October 7, 2024 • 47 mins
Ever felt that your body is trying to tell you something? Join us for an illuminating conversation with Lisa Kilgore, a registered holistic nutritionist and the author of "Undieting." Lisa shares her powerful story of overcoming severe health issues through the magic of nutrition. Discover the importance of creating individualized nutrition plans, the transformative power of listening to your body's needs, and how small, sustainable changes can make a world of difference in fighting diet culture and enhancing overall well-being.
Ever wondered why you're craving chocolate or carbs? You might be surprised to learn that these cravings can signal underlying nutritional deficiencies. In our chat, Lisa and I explore the fascinating links between common food cravings and nutrient needs, such as the connection between chocolate cravings and magnesium. Learn about the value of balanced eating and experimenting with different meal compositions to find what best suits your body. We also delve into the benefits of quality carbohydrates like sweet potatoes for sustained energy and gut health, highlighting why it's crucial to listen to your body to determine the most beneficial diet.
Navigating midlife, especially as a woman, can be a challenge. Hormonal shifts, adrenal fatigue, and metabolic changes are just a few of the hurdles. Lisa and I dive into these topics, stressing the importance of self-care and understanding one's body. We also touch on the complexities of discussing diet culture with teenagers and the importance of recognizing their nutritional needs. Tune in for practical advice, inspiring stories, and insights into maintaining optimal health during midlife. Plus, get the latest updates on Lisa’s book, "Undieting." Don't miss out on this enlightening episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to Moving Through Midlife.
I am your host, courtney, apersonal trainer and movement
specialist who wants to help youmove through midlife with more
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learn from professionals onmoving through midlife with ease
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All right, I wanted to go backin the archives for this one.
This is an interview that I didall the way back in episode 52.
And it is one of those that Istill think about today.
I continue to follow Lisa.
I love what she stands for.
She is very much a person whothinks we all need
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individualized plans andencourages you to listen to your
own voice, your own body andwhat it is telling you, and
making sure that you understandthat diet culture is not what
your body is asking for.
She talks about cravings andhow they are a cue to what your
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body needs, and she has writtena book on dieting.
I love this interview.
I listened to it again and gotso many nuggets of gold again
that I wanted to bring it backfor you to listen to as well.
I hope you enjoy thisconversation with Lisa Kilgore
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of Undieting.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
My name is Lisa Kilgore.
I'm a registered holisticnutritionist and when you hear
that title it makes you thinkthat I've always been healthy,
that I grew up on a farm and ateorganic food, and that's not
the case.
I became a nutritionist to healme.
First, when I was in highschool and my early 20s, I was
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in a very competitive program.
I was a performance musicstudent and I got really, really
sick.
And I got sick for a variety ofreasons.
But by the time I was 25, I wasgoing to doctor, to doctor and
nobody could figure out what wasgoing on.
But I had nerve damage downboth my arms, tendonitis in both
my thumbs.
I had asthma that was not majorbut out of control and was
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affecting me every day.
But more than anything, I wasso foggy I'd forget what day of
the week it was, where I wasgoing, and I would have this
constant.
It was before smartphones, soI'd be sitting on the subway
saying what day of the week isit and where am I going?
I needed a calendar.
That's what I needed to put inmy purse, but I didn't, and I
would just like sit there tryingto figure out where I was going
and what the day of the weekwas when I left university.
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I ended up getting a job in awhole food supplement company
and I don't know why they hiredme.
I had no background in this,but I'm so grateful they did,
because after about a month Igot the courage to try their
main supplement, which was likea super green powder.
That it I had to read a lotbefore I'd actually drank my
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first glass, but what it did wasprovide the nutrients I was
missing, and within about twoweeks my brain turned back on
and I could think again and myjob was to learn about nutrition
, and it just inspired the lifepath.
That was 20 years ago.
And then I, about five yearsafter that, went to school for
nutrition.
And then in 2008, I was livingin Toronto.
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At the time I packed up my catsin my car and drove across the
country, and now I live inBritish Columbia, in the
mountains.
It's beautiful.
And for the last 15 years I'vebeen working full time as a
holistic nutritionist and now Iget to help people where I was
feel better and help them withthat journey of what do I do
first and how do I make thesebig changes, and I do it in the
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easiest way possible, becausewhen we don't diet, when we
actually make small changes andlisten to our body, it becomes
easy and it becomes justsomething you do.
So it's not work anymore.
And I work with a lot of peoplethat flip back and forth
between like they eat well andthen they fall off, and then now
they and so there's no workanymore.
And I work with a lot of peoplethat flip back and forth
between like they eat well andthen they fall off, and then now
they and so there's no inbetween.
And I I helped them find thegray area where chocolate, cake
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and cookies are still exist, andyou feed your body in a way
that it feels really good.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
When you were talking about, like, how you, um, had
all these problems growing up,was this due to, obviously, your
nutrition.
Were you struggling with yourfood intake?
Is there something specific inregards to that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm still surprised to this day that no doctor asked
me what I ate at the time,because they couldn't figure out
what was wrong with me.
I ate sugar all day, all daylong.
Everything I ate was sugar, andI was a really picky eater as a
teenager.
And so a beautiful dinner wouldbe made and I would go and make
myself a peanut butter sandwich, and, and and this happens with
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a lot of kids when life feelsout of control, they control
their food, and that's what Iwas doing.
It was a minor eating disorder,a disordered eating inside this
wonderful family with a lot ofyummy, delicious food, and so
when I moved out on my own, Iwas continuing to eat sweetened
peanut butter, sweetened cereals, as my all day long food, and
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and so, over time, I developedso many nutritional deficiencies
that my body just couldn'tfunction properly.
And what I love is our bodiesare amazing, and the very first
thing I did that was healthy.
My body said, yeah, that's whatI'm looking for.
And still to this day, 20 yearslater, my body loves green
things and it's like superattached to green vegetables,
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green powders, everything green,cause it's like that's where
health is.
Keep eating that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yes, oh, that's so interesting.
Um, I was similar when I was achild and I I don't know if this
is something that a lot ofchildren struggle with.
I, watching my own children, Ido think you know that picky
eater and um, I would go tocereal, like that was my thing,
that I would eat cereal all thetime If it was Isn't it glorious
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?
Oh yeah, I mean well, but no, Iknow.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
The flavor is glorious.
My body didn't like it but mytaste buds loved it and it was
easy and it was comforting andwe have such a connection to it
as children that it doesn't makesense that it stayed comforting
as I got older.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Right, okay, so you have written a book called
undieting.
Yeah, I was going to ask you,but you didn't really have a
issue growing up with dieting.
You weren't on that dietrollercoaster, were you?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
to a certain extent I grew up around dieting culture.
My mom's been on a diet since Iwas born and when I turned 12, I
just thought you go on a diet,and so I put myself on a diet.
I didn't think I had a weightproblem, I just thought this is
what adults do, and so I startedcontrolling my food then and I
it led into some control issuesaround food and, but because I
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haven't done any big diets, Ihave the ability to see from the
outside and say, oh, you know,there is a different way.
And so I've spent 15 yearsworking with people and and
undieting their life, and it hastaken me a long time to
actually realize what I wasdoing, but right from the, from
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the beginning, it was okay.
Let's stop following things.
Let's stop using our brain totell us what to eat, what does
what feels good, what does yourbody look for?
And and I developed this, thismethodology of using cravings
and and time and energy and andwhat you like and what you don't
like, and what feels good andwhat doesn't feel good, as a way
to help people learn what theirbody is looking for.
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And that means they don't needme anymore.
I have a open door policy withnew clients because I want them
to be able to go on their ownand not need me anymore, because
I'm not the place where all theanswers are.
They are, I just help themuncover it and I think it's
partially because there isn't asuper embedded dieting
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philosophy inside my body mybody's not overly connected to
it that I've been able to have abit more of a clear sense.
But that doesn't mean I wasn'tvictim to diet and culture.
I have absolutely been a victimof it and I'm in my forties now
and I'm watching my brain tellme you need to control your
metabolism.
Isn't as fast as that, as itused to be?
We need to.
We need to do something, and ifit wasn't for the thousands of
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people I've worked with and Iknow without a shadow of doubt
this doesn't work, otherwise I'dbe doing it.
I just said a desperation, likehonestly, out of a doubt.
This doesn't work Otherwise.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I'd be doing it.
I just said a desperation likehonestly, right, yeah, well, and
I think, like you said, is it'slistening to your body.
That's the most important thingand I think the more we can tap
into that, the less we have toworry about all of these diets,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Dieting kind of wages war on your body at.
It's saying, okay, I am goingto convince you to shove your
body over here and then I'mgoing to give you all of the
ways to ignore what your body issaying.
So in a diet, you would bedoing things to ignore your
cravings or eat something elseto satisfy that craving, and.
But your body always wins.
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So your rational brain stays incharge for a while, but every
diet fails.
95% of diets fail.
So almost every diet fails.
And the failure and I'm and I'musing quotes like air quotes
for the word failure, becauseit's not really failure it's
your body taking that over.
When your body shoves you offthat diet by making your craving
so extremely loud you can'tignore it anymore, or makes you
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so tired or so hungry you can'tsay no a second longer.
Or it's that evening whereyou've had a really long day and
your body just says why don'tyou just have one cookie?
Wouldn't that be lovely?
This is your body saving you.
This isn't your body doingsomething bad to you.
This is your body saving youfrom something that wasn't
working.
And it's using it's using alanguage you don't fully
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understand yet Like why?
Why would you, when you've beeneating all of these vegetables,
would your body want a cookie?
It's like, cause it couldn'ttalk you into a potato and so it
asked for the carbohydrate adifferent way and something you
can't say no to.
And so that's why I like usingcravings as a guide, because
it's like, oh, your body wantsthese kinds of food.
How do we do that in a waythat's also nutrient dense and
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does that quiet those cravings?
And it's really fun.
It's like it's a super funpuzzle to figure out.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So, speaking into that with the cravings, so do
you usually recommend?
Do you notice patterns where ifyou are craving this, then this
is what you need?
