How Democrats Are Mucking Back in Red States with CJ Warnke, House Majority PAC

Colonel Moe Davis is on a mission to bring some serious heat to the political scene as he gears up for a run in NC11, and he's not holding back! Joined by his co-host David Wheeler, they dive into the nitty-gritty of political strategies, targeting those pesky GOP budget cuts that threaten to hit everyday Americans right where it hurts—in their wallets. They chat with C.J. Warnke, the communications maestro for House Majority PAC, who spills the beans on how their team is working to flip congressional seats and get the truth out there. With a colorful mix of humor and hard-hitting facts, they explore the battle against misinformation and the importance of supporting candidates who are truly in touch with their constituents. It’s a wild ride full of laughs, insights, and a big ol’ dose of political reality—so buckle up and get ready to muck it up!

In a lively and engaging episode of the American Muckrakers podcast, Colonel Moe Davis and David Wheeler welcome C.J. Warnke, the communications director for House Majority PAC. The episode kicks off with the hosts' signature banter, effortlessly blending humor with critical political dialogue. As the conversation unfolds, C.J. sheds light on the inner workings of the House Majority PAC and its commitment to winning congressional races for Democratic candidates. The discussion quickly pivots to the pressing issues at hand, particularly the detrimental effects of the GOP's budget proposals on the American middle class.

C.J. passionately outlines how the proposed Medicaid cuts and rising tariffs will impact everyday families, painting a vivid picture of the real-world consequences of Republican policies. With wit and insight, the hosts explore the importance of connecting with constituents on a personal level, emphasizing the need for Democrats to articulate their message in a way that resonates with voters' everyday experiences. The episode is filled with anecdotes and strategic insights on how to effectively campaign in challenging districts, underscoring the necessity of grassroots efforts and community engagement.

As the episode draws to a close, the trio reflects on the broader implications of their conversation, reinforcing the idea that fighting for the working class is not just a political strategy—it's a moral imperative. With a mix of laughter and serious reflection, Davis, Wheeler, and Warnke inspire listeners to stay engaged in the political process and to keep pushing for accountability and progress. This episode encapsulates the spirit of the American Muckrakers: a commitment to truth, a passion for change, and a belief that every voice matters in the fight for justice.

Takeaways:

• Colonel Moe Davis emphasizes the importance of grassroots campaigning in districts that are traditionally red, encouraging local engagement and support.
• C.J. Warnke from House Majority PAC discusses the strategic efforts to counter Republican messaging, particularly on healthcare and economic issues.
• The podcast highlights the challenges of gerrymandering and its impact on congressional races, stressing the need for fair representation and competitive districts.
• The hosts argue that engaging with voters in a relatable way is crucial for Democratic candidates to effectively communicate their message and build trust.
• The discussion covers how rising costs of living affect everyday Americans, linking these issues to the policies supported by Republican lawmakers.
• There is an ongoing call to action for Democrats to unite and focus their resources on competitive races, avoiding wasteful spending on unwinnable campaigns.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• House Majority PAC
• House Majority Forward
• Gary Peters
• Amy Klobuchar
• Elon Musk
• Chuck Edwards
• Marjorie Taylor Greene
• Mike Flood
• David Valadao...

Episode Transcript

(00:06):
This is the AmericanMuckrakers podcast. Muck you. I'm
David Wheeler in Spruce Pine,North Carolina, here to gut the lies
and spill the filthy truth. Myco host, Mo Davis is running to be
the next Congress dude fromNC11 coming to us live today from
Asheville. Is there any otherAsheville in the world other than
Limited in North Carolina, Idon't think.
Not that I know of.

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All right, Moe, let's getmucking, man.
All right, welcome backeverybody, and hope you're having
a good day. It's kind of acloudy, rainy, cool day here in the
mountains of western NorthCarolina, but still there's not a
better place to be. And again,we're continuing our tradition of
having great guests on to keepyou informed on what's going on on
a range of topics. And Todaywe've got C.J. warnke, who is the

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communications director forthe House Majority PAC and House
Majority Forward. Before thathe worked of both Senators Gary Peters
and Amy Klobuchar, socertainly is eminently qualified
to talk a little bit aboutpolitics today. So, CJ thanks for
taking time to join us.
Thanks for having me on. Iappreciate you both taking the time

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today.
Oh, sure. Well, listen, whydon't you start out by just if you
would, for our listeners thatmay not be familiar with House Majority
PAC and House MajorityForward, just tell them a little
bit about the two organizations.
Yeah, absolutely. So HouseMajority PAC is the House Democratic
Leadership aligned super PACor primary function is to win as

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many congressional races aspossible. You know, this involves
a lot of paid advertising onour end and investment in candidates
across the country. You'veprobably seen if you live in a competitive
congressional district, our TVads, our mailers, our digital ads
really driving a contrastbetween a Democrat who is going to
deliver for you locally and aRepublican who is not going to deliver

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for you in any way, shape orform. And then House Majority Forward
is our 501c4 affiliate, is anissue advocacy organization. You
know, focuses a lot on tryingto, you know, urge folks to support
or oppose certain pieces oflegislation and puts out this kind
of messaging guidance is whatwe call it on a lot of what's happening

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in the world today, includingsome cost of living stuff that we've
done recently and we can diveinto that. But most recently on Monday,
we announced ads 26congressional districts across the
country talking about theHouse GOP budget bill specifically
know driving the message ofthese Medicaid cuts are pretty bad.

(02:35):
They're going to raise thecost of your groceries and Cut your
healthcare. And you know, whenyou couple that with the support
for tariffs up and down theboard, House Republicans and Trump
are kind of just running on apolicy of raising costs on American
families and urging folks tooppose this bill. Call their local
House members, call theirlocal senators and tell them to vote
this bill down because it isclearly not going to be a fruitful

(02:59):
piece of legislation forregular Americans. You know, it's
going to do really well forguys like Elon Musk's and the ultra
rich of this country, but it'snot going to do great for American
families. So that is kind ofjust like a quick macro look at our
two organizations real quick.
Right. Well, you mentionedthere are 26 House members that you
put out ads on, on, on Mondaythat you're targeting. And so when

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did you realize that ChuckEdwards is one of the 26 worst members
of Congress?
You know, Chuck Edwards too. Imean, obviously both of you know
this race really well and Iknow all of your work to get Madison
Cawthorn out of the seat a fewyears ago. And you know, Chuck Edwards
ran on, you know, I'm going tobe this guy who's going to focus
on the local stuff and the wayMadison Cawthorn didn't. And he's

