May 28, 2025 • 45 mins
Get ready to roll in the political muck as David and Colonel Mo Davis tackle the latest political shenanigans with their guest, Congressman Jack Kimball. In this episode, they dive headfirst into the wild world of political scams and the absurdities of American politics, all while keeping it hilariously real. Kimball, who represents the most diverse district in California, brings his own brand of humor and insight, discussing everything from executive orders running the show to his unconventional book, "Detective Jesus, Thou Shalt Not Kill." The trio serves up a buffet of playful banter, tackling topics like beef exports, the juicy drama of Congress, and even the intricacies of political strategy, all while keeping the laughs rolling. So grab your shovels and join them as they dig deep into the delightful chaos that is American politics!
Takeaways:
- Speaker B kicked off the episode with a humorous intro, setting the tone for a fun and casual discussion about American politics.
- Colonel Mo Davis introduced their guest Congressman Jack Kimball, who represents California's 54th district, a wildly diverse area that has a yoga institute and militia movement.
- The conversation veered into the absurd with talks about renaming states and the potential for beef exports to India, showcasing their playful banter and comedic timing.
- Jack Kimball made some eyebrow-raising comments about the legal system and Trump, leading to debates about fairness in trials, revealing the humorous yet serious nature of the discussion.
- There were laughs about the political landscape, including jokes about Congress and some light-hearted ribbing between the hosts and their guest, making it a lively episode.
- The episode wrapped with a reminder to stay loud and keep shoveling, a nod to their mission of digging through the muck of politics with a side of humor.
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- Elon
- X
- Reuters
- Jack Kimball
- California
- Sierra Nevada
- Chicago
- Jesus
- Detective Jesus
- FDR
- Herbert Hoover
- Judge Pirro
- Spirit Halloween
- Thom Tillis
- Madison Cawthorn
- Lauren Boebert
- David Simon
- Martin Scorsese
- Tyler Perry
- J.D. Vance
- Colonel Sanders
- RFK Jr.
- JFK Jr.
- Corey Lewandowski
- Betsy DeVos
- Arne Duncan
- Chuck Edwards
- American Muckrakers
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Episode Transcript
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Welcome to Muck you thepodcast that rips through the BS
of American politics with zeroapologies. This week we're exposing
the latest political scams andfighting for what matters. I'm David
Wheeler and meet my co host, areal deal lawyer for change and our
next congressman for NC 11,Colonel Mo Davis. Grab a shovel and
let's dig into the muck on MucU. Take it away, Colonel.
(00:30):
Well, thanks David. Mr.Pleasure to be back with everyone
on a kind of a cool and cloudyday here in western North Carolina,
but continuing with ourtradition. Got another great guest
today and, and one I'm I'msure you're going to find interesting.
We've got RepublicanRepresentative Jack Kimball. He's
representative of California's54th congressional district. And
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I'm sure all the listeners onhere know that the California's 54th
congressional district isprobably the most diverse district
in California. Extends all theway from the Sierra Nevada mountains
down to the coast and itincludes the largest, largest yoga
institute in America and alsoone of the largest militia movements.
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So it really is just a verydiverse district to represent. Representative
Kimball is also a best sellingauthor. He's got a book out called
Detective Jesus, Thou ShaltNot Kill in which he tries to relate
to young people and, and toconvert them over by portraying Jesus
as a Chicago police detectivein the 1970s. So Representative Kimball,
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thank you so much for takingtime out of your I know busy schedule
up in Washington to, to joinus today.
Thanks. It's actually, andyou'll find you might find this out
yourself. It's actually notthat busy. Everything is executive
order now. So I have anotherSettlers of Catan game. We have a
big tournament going coming uplater this afternoon, but otherwise
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I'm pretty much just sittingback. The big beautiful bill is in
the Senate now, so we don'treally have to worry about that anymore.
And I'm not renaming anythingfor another couple of weeks.
All right, well listen, I knowyou're on the, on the far end of
the conservative scale, so I'mwondering, does it bother you that,
that you and your colleaguesare collecting federal salaries when
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as you said, the being run byexecutive order rather than Congress
actually doing anything.
As you mentioned before, wehave the, the basically largest yoga
institute in my district andas a result, even though I, I really
worry that it's a slipperyslope, I am familiar with a lot of
Zen thought and I believesometimes the man who does the most
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is actually the man who doesthe least.
You know that that makes,makes eminent sense and, you know,
I guess I, I first becamefamiliar with you, I guess not quite
a year ago, is back in June of2024 when Reuters had a, had a. Quoted
you and it was your commentsabout your view that the Trump trial
(03:08):
was unfair. And I'm just,Could you explain to our listeners
why, why you thought it was unfair?
So, as you know, in our jurysystem, in our legal system, every
person should have a right, aslong as the president agrees with
this, to make their case ofwhy they are innocent. And I thought
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Trump did so beautifully.Unfortunately, during the trial,
as he is trying to prove hisinnocence, there's a whole nother
set of lawyers trying to provehe's guilty, which to me seems like
legal interference.
Well, yeah, I agree. I'm anattorney, and I've never really understood
how that works either, and howanyone can consider that to be a
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fair system. But I, I saw whatyou, you were quoted in the Chinese
media, and they were kind oftook offense to some of the things
that you, you said that yousaid, you know, kind of screw China.
If they don't want to buyAmerican beef, then we'll sell it
to India. Have you been ableto resolve the tensions with, with
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China over your comments?
I have not. However, Iunderstand it was a negative commentary,
but what I found is if youtranslate it back into English, comes
up a lot more positive. So I'mhoping to kind of use it as some
kind of a press release.
Yeah. You're also quoted inthe European media when there was
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a cyber attack on X and, andon Elon. And you were quoted in that
piece along with other membersof, of Congress, I think it was.
Representative Don Bacon,Senator Mark Kelly and yourself were
all quoted in the article. Sowhat was your take on that cyber
attack on Elon and on X?
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Well, I was worried you weregoing to talk about the El Salvador
situation because I got quotedwith that one, too. The, the attack
on X. I just think that nobodywants these kind of attacks. I think
they're really bad forbusiness, they're bad for, for cyber
security. And I think it's upto Elon to give these attackers a
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portion of X now so that wecan have peace.
Well, Representative Kimball,it's a pleasure to, to meet you.
I've been following you on X.I don't really understand you most
of the time, but. What's that?
I don't either. It's okay.
All right. Well, you know thatIndia is full of Hindus that don't
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eat beef, right?
Right.
So why would, why would yousuggest that we move our China exports
to India. Isn't that kind of astupid, stupid suggestion?
This is typical liberalthinking. Yeah. There's a lot of
Hindus in India, and yes, theydon't eat beef right now because,
you know, their own, you know,religious and cultural reasons. However,
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they did not get all thosebeef commercials that we did in the
80s. India is a world, whatthey call a growth market. I think
we have a lot. You know, ifyou noticed how popular, like, Yellowstone
is, we've got.
Yeah, yeah, I loved. I lovethat show.
Yeah, we've got, like, a lotof rancher actors who are getting
famous now. They can certainlybe doing the, hey, beef, it's what's
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for dinner India kind of thing.
And Kevin Costner isn't partof that show anymore, though.
I know, but it's kind of leftyanyway. But still, we could. We could
be really marketing them.India isn't ready for. For Madison
Avenue. India isn't ready forLeo Burnett India. I. I guarantee
we can convince those people.Yeah, you know, the religion. I mean,
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look. Look how many tenants ofChristianity we've managed to strip
from Christianity. You don'tthink we can't strip not eating beef
from Hinduism?
Yeah. Well, you ought tolegislate it, actually. You know,
you ever thought about that?
It's tricky because it'sanother country.
Well, that doesn't stop usanywhere else, does it?
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No, but unfortunately, sinceit's another country, only the president
can actually legislate that.
Oh, that's true. I hadn'tthought about it that way. So listen,
let's switch gears a littlebit here. Sex and rock and roll,
maybe. So one of our favoritemembers of Congress is Lauren Boebert.
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We call her Beetlejuice Bobertbecause we're all. Now the. The big
rumor is that you guys gotsomething going down. What's the.
What's the truth there? Comeon now.