Because I honestly, I don'tknow if I was even thinking that
if I'm craving that sugarycookie, that I need a potato.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I know because we are so disconnected they all are
supposed to be bad and again badin air quotes that we don't
even see that maybe it's ourbody knows you'll eat that one
and not this one.
I have a whole chapter oncravings and what they mean, but
I can go over some of the mostpopular ones.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Sure, sure.
Yes, I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
These aren't a hundred percent.
So if you don't fall like, thisis like a bell curve.
This is the middle of the bellcurve.
If so, if you or any of thelisteners say well, I don't,
that doesn't sound right to me,that's okay, you're just on the
other side.
We still need to figure outyour language.
It's still your body asking forsomething, it's just a
different way of asking for it.
Okay, so the most popularcraving is chocolate, and
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chocolate, especially darkchocolate, is really high in
magnesium, right?
Okay, magnesium is a mineral weuse enormous amounts of when
we're stressed.
We use enormous amounts in thelast week of our cycle, and we
crave chocolate in the last weekof our cycle and when we're
under enormous amounts of stress, it's a craving for magnesium.
Uh, other symptoms of lowmagnesium are really tight
muscles, low energy and and youdon't sleep very deeply because
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your body's really restless andI.
So when somebody says I cravechocolate, I ask them the other
magnesium questions.
Let's see if this is magnesium.
Otherwise, it can also just beyou haven't eaten enough, and,
and chocolate is a delightfulway of getting calories, so, but
most of the time it's amagnesium deficiency.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Okay, so magnesium, but then there could be that
calorie restriction, I think,okay.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And a lot of carb cravings are either due to the
body is like carbs are out ofstyle, so we crave enormous
amounts of carbs.
In the eighties and thenineties, we craved enormous
amounts of fat because fat wasout of style.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right, the low fat yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, yeah, guacamole was bad for you again in air
quotes, yes.
And so potato chips have beenbad the whole time because now
they're carbs before they werefatty.
But what carb cravingsfrequently are and they can be a
variety of things, but a lot ofthe times, especially if
they're at night, it's a signyou didn't eat enough through
the day.
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They can be that your body isasking for just a steady set of
energy.
It doesn't have to work veryhard to get and, and a low carb
diet can create that.
And then, lastly, it can be dueto a low levels of.
We currently believe that, um,depression is a low level of
serotonin.
That might not be found to bethe case, but carbohydrates pull
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serotonin up, and so people whoare wired for depression tend
to be carb cravers and theirmood is affected by going on a
low carb diet.
And so people who are wired fordepression are not doing well
with our current food fashion,but did better in the in the low
fat, high carb days of the 80sand 90s.
It's just fashion.
There's going to be.
There's a new one coming in.
Just ignore it all.
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My body likes fatty carbs.
I'm so out of fashion.
Who cares?
I eat what my body likes andwhen we feed our body good
quality carbohydrates likepotatoes and sweet potatoes and
I put starches in people's dietsconstantly they feed our gut
bacteria, which is reallyimportant, but they give the
steady set of energy and theydramatically reduce the evening
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cravings of potato chips and icecream and cookies and all of
the food that your body askedfor in a tired moment because
you said no all day long.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Okay, that is amazing .
I love everything.
I'm just like my mouth is open.
You're like, oh, my goodness, Ilove this.
Okay, so you've said likewhat's popular and what's not
popular right now.
So there's all these differentfad diets that people you know
paleo, keto, intermittent,fasting, all of that and you've
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gone against the grain with whatyou're teaching.
You have no specific diet, soto speak, that you're following.
Is there any certain protocolthat you follow in regards to
your clients, or is it really anindividualized situation?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There's a methodology I take them through that's very
similar, but what comes out isvery unique.
So instead of me saying have ahigh protein breakfast, that's
good for everybody, I say let'stry a high carb breakfast, a
high protein breakfast and amiddle ground breakfast of both
and see what feels best to you.
Cause when my body has likehigh proteins in style, I have a
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high protein breakfast.
I'm hungry in an hour.
That doesn't make sense in thecurrent philosophy, but makes
full sense with what my body is,who my body is and what the
constitution is.
I do well with super carbybreakfast, which I'm it's not
supposed to do well, but I have.
I had oatmeal and a banana forbreakfast this morning, with
some cocoa in it.
It was delicious and, uh, itwill keep me full for five hours
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.
If I had bacon and eggs, I'd behungry in an hour.
I need carbs, and so I.
What we do is we go through eachmeal of the day and find what
does your body like the best,what is your balance, and we
listen to overall cravings,overall energy and especially
evening cravings to say Are youeating enough?
Are a lot of people I see arejust simply not eating enough.
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I put more food into their diet, even if they're looking to
lose weight, because it's allbeing made up for at the night,
when they have a massive nightcraving.
So better food and find thatbalance.
And at the end some people willcome out and say I feel really
good with a lot of protein andnon-starchy vegetables, but
that's honestly a very smallpercentage compared to those who
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come, who come back and say Ineed starches through the day.
That feels better.
I need these kinds of foods andthe reason why I get a small
percentage of people who do wellon a high protein, low carb
diet is that they wouldn't befinding a holistic nutritionist
if the current food fashion wasworking for them.
So I get a higher percentage ofcarb loving people today
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because it's not working forthem.
They don't feel well and theyneed to understand why.
A lot of times I get these fooddiaries and they're trying to
follow what we're told ishealthy and it's just not
working for them.
So while I don't have aprescription where you can just
go, you can scan my book andfind the main points and not
read the whole thing and just dothose.
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That's not what my book is.
My book is sit listen, let meteach you how to how to use your
body symptoms as a guide tofind out what's out of balance,
and here are things to try.
It's not as hard as it soundsand it gives you a lifetime of.
I don't need any other helpbecause I get it.
I understand what my body islooking for, but if what you
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want is be told what to do.
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay, Well, and I was going to say there's a lot of
people out there who, um, theyjust want to be told what to do.
So how do you start to workwith someone?
Because I think that's greatthat you want to be told what to
do, but that only lasts so long.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, and and I fully respect everybody where they
are Like, I am a firm believerin body autonomy.
If you, if what works in yourlife and works in your body is
to be told what to do, wonderful, I'm not your practitioner.
Okay, there are a whole bunchof places you can download meal
plans and and find exactly whatyou're looking for, but no, I'm
here when that stops working foryou and and I'm here.
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Keep following me if you want,and I'm here and ready for you
the moment you're like.
You know I have the bandwidth.
Now my kids are a bit older, Ihave the energy to actually
start understanding my body andI get a lot of women in their
40s, because that's that timewhere it's like you know what I
need to start taking care ofmyself and I don't know where to
start because all of theseother things didn't work.
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But wherever you are, that'sokay and it's not a judgment if
you still want to be told whatto what to eat, but eventually
listen to those whispers thatcome from your body of like,
maybe there's something else andI can help you learn that when
you're ready.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Okay, you mentioned 40, like do you notice a big
shift of what we did in ourthirties, twenties and thirties?
I felt like I didn't have tochange much of anything for
myself in my twenties andthirties and then I hit 40 and
things have started to change.
Is there something that younotice like this in almost every
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one of my clients?
This they have to startchanging in their forties.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I noticed it too and I couldn't want it Like I when I
was in my thirties.
Everybody's like, oh,everything's fine until you turn
40.
I'm like, I'm a nutritionist, Iknow how to know.
I tell, happened to me too.
Um, I think when our hormonesstart shifting and perimenopause
, our body gets louder and says,okay, enough is enough.
Through your 20s and your 30s,you're busy, you had small kids,
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that's all fine, I managed, Iam not going to manage anymore.
And so your body gets reallyloud and so adrenal fatigue
symptoms and exhaustion reallyget loud and your metabolism
slows down and and the hormonefluctuations in the month gets
so much louder and it's a wakeup call and unfortunately our
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culture doesn't give us thespace in our forties to even
start listening to it.
It's we still have incrediblybusy lives and so sometimes you
just need quick fixes throughthis, and that's okay too.
But when, if we have the time,space and bandwidth to start
really tapping in, it's also awonderful time when your body is
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allowed to really learn yourbody Like.
There's no better time than whenthe smallest thing throws you
off to say, okay, body, tell memore.
And sometimes you just needsome help with your adrenals and
your hormones to get throughsome really busy years, and I
can help people with that.
And, as we as just know, as youget closer to 50 and your mid
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fifties, these just get louderand louder and louder.
But you have the space and timewhen you can carve the space
for yourself.
I think it's a lesson for womento give them themselves time
and space and to start givingback to themselves as much as
they give out to everybody,which is what we do in our 20s
and 30s and 40s.
We just our body, stops wantingto let us.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, and we are.
You're kind of sandwiched in inthat, that generation where
you've got you raising, you'restill raising your kids.
You might be starting to takecare of your parents in some
form or another, especially likeinto the fifties as well, and
that doesn't leave.
And you're trying, you know,most of us at when our children
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or when we are in our forties.
Our children are now in school.
So now we're thinking about ifyou've been a stay at home mom.
You know that's a lot of hoursin the day where I've got to get
back into work and that type ofthing.
So you're constantly you've got.
Now everything's just coming inon you, moving in on you, so
really stressful.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's really hard.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I love supporting women through this time.
I'm I'm 40, I'm almost 45, and45 in a few months and and so I
get how the body is.
But I have more space to givebecause I don't have kids, and
so I see my role in the world asI chose a different path.
Therefore, let me give back tomoms, Let me help moms through
this really hard time and findeasy, easy routes to feel a
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little bit better due to thefact that I have the space to be
able to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Okay, you mentioned adrenal fatigue.
I suffered with that for aperiod of time.
Do you have any warning signsthat?
Because I feel like I've heardmore friends mentioned that they
have been diagnosed withadrenal fatigue, but I feel like
it's kind of that new thingthat you start to hear now.
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Is there signs that we shouldbe looking for?
What could be our signs lettingus know that we're tapping out?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, adrenal fatigue and adrenal exhaustion are
really common.
