I just likehis story of his come.
You know the story right, yeah,why he's been away for so long.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
It's just like the fact that he gets back into it.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
No, he got sexually harassed by people in the
Hollywood circle and then hevoiced that and then he got
completely blacklisted andnobody wanted to work with him
anymore for like 10, 12 years orsomething like that, since
Mummy, and then now he finallymade a comeback.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Who harassed him Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, it was some director.
He was like kept on slappinghis ass and grabbing his ass
kind of thing.
He's just like dude, don'tfucking touch me.
And then he tried to talk aboutit publicly and then they
completely blacklisted him.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
He should have went all fucking, jerry O'Connell.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, he tried, but nothing worked.
But he tried to keep his actingcareer as well.
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
The fuck is his name in the Mummy.
Anyway, he should have went allfucking.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Chuck Norris on a?
Yeah, Chuck Norris.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And just punched their dicks.
Just a dick's the sole problem.
Yeah, but like punched them, sothey won't like it.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Punch hard.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
So they'll feel pain.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Talking about a Weinstein circle.
Like they would love beingpunched in the dick.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
There's lots of guys who are going to be more than
happy to punch them in the dickin prison.
That's true.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
So if they love it, then they'll love it even more
in prison.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
No, anyway, you're making it really hard to see any
like karmic value from themgoing to jail.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Epstein, the musical.
This is included.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Fuck no.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
On that note.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, like overall we are.
I highly recommend the Angkor,I think, if you love tragic
movies similar to the Wrestlerby Darren Aronofsky, or if or
the Whale, another very similartype of film.
Like these depressing movies,but also there's a shining light
(30:48):
at the end of the tunnel and Ithink that the iron claw has
something for everyone.
Wrestling fans are obviouslygoing to come to it to want to
see wrestling history, butthey'll also be entertained by
the great chemistry between allthese actors, the hard hitting
performances by Zac Efron andJeremy Alan White, yes, and
(31:14):
solid visual storytelling.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
But, he was Lance from Eric.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh, so he is an actual wrestler.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I don't, but he was in it.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
He, he was playing a backup wrestler.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
OK.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Oh, that's the guy that played Ric Flair.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
He does not look like him at all.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
They did really well Aaron Dean Dean.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
They just put a wig on him.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, oh, he does have muscles.
That's real cool.
Dick Harrison yeah, david, andMike Fenarex, danny Simmons.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Oh, the chick from Lyle Lyle was in this movie.
Which chick, that chick.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh, that's the mum.
That's the mum from Lyle LyleDores.
Oh shit, and they evenrecognize her.
Anyway, one to five, what wouldyou?
What score would you give theiron claw?
Four and a half.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Only thing was similar to you I felt like the
ending just lacked a real punch,and I asked me first.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I was going to say the exact same thing, Dick.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, there was something about that ending that
just didn't leave me completelysatisfied.
But the more we talk about it,the more I'm like oh, this part
was really good too, and thispart like.
So I know, overall it was agreat movie, and I just didn't
see myself going back to it,though Like maybe one other time
(32:43):
, to really analyze things atthe start and see what I missed.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, because, like, everything we talked about now
is like, oh yeah, cool, you'resaying things that I didn't
realize.
Like the moment with a camerawould go out of focus.
Those little bits is like cool,I didn't even notice it.
I'm keen to see that now.
I'd love to go to see it again,not in a cinema, I'll probably
wait for it to come on streaming, so it's anything.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I'm more interested in seeing the real life footage
of like how the fuck was KeriVon Erich wrestling with one
foot?
What did he look like in reallife?
Or what did Kevin Von Erichlook like?
What did all three of them looklike when they would wrestle in
the sportatorium in Texas, likein this three way matches and
stuff like that?
(33:22):
That's what I'm more interestedin.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
So question actually see, if you know it.
By the way, why is it Kevin VonErich, keri Von Erich, david
Von Erich, mike Von Erich andwhatever the youngest brother
said that early?
Who's Lance from Eric?
