August 1, 2025 • 37 mins
David and Moe are back from their vacays, and they’ve brought a dynamite guest along for the ride: Ed Opperman, an investigative reporter who’s got some serious street cred in the private eye game. They dive deep into the wild world of political scandals, with Ed dropping some juicy insights about how today’s drama seems to bounce off political figures like a rubber ball. Seriously, it's like the more outrageous the scandal, the less it matters—Trump’s escapades are a prime example, as Ed hilariously points out how the public’s become immune to the chaos. The trio chats about everything from Epstein to the slippery slope of modern media control, and Ed’s got some spicy stories to share, including his close encounters with the drama surrounding Stormy Daniels and the intertwined lives of various players in the political sphere. Buckle up, because this episode is packed with laughs, eye-rolls, and a whole lotta “did they just say that?” moments!
Takeaways:
- David and Moe recently returned from their individual vacations, diving straight into a podcast filled with juicy discussions and funny anecdotes.
- The guest, Ed Opperman, a private investigator and podcast host, shared some wild stories about scandals involving high-profile figures, including Trump and Epstein.
- Ed highlighted how political scandals seem to have lost their shock value in today's media landscape, as audiences have become desensitized to the outrageous.
- The conversation revealed how the media, especially under certain influences, can control narratives and obscure details surrounding political scandals.
- They discussed the evolution of scandal culture from the past to modern times, showing how today's audiences may shrug off serious allegations against public figures.
- Opperman pointed out that despite numerous felonies being charged, some scandals seem to have little to no impact on public perception or political careers.
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Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Opperman Report
- AMI
- Gawker
- New York Post
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Hey, folks, this is DavidWheeler. Welcome back to mucu. Mo
and I have had a little bit ofa vacation the last couple weeks,
but we're back, and we've gota really, really interesting guest
today. And for that, I'll turnit over to Mo. Jacob.
Hey, thanks. Let me just putout a clarification here. You know,
David said we've been onvacation, not together. That's how
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rumors get started.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's true. Not thatthere's anything wrong with it.
No, no, no.
I just want to make.
No, I've been with kids inIowa. We went to state fair. We actually
had a ball. We went to acombine demo derby in Iowa.
So anyway, yeah, we went toEngland, which was a lot of fun.
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But when I came back, I guessit was Monday. I was going to the
hardware store, and I got tothe bottom of the hill at the intersection.
I thought, something's not right.
And it dawned on me.
I was on the wrong side of theroad. So it took a little bit.
Well, that's the story of mylife. We digress. Yes. All right,
take it. Take it.
Yeah, sure. Well, listen, it'sa. You know, Ed Opperman's joining
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us today. Should be aninteresting show. Ed's a. An investigative
reporter. He has a privatedetective agency, computer and cell
phone forensic company, andhe's also the host of the Opperman
Report, the place forscandals, politics, and true crime
stories. So, Ed, thanks fortaking time out and joining us today.
Hey, thanks for having me, guys.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Well, listen, I'm justcurious, you know, some of the scandal
stuff, you know, back in theday, you remember, like monkey business,
you know, when. When Hart, youknow, was down in Florida and. Oh,
yeah, that ended his career.It seems like now that, you know,
all the scandals that are.It's like daily fare just don't seem
to have any impact anymore. Isthat. Is that your impression?
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Yeah. Trump, the king of alltabloid media, has changed the ball
game. Like you, you know, GaryHart. Yeah. As a matter of fact,
I'm interviewing Dan o',Hanks, private investigator on Saturday,
and he's the one who used tokill all the Trump stories for the
tabloids for ami when he was.Worked with them for years and years.
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Wow.
Do you think they matteranymore? I mean, it's the public
just kind of gotten, you know,immune to. To scandal. Yeah.
The old expression that eitherbe caught with, what was it, A live
boy or a dead girl, you know,and that's. God, totally out the
window now. They're makingexcuses for, you know, Trump just
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came out last week talkingabout how Epstein stole Virginia
Jew free from him. You knowthat. And we can imagine that 10
years ago. My God.
I know.
Yeah.
It seems like we're in anenvironment that, and again, you
know, I'm, you know, I'm aDemocrat and a candidate running
for office that it seems likeRepublican, Republican. There's nothing
a Republican can do wrong andnothing, nothing a Democrat can do
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right. That all these scandalsjust seem to bounce off. And what
do you, what do you think withthe, you know, it seems like the
Epstein thing has gotten moretraction than some of the others,
you know, with Joe Rogan andsome of the other traditional Trump
supporters seem to have kindof latched on to it.
And don't want to let go inthe beginning. Yeah. You know, when
he, when he would release theso called files, you know, in the
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list and all that stuff, they,the, those influencers did seem to
be turning against him. Butthe thing is they're just so entrenched,
they're so embedded in thisMAGA movement. That's where money,
that's where the paycheckscome from and it just blows over,
you know, and now they're,they're openly making excuses. Hey,
even if Trump did screw a 14year old, you know, he's doing the
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price of eggs are down. Youknow what I mean? It's just. What
the hell's going on, man?
Yeah, you had some involvementwith the Stormy Daniels case, so
could you tell the listeners alittle bit about that? And, and at
the time, did you think thatwas going to be a turn out to be
a bigger deal than it, than itproved to be?
Yeah, yeah. It's like, it'slike Charlie Brown with the football.
We always think it's going tobe a big. This is the time. We always
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think this is the scandalthat's going to take them down and
it never happens. Yeah, I knoweverybody involved in that deal.
Gina Rodriguez is thismanager, this agent and she was my
agent. She was my manager fora while there too. She was my client
too. She got me involved in alot of stuff. The lawsuit against
Charlie Sheen and some work wedid against Ashton Kutcher. We, I
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did some cell phone forensicsin that case. I did all the cell
phone forensics in the Tigerwoods mistresses case. All those,
that was all for GinaRodriguez. She got me hooked up with
all those people and she wasthe agent for Stormy Daniels and
she was the one along withKeith Davidson, who's Been a client
of mine for years and alsobeen a sponsor on my show, the Opera
Report. He's a sponsor of theshow, and he was the attorney that
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negotiated that deal waybefore Avenatti came on board and
screwed things up. So, yeah, Iknow everybody involved in that deal.
Dylan Howard, I know him.Keith Schiller. I did work with Keith
Schiller back in the old days,before he had any connection to notoriety
in the White House or anythinglike that, is way back in the old
days. So knew everybodyinvolved in that deal. And the very
start, I was saying, hey, thisis a legit deal, man. These aren't
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political people, Gina andKate. They are political people to
make up a story. So I knew itwas legit. And. But you'd think,
you know, 34 felonies, youthink that would have an effect,
right? No, it doesn't.
Yeah. Oh, Ed, we. We got toknow each other during the Lauren
Boebert days.
Oh, yeah.
And I enjoyed coming on yourshow and pontificating.
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So.
So where does. You know, oneof the things that I'm always interested
in our guests is, you knowwhat. Where's the motivation come
from? Where. How'd you end upin this industry as well?
Oh, boy, that's a. I've had along run, pal. I've had a. I've been
involved in a lot of stuff,man. I guess I was a political activist
with the Yippees back in Cityback in the 70s, as an anarchist,
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a street political activist,and got involved with them. And that's
how I first came into a sourcein the telephone company that if
someone needed a name andaddress from an unlisted phone number,
I had a source in the phonecompany that could produce that information.
And then we could even producelocal usages, all the phone calls
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coming from that phone number.And then at the top, it would have
their place of employment,their Social Security number, sometimes
even their bank accountnumber. So I had access to that information
was gold. And I went aroundtrying to sell to some PIs. I met
this private investigator inBrooklyn who worked on these huge
organized crime cases, theCarmine Persico case and the. The
Pizza Connection. And at theMatt Pizza Gate, people get confused.
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This is the Pizza Connection,a heroin smuggling operation that
went on back in the late 70s,early 80s. And all those cases against
Giuliani and Michael Chertoff,I worked all those cases. That's
the first time I met Giulianiback in those days. And so that's
when I got involved in the PIbusiness. That Was my little foot
in there because I had thataccess to that golden information
that nobody had back in thosedays. If we had identity theft back
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in those days, I'd be livingon an island with them, you know,
because the kind of info youcould get back in those days, man,
it's just unbelievable.
Huh. So you started out as. Itsounds like a liberal. How does a
liberal work in a, you know,private detective, law enforcement
space where it's mostly whiteconservative dudes?
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Oh, no, criminal defense. Ialways worked criminal defense. I've
never worked for the police.The only brush a few times I worked,
as a matter of fact, get this,man. The only time I've ever cooperated
with prosecutors is Epsteinrelated cases in the Virgin Islands.
And the case they first got mestarted with this. I was a witness
for the prosecution down inFlorida. That's the only time I've
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worked for the prosecutionthat I could think of. And then liberal.