I've been through it threetimes myself um, two, two really
bad times, that time in my 20,25,.
What was causing the fogginesswas a lot of adrenal fatigue.
And we're two years into apandemic.
A lot of people are crashing,and understandably so, and so
for the first warning signs thatcan come out is, um, taking
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longer to wake up in the morning.
So you feel groggy.
Instead of for 15 or 20 minutes, you now feel groggy for a half
an hour, an hour, two hours, oryou just don't lose that
sleepiness.
That's an early sign.
New salt cravings also an earlysign.
Adrenal fatigue usually bringsout salt cravings.
Salt is a medicinal food foradrenals, so that's, that's
helpful.
So bring in more salt.
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The big time red flag.
So if this happens, go directlyto a naturopath or an
integrative medicine doctor tohelp with your adrenals.
If you're exhausted all daylong, you can barely function,
and around nine or ten at nightyou wake up and feel like a
million bucks.
That is is a big time warningsign.
The next step stage past.
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That is bedridden.
So don't that's a don't pass.
Go, don't collect $200, gostraight to a practitioner that
can properly diagnose you sothat would be through a
naturopath or an integrativemedicine doctor and can assess
your adrenals.
Before that, holisticnutritionists like me, other
practitioners we can help you.
There's a lot of herbalsupplements that can help you
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out.
There's a lot of just eatingtechniques to take some strain
off your adrenals.
This is not a time to do anyintermittent fasting.
You can really stress out youradrenals intermittent fasting.
So if you are struggling at allwith energy, just start eating
more often, um, otherwise theywill crash just from that Um.
But in general, um, there's alot we can do.
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You don't need to feel likethis Um, and the sooner you turn
the train backwards to energy,the better.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Okay With this undieting, do you and you're
listening to your body what yourbody needs, which I find so
fascinating?
Because, um, I am a bigproponent of getting protein in,
but that's because my body, Ilike you said that you were
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eating oatmeal and a banana andI used to be able to eat that,
but then I hit not 40, but youknow up, moving up through
forties, um, and all of a suddenI started feeling this spike.
You, I, I would assume it hasto do with insulin resistance.
I just feel more anxious when Ihave carbs in the morning.
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Um, my heart will start racing,I'll just feel like I'm jumping
out of my skin Almost.
Is that a sign of maybe goingtoo high on the?
Is that an insulin resistance,that is?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
it.
It's a sign that your body issaying this ain't working for me
.
And you listened and addedprotein and it worked like a
charm.
And so that's like somethingthat's worked for you for a long
time can suddenly stop working,and that's a that's something
to listen to.
And, uh, you did the rightthing of adding protein.
And doing that as an experimentis a great thing, but some
people will add protein and feelhungry or faster, and it
(26:50):
doesn't sound like it shouldhappen, but it can, and so we.
That's where we want to knowwhat our body needs and to
adjust accordingly, causesometimes, especially when
nutrient levels get low chromiumbeing being the main one then
we start our our body startsoverreacting to grains like
oatmeal.
Oatmeal is a beautiful wholegrain, but so when I hear those
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symptoms with oatmeal, I'm like,okay, our cells are not happy
with insulin.
How do we fix that?
And chromium can be a good fix.
It can.
The the you did the right thingis stop stressing your body out
with this and over time, you'llyou'll find that that you can
bring it back in.
But anytime I see somebodyeating oatmeal, especially steel
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cut oats, and they're hungry inan hour, okay, that's not
working for you.
Let's find another option.
And now let's look at are thereother signs of nutrient
deficiencies?
Chromium deficiencies happenwith long-term stress, but
mostly long-term.
Refined sugar refined flour,which I did for a long time.
Yeah, and I did.
I had I did two years onchromium to get my body reacting
(27:53):
.
Well, chromium is unsung mineralhero.
It's a trace mineral, we don'tneed much, but it fixes the
insulin receptor.
So it creates glucose tolerancefactor in the body, which
literally means your bodytolerates glucose better.
And so, um, insulin resistanceis when the insulin receptor
breaks because too much insulinis hitting the cell and the
cells like you're knocking on mydoor too much, I need a break
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and breaks its receptor.
Now it's starving for glucose,can't get glucose because
there's no insulin, and so it'stelling you I need more food.
But there's tons of sugar inthe blood and chromium fixes
that receptor, allowing yourblood sugar to be more steady,
allowing your body to produceless insulin to deal with that,
and therefore you can tolerategrain, whole grains, better
again.
And so it's just aboutlistening to that symptom and
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then saying why did that happen?
So you did the great thing ofjust saying this doesn't feel
good anymore, I need to dosomething else.
And again your body got loud.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
In your forties, your body said this isn't working
for me anymore and you listenedand that's what we all just need
to do.
Okay, so you're talking aboutall these different nutrients
that I or you know whomeverneeds.
How do we?
I mean, is this something that,if we're eating our fruits and
vegetables on a daily basis andsome protein, some fat, that
(29:10):
we're going to be getting all ofthese nutrients into our diet,
or do you supplement as well?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
these nutrients into our diet or do you supplement as
well?
Um, I, generally, um, I look atdiet as a means to bring in
nutrients.
Um, because if we only look atsupplements, that can cause its
own imbalance because they'renot food, it's missing cofactors
for absorption.
But our life can createdeficiencies.
So, like my old high sugar,high refined diet created a
multiple deficiency level ofdeficiencies.
I, my current life is full ofnutrients but I self-employed
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and my schedule changes everyday.
I'm kind of high strung and soI have a running magnesium
deficiency.
I supplement with magnesium andI add cocoa dark chocolate to
anything I can for extramagnesium and it's delicious.
But what I do with people is Ilook at their symptoms.
So I wouldn't put everybody onchromium, but I put you on.
I would consider talking to youabout chromium from that
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symptom that you had, from theum, from the oats, or if you
have a diagnosis of insulinresistance or type two diabetes,
then we want to look at how tohow, to see if we can get the
cells functioning better.
Again, Um, I, I don't recommend.
There's very few supplements Irecommend right across the board
and usually they're due to likein Canada, we need vitamin D
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because we live so far North andstressed out, People tend to
need magnesium.
If your diet, though, overall,is poor, then we we need to
bring in a multivitamin possibly, or if you deal with a chronic
illness, because it's reallyhard to get enough nutrients
from your food.
But most of the time I'mlooking at let's use food as
much as possible to get thosenutrients in, because that's
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what your body wants.
Nature understands what ourbody needs and I've
oversupplemented in my in myattempt to fix my body 20 years
ago and it really didn't work.
And I've oversupplemented in myattempt to fix my body 20 years
ago and it really didn't work,and I've seen that happen a
bunch of times with otherclients.
And food is always best andsometimes you need to fix
something that happened in thepast or you need to fix
something chronic, like mystress level.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, when we are thinking about our children, so
many of us have teenage girlswho are getting ready.
Well, not getting ready, theyalready are.
You know, this is that agewhere those kids start thinking
about going on diets because ofthe way they look.
Is there anything that you canrecommend in regards to that
(31:33):
talking to our teens about thedieting culture and how we can
work through that with them?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, this is a really important time.
So young kids are reallyconnected.
Their, their brain and theirheart, their body, are really
connected.
They know when they're full,they know what their body wants,
but our life kind of teachesthat out of us.
Um part is sometimes you haveto eat a meal when you're not
hungry, because that's when themeal is available, and sometimes
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you have to eat food.
You don't always like that sortof thing, but there's this
really important moment as ateenager that can set the stage
for for the 20s, 30s and 40s,and this is when girls are
become really body conscious,are become really body conscious
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and research has found thatteenagers who go on a diet just
one have a higher rate ofobesity as an adult and so and
this goes for like, there isactually higher rates of obesity
with every diet, even adultsgoing on, so it's not just
teenagers.
So parents who have teenagerswho are about to go on a diet
like this is just right acrossthe board.
The best predictor of weightgain is dieting right now, and
it's just that we has beenstudied on teenagers and so
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encouraging healthyconversations with the body,
making sure that nobody in thefamily is making body comments
because a teenage girl isalready obsessed, and as all
she's probably thinking aboutanyways, that we don't need to
add to it, including positive.
We just need to not have thebody be a part of who they are
in their self esteem.
(33:07):
Encouraging healthy foodconsumption, listening to
cravings, understanding whythey're happening, is really fun
.
And then, if you feel like yourteenage girl might be going
down the dieting path,encouraging them to follow
anti-diet.
Um, instagram personalities aresome really great ones.
(33:27):
There's some really great onestalking about how curated
Instagram is like.
There's one woman I follow.
I love her because every singlevideo is like here's how to
take it, looking pretty, andthen here's what reality looks
like, and she's like watch mepull my butt, cheek out to
create this photo and I just I,like my 45 year old brain, loves
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seeing that.
I can only imagine what itwould be as a teenager.
There's a really book, a greatbook called intuitive eating.
That is, I think every parentshould read, but but as a great
read for a teenager that mightbe going down that dieting path,
because it looks at why dietingdoesn't work, go through all of
the research, but then how toconnect as well, and it's a
really well-written book.
(34:09):
It's very famous.
It's been out for 20 years.
Um, I can't think of theauthor's name off the top, but I
can send you links for for that.
But those are those it's.
It's do your best.
To be having a teenager isreally, really hard, and so, you
know, do your best.
And they're watching you,they're watching how you're
eating and your relationship tofood and they're developing a
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relationship with food, and soit's just.
It's just about being cognizantof what's happening in the
brain of a teenager and they'renot making the most rational,
like their brain's not donegrowing yet, so they need help
with that like judgment,discernment side of things.
And so this is a place whereyou can kind of come in and say,
(34:52):
wait, why?
Why is your plate, why doesyour plate have so little food?
Are you not hungry?
What's going on?
And if they just say, yeah, Ihave no appetite, that's fine,
but if it's, oh, I want to loseweight, well, that's okay, let's
, let's have a conversationabout that.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Okay, and you mentioned intuitive eating.
