David Jolly & Anthony Scaramucci are Cooking in the Political Kitchen on MUCK YOU!

David Jolly is back in the game, folks, and he's not just here to chat; he’s running for Ghovernor of Florida! That's right, he's now a Democrat, and he's got some serious thoughts about how the party can shake things up and tackle the affordability crisis plaguing the Sunshine State. He and co-hosts Colonel Moe Davis and David B. Wheeler dive deep into what it takes to win over voters in Florida, stressing the importance of focusing on real issues like property taxes and education instead of getting tangled in the Trump drama. And if you thought that was a wild ride, just wait until Anthony Scaramucci swings by to add his flair to the convo! Buckle up, because this episode is packed with laughs, insights, and more than a sprinkle of political sass!

Takeaways:

• David Jolly emphasizes that Democrats can actually win in Florida by focusing on key issues that resonate with voters, like affordability and education.
• Colonel Moe Davis and David B. Wheeler encourage listeners to believe in the possibility of change in Florida's political landscape, especially with Jolly's candidacy.
• Anthony Scaramucci reflects on his transformation from a Republican to someone critical of Trump's influence, highlighting the need for integrity in politics.
• Jolly stresses the importance of coalition-building among voters who seek change, indicating that current Republican politics are not reflective of the majority's desires.
• Scaramucci and Jolly discuss the current political climate, noting that many Republicans are experiencing buyer's remorse over their previous support for Trump.
• The podcast highlights the necessity of Democrats engaging with voters in communities they have neglected, emphasizing the need to amplify core Democratic values.

Links referenced in this episode:

• davidjolly.com
• scaramucci.net
• americanmuckrakers.com

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Muck You!
• SkyBridge Capital
• Goldman Sachs
• American Muckrakers

Episode Transcript

(00:07):
Hey, folks, this is DavidWheeler. Welcome back to Muck U.
My good friend co host MoDavis is going to introduce our special
guest today. Take it, Mo.
Well, thank you. And it's areal honor to have now a candidate.
He wasn't a candidate lasttime he was on. David Jolly is back
with us. And a couple ofthings have changed since you were

(00:30):
on before. One is you'rerunning for office, and number two,
you're officially a Democrat.So welcome to the team.
Yeah, well, thank you, Mo. Iappreciate that. Listen, I am a Democrat
running for governor of thestate of Florida. And I think the
most important message is thatDemocrats can win in Florida in 2026.

(00:50):
And I think they can win in alot of state governorship races.
And, and maybe for those whoare allied with the Democratic Party,
these are the races we shouldlook at. We are in the midst of a
national change environmentright now. Arguably, next year would
be the sixth year of apresident with numbers who are underwater.
People are still sufferingfrom an economic crisis. So we're
in a change environment. Andin Florida, we have a real affordability

(01:13):
crisis. And so this is agovernorship race where we are talking
about property insurance,property taxes, safe communities,
investing in public education.Right. Issues that matter at the
moment for voters in Florida.Maybe they're a little different
than voters in Michigan,California, Texas and otherwise.
But understand, if we focus onfixing the affordability crisis in

(01:34):
Florida by applying Democraticvalues, I see three values. An economy
that works for all people. Agovernment that actually efficiently
provides services to people.Our seniors, our veterans, those
in need, those who needquality, excellent public education.
So an economy for all people,a government that works, and finally,

(01:55):
a state that lifts everybodyup, regardless of where you were
born, the color of your skin,who you love, who you worship. Those
are the core values. If weprovide those values to attack the
affordability crisis inFlorida, the issues that matter to
Florida voters, we'll win thisnext November. And what we will do
is we will reset politicalpower not just in Florida, but arguably

(02:15):
nationally going into the 28presidential cycle. Notice, Mo, nothing
I just said, nothing I justsaid has anything to do with Donald
Trump. My opponent on theother side of the aisle is already
trying to make this race aboutDonald Trump. He just cannot talk
about the affordability crisisor schools or property insurance
or property taxes. He's got tomake it about Donald Trump. If he

(02:38):
does that. But we focus on thevoters, on the issues that matter
to them right now, we'll winthis thing.
Are you referring to Byron?
Dornan Iron Donald's right. Heactually came out shortly after I
announced the next day. Hesaid, look, I know Florida, Florida
wants more of the same. No, wedon't. No, we don't. This is a lived
experience for my wife and Iwith a 6 year old and 4 year old.

(02:59):
We are testing the questionnext November, do you want change
or do you want more of thesame? We believe people want change.
Well, I guess some of theothers on the Republican side are,
I guess Casey DeSantis isthinking about it, Matt Gaetz, that,
you know, quite a cast ofcharacters on the other, on the other
side, you know, any preferenceon, on who you'd prefer?

(03:21):
No. Look, the more themerrier. I mean, I think in many
ways Republican politics tothat today help our argument on behalf
of change right there. Thereare not enough, excuse me, Democratic
registered voters in Floridato elect a Democratic governor just
by themselves. We need acoalition of voters who want change.
And so if we are in a changeenvironment in the midst of a state

(03:44):
affordability crisis, do youwant Donald Trump's handpicked candidate
and Byron Donald, do you wanta third term of Ron DeSantis? Do
you want Matt Gaetz? That'smore of the same. That's more of
the same. We are offering acoalition, a coalition bigger than
a candidate that actually justwants change. Return us to an economy
for all people, solve theaffordability crisis, give dignity

(04:06):
to everybody across the stateand put an end to the culture wars
while we're at it, invest inpublic education, stop fighting communities
and just start fighting crime.We can do all that on our side of
the ticket. The other sidewill have to explain to voters what
they're fighting for.
I used to live in Florida andit's an interesting state with really

(04:26):
three distinct regions. Youknow, the Panhandle, the central
part of the state, and thendown in South Florida. So what's
your plan? How are you goingto hit those three parts and get
your message across?
Yeah, I love that question,Mo, because I would say this in Florida,
but also nationally, Democratshave to go into places we haven't
gone in a long time. You know,I've been doing town halls across

(04:49):
the state. Somebody stood upand said the last time a Democrat
was in this hall, it wasLawton Chiles. We have to be able
to go into. Now, look, we leadwith Democratic values, right? I
disagree with Democraticleaders who say we have to change
our values, our positions. No,we don't. We need to amplify them.
We need to amplify them incommunities where we haven't done
before. So that means sittingwith the faith community saying,