No, I mean, this is just partof working together and collaborating.
Lauren is very hands on. Andbecause of that, we've worked very
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closely. And, you know, Idon't see any reason, you know, this
has to be all theatrical. It'sjust, you know, working kind of.
Well, how do you feel about.Is. Do you think she's a liberal
lover or a conservative lover?
I think she's very much. Sheused to definitely be. Be further
right. But now that she's agreat grandmother, I think she's
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much more down the middle.
She's a great grandmother? Ithought she was just a grandmother.
Well, but she's great at It.
According to whom?
If you notice, none of herfamily's been arrested in like the
last three or four months.
That's true. That's true. Godprobably planted that seed in their
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heads, right?
Definitely. She's definitelymellowing. And I like to think the
rest of the family has alsomeld. Or at least got pants that
are harder to remove.
Yeah, right. Have you. Haveyou ever met her mother? Her mother
claims to be quite the lover too.
You know, I really have beenadvised not to talk about any meetings
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with her mother. So you've hadmeetings again? Legal counsel has
said I really should not betalking about that.
What's that? Are you her. Areyou Lauren's father?
I can't. I can't say why atlegal. Legally, this could. There
could be repercussions.
Well, we don't do here. Ifyou're just gonna backpedal like
a typical Republican, then whyare we even having this conversation?
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I might possibly be her father.
See, I knew I'd get the truthout of you.
Jack, the list is huge.
Yeah. All right, what about.What about this other knucklehead
that Mo ran against? And Ithink Mo actually won that election
because I think it was rigged.And he. He should be in Congress
(09:45):
right now, but he ran againstthis face humping guy, Madison Cawthorn.
Have you ever been involved ina face humping with Cawthorn?
No, I mostly know Madisonthrough his videos.
Right.
Instead of, you know. But Iwill say that he. He definitely is
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an outside the box thinker.
That's true. That's true.
Have you.
Have you ever wished you couldface up him or he face up you?
No, but that's. I mean, that'sjust kind of the luck of where the
keys go, you know, everybody.
What does that mean?
Oh, well, when we. Whenever wehave a caucus, generally there's
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a dish up at the front of ofthe room. We put our keys in there
and.
You know, I saw that movie.That was pretty good.
Yeah, it just depends whosekeys you got. Really?
Yeah.
So what it.
So seriously, what. How abouta threesome with Cawthorne and Bobert?
Who would be the third?
You.
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Oh, okay. No, just because of.Of, you know, the possibility that
Lauren might be my offspring.I wouldn't want to do. That's true.
I'd forgotten about that. Iapologize, Congressman. That was
completely out of order. Weshould take down those words. Probably.
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Wow, that just occurred to methat I would be a great grandfather.
Probably. Okay, Mo, I'm goingto take a little break here and Send
it back to you.
All right. Well, CongressmanKimball, I'm curious about your.
Your book, Detective Jesus,Thou Shalt Not Kill. What was your
inspiration for that?
(11:30):
It's. It's actually DetectiveJesus Number one. Thou. Thou Shalt
Not Kill. There. There may bea sequel coming up. So I guess what
happened is I was eatingbreakfast, and it was one of those
bizarre things where you'retoasting bread and you take the bread
out of the toaster and youlook at it and you can't deny it.
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It. It's Jesus's image on thetoast. And at that same time, I was
watching a rerun on UTV ofMannix. They have both Manix and
Canon, at least they used toearly in the morning, which was.
Which is great. So I'mwatching Mannix, and I'm seeing this
image of Jesus on my toast.And as I take a bite, I'm thinking,
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Jesus and Mannix. You couldreally combine those two and tell
a riveting story. I like tothink it's the third greatest story
ever told, actually. And inthis particular, you know, book,
I tried to do a lot of thetropes of the great 70s and 80s detectives.
So, for instance, his, youknow, commanding officers. Lieutenant,
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who's by the book. Well, who'smore by the book in the Bible than
Pontius Pilate? So his. Hislieutenant is actually a descendant
of Pontius Pilate, which Ithink really kind of helps to center
everything biblically.
And you said they're thesequel of any, you know, give the.
The audience any. Any hints onwhen you think that might be.
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I'm not. I'm not really sure.I'm. I'm currently working on a book
about FDR running in the 1936Olympics, but called President Lightning.
Jack. He was in a wheelchair.
Okay.
It's not appropriate.
FDR had what they. Everybodythinks FDR had polio. He. He had
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Guillain Barre Syndrome. Andthat gives you weakened reflexes.
Well, a lot of people don'tknow. Herbert Hoover was actually
very into physical fitness andphysical therapy. He invented a sport
called Hoover Ball, which wasbasically volleyball with a medicine
ball, which I don't know howthere aren't a lot of broken wrists.
They still play it at theHoover Presidential Library. They
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have a tournament every year.Well, Herbert Hoover develops a way
to give a human superhumanreflexes. Unfortunately, no normal
person could take it. Butbecause GU Syndrome, I think Named
after. I'm not sure who that'snamed after, but what it did was
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with his weakened reflexes, itjust Made him one of the fastest
men alive.
Wow. Hey, I'm. I'm curioustoo. I, I've been reading where there's
a bidding war between MartinScorsese and Tyler Perry for movie
rights to Detective Jesus.There's any update on, on how that's
going?
Actually, I had hoped for atelevision show originally.
(14:31):
More money in movies, though,isn't there?
Well, I think, I think Jesus,you know, as a detective, just works
better in an episodic format.David Simon, who did the Wire, liked
a lot of it, but his problemwas he just didn't understand why
Jesus couldn't just revive thevictim from the dead and ask him
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who killed him.
And that is a conundrum.
I really didn't have ananswer, so I'm kind of working on
figuring out why, and then I'mgoing to probably repitch it.
Well, so you caught some griefin USA Today last year when you had
commented on the vicepresidential debate between J.D.
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vance.
I thought it was perfectlyvalid criticism. I mean, everybody
was ready to, like, declarethat, you know, oh, Wal. Did, you
know, was, you know, didgreat. And, and, and I, I just thought
it was perfectly validcriticism. I thought. J.D.
Hey.
Hey.
Representative Kimble.
Yes. Yeah.
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Could you please notinterrupt? I know you were Republican.
You guys think you can dothat? Kind of, but I think Mo had
a question.
Well, I'm not, I didn'trealize there's.
A question and all of that.I'm sorry.
Yeah, well, you're, you're,you're. Your critique of the debate
came out 12 hours before the debate.
Well, Twitter lets you preload questions. You can post them
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to come out at a later time.
That's odd.
And I've been doing that allseason with like, the White Sox,
who are a baseball team Iquite like, you know, and, and no
one criticized me for it. I,you know, I'd say hard law, hard
loss. And, you know, the gamemight not have started yet, and nobody
had a problem with that. Butall of a sudden, when it's my job,
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people don't like you giving,you know, your feedback on the debate
before it's happened.
Well, yeah, probably becauseit's a long, boring answer like you
just gave a second ago.
But.
So back to. Back to Congress,who is your favorite, favorite member
of the House these days?
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There's so many. It's reallyhard. I liked, you know, I liked
Matt Gates a lot. I hate tosee him go. I would, I would probably
say Marjorie. Marjorie TaylorGreene Ritos.
What do you call it?
What's Your nickname for her,the Distinguished lady.
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Yeah, yeah. What'sdistinguishing about her mostly?
The, the way she carriesherself. She. He always is class,
which is a nice quality. We,we were on a really, really. We were
on a. We were on a flight backtogether going west from Washington,
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and I was stopping off inDenver. So we were on the same flight
and we were supposed to be on.We were supposed to be on first class.
And unfortunately there was aproblem. We both wound up in coach
and Marjorie was really,really irate and, you know, the stewardess
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tried to talk to her and hadproblems. And finally the co pilot
goes back and the co pilotexplained to her that the coach was.
Was going to be going toDenver, but first class would actually
be going to New York. And shewas able to handle it and said, okay,
well, at least coach is goingto get me where I want to go.
Yeah, that's verydistinguished. So what about Trump?
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Have you. I assume you and.And Donald are pretty good friends.
I wouldn't say good friends,but we're, we're definitely buds.
Yeah.
On the bud level.