How, how do you get, whether itbe the child or the adult, the
mom or the teen, how do you getto where you really can trust
your body?
I'm thinking of my daughter.
My daughter is, she's me, andshe's very much on this sugar
(35:29):
kick now, like everything issugar, and I keep trying to help
her understand that we've gotto get some nutrients in there.
Is there like because if she'slistening to her body, her
body's telling her to go havemore chocolate?
Yeah, and, like you said, likeobviously, I mean, would she be
one who might be suffering withmagnesium?
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Absolutely.
Yeah, Teenage girls ripe withmagnesium deficiencies, leg
pains.
Girls ripe with magnesiumdeficiencies, leg pains, uh,
crampy, all of that, yeah, Um,and so so helping her under, say
, like, let's ask your body whyyou want the chocolate.
What's going on, Um, what elseis like?
How does it feel when you eatit?
How does it feel after you eatit?
Are you do?
Does it satisfy you or are youstill hungry?
(36:12):
Sometimes, when you um have acraving and what you eat doesn't
satisfy that craving, you stillfeel empty and so you want to
keep going.
And so helping her, just startunderstanding that language and
seeing what else feels good.
And nobody feels good when theyhave the blood sugar highs and
lows, but with a teenager it'snot as loud.
Sometimes they just get moody,like sometimes they just
(36:34):
sometimes you just know you haveto hand them a snack to have
the conversation you want tohave with them, Like they need
to eat something before they'rethemselves again, and so it's.
It's really like you can mirrora lot of it and it's it's
opening up that conversation oflike wow, your body really is
sounding like it wants chocolate.
How does it feel?
And and just like, even justtweak that thought, but ask them
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how tight are your muscles?
You have a lot of knots in yourshoulders.
Are you feeling really crampywith your period?
How's your legs?
Are you getting leg cramps?
And it's not, it's.
It's magnesium deficiencies areso common and she's growing so
much that, yeah, I I would saythere's pro.
There could be um a potentialof of low magnesium, and I had
really low magnesium as ateenager.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Okay, yeah, that that was an aha moment for me,
because when I was a child I theleg cramps that I would get
nonstop.
Oh, it was so painful.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, and I have been addicted to chocolate forever.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So this is, this is great.
This is so much informationthat I this is my own soul study
right here, or you're helpingme with that.
So, okay, tell me a little bitmore.
I'm definitely.
I want to go grab your book now.
Tell me a little bit more soI'm going to be able to read
(37:54):
your book and I will be able tobetter understand myself and
figure out my cravings and allof that through your book.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes.
So if you go to undietingca,you'll get more information on
my book and it's it's availablethough at all uh, online
retailers.
Um, my website, undietingcajust is an easy way of accessing
it and accessing where you canbuy it from.
Through my book, you will havea better understanding of your
body.
Sometimes people are like, yeah, but I still don't know what to
(38:26):
do next, and so that's whereyou can see me one-on-one if you
want some one-on-one help.
And then I also have a groupprogram called your Beautiful
Life, and that's for people wholike to learn for themselves,
and that's who I am.
That's why I created it.
I rarely see practitioners Iwant to like tell me what to do
and let me figure it out.
And so in your Beautiful Life,it's a, it's a group program.
(38:47):
There's about 80 to a hundredpeople in it right now, so it's
a really nice group.
The age range is between 30 and70, both a huge smattering 45
to 50, 45 to 65.
And in it we look, we we tacklea topic every month.
This month is sugar, Last monthwas protein, and we take it
from an undieting way.
(39:08):
And so I I write a masterclassevery month.
There's 37 of them right nowand you can.
They each stand alone so youcan say I really need to focus
on inflammation or I really needmy.
Like, I need to understandsugar better, and you just can.
You can read through themasterclass.
It takes about 45 minutes fromtop to bottom, and then you can
(39:30):
be in my, in the our privateFacebook group.
You can ask me questions.
I do Q and A's every two weeksand I'm there to share more and
you have really strong access tome.
Like, my priority is my clientsand my group program, so it
gives people both options.
Do you want to really workthrough it in deep level,
one-on-one, or do you want to bea part of this?
(39:52):
You want to kind of like haveit simmering around and
understand it from a different,from different areas and see
where it's where you want totake it next.
I have many of my members arealso clients and there's a 15%
discount on seeing me onone-on-one if you're also a
member.
So if you're thinking I kind ofneed both, yeah, yeah, you can
totally do both, and there'sabout 25% of my members are also
(40:15):
clients.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Okay, okay, now is there one thing that you would
recommend for those of us, youknow, these moms?
Is there anything specific thatyou want to make sure that you
leave us with that we can workon, or with our children?
I mean, if you're welcome torecommend both, if you'd prefer.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Well, the key with with your day is breakfast, and
if you think, oh wait, I hatebreakfast, I never eat it,
that's fine.
It's the first thing you eat ina day.
Some people's digestion doesn'tstart in the morning and eat
something by mid, mid morningand then lunch is your, your
first one to tackle.
But for most people, getbreakfast to work for you, and
breakfast working for you meansyou feel satisfied for three or
(40:59):
four hours at five is best.
You enjoy it, it feels good,your energy is steady all
morning, you nail breakfast,your whole day looks better.
Uh, I have had like formerdieters who who was like shocked
that that's all I wanted themto do.
For the first three or fourweeks we worked together and
then they come back.
They're like I really I washumoring you.
(41:19):
That made a huge difference,though, like I'm shocked, I for
the rest of my life I willalways make sure breakfast works
for me, because everything elseare problems stemming from
breakfast.
So if we don't solve that first, then we're just kind of
working out the balance.
So try a smoothie.
If a smoothie feels terribleand you're hungry and now stop
eating smoothies, try somethingelse and you're.
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This is good for your kids too,because their whole day of
concentration will be better ifthey start their day with
something that's going to keeptheir energy steady.
For some people, that will bethat smoothie or a high protein
breakfast.
Another person is going to beoatmeal with a banana or like,
like it is for me.
We're all different.
Just nail your breakfast.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Okay, and I'm sorry I've got to ask this because you
said nail your breakfast and Iknow a lot of people are really
gung ho with this intermittentfasting and you also touched on
that.
In regards to the adrenalfatigue, what is it something
that we, as women should belooking at?
(42:20):
Intermittent fasting?
Or I mean, you did mention thatit doesn't have to be first
thing in the morning, but it'swhen you're breaking your fast.
Yeah.
I would a couple of thingsabout that.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Absolutely I would.
I would recommend every womanbe very cautious with
intermittent fasting.
It works beautifully for some,but terribly for others.
All of the research, except fora very small amount, is all
done on men, and the very littlebit of research they've done on
women has found that theresults are the opposite.
Okay, so the better insulincontrol that works for men.
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Women the opposite.
They have not looked at howintermittent fasting affects
hormones, and what I've seenanecdotally is 20 something
women with menopausal levelhormones after pushing
intermittent fasting too much.
So while for some, like you know, it's working for you because
it's easy and as you enjoy itand you feel good.
(43:16):
So if fasting until lunch iseasy, you don't even think about
it.
You feel so much better thantrying to force food in.
You're, you're on the righttrack.
This is totally working for you.
If, though, you are waitinganxiously for for lunch, or you
have to have caffeine to get youto lunch, that's, that's your
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body, overpowering with cortisol, your hunger signals and what
we, what?
What we're seeing withintermittent fasting in women is
that it causes a stressreaction in both men and women,
but on a woman it's more harmful, possibly, but when the adrenal
fatigue, it's terrible.
So women do better at more of agentle 12 to 14 hour overnight
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fast that I don't even considerintermittent fasting, that's
just like finish dinner and eatbreakfast and that works out to
being that, um, that tends to bebetter hormonally and um, the
beginning of our cycle tends tobe better better for fasting
than the end, than the last twoweeks.
So also adjust for where youare in your cycle, but don't
push your body.
Your body will have problems inthe longterm if you push
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through it too much.
Your body will have problems inthe longterm if you push
through it too much.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, and you even touched on something that I
found very interesting isbecause some of us may not even
realize we're not listening toour body, because we're shoving
caffeine into us immediately,because you know you can
intermittent fast, as you know,if you have coffee in the
morning and that will tide youover.
(44:48):
But is that really tidying youover properly?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, it's simply using cortisol to push down your
, your, uh, hunger.
And so, if you like I am.
I have been a breakfast eatermy entire life, since I was a
little kid, as my favorite meal.
I am going to be a terribleintermittent faster because I'm
missing my favorite thing andthe thing I go to sleep waiting
for like I'm like excited aboutbreakfast when I go to sleep.
(45:12):
Somebody else who has beentrying to force breakfast in for
their whole life because theyjust never have the appetite for
it.
They're better.
They're better at thisintermittent fasting trend, like
they're going to be bettereating lunch as the first meal.
Um, it really depends on who youare, and just don't force it.
I I've met a lot of women whoare doing it because their
partner is also doing it andthey're trying to support their
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partner, but they spend all daystarving.
Well, you, your metabolism isbeing pushed down, your hormones
are being pushed down, yourcortisol is skyrocketing to get
you to this thing that yourbrain has been convinced is good
for you.
Your body doesn't like it.
So listen, listen, listen andyou can be guided to what works
and stop it when it stopsfeeling good.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Okay, perfect, thank you so much.
Can you tell the listenerswhere they can find you and
learn more from you?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
So my website is my name, lisa Kilgorecom, but you
can also get to my website atundietingca.
So if you can't remember how tospell my name because it's the
Canadian spelling, just go toundietingca and you'll get my
book.
But then you can navigate tothe other stuff and see, learn
about my group program, yourbeautiful life, or see my rates
for working one on one.
My one on one rates are are inCanadian, which is better for
(46:25):
like the.
There's a good transition from.
It's like 20% lower if you'repaying in US dollars, just with
the exchange rate.
Um, I also have uh, if you go tolisakilgorecom, forward slash
freebie.
You can download my five waysto eat what you want.
It's my beginner's guide toundieting, and then you're also
on my newsletter list so we canbe in touch every week with.