(05:11):
I'm a Democrat because Ibelieve in values that lift everybody
up. And I think that betteraligns with the faith teachings,
whatever faith. That is thebasics, right? We have to go to gun
owner communities and say, Irealize gun owners aren't the problem,
but our gun laws are. And ifwe strengthen gun violence prevention
in the state of Florida, we'regoing to save your kids just like
we're going to save ours. Wehave to go into the ag community

(05:31):
and say, your labor marketsare tight because of the governor's
policies. We want to create apathway in Florida for immigrants
to continue to support oureconomy and support our culture so
that we can celebrate theircontributions to the state. But we
also have to be Democrats whoare willing to go into the Cuban
American, Venezuelan Americancommunities in South Florida. And

(05:52):
what hasn't happened in a longtime, Mo, Democrats have to denounce
socialism and communism andsay capitalism provides the most
opportunity for people. But weare the party that's going to fight
for fair capitalism thatactually lifts everybody up. And
guess what? If it breaks downfor you, we're also the party that
recognizes you still needaccess to quality health care, to
income security and to aneducation for your kids. That's our

(06:17):
party. Those are our values as Democrats.
Listen, I think it's greatthat Democrats have a quality, credible
candidate running. So I, Ireally appreciate you stepping up
and doing it. So, you know,how can, how can folks help out?
Where can they get moreinformation? Where, where can they
contribute to help you win Florida?
Sure, Mo, you know, I'm acandidate if I've got a website.

(06:40):
Davidjoli.com davidjoli.combut listen, if you can support us
financially, please do. If youcan sign up to volunteer, maybe you're
in Florida or you'll be comingto Florida, please do that. Of course,
everything helps. Here's the,here's what I'm asking people to
truly do. Believe, believe,believe that this is a cycle where
we can create change. I had toask that question to myself and my

(07:02):
wife did as well before we gotinto this race. We believe In Florida
in 26, a coalition led by aDemocratic nominee for governor,
and win the race. And when wedo, we will bring change not just
to the state, but to nationalpolitics. Start by believing. And,
and I bet if you do some soulsearching, you already do. Most people

(07:22):
who are following your podcastwho are engaged in politics, paying
attention every day, they'redoing it because they know change
is possible. So start bybelieving, believing that we can
change the direction of thestate and the country. And then if
you have an opportunity to domore, to chip in some money, great.
Please do.
Davidjoli.com I've got to askthis question. If Byron Donalds is

(07:45):
running for governor, is. Ismy old friend Madison Cawthorn going
to run for that seat?
Oh, you know, I don't know. Idon't. Look, I, I've been out of
Republican politics longenough. They don't invite me into
the family conversations.
Yeah. And I'm for you, David.
Some of the Democratic onesalways thought.
It was fair because Floridagave us Mark Meadows. So we've given

(08:06):
you guys Madison Cawthorns. Ithink the score is even.
Yeah, I'd be surprised if hedidn't jump in there. But you know,
the interesting. There'sparallels between, between our governor's
race and I don't want to justhighlight the color of skin, but,
you know, we had a reallyterrific guy in Josh Stein who won

(08:26):
against Mark Robinson. And Ithink Mark Robinson is very similar
to Byron Donaldson down therein south southwest Florida in that
he has no experience, noagenda, and is really just in this
probably for the money and thefame and has no vocation in politics

(08:49):
or public service. So let'shope, let's hope your race goes the
same way as that race did uphere in North Carolina.
Look, I, I would say too manyRepublican leaders today, Stoke Division,
engage in kind of gutterpolitics, if you will. Right. They.
I'm not even sure ByronDonalds believes half of what he

(09:10):
said about me since I got inthe race in a few days. It's just
reflexive. And I think toomany Republican politicians invite
controversy. Right. There's,There's a lot of hypocrisy. People
say, oh, Jolly's changed.Yeah, I have. I definitely have changed.
I think a lot of voters havechanged, and that's part of the strength
of our candidacy. You know whoelse has also changed? Republicans.
I mean, the party I used tobelong to was for less government,

(09:32):
for fiscal discipline andpersonal liberty. Now they're exploding
the debt and deficits withthis major tax bill that I'm sure
Representative Donalds willsupport, therefore, for putting politicians
in your classrooms, in yourdoctor's offices and in your bedrooms.
And so I think Republicanleaders today, including Byron Donalds,
probably Casey Desantis, maybeMatt Gaetz, will see they've got

(09:53):
to justify how they've changedas well, because their positions
are unrecognizable totraditional Republican values, but
also to the values that mostvoters want, regardless of their
political affiliation. This isa campaign where if our coalition
that I have an opportunity tolead fights for an economy for all
people, attacks theaffordability crisis, says government

(10:14):
should work for you, but mostimportantly, you're welcome in the
state of Florida. You know,Republican leaders today, including
some of the language of ByronDonalds and others, they only want
certain Florida families to belifted up. I want all of Florida's
families to be lifted up. Ifthat's our contrast going into next
November, let's have thatcontrast. I love that convers because

(10:34):
we're going to win this race.
That's great, David. And thishappy warrior attitude of yours,
or your personality, your,your view of life, I think goes a
long way. I can feel howexcited you are about this race.
How's it going so far?
Good, except I've lost myvoice in the first week. Look, this

(10:55):
is a, this is a changeenvironment, right? If you look at
some of the reasons why VicePresident Harris lost, there certainly
were many, but one is too manyDemocrats stayed home. That's not
happening right now. Democratsare turning out. We're seeing it
in special elections, we'reseeing it in town halls. There's
an enthusiasm. But now we'realso seeing the buyer's remorse from
many Republicans, includingsome of our immigrant communities

(11:18):
who supported Donald Trump,who said, wait a minute, I didn't
sign up for the cruelty of theimmigration policy. I didn't sign
up for the broken promises. Ididn't think you were talking about
my family. But now we'reseeing through Governor DeSantis
and others, this attack on theimmigrant community, and they attack
a community and then golooking for crime. But I also think
we're seeing independents say,look, it's just time for a change.