And, and where is his wifethese days? Which one of our first
lady?
Which one?
Well, I thought there was justone Melania.
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The first Melania. Yeah, she'saround, very, very loving, but remember,
she's got a background as amodel, so, like, it's not unusual
that she wants to use her bestpictures, even if they were from
the first term.
Got it, Got it. But she's notreally playing a role as first lady,
a traditional role.
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She's not playing a role.
Ah, got it. Okay.
You know, do you know howmuch, how many actors would kill
to get paid as much perappearance as she does?
That's true. That's true. Sodo you think they're actually married
or. I saw some headlines acouple weeks ago that they're actually
separated.
You can be married and separated.
Well, like legally separated.They're not sharing a bedroom anymore.
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Well, the problem with sharinga bedroom is, you know, now it's
not so bad now that he'spresident, but remember, he had a
lot of files to store and.
True. And it makes for a lumpybed, huh?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. All right, so if you.Who are you going to support in the
next election for president?
I think the, the real questionis who's going to support me of the
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next candidates?
So you're, you're announcing?
No, I'm looking for bids. Iwould like a cabinet position. I
would like. If I can't get acabinet position, I want an ambassadorship
and not to one of those crappycountries. But I have run for president
before, and now if Donaldwants to step down, I certainly will
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consider doing it again.
Right. All right, well, here'san idea, Jack. Why don't you change
your name to Trump Donald andrun on that ticket?
That's not bad. That's notbad. You know, the only. The only
thing I worry about is if Ichange my name and run on the ballot
and JD Runs on the ballot, wedon't know what name he'll be using
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this time.
It's true.
And this could really confuse people.
Well, yeah, he's. What. Whatis the name he uses these days?
JD Or Ashley Furniture?
Oh, yeah. Or is that JackDaniels? Jack Daniels? Vance.
You'Re thinking of Pete.
What do you think? Who do youthink is going to change first? Trump
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changing wives or JD Changing names?
JD Changes names more oftenthan he changes sofas, so I'm probably
gonna go there.
You know, hey, I'm curious.You know, Donald Trump is kind of
the. The working man'spresident, and, you know, he really
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loves the common people. Sohe's opening. He and his family are
opening a club called theExecutive Branch there in Washington
for ordinary people can joinfor a half a million dollars. Are
you planning on joining their.Their everyman club?
I don't know. I heard from afriend of mine, Stormy, that the
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Executive branch is actuallymore of a mushroom.
Ah, what the hell?
What the hell does that mean?
It's a euphemism. I would. Iwould say maybe after the interview,
you and Mo could talk about itand he could probably explain it
to you.
I might to draw a picture, butI think I can get it across.
That's a hard pass on that. Ithink I just figured it out that
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hard. Well, Jack, so what's.What is your main issue in Congress
these days? And. And thensecondly, do you think the big beautiful
bill is actually going to passthe Senate?
Well, I would say the biggest.I would at first. I do think the.
(22:13):
The big beautiful bill will.Will pass the Senate. I. I definitely.
Do you think.
Do you think Trump will sign it?
Oh, for sure, if. Yeah, hejust. You just got to point that
guy in the right direction. I,I have heard that. That Susan Collins
is concerned, but I thinkshe'll come around. And in terms
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of what I'm working on rightnow, the biggest issue I think the
American people are facing isa lot of. A lot of issues with naming
stuff. I really. I really amoffended every time I look at the
US Map And I see New Mexico. Iwould like to change that to New
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America.
Okay.
I, I think that I can, I canget the support.
What about California? Shouldwe rename that to something Kimball.
Fornia Has a nice ring to it.
Yeah.
But, yeah, for now we can keepit. But yeah, Kimball Fornia I would
like to eventually have.
Okay, so let's, let's talk bigpicture here. What? Are you sure
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that Trump's gonna sign thatbill? You know, he's, he tends to
negotiate with himself andargue with himself quite a bit and,
you know, you sure that big,beautiful bill wasn't just one misdirection
on his part? Big misdirection.And he's actually gonna maybe do
something for the poor peoplein this country or pokes that need
a little bit of help?
No, I think, I think he willsign it. And then if he can sign
(23:38):
it and it is as disastrous assome people think it will be, then
if he does run for reelectionin 2028, he can run against it.
That's true.
Well, that's, that's great.That's like fifth dimensional chess
when everybody else is playing.
He's playing like 13thdimensional. Were you hungry there?
13 dimensions and hungryhungry hippos. It's a Parker brothers
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game.
Okay. All right, so, so youthink he'll sign it and then run
against it in 28?
Yeah, that, I think, is the plan.
Because it'll be too. It wasthe liberals. He was forced into
signing it by the liberals.Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Okay,
over to you, Mo. I think.
Well, yeah, I know, I know yougave him high marks for his, his
(24:22):
brilliant. The. He. Herepealed Biden's executive order
on prescription drug cost, andthen he signed an executive order
that was exactly like Biden's.And I mean, you got to admit that
that's, that's strategic.
Oh, it totally is. And I thinkthat's just part of the art of the
deal. You know, what happensis what, what, what you want to let
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your opponents know is if thisis what we're willing to do to executive
orders we agree with, justthink what we'll do if we don't agree
with it.
What's your take on the. Inthe, in the big beautiful builders.
A provision that essentiallystrips the judiciary of any ability
to enforce. You know, if, ifthe executive branch. The president.
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Pete Hed, Seth, you know, takeyour pick. If they break the law
in the court holds them incontempt. The bill strips the courts
of any power to enforce theirorders, which, which seemed to kind
of contradict this notion ofseparation of powers. But how do
you feel about it?
I feel that the main purposewhen our founding fathers created
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judicialism, you know, 200years ago or so, I think that the
reason was they didn't wantjudges to get in the way of the president.
And what better way to getthem out than to have. The branch
I'm in. I can't think of thename right now. The branch I'm in.
The legislative Jack.
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Thank you. Legislative branch.
Have you been drinking this morning?
No. I haven't even seen Peteyet. You guys. You guys, how. How
up are you on 90s music?
Because, well, I went tocollege during the late 80s and early.
Have you ever heard he drinksa whiskey drink? He drinks a vodka
(26:18):
drink.
Yes. Yeah.
Okay. That's Pete's Tuesdaylunch order.
Okay.
So I was just. Yeah, I'll.I'll be catching up with Pete later.
We usually see.
I thought he stopped drinking.
Technically, he did.
Why are you laughing?
Well, he did stop drinkingthat day, but another day. We. We
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generally like to.
It's all about semantics with Pete.
We. He's not asymmetric. No.Well, we like to go out with Judge
Pirro.
Yeah. She's a big cruiser.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Her first move is asAttorney General for. Or not Attorney
General, this.
U.S. attorney.
U.S. attorney. Thank you. Was to.
(27:05):
I think he's been drinking.
Yeah. It was to keep the. Thebars open until 8:30am so.
Well, and you can thank oursenator from here in North Carolina,
Tom Tillis, for us havingJudge Box of wine as the U.S. attorney.
Because, you know, he killed.He. He killed the. The first nominee
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off. And so in place of. Ofthat, you know, incompetent person,
we get Judge Box of wine to beU.S. attorney for the District of
Columbia. So you got PeteHedge, Seth on. On one end of the
Ellipse, and you got Judge Boxof One on the other.
Yeah. But here's the thing.Hegseth is going to save the military,
(27:49):
well, so much money just byrecycling bottles. And I think people
underestimate that.
You don't think they recycleright now?
No, there's just more bottlesto recycle.
Oh, I see. I see. So thevolume of beer bottles and alcohol
bottles, I assume, Right, Iswhat you're talking about. So listen,
I do have a serious question,though. If. If you know what, what
(28:13):
would be your choice? Would itbe Kristi Noem or Judge Pirro?
Well, that's a. That's a toughone. I was involved with. With Christine
Ohm. Briefly. Right.
Are you serious? We'rebreaking more news. I saw that she
and. She and that knuckleheadfrom New Hampshire, what's his name?
(28:34):
Corey Lewandowski.
Yeah. Lewandowski was with herover the weekend. Did you know that?
Right. I was between Lewandowskis.
Dating Lewandowski's wife.