(46:47):
I send out some goodies everyevery single week and so that's
a nice way in as well.
But kind of go with what feelsgood and what you're ready for
and have time for, but grab mymy beginner's guide at least,
because then you can stay intouch.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Okay, and books are sold everywhere now.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yes, absolutely.
It's been out since September2020.
So it's on Amazon, it's onBarnes and Noble, it's on
Chapters in Canada, it's on allof the online stores.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Okay, perfect.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You're welcome, Courtney.
I really enjoyed chatting withyou.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
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All right, I wanted to go backin the archives for this one.
This is an interview that I didall the way back in episode 52.
And it is one of those that Istill think about today.
I continue to follow Lisa.
I love what she stands for.
She is very much a person whothinks we all need
(01:29):
individualized plans andencourages you to listen to your
own voice, your own body andwhat it is telling you, and
making sure that you understandthat diet culture is not what
your body is asking for.
She talks about cravings andhow they are a cue to what your
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body needs, and she has writtena book on dieting.
I love this interview.
I listened to it again and gotso many nuggets of gold again
that I wanted to bring it backfor you to listen to as well.
I hope you enjoy thisconversation with Lisa Kilgore
(02:13):
of Undieting.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
My name is Lisa Kilgore.
I'm a registered holisticnutritionist and when you hear
that title it makes you thinkthat I've always been healthy,
that I grew up on a farm and ateorganic food, and that's not
the case.
I became a nutritionist to healme.
First, when I was in highschool and my early 20s, I was
(02:38):
in a very competitive program.
I was a performance musicstudent and I got really, really
sick.
And I got sick for a variety ofreasons.
But by the time I was 25, I wasgoing to doctor, to doctor and
nobody could figure out what wasgoing on.
But I had nerve damage downboth my arms, tendonitis in both
my thumbs.
I had asthma that was not majorbut out of control and was
(03:00):
affecting me every day.
But more than anything, I wasso foggy I'd forget what day of
the week it was, where I wasgoing, and I would have this
constant.
It was before smartphones, soI'd be sitting on the subway
saying what day of the week isit and where am I going?
I needed a calendar.
That's what I needed to put inmy purse, but I didn't, and I
would just like sit there tryingto figure out where I was going
and what the day of the weekwas when I left university.
(03:23):
I ended up getting a job in awhole food supplement company
and I don't know why they hiredme.
I had no background in this,but I'm so grateful they did,
because after about a month Igot the courage to try their
main supplement, which was likea super green powder.
That it I had to read a lotbefore I'd actually drank my
(03:43):
first glass, but what it did wasprovide the nutrients I was
missing, and within about twoweeks my brain turned back on
and I could think again and myjob was to learn about nutrition
, and it just inspired the lifepath.
That was 20 years ago.
And then I, about five yearsafter that, went to school for
nutrition.
And then in 2008, I was livingin Toronto.
(04:05):
At the time I packed up my catsin my car and drove across the
country, and now I live inBritish Columbia, in the
mountains.
It's beautiful.
And for the last 15 years I'vebeen working full time as a
holistic nutritionist and now Iget to help people where I was
feel better and help them withthat journey of what do I do
first and how do I make thesebig changes, and I do it in the
(04:30):
easiest way possible, becausewhen we don't diet, when we
actually make small changes andlisten to our body, it becomes
easy and it becomes justsomething you do.
So it's not work anymore.
And I work with a lot of peoplethat flip back and forth
between like they eat well andthen they fall off, and then now
they and so there's no workanymore.
And I work with a lot of peoplethat flip back and forth
between like they eat well andthen they fall off, and then now
they and so there's no inbetween.
And I I helped them find thegray area where chocolate, cake
(04:52):
and cookies are still exist, andyou feed your body in a way
that it feels really good.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
When you were talking about, like, how you, um, had
all these problems growing up,was this due to, obviously, your
nutrition.
Were you struggling with yourfood intake?
Is there something specific inregards to that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm still surprised to this day that no doctor asked
me what I ate at the time,because they couldn't figure out
what was wrong with me.
I ate sugar all day, all daylong.
Everything I ate was sugar, andI was a really picky eater as a
teenager.
And so a beautiful dinner wouldbe made and I would go and make
myself a peanut butter sandwich, and, and and this happens with
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a lot of kids when life feelsout of control, they control
their food, and that's what Iwas doing.
It was a minor eating disorder,a disordered eating inside this
wonderful family with a lot ofyummy, delicious food, and so
when I moved out on my own, Iwas continuing to eat sweetened
peanut butter, sweetened cereals, as my all day long food, and
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and so, over time, I developedso many nutritional deficiencies
that my body just couldn'tfunction properly.
And what I love is our bodiesare amazing, and the very first
thing I did that was healthy.
My body said, yeah, that's whatI'm looking for.
And still to this day, 20 yearslater, my body loves green
things and it's like superattached to green vegetables,
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green powders, everything green,cause it's like that's where
health is.
Keep eating that.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yes, oh, that's so interesting.
Um, I was similar when I was achild and I I don't know if this
is something that a lot ofchildren struggle with.
I, watching my own children, Ido think you know that picky
eater and um, I would go tocereal, like that was my thing,
that I would eat cereal all thetime If it was Isn't it glorious
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?
Oh yeah, I mean well, but no, Iknow.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
The flavor is glorious.
My body didn't like it but mytaste buds loved it and it was
easy and it was comforting andwe have such a connection to it
as children that it doesn't makesense that it stayed comforting
as I got older.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Right, okay, so you have written a book called
undieting.
Yeah, I was going to ask you,but you didn't really have a
issue growing up with dieting.
You weren't on that dietrollercoaster, were you?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
to a certain extent I grew up around dieting culture.
My mom's been on a diet since Iwas born and when I turned 12, I
just thought you go on a diet,and so I put myself on a diet.
I didn't think I had a weightproblem, I just thought this is
what adults do, and so I startedcontrolling my food then and I
it led into some control issuesaround food and, but because I
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haven't done any big diets, Ihave the ability to see from the
outside and say, oh, you know,there is a different way.
And so I've spent 15 yearsworking with people and and
undieting their life, and it hastaken me a long time to
actually realize what I wasdoing, but right from the, from
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the beginning, it was okay.
Let's stop following things.
Let's stop using our brain totell us what to eat, what does
what feels good, what does yourbody look for?
And and I developed this, thismethodology of using cravings
and and time and energy and andwhat you like and what you don't
like, and what feels good andwhat doesn't feel good, as a way
to help people learn what theirbody is looking for.
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And that means they don't needme anymore.
I have a open door policy withnew clients because I want them
to be able to go on their ownand not need me anymore, because
I'm not the place where all theanswers are.
They are, I just help themuncover it and I think it's
partially because there isn't asuper embedded dieting
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philosophy inside my body mybody's not overly connected to
it that I've been able to have abit more of a clear sense.
But that doesn't mean I wasn'tvictim to diet and culture.
I have absolutely been a victimof it and I'm in my forties now
and I'm watching my brain tellme you need to control your
metabolism.
Isn't as fast as that, as itused to be?
We need to.
We need to do something, and ifit wasn't for the thousands of
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people I've worked with and Iknow without a shadow of doubt
this doesn't work, otherwise I'dbe doing it.
I just said a desperation, likehonestly, out of a doubt.
This doesn't work Otherwise.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I'd be doing it.
I just said a desperation likehonestly, right, yeah, well, and
I think, like you said, is it'slistening to your body.
That's the most important thingand I think the more we can tap
into that, the less we have toworry about all of these diets,
so to speak.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Dieting kind of wages war on your body at.
It's saying, okay, I am goingto convince you to shove your
body over here and then I'mgoing to give you all of the
ways to ignore what your body issaying.
So in a diet, you would bedoing things to ignore your
cravings or eat something elseto satisfy that craving, and.
But your body always wins.
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So your rational brain stays incharge for a while, but every
diet fails.
95% of diets fail.
So almost every diet fails.
And the failure and I'm and I'musing quotes like air quotes
for the word failure, becauseit's not really failure it's
your body taking that over.
When your body shoves you offthat diet by making your craving
so extremely loud you can'tignore it anymore, or makes you
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so tired or so hungry you can'tsay no a second longer.
Or it's that evening whereyou've had a really long day and
your body just says why don'tyou just have one cookie?
Wouldn't that be lovely?
This is your body saving you.
This isn't your body doingsomething bad to you.
This is your body saving youfrom something that wasn't
working.
And it's using it's using alanguage you don't fully
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understand yet Like why?
Why would you, when you've beeneating all of these vegetables,
would your body want a cookie?
It's like, cause it couldn'ttalk you into a potato and so it
asked for the carbohydrate adifferent way and something you
can't say no to.
And so that's why I like usingcravings as a guide, because
it's like, oh, your body wantsthese kinds of food.
How do we do that in a waythat's also nutrient dense and
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does that quiet those cravings?
And it's really fun.
It's like it's a super funpuzzle to figure out.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So, speaking into that with the cravings, so do
you usually recommend?
Do you notice patterns where ifyou are craving this, then this
is what you need?
Because I honestly, I don'tknow if I was even thinking that
if I'm craving that sugarycookie, that I need a potato.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
I know because we are so disconnected they all are
supposed to be bad and again badin air quotes that we don't
even see that maybe it's ourbody knows you'll eat that one
and not this one.
I have a whole chapter oncravings and what they mean, but
I can go over some of the mostpopular ones.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Sure, sure.
Yes, I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
These aren't a hundred percent.
So if you don't fall like, thisis like a bell curve.
This is the middle of the bellcurve.
If so, if you or any of thelisteners say well, I don't,
that doesn't sound right to me,that's okay, you're just on the
other side.
We still need to figure outyour language.
It's still your body asking forsomething, it's just a
different way of asking for it.
Okay, so the most popularcraving is chocolate, and
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chocolate, especially darkchocolate, is really high in
magnesium, right?
Okay, magnesium is a mineral weuse enormous amounts of when
we're stressed.