(03:44):
kind of really broken thatpromise. There is, you know, just
alone on his support fortariffs. I know a lot of folks in
that area are trying to stillrebuild after the hurricane and thanks
to Trump's tariffs, you know,lumber prices are up, steel prices
are up. It's making it tougherto build, not just in North Carolina,
but across the country. Andthese are like direct prices that
are affecting families. Andthis is a policy that Chuck Edwards

(04:08):
wholeheartedly supports. Andit is like kitchen table issues.
Right? Very, very important.And then you see, you know, he's
creating a lot of drama now,similar to Madison Cawthorn. I've
read some great localreporting about staff turnover in
his office, and it doesn'tseem like he's really has a good
hold on staff retention in away that can really help deliver

(04:28):
for the constituents out therein North Carolina.
11.
Yeah, well, you know, he wasin the state legislature for, for
quite a while before he wentto Congress. And while he was in
the state legislature, he wasone of the leading advocates against
Medicaid expansion. And so, sobad. Near the reddest county out
here in western North Carolinais Graham County. I think they voted

(04:48):
84, 85% for Trump in November.But the county commission, which
are not exactly bleeding heartliberals Got in the car and drove
to Raleigh to the statecapitol and told Chuck and his colleagues,
look, you're, you're, you'rehurting our folks out here. We need
this. And they finally passedit. But included in the bill, it
says if the federalreimbursement rate ever drops below
90%, then the Medicaidexpansion goes away. So this, this

(05:12):
big beautiful wealth transferbill that he signed off on, there
potentially 50 or 60,000people out here that will lose their,
their health care coverage.And it's hard, it's hard to paint
that in a positive light forordinary folks.
As you're saying, you know,Medicaid is not really a partisan
political issue. It isoftentimes a necessary benefit that

(05:35):
a lot of people pay into and alot of people have worked really
hard to have. And it's keepingfamilies afloat, it's keeping people
healthy. It is one of the mostimportant functionary roles of the
US Government right nowdirectly back to the American people.
And you know, Republicans wantto try to say they're, you know,
always making sure thatfamilies and like working people

(05:57):
get the best benefit out ofRepublican governance. But this is
a direct, like we're takingmoney out of your pocket, we're making
it tougher for you to accessaffordable health care and, but we're
going to give these guysanother tax break, you know, so they
can afford the fourth or fifthyacht this time around because three
is not enough. And you know,on top of that too, like a lot of
these health care cuts in thisbill are threatening to shut down

(06:18):
to Rural Hospital, which are,you know, far and few between as
is now and serve a lot offolks in a lot of. So it's really
just more than taking away thedirect benefits. It's making it harder
to get access to any type ofhealthcare, to even see a doctor
to begin with.
Right. Yeah, I know it is. Heputs out a periodic newsletter and
in it he, the last one he wasextolling the virtues of the big

(06:40):
beautiful bill, saying that itvirtually every income bracket gets
a tax cut, which is literallytrue. But the deceptive part is he
doesn't tell you if you're,you earn below 51,000 a year, that
your couple hundred dollar taxbreak is offset more than offset
by your loss of SNAP andMedicaid and all the other benefits
that are going to be takenaway from you. So it's a net loss.

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Yeah, we're folks at the top.You're in the top 1/10 of 1%. That's
people that make four and aquarter million a year and more.
Their benefit is going to beabout $390,000, which is the median
price of a house out inwestern North Carolina. So, you know,
the rich are getting a freehouse every year paid for on the
backs of those at the bottomof the ladder.
And, you know, they try, theytry to frame it as, as a common sense

(07:23):
bill, but this is, if you lookback to 2018, this is exactly what
they tried to do when theytried to attempt to repeal the Affordable
Care act, was they weresaying, no, you're going to be fine,
your preexisting conditionsare going to be protected. We're
just removing the bad stuff.
Right.
Which was obviously not truethen and not true now. They were
running ads with their moms in2018 saying, like, my son would never

(07:46):
rip away coverage for peoplewith pre existing conditions, even
though they absolutely did. SoI think, you know, luck for us, we're
seeing that most people arenot really buying that this bill
is going to help them. Whenyou compare it to Trump's tax bill
from 2017, 2018, it is all,this bill is already more unpopular
than the tax bill was at thesame point. So I think, you know,

(08:07):
Democrats have done a reallygood job about driving down approval
of this bill and reallydrawing a stark contrast. You know,
we have, I know a lot of folksdon't necessarily tune into congressional
hearings, but Democrats inWays and Means Committee, Democrats
in Energy and CommerceCommittee, who were engrossed in
this bill and therepercussions that it would have
on regular people werefighting tooth and nail throughout

(08:29):
the night to make sure that,you know, they were at least going
to hold Republicansaccountable for voting this, for
this, calling them out anddragging it on and making it as painful
as a vote as possible. So, youknow, obviously Republicans were
still able to pass it throughthe House. You see a lot of resistance
in the Senate. You know, whenyou have me agreeing with a guy like
Josh Hawley about how HouseRepublicans are going crazy kind

(08:51):
Medicaid, you know, you'rekind of in a bizarre world on GOP
policy.
Yeah, I know. I found myselfpeople that just historically I have
been 180 degrees, you know,like Laura Loomer. I was in agreement
with her on Trump's acceptingthe, the emoluments from Qatar, you
know, the, the big 747 palacein the sky and Elon Musk, you know,
bashing the bill for adding tothe, to the debt and the deficit.