No, no.
That would be awkward.
Got married. But I was afterthe first aff. Well, you're not supposed
to talk about it that way.After her first business arrangement
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with Corey and before hersecond with Corey, so.
Oh, I see what you're saying.I see what you're saying.
Yeah. I think that. I thinkit's tough because, I mean, Judge
Piro drinks so much that youcan't even feel your face, which
is probably good if you'regoing to be around Christie.
Yeah.
So it's kind of, you know,it's a. It's kind of like a team
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act, I guess.
Yeah. And did she dress up.Would she dress up when you guys
were together in one of herfamous outfits?
Oh, yeah.
She must have closet uponcloset of. Of cosplay.
Well, that's one of thethings. Do you know that her department
is only paid 40% from our tax dollars?
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I didn't know that. Congress.
50% comes from a sponsorshipfrom Spirit Halloween.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
That's a lot. That's a bigsponsorship, dude.
They have a lot of. They havea lot of.
Is that how. Where would wefind that budget, I wonder?
Probably Mar a Lago bathroom.
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay,I guess over to you, maybe for one
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more mo. Or are you done withthis guy?
Yeah. No, no. Let me. Well, Iguess we could. I guess our. Our
listeners have probablyfigured out by this point that Representative
Kimball could potentially be afictional character. And so I wanted
to ask, in real life, are yousurprised at how often people pick
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up your stuff and. And runwith it?
I. I'm only a little bitsurprised. It's always happened.
I guess I first kind of cameto prominence, if you want to call
it that, back in 2010 whenJonathan Capehart did a story about
me. I said that Bush hadmanaged to fight two wars without
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any, you know, without anyexpenditures because he kept them
off the books. But nowadays,people are so angry. I'll post really,
really obvious stuff and. Andpeople will just fly off the handle
really quick. I have somestuff which I know is really, like,
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if you don't look reallycarefully, this is. This. You know,
you might fall for it. But Ipost some stuff which are. Which
are like, so over the top. I,I just did one the other day where,
if you've ever seen thatpicture from Trump's first term of
the guy with the big sign thatsays, like, get a brain Moran.
Yeah, that one you're talking about.
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I said we were, we wereboycotting Harvard and I used the
picture of him and I would say20 to 30% took it seriously. And
I'm like, that is such an oldand famous picture, you know.
Yeah, well, you know, some ofyour stuff really is subtle, but
some, some of it's so over thetop that. Yeah, some, some are so
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over the top that, you know,you just have to question, you know,
whether the person that takesit seriously, whether they've been.
Drinking, you know, and my, myfavorite is like, there was one I
posted a, a couple weeks agowhere the first two lines are about
how the tariffs are going tobe good and help us, and the third
line is just so over the top.And I just noticed how many people,
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like, angrily replied beforethey got to the third line. It's
like 280 characters. That's alot of reading. I don't have a bookmark.
I'm just going to do the firstline and give you my gut instinct,
you know.
Yeah, well, you and I havesomething in common. Back in, in
2014, there was. Obama got abunch of criticism. General Harold
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Green was the highest rankingUS Military officer killed during
the war in Afghanistan. And hecaught a bunch of grief for not going
to General Green's funeral inAugust of 2014. And, you know, the
right wing was just, you know,going nuts, how disrespectful it
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was. And so I, I put out atweet saying, yes, you know, it's,
it's shame that PresidentObama broke the tradition set by
President Nixon and PresidentBush. And I named a couple of generals
that had been killed duringVietnam and the Iraq War and said
that, you know, they hadhonorably attended those funerals
and President Obama, you know,broke tradition and people just ran
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with it. But there's, there'sa journalist guy named Byron York,
is a writer for the Washingtonexaminer, and he ran with it. And
then a couple days later, Igot a text message from Byron York
going, where is there anyauthority that, you know, for. About
Nixon and Bush going to thosefunerals? And I said, hell, no, there's
not. You know, I just, I putit out there just to see, you know,
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show how gullible people arethat, you know, if you're looking,
you know, they could havetaken 30 seconds and googled what
I had written and seen that itwas bullshit, but it supported the
narrative that they wantedthat Obama was a jerk. And so they
just ran with it. So it endedup with a second article by Byron
York. I think the title was.You can't trust anything that Colonel
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Davis says.
You know, where I got the ideafor, for Jack Kimball actually was
my sister graduated from NotreDame, got her masters from Notre
Dame in 1985, I want to saymight be wrong on here. And they
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were giving the, the honorarydegree that year to Duarte, the dictator
of El Salvador. And then whenObama went to speak at Notre Dame
back in like 2008, there wereall these articles from the right
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wing about, this is such adisgrace to Notre Dame. This is the
most immoral person ever tospeak at Notre Dame. And I'm like,
okay, you might be able tomake a case that General Sherman
might have delayed, might haveshortened the war or something. But
like, there were so manypeople in that, like, Notre Dame
list. Like, okay, okay, he'sgot death squads. He wore a tan suit.
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These really aren'tcomparable. And so I did a, an op
ed, you know, because I, I hada satirical right wing blog already
called that's right, Nate andJack started as a character on that
blog. And it was to criticizethe, or make fun of the right wingers
who were saying, like, youknow, you know, this about Obama
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when it happened that long agothat they had an El Salvadorian dictator
with death squads.
So, yeah, hey, yeah, I knowyou. You recently, you were a career
educator and recently retired.
Right?
I'm just, I'm just curious,what are your thoughts on, you know,
the, the Republicans areslashing everything. And certainly,
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you know, here where David andI live in the mountains of North
Carolina, the Medicaid cutsare going to be, you know, bad for
tens of thousands of people.But I'm curious as a, as a professional
educator, what, what's yourtake on these cuts to education and
getting rid of the Departmentof Education?
So first off, in terms ofeducational philosophy, the department
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really is not very important.It doesn't really make it down to
the states and it certainlydoesn't make it down to the schools.
And I will say, as crazy asBetsy DeVos was, Arne Duncan was
actually a worse Secretary ofEducation because nobody pushed privatization
as much as he did. However, Itaught at a school with a ton of
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Title 1 students. We were aTitle 1 school. We got a big chunk
of money we needed for extraresources for students who needed
extra resource and that's just.
And for folks, Title 1 isfunding for, for low income, impoverished
students.
And that's, I mean I was in anurban school, but there's rural schools
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that are, are hit really hardwith this too. Ieps, you know, things
for students with specialneeds. There are just so many, so
many things, you know, thatthat department does. And I, I guarantee
that's going to get, you know,lost and lost. And I, you know, I
don't. I think there's goingto be some major funding changes
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with public education that arenot good. But I've always felt that
with education, what they'vealways wanted to do is find a, find
a way to make the publiceducation as poor as possible and
then allow tax money to go toprivate schools and charter schools
too, which charter schoolsalready get money. But that's a little
complicated private schoolsto, you know, with vou. With vouchers
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and stuff to, you know, sothat they, they can put their hand
just kind like they do with,with, with insurance so they can
kind of put their, you know,put their hand in that tax money
and grab some.
Well, they're doing the samething too. I'm, I'm a, you know,
veteran. I go to the VAhospital for health care. And they've
been trying to find a way to,to profitize the va. And it seems
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like that's always the angleis how can we, how can our rich donors
make a buck off of this ratherthan performing the mission that
the agency is intended for?But I'm curious too. There's been
this, I know like ourcongressman here, Chuck Edwards,
and I'm running against, putout a thing. There's Teacher Appreciation
Day recently and he put out athing praising teachers. And then
like two or three days laterthere's a piece on how a public education
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are nothing but liberalindoctrination centers. So to me
it's appalling this, thisdemonization of public education
and public school teachers.I'm just curious what, you know,
you were there in thetrenches. What, what's like morale
and what's it like being apublic teacher nowadays?
It's, it's not good. I mean, Idid it about 25 years and people
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like to point to like Covid.Everything changed with COVID But
honestly, it had started maybetwo or three years before COVID where
it feels like again, how do,how do donors get money? You know,
you know, every. We're beingtold everything we can teach where
the, the, the, you know,everything we went to school for
has become kind of Useless.It's all babysitting now, and it's
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all about, you know,bureaucracy, and it just. Yeah, the
teaching part, I've alwaysloved the students, and I always,
you know, my best. My favoritepart now is, you know, because I
was teaching 25 years ago, somany of my old students have found
me and let me know, hey, youreally made a difference. And that.