I'm more of a socialist. I'm asocialist right now. I'm, I'm not
a capitalist whatsoever. I'mnot a Democrat or a Republican and.
But all my work has alwaysbeen criminal defense. I was always
on the side of the. Againstthe government.
Wow, interesting. So what,what's your take on all this, Epstein?
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Where. Where do you think it'sgoing to land and where do you think
Trump and others arevulnerable just based upon your general
knowledge?
Yeah. I did the first radiobroadcast on Jeffrey Epstein in 2013.
My guess was Robert Morrow.You know who Robert Morrow is, right?
No, I don't. Who is it?
Oh, he co. He ghost wrote forRoger Stone, Right? He goes through
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it all. Yeah. And so he's. Hehates Epstein and he's. He was very
involved in this Katie Johnsoncase to his wall, but he was the
only person out there who evenknew the name Epstein and the only
guest I could find. I searchedall over. So I haven't been involved
in this Epstein stuff way backfrom the start. And now, though,
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the story is controlled 100 bythe Epstein people. If you look around,
who's. Who do you see now?Just today I was looking on Tick
Tock. And who's on there?Michael Wolf, who was friends with
Epstein, was friends withBannon. You know, Bannon was friends
with Epstein. Who's callingfor the list, man, Epstein's brother,
who's sitting on a bunch ofshell corporations and a bunch of
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buildings, man. Where did.What is the source of income that
this guy has? 500 millionbucks, man, Epstein's brother. And
we're going to be relying onhim for information about Epstein's
death and Epstein'sdisappearance from that. That jail
cell in mcc, you know. Soeveryone out at Dershowitz. Oh, I
got the list. These are allthe guys who. On Epstein's side,
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these are all his pals. Thisis his closest friends, you know?
Right. So. So you thinkthey're trying to divert our attention
by pretending they're asoutraged, but they're not really
that outrage.
Oh, 100%, man. 100%. The storyis controlled by the Epstein people
and has been for quite a while.
Huh. Well, where do you thinkit's headed? I mean, you know, yesterday
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CBS had a really good reportthat there was a third person, well,
a second guard with Epstein inthat video. And lo and behold, you
know, we find out that. Ithink it was three of the four cameras
that would have picked this upwere inoperable. What's going on
here? Any idea?
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Yeah, I. Okay, I. I have a lotof experience with mcc. Okay. I worked.
I was in there back with that.That's when those organized crime
cases and my friends were inthere. You know, Hoffenberg was in
there. I've done 15 interviewswith Stephen Hoffenberg, Episcene's
former partner and mentor, andhe was in there for his crimes. It's.
It's one of the most corruptjails that we've ever experienced.
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Okay. A lot of contraband inthat jail. Another thing too, that
I could tell you. I don't knowanything about this video. Okay.
I've spent a lot of time aboutthat. I know Julie K. Brown is screaming
from the rooftops about it,that it's not even pointed in the
right direction. The video hasnothing to do with Epstein, and I
trust it for the most part.But one thing I can tell you that's
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unreported about Epstein andthat jail is Efrenstone Reyes, the
mystery man. Nobody even knowshis name. If you Google who was the
last inmate, the last cellmateof Jeffrey Epstein, the only thing
you're going to come up withis that Taglia daddy guy, the big
muscle bound murderer who wasa one time cellmate. But the last
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cellmate was this guy,Efronstone Reyes, who was getting
money in his commissary byEpstein's lawyers. He was removed
from the cell that day becausethe guy was a snitch. He was working
on his own cases. I see. Hewasn't there the day of the death
though. The disappearance,whatever you want to call it. But
guess what? Good oldEfronstone Reyes is dead today too.
He has another death died ofCOVID Supposedly he was released
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on one of those Covid releasedeals and now he's gone as well,
resting in peace. But thestory with him was unconfirmed, is
that he was in there jonesingon heroin and Epstein was able to
get him a smuggle someSuboxone in there for him. That's
been widely reported. I can'tconfirm it or deny it, but the fact
that nobody knows he's in thereport, he's in that final Epstein
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report, which I have for freeup on my Patreon, but otherwise unreported.
Nobody talks about this guy at all.
So how is it connected? Tiethis together.
He was Epstein's last cellmatethat no one talks about. He was interviewed
by Bill Barr after Epstein'sdeath and now he's dead. Okay. And
he also talks about Epsteinhaving enough juice in that jail
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to to smuggle in Suboxone forhim. And he was removed from the
cell the day of thedisappearance of the death.
Interesting. Ah, crazy.
Crazy.
So.
So.
All right, so you have it toldme where this is headed yet or our
listeners, where. Where do youthink Trump ends up in all of this?
Again, good question. I justinterviewed Jeff Gilson who was known
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Maxwell for years, his friendswas murdered by that bunch of arms
smugglers with Robert Maxwelland he knows Ari Bin Menashi and
that crew and stuff. And hegoes back to talking about the Russian
money laundering involved inall this. Now I what I find interesting
is because there's a Murdochconnection to all this, way back
to Robert Maxwell. Murdochinherited all of Maxwell's dir. Dirty
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tricks and dirty, dirtypaperwork and blackmail dirt and
a lot of his media empirestuff. And Murdoch was involved with
the Hoffenberg. The Hoffenbergrescued the New York Post and then
Murdoch took it over. And nowwe see Murdoch drip, drip, drip,
releasing all thisinformation, this birthday book and
all this stuff about Trump.And I think Murdoch has a lot of
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dirt about Trump. In fact Iknow he does. And I know also to
AMI does and AMI seems tostill be in cahoots with Trump, but
Murdoch does seems to be not.And a lot of drip, drip, drip is
coming out, more than I'veever seen before. You know, in 2015
when I worked on the KatieJohnson case, none of this stuff
was out there. And now we'reseeing videos, brand new videos,
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Victoria's Secret party is allkind of stuff. Birthday letters and
leather bound books. A lot ofnew information is coming out and
it seems like the tides areturning on Trump and they're going
to use this against him.
Well, let's hope so. Yeah,let's hope so. Over to you, Mo. Take
it.
Yeah.
Well, I just wonder, do youthink it's going to make any difference?
I mean, even, you know, if allthis stuff comes out, do you think
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it's gonna make a dent in Trump?
No, I don't. I think we're soinoculated by all this that the,
the true believers will neverbelieve it. He's a man of God and
he was anointed by Christ tokind of save us, you know, from whatever.
I don't know if something, Ithink this Putin dirt coming out
too, I think permanent has thesame dirt as, as Murdoch has. As
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a matter of fact, I justinterviewed Georgi Skalaza exclusively.
Guy hasn't done an interviewsince, since he first went into the
public. He's the one in theMueller report telling Michael Cohen,
I stopped the flow of tapestalking about the Russian P tapes,
the blackmail tapes there. SoI think that Putin has dirt. I think
Putin's threatening to releaseit. I think that Trump will just
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say, oh, this is all made upby the Dems, it's made up by Putin.
And the true believers willbelieve it. The ones, the influencers
who, that's where theirpaycheck comes. They'll just go along
with it. When he lies, theylie to, to back him up. You know,
there's, they, there's,there's no dignity or self respect
in that bunch whatsoever. And,and people like you and me that are
screaming from the rooftopabout what a piece of this guy is,
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you know, it's openly pieceof. What more do you want, guys?
A rapist man, a fraud and acon man and every, you know, in court,
you know. But no, it doesn'tseem to matter. Then in 2025, do
you think we'll.
Ever get back to the day whereit does matter or are we just too
far gone?
Talk to a lot of people thatare sober. People like Craig Unger,
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you know, he's a very soberreporter. And I talk to these people
and more and more peoplesaying they think martial laws. Around
the corner, we see these ICEagents, masked armed thugs which
seem to have very littletraining in crowd control or even
cuffing people, basictraining. I don't know where they're
getting, pulling these guysoff the street. Seem to have very
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little training. These guysand the budget bigger than the US
Marines right now. Plus theydo have the backup from the Marines.
Plus these Are local stateslike in Florida here, fl. The local
Florida police now have afederal authority. They've been deputized
federally to. To enforceimmigration, too. And then there's
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that whole local highwaypatrols that have been deputized
to federal enforcement of druglaws. So there's a lot of federal
control over local policeincreasing. Like I said, I spent
my whole life doing criminaldefense work, and that whole situation
is terrifying because I don'tknow if you know the difference between
being prosecuted by a localprosecutor or a federal prosecutor.
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It's like a 97% convictionrate federal court, and you got to
do 85% of your time. It's awhole different ballgame.
Yeah, yeah. Tay is a retiredmilitary guy. I'm just appalled,
you know, seeing U.S. troopsout on American streets, you know,
not facing out towards theborder to keep the enemy out, but
facing inward to. To try tocontrol the public. And I never thought
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I'd see that day happen herein America. Hey, what. What's a.