(09:15):
It, it's funny who, you know,you find again, like like you're
saying when I'm agreeing withRand Paul, I have to stop and think
wa am I wrong on this? But youmentioned the Affordable Care act
and there are two things I'dmentioned on that. One is, remember
the Republicans were sayingthe Democrats rammed this through
and they didn't even bother toread the bill is interesting. Marjorie

(09:35):
Taylor Greene whining about,oh gee, I didn't read the bill and
I didn't know some of thestuff was in there that I don't like.
And it wasn't just her. It wasalso Mike Flood in Nebraska got caught
in a town hall. He had toadmit he didn't read a provision
by that was read out loud by aconstituent. So it's clearly, you
know, this is they're allafraid to say it, but none of them

(09:56):
have really read this legislation.
Right. Well, you know, wetalked about the roughly 5 the congressional
budget Office, which again isNonpartisan, says about 5.2 million
people lose their Medicaidcoverage. But you mentioned the Affordable
Care act and the tweaksthey're making to it will knock another
4.2 million people off oftheir Affordable Care act coverage.
So when you add those twotogether and combine it with the

(10:18):
27.1 million people thatalready are uninsured, that's going
to be 11% of the Americanpopulation that is without health
care. And I just don't knowhow you pitch that in a positive
light.
Yeah, I think that's why yousee a lot of Republicans not holding
town halls when they go homefor recess anymore. They all tried
it. You know, that's the onething I got to give some credit to

(10:38):
Chuck Edwards is at least he'sdoing a little bit here and there.
I don't think they'resuccessful in any way, shape or form.
And they're really showing himto be out of touch, which is helpful
for us. But most folks aren'teven meeting with their constituents
at this point anymore. Andthat's how you know when something's
unpopular. If you're hidingfrom the people who put you in office,
you know things are not right.Whereas you have now a ton of Democrats

(11:00):
across the country having tomeet with Republican constituents
in these districts across thecountry. You see Ro Khanna doing
it, you see Tim Walls doingit, just traveling across the country
showing up because Republicansaren't showing up. And I think that
really does resonate withpeople if you can sustain it over
a long period.
So Moe, I have a for you, it'syour co host, if not if, when you're

(11:23):
elected, are you going tosupport Hakeem Jeffries?
Yeah, I think he's, you know,it's tough being in the minority.
I mean, there's only so muchyou can do. I know folks that have
a lot of, you know, highexpectations, but if you don't have
the majority, your hands arelargely tied. So I think he's, he's
doing the best he can with thetools that he's got.
I think a lot of credit ofholding Democrats together on all

(11:46):
these votes goes to LeaderHakeem Jeffries. I think he has been
a powerful voice for thatcaucus and has held folks united
and focused on the mission ofRepublicans are raising your prices,
and we're going to fight forthe benefits that you deserve. And
I think that's really startingto resonate with people. And, you
know, this is going to be akey issue in so many competitive

(12:07):
congressional districts acrossthe country. And come next year,
I mean, you look at a place togo to the opposite end of the country.
California 22 has close to350,000 Medicaid recipients, and
that's currently representedby David Valadao. And he only squeaked
it out by a few points in2024. So that immediately becomes
one of the most hot issues ina race like that across, and that's

(12:31):
replicable in so many racesacross the country. And then you
also can bring in an economicargument, kitchen table issues around
tariffs, of how all yourprices are going up thanks to your
local Republicans supportingTrump's tariffs. It's a pretty deadly
combo that we see popping alot in research, because there are
things we can directly pointto, to be like, Republicans are actively

(12:51):
trying to ruin your life.
Well, and they don't. I don't.I'm not sure that they are actively
trying to ruin our lives. I, Ijust think they don't give a shit.
I mean, they, they could careone, one whip about most people,
and Trump has certainlyfomented a lot of that. But. So,
C.J. you know, one of thethings I really like leader soon
to be Speaker Jeffries, is hismeasured approach. I, I worked for

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Tom Vilsack, had a similarapproach to, to politics and governing.
I worked for Barack Obama inthe campaign as a lowly, advanced
guy. He did the same thing.You know, he's kind of. We had a
short conversation while hewas senator and still running, and
I said, hey, you know, how doyou, how do you keep the patience?
Somebody's, you know, whackingyou over the head with a two by four

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to come up with a measuredresponse. And he said, david, one
of the things I learned waslet your opponent dig their own.
And, and when they're bangingon me with stuff that doesn't make
sense, keep doing that. So I,and I think Hakeem Jeffries, leader
of Jeffries is, has a similarphilosophy. Am I, am I far off?
No. And I think Republicanshave kind of are already started

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digging a pretty deep hole ontheirselves on legislation, and now
this is the time for us to gooff on offense on that. You know,
I'm a frequent watcher ofHakeem Jeffrey, of leader Hakeem's
press conference. And, youknow, he was going off yesterday
on the tax provisions of thisscam and how it's ripping away health
care for millions of everydayAmericans. It's just so completely

(14:21):
out of touch with normalpeople because Republicans promised
on the campaign trail, I'msure you both remember last year
that on day one, they wouldlower costs. And now they're, they're
making up all sorts of excusesof saying, well, we can't lower grocery
prices. You know, that's justlike, not a thing we can do, even
though we promised it. I thinkthe leader is doing a really good
job of using their own wordsagainst. And now that we have some

(14:43):
votes under our belts on whatthese Republicans are doing, now's
the time to go on offense anddraw the stark contrast of here's
what Democrats stand for,here's what Republicans stand for,
and the leader, too. There wasa great NBC article about this the
other day. Has been anywhereand everywhere to talk about this
message. I mean, he went on,he obviously goes on your regular

(15:07):
cable shows, but he's also onStephen A. Smith. So he's really
trying to reach as many peopleas possible with this message and
driving this contrast of who'sactually standing with regular American
working people. And I thinkit's proving to be a pretty effective
strategy.
Well, my good friend Mo has,you know, he's announced soon, and
it's. He. I've seen a previewof an ad and Mo, can I use the tagline,

(15:29):
might get in trouble. So partof it is kicking ass for the working
class. I really like that. Ithink it's short and sweet. It makes
sense, especially here in themountains. And I think the more that
we can focus on the workingclass again, which, for God's sakes,
you know, we're the party ofFDR and Truman and JFK and Johnson

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created these terrificprograms that still exist despite
the Republican efforts tearthem up. They still, they're still
around. And here's myprediction. They ain't going to touch
Social Security. They ain'tgoing to touch Medicaid. I promise
you that. They may try, but Ijust don't think it's going to go
anywhere because those areprograms. They have survived a lot
worse assaults than theseknuckleheads. So you talked a little

(16:14):
bit about going on theoffensive. I'm a big fan of pointing
out facts about your opponentwithout editorializing, but just
let the voters decide if facehumping your cousin is the sort of
congressman you want or not.And I've gotten, we've gotten in
a little bit of trouble hereand there, but we have survived as
well. So who are we going togo on the offensive? Who is your

(16:37):
pack? 25, obviously, you'vegot a target list. You said 26 vulnerables.
Let's highlight a couple ofthese sons of bitches. And one of
my favorites is Mary MeeksMiller of Iowa. Tell me about this
woman.
Yeah. So Marinette MillerMeeks, she represents Iowa one currently,
barely won her reelection infour against a stellar candidate