That's great because, youknow, you plant. You plant. You know,
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you're. You know, you. Youknow, plant something, and. And you
get to see that it actuallygrew into something pretty cool.
But, yeah, teacher morale is.Is really low. And that's. It's one
of the things. They've beendemonizing it so long that not only
are people trying to get out,but nobody's going into it, and they're
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constantly trying to find waysthey can use computers to shove,
like, 50 people in theclassroom so that they don't need
as many teachers.
Well, I have a lot of respectfor educators and everything you're
doing for those kids. What.Can we slip back in character for
a second, if you don't mind,and ask Jack Kimball to come back?
Jack, what would be youradvice to Mo Davis on how to beat
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a fellow Republican and putyou in the minority? To my friend
Mo, difficult question.
So, Mo, am I mistake? Am I notmistaken? You're a colonel?
I was. I'm retired.
Okay. You got a white beard,white mustache, white hair. You're
a colonel. You're running foroffice in. In the South. To me, one
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of my heroes was a man namedColonel Sanders. I would try and
orient my campaign. I'm notsaying I'm Colonel Sanders, but I'm
not saying I'm not Colonel Sanders.
Ah. Isn't he dead?
That's why you're not sayingyou are Colonel Sanders.
Oh, God.
I mean, let's be honest. RFK.I mean, JFK Jr. Is dead.
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Yeah.
And they were using him forhow many years before they said I'd
use RFK Jr. I guess.
Oh, well, I'm not followingyou, so.
Oh, I just said Trump wasrunning with it with a dead person
as support, so there's no.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Wow. I think we need to put a.Put this to an end, Mo.
All right.
So, Representative. Sorry, Mo,did you have anything else?
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I didn't. I'm just trying totake notes on that political advice.
So. Yeah, I'm not sure. Allthat money. All that money I'm spending
on consultants, I'm. I'mgetting it for. For a year.
Well, I. And And I, it mightbe the Castanza rule on that one
where you do the opposite ofwhat they tell you to do. But. So,
Representative Kimball, wherecan folks learn a little bit more
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about you?
Well, I have my JackKimball.com page which definitely
needs to be updated. I am Rep.Jack Kimble on Twitter and I am same
name on Blue Sky. I think Ispend more time on Twitter because
there are more Republicancrazies over there. And so my people.
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Yeah. And yeah, I definitelywill have, you know, I've got, as
I said, I've actually got twobooks out. I also have profiles and
Courageousness which came outa long time ago. And I'll continue
writing. I'm actually, I'mactually just starting now to try
to get into stand up. So.
Yeah, well, I'm not sure thatwe care about that. So, Jack Kimball.com
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K I M B L E. Correct. Are yourunning for reelection?
Yeah, always.
Otherwise I have to takebribes or does it have to be FEC
approved money?
I've never been convicted ofanything. Indictments are not convictions.
That's true. That's true.Yeah. And. And he was, he was almost
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16, right?
Almost.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right. Anything to add, Mo?
No, I'm in another fascinating 40.
This has been a terrific waste.
Yeah. Bye.
of my morning. Nothingpersonal. Oh, is he still on here?
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
And if, all right.
You know, if.
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I think you're probably theworst guest we've ever had, to be
honest with you.
I had any serious work to do.
No, you're kind of an so I'venever called anybody an on this show,
at least while we were live.And I think you're one of them, but.
All right. Well, that's a wrapon this week's Muck you where we
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dug deep into the politicaldirt. It came out swinging, mostly
huge thanks to our guest, JackKimball, the quote congressman, end
quote, from California forbringing laughs, sharp takes on and
the absurdity of it all. Jack,you're a legend. Thanks for joining
us. You'll never be back.Yeah, well, that's true. Please follow
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us on Blue sky at AmericanMuckrakers and learn more and donate@AmericanMutrakers.com
on behalf of my co host andthe next Congressman from North Carolina
11, a real guy, Colonel MoDavis. Stay sharp, stay loud and
keep shoveling. And if aTrumper bothers you, remember to
remind them. Muck you.
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This has been Muck you cohosted by Colonel Moe Davis in Asheville,
North Carolina and DavidWheeler in Spruce Pine, North Carolina.
Thanks to our guest today,Congressman Jack Kimball, not really
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Mo Hope y' all come back soonfor a new episode. And remember to
never take shit from anyone,especially Trumpers.
Welcome to Muck you thepodcast that rips through the BS
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next congressman for NC 11,Colonel Mo Davis. Grab a shovel and
let's dig into the muck on MucU. Take it away, Colonel.
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Well, thanks David. Mr.Pleasure to be back with everyone
on a kind of a cool and cloudyday here in western North Carolina,
but continuing with ourtradition. Got another great guest
today and, and one I'm I'msure you're going to find interesting.
We've got RepublicanRepresentative Jack Kimball. He's
representative of California's54th congressional district. And
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I'm sure all the listeners onhere know that the California's 54th
congressional district isprobably the most diverse district
in California. Extends all theway from the Sierra Nevada mountains
down to the coast and itincludes the largest, largest yoga
institute in America and alsoone of the largest militia movements.
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So it really is just a verydiverse district to represent. Representative
Kimball is also a best sellingauthor. He's got a book out called
Detective Jesus, Thou ShaltNot Kill in which he tries to relate
to young people and, and toconvert them over by portraying Jesus
as a Chicago police detectivein the 1970s. So Representative Kimball,
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thank you so much for takingtime out of your I know busy schedule
up in Washington to, to joinus today.
Thanks. It's actually, andyou'll find you might find this out
yourself. It's actually notthat busy. Everything is executive
order now. So I have anotherSettlers of Catan game. We have a
big tournament going coming uplater this afternoon, but otherwise
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I'm pretty much just sittingback. The big beautiful bill is in
the Senate now, so we don'treally have to worry about that anymore.
And I'm not renaming anythingfor another couple of weeks.
All right, well listen, I knowyou're on the, on the far end of
the conservative scale, so I'mwondering, does it bother you that,
that you and your colleaguesare collecting federal salaries when
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as you said, the being run byexecutive order rather than Congress
actually doing anything.
As you mentioned before, wehave the, the basically largest yoga
institute in my district andas a result, even though I, I really
worry that it's a slipperyslope, I am familiar with a lot of
Zen thought and I believesometimes the man who does the most
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is actually the man who doesthe least.
You know that that makes,makes eminent sense and, you know,
I guess I, I first becamefamiliar with you, I guess not quite
a year ago, is back in June of2024 when Reuters had a, had a. Quoted
you and it was your commentsabout your view that the Trump trial
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was unfair. And I'm just,Could you explain to our listeners
why, why you thought it was unfair?
So, as you know, in our jurysystem, in our legal system, every
person should have a right, aslong as the president agrees with
this, to make their case ofwhy they are innocent. And I thought
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Trump did so beautifully.Unfortunately, during the trial,
as he is trying to prove hisinnocence, there's a whole nother
set of lawyers trying to provehe's guilty, which to me seems like
legal interference.
Well, yeah, I agree. I'm anattorney, and I've never really understood
how that works either, and howanyone can consider that to be a
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fair system. But I, I saw whatyou, you were quoted in the Chinese
media, and they were kind oftook offense to some of the things
that you, you said that yousaid, you know, kind of screw China.
If they don't want to buyAmerican beef, then we'll sell it
to India. Have you been ableto resolve the tensions with, with
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China over your comments?
I have not. However, Iunderstand it was a negative commentary,
but what I found is if youtranslate it back into English, comes
up a lot more positive. So I'mhoping to kind of use it as some
kind of a press release.
Yeah. You're also quoted inthe European media when there was
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a cyber attack on X and, andon Elon. And you were quoted in that
piece along with other membersof, of Congress, I think it was.
Representative Don Bacon,Senator Mark Kelly and yourself were
all quoted in the article. Sowhat was your take on that cyber
attack on Elon and on X?