(11:40):
And that's the coalition. Thisis a coalition election. We are going
to win this race because thereare more voters in Florida that want
change than want more of thesame. Let's have that conversation
because watch out, watch out.We're going to win it when that happens.
Yeah. I think the immigrantcommunity in Florida has got to be
woken up. And it sounds likeTrump's Latinas for Trump. State

(12:08):
senator down there is voicingher for a Republican, is voicing
her dismay with how they aretreating immigrants.
So, David, let me share something.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, let me, let me sharesomething with you, because one thing
I want to do in this campaignis, is have a national conversation

(12:28):
where I think Republicans andConservative media have gotten away
for too long with conflatingimmigration and crime. I want to
extract decouple crime andimmigration. We can be the Democratic
Party that is tough on crime,but lift up communities. I think
too many Republican leadershave started fighting communities
and then they go looking forcrime. We know statistically there's

(12:49):
a higher propensity of violentand crimes in native born communities
than there are in ourimmigrant communities. So let's start
fighting crime. We can be theparty that says if you were born
here, if you came here fromanother country or another state,
or if you're a Republicanpolitician stealing money from the
Medicaid program, we're goingto enforce the law, we're going to
investigate it, we're going toprosecute it. We can be tough on

(13:09):
crime, but lift upcommunities. I don't think that's
what we're seeing fromRepublican leaders right now. Yes,
that matters in Florida, but Ithink that matters as a national
conversation as well forDemocrats to start having.
You got it. All right, folks,go to davidjolly.com please. As my,
one of my employers used tosay, give till it hurts, please.

(13:31):
I can say that David's notgoing to, but please do give what
you [e-mail] it'simportant that he gets some early
money to get things rolling.He can show some, show some strength.
Early money is very importantto candidates. So again, I encourage

(13:52):
you to donate and send, sendDavid a positive note as well when
you make that donation. Andthis has been a special from mucu.
Our friend, good friend, DavidJolly in Florida is running for governor.
And we appreciate you comingon David.
Hey, thank you, David.
Thank you, Mo.
Appreciate it.
Absolutely.

(14:15):
Up next on MUCK YOU is AnthonyScaramucci, live from New York.
Welcome to the Muck youpodcast produced by American Muckrakers.
Let's roll up our sleeves anddive into the mess to uncover the
truth. I'm your co host DavidWheeler and here to stir the pot,
bring the energy and keepthings real. Let me hand it off to

(14:35):
my co host, the one and onlyColonel Mo Davis. Take it away.
Yeah. Thanks, David. Andthanks to all of you for joining
in again on another episode ofMUCK you. I'm coming to you today
from down the eastern part ofthe state, Southern Pines, right
outside of Pinehurst where itis extraordinarily hot and humid.
So makes me miss being up inthe mountains. But another great

(14:57):
guest today. Join us and areal honor to have Anthony Scaramucci
with us who is a graduate ofTufts University and Harvard Law
School, had a very successfulcareer at Goldman Sachs, started
SkyBridge Capital, was servingas a senior vice president at the

(15:17):
XM bank when he became amember of the. The Trump administration.
So he's a prolific author.Anthony, I think you have, what,
seven books out and anotherone on the way.
Seven books. Yeah, I likewriting. I like reading and writing,
Colonel.
Yeah, well, you're also.You're also a very. We appreciate
you taking time to do ourpodcast, because I think you've got

(15:40):
three going yourself. You havewhat open book that you do yourself.
You got. The rest is politics,us with, you know, one of my favorite
journalists, Caddy K and LostBoys with Scott Galloway. And I'll
be honest, I hadn't heard ofScott until a few months ago, but,
boy, I'm really impressed withhim. So you've got quite the array
of podcasts.

(16:00):
Yeah, he said, listen, he's aterrific guy. Caddy, of course, I
agree with you. She's not onlyone of my favorite journalists, he's
one of my favorite people. Imean, not to dominate the conversation,
but just quickly. I did notknow Caddy when we started that podcast,
and so we were put togethersort of on a blind date for the podcast,

(16:20):
and it's been 15 months ofdoing it, and it's been a lot of
fun.
We. You lucked out. I mean,I've seen Caddy, and she's pretty.
Pretty. I'm stuck with DavidHoyler. So I'm. Yeah, you got the
veteran.
I resemble. I resemble that remark.
That's why you guys have anaudio podcast.

(16:41):
Exactly. Y. Yeah, we switchedoff your video, man.
Right.
And the reason why I have anaudio and video podcast has nothing
to do with me. I'll just leave.
I gotcha. Hey, listen, you.You kind of had an interesting transformation.
You. You were a supporter ofBarack Obama, started out as a supporter
of Hillary Clinton, and then Ithink, you know, really sprung into

(17:02):
the spotlight with. WithDonald Trump. How did you make that.
That transformation?
So, you know, sometimes whathappens is when people are trying
to form a narrative about you,they. They go into your Wikipedia
page and they dent your page,and they put some truth information
out there and some mistruths,and they try to tie it back to stories

(17:22):
and. And so forth. But thetruth of the matter is, I gave Hillary
Clinton a $2,000 check whenshe ran for the Senate in the state
of New York, and this isprobably in the year 2000 in that
November 2000 election whereshe replaced Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
So everyone Says I'm a HillaryClinton supporter. Barack Obama was

(17:45):
a different story. You know, Iwas heavily involved in local politics.
I had worked for MayorGiuliani. I had worked for Governor
Pataki. I had a goodrelationship with Andrew Cuomo. Still
do, trying to support him formayor. But, but I, I was never really
in the. On the presidentialside. Barack Obama was a classmate

(18:07):
of mine from law school, andlet me, let me be precise, he was
exactly two years behind me inlaw school, but we knew each other.
He was running for president,asked me for a donation, and I remember
thinking to myself, well, I'mnever going to meet a president.
I must just give this guy somemoney. So I gave him money. Turned
out I went to more BarackObama Christmas parties than Donald

(18:28):
Trump. But, But I've been alifelong Republican, so those two
donations, you know, peopletry to characterize me as a flip
flopper and all this otherstuff, and I get all that. But I
had. You could find me on MittRomney's donor list, George W. Bush,
Jeb Bush, etc. LifelongRepublican. When Jeb came out of

(18:48):
the race, Mr. Trump, PresidentTrump, but it was Mr. Trump back
then, asked me to join hiscampaign. I agreed to do so. We surprisingly,
and I always say surprisinglyto everyone, including Donald Trump,
we won the election. He thennamed me to the presidential executive
team, the transition team. Ihelped to build a cabinet, didn't

(19:11):
go into the government. Sixmonths into the government, a lot
of crazy things happening. Hecalled me and he asked me to come
down to Washington, see him,and he offered me a job. He was trying
to get rid of Priebus andBannon, and he offered me a job and
I took it. And that wasanother big mistake for me, frankly.
But anyway, I did take thejob. I got my ego involved. I got