(16:58):
named Christina Bohannon. Andthis was a district that Trump won
by multiple, multiple points.That Marionette Miller makes, barely
squeaked out by a few hundredvotes is she's incredibly unpopular
with Republicans andDemocrats. And we see this as a district
that is a key flip opportunitycome November of next year. House
Majority Forward did somefavorable and approval rating research

(17:22):
on her earlier in February,and we found that a majority of her
constituents have anunfavorable rating of her, and only
26 have a 26% have a favorablerating of her. And nearly half of
her constituents disapprove ofher job performance. So she is what
she's doing out there is notworking. And, you know, I think Iowa

(17:43):
is a very interesting state ingeneral because Republicans have
gutted education funding outthere. They're gutting health care
funding. And that's why youthink like, you see candidates like
Christina Bohan in Iowa andyou see candidates like Rob sand
out there in Iowa have adecent chance of making some real
flips because they have seenwhat happens when you have Republicans
in charge for a long time. Andit is completely gutting institutions

(18:06):
in that state and drivingpeople out of there.
You know, I grew up in Iowa,C.J. and, and I was a, well, I don't
know it's a good thing or abad thing, but I'm a product of the
public school system. And, youknow, we never fought about funding
for Schools. The thing wefought about was bonding issues because
they're all local. But youknow, there was at one point, I think

(18:28):
either the constitution or itwas written into law that 50% of
the state budget had to bespent on education. And they certainly
fallen off that wagon due toKim Reynolds and Terry Branstad and
some of these otherknuckleheads out there. But how do
we get rid of. I call herquadruple. M. Mary Miller Meek is
mean because she's mean, man.There was a video of her where there

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was a guy advocating for, Ithink it was Medicaid, keeping the
Medicaid program. And she justblew him off and walked into an elevator
and gave him a scowl. Youknow, where do these people come
from, these Republicans?Because she could have easily just
stopped in the hall and said,hey, listen, I'm on the way to a
committee meeting, why don'twe sit down after this and have a

(19:15):
have a heart to heartdiscussion I'm happy to give you.
Instead, she just walks downthe hall, ignores the guy, stands
at the elevator, scowls at theguy. Where do these Republicans come
from? Are they, you know,dragons that are being dredged up
out of cemeteries? Where dothese people come from?
I mean, I think it just goesto show the level of disdain they
have for normal people and howout of touch they've become. You

(19:40):
know, when you are inoftentimes a more gerrymandered district,
you're hearing a lot of thingsin an echo chamber. You know, there
are Democratic echo chambers,but there are also a lot of Republican
echo chambers. And you'rereally insulating yourself from the
problems of normal workingpeople in your district and across
the country. And I think, youknow, when you finally get confronted
for something that, that isgoing to hurt people, you don't want

(20:03):
to see that. You don't, youwant to have to deal with that. And
I think that often means youjust want to run away from it. There
was in October of last year agreat video of a reporter from New
Jersey trying to interview TomKing Jr. Who represents New Jersey
7, another school district.And the reporter was just asking
for a comment on a story. TomKaine Jr. Just kept walking, wouldn't

(20:24):
say anything. The reporterjust kept asking questions. Do you
want to talk about the Mets orYankees, how they played this past
weekend? He wouldn't sayanything for two minutes straight
until he disappeared behind adoorway. So I think these people
just don't care and don'trespect any type of accountability.
And really the only thingthey're ever going to respond to
is being voted out at theballot box, which is again why we

(20:45):
are so focused on flipping asmany seats as possible.
Well, C.J. you know, I thinkone thing that David and I can do
that would really be helpfulfor the party now, we had Adam Kinzinger
on, we've had Joe Walsh, we'vehad David Jolly, who were all Republican
members of Congress at onepoint. And since then, you know,
David Jolly's now running forgovernor in Florida.

(21:07):
Yeah, I saw that.
As a Democrat, Joe Walshannounced this week that he is now
a registered Democrat. AdamKinzinger on our show said that,
you know, he's certainly notwelcome in the Republican Party if
the Democrats had a littlebroader aperture that he could see
himself being a Democrat. SoDavid and I have had a pretty good
track record record ofconverting Republicans to Democrats.

(21:28):
So if you could steer moreRepublicans our way, I think we can,
we can shift the tide here.
Yeah, I think, you know, inany election there's always kind
of, there's multiple factors,but two that always stick out are
mobilization, you know, makingsure the solid Dem voters show up
and, and persuasion. And youknow, these congressional races are
really GR to zero forpersuasion. This is how, you know,

(21:53):
a Marie Glueson Camperez inWashington3 is able to win reelection.
This is how Jared golden inMaine too, a district that voted
for Trump by close to 10points. Jared golden is able to run
and win so many multiple timesno matter what Republicans throw
at him. It's got it is themost important messengers for Democrats

(22:13):
are these actual Democraticelected and candidates who can talk
directly to the local issuesback at home. You know, when we run
ads and when I read coveragein every congressional district in
the country, they're notreally talking back home about national
politics. They're talkingabout Jared Goldin in Maine is talking
to the lobstermen out thereand how to keep their businesses

(22:36):
alive. To go back to NorthCarolina, Rep. Don Davis in eastern
North Carolina is talkingabout local small businesses in North
Carolina one and what he cando to make sure that the local economies
are flourishing in the bestway possible and delivering for his
constituents. You know, nomatter how, whether you have a D
or next year name. So I thinkit really is on. Candidates know

(22:57):
their districts better thananybody else, better than any DC
Consultant could ever knowtheir districts. Because when a candidate
knows their districts, theydrive a message and are able to outperform
not great environments. I meanwhat we were saying before we ended
up flipping three districts,sorry, a net approval, a net gain
of three districts in 2024. Wepicked up Housey. And a lot of that

(23:18):
was through our candidates.Guys like Derek Tran out in California,
45, beat a longtime Republicanincumbent, Michelle Steele, because
he was able to tell a story tothe Vietnamese community out in that
district and convert a lot ofVietnamese voters who were also voting
for Trump to vote for him. Soit really starts at a candidate level
and communicating locally,talking about local issues because,

(23:41):
you know, kitchen table issuesis a term but, you know, people sit
down at the kitchen table andtalk about bills. I know like I did
with my fiance over theweekend and you know, trying to figure
out your, your own budget. AndI think that's where a lot of local
electeds running for Congresscan plug in to help you really make
those conversations a littlebit easier and save you some money.
Yeah.