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Well, I was worried you weregoing to talk about the El Salvador
situation because I got quotedwith that one, too. The, the attack
on X. I just think that nobodywants these kind of attacks. I think
they're really bad forbusiness, they're bad for, for cyber
security. And I think it's upto Elon to give these attackers a
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portion of X now so that wecan have peace.
Well, Representative Kimball,it's a pleasure to, to meet you.
I've been following you on X.I don't really understand you most
of the time, but. What's that?
I don't either. It's okay.
All right. Well, you know thatIndia is full of Hindus that don't
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eat beef, right?
Right.
So why would, why would yousuggest that we move our China exports
to India. Isn't that kind of astupid, stupid suggestion?
This is typical liberalthinking. Yeah. There's a lot of
Hindus in India, and yes, theydon't eat beef right now because,
you know, their own, you know,religious and cultural reasons. However,
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they did not get all thosebeef commercials that we did in the
80s. India is a world, whatthey call a growth market. I think
we have a lot. You know, ifyou noticed how popular, like, Yellowstone
is, we've got.
Yeah, yeah, I loved. I lovethat show.
Yeah, we've got, like, a lotof rancher actors who are getting
famous now. They can certainlybe doing the, hey, beef, it's what's
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for dinner India kind of thing.
And Kevin Costner isn't partof that show anymore, though.
I know, but it's kind of leftyanyway. But still, we could. We could
be really marketing them.India isn't ready for. For Madison
Avenue. India isn't ready forLeo Burnett India. I. I guarantee
we can convince those people.Yeah, you know, the religion. I mean,
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look. Look how many tenants ofChristianity we've managed to strip
from Christianity. You don'tthink we can't strip not eating beef
from Hinduism?
Yeah. Well, you ought tolegislate it, actually. You know,
you ever thought about that?
It's tricky because it'sanother country.
Well, that doesn't stop usanywhere else, does it?
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No, but unfortunately, sinceit's another country, only the president
can actually legislate that.
Oh, that's true. I hadn'tthought about it that way. So listen,
let's switch gears a littlebit here. Sex and rock and roll,
maybe. So one of our favoritemembers of Congress is Lauren Boebert.
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We call her Beetlejuice Bobertbecause we're all. Now the. The big
rumor is that you guys gotsomething going down. What's the.
What's the truth there? Comeon now.
No, I mean, this is just partof working together and collaborating.
Lauren is very hands on. Andbecause of that, we've worked very
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closely. And, you know, Idon't see any reason, you know, this
has to be all theatrical. It'sjust, you know, working kind of.
Well, how do you feel about.Is. Do you think she's a liberal
lover or a conservative lover?
I think she's very much. Sheused to definitely be. Be further
right. But now that she's agreat grandmother, I think she's
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much more down the middle.
She's a great grandmother? Ithought she was just a grandmother.
Well, but she's great at It.
According to whom?
If you notice, none of herfamily's been arrested in like the
last three or four months.
That's true. That's true. Godprobably planted that seed in their
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heads, right?
Definitely. She's definitelymellowing. And I like to think the
rest of the family has alsomeld. Or at least got pants that
are harder to remove.
Yeah, right. Have you. Haveyou ever met her mother? Her mother
claims to be quite the lover too.
You know, I really have beenadvised not to talk about any meetings
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with her mother. So you've hadmeetings again? Legal counsel has
said I really should not betalking about that.
What's that? Are you her. Areyou Lauren's father?
I can't. I can't say why atlegal. Legally, this could. There
could be repercussions.
Well, we don't do here. Ifyou're just gonna backpedal like
a typical Republican, then whyare we even having this conversation?
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I might possibly be her father.
See, I knew I'd get the truthout of you.
Jack, the list is huge.
Yeah. All right, what about.What about this other knucklehead
that Mo ran against? And Ithink Mo actually won that election
because I think it was rigged.And he. He should be in Congress
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right now, but he ran againstthis face humping guy, Madison Cawthorn.
Have you ever been involved ina face humping with Cawthorn?
No, I mostly know Madisonthrough his videos.
Right.
Instead of, you know. But Iwill say that he. He definitely is
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an outside the box thinker.
That's true. That's true.
Have you.
Have you ever wished you couldface up him or he face up you?
No, but that's. I mean, that'sjust kind of the luck of where the
keys go, you know, everybody.
What does that mean?
Oh, well, when we. Whenever wehave a caucus, generally there's
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a dish up at the front of ofthe room. We put our keys in there
and.
You know, I saw that movie.That was pretty good.
Yeah, it just depends whosekeys you got. Really?
Yeah.
So what it.
So seriously, what. How abouta threesome with Cawthorne and Bobert?
Who would be the third?
You.
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Oh, okay. No, just because of.Of, you know, the possibility that
Lauren might be my offspring.I wouldn't want to do. That's true.
I'd forgotten about that. Iapologize, Congressman. That was
completely out of order. Weshould take down those words. Probably.
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Wow, that just occurred to methat I would be a great grandfather.
Probably. Okay, Mo, I'm goingto take a little break here and Send
it back to you.
All right. Well, CongressmanKimball, I'm curious about your.
Your book, Detective Jesus,Thou Shalt Not Kill. What was your
inspiration for that?
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It's. It's actually DetectiveJesus Number one. Thou. Thou Shalt
Not Kill. There. There may bea sequel coming up. So I guess what
happened is I was eatingbreakfast, and it was one of those
bizarre things where you'retoasting bread and you take the bread
out of the toaster and youlook at it and you can't deny it.
(11:55):
It. It's Jesus's image on thetoast. And at that same time, I was
watching a rerun on UTV ofMannix. They have both Manix and
Canon, at least they used toearly in the morning, which was.
Which is great. So I'mwatching Mannix, and I'm seeing this
image of Jesus on my toast.And as I take a bite, I'm thinking,
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Jesus and Mannix. You couldreally combine those two and tell
a riveting story. I like tothink it's the third greatest story
ever told, actually. And inthis particular, you know, book,
I tried to do a lot of thetropes of the great 70s and 80s detectives.
So, for instance, his, youknow, commanding officers. Lieutenant,
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who's by the book. Well, who'smore by the book in the Bible than
Pontius Pilate? So his. Hislieutenant is actually a descendant
of Pontius Pilate, which Ithink really kind of helps to center
everything biblically.
And you said they're thesequel of any, you know, give the.
The audience any. Any hints onwhen you think that might be.
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I'm not. I'm not really sure.I'm. I'm currently working on a book
about FDR running in the 1936Olympics, but called President Lightning.
Jack. He was in a wheelchair.
Okay.
It's not appropriate.
FDR had what they. Everybodythinks FDR had polio. He. He had
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Guillain Barre Syndrome. Andthat gives you weakened reflexes.
Well, a lot of people don'tknow. Herbert Hoover was actually
very into physical fitness andphysical therapy. He invented a sport
called Hoover Ball, which wasbasically volleyball with a medicine
ball, which I don't know howthere aren't a lot of broken wrists.
They still play it at theHoover Presidential Library. They
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have a tournament every year.Well, Herbert Hoover develops a way
to give a human superhumanreflexes. Unfortunately, no normal
person could take it. Butbecause GU Syndrome, I think Named
after. I'm not sure who that'snamed after, but what it did was
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with his weakened reflexes, itjust Made him one of the fastest
men alive.
Wow. Hey, I'm. I'm curioustoo. I, I've been reading where there's
a bidding war between MartinScorsese and Tyler Perry for movie
rights to Detective Jesus.There's any update on, on how that's
going?
Actually, I had hoped for atelevision show originally.
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More money in movies, though,isn't there?
Well, I think, I think Jesus,you know, as a detective, just works
better in an episodic format.David Simon, who did the Wire, liked
a lot of it, but his problemwas he just didn't understand why
Jesus couldn't just revive thevictim from the dead and ask him
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who killed him.
And that is a conundrum.
I really didn't have ananswer, so I'm kind of working on
figuring out why, and then I'mgoing to probably repitch it.
Well, so you caught some griefin USA Today last year when you had
commented on the vicepresidential debate between J.D.
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vance.
I thought it was perfectlyvalid criticism. I mean, everybody
was ready to, like, declarethat, you know, oh, Wal. Did, you
know, was, you know, didgreat. And, and, and I, I just thought
it was perfectly validcriticism. I thought. J.D.