What's a story that our readeror listeners don't know about that
you think would be of interest?
Oh, boy, there's a ton of themout there. I've been on this. I feel
like a dog with a bone on thistopic because it's 2013. Yeah. Barbara
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Pilling, okay. Was one ofthose models. She was 16 years old.
Firsthand witness. She was hiton by Trump at 16. He knew she was
16. I have an exclusiveinterview with her and she talks
about Trump having a 17 yearold Russian girlfriend. We can't
forget too, that wholebusiness with Jared Kushner when
his father did that blackmailoperation. Those were Russian teens,
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too, that he used to blackmailhis brother in law. So there seems
to be a lot of Russian teensinvolved in all this. The other one
is Heather Braden, who talksabout Steve Mnuchin, who came out
as the registered agent forJean Luke Bernal's modeling agency.
And he claims he has no ideahow it happened. Oh, my goodness.
How'd my name get on there?Happens all the time. Right. But
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she has an eyewitness. She'sseen him hanging around the modeling
agency. But the big one is theJohn Tino story, which. Fascinating
story. Okay. Because the firstI heard about it is in 2019, after
Epstein's death. My phone blewup off the hook. I was hearing from
every tabloid out there.Suddenly everybody wanted to talk
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to Ed Opprom about Epstein andmostly was through Hoffenberg and.
And I had. I'm the one whodiscovered that 24 page letter of
Clinton Being involved ofEpstein being involved with the Clinton
foundation, authored byattorney Jerry Leftcourt. So I was
the one that obtained that.And suddenly in 2019, everyone was
going to my website andpurchasing that letter, which I was
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selling for $1.99 at the time,discounted from 250. But what do
you call it? So everyonestarts hitting me up these tabloids,
and people are asking me, ed,what do you think of this John Tino
story? And I said, well, Ihaven't heard anything about it.
What's the John Tina story?And they were trying to sway me away
from the John Tino story. Andhow it goes is John Tino is a fake
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name, but he was an organizedcrime fellow in New York city in
the 70s in Times Square, andhe ran a massage parlor. And he says
that he would arrange forsexual encounters with Trump and
porn stars. And there was oneoccasion where Trump wanted to have
an underage girl, and hearranged for a threesome with an
underage teen kid and a pornstar. And now that book was. That
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story was published in a bookcalled all the President's Women
by Mr. Levine. And this Frenchwoman, I forget her name. I had them
both on my show. It's in thebook. But when I had them on the
show, they would talk aboutanything in the book, but they couldn't
remember the John Tino story.It's in the book. But they, you know,
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they didn't want to talk aboutit. I pulled it out of them as much
as I could, but they didn'twant to talk about it. And I, I found
out since that this is apattern with Mr. Trump, is that even
after something's published,he will get to the people involved
and put them on the payroll.And even if it's published, they
don't want to talk about itanymore. You know, and all these
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published books out there, butthe modeling agency and the modeling
stuff, there's books, they'vewritten books, but then they don't
want to talk about to selltheir book, and they have money coming
in from somewhere else.
So at sounds like you're onthe edge of a lot of interesting
stuff.
Can't help it.
And tell us a story about whenyou have been nervous. You know,
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you're talking about organizedcrime, you're talking about Trump,
which is, you know, isorganized crime, as far as I'm concerned.
Tell us a story about when yougot a little nervous that maybe you
were a little too deep in the story.
Yeah, well, okay. Theorganized crime stuff never worried
me because I was Very friendlywith those guys. I went a nightclub
in New York City at the time,and I was a smuggler, too. I used
to smuggler uncle marijuana. Iwas out there doing stuff back in
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those days. I ran with thebulls in Spain as a kid. I was a
wild man, you know, So Iwasn't worried about that. And. And
the office I worked out of inBrooklyn was very friendly to organized
crime. And even later on, whenthey tried to shake me down, I wasn't
worried about that. But so theorganized crime stuff, I never had
any problems with. I alwaysgot along great with that. One thing
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went the Sarah Palininvestigation. What happened was
Gina Rodriguez was contactedby Shelly Tripp, who was a massage
therapist in Alaska. And shehad. One of her clients was Todd
Palin. And so she gotarrested. And. But. And she did a.
She got paid $50,000 by theNational Enquirer. They had four
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polygraph examiners test her,and she passed with flying colors.
But then the police chief ofAnchorage, Alaska, came out and said,
well, we looked into all this,and all these allegations are false.
Well, it turns out that thatletter that he put out there was
written by Sarah Palin'sattorney and just put on the police
chief letterhead. And so whenI was exposed to that, no one was
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helping Shelly Trip. It wasjust me and her, because Gina had
dropped her. There wasn'tenough juice there. So it was just
me and Shelly. And I wasscared. I was very scared with that
one. And I didn't know what. Iguess this is my first big political
one, you know, And I thoughtI'd be dealing with the Republican
operatives, but instead, no.My house is broken into. My dog was
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drugged. A lot of stuffhappened during that. Stuff. People
that were clearly foreignagents were inserting themselves
into my life.
Who was it? Who was it? Andwho sent them?
Well, I think Russia was oneand China was the other. Okay, but
who sent them?
Why. Why would they beinterested in Ed Opperman?
Well, because I had the juice.I had the. The dirt on Sarah Palin
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and Todd Palin. And see, whathappened was when the case was ended,
when there was a dispositionto Shelly Tripp's case, the prostitution
case there, and the sheriff'sdepartment or the police department,
I forget, in Anchorage,Alaska, sent me her laptop and sent
me her diaries and all hermaterial. It was that same exact
day that Sarah Palin went onTV and said she was not running for
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president. Okay, so gettinginvolved in that when. When Shelly
Tripp was out there all on herown and Me just making that decision
that I was going to help herout when even Gina wasn't taking
the case. There was no lawyerinvolved. There was no nothing. You
know, it was just, you know, alawyer came involved later on when
what happened was. That's along story. But what happened then
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was she sees on the news thatObama, these Secret Service agents
in Colombia wouldn't pay theirtab, and they got arrested down in
Colombia. And she says, I knowthat guy. That's the guy. He did
the same thing to me. He cameto Anchorage, Alaska. He was one
of Sarah Palin's SecretService agents, and they didn't pay
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me. Jesus. All right, howwould she know? How would she know?
You know what I mean?
Ed, Ed, you're in the middleof all this.
I know, I know.
It's really interesting. Sotell us, you know, why is it that
it seems like the Republicansare always the ones in the middle
(24:22):
of this? You know, you go backto. You go back to, I don't know,
the Nixon era, You know, RogerStone playing games there. You fast
forward to Reagan hostages formissiles. It seems like the Republicans
are always the ones in themiddle of this crap. Why? Is it.
Is it because Democrats aren'tany fun anymore or what's the deal?
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Well, I. I don't want to berude, okay, but it seems like the
Democratic Party is moreinterested. And I just did some oppo
research this last cycle, andit seems like they're more interested
in diverting funds to theirown use and to their friends and
their consultant buddies thanthey are in really winning. You know,
and there's the. It's a slowmoving ship. You can't. The orders
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from the top come down so slowthat there's really. It's hopeless.
Is in my estimation also, too,when you go to them and say, hey,
dudes, look at the dirt I havehere on. On Trump or on you. Other
people you and I have talkedabout privately. Look at what we
got. All we need is a littlebit of money and we could get this
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movie on a silver platter. Andit goes nowhere. Nobody's interested.
And whitey, is that becausethey're too pure?
I don't think they're pure. Idon't think they're pure. I think
it's. I don't know, man. Ijust. They're on the balls maybe.
I don't know.
I think. I think you're right.I think it's. They don't have a stomach
(25:52):
for it. They think they'reabove it, and they don't realize
that, that that's why they'relosing. They think they're losing
because they've got badcandidates or whatever. No, it's
because the Republicans areusing every tool in the shed to win,
and they use the rules to winsometimes, as Mo points out. So it's
just really interesting thatthe Republicans don't seem to be
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morally hinged on using thisinformation to their advantage. But
the Democrats are, and youknow, we've been talking about it
for a long time, and theDemocrats all say, oh, yeah, well
that'd be great if we coulduse it. But then when we have something
and we want to pay for an ad,they won't. Nobody gets behind it.
You're absolutely right. We. Ihave talked to more donors, rich
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and poor, that don't have thestomach for it. I just, I don't get
it. It. I, I don't get it.