(24:01):
Hey, Mo, can I jump in here a sec?
Sure.
So. And if you would have saidno, I would have anyway. But CJ So
I just want to challenge youto, to reach out, why don't you reach
out to those folks, you know,Jolly, Walsh and Kinzinger. Let's,
let's activate these folks. Ifthis, and I posted this, and I'm

(24:21):
glad you brought this up. Mo,this is really a good point. I posted
on Access and Blue Sky. Youknow, if the Democrat Party can't
figure out a way to activateto the tent, you know, we're dead.
I mean, let's be honest. Youknow, we've got people willing. They've
been on the record. These guysare proud, you know, former elected
officials that, but, you know,they've got egos too, but they have

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sucked it up and they'rewilling to go on the record and state
publicly that they arealigning with the Democratic Party.
In Joe's case, comeDemocratic, let's find districts
for Walsh and Kinzinger to runin and fund them.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, what are we, what arewe three away from having a majority?
Kinzinger could win?
And I think a lot of that goesback to, especially when you talk

(25:03):
about Jolly in Florida is thegerrymandering problem we have across
this country where Republicanlegislatures have, have just, and
you guys have experienced thisfirsthand in North Carolina last
year, right, where Republicanlegislatures are cutting out really
good candidates and you know,not making it possible for folks
to run in a lot of districts.You know, when Trump wins a district

(25:23):
by 30, even in a Democraticleaning year, it's, it's not an easy
win necessarily. But I agreewith you. Like we, this is a, we've
always been a Big Ten party,right. Having voices of.
Not really. Sometimes.
Well, how many voices? Thatranges. Yeah. I come from a family
of mostly Republicans, and Ithink what helps my argument to the

(25:47):
Republican members of myfamily is when I can point out these
Adam Kinzingers of the world,the David Jollys of the world of
folks who are like, you see,you agree with basically everything
that this person says, andthis person is saying that Democrats
are the better bet. So I thinkthere's absolutely room for them.
Again, I think gerrymanderingis our biggest issue on the congressional
end, for sure. And obviously.

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But, but. C.J. sorry tointerrupt, but I'm really bad about
that. But. No, no, listen,let's look at Kinsey. You know, he,
he has a place in Texas, hehas a place in Illinois. Find a goddamn
some. And I realize you can'twave a wand and just make all this
happen, but I wish I could bethe. You could be the starting point.
Find a district for Kinsingerto run in, for God's sakes. And we're

(26:30):
down to, you know, two net,two to get the speakership. And.
Yeah, and the other thing I'mjust going to broadcast and I'll
actually let our guests speak,but is, you know, if speaker and
his staff have not calledthese guys, you know, they need to
check their sanity and theygotta figure out how to harness these

(26:52):
guys to help us win.
Listen, I think there's 100%always conversations to be had about
this. Right. Like, and we're agroup, too, as I said at the, at
the top of this, our solefocus is on winning, so we don't
rule anything out. So I thinkit's an idea we're definitely open
to exploring this year andnext year as well. I think, you know,

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obviously, too, that's, that'sup to the candidates. You could ask
a person to run for Congress.They may not necessarily always want
to run, but it's definitely, Iagree with you. It is 100% a conversation
worth.
You mentioned gerrymandering,and particularly in North Carolina
is truly a purple state. Imean, we, we have what, three times
in a row voted for Trump andthree times in a row voted for a

(27:35):
Democratic governor. It trulyis purple. But, you know, our, in
the last Congress, it wasseven Republicans, seven Democrats
from North Carolina, which isreflective of the makeup of North
Carolina. And as you said, youknow, the Republican legislature
through, you know, creativeDraftsmanship is now 10 to 4. So,

(27:57):
you know, that's, you know,that just here in North Carolina.
But for gerrymandering, theHouse of Representatives would be
virtually a dead heat ratherthan a Republican majority. So, you
know, you can, you can traceit back here to North Carolina is
part of the problem that, youknow, we're choosing. The Republican
legislatures are choosingtheir voters rather than the voters

(28:17):
choosing their representative.
Yeah. And I think, you know,that is a big issue for all of us,
not just House folks, buteverybody across the party to really
have to fight for over thenext decade here. Right. Because
there will be a newredistricting come 2032. We're closer
to that than 2020 at thispoint. And it is going to be obviously

(28:39):
a tough, tough fight, which iswhy I know David Hogg was on the
show two weeks ago and he wastalking about the Wisconsin state
Supreme Court races, why thesestate Supreme Court races are so
important and why we need tobe invested, like building a permanent
apparatus that is runningDemocratic candidates always and
investing in these communitiesbecause that is the only way we can
win in this day and age. Agroup like us. You know, we went

(29:02):
back to work right after theNovember election this past year
to focus on the 2026 electionsbecause we internally look and see,
you know, the one thing youcan't buy in this world is time.
So you got to get back on asaddle. You can grieve a little bit
that you lost, but you got toget back on the saddle right away
and get back to work becauseit is the only way we are going to
be able to, you know, bustthese Republican majorities that

(29:23):
gerrymander states like North Carolina.
All right. Hey, I don't knowif you've seen the act. It's on the
Senate side, but in SouthCarolina, there's the doctor, Annie
Andrews. Yeah. I don't know ifyou've seen her launch video where
for listeners that haven'tGoogle her name and go watch it.
It's really interesting. She'sa pediatrician, and in her launch
ad, she shows X rays. Sheshows an X ray. So this is a child

(29:47):
who has measles inducedpneumonia that could have been prevented
with a vaccine. Here's an Xray of a child with pediatric cancer.
And NIH has now been defundedto work on pediatric cancer. Here's
a kid with a gunshot woundthat's no longer tracked as a major
health risk, even though it'sthe leading cause of death for children.
And then she shows an X ray ofa kid with a perforated bowel. And

(30:09):
she said, here's a kid thatliterally is Full of shit. And then
she shows a picture of LindseyGraham and said, and here's an adult
who's full of shit. Yeah, itseems like Democrats are. You know,
I've always. My gripe for anumber of years has been where, you
know, we go to a knife fight,you know, they kind of. They show
up with an AR15 and we show upwith the quinoa salad. And it seems
like that attitude ischanging. We are being more forceful

(30:31):
and aggressive. You know, TimWalls was down in South Carolina
last weekend and said, youknow, Democrats have got to be more
forceful. So are you seeingthat across the country? Is that
something we're doing?
We're fighting harder, youknow, in these competitive congressional
districts. I'm definitelyseeing that. You know, just to highlight
a few Democratic incumbentswho are doing that for sure. New
York 3, Tom Suozzi, which is aLong island area seat. That man knows