(19:35):
my, you know, I tell my kids,get your ego and your pride out of
your decision making, becauseif you can do that, you'll make better
decisions. If you can't dothat, you could end up making a disastrous
or catastrophic decision. ButI did it. I went to go work for him.
My wife hates Trump almost asmuch as Melania hates him. And so
that's, That's a very high barof hatred. Okay. You know, because

(19:58):
when you get hate from theEastern Europeans, it's incredible
amount of hatred. But anyway,I went to go work for him. We were
fighting in the White House.We disagreed on a couple of issues.
Some of this was procedural,frankly, Some of it was constitutional.
Somebody paid me a complimentthe other day. I guess it Was a compliment
because, you know, I, I wentthrough all your tapes while you

(20:19):
were the White House. Youdidn't lie for the President? I said,
no, I did not lie for thePresident. Was I asked to? Yes, I
was. But I didn't. And aresult of which, 11 days after I
was hired, I got fired. Youknow, I got tossed around. Guys,
you know, you want to talkabout getting mucked? I was thrown
into Pennsylvania Avenue, litup by all the late night comedians

(20:41):
torched on Saturday NightLive. Every cable news pundit had
an opinion of me, which wasnegative. 40 newspapers internationally
put me on the front page andwith a. As you know. And you know
how they do this, they try tofind that one picture of you where
you look like a completeimbecile. And then that's the one
that they drive, becausethat's the real head turner, you

(21:05):
know, that's the real clickbaiter, if you will. And you know,
it was a difficult time,frankly, after I got fired, but I,
I stayed loyal to PresidentTrump. People don't remember that.
My attitude was I wasn't goingto be a crybaby complainer. I got
fired. I took it like a man.Two years later, some of the antics
were reprehensible. I think Isaid on the Bill Maher Show, I wish

(21:29):
he wouldn't say that. Thewomen of the squad, these four women
in the House ofRepresentatives, should go back to
the countries they originallycame from, which is literally the
quote he put up on Twitter.And he had started attacking me for
saying that, and it was reallythat simple. And you know, David,

(21:50):
before we started thispodcast, you said this is right up
your alley because you're aLong Island New Yorker. Well, it
is right up my alley, but oneof the other things about me is I
am from New York and I thinkby the end of this podcast, you guys
will realize I'm not Ted Cruz.I'm not gonna kiss Trump's ass after
he starts attacking my wife.And so he started attacking my wife,

(22:12):
which is what he does. Andthen the real fight started. He lost
in 2020 due to the Democratsfailure. In 2024, he won again. But
he doesn't. He's not my kindof a guy. He's a bro code breaker.
He's incredibly dishonest.It's not the lying. Every politician

(22:32):
lies, but what I told is it'sdeep layers of dishonesty which are
blended in with amorality.It's like a Carvel swirl of disloyalty
and amorality and dishonesty.
Yeah, I'm curious. Folks wholisten to the podcast know that when
I joined the Air Force back inthe 80s, my first courtroom experience,

(22:57):
my opponent was a youngcaptain from South Carolina named
Lindsey Graham. And so I'veknown Lindsay 40 plus years and worked
with him and John McCain whenI was the chief prosecutor for the
terrorism trials down atGuantanamo. And you know, they were
the two pushing back againstthe Bush administration for their
abusive executive authority.And you know, he clearly knows better,

(23:19):
but he's made the calculationthat it's in his benefit to, to go
along. How do you explain somany people that, you know, points
in their careers, showedintegrity that have just are in the
tank now for, for the Trump administration.
Some of it's fear, some ofit's fear, retribution and fear.

(23:41):
I think in Lindsay's clickcase, I know him reasonably well.
I, I've been on his donorlist. He's a lonely guy, let's just
call him lonely for the sakeof this conversation. And he's a
guy that doesn't have a lotgoing on other than the power base
that he's created. And I thinkhe realized that without Trump's

(24:03):
help, he wasn't going to stayin that power base. The party shifted.
It moved away from the oldJohn McCain, Mitt Romney, the, you
know, George W. Bush sort ofparty. And so Graham made the decision
that he was gonna kowtow toTrump. You know, I think John McCain
would probably be spinning inhis grave, frankly, if he knew what
Lindsay was doing right now.

(24:25):
Yeah, I think it almost seemedlike when McCain died that, you know,
Lindsay lost his conscience.And you know, some folks, I think
they're just, you know,ignorant and got sucked into this
whole MAGA thing, but they'repeople like him that clearly know
better and have made thedeliberate choice. Hey, let me ask
you, you're, you're on theCouncil for Foreign, Council on Foreign

(24:47):
Relations. I'm, I'm involvedwith a group called the U. S Global
Leadership Coalition which Ithink are, you know, kind of like
minded organization. Theybelieve in diplomacy and foreign
policy and engagement and thatkind of thing. What's your take on,
you know, the, the current.Because, you know, you said the Republican
Party was big on, you know,we're loyal to our allies, we were

(25:10):
engaged around the globe, youknow, free trade. What's caused this
shift and what's your take on it?
Well, you said something aboutconscience and having a conscience.
You know, some people can fakehaving one but don't really have
one. Right. So I think that'sLindsey Graham. I think he put up
a facade of having aconscience. You know, there's no

(25:33):
way you could have a guy who'sgot this level of indictments, this
level of criminal convictions,this level of malevolence, this level
of stupidity, abject stupidityon economic policy, abject stupidity
on diplomacy in terms of howto handle our allies or even our

(25:53):
adversaries. And a guy thatis, you know, Putin obviously has
something on him. I don't knowwhat it is, but he obviously has
something on him because whywould you be kowtowing to Vladimir
Putin, especially at this timein our international history? So,
so to me, I would say to youthat Trump decapitated the former

(26:18):
Republican Party. That partydoes not exist anymore. You know,
Colonel, the Rhinos are theMAGA people that call themselves
Republicans. They're theRepublicans in name only, not me.
A RINO is Donald Trump. Theparty really should be renamed the
MAGA Party. They decapitatedthe Republican Party and they installed

(26:42):
themselves from the top downinto that party. And so now that
old party is sort of in exile,that party that you're talking about.
So, so this ideology is apopulist ideology. It's not conservatism
if it fits Trump's needs toput in some conservative judges,

(27:03):
or if it's Trump's needs tosignal pro business and then be ridiculously
tariffing everybody, which isa great contradiction. Whatever fits
his needs, he will do. Youknow, it's, it's a politics and ideology
of the personality with verylittle to do with predictable policy.