Hey.
Hey.
Representative Kimble.
Yes. Yeah.
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Could you please notinterrupt? I know you were Republican.
You guys think you can dothat? Kind of, but I think Mo had
a question.
Well, I'm not, I didn'trealize there's.
A question and all of that.I'm sorry.
Yeah, well, you're, you're,you're. Your critique of the debate
came out 12 hours before the debate.
Well, Twitter lets you preload questions. You can post them
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to come out at a later time.
That's odd.
And I've been doing that allseason with like, the White Sox,
who are a baseball team Iquite like, you know, and, and no
one criticized me for it. I,you know, I'd say hard law, hard
loss. And, you know, the gamemight not have started yet, and nobody
had a problem with that. Butall of a sudden, when it's my job,
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people don't like you giving,you know, your feedback on the debate
before it's happened.
Well, yeah, probably becauseit's a long, boring answer like you
just gave a second ago.
But.
So back to. Back to Congress,who is your favorite, favorite member
of the House these days?
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There's so many. It's reallyhard. I liked, you know, I liked
Matt Gates a lot. I hate tosee him go. I would, I would probably
say Marjorie. Marjorie TaylorGreene Ritos.
What do you call it?
What's Your nickname for her,the Distinguished lady.
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Yeah, yeah. What'sdistinguishing about her mostly?
The, the way she carriesherself. She. He always is class,
which is a nice quality. We,we were on a really, really. We were
on a. We were on a flight backtogether going west from Washington,
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and I was stopping off inDenver. So we were on the same flight
and we were supposed to be on.We were supposed to be on first class.
And unfortunately there was aproblem. We both wound up in coach
and Marjorie was really,really irate and, you know, the stewardess
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tried to talk to her and hadproblems. And finally the co pilot
goes back and the co pilotexplained to her that the coach was.
Was going to be going toDenver, but first class would actually
be going to New York. And shewas able to handle it and said, okay,
well, at least coach is goingto get me where I want to go.
Yeah, that's verydistinguished. So what about Trump?
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Have you. I assume you and.And Donald are pretty good friends.
I wouldn't say good friends,but we're, we're definitely buds.
Yeah.
On the bud level.
And, and where is his wifethese days? Which one of our first
lady?
Which one?
Well, I thought there was justone Melania.
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The first Melania. Yeah, she'saround, very, very loving, but remember,
she's got a background as amodel, so, like, it's not unusual
that she wants to use her bestpictures, even if they were from
the first term.
Got it, Got it. But she's notreally playing a role as first lady,
a traditional role.
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She's not playing a role.
Ah, got it. Okay.
You know, do you know howmuch, how many actors would kill
to get paid as much perappearance as she does?
That's true. That's true. Sodo you think they're actually married
or. I saw some headlines acouple weeks ago that they're actually
separated.
You can be married and separated.
Well, like legally separated.They're not sharing a bedroom anymore.
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Well, the problem with sharinga bedroom is, you know, now it's
not so bad now that he'spresident, but remember, he had a
lot of files to store and.
True. And it makes for a lumpybed, huh?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. All right, so if you.Who are you going to support in the
next election for president?
I think the, the real questionis who's going to support me of the
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next candidates?
So you're, you're announcing?
No, I'm looking for bids. Iwould like a cabinet position. I
would like. If I can't get acabinet position, I want an ambassadorship
and not to one of those crappycountries. But I have run for president
before, and now if Donaldwants to step down, I certainly will
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consider doing it again.
Right. All right, well, here'san idea, Jack. Why don't you change
your name to Trump Donald andrun on that ticket?
That's not bad. That's notbad. You know, the only. The only
thing I worry about is if Ichange my name and run on the ballot
and JD Runs on the ballot, wedon't know what name he'll be using
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this time.
It's true.
And this could really confuse people.
Well, yeah, he's. What. Whatis the name he uses these days?
JD Or Ashley Furniture?
Oh, yeah. Or is that JackDaniels? Jack Daniels? Vance.
You'Re thinking of Pete.
What do you think? Who do youthink is going to change first? Trump
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changing wives or JD Changing names?
JD Changes names more oftenthan he changes sofas, so I'm probably
gonna go there.
You know, hey, I'm curious.You know, Donald Trump is kind of
the. The working man'spresident, and, you know, he really
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loves the common people. Sohe's opening. He and his family are
opening a club called theExecutive Branch there in Washington
for ordinary people can joinfor a half a million dollars. Are
you planning on joining their.Their everyman club?
I don't know. I heard from afriend of mine, Stormy, that the
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Executive branch is actuallymore of a mushroom.
Ah, what the hell?
What the hell does that mean?
It's a euphemism. I would. Iwould say maybe after the interview,
you and Mo could talk about itand he could probably explain it
to you.
I might to draw a picture, butI think I can get it across.
That's a hard pass on that. Ithink I just figured it out that
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hard. Well, Jack, so what's.What is your main issue in Congress
these days? And. And thensecondly, do you think the big beautiful
bill is actually going to passthe Senate?
Well, I would say the biggest.I would at first. I do think the.
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The big beautiful bill will.Will pass the Senate. I. I definitely.
Do you think.
Do you think Trump will sign it?
Oh, for sure, if. Yeah, hejust. You just got to point that
guy in the right direction. I,I have heard that. That Susan Collins
is concerned, but I thinkshe'll come around. And in terms
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of what I'm working on rightnow, the biggest issue I think the
American people are facing isa lot of. A lot of issues with naming
stuff. I really. I really amoffended every time I look at the
US Map And I see New Mexico. Iwould like to change that to New
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America.
Okay.
I, I think that I can, I canget the support.
What about California? Shouldwe rename that to something Kimball.
Fornia Has a nice ring to it.
Yeah.
But, yeah, for now we can keepit. But yeah, Kimball Fornia I would
like to eventually have.
Okay, so let's, let's talk bigpicture here. What? Are you sure
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that Trump's gonna sign thatbill? You know, he's, he tends to
negotiate with himself andargue with himself quite a bit and,
you know, you sure that big,beautiful bill wasn't just one misdirection
on his part? Big misdirection.And he's actually gonna maybe do
something for the poor peoplein this country or pokes that need
a little bit of help?
No, I think, I think he willsign it. And then if he can sign
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it and it is as disastrous assome people think it will be, then
if he does run for reelectionin 2028, he can run against it.
That's true.
Well, that's, that's great.That's like fifth dimensional chess
when everybody else is playing.
He's playing like 13thdimensional. Were you hungry there?
13 dimensions and hungryhungry hippos. It's a Parker brothers
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game.
Okay. All right, so, so youthink he'll sign it and then run
against it in 28?
Yeah, that, I think, is the plan.
Because it'll be too. It wasthe liberals. He was forced into
signing it by the liberals.Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Okay,
over to you, Mo. I think.
Well, yeah, I know, I know yougave him high marks for his, his
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brilliant. The. He. Herepealed Biden's executive order
on prescription drug cost, andthen he signed an executive order
that was exactly like Biden's.And I mean, you got to admit that
that's, that's strategic.
Oh, it totally is. And I thinkthat's just part of the art of the
deal. You know, what happensis what, what, what you want to let
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your opponents know is if thisis what we're willing to do to executive
orders we agree with, justthink what we'll do if we don't agree
with it.
What's your take on the. Inthe, in the big beautiful builders.
A provision that essentiallystrips the judiciary of any ability
to enforce. You know, if, ifthe executive branch. The president.
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Pete Hed, Seth, you know, takeyour pick. If they break the law
in the court holds them incontempt. The bill strips the courts
of any power to enforce theirorders, which, which seemed to kind
of contradict this notion ofseparation of powers. But how do
you feel about it?
I feel that the main purposewhen our founding fathers created
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judicialism, you know, 200years ago or so, I think that the
reason was they didn't wantjudges to get in the way of the president.
And what better way to getthem out than to have. The branch
I'm in. I can't think of thename right now. The branch I'm in.
The legislative Jack.
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Thank you. Legislative branch.
Have you been drinking this morning?
No. I haven't even seen Peteyet. You guys. You guys, how. How
up are you on 90s music?