(30:55):
how to fight for thatdistrict. And he's also somebody
that is, you know, you look athim and he is the perfect fit for
his district, less competitiveseat. But in Florida, 23, Jared Moskowitz
is a great communicator ofalways holding folks to account.
I'm sure you both have seenclips from him tearing apart Republicans
in these committee hearingsbefore, you know, just trying to

(31:17):
make their lives as brutal as possible.
But he does it with love.
Yeah, he does it with love, right?
Yeah, he's great.
And that responds. People liketo see things like that. And when
you're seeing Democrats beingable to tear apart a Republican message
and have a little fun with it,it does really respond to people.
It looks less forced. It looksless of a talking point. It looks

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like you're having a normalconversation with people. And so,
like, Moskowitz is a greatcommunicator on that end. A guy like
in Ohio, one, Greg Landsman,is a really great communicator for
his district and is often ableto really, like, call out a lot of
the BS Republicans are pushingin the state of Ohio. And going back
to Annie Andrews, I think onething that really helps our candidates

(32:01):
bring fights to Republicans inthese districts is if they have an
interesting background. Youknow, Annie Andrews, being a medical
professional is an interestingbackground. We have a ton of doctors
in the House Democratic Caucuswho are able to tear apart these
Republican health caremessages, their attacks on abortion.
They're full of shitmessaging, for lack of a better term,
and because they're trusted.You know, people in their communities

(32:23):
trust their doctors. Anotherpersonal favorite of mine is Pat
Ryan and New York 18. He is aformer veteran. He went to West Point.
He represents West Point. Andhe's done a really good job of running
a proactive argument ofpatriotic populism. That and just
calling out bs, you know, notletting Republicans get away with

(32:43):
saying the things that theyget to say on the regular. And he's
not afraid to do it on msnbcand he's a frequent contributor to
Fox News and calling them outon that all the time. And I think
that's really important. It'snot only having the fight, but it's
taking the fight to everywhere.
How do you, you know, I thinkone of the challenges I see for us
is that, you know, the rightwing literally owns social media
and they've beaten themainstream media largely into submission.

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So how do we punch through,how do we get our message across
when, you know, thecommunication pipes are largely controlled
by the other side and they'reregulating what gets out to the public?
Yeah, I mean, I think thereare a few things to be done. One
more investment in a digitalapparatus rapid response wise for

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Democrats. I think we as aparty have really taken a lot of
lessons from last year and areimplementing that around this time
around. You know, Kamala HQreached a lot of young voters and
I think there is a way tocontinue to use those strategies
and build on those strategiesto create an even more effective
messaging that breaks throughon these social media platforms.

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You know, we work with a lotof young folks who really understand
the algorithms of these spacestoo. And I think figuring out how
the algorithm is changing inorder to tailor a message that pops
more. Republicans have beenvery efficient at that and I think
we're getting much better atthat. But it's something we can still
stand to improve upon. Andthen on the Fox News piece, I would
say, listen, Democrats have toengage more with these right wing

(34:12):
networks and not to say thatthey should just roll over and agree
with everything thatRepublicans are saying on these networks,
but you have to bring thefight. And again, that's somebody
like Pat Ryan is really goodabout going on Fox and just absolutely
tearing apart a Republicanargument. And I've again, I've had
family members who watch FoxNews pretty regularly reach out and
be like, this guy's actuallypretty sane. Democrats should be

(34:32):
elevating. And so I think it'sagain, not being afraid to have the
fight is the number one priority.
Right. Well, I'm just gladthat we're engaging in the fight.
I think, you know, for toolong we were too passive and I think
the public wants somebody theyfeel like is going to fight for them
and their family. So I'm, I'mreally happy that we're taking a
more aggressive stance. Butagain, on, on messaging, you know,

(34:54):
I think our party's alwaysbeen really good at writing 20 page
position papers that nobodyreads. And the other side comes up
with the three word bumpersticker that everybody remembers.
So I think we're doing abetter job there too at, you know,
finding those hooks thatconnect with, with ordinary people
rather than using the academicspeak that we have used for, I think

(35:16):
too long.
Yeah. I mean, one thing justto touch on that, you know, we've
done a lot of what I like tocall unconventional message testing
where we're trying to find outthere, you know, what people are
saying is making their lifeunaffordable. Because obviously we
all know people are sayingcosts are rising. We all see costs
are rising in front of us.We're trying to drive in on what
do you think is actually thebiggest thing that is costing you

(35:37):
more. And one of the toptesting things was Americans are
paying more for auto, home andhealth insurance and insurance company
profits continue to grow. AndI think that could be a very interesting
proactive contrast thatDemocrats could talk about. Lowering
car insurance rates, loweringhome insurance rates, finding ways
to get cheaper home insurancerates in climate affected areas,
you know, like in Florida,California, or even potentially in

(35:59):
North Carolina, because thatis a cost that people see and think
about on an almost daily basisfor the.
You had to bring this up, C.J.insurance. I ran for North Carolina
insurance commissioner andflamed out big time. But seriously,
that is a, a big issue, man.And North Carolina is probably, you
know, one, one more storm awayfrom Florida becoming Florida, where

(36:23):
insurance companies are goingto start pulling out big time. You
know, and Mo and I live in theheart of, you know, the Helene damage
here in western NorthCarolina. And I haven't seen or heard
much on insurance yet, but I'msure, I'm sure it's coming. But so
one of the things that is alsobe in my bonnet and since I've got

(36:43):
you, C.J. unfortunately,you're gonna have to live through
this and it's not your fault.I just, I, I'm interested in your
take on this, especially froma donor standpoint, whether larger.
You know, Marcus flowers ranagainst MTG, spent $16 million. Sean
Harris, good guy, militaryguy, ran against MTG, spent three

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and a half million dollarsdonor money. How do we get the message
out to donors to stop donatingto these sorts of races? And it's
not a slight against either ofthose gentlemen. It's she wins by
30%. I, I just did an analysisand posted up on substack americanmuccrs.substack.com
on that race. And there is aconsistency. She has raised about

(37:27):
$18 million over the lastthree cycles. Democrats have raised
about 20. The loss percentagehas remained the same. We lose by
30% plus every single time, anaverage of 31. How do we get donors
to stop dumping money intothose races? And I con and I contrast
that with our love for LaurenBobert out in Colorado. We were an

(37:48):
early, early supporter of AdamFrisch, who listeners certainly know
lost by 546 votes. He his costper vote was about 26 bucks, which
had he had another 50 grand,he could have won that race, I think.
How do we get donors small andlarge to focus on the races that
matter that, you know, theyear 26 or 23 target?