(27:25):
Yeah, well, I'm, I'm, I'mcurious as well. You know, you're,
like, you mentioned, you wereacquainted with Obama from Harvard
as a Harvard grad. What'syour, what's your take on this assault
on Harvard in particular, butuniversities in general?
So, you know, I'm, I, I don'tlike what the President is doing.

(27:49):
I think it's a big mistake topull research grants and defense
grants, and every person thatI know is a byproduct, a beneficiary
of US Government fundedresearch. I'll just talk about myself
for a second. You know, my momis unwell, but she has survived leukemia,

(28:15):
a condition called cml,chronic myeloid leukemia, for the
last nine years, primarilybecause an NIH grant was given to
the University of Pennsylvaniaand they discovered in 2002, 2003,
a drug that they call Gleevac,which suppresses and puts a leukemia
into remission. And so she'slived longer than the life expectancy

(28:39):
that she was supposed to onthat drug, thank God. But if we,
if we're going to cut the NIHgrants, that future drug that some
family will need, guys, is notgoing to be available. So I wholeheartedly
disagree with what PresidentTrump is doing. However, I went to
Harvard and I went to TuftsUniversity, and these schools have

(29:03):
ideologically radicalized,they have strained out, removed,
canceled. You can use the wordcanceled, Cleared out any conservative
voices, any even middle of theroad moderate voices. There is an
orientation program at Tuftswhere if you're a white male, they
want you to have six hours ofeducation, learning about your privilege

(29:28):
and learning about the factthat you have to be sensitive and
potentially kowtow to othergroups because those groups were
disadvantaged over the lastseveral hundred years and your group
wasn't. I don't know. I don'tagree with that stuff. I'm sorry,
I can't get my arms aroundthat stuff. I cannot get my arms

(29:48):
around Jewish men and women,students at Harvard being physically
threatened with violence,physically threatened with violence.
Some from their colleagues andtheir adjoining students, others
from professional protestersthat have descended on the campus.

(30:10):
It is private property, guys.They could be thrown off the canvas.
You know, they're not payingstudents on the private property,
but yet they, they're allowedto threaten Jewish men and women
who are students to the pointwhere they're locked in their dorm
rooms or locked in buildings,fearing their safety. I don't agree
with it. And I, and I, I don'tthink that we should allow that with

(30:37):
our, our taxpayer money. So Iwould, I would have left the grants
in place, left the NIH stuffin place. But I would have said to
these universities, you got toget to the middle. You got to try
to make at least theadministration of these universities
less partisan. I'm all forfree speech. If you want to protest
what Israel's doing in thewar, I understand that you have the

(30:59):
right to peaceful protest. Youdo not have the right in the country
to incite violence or harmother people as a result of your
political opinion. So, youknow, some people like my opinion
on this, some people don't.But I think canceling the funding
is a horrific mistake andit'll have consequences to our innovation,

(31:20):
our health care system, and awhole host of other things. Defense
specifically.
Well, let's switch gears alittle bit and talk about the Democrats.
One of the reasons Mo and Iwanted you to on the program was
I listened to yourconversation with John Heilman, and,
you know, you're a verythoughtful person. I could tell Obviously

(31:45):
intelligent and, and you'vegot a, a connection to who you are
and, and where you're from. Itjust seems to me that.
The.
Democrats would be morons ifthey didn't welcome a guy like you
into the party in some way,even just on the periphery. Has,

(32:06):
has that ever crossed yourmind to become a Democrat or, or
even run for office?
You know, I'm a very upfrontguy. Yes, it has crossed my mind,
but I can't become a Democratbecause I'm not welcome in the party.
And, and why am I not welcomein the party? I once worked for Donald
Trump, so there's a goodportion of the party that believes

(32:29):
that I should be canceledbecause I once worked for Donald
Trump. Okay. You have theright to, to say that to me. You
have the right to cancel me ifthat's what you want to do. I worked
with the Vice President's teamin preparation for her debate. I
also went to Philadelphia atthe invitation of the campaign to

(32:50):
help her at the debate andthen help in the spin room. Gavin
Newsom. I were in the spinroom together, you know, fortifying
the arguments that she made inthe debate. They were very happy.
Obviously, I think everybodyobjectively feels she won that debate.
There were several people Iwould call the centrists that wanted
me to go on the campaign planewith her. There were hard left people

(33:15):
that said, under nocircumstances. Under no circumstances.
And so they wouldn't let me goon the campaign plane with her. The
Democrats are the best thingthat has ever happened to Donald
Trump. If you said, how didDonald Trump become president, it's
because of the Democrats. It'sDemocratic losses as opposed to his

(33:37):
victories. They claim thatthey are the party for the democracy,
yet they told Joe Biden in2016, you cannot run in the primary
process against HillaryClinton. She's our anointed one.
They then told Bernie Sanders,we're chopping you off at the knees.

(33:57):
So much so that DebbieWasserman Schultz, the DNC Chair,
lost her job at the DemocraticNational Convention in July of 2016.
Let me fast forward to 2024.They canceled the New Hampshire primary.

(34:19):
Jimmy Carter didn't do that toTed Kennedy, but they did that to
the other Democrats thatwanted to run against Joe Biden,
some of which felt that JoeBiden was impaired and cognitively
impaired. They knocked BobbyKennedy out of the party, Tulsi Gabbard
out of the party, and theyblew Elon Musk out of the party.

(34:42):
So it's a party that isfighting with itself. It's a party
that's more focused on thepicky un of policies and does not
want to focus on theoverarching purpose. And guys, I
think they'll lose to Trump ifthey keep this up because like or
dislike him, he is the generalNapoleon of the culture war. He sees

(35:07):
the battlefield better thananybody in the culture war and he
knows how to trigger them, heknows how to send them on wild goose
chases, et cetera. If theywould invite somebody like me into
their party, I think I couldreally help them because I understand
the game plan of these otherpeople and I also understand the

(35:28):
narrative. And by the way, Ithink it's a more popular narrative,
the counter narrative to theirapproach, which I think would go
on are way more support andway more votes. So, and just remember
this, I want to close on this.They, they not only botched all of
that, they lied to theAmerican people, tried to keep Joe
Biden in place. He wassunsetting when they, when they couldn't

(35:52):
keep him in place. Rather thanhaving a mini primary which would
have been quote unquote prodemocracy, they anointed the vice
president. Nice person, butthey only gave her 107 days to make
the case against the mostfamous person on the planet. So listen,
it's a frustrating thing. I'msorry it was so long winded, but

(36:14):
I wanted to be comprehensivewith that one.
No, no, no, listen, you've gottwo friends here that, well, new
friends that couldn't agreewith you more. Man, we are sick and
tired of the party. We've beenostracized by our own party. You
know, I restarted the IowaYoung Democrats when I was 17 years
old. I've been around. I was,I helped Jimmy Carter's campaign

(36:35):
in Iowa, folks. And you get nocredit for any of that hard work
earlier in your life in thisparty of today, no question. Who,
who would you. And listen,you're. I'm a naming name guys naming
names kind of guy. Who wouldyou fault if, if you want to name
names? I don't want to put you on.
Spot but you know, on the who.