I, I don't either. And I doknow that there's a lot of these
Democrat type influencers andpodcasters. I, I know there was some
money floating aroundsupporting these guys and I know
who was behind it. Exactly whowas behind it. I have his phone number,
but for some reason, I don'tknow, I guess I'm too left. They
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don't want to touch me. Theydon't want to do the dirty tricks
route. They just don't want todo it. Kind of funny is a friend
of mine, someone very close tome, works at one of these local campaign
offices for the Democrats thatis accused of rigging voting machines
and all this kind of stufflike that. And I got to tell you,
the, the idea that they wouldbe capable of rigging vote in that
office, that anybody in thatoffice would be capable.
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Well, I think that appliesprobably up to the DSC level too.
You know, they're just,they're, they're, they think nefarious
is, you know, putting aquarter in and getting a, a bottle
of pop that's supposed to costa dollar. So.
Well, they're literallysitting around trying to work Taylor
Swift lyrics into their pressreleases. Okay? That's what they're
saying, rather than doctoringthe voting machines. But on the other
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side, man, they got, you know,I interviewed Patrick Bergey, man,
you know, who was examine theHunter Biden laptop, man, you know,
at Rudy Giuliani's apartment. Okay.
Really?
Oh, you want to hear a funnystory about that, Patrick? Okay,
listen, I got the rundown onthe laptop, man. I got, I got a,
I interviewed everybody on thelaptop. I got the whole chain of
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custody on the laptop. HunterBiden's attorney in his lawsuit is
using my theory of the chainof custody on the laptop. Not that
everybody's squeaky clean onthe, on the laptop stuff, but when
the laptop or one of thelaptops are a backup of all the laptops,
it's several laptops. Was atRudy Giuliani's house. And when Rudy
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Giuliani got raided by the FBIand the Department of Justice and
they seized all of hiselectronics in his phones and his
computer, they took everythingbut the Hunter Biden laptop. They
left that one behind.
You got to be kidding me. Why?
I wish I was, man. I wish Iwas. I wish I was. And there's other
things I could tell you, man,I don't want to say on the air. Not
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that they don't deserve it,but just, you know, it's told to
me in confidence, you know,know that's a, it's a dirty game.
It really is. And I, you know,the thing that's. That shocks me
is how political the FBI andDOJ is. I mean, even under, well,
not necessarily under Biden,but, you know, maybe under Eric Holder.
You know, they went out on thelimb a couple times that on some
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things that probablyshouldn't, they shouldn't have. And
clearly under Trump, he seesit as his own personal law firm.
But over, over to you, Mo. Onemore. Sorry about that.
Yeah, boy. Ed, listen, I, it'sreally been interesting. I appreciate
you taking time to do this,and I know our listeners are really
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going to enjoy hearing allthis, but can you give us, give us
one more on the way out thatyou think folks out here in western
North Carolina would like toknow about?
Well, one thing I'll say aboutthis is during like Stormy Daniels,
okay, the FBI was very heavyhanded. An SDN one was very, very
hands. Heavy handed.Interviewing witnesses. I don't know
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if you've ever been up againstfederal investigators, man, but they'll
go after your mother, youknow, they'll say, we got dirt on
your mother. We're gonnaarrest your mother, you know, if
you don't confess andcooperate with us, you know. And
they said they were very, veryheavy handed. But you want to know
what, man? They never asked asingle question about Trump and Epstein.
They never asked a singlequestion about Trump and Katie Johnson.
And some of the peopleinvolved in that were very knowledgeable
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about what was going on. Theynever came to me. No one has come
to me and says, hey, Ed, whatdo you know about this? Okay. Only
more recently, just I postedon Reddit that that was my case.
I started getting someReuters. But otherwise, man, like,
I'll be interviewed by BBC.And right before the interview starts,
I'll say, hey, hey, don'tmention anything about Trump and
Epstein. You know, that's howmuch power and influence this guy
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David Pecker and Ami and thesecharacters had over the media and.
And Murdoch, too. The mediamoguls, they control it, man.
What do you think is going tohappen with the whole Murdoch lawsuit?
I mean, these guys used to bebig buddies. Is this going to be
another one of thosesettlements or what's going to happen
with it?
I cannot imagine that Murdochallowed that to be published without
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either having a photograph ofthat letter. We know the letter.
We know that binder exists. Weknow that even Brad Edwards said
it exists in the. Theinventory of the estate. So we know
the binder exists. We know nowthat. We know that Clinton wrote
a letter in there, too, and acouple other guys wrote letters in
there, too. So I can't believethat Murdoch went ahead without having
that letter, a picture of theletter, or 10 witnesses who stole
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the letter. And I think thathis first reply will be a copy of
the letter. The first responsein the first motion.
I hope so.
Yeah. Well, let's get the.That's all I can say.
Otherwise, they got some kindof deal going on in the background,
and it's all a big act, youknow, because like I said, the Epstein
story is controlled by TheEpstein people. 100. I can tell you
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guys, man. Okay. I see thesame people you do on Twitter, 500,000
followers. You know, all thesepeople talk, all the Epstein experts,
right? None of them have evercome to me and said, hey, Ed, what
do you know about this KatieJohnson case? And when I would contact
them and say, hey, you'retalking about my case. Do you have
any questions? No, they're toobusy tweeting to talk to Ed Opperman.
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The only time. The only timeone of these huge experts has ever
come to me for any kind ofhelp was to dig up. Up dirt on plaintiffs,
was to dig up dirt onHoffenberg. Not. Not to advance the
defense and not to advance theprosecution, not to advance the plaintiffs,
but to hinder the plaintiffs,to hinder the prosecution. And these
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are the people that if I wereto say their names out loud, I would
have a hundred thousand trollbots and tweets attacking me.
We'll say their names outloud. Come on.
Yeah, right. Well, maybe.
Maybe with the Colonel, I'llsay it. I Don't give a.
If the colonel wants to comewith a. With a tank. If he can get
one of his old tanks.
(32:44):
Yeah, well, it'd be anaircraft, but.
Anyway, even better, man.
Well, listen, Ed, how canfolks, you know, you've. You've told
some great stories. You soundfrustrated, like we do in that difficult
getting our message outsometimes. What. What should folks
do, in your estimation, to. Tomove some of these stories forward?
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You know what?
I don't know, man. I. I don'tthink there's any hope to move you.
I don't think there's anyhope, you know, really. Even. Oh,
yeah. And even if you go back,even when Epstein was alive or if
he's still alive, you know, itwas. Just walked out of there, which
I think. But, you know, he. Atmit, he was funding mit, their media
research center at mit, theseguys and a Gawker magazine, these
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guys have been funding thetabloids and controlling the tabloids
and controlling the news. Evenwhen I'm quoted in the tabloids,
they take my stuff in the. Youknow, I said it, but it's really
not what I would. But theentire context of what I said, you
know, so it's just socontrolled by the Epstein crew and
that bunch and that filthy,dirty crew, man, that I don't know
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if there's any hope.
So you think he walked out ofthat prison in New York?
I think that, yeah. I wouldhave to say that. I can't believe
that they would allow. Becausethe guy did have intelligence connections.
I know a lot of people try topoint to massad, but you got to look
up the whole. Douglas Lee'sconnections into arms dealing and
Russian money laundering. Theguy had connections up the wands.
It was a very corrupt jail,and there's enough people involved
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to have the Jews to get himout there. Why kill him, you know,
when you could have them onyour side? And plus that all that
kind of intelligence stuff,that's generational, you know, he
comes. This is generationalstuff going back to Robert Maxwell.
So you can't. How you going tohire people in the future if they're
going to let you hang out thedry and get killed in jail?
That's true. Well, they had aton of money. They seem to be spread,
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spreading it all over the place.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm on thewrong team, I'll tell you that.
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.All right, well, that's a wrap for
this episode of the MuckyouPodcast. A huge thanks to our guest
private detective Ed Oppermanfrom the Opperman Report for sharing
his incredible insights andstories. We're still reeling in some
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of those revelations. Hey, Ed,if folks want to listen to your pod
or learn more about you, whereshould, where can they find you?
Well, the best way to hear theshow is spreaker.com. that's the
one. And it's the leastcensored because it's very hard to
find the show on Google andstuff like that to find shows. I
got 15 hours with StephenHoffenberg, who was Epstein's partner
(35:24):
and, and a mentor. You know,he's passed away now, too, as well.
Patreon, the Opperman Report.Patreon. Even if you don't want to
sign up for 10 cents a day, ifthat's too much to support that offering,
there's plenty of free stuffup there, too. All the Katie Johnson
docs up there for free. Allthis litigation and paperwork and
stuff, it's always up therefor free. Anything that comes up
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right away, I'll put it uphere for free.
Okay. And that, and that'soperandreport patron.com or.
What is at patreon. Yeah,patreon.com. it's a, you know, a
paywall kind of service. Andotherwise, just Google a report and
you'll find it. It's all inthe place.