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Yeah, I mean, it is a reallygood question because as somebody
who works in the mostcompetitive congressional districts
across the country, Ifrequently ask myself the same question
because I always want ourcandidates to have more money in
these toughest races becauseI'm trying to win as many races as
possible. And I knowobviously, like a Marjorie Taylor
Greene general election is notreally a viable win for us there.

(38:33):
I think, you know, there'sbeen a lot of tough conversations
since November about wherewe're sending money and everything.
And that's a larger, muchlarger conversation to be had. I
think it starts on all of us,like folks in the party of elected
officials calling out when weshouldn't be doing something. There
was obviously, I don't knowhow closely either of you were tracking
those Florida specialelections earlier this year, but

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there are a lot of just randompacks popping up down there around
those, around those races thatweren't really spending money on
ads, but the people in chargeof the packs were making a lot of
money off of it. And we didsome calling out of that afterwards
because it's just that youcan't, it can't be an acceptable
thing to happen anymore ifwe're really trying to build a larger

(39:17):
and larger Democratic majoritythat is sustainable for multiple
years, not just, just twoyears at a time, but for multiple.
So I think it involves a lotof us calling out and as an ecosystem,
you know, not being able to,not necessarily like working with
folks who are going to engagein tactics that are frankly, like,
for lack of a better term, scammy.

(39:38):
Scammy and unethical. Andantithetical to our charges Democrats.
And I think ActBlue is doing alot of good work about scam packs
these days.
So, so let's. I want tochallenge you on ON to join us Project.
I have been trying to build adatabase of these sorts of atrocities,

(39:58):
not atrocities, these sorts ofscam packs, et cetera. And there
are a lot, and frankly, thereare a lot of scammy consultants in
Washington and elsewhere. I'dlove to build a database where before
you donate to ActBlue on acandidate you don't know, you go
to this database and look andsee what is the win ratio on the
consultant on that race. And,and how many times is that candidate

(40:20):
run? Because, you know, in thecase I know I'm going to call him
out. I'm going to call outMarcus Flowers. He ran that race
in Georgia, raised $16million, took that database and is
using it for his own purpose.You know, he's got his own pack which
he pays himself out of, buthe's raising money off of that race
from money from donors thatnever should have given him in the
first place because it wasn'ta winnable race.

(40:41):
So I would love it when folksdo that. It just builds distrust
between right, here.
We are and here we are. Incontrast that with American Mucker.
We raised pennies. Dude. Dude.And you know, we, we spent about
125 grand on Boebert. Camewithin 546 votes. Now, we had a good

(41:01):
candidate and that wasn't justus, but we contributed to that 450
or 540 vote law positive way.And, and then we did the same thing
with Cawthorne. We spent about150 on him. And again, we weren't
the only reason. But we gotDemocrats to convert to unaffiliated
and vote against that. And hisvote margin was 1400. Cawthorn.

(41:22):
Yeah.
So why is it that we gottafight for pennies? And we've got
a track record. We've got agreat. I'd love this database would
help the party and helpeverybody. You know, we struggle
to raise pennies.
Yeah. I mean, first of all, Idon't envy you as someone who's never
had to raise a penny. I'm in apretty, like, lucky position myself.
I will say, you know, one damn.

(41:43):
C.J.
Well, more just because it'snot a function of my job, I would
say, yeah, okay. All right.
That's better.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't have to dothat professionally. I will, I will
say, you know, one, not thatthere's really any silver linings
to Trump being back in office,but this is a time where I think
Democrats, like,professionally, the activists, the

(42:04):
party as a whole, is exploringa lot of of different and new ways
to do things. And I kind ofcome from the camp of no idea is
necessarily a bad idea.Everything is worth discussing because
that's oftentimes how you findsome truly unconventional ideas that
work really well. And I knowobviously Ken Martin, new DNC Chair,

(42:26):
is doing a really good job ofbuilding this new national Democratic
Party. And I think all optionscan be on the table with that. As
to the raising money aspect, Idon't know too much about that, so
I can't speak to it. Butagain, I think the more ideas, the
merrier. And I'm happy to alsooffline with you after this to send

(42:46):
you a few names of folks Ithink should be on your list.
Okay, good. Well, I appreciatethat, C.J.
Yeah, I'd push back just alittle bit on that because we had
David Hogg on. I brought it upwith him that there's an article
came out yesterday about NC11and it's a North Carolina publication
called the assembly, but intheir quotes, Caleb Rudow, who was

(43:08):
the candidate last timearound, and Caleb was saying that,
you know, one of hisfrustrations was that, you know,
he couldn't get anyone in theparty to even, you know, answer the
phone when he called. So, youknow, we want somebody to run in,
you know, in every race up anddown the ballot, you know, even the
ones, you know, it's likeDavid ran up in, up around Spruce
Pines, you know, heavily redarea, you know, where, you know,

(43:29):
Republicans are going to winjust because of the math. But my
point was that the party wantssomebody to run for every office,
then there's got to be somebase level of support for those candidates
because, you know, weencourage people to run. And then
when they do and they're in adistrict that's not competitive,
it's like, well, you know,you're on your own now. So we can't
abandon those people who, whoanswer the call and step up, even

(43:50):
though they know that unlikelythey're going to be.
Yeah, I this is actually workskind of well with something we are
doing internally that I'mreally happy to talk about further.
So In December of 2024, weannounced a recruitment fund and
really focused on this fromHouse Majority PAC respect perspective.
We've seen time and time againwhen you are able to field robust

(44:11):
candidate operations indistricts that, you know, are tougher,
like a Trump plus 15% districtthat, you know, in the right environment
could flip, but is a prettytough uphill battle. But if we're
able to feel a viablecandidate who knows how a strong
race and has like the supportaround them to run a strong race,
it puts Republicans fartherback and back on defense. This happened

(44:34):
in a few races in 2024 whereRepublicans were swearing up and
down in September that theywould never spend in Wisconsin three,
because that's an easyRepublican district that they were
going to win to, then havingto dump in $5 million and at the
last minute into Wisconsinthree for Derek Van Orden there.
And so I think this issomething we are keenly focused on
this year, is, is trying toreally work into some of these deeper,

(44:57):
deeper red districts and seeif we can find somebody with an interesting
profile that fits the districtreally well that can draw an interesting
contrast between themselvesand the Republican who, you know,
even in a Trump plus 15district may be too right wing for
the Trump plus 15 districtbecause that was similar to the Boebert
district where she was stillway too right wing for the way that

(45:18):
district voted. So this issomething we are really, really focusing
in on this year.
And she comes from a crime family.
We're trying to really focusin on that and give them the strategic
help right now to help build aviable campaign. And we're meeting
with candidates in multiplecandidates in multiple districts

(45:39):
across the country and asfolks declare, are always happy to
meet with them, to give theminitial thoughts on things because
we feel this is a veryimportant thing for us too, especially
really. Again, just going backto the gerrymandering conversation.
The map is smaller than it'sever been, so it's on us to find
ways to expand it, and that isby running strong candidates and
giving them support in muchtougher red districts.