(36:57):
Is the far left that's drivingthis party into the ditch.
I mean, unfortunately, my, myold friend Barack Obama did a tremendous
amount of damage to that partyand he did a tremendous amount of
damage to the politicalzeitgeist and the culture war. And
said differently, Van Jones,who was on the Obama staff in the

(37:18):
White House and is now a coloranimal, color commentator, political
analyst at cnn. When Trump wonthe first time, Vann said this is
a White lash. This is abacklash of white ism in America.
And Obama could have been atransformative, post partisan, post

(37:42):
tribal president, but he dugin and he dug in and so he created
a lot of anger in the societyand a result of which we started
a war with each other. Westarted a great culture war. So.
So this emphasis under theObama administration on quotas and

(38:03):
the emphasis on pronoun usageand the emphasis on transgender bathrooms
and the de emphasis on bluecollar, lower and middle income families
and policies that couldpotentially help them, the de emphasis
of that created a vacuum thatDonald Trump exploited. So he's a

(38:25):
major culprit. The other majorculprit, frankly, is the Washington
duopoly. So these guys are inbed with each other. Washington is
not a swamp, guys. Washingtonis a gold plated hot tub, okay? And
they pass the cigars to eachother and they pass the Cristal champagne

(38:48):
to each other and they stay inoffice forever. They have figured
out through gerrymandering andthey have figured out through their
fundraising process how tokeep themselves in office forever.
The Congress has a 14%approval rating, which is slightly
above Kim El Jung, the NorthKorean dictator. Yet the incumbents

(39:11):
have a 95% incumbent reelection rate. So that'd be like
having a terrible restaurant,having a terrible chef has horrific
Yelp ratings, but the chefitself never gets fired. And so there's
a combo of a lot of differentthings systemically that are causing

(39:33):
this problem right now.
Yeah.
And. And there's also theconsultant class, which probably
part of.
Yep, yep.
Consultant and lobbying class,sir. The lobby.
And then we've got donors onour side that dump millions of dollars
into races that are absolutelyunwinnable, which, you know, the

(39:53):
consultant class loves. Again,on Democrat and the Republican side,
you know, we're talking aboutLindsey Graham. I posted earlier
on Substack this week a wholeanalysis on his opponents and the
amount of money that's beenraised against him. And he consistently
wins by 10 to 12 points. EvenJamie Harrison, and I think it was

(40:14):
22, ran and spent $110 millionagainst Lindsay's 75 and still won
by 10%, which the guy beforethat had raised I think 16,000 and
got the same percentage.
Yeah.
So I think it's a re educationand a refocus. You know, as far as

(40:35):
Obama, I doubt he believed ina lot of that that was foist upon
him. But again, it's that thestaffing and the, the professional
class within the DemocraticParty that has driven this, frankly
this country and now this orthe party, and then this country
into the, into the ditch, asfar as I'm concerned. And I know

(40:56):
a lot of these people, youknow, I grew up in politics with
them. I didn't choose theprofessional consultant route and
I don't have a home on theVineyard, but by God, I got three
healthy, good kids and, andhealthy lifestyle out here in North
Carolina. But I'm just sick todeath that people like you and Kinzinger.

(41:19):
Why don't, why don't theDemocrats find a race to run him
in as a Democrat, for God'ssakes? He could win in Illinois in
a race. We've had a coupleother folks on this show that have.
Joe Walsh was on again.Listen, he's a raging lunatic sometimes.
So am I. We're supposed to bethe party of oak, open and welcome,

(41:44):
but we don't welcome a guylike him that could win. And what
do you see as a, analternative for the party? You know,
we're trying to get folks torethink how we operate as a party.
If, if you were in control orif you had some say, which I believe

(42:04):
you should, what would you dodifferently as a party?
Well, I had, you know, I hadthis conversation with John Hilman,
as you guys referenced, butalso with Gavin Newsom. I did Gavin's
podcast about a month ago, andI said to Gavin that you have such
a historic opportunity. Youcould reset the entire political

(42:25):
system for a generation. Andall you have to do is open the tent.
That's all you have to do. Youhave to go and win back Elon Musk.
Response to that? No, we hatehim. He got Trump elected. He's now
canceled. Go and win backBobby Kennedy. No, we hate him. Okay,
Bobby Kennedy. Elon Muskreally helped Donald Trump. Whether

(42:47):
you like it or not, that'swhat they did. And you could open
the tent to Kissinger, Cheney,Christie, Romney. There's a whole
selection of exiledRepublicans, you know, traditional
Republicans. The Democratscould say, hey, we're sort of rebranding
here a little bit. Yes, wehave progressive ideas and some left

(43:07):
leaning ones, but we're a prodemocracy and we're pro principles
and pro system. We believe inthe American system, the constitutional
system of checks and balancesand a result of which come into our
tent, whatever the smalldifferences may be on policy, we're
focused on the purpose ofsaving America. And this has happened

(43:30):
before. It happened in the1850s when there was a party formerly
known as the.
The Wigs.
Yep, they, they, they, theygot toasted by The Republicans. It
was 1856 in Wisconsin. TheRepublican Party got formed, and

(43:54):
they did exactly what I'msaying. They went to the Whigs that
wanted abolition. They peeledthem off. They went to the Democrats
that wanted abolition andpeeled them off. And I'm telling
you right now, it was a hugevictory and probably saved the nation

(44:16):
because Abraham Lincoln becamepresident. And so, for me, it's doable.
Gavin said to me that it wouldbe almost impossible in the current
fever in the Democratic Party,it would almost be impossible to
get that done. I find thattragic. At a time where we need these
people. I find that tragic.