Okay. Well, I'm a big fan, Ed,and, and I enjoyed coming on your
show, talking about LaurenBobert in the old days. And so this
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is a little bit of a reunionfor us. But thank you again for joining
us. I'm David Wheeleralongside my co host, Colonel Mo
Davis. You enjoyed the show.Hit that subscribe button. Leave
us a review and join us nexttime as we dig deeper and deeper
into the muck. Stay vigilant,folks. We'll see you soon.
Hey, folks, this is DavidWheeler. Welcome back to mucu. Mo
and I have had a little bit ofa vacation the last couple weeks,
but we're back, and we've gota really, really interesting guest
today. And for that, I'll turnit over to Mo. Jacob.
Hey, thanks. Let me just putout a clarification here. You know,
David said we've been onvacation, not together. That's how
(00:24):
rumors get started.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's true. Not thatthere's anything wrong with it.
No, no, no.
I just want to make.
No, I've been with kids inIowa. We went to state fair. We actually
had a ball. We went to acombine demo derby in Iowa.
So anyway, yeah, we went toEngland, which was a lot of fun.
(00:44):
But when I came back, I guessit was Monday. I was going to the
hardware store, and I got tothe bottom of the hill at the intersection.
I thought, something's not right.
And it dawned on me.
I was on the wrong side of theroad. So it took a little bit.
Well, that's the story of mylife. We digress. Yes. All right,
take it. Take it.
Yeah, sure. Well, listen, it'sa. You know, Ed Opperman's joining
(01:06):
us today. Should be aninteresting show. Ed's a. An investigative
reporter. He has a privatedetective agency, computer and cell
phone forensic company, andhe's also the host of the Opperman
Report, the place forscandals, politics, and true crime
stories. So, Ed, thanks fortaking time out and joining us today.
Hey, thanks for having me, guys.
(01:26):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, listen, I'm justcurious, you know, some of the scandal
stuff, you know, back in theday, you remember, like monkey business,
you know, when. When Hart, youknow, was down in Florida and. Oh,
yeah, that ended his career.It seems like now that, you know,
all the scandals that are.It's like daily fare just don't seem
to have any impact anymore. Isthat. Is that your impression?
(01:50):
Yeah. Trump, the king of alltabloid media, has changed the ball
game. Like you, you know, GaryHart. Yeah. As a matter of fact,
I'm interviewing Dan o',Hanks, private investigator on Saturday,
and he's the one who used tokill all the Trump stories for the
tabloids for ami when he was.Worked with them for years and years.
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Wow.
Do you think they matteranymore? I mean, it's the public
just kind of gotten, you know,immune to. To scandal. Yeah.
The old expression that eitherbe caught with, what was it, A live
boy or a dead girl, you know,and that's. God, totally out the
window now. They're makingexcuses for, you know, Trump just
(02:33):
came out last week talkingabout how Epstein stole Virginia
Jew free from him. You knowthat. And we can imagine that 10
years ago. My God.
I know.
Yeah.
It seems like we're in anenvironment that, and again, you
know, I'm, you know, I'm aDemocrat and a candidate running
for office that it seems likeRepublican, Republican. There's nothing
a Republican can do wrong andnothing, nothing a Democrat can do
(02:56):
right. That all these scandalsjust seem to bounce off. And what
do you, what do you think withthe, you know, it seems like the
Epstein thing has gotten moretraction than some of the others,
you know, with Joe Rogan andsome of the other traditional Trump
supporters seem to have kindof latched on to it.
And don't want to let go inthe beginning. Yeah. You know, when
he, when he would release theso called files, you know, in the
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list and all that stuff, they,the, those influencers did seem to
be turning against him. Butthe thing is they're just so entrenched,
they're so embedded in thisMAGA movement. That's where money,
that's where the paycheckscome from and it just blows over,
you know, and now they're,they're openly making excuses. Hey,
even if Trump did screw a 14year old, you know, he's doing the
(03:41):
price of eggs are down. Youknow what I mean? It's just. What
the hell's going on, man?
Yeah, you had some involvementwith the Stormy Daniels case, so
could you tell the listeners alittle bit about that? And, and at
the time, did you think thatwas going to be a turn out to be
a bigger deal than it, than itproved to be?
Yeah, yeah. It's like, it'slike Charlie Brown with the football.
We always think it's going tobe a big. This is the time. We always
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think this is the scandalthat's going to take them down and
it never happens. Yeah, I knoweverybody involved in that deal.
Gina Rodriguez is thismanager, this agent and she was my
agent. She was my manager fora while there too. She was my client
too. She got me involved in alot of stuff. The lawsuit against
Charlie Sheen and some work wedid against Ashton Kutcher. We, I
(04:25):
did some cell phone forensicsin that case. I did all the cell
phone forensics in the Tigerwoods mistresses case. All those,
that was all for GinaRodriguez. She got me hooked up with
all those people and she wasthe agent for Stormy Daniels and
she was the one along withKeith Davidson, who's Been a client
of mine for years and alsobeen a sponsor on my show, the Opera
Report. He's a sponsor of theshow, and he was the attorney that
(04:48):
negotiated that deal waybefore Avenatti came on board and
screwed things up. So, yeah, Iknow everybody involved in that deal.
Dylan Howard, I know him.Keith Schiller. I did work with Keith
Schiller back in the old days,before he had any connection to notoriety
in the White House or anythinglike that, is way back in the old
days. So knew everybodyinvolved in that deal. And the very
start, I was saying, hey, thisis a legit deal, man. These aren't
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political people, Gina andKate. They are political people to
make up a story. So I knew itwas legit. And. But you'd think,
you know, 34 felonies, youthink that would have an effect,
right? No, it doesn't.
Yeah. Oh, Ed, we. We got toknow each other during the Lauren
Boebert days.
Oh, yeah.
And I enjoyed coming on yourshow and pontificating.
(05:33):
So.
So where does. You know, oneof the things that I'm always interested
in our guests is, you knowwhat. Where's the motivation come
from? Where. How'd you end upin this industry as well?
Oh, boy, that's a. I've had along run, pal. I've had a. I've been
involved in a lot of stuff,man. I guess I was a political activist
with the Yippees back in Cityback in the 70s, as an anarchist,
(05:55):
a street political activist,and got involved with them. And that's
how I first came into a sourcein the telephone company that if
someone needed a name andaddress from an unlisted phone number,
I had a source in the phonecompany that could produce that information.
And then we could even producelocal usages, all the phone calls
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coming from that phone number.And then at the top, it would have
their place of employment,their Social Security number, sometimes
even their bank accountnumber. So I had access to that information
was gold. And I went aroundtrying to sell to some PIs. I met
this private investigator inBrooklyn who worked on these huge
organized crime cases, theCarmine Persico case and the. The
Pizza Connection. And at theMatt Pizza Gate, people get confused.
(06:40):
This is the Pizza Connection,a heroin smuggling operation that
went on back in the late 70s,early 80s. And all those cases against
Giuliani and Michael Chertoff,I worked all those cases. That's
the first time I met Giulianiback in those days. And so that's
when I got involved in the PIbusiness. That Was my little foot
in there because I had thataccess to that golden information
that nobody had back in thosedays. If we had identity theft back
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in those days, I'd be livingon an island with them, you know,
because the kind of info youcould get back in those days, man,
it's just unbelievable.
Huh. So you started out as. Itsounds like a liberal. How does a
liberal work in a, you know,private detective, law enforcement
space where it's mostly whiteconservative dudes?
(07:24):
Oh, no, criminal defense. Ialways worked criminal defense. I've
never worked for the police.The only brush a few times I worked,
as a matter of fact, get this,man. The only time I've ever cooperated
with prosecutors is Epsteinrelated cases in the Virgin Islands.
And the case they first got mestarted with this. I was a witness
for the prosecution down inFlorida. That's the only time I've
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worked for the prosecutionthat I could think of. And then liberal.
I'm more of a socialist. I'm asocialist right now. I'm, I'm not
a capitalist whatsoever. I'mnot a Democrat or a Republican and.
But all my work has alwaysbeen criminal defense. I was always
on the side of the. Againstthe government.
Wow, interesting. So what,what's your take on all this, Epstein?
(08:08):
Where. Where do you think it'sgoing to land and where do you think
Trump and others arevulnerable just based upon your general
knowledge?
Yeah. I did the first radiobroadcast on Jeffrey Epstein in 2013.
My guess was Robert Morrow.You know who Robert Morrow is, right?
No, I don't. Who is it?