We use enormous amounts in thelast week of our cycle, and we
crave chocolate in the last weekof our cycle and when we're
under enormous amounts of stress, it's a craving for magnesium.
Uh, other symptoms of lowmagnesium are really tight
muscles, low energy and and youdon't sleep very deeply because
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your body's really restless andI.
So when somebody says I cravechocolate, I ask them the other
magnesium questions.
Let's see if this is magnesium.
Otherwise, it can also just beyou haven't eaten enough, and,
and chocolate is a delightfulway of getting calories, so, but
most of the time it's amagnesium deficiency.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Okay, so magnesium, but then there could be that
calorie restriction, I think,okay.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
And a lot of carb cravings are either due to the
body is like carbs are out ofstyle, so we crave enormous
amounts of carbs.
In the eighties and thenineties, we craved enormous
amounts of fat because fat wasout of style.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Right, the low fat yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, yeah, guacamole was bad for you again in air
quotes, yes.
And so potato chips have beenbad the whole time because now
they're carbs before they werefatty.
But what carb cravingsfrequently are and they can be a
variety of things, but a lot ofthe times, especially if
they're at night, it's a signyou didn't eat enough through
the day.
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They can be that your body isasking for just a steady set of
energy.
It doesn't have to work veryhard to get and, and a low carb
diet can create that.
And then, lastly, it can be dueto a low levels of.
We currently believe that, um,depression is a low level of
serotonin.
That might not be found to bethe case, but carbohydrates pull
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serotonin up, and so people whoare wired for depression tend
to be carb cravers and theirmood is affected by going on a
low carb diet.
And so people who are wired fordepression are not doing well
with our current food fashion,but did better in the in the low
fat, high carb days of the 80sand 90s.
It's just fashion.
There's going to be.
There's a new one coming in.
Just ignore it all.
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My body likes fatty carbs.
I'm so out of fashion.
Who cares?
I eat what my body likes andwhen we feed our body good
quality carbohydrates likepotatoes and sweet potatoes and
I put starches in people's dietsconstantly they feed our gut
bacteria, which is reallyimportant, but they give the
steady set of energy and theydramatically reduce the evening
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cravings of potato chips and icecream and cookies and all of
the food that your body askedfor in a tired moment because
you said no all day long.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Okay, that is amazing .
I love everything.
I'm just like my mouth is open.
You're like, oh, my goodness, Ilove this.
Okay, so you've said likewhat's popular and what's not
popular right now.
So there's all these differentfad diets that people you know
paleo, keto, intermittent,fasting, all of that and you've
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gone against the grain with whatyou're teaching.
You have no specific diet, soto speak, that you're following.
Is there any certain protocolthat you follow in regards to
your clients, or is it really anindividualized situation?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There's a methodology I take them through that's very
similar, but what comes out isvery unique.
So instead of me saying have ahigh protein breakfast, that's
good for everybody, I say let'stry a high carb breakfast, a
high protein breakfast and amiddle ground breakfast of both
and see what feels best to you.
Cause when my body has likehigh proteins in style, I have a
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high protein breakfast.
I'm hungry in an hour.
That doesn't make sense in thecurrent philosophy, but makes
full sense with what my body is,who my body is and what the
constitution is.
I do well with super carbybreakfast, which I'm it's not
supposed to do well, but I have.
I had oatmeal and a banana forbreakfast this morning, with
some cocoa in it.
It was delicious and, uh, itwill keep me full for five hours
(16:24):
.
If I had bacon and eggs, I'd behungry in an hour.
I need carbs, and so I.
What we do is we go through eachmeal of the day and find what
does your body like the best,what is your balance, and we
listen to overall cravings,overall energy and especially
evening cravings to say Are youeating enough?
Are a lot of people I see arejust simply not eating enough.
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I put more food into their diet, even if they're looking to
lose weight, because it's allbeing made up for at the night,
when they have a massive nightcraving.
So better food and find thatbalance.
And at the end some people willcome out and say I feel really
good with a lot of protein andnon-starchy vegetables, but
that's honestly a very smallpercentage compared to those who
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come, who come back and say Ineed starches through the day.
That feels better.
I need these kinds of foods andthe reason why I get a small
percentage of people who do wellon a high protein, low carb
diet is that they wouldn't befinding a holistic nutritionist
if the current food fashion wasworking for them.
So I get a higher percentage ofcarb loving people today
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because it's not working forthem.
They don't feel well and theyneed to understand why.
A lot of times I get these fooddiaries and they're trying to
follow what we're told ishealthy and it's just not
working for them.
So while I don't have aprescription where you can just
go, you can scan my book andfind the main points and not
read the whole thing and just dothose.
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That's not what my book is.
My book is sit listen, let meteach you how to how to use your
body symptoms as a guide tofind out what's out of balance,
and here are things to try.
It's not as hard as it soundsand it gives you a lifetime of.
I don't need any other helpbecause I get it.
I understand what my body islooking for, but if what you
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want is be told what to do.
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Okay, Well, and I was going to say there's a lot of
people out there who, um, theyjust want to be told what to do.
So how do you start to workwith someone?
Because I think that's greatthat you want to be told what to
do, but that only lasts so long.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, and and I fully respect everybody where they
are Like, I am a firm believerin body autonomy.
If you, if what works in yourlife and works in your body is
to be told what to do, wonderful, I'm not your practitioner.
Okay, there are a whole bunchof places you can download meal
plans and and find exactly whatyou're looking for, but no, I'm
here when that stops working foryou and and I'm here.
(18:58):
Keep following me if you want,and I'm here and ready for you
the moment you're like.
You know I have the bandwidth.
Now my kids are a bit older, Ihave the energy to actually
start understanding my body andI get a lot of women in their
40s, because that's that timewhere it's like you know what I
need to start taking care ofmyself and I don't know where to
start because all of theseother things didn't work.
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But wherever you are, that'sokay and it's not a judgment if
you still want to be told whatto what to eat, but eventually
listen to those whispers thatcome from your body of like,
maybe there's something else andI can help you learn that when
you're ready.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Okay, you mentioned 40, like do you notice a big
shift of what we did in ourthirties, twenties and thirties?
I felt like I didn't have tochange much of anything for
myself in my twenties andthirties and then I hit 40 and
things have started to change.
Is there something that younotice like this in almost every
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one of my clients?
This they have to startchanging in their forties.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I noticed it too and I couldn't want it Like I when I
was in my thirties.
Everybody's like, oh,everything's fine until you turn
40.
I'm like, I'm a nutritionist, Iknow how to know.
I tell, happened to me too.
Um, I think when our hormonesstart shifting and perimenopause
, our body gets louder and says,okay, enough is enough.
Through your 20s and your 30s,you're busy, you had small kids,
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that's all fine, I managed, Iam not going to manage anymore.
And so your body gets reallyloud and so adrenal fatigue
symptoms and exhaustion reallyget loud and your metabolism
slows down and and the hormonefluctuations in the month gets
so much louder and it's a wakeup call and unfortunately our
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culture doesn't give us thespace in our forties to even
start listening to it.
It's we still have incrediblybusy lives and so sometimes you
just need quick fixes throughthis, and that's okay too.
But when, if we have the time,space and bandwidth to start
really tapping in, it's also awonderful time when your body is
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allowed to really learn yourbody Like.
There's no better time than whenthe smallest thing throws you
off to say, okay, body, tell memore.
And sometimes you just needsome help with your adrenals and
your hormones to get throughsome really busy years, and I
can help people with that.
And, as we as just know, as youget closer to 50 and your mid
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fifties, these just get louderand louder and louder.
But you have the space and timewhen you can carve the space
for yourself.
I think it's a lesson for womento give them themselves time
and space and to start givingback to themselves as much as
they give out to everybody,which is what we do in our 20s
and 30s and 40s.
We just our body, stops wantingto let us.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, and we are.
You're kind of sandwiched in inthat, that generation where
you've got you raising, you'restill raising your kids.
You might be starting to takecare of your parents in some
form or another, especially likeinto the fifties as well, and
that doesn't leave.
And you're trying, you know,most of us at when our children
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or when we are in our forties.
Our children are now in school.
So now we're thinking about ifyou've been a stay at home mom.
You know that's a lot of hoursin the day where I've got to get
back into work and that type ofthing.
So you're constantly you've got.
Now everything's just coming inon you, moving in on you, so
really stressful.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's really hard.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
And.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I love supporting women through this time.
I'm I'm 40, I'm almost 45, and45 in a few months and and so I
get how the body is.
But I have more space to givebecause I don't have kids, and
so I see my role in the world asI chose a different path.
Therefore, let me give back tomoms, Let me help moms through
this really hard time and findeasy, easy routes to feel a
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little bit better due to thefact that I have the space to be
able to do that.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Okay, you mentioned adrenal fatigue.
I suffered with that for aperiod of time.
Do you have any warning signsthat?
Because I feel like I've heardmore friends mentioned that they
have been diagnosed withadrenal fatigue, but I feel like
it's kind of that new thingthat you start to hear now.
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Is there signs that we shouldbe looking for?
What could be our signs lettingus know that we're tapping out?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, adrenal fatigue and adrenal exhaustion are
really common.
I've been through it threetimes myself um, two, two really
bad times, that time in my 20,25,.
What was causing the fogginesswas a lot of adrenal fatigue.
And we're two years into apandemic.
A lot of people are crashing,and understandably so, and so
for the first warning signs thatcan come out is, um, taking
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longer to wake up in the morning.
So you feel groggy.
Instead of for 15 or 20 minutes, you now feel groggy for a half
an hour, an hour, two hours, oryou just don't lose that
sleepiness.
That's an early sign.
New salt cravings also an earlysign.
Adrenal fatigue usually bringsout salt cravings.
Salt is a medicinal food foradrenals, so that's, that's
helpful.
So bring in more salt.
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The big time red flag.
So if this happens, go directlyto a naturopath or an
integrative medicine doctor tohelp with your adrenals.
If you're exhausted all daylong, you can barely function,
and around nine or ten at nightyou wake up and feel like a
million bucks.