(44:39):
Yeah, I agree.
But as. As Carvel hassuggested, the far left and let them
have their own party. I mean,form their own party. I couldn't
agree more with that. I justsick to death that, you know, the
way to shoehorn them into theparty is just find a race to run
them in as a Democrat, getthem elected, and they can orient

(45:02):
themselves once they're inoffice, and, you know, we can win
back these seats. But theDemocrats seem to have a problem
with winning. They don't. Theywould rather, you know, lose and
be right than win and actually have.
An effect on people's lives 100%.

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Yeah. All right, Mo, back toyou, buddy.
Yeah. I'm going to hit you upfor some free advice. I'm running
for Congress in western NorthCarolina in a district that's an
R +5. You know, the biggestgroup of voters are unaffiliated
voters. You know, in NorthCarolina, we got hit hard by Hurricane
Elaine, so we've got a lot offolks struggling to get back on their

(45:43):
feet. So I'm, you know, kindof the motto for my campaign is kicking
ass for the working class,because they're the folks that have
gotten left behind and aregetting hurt by a lot of these policies.
Yeah. Any advice on how to.How to reach people that, you know,
in the past might have, youknow, been part of the MAGA movement,
but they're getting hurt bythese policies. How can I reach those

(46:04):
folks?
Well, I'm going to give yousome advice that somebody gave to
me about life. There is nosuch thing as quality time. There's
only quantity time. And it'sagainst the cliche. But just hear
me out for a second.
Sure.
The more time you spend on theroad, the more time you spend in

(46:26):
the district, the more timeyou spend burning shoe leather, knocking
on doors, going to civicevents, going to storefronts, the
more identification, thebetter and sharper the narrative
about who you are. What yourpolicies are going to be, how you're
going to represent peopleBowl. And I'm going to tell you who

(46:48):
is probably right now the bestin the business of this. It's aoc.
So Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.She's two districts away from where
I'm sitting. She beat thepants off of Joe Farley. He was the
incumbent, he took thedistrict for granted. She, she showed

(47:10):
on Twitter while she was doingthis the burn up of her shoe leather
on the various shoes as shewalked the district cajoling people
for votes, pushing her agenda.And she's one of the hardest working
people in politics. Now, Idon't agree with a lot of her philosophy,
I don't agree with a lot ofthings she wants to do and I don't

(47:33):
agree with the direction she'dlike to take the Democratic Party.
But I admire her and I admireher work ethic and I admire her skill
set. And if you're going to dothat, if you're going to run, okay,
you got to do that. There's nosuch thing as quality time. It's
just all quantity, block andtackle and build the schedule to

(47:55):
meet as many people aspossible in that district.
Right. Listen, Davidmentioned, we've had on David Jolly,
who's now running as aDemocrat in Florida for Governor
Joe Walsh. I guess last week,week before last, announced he's
officially registered as aDemocrat. We asked Adam Kinzinger,
he said, look, you know,you're clearly not welcome in the

(48:16):
Republican Party. Could yousee yourself being a Democrat? And
he said, you know, if theDemocrats opened the aperture and
would take in from the centerto the left, then he could see it.
So, you know, yeah, we've kindof got.
You asked great questions,guys. You asked me that question.
I would be a Democrat if Ifelt that they would accept me. Yeah,
you know, I haven't changedparties yet because I always had

(48:40):
that glimmer of hope thatthere might be some ability to, to,
you know, end this personalitycult. But we'll see.
Yeah, we kind of feel likewe've hit the trifecta with the three
of them. So you'd make it thesuper effective. We could bring you
over too.
There you go.
Well, listen, I think itreally does take. This is very myopic,

(49:01):
I think on the, on the. Andagain, I guess I'm using a Democratic
term using words like that,but I just think they've been very
short sighted, you know, thisfocus we had Paul Begalla and I thought
he was spot on when he Saidthe, the Democrats spent too much
time focusing on people thatput their pronouns at the end of
their emails rather thanpeople have their name stitched above
their pocket when they go towork in the morning.

(49:22):
Amen.
And we've got to get back to,you know, focusing on those people
and listening to them andtheir problems. Well, listen, you've
been a real breath of freshair and, and it's nice to see, you
know, someone that, you know,is, you know, kind of in the heart
of the, of the, the, of themovement that, you know, with, with

(49:45):
what seems like good senseand, and good values. So, man, you
know, good on you.
For, you know, you know whatthe, you know what the big problem
is for me, the pain for me isI have a lot of friends that are
still with Trump. They hatehis guts, but they like the power.
They like the access of theWhite House or they like living or
speaking or working in theWhite House. But they'll talk to
you privately. They'restressed out and they hate his guts.

(50:08):
I don't know anybody I haveyet to meet. I know we're probably
gonna have to wrap this in asecond, but I'll just say this here.
I don't know anybody, and Imean anybody that likes the guy.
Nobody, Anybody close to hisorbit, in his interaction space where
he has a one on one, ten onone. They find him to be angry, they

(50:31):
find him to be insecure, theyfind him to be self loathing. They
find him to be a credit hogthe way some people are ball hogs
in basketball. He's a credithog. He doesn't like anybody getting
any credit for anything otherthan himself. And he's just a miserable
sob and so, you know, but, youknow, he's, he's got the name recognition,

(50:55):
he's a pretty goodcommunicator, he's a good campaigner
and they ran very shittycandidates against him. And that's
where we are. That's why weare where we are.
So we, we're not reallyconspiracy theory guys. But doesn't
stop us from talking about ita little bit. What are your theories

(51:17):
on what Putin has on him orthe Butler assassination? You think
that was real?
Well, you know, listen, I, Idon't, I don't know what Putin. Let
me start with Putin. I don'tknow what Putin has on him. If the
assassination attempt wasn'treal and that man lost his life because

(51:41):
of a premeditated false flagversus Donald Trump to raise his
profile and to raise his, youknow, political stature, increase
the potential of him winning.I, I would believe it, by the way,

(52:01):
because I know how evil Trumpis, but I don't, it just doesn't
strike me when watching thetape of didn't, it didn't look like
it was contrived to me. Butthen again, I don't know. But you
know, on the Putin thing, Idon't think any of us know what Putin
has on him, but I will saythis. Putin has something because

(52:23):
when you have the window openand you hear clippity clop outside,
it's a, it's a horse, it's nota zebra. Don't overthink it. Of course
he has something becausethere's nobody that would be cowtowing
to Putin like this. Putin hasa dilapidated army. The US could
take this guy out veryquickly. We've decided not to. He