Oh, he co. He ghost wrote forRoger Stone, Right? He goes through
(08:34):
it all. Yeah. And so he's. Hehates Epstein and he's. He was very
involved in this Katie Johnsoncase to his wall, but he was the
only person out there who evenknew the name Epstein and the only
guest I could find. I searchedall over. So I haven't been involved
in this Epstein stuff way backfrom the start. And now, though,
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the story is controlled 100 bythe Epstein people. If you look around,
who's. Who do you see now?Just today I was looking on Tick
Tock. And who's on there?Michael Wolf, who was friends with
Epstein, was friends withBannon. You know, Bannon was friends
with Epstein. Who's callingfor the list, man, Epstein's brother,
who's sitting on a bunch ofshell corporations and a bunch of
(09:18):
buildings, man. Where did.What is the source of income that
this guy has? 500 millionbucks, man, Epstein's brother. And
we're going to be relying onhim for information about Epstein's
death and Epstein'sdisappearance from that. That jail
cell in mcc, you know. Soeveryone out at Dershowitz. Oh, I
got the list. These are allthe guys who. On Epstein's side,
(09:38):
these are all his pals. Thisis his closest friends, you know?
Right. So. So you thinkthey're trying to divert our attention
by pretending they're asoutraged, but they're not really
that outrage.
Oh, 100%, man. 100%. The storyis controlled by the Epstein people
and has been for quite a while.
Huh. Well, where do you thinkit's headed? I mean, you know, yesterday
(10:00):
CBS had a really good reportthat there was a third person, well,
a second guard with Epstein inthat video. And lo and behold, you
know, we find out that. Ithink it was three of the four cameras
that would have picked this upwere inoperable. What's going on
here? Any idea?
(10:20):
Yeah, I. Okay, I. I have a lotof experience with mcc. Okay. I worked.
I was in there back with that.That's when those organized crime
cases and my friends were inthere. You know, Hoffenberg was in
there. I've done 15 interviewswith Stephen Hoffenberg, Episcene's
former partner and mentor, andhe was in there for his crimes. It's.
It's one of the most corruptjails that we've ever experienced.
(10:41):
Okay. A lot of contraband inthat jail. Another thing too, that
I could tell you. I don't knowanything about this video. Okay.
I've spent a lot of time aboutthat. I know Julie K. Brown is screaming
from the rooftops about it,that it's not even pointed in the
right direction. The video hasnothing to do with Epstein, and I
trust it for the most part.But one thing I can tell you that's
(11:01):
unreported about Epstein andthat jail is Efrenstone Reyes, the
mystery man. Nobody even knowshis name. If you Google who was the
last inmate, the last cellmateof Jeffrey Epstein, the only thing
you're going to come up withis that Taglia daddy guy, the big
muscle bound murderer who wasa one time cellmate. But the last
(11:23):
cellmate was this guy,Efronstone Reyes, who was getting
money in his commissary byEpstein's lawyers. He was removed
from the cell that day becausethe guy was a snitch. He was working
on his own cases. I see. Hewasn't there the day of the death
though. The disappearance,whatever you want to call it. But
guess what? Good oldEfronstone Reyes is dead today too.
He has another death died ofCOVID Supposedly he was released
(11:46):
on one of those Covid releasedeals and now he's gone as well,
resting in peace. But thestory with him was unconfirmed, is
that he was in there jonesingon heroin and Epstein was able to
get him a smuggle someSuboxone in there for him. That's
been widely reported. I can'tconfirm it or deny it, but the fact
that nobody knows he's in thereport, he's in that final Epstein
(12:06):
report, which I have for freeup on my Patreon, but otherwise unreported.
Nobody talks about this guy at all.
So how is it connected? Tiethis together.
He was Epstein's last cellmatethat no one talks about. He was interviewed
by Bill Barr after Epstein'sdeath and now he's dead. Okay. And
he also talks about Epsteinhaving enough juice in that jail
(12:27):
to to smuggle in Suboxone forhim. And he was removed from the
cell the day of thedisappearance of the death.
Interesting. Ah, crazy.
Crazy.
So.
So.
All right, so you have it toldme where this is headed yet or our
listeners, where. Where do youthink Trump ends up in all of this?
Again, good question. I justinterviewed Jeff Gilson who was known
(12:48):
Maxwell for years, his friendswas murdered by that bunch of arms
smugglers with Robert Maxwelland he knows Ari Bin Menashi and
that crew and stuff. And hegoes back to talking about the Russian
money laundering involved inall this. Now I what I find interesting
is because there's a Murdochconnection to all this, way back
to Robert Maxwell. Murdochinherited all of Maxwell's dir. Dirty
(13:09):
tricks and dirty, dirtypaperwork and blackmail dirt and
a lot of his media empirestuff. And Murdoch was involved with
the Hoffenberg. The Hoffenbergrescued the New York Post and then
Murdoch took it over. And nowwe see Murdoch drip, drip, drip,
releasing all thisinformation, this birthday book and
all this stuff about Trump.And I think Murdoch has a lot of
(13:31):
dirt about Trump. In fact Iknow he does. And I know also to
AMI does and AMI seems tostill be in cahoots with Trump, but
Murdoch does seems to be not.And a lot of drip, drip, drip is
coming out, more than I'veever seen before. You know, in 2015
when I worked on the KatieJohnson case, none of this stuff
was out there. And now we'reseeing videos, brand new videos,
(13:53):
Victoria's Secret party is allkind of stuff. Birthday letters and
leather bound books. A lot ofnew information is coming out and
it seems like the tides areturning on Trump and they're going
to use this against him.
Well, let's hope so. Yeah,let's hope so. Over to you, Mo. Take
it.
Yeah.
Well, I just wonder, do youthink it's going to make any difference?
I mean, even, you know, if allthis stuff comes out, do you think
(14:15):
it's gonna make a dent in Trump?
No, I don't. I think we're soinoculated by all this that the,
the true believers will neverbelieve it. He's a man of God and
he was anointed by Christ tokind of save us, you know, from whatever.
I don't know if something, Ithink this Putin dirt coming out
too, I think permanent has thesame dirt as, as Murdoch has. As
(14:37):
a matter of fact, I justinterviewed Georgi Skalaza exclusively.
Guy hasn't done an interviewsince, since he first went into the
public. He's the one in theMueller report telling Michael Cohen,
I stopped the flow of tapestalking about the Russian P tapes,
the blackmail tapes there. SoI think that Putin has dirt. I think
Putin's threatening to releaseit. I think that Trump will just
(14:59):
say, oh, this is all made upby the Dems, it's made up by Putin.
And the true believers willbelieve it. The ones, the influencers
who, that's where theirpaycheck comes. They'll just go along
with it. When he lies, theylie to, to back him up. You know,
there's, they, there's,there's no dignity or self respect
in that bunch whatsoever. And,and people like you and me that are
screaming from the rooftopabout what a piece of this guy is,
(15:21):
you know, it's openly pieceof. What more do you want, guys?
A rapist man, a fraud and acon man and every, you know, in court,
you know. But no, it doesn'tseem to matter. Then in 2025, do
you think we'll.
Ever get back to the day whereit does matter or are we just too
far gone?
Talk to a lot of people thatare sober. People like Craig Unger,
(15:42):
you know, he's a very soberreporter. And I talk to these people
and more and more peoplesaying they think martial laws. Around
the corner, we see these ICEagents, masked armed thugs which
seem to have very littletraining in crowd control or even
cuffing people, basictraining. I don't know where they're
getting, pulling these guysoff the street. Seem to have very
(16:03):
little training. These guysand the budget bigger than the US
Marines right now. Plus theydo have the backup from the Marines.
Plus these Are local stateslike in Florida here, fl. The local
Florida police now have afederal authority. They've been deputized
federally to. To enforceimmigration, too. And then there's
(16:23):
that whole local highwaypatrols that have been deputized
to federal enforcement of druglaws. So there's a lot of federal
control over local policeincreasing. Like I said, I spent
my whole life doing criminaldefense work, and that whole situation
is terrifying because I don'tknow if you know the difference between
being prosecuted by a localprosecutor or a federal prosecutor.
(16:48):
It's like a 97% convictionrate federal court, and you got to
do 85% of your time. It's awhole different ballgame.
Yeah, yeah. Tay is a retiredmilitary guy. I'm just appalled,
you know, seeing U.S. troopsout on American streets, you know,
not facing out towards theborder to keep the enemy out, but
facing inward to. To try tocontrol the public. And I never thought
(17:10):
I'd see that day happen herein America. Hey, what. What's a.
What's a story that our readeror listeners don't know about that
you think would be of interest?
Oh, boy, there's a ton of themout there. I've been on this. I feel
like a dog with a bone on thistopic because it's 2013. Yeah. Barbara
(17:30):
Pilling, okay. Was one ofthose models. She was 16 years old.
Firsthand witness. She was hiton by Trump at 16. He knew she was
16. I have an exclusiveinterview with her and she talks
about Trump having a 17 yearold Russian girlfriend. We can't
forget too, that wholebusiness with Jared Kushner when
his father did that blackmailoperation. Those were Russian teens,
(17:53):
too, that he used to blackmailhis brother in law. So there seems
to be a lot of Russian teensinvolved in all this. The other one
is Heather Braden, who talksabout Steve Mnuchin, who came out
as the registered agent forJean Luke Bernal's modeling agency.