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Well, listen, I reallyappreciate the energy and effort
you're bringing to this.
Of course. Listen, happy warrior.
Yeah, I was going to say,because it's easy to be, you know,
down and dejected and justwring your hands and, you know, it
is clear your optimism andenergy comes through and that that's
what we really need because wecan't. This, this is not the time
to, to sit down and rest. Wegotta, you know, stand up and fight.

(46:24):
Well, I'm a big time soreloser, so that's what fuels a lot
of it.
Yeah. And, you know, one ofthe things that Mo has talked a lot
about is using the rules toour benefit. We don't need to Cheat,
lie or steal like they do.But, you know, like we did with Cawthorne,
encourage Democrats to make astrategic vote. There wasn't a primary

(46:45):
in that congressional race,NC11 that year. You know, we got
Democrats to changeregistration to vote out Cawthon
and very proud of that. But Moand I to this day get shit from the
bunk of Democratic Party forpulling those people off the Democratic
rolls. So I, I think we justneed to get a lot more creative.
And I agree with you, Mo. C.J.it's a delight. You are a shining

(47:11):
light, a star in the sky forme because I don't hear a lot of
this optimism. I don't hear alot of, of we're gonna win. And I'm
confident you're going to. Andyou're going to be part of the reason
that this majority, yourdonors team and everybody at this
pack. But man, you're one ofthe first people we've had on that

(47:31):
has a focus, laser focus. AndI really want to appreciate, I really
want to thank you for, fordoing that and providing us and our
listeners with some positiveenergy. I'll just say.
And House Democrats make iteasy. House Democrats make it that
easy to be positive.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah,they've got a really good, good leadership
team, too. And I, I am proudof this Democratic team. And you

(47:53):
know, the fact that we don'thave a cohesive anti Trump thing,
I think he's going to implodeanyway. So just let him implode.
Do, you know, use the Obamarule, not the dig his own. But. So
CJ We've got a candidate thatcan win and will win in a tough district
still. This is not going to bea cakewalk. It's, you know, Cook
is plus 5 GOP down from Ithink 9 when or 11 when Mo ran two

(48:18):
years, four years ago. What'syour advice to Mo on winning this
district? He's, he's learnedsome lessons since last time. You're
an expert. You see goodcandidates, you see bad candidates.
What, what's the two or threethings that Mo needs to focus on
over the next six months inthis campaign?
Well, Mo, I think you gotnumber one down already. So that's.

(48:40):
You talk like a normal person.And I think that's really important.
Right. When we start usinglarge talking point words that don't
mean to anybody, we can lose acaptive audience very quickly. Listen,
the other thing I would say isfocus on these kitchen table issues
as much as possible. When wedo our ads in general election year.

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You know, they're talkingabout what this Republican is doing
to make your life moreunaffordable, make it tougher for
you to have the family andlife you want in the American, American
dream. So I, I think relayingeverything, you know, back to this
is how Chuck Edwards is. Israising your cost is probably a smart
way forward. And that'sthrough. That can be looked through

(49:22):
the lens in so many ways. Youknow, Medicaid, that's a health care
lens, home insurance, that's.That's your utility lens. Everything
comes back down to people'sbank accounts and their wallets.
And that's how I like to talkabout things, because ultimately
everybody's just trying tomake it and build the best lives
for themselves and theirfamily. And I think that is the best
way to communicate to that.And three, and again, this is something

(49:46):
both of you are already doinga great job of, is just calling out
Chuck Edwards, making sure henever gets a day of rest is really
important because that breedsmistakes when they feel like the
spotlight's always on them. Asyou both know, with Chuck Edwards
hitting a constituent with aclipboard recently, those types of
mistakes happen with a.

(50:07):
Scotch in the other hand.
Yeah. When those types ofthings happen, when the heat is always
on you. And clearly, you know,folks out in North Carolina, Levin
did a great job at his townhall a few weeks ago, and really
holding his fire, that's thetype of thing that will cause Chuck
Edwards to make more mistakes.And there's nothing that people hate
more than being embarrassed bytheir member of Congress, as we saw

(50:29):
with George Santos a few years back.
Yeah.
And Madison.
And as we saw.
Yeah, that's one of theMadison cawthorn. Yeah.
Yeah. Two. Two things you gotto give Chuck credit for. He. He
did show up for the town hallknowing that he was not pitching
to the home team on that one.So I give him credit for that. And,
and number two, he's kept hispants on. So that's a big improvement

(50:49):
over our last conversation.That's about the only two things
I.
Could think of that we knowof. You know, there's some stuff
out there that we're going toget deeper into as this campaign
goes on, but.
Yeah. Yeah, Chuck Edwardsbetter be ready for some. Some more
bad in the upcoming months.
All right, well, you know, thelast thing we really need is another

(51:10):
rich Cadillac driving guy.
And come on, 100%, we can dobetter than that.
All right. Any parting words,C.J. how do folks connect with you,
learn more about your organization?
Yeah. Our website is theHouseMajorityPack.com you can follow
us. We're constantly postingvideos of Republicans saying terrible
things at on our Twitter atHousemadge Pack and same handle for

(51:32):
Instagram and for TikTok aswell where we're trying to reach
everyone and anyone. And Iappreciate the both of you taking
the time to have me on. Soit's great to travel well, C.J.
It was worth every second. Allright, so that's it for this episode
of the American Muckrakerspodcast. Muck you. I'm David Wheeler
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This has been Muck you, cohosted by Colonel Mo Davis in Asheville,
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Thanks to our guest today, CJWarnke of the House Majority Packs.

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