(52:45):
has a limited capability nowwith his, Just think about the size
of Russia compared to theUkraine. And three years later, Ukraine
is still fighting strong. Youknow, if they just got the help from
the west that they needed, Ithink they could finish the job.
And remember, Russia was theinvader. Trump has said to people

(53:05):
that Ukraine started the war.Trump went and got sanctions on the
Ukraine in addition to Russiaat the U.N. i mean, he's gotta, he's,
they have to have something.And you guys may know this, but I
want to remind you of it. Onthe 5th of November, 2024, the evening
of the election, statetelevision in Russia was running

(53:26):
naked pictures of first ladyMelania Trump. So if you, you know,
that's a, that's a big middlefinger to Donald Trump. That's like,
yep, we got something on you.We got something on you really bad
that you don't want anybody toknow about, and we'll use it against
you, just so you know.
Yeah, well, I, I, I havefollowed General Flynn and Roger

(53:50):
Stone and that whole cabal ofoutsiders and that whole Butler thing
just seemed like a RogerStone, Michael Flynn operation. But
I, I don' either, it's just conjecture.
I don't, I don't disagree. Butman, that's about as evil as it gets.
Yeah, somebody, you have a,you have a, a fireman that's been

(54:12):
20 years in service, about toretire. He's sitting behind the candidate
and he's killed and his familyloses their father because they had
to contrive a politicalassassination attempt. You know,
I hope, I hope it's not thecase, guys. I'll just say, tell you
that. Yeah, the worst karmathat you can come up with.

(54:32):
Yeah. So have you ever, haveyou ever thought about running yourself?
You know, you guys mayremember this, maybe you don't. I
mean, I almost got divorcedwhen I ran, when I was in the White
House. You know, Deirdre hatesit. She hates the way people are
treated in it. She doesn'twant the backflow onto the kids.

(54:53):
And so I always tease peopleand tell them, hey, I'm running for
reelection in my marriage. I'mnot, not going to be able to run
for anything. Because one ofthe things that happens, guys, when
you run for office, youautomatically have to tell lies.
As soon as you declare thatyou're running for office, your mouth
starts moving in a baddirection. You say, well, why is

(55:14):
that? You don't have to dothat. Well, you actually do have
to do that because there's allthese varying constituencies that
you're trying to win over. Soyou're shading your policy this way,
that way, et cetera.
Yeah, well, we, Mo and I bothrun on several occasions. You're,
you're right, my friend.Although I'm a much better liar than

(55:36):
Mo will ever be. So, so, allright, well, Anthony, what gets you
up in the morning? What keepsyou moving besides your business?
Your beautiful wife and family?
You know, listen, I, I, I, Ilike what I do, you know, I mean,
mentioned my podcast. I likeinterviewing people, I like interviewing
authors, I like analyzing thesituation. I have a good rapport

(56:01):
with Caddy. I've enjoyed thispodcast a great deal. I like talking
to people. I had theopportunity, I'm graced with the
opportunity to do publicspeaking. And so I could be on 10
or 15 public, publicly paidpublic speeches a year, which is
a lot of fun for me. It getsme in a little bit of a travel mode,
gets me to meet people. I'dlike to get in the gym, I like to

(56:25):
travel with my wife and my,my, obviously my kids. I took my
kids to Epic Universe inOrlando last weekend. I think they
had a fantastic time. And, youknow, but I'm, I'm here for it. Meaning
I'm not trying to overcomplicate my life. I don't need
to prove anything to anybody.If you come visit me here out on

(56:45):
Long Island, I'm in anondescript, it's an upper middle
class house, but it's not amansion because I don't want to put
my kids in a situation of overentitlement where it ruins their
lives. I think there's aparadox if you're not careful. There's
a paradox to wealth. You canEnd up very lonely. You get the big
mansion, 15 acres. You'rethere by yourself. You buy the yacht.

(57:10):
Okay, great. No one on thecruise ship to share the chicken
fingers with. You get theplane, that's great. But now you're
alone again, you know, andthere's a paradox to wealth. We have
to be careful with it. And sofor me, I enjoy what I'm doing. You
know, if Andrew were to winthe mayor's race and he asked me
to do something that was anappointed position to help him out,

(57:32):
I probably would considerdoing something like that or helping
him on the economicdevelopment board, which is a part
time job but is veryinfluential in, in the, in the city.
Those are things I haveinterest in.
And the city's gonna need you,man. So. And it looks like he's gonna
win, don't you think?
Yeah, I think so. I hope so.It's running against a real hard

(57:55):
left socialist. I don't thinkthat's, that'll push the city into
bigger economic despair.
All right, final words. Mo.
I can't. I think we've prettymuch covered the waterfront. And
listen, you've been verygracious with your time and really
appreciate you taking time todo this. I know you're, you're busy

(58:17):
and it's real privileged tohave you on today.
Good luck with the race. Youknow, guys, I really, really appreciate
it. Colonel.
Well, we appreciate you having on.
Appreciate.
All right, joining us. You gota David and muck you, Mo.
That's right. All right, holdon. We're going to save that for
the ending here. Hold on, I'llcue you, Anthony. That's all for
this episode of Muck you.Thanks for joining us. As we dug

(58:39):
through the dirt and got tothe core of what's really going on.
I'm David Wheeler, your cohost. Loves to shake things up. It's
been a blast sparring with mypartner, in truth, Colonel Mo Davis
and Anthony Scaramucci. Ifyou're loving what we're do, head
over to our websiteamericanbuckrakers.com for more episodes.
And if you don't like whatwe're doing, what do you, what do

(58:59):
you tell them? Anthony?
I, I want to hear it. I alwaystell people if you don't like what
I'm doing, send me somecomments. This way I can, I can,
I can filter in the comments.If they make sense, I may make a
change, you know.
That's right. Well, if you, inour case, if you don't like it, muck
you.
Well, muck you, David. Andmuck you Mo. And it's great to be

(59:20):
on with both of you.
Hey, thank you. Glad.Interesting to hear you mention Gleeveck.
My stepdad was on that if he'sextended his life by over a decade.
So that was a remarkable drug going.
On with my mom, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Other complications that areage related. Now they both are beneficiaries.
I'm a beneficiary of thesegovernmental grants.

(59:41):
Yep.
All right.
Well, God bless you. And Godbless her, too. Okay, take care.
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