And he claims he has no ideahow it happened. Oh, my goodness.
How'd my name get on there?Happens all the time. Right. But
(18:14):
she has an eyewitness. She'sseen him hanging around the modeling
agency. But the big one is theJohn Tino story, which. Fascinating
story. Okay. Because the firstI heard about it is in 2019, after
Epstein's death. My phone blewup off the hook. I was hearing from
every tabloid out there.Suddenly everybody wanted to talk
(18:35):
to Ed Opprom about Epstein andmostly was through Hoffenberg and.
And I had. I'm the one whodiscovered that 24 page letter of
Clinton Being involved ofEpstein being involved with the Clinton
foundation, authored byattorney Jerry Leftcourt. So I was
the one that obtained that.And suddenly in 2019, everyone was
going to my website andpurchasing that letter, which I was
(18:56):
selling for $1.99 at the time,discounted from 250. But what do
you call it? So everyonestarts hitting me up these tabloids,
and people are asking me, ed,what do you think of this John Tino
story? And I said, well, Ihaven't heard anything about it.
What's the John Tina story?And they were trying to sway me away
from the John Tino story. Andhow it goes is John Tino is a fake
(19:17):
name, but he was an organizedcrime fellow in New York city in
the 70s in Times Square, andhe ran a massage parlor. And he says
that he would arrange forsexual encounters with Trump and
porn stars. And there was oneoccasion where Trump wanted to have
an underage girl, and hearranged for a threesome with an
underage teen kid and a pornstar. And now that book was. That
(19:42):
story was published in a bookcalled all the President's Women
by Mr. Levine. And this Frenchwoman, I forget her name. I had them
both on my show. It's in thebook. But when I had them on the
show, they would talk aboutanything in the book, but they couldn't
remember the John Tino story.It's in the book. But they, you know,
(20:03):
they didn't want to talk aboutit. I pulled it out of them as much
as I could, but they didn'twant to talk about it. And I, I found
out since that this is apattern with Mr. Trump, is that even
after something's published,he will get to the people involved
and put them on the payroll.And even if it's published, they
don't want to talk about itanymore. You know, and all these
(20:25):
published books out there, butthe modeling agency and the modeling
stuff, there's books, they'vewritten books, but then they don't
want to talk about to selltheir book, and they have money coming
in from somewhere else.
So at sounds like you're onthe edge of a lot of interesting
stuff.
Can't help it.
And tell us a story about whenyou have been nervous. You know,
(20:49):
you're talking about organizedcrime, you're talking about Trump,
which is, you know, isorganized crime, as far as I'm concerned.
Tell us a story about when yougot a little nervous that maybe you
were a little too deep in the story.
Yeah, well, okay. Theorganized crime stuff never worried
me because I was Very friendlywith those guys. I went a nightclub
in New York City at the time,and I was a smuggler, too. I used
to smuggler uncle marijuana. Iwas out there doing stuff back in
(21:12):
those days. I ran with thebulls in Spain as a kid. I was a
wild man, you know, So Iwasn't worried about that. And. And
the office I worked out of inBrooklyn was very friendly to organized
crime. And even later on, whenthey tried to shake me down, I wasn't
worried about that. But so theorganized crime stuff, I never had
any problems with. I alwaysgot along great with that. One thing
(21:33):
went the Sarah Palininvestigation. What happened was
Gina Rodriguez was contactedby Shelly Tripp, who was a massage
therapist in Alaska. And shehad. One of her clients was Todd
Palin. And so she gotarrested. And. But. And she did a.
She got paid $50,000 by theNational Enquirer. They had four
(21:54):
polygraph examiners test her,and she passed with flying colors.
But then the police chief ofAnchorage, Alaska, came out and said,
well, we looked into all this,and all these allegations are false.
Well, it turns out that thatletter that he put out there was
written by Sarah Palin'sattorney and just put on the police
chief letterhead. And so whenI was exposed to that, no one was
(22:15):
helping Shelly Trip. It wasjust me and her, because Gina had
dropped her. There wasn'tenough juice there. So it was just
me and Shelly. And I wasscared. I was very scared with that
one. And I didn't know what. Iguess this is my first big political
one, you know, And I thoughtI'd be dealing with the Republican
operatives, but instead, no.My house is broken into. My dog was
(22:37):
drugged. A lot of stuffhappened during that. Stuff. People
that were clearly foreignagents were inserting themselves
into my life.
Who was it? Who was it? Andwho sent them?
Well, I think Russia was oneand China was the other. Okay, but
who sent them?
Why. Why would they beinterested in Ed Opperman?
Well, because I had the juice.I had the. The dirt on Sarah Palin
(22:58):
and Todd Palin. And see, whathappened was when the case was ended,
when there was a dispositionto Shelly Tripp's case, the prostitution
case there, and the sheriff'sdepartment or the police department,
I forget, in Anchorage,Alaska, sent me her laptop and sent
me her diaries and all hermaterial. It was that same exact
day that Sarah Palin went onTV and said she was not running for
(23:20):
president. Okay, so gettinginvolved in that when. When Shelly
Tripp was out there all on herown and Me just making that decision
that I was going to help herout when even Gina wasn't taking
the case. There was no lawyerinvolved. There was no nothing. You
know, it was just, you know, alawyer came involved later on when
what happened was. That's along story. But what happened then
(23:41):
was she sees on the news thatObama, these Secret Service agents
in Colombia wouldn't pay theirtab, and they got arrested down in
Colombia. And she says, I knowthat guy. That's the guy. He did
the same thing to me. He cameto Anchorage, Alaska. He was one
of Sarah Palin's SecretService agents, and they didn't pay
(24:01):
me. Jesus. All right, howwould she know? How would she know?
You know what I mean?
Ed, Ed, you're in the middleof all this.
I know, I know.
It's really interesting. Sotell us, you know, why is it that
it seems like the Republicansare always the ones in the middle
(24:22):
of this? You know, you go backto. You go back to, I don't know,
the Nixon era, You know, RogerStone playing games there. You fast
forward to Reagan hostages formissiles. It seems like the Republicans
are always the ones in themiddle of this crap. Why? Is it.
Is it because Democrats aren'tany fun anymore or what's the deal?
(24:45):
Well, I. I don't want to berude, okay, but it seems like the
Democratic Party is moreinterested. And I just did some oppo
research this last cycle, andit seems like they're more interested
in diverting funds to theirown use and to their friends and
their consultant buddies thanthey are in really winning. You know,
and there's the. It's a slowmoving ship. You can't. The orders
(25:10):
from the top come down so slowthat there's really. It's hopeless.
Is in my estimation also, too,when you go to them and say, hey,
dudes, look at the dirt I havehere on. On Trump or on you. Other
people you and I have talkedabout privately. Look at what we
got. All we need is a littlebit of money and we could get this
(25:30):
movie on a silver platter. Andit goes nowhere. Nobody's interested.
And whitey, is that becausethey're too pure?
I don't think they're pure. Idon't think they're pure. I think
it's. I don't know, man. Ijust. They're on the balls maybe.
I don't know.
I think. I think you're right.I think it's. They don't have a stomach
(25:52):
for it. They think they'reabove it, and they don't realize
that, that that's why they'relosing. They think they're losing
because they've got badcandidates or whatever. No, it's
because the Republicans areusing every tool in the shed to win,
and they use the rules to winsometimes, as Mo points out. So it's
just really interesting thatthe Republicans don't seem to be
(26:14):
morally hinged on using thisinformation to their advantage. But
the Democrats are, and youknow, we've been talking about it
for a long time, and theDemocrats all say, oh, yeah, well
that'd be great if we coulduse it. But then when we have something
and we want to pay for an ad,they won't. Nobody gets behind it.
You're absolutely right. We. Ihave talked to more donors, rich
(26:37):
and poor, that don't have thestomach for it. I just, I don't get
it. It. I, I don't get it.
I, I don't either. And I doknow that there's a lot of these
Democrat type influencers andpodcasters. I, I know there was some
money floating aroundsupporting these guys and I know
who was behind it. Exactly whowas behind it. I have his phone number,
but for some reason, I don'tknow, I guess I'm too left. They
(27:01):
don't want to touch me. Theydon't want to do the dirty tricks
route. They just don't want todo it. Kind of funny is a friend
of mine, someone very close tome, works at one of these local campaign
offices for the Democrats thatis accused of rigging voting machines
and all this kind of stufflike that. And I got to tell you,
the, the idea that they wouldbe capable of rigging vote in that
office, that anybody in thatoffice would be capable.
(27:25):
Well, I think that appliesprobably up to the DSC level too.
You know, they're just,they're, they're, they think nefarious
is, you know, putting aquarter in and getting a, a bottle
of pop that's supposed to costa dollar. So.