That is is a big time warningsign.
The next step stage past.
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That is bedridden.
So don't that's a don't pass.
Go, don't collect $200, gostraight to a practitioner that
can properly diagnose you sothat would be through a
naturopath or an integrativemedicine doctor and can assess
your adrenals.
Before that, holisticnutritionists like me, other
practitioners we can help you.
There's a lot of herbalsupplements that can help you
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out.
There's a lot of just eatingtechniques to take some strain
off your adrenals.
This is not a time to do anyintermittent fasting.
You can really stress out youradrenals intermittent fasting.
So if you are struggling at allwith energy, just start eating
more often, um, otherwise theywill crash just from that Um.
But in general, um, there's alot we can do.
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You don't need to feel likethis Um, and the sooner you turn
the train backwards to energy,the better.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Okay With this undieting, do you and you're
listening to your body what yourbody needs, which I find so
fascinating?
Because, um, I am a bigproponent of getting protein in,
but that's because my body, Ilike you said that you were
(25:51):
eating oatmeal and a banana andI used to be able to eat that,
but then I hit not 40, but youknow up, moving up through
forties, um, and all of a suddenI started feeling this spike.
You, I, I would assume it hasto do with insulin resistance.
I just feel more anxious when Ihave carbs in the morning.
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Um, my heart will start racing,I'll just feel like I'm jumping
out of my skin Almost.
Is that a sign of maybe goingtoo high on the?
Is that an insulin resistance,that is?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
it.
It's a sign that your body issaying this ain't working for me
.
And you listened and addedprotein and it worked like a
charm.
And so that's like somethingthat's worked for you for a long
time can suddenly stop working,and that's a that's something
to listen to.
And, uh, you did the rightthing of adding protein.
And doing that as an experimentis a great thing, but some
people will add protein and feelhungry or faster, and it
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doesn't sound like it shouldhappen, but it can, and so we.
That's where we want to knowwhat our body needs and to
adjust accordingly, causesometimes, especially when
nutrient levels get low chromiumbeing being the main one then
we start our our body startsoverreacting to grains like
oatmeal.
Oatmeal is a beautiful wholegrain, but so when I hear those
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symptoms with oatmeal, I'm like,okay, our cells are not happy
with insulin.
How do we fix that?
And chromium can be a good fix.
It can.
The the you did the right thingis stop stressing your body out
with this and over time, you'llyou'll find that that you can
bring it back in.
But anytime I see somebodyeating oatmeal, especially steel
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cut oats, and they're hungry inan hour, okay, that's not
working for you.
Let's find another option.
And now let's look at are thereother signs of nutrient
deficiencies?
Chromium deficiencies happenwith long-term stress, but
mostly long-term.
Refined sugar refined flour,which I did for a long time.
Yeah, and I did.
I had I did two years onchromium to get my body reacting
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.
Well, chromium is unsung mineralhero.
It's a trace mineral, we don'tneed much, but it fixes the
insulin receptor.
So it creates glucose tolerancefactor in the body, which
literally means your bodytolerates glucose better.
And so, um, insulin resistanceis when the insulin receptor
breaks because too much insulinis hitting the cell and the
cells like you're knocking on mydoor too much, I need a break
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and breaks its receptor.
Now it's starving for glucose,can't get glucose because
there's no insulin, and so it'stelling you I need more food.
But there's tons of sugar inthe blood and chromium fixes
that receptor, allowing yourblood sugar to be more steady,
allowing your body to produceless insulin to deal with that,
and therefore you can tolerategrain, whole grains, better
again.
And so it's just aboutlistening to that symptom and
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then saying why did that happen?
So you did the great thing ofjust saying this doesn't feel
good anymore, I need to dosomething else.
And again your body got loud.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
In your forties, your body said this isn't working
for me anymore and you listenedand that's what we all just need
to do.
Okay, so you're talking aboutall these different nutrients
that I or you know whomeverneeds.
How do we?
I mean, is this something that,if we're eating our fruits and
vegetables on a daily basis andsome protein, some fat, that
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we're going to be getting all ofthese nutrients into our diet,
or do you supplement as well?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
these nutrients into our diet or do you supplement as
well?
Um, I, generally, um, I look atdiet as a means to bring in
nutrients.
Um, because if we only look atsupplements, that can cause its
own imbalance because they'renot food, it's missing cofactors
for absorption.
But our life can createdeficiencies.
So, like my old high sugar,high refined diet created a
multiple deficiency level ofdeficiencies.
I, my current life is full ofnutrients but I self-employed
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and my schedule changes everyday.
I'm kind of high strung and soI have a running magnesium
deficiency.
I supplement with magnesium andI add cocoa dark chocolate to
anything I can for extramagnesium and it's delicious.
But what I do with people is Ilook at their symptoms.
So I wouldn't put everybody onchromium, but I put you on.
I would consider talking to youabout chromium from that
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symptom that you had, from theum, from the oats, or if you
have a diagnosis of insulinresistance or type two diabetes,
then we want to look at how tohow, to see if we can get the
cells functioning better.
Again, Um, I, I don't recommend.
There's very few supplements Irecommend right across the board
and usually they're due to likein Canada, we need vitamin D
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because we live so far North andstressed out, People tend to
need magnesium.
If your diet, though, overall,is poor, then we we need to
bring in a multivitamin possibly, or if you deal with a chronic
illness, because it's reallyhard to get enough nutrients
from your food.
But most of the time I'mlooking at let's use food as
much as possible to get thosenutrients in, because that's
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what your body wants.
Nature understands what ourbody needs and I've
oversupplemented in my in myattempt to fix my body 20 years
ago and it really didn't work.
And I've oversupplemented in myattempt to fix my body 20 years
ago and it really didn't work,and I've seen that happen a
bunch of times with otherclients.
And food is always best andsometimes you need to fix
something that happened in thepast or you need to fix
something chronic, like mystress level.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Okay, when we are thinking about our children, so
many of us have teenage girlswho are getting ready.
Well, not getting ready, theyalready are.
You know, this is that agewhere those kids start thinking
about going on diets because ofthe way they look.
Is there anything that you canrecommend in regards to that
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talking to our teens about thedieting culture and how we can
work through that with them?
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, this is a really important time.
So young kids are reallyconnected.
Their, their brain and theirheart, their body, are really
connected.
They know when they're full,they know what their body wants,
but our life kind of teachesthat out of us.
Um part is sometimes you haveto eat a meal when you're not
hungry, because that's when themeal is available, and sometimes
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you have to eat food.
You don't always like that sortof thing, but there's this
really important moment as ateenager that can set the stage
for for the 20s, 30s and 40s,and this is when girls are
become really body conscious,are become really body conscious
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and research has found thatteenagers who go on a diet just
one have a higher rate ofobesity as an adult and so and
this goes for like, there isactually higher rates of obesity
with every diet, even adultsgoing on, so it's not just
teenagers.
So parents who have teenagerswho are about to go on a diet
like this is just right acrossthe board.
The best predictor of weightgain is dieting right now, and
it's just that we has beenstudied on teenagers and so
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encouraging healthyconversations with the body,
making sure that nobody in thefamily is making body comments
because a teenage girl isalready obsessed, and as all
she's probably thinking aboutanyways, that we don't need to
add to it, including positive.
We just need to not have thebody be a part of who they are
in their self esteem.
(33:07):
Encouraging healthy foodconsumption, listening to
cravings, understanding whythey're happening, is really fun
.
And then, if you feel like yourteenage girl might be going
down the dieting path,encouraging them to follow
anti-diet.
Um, instagram personalities aresome really great ones.
(33:27):
There's some really great onestalking about how curated
Instagram is like.
There's one woman I follow.
I love her because every singlevideo is like here's how to
take it, looking pretty, andthen here's what reality looks
like, and she's like watch mepull my butt, cheek out to
create this photo and I just I,like my 45 year old brain, loves
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seeing that.
I can only imagine what itwould be as a teenager.
There's a really book, a greatbook called intuitive eating.
That is, I think every parentshould read, but but as a great
read for a teenager that mightbe going down that dieting path,
because it looks at why dietingdoesn't work, go through all of
the research, but then how toconnect as well, and it's a
really well-written book.
(34:09):
It's very famous.
It's been out for 20 years.
Um, I can't think of theauthor's name off the top, but I
can send you links for for that.
But those are those it's.
It's do your best.
To be having a teenager isreally, really hard, and so, you
know, do your best.
And they're watching you,they're watching how you're
eating and your relationship tofood and they're developing a
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relationship with food, and soit's just.
It's just about being cognizantof what's happening in the
brain of a teenager and they'renot making the most rational,
like their brain's not donegrowing yet, so they need help
with that like judgment,discernment side of things.
And so this is a place whereyou can kind of come in and say,
(34:52):
wait, why?
Why is your plate, why doesyour plate have so little food?
Are you not hungry?
What's going on?
And if they just say, yeah, Ihave no appetite, that's fine,
but if it's, oh, I want to loseweight, well, that's okay, let's
, let's have a conversationabout that.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Okay, and you mentioned intuitive eating.
How, how do you get, whether itbe the child or the adult, the
mom or the teen, how do you getto where you really can trust
your body?
I'm thinking of my daughter.
My daughter is, she's me, andshe's very much on this sugar
(35:29):
kick now, like everything issugar, and I keep trying to help
her understand that we've gotto get some nutrients in there.
Is there like because if she'slistening to her body, her
body's telling her to go havemore chocolate?
Yeah, and, like you said, likeobviously, I mean, would she be
one who might be suffering withmagnesium?
Yeah, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Absolutely.
Yeah, Teenage girls ripe withmagnesium deficiencies, leg
pains.
Girls ripe with magnesiumdeficiencies, leg pains, uh,
crampy, all of that, yeah, Um,and so so helping her under, say
, like, let's ask your body whyyou want the chocolate.
What's going on, Um, what elseis like?
How does it feel when you eatit?
How does it feel after you eatit?
Are you do?
Does it satisfy you or are youstill hungry?