Why is it a different name?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I don't know he was playing like a backup wrestler
or some shit, so he must just belike a less important character
.
He was only like in one scene.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, but it's the same name.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, I don't know, maybe he's a cousin or some shit
.
He's actually a really goodwrestler.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's what Jacob Friedman.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, he's a fucking great bad guy.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, you should watch his stuff.
It's hilarious.
What was your final rating?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I would very similar to what you were saying.
Give it a four and a half outof five.
Pretty good, pretty damn nearperfection, because I thought it
was actually a lot of really,really, really fucking good
material in the movie Absolutelybrilliant.
Only thing I would say it didleave me a little bit of a sour
taste the very end, like I wassaying before those kids, that
(34:34):
final lines.
It just was not necessary.
The final scene between the momand the dad, doris and Fritz, is
so good because it sets you tothink and realize, now that
we're talking about it, whatthat scene actually meant.
It sets you to think, it setsyou up to continue to think
(34:55):
about the message of the movie,whereas the final scene between
four Kevin, which is the maincharacter, leading, leading
character of the whole movie, ischewed out.
It just chewed and surf to youon a silver platter of like it's
okay, dad, everyone cries.
(35:17):
It's like, yeah, if, if, if thekid didn't just say that but he
just hugged his dad and gavethat acceptance through his just
just accepting that from who?
He is not wiping the tears away, it's letting it be and the
kids is loving him regardless ofit and accepting and being
proud of that, that, regardlessof him crying or not, that would
(35:40):
set you to think.
It's like, oh, I could actuallythink about that and be like
fuck, that was good, I can seethat and then we'll be at an
open ending and it gives yousomething to talk about because
it's in silence.
It is story told throughbehavior and not just through
the words, because the behaviortold the story and the words
just left it with a sour taste.
But for the rest, I don'tchange or take out anything or
(36:02):
add anything out of the movie.
Getting it, stepping into itnot knowing anything about it,
only knowing that Zac Efronlooks like he man and that he
put on some muscle and lookslike a beast.
And then, two seconds beforethe movie, you told me that
Jeremy Allen Widerson from thebear, not knowing he was going
to be jacked up, just like that,I caught on to what the movie
is about real quick.
Like I was saying before, Ilove that when that happens in a
(36:24):
movie.
And then the twist and theturns and the demise of the
family.
It was just so well done.
Not knowing anything prior toit, I would give it a five out
of five out of five stars if thekids were just to be told to
shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
So this is what I'm getting right.
This is Addie's magical endingthat he wanted.
The father, kevin, is crying byhimself.
The two children come up what'swrong, daddy?
And he pile drives both of themthrough giant tables, flaming
tables, and then you would be onthe line.
(37:07):
Shut the fuck up, that's whatyou were.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Masculinity?
Yeah, no, look, I wouldn'tchange much.
It's literally the small littlething that comes to me.
What's going on?
That he tells that same storythat he was saying, because I
thought it was really touching,it was really nice, and then the
kids just didn't say anythingafterwards instead of saying
it's OK, daddy, everybody cries.
Now just shut up, give him ahug and just let him sit there
(37:30):
in his emotions and tears andgive him that acceptance and
love.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Maybe he could have said to them shut up and just
give me anything to make thosechildren shut up like honestly
really have it in for thesechildren.
Fucking hate you now You'd loveJurassic Park because children
are just constantly in dangerthe part in shreds.
Not, not on camera.
Well, they don't like, like.
(37:53):
They're constantly in danger ofbeing annihilated by dinosaurs.
Love it and screaming like asit almost slaughtered.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
So it sounds like your kind of movie.
Epstein the musical is going tobe.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Why are you bringing that back.
People are just going to belike why the fuck do you keep
randomly bringing up Epstein,the musical oh?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
shit, you're going to cut that out, right?
I?
Speaker 1 (38:18):
don't know, I don't know.
No one listens, so I don't careyeah cool awesome.
Awesome.
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Speaker 2 (38:37):
There's a good.
I was Cut.
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