Well, they're literallysitting around trying to work Taylor
Swift lyrics into their pressreleases. Okay? That's what they're
saying, rather than doctoringthe voting machines. But on the other
(27:48):
side, man, they got, you know,I interviewed Patrick Bergey, man,
you know, who was examine theHunter Biden laptop, man, you know,
at Rudy Giuliani's apartment. Okay.
Really?
Oh, you want to hear a funnystory about that, Patrick? Okay,
listen, I got the rundown onthe laptop, man. I got, I got a,
I interviewed everybody on thelaptop. I got the whole chain of
(28:09):
custody on the laptop. HunterBiden's attorney in his lawsuit is
using my theory of the chainof custody on the laptop. Not that
everybody's squeaky clean onthe, on the laptop stuff, but when
the laptop or one of thelaptops are a backup of all the laptops,
it's several laptops. Was atRudy Giuliani's house. And when Rudy
(28:30):
Giuliani got raided by the FBIand the Department of Justice and
they seized all of hiselectronics in his phones and his
computer, they took everythingbut the Hunter Biden laptop. They
left that one behind.
You got to be kidding me. Why?
I wish I was, man. I wish Iwas. I wish I was. And there's other
things I could tell you, man,I don't want to say on the air. Not
(28:51):
that they don't deserve it,but just, you know, it's told to
me in confidence, you know,know that's a, it's a dirty game.
It really is. And I, you know,the thing that's. That shocks me
is how political the FBI andDOJ is. I mean, even under, well,
not necessarily under Biden,but, you know, maybe under Eric Holder.
You know, they went out on thelimb a couple times that on some
(29:13):
things that probablyshouldn't, they shouldn't have. And
clearly under Trump, he seesit as his own personal law firm.
But over, over to you, Mo. Onemore. Sorry about that.
Yeah, boy. Ed, listen, I, it'sreally been interesting. I appreciate
you taking time to do this,and I know our listeners are really
(29:33):
going to enjoy hearing allthis, but can you give us, give us
one more on the way out thatyou think folks out here in western
North Carolina would like toknow about?
Well, one thing I'll say aboutthis is during like Stormy Daniels,
okay, the FBI was very heavyhanded. An SDN one was very, very
hands. Heavy handed.Interviewing witnesses. I don't know
(29:54):
if you've ever been up againstfederal investigators, man, but they'll
go after your mother, youknow, they'll say, we got dirt on
your mother. We're gonnaarrest your mother, you know, if
you don't confess andcooperate with us, you know. And
they said they were very, veryheavy handed. But you want to know
what, man? They never asked asingle question about Trump and Epstein.
They never asked a singlequestion about Trump and Katie Johnson.
And some of the peopleinvolved in that were very knowledgeable
(30:14):
about what was going on. Theynever came to me. No one has come
to me and says, hey, Ed, whatdo you know about this? Okay. Only
more recently, just I postedon Reddit that that was my case.
I started getting someReuters. But otherwise, man, like,
I'll be interviewed by BBC.And right before the interview starts,
I'll say, hey, hey, don'tmention anything about Trump and
Epstein. You know, that's howmuch power and influence this guy
(30:36):
David Pecker and Ami and thesecharacters had over the media and.
And Murdoch, too. The mediamoguls, they control it, man.
What do you think is going tohappen with the whole Murdoch lawsuit?
I mean, these guys used to bebig buddies. Is this going to be
another one of thosesettlements or what's going to happen
with it?
I cannot imagine that Murdochallowed that to be published without
(30:57):
either having a photograph ofthat letter. We know the letter.
We know that binder exists. Weknow that even Brad Edwards said
it exists in the. Theinventory of the estate. So we know
the binder exists. We know nowthat. We know that Clinton wrote
a letter in there, too, and acouple other guys wrote letters in
there, too. So I can't believethat Murdoch went ahead without having
that letter, a picture of theletter, or 10 witnesses who stole
(31:18):
the letter. And I think thathis first reply will be a copy of
the letter. The first responsein the first motion.
I hope so.
Yeah. Well, let's get the.That's all I can say.
Otherwise, they got some kindof deal going on in the background,
and it's all a big act, youknow, because like I said, the Epstein
story is controlled by TheEpstein people. 100. I can tell you
(31:39):
guys, man. Okay. I see thesame people you do on Twitter, 500,000
followers. You know, all thesepeople talk, all the Epstein experts,
right? None of them have evercome to me and said, hey, Ed, what
do you know about this KatieJohnson case? And when I would contact
them and say, hey, you'retalking about my case. Do you have
any questions? No, they're toobusy tweeting to talk to Ed Opperman.
(32:01):
The only time. The only timeone of these huge experts has ever
come to me for any kind ofhelp was to dig up. Up dirt on plaintiffs,
was to dig up dirt onHoffenberg. Not. Not to advance the
defense and not to advance theprosecution, not to advance the plaintiffs,
but to hinder the plaintiffs,to hinder the prosecution. And these
(32:22):
are the people that if I wereto say their names out loud, I would
have a hundred thousand trollbots and tweets attacking me.
We'll say their names outloud. Come on.
Yeah, right. Well, maybe.
Maybe with the Colonel, I'llsay it. I Don't give a.
If the colonel wants to comewith a. With a tank. If he can get
one of his old tanks.
(32:44):
Yeah, well, it'd be anaircraft, but.
Anyway, even better, man.
Well, listen, Ed, how canfolks, you know, you've. You've told
some great stories. You soundfrustrated, like we do in that difficult
getting our message outsometimes. What. What should folks
do, in your estimation, to. Tomove some of these stories forward?
(33:09):
You know what?
I don't know, man. I. I don'tthink there's any hope to move you.
I don't think there's anyhope, you know, really. Even. Oh,
yeah. And even if you go back,even when Epstein was alive or if
he's still alive, you know, itwas. Just walked out of there, which
I think. But, you know, he. Atmit, he was funding mit, their media
research center at mit, theseguys and a Gawker magazine, these
(33:30):
guys have been funding thetabloids and controlling the tabloids
and controlling the news. Evenwhen I'm quoted in the tabloids,
they take my stuff in the. Youknow, I said it, but it's really
not what I would. But theentire context of what I said, you
know, so it's just socontrolled by the Epstein crew and
that bunch and that filthy,dirty crew, man, that I don't know
(33:53):
if there's any hope.
So you think he walked out ofthat prison in New York?
I think that, yeah. I wouldhave to say that. I can't believe
that they would allow. Becausethe guy did have intelligence connections.
I know a lot of people try topoint to massad, but you got to look
up the whole. Douglas Lee'sconnections into arms dealing and
Russian money laundering. Theguy had connections up the wands.
It was a very corrupt jail,and there's enough people involved
(34:19):
to have the Jews to get himout there. Why kill him, you know,
when you could have them onyour side? And plus that all that
kind of intelligence stuff,that's generational, you know, he
comes. This is generationalstuff going back to Robert Maxwell.
So you can't. How you going tohire people in the future if they're
going to let you hang out thedry and get killed in jail?
That's true. Well, they had aton of money. They seem to be spread,
(34:39):
spreading it all over the place.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm on thewrong team, I'll tell you that.
Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.All right, well, that's a wrap for
this episode of the MuckyouPodcast. A huge thanks to our guest
private detective Ed Oppermanfrom the Opperman Report for sharing
his incredible insights andstories. We're still reeling in some
(35:02):
of those revelations. Hey, Ed,if folks want to listen to your pod
or learn more about you, whereshould, where can they find you?
Well, the best way to hear theshow is spreaker.com. that's the
one. And it's the leastcensored because it's very hard to
find the show on Google andstuff like that to find shows. I
got 15 hours with StephenHoffenberg, who was Epstein's partner
(35:24):
and, and a mentor. You know,he's passed away now, too, as well.
Patreon, the Opperman Report.Patreon. Even if you don't want to
sign up for 10 cents a day, ifthat's too much to support that offering,
there's plenty of free stuffup there, too. All the Katie Johnson
docs up there for free. Allthis litigation and paperwork and
stuff, it's always up therefor free. Anything that comes up
(35:46):
right away, I'll put it uphere for free.
Okay. And that, and that'soperandreport patron.com or.
What is at patreon. Yeah,patreon.com. it's a, you know, a
paywall kind of service. Andotherwise, just Google a report and
you'll find it. It's all inthe place.
Okay. Well, I'm a big fan, Ed,and, and I enjoyed coming on your
show, talking about LaurenBobert in the old days. And so this
(36:09):
is a little bit of a reunionfor us. But thank you again for joining
us. I'm David Wheeleralongside my co host, Colonel Mo
Davis. You enjoyed the show.Hit that subscribe button. Leave
us a review and join us nexttime as we dig deeper and deeper
into the muck. Stay vigilant,folks. We'll see you soon.
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