(36:12):
Sometimes, when you um have acraving and what you eat doesn't
satisfy that craving, you stillfeel empty and so you want to
keep going.
And so helping her, just startunderstanding that language and
seeing what else feels good.
And nobody feels good when theyhave the blood sugar highs and
lows, but with a teenager it'snot as loud.
Sometimes they just get moody,like sometimes they just
(36:34):
sometimes you just know you haveto hand them a snack to have
the conversation you want tohave with them, Like they need
to eat something before they'rethemselves again, and so it's.
It's really like you can mirrora lot of it and it's it's
opening up that conversation oflike wow, your body really is
sounding like it wants chocolate.
How does it feel?
And and just like, even justtweak that thought, but ask them
(36:57):
how tight are your muscles?
You have a lot of knots in yourshoulders.
Are you feeling really crampywith your period?
How's your legs?
Are you getting leg cramps?
And it's not, it's.
It's magnesium deficiencies areso common and she's growing so
much that, yeah, I I would saythere's pro.
There could be um a potentialof of low magnesium, and I had
really low magnesium as ateenager.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Okay, yeah, that that was an aha moment for me,
because when I was a child I theleg cramps that I would get
nonstop.
Oh, it was so painful.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, and I have been addicted to chocolate forever.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
So this is, this is great.
This is so much informationthat I this is my own soul study
right here, or you're helpingme with that.
So, okay, tell me a little bitmore.
I'm definitely.
I want to go grab your book now.
Tell me a little bit more soI'm going to be able to read
(37:54):
your book and I will be able tobetter understand myself and
figure out my cravings and allof that through your book.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yes.
So if you go to undietingca,you'll get more information on
my book and it's it's availablethough at all uh, online
retailers.
Um, my website, undietingcajust is an easy way of accessing
it and accessing where you canbuy it from.
Through my book, you will havea better understanding of your
body.
Sometimes people are like, yeah, but I still don't know what to
(38:26):
do next, and so that's whereyou can see me one-on-one if you
want some one-on-one help.
And then I also have a groupprogram called your Beautiful
Life, and that's for people wholike to learn for themselves,
and that's who I am.
That's why I created it.
I rarely see practitioners Iwant to like tell me what to do
and let me figure it out.
And so in your Beautiful Life,it's a, it's a group program.
(38:47):
There's about 80 to a hundredpeople in it right now, so it's
a really nice group.
The age range is between 30 and70, both a huge smattering 45
to 50, 45 to 65.
And in it we look, we we tacklea topic every month.
This month is sugar, Last monthwas protein, and we take it
from an undieting way.
(39:08):
And so I I write a masterclassevery month.
There's 37 of them right nowand you can.
They each stand alone so youcan say I really need to focus
on inflammation or I really needmy.
Like, I need to understandsugar better, and you just can.
You can read through themasterclass.
It takes about 45 minutes fromtop to bottom, and then you can
(39:30):
be in my, in the our privateFacebook group.
You can ask me questions.
I do Q and A's every two weeksand I'm there to share more and
you have really strong access tome.
Like, my priority is my clientsand my group program, so it
gives people both options.
Do you want to really workthrough it in deep level,
one-on-one, or do you want to bea part of this?
(39:52):
You want to kind of like haveit simmering around and
understand it from a different,from different areas and see
where it's where you want totake it next.
I have many of my members arealso clients and there's a 15%
discount on seeing me onone-on-one if you're also a
member.
So if you're thinking I kind ofneed both, yeah, yeah, you can
totally do both, and there'sabout 25% of my members are also
(40:15):
clients.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Okay, okay, now is there one thing that you would
recommend for those of us, youknow, these moms?
Is there anything specific thatyou want to make sure that you
leave us with that we can workon, or with our children?
I mean, if you're welcome torecommend both, if you'd prefer.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Well, the key with with your day is breakfast, and
if you think, oh wait, I hatebreakfast, I never eat it,
that's fine.
It's the first thing you eat ina day.
Some people's digestion doesn'tstart in the morning and eat
something by mid, mid morningand then lunch is your, your
first one to tackle.
But for most people, getbreakfast to work for you, and
breakfast working for you meansyou feel satisfied for three or
(40:59):
four hours at five is best.
You enjoy it, it feels good,your energy is steady all
morning, you nail breakfast,your whole day looks better.
Uh, I have had like formerdieters who who was like shocked
that that's all I wanted themto do.
For the first three or fourweeks we worked together and
then they come back.
They're like I really I washumoring you.
(41:19):
That made a huge difference,though, like I'm shocked, I for
the rest of my life I willalways make sure breakfast works
for me, because everything elseare problems stemming from
breakfast.
So if we don't solve that first, then we're just kind of
working out the balance.
So try a smoothie.
If a smoothie feels terribleand you're hungry and now stop
eating smoothies, try somethingelse and you're.
(41:41):
This is good for your kids too,because their whole day of
concentration will be better ifthey start their day with
something that's going to keeptheir energy steady.
For some people, that will bethat smoothie or a high protein
breakfast.
Another person is going to beoatmeal with a banana or like,
like it is for me.
We're all different.
Just nail your breakfast.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Okay, and I'm sorry I've got to ask this because you
said nail your breakfast and Iknow a lot of people are really
gung ho with this intermittentfasting and you also touched on
that.
In regards to the adrenalfatigue, what is it something
that we, as women should belooking at?
(42:20):
Intermittent fasting?
Or I mean, you did mention thatit doesn't have to be first
thing in the morning, but it'swhen you're breaking your fast.
Yeah.
I would a couple of thingsabout that.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Absolutely I would.
I would recommend every womanbe very cautious with
intermittent fasting.
It works beautifully for some,but terribly for others.
All of the research, except fora very small amount, is all
done on men, and the very littlebit of research they've done on
women has found that theresults are the opposite.
Okay, so the better insulincontrol that works for men.
(42:56):
Women the opposite.
They have not looked at howintermittent fasting affects
hormones, and what I've seenanecdotally is 20 something
women with menopausal levelhormones after pushing
intermittent fasting too much.
So while for some, like you know, it's working for you because
it's easy and as you enjoy itand you feel good.
(43:16):
So if fasting until lunch iseasy, you don't even think about
it.
You feel so much better thantrying to force food in.
You're, you're on the righttrack.
This is totally working for you.
If, though, you are waitinganxiously for for lunch, or you
have to have caffeine to get youto lunch, that's, that's your
(43:36):
body, overpowering with cortisol, your hunger signals and what
we, what?
What we're seeing withintermittent fasting in women is
that it causes a stressreaction in both men and women,
but on a woman it's more harmful, possibly, but when the adrenal
fatigue, it's terrible.
So women do better at more of agentle 12 to 14 hour overnight
(44:03):
fast that I don't even considerintermittent fasting, that's
just like finish dinner and eatbreakfast and that works out to
being that, um, that tends to bebetter hormonally and um, the
beginning of our cycle tends tobe better better for fasting
than the end, than the last twoweeks.
So also adjust for where youare in your cycle, but don't
push your body.
Your body will have problems inthe longterm if you push
(44:23):
through it too much.
Your body will have problems inthe longterm if you push
through it too much.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Well, and you even touched on something that I
found very interesting isbecause some of us may not even
realize we're not listening toour body, because we're shoving
caffeine into us immediately,because you know you can
intermittent fast, as you know,if you have coffee in the
morning and that will tide youover.
(44:48):
But is that really tidying youover properly?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Yeah, it's simply using cortisol to push down your
, your, uh, hunger.
And so, if you like I am.
I have been a breakfast eatermy entire life, since I was a
little kid, as my favorite meal.
I am going to be a terribleintermittent faster because I'm
missing my favorite thing andthe thing I go to sleep waiting
for like I'm like excited aboutbreakfast when I go to sleep.
(45:12):
Somebody else who has beentrying to force breakfast in for
their whole life because theyjust never have the appetite for
it.
They're better.
They're better at thisintermittent fasting trend, like
they're going to be bettereating lunch as the first meal.
Um, it really depends on who youare, and just don't force it.
I I've met a lot of women whoare doing it because their
partner is also doing it andthey're trying to support their
(45:34):
partner, but they spend all daystarving.
Well, you, your metabolism isbeing pushed down, your hormones
are being pushed down, yourcortisol is skyrocketing to get
you to this thing that yourbrain has been convinced is good
for you.
Your body doesn't like it.
So listen, listen, listen andyou can be guided to what works
and stop it when it stopsfeeling good.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Okay, perfect, thank you so much.
Can you tell the listenerswhere they can find you and
learn more from you?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
So my website is my name, lisa Kilgorecom, but you
can also get to my website atundietingca.
So if you can't remember how tospell my name because it's the
Canadian spelling, just go toundietingca and you'll get my
book.
But then you can navigate tothe other stuff and see, learn
about my group program, yourbeautiful life, or see my rates
for working one on one.
My one on one rates are are inCanadian, which is better for
(46:25):
like the.
There's a good transition from.
It's like 20% lower if you'repaying in US dollars, just with
the exchange rate.
Um, I also have uh, if you go tolisakilgorecom, forward slash
freebie.
You can download my five waysto eat what you want.
It's my beginner's guide toundieting, and then you're also
on my newsletter list so we canbe in touch every week with.
(46:47):
I send out some goodies everyevery single week and so that's
a nice way in as well.
But kind of go with what feelsgood and what you're ready for
and have time for, but grab mymy beginner's guide at least,
because then you can stay intouch.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Okay, and books are sold everywhere now.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yes, absolutely.
It's been out since September2020.
So it's on Amazon, it's onBarnes and Noble, it's on
Chapters in Canada, it's on allof the online stores.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Okay, perfect.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
You're welcome, Courtney.
I really enjoyed chatting withyou.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I hope you enjoyed this episode and found something
to take away to help youpractice healthier habits, move
more or handle the midlife andaging with grace.
If you enjoyed this episode,please share it with a friend or
leave us a review to help usreach more moms just like you.
Head to movingthroughmidlifecomto join the free community or
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