Because, well, I went tocollege during the late 80s and early.
Have you ever heard he drinksa whiskey drink? He drinks a vodka
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drink.
Yes. Yeah.
Okay. That's Pete's Tuesdaylunch order.
Okay.
So I was just. Yeah, I'll.I'll be catching up with Pete later.
We usually see.
I thought he stopped drinking.
Technically, he did.
Why are you laughing?
Well, he did stop drinkingthat day, but another day. We. We
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generally like to.
It's all about semantics with Pete.
We. He's not asymmetric. No.Well, we like to go out with Judge
Pirro.
Yeah. She's a big cruiser.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Her first move is asAttorney General for. Or not Attorney
General, this.
U.S. attorney.
U.S. attorney. Thank you. Was to.
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I think he's been drinking.
Yeah. It was to keep the. Thebars open until 8:30am so.
Well, and you can thank oursenator from here in North Carolina,
Tom Tillis, for us havingJudge Box of wine as the U.S. attorney.
Because, you know, he killed.He. He killed the. The first nominee
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off. And so in place of. Ofthat, you know, incompetent person,
we get Judge Box of wine to beU.S. attorney for the District of
Columbia. So you got PeteHedge, Seth on. On one end of the
Ellipse, and you got Judge Boxof One on the other.
Yeah. But here's the thing.Hegseth is going to save the military,
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well, so much money just byrecycling bottles. And I think people
underestimate that.
You don't think they recycleright now?
No, there's just more bottlesto recycle.
Oh, I see. I see. So thevolume of beer bottles and alcohol
bottles, I assume, Right, Iswhat you're talking about. So listen,
I do have a serious question,though. If. If you know what, what
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would be your choice? Would itbe Kristi Noem or Judge Pirro?
Well, that's a. That's a toughone. I was involved with. With Christine
Ohm. Briefly. Right.
Are you serious? We'rebreaking more news. I saw that she
and. She and that knuckleheadfrom New Hampshire, what's his name?
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Corey Lewandowski.
Yeah. Lewandowski was with herover the weekend. Did you know that?
Right. I was between Lewandowskis.
Dating Lewandowski's wife.
No, no.
That would be awkward.
Got married. But I was afterthe first aff. Well, you're not supposed
to talk about it that way.After her first business arrangement
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with Corey and before hersecond with Corey, so.
Oh, I see what you're saying.I see what you're saying.
Yeah. I think that. I thinkit's tough because, I mean, Judge
Piro drinks so much that youcan't even feel your face, which
is probably good if you'regoing to be around Christie.
Yeah.
So it's kind of, you know,it's a. It's kind of like a team
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act, I guess.
Yeah. And did she dress up.Would she dress up when you guys
were together in one of herfamous outfits?
Oh, yeah.
She must have closet uponcloset of. Of cosplay.
Well, that's one of thethings. Do you know that her department
is only paid 40% from our tax dollars?
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I didn't know that. Congress.
50% comes from a sponsorshipfrom Spirit Halloween.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
That's a lot. That's a bigsponsorship, dude.
They have a lot of. They havea lot of.
Is that how. Where would wefind that budget, I wonder?
Probably Mar a Lago bathroom.
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay,I guess over to you, maybe for one
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more mo. Or are you done withthis guy?
Yeah. No, no. Let me. Well, Iguess we could. I guess our. Our
listeners have probablyfigured out by this point that Representative
Kimball could potentially be afictional character. And so I wanted
to ask, in real life, are yousurprised at how often people pick
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up your stuff and. And runwith it?
I. I'm only a little bitsurprised. It's always happened.
I guess I first kind of cameto prominence, if you want to call
it that, back in 2010 whenJonathan Capehart did a story about
me. I said that Bush hadmanaged to fight two wars without
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any, you know, without anyexpenditures because he kept them
off the books. But nowadays,people are so angry. I'll post really,
really obvious stuff and. Andpeople will just fly off the handle
really quick. I have somestuff which I know is really, like,
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if you don't look reallycarefully, this is. This. You know,
you might fall for it. But Ipost some stuff which are. Which
are like, so over the top. I,I just did one the other day where,
if you've ever seen thatpicture from Trump's first term of
the guy with the big sign thatsays, like, get a brain Moran.
Yeah, that one you're talking about.
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I said we were, we wereboycotting Harvard and I used the
picture of him and I would say20 to 30% took it seriously. And
I'm like, that is such an oldand famous picture, you know.
Yeah, well, you know, some ofyour stuff really is subtle, but
some, some of it's so over thetop that. Yeah, some, some are so
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over the top that, you know,you just have to question, you know,
whether the person that takesit seriously, whether they've been.
Drinking, you know, and my, myfavorite is like, there was one I
posted a, a couple weeks agowhere the first two lines are about
how the tariffs are going tobe good and help us, and the third
line is just so over the top.And I just noticed how many people,
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like, angrily replied beforethey got to the third line. It's
like 280 characters. That's alot of reading. I don't have a bookmark.
I'm just going to do the firstline and give you my gut instinct,
you know.
Yeah, well, you and I havesomething in common. Back in, in
2014, there was. Obama got abunch of criticism. General Harold
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Green was the highest rankingUS Military officer killed during
the war in Afghanistan. And hecaught a bunch of grief for not going
to General Green's funeral inAugust of 2014. And, you know, the
right wing was just, you know,going nuts, how disrespectful it
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was. And so I, I put out atweet saying, yes, you know, it's,
it's shame that PresidentObama broke the tradition set by
President Nixon and PresidentBush. And I named a couple of generals
that had been killed duringVietnam and the Iraq War and said
that, you know, they hadhonorably attended those funerals
and President Obama, you know,broke tradition and people just ran
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with it. But there's, there'sa journalist guy named Byron York,
is a writer for the Washingtonexaminer, and he ran with it. And
then a couple days later, Igot a text message from Byron York
going, where is there anyauthority that, you know, for. About
Nixon and Bush going to thosefunerals? And I said, hell, no, there's
not. You know, I just, I putit out there just to see, you know,
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show how gullible people arethat, you know, if you're looking,
you know, they could havetaken 30 seconds and googled what
I had written and seen that itwas bullshit, but it supported the
narrative that they wantedthat Obama was a jerk. And so they
just ran with it. So it endedup with a second article by Byron
York. I think the title was.You can't trust anything that Colonel
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Davis says.
You know, where I got the ideafor, for Jack Kimball actually was
my sister graduated from NotreDame, got her masters from Notre
Dame in 1985, I want to saymight be wrong on here. And they
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were giving the, the honorarydegree that year to Duarte, the dictator
of El Salvador. And then whenObama went to speak at Notre Dame
back in like 2008, there wereall these articles from the right
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wing about, this is such adisgrace to Notre Dame. This is the
most immoral person ever tospeak at Notre Dame. And I'm like,
okay, you might be able tomake a case that General Sherman
might have delayed, might haveshortened the war or something. But
like, there were so manypeople in that, like, Notre Dame
list. Like, okay, okay, he'sgot death squads. He wore a tan suit.
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These really aren'tcomparable. And so I did a, an op
ed, you know, because I, I hada satirical right wing blog already
called that's right, Nate andJack started as a character on that
blog. And it was to criticizethe, or make fun of the right wingers
who were saying, like, youknow, you know, this about Obama
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when it happened that long agothat they had an El Salvadorian dictator
with death squads.
So, yeah, hey, yeah, I knowyou. You recently, you were a career
educator and recently retired.
Right?
I'm just, I'm just curious,what are your thoughts on, you know,
the, the Republicans areslashing everything. And certainly,
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you know, here where David andI live in the mountains of North
Carolina, the Medicaid cutsare going to be, you know, bad for
tens of thousands of people.But I'm curious as a, as a professional
educator, what, what's yourtake on these cuts to education and
getting rid of the Departmentof Education?
So first off, in terms ofeducational philosophy, the department
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really is not very important.It doesn't really make it down to
the states and it certainlydoesn't make it down to the schools.
And I will say, as crazy asBetsy DeVos was, Arne Duncan was
actually a worse Secretary ofEducation because nobody pushed privatization
as much as he did. However, Itaught at a school with a ton of
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Title 1 students. We were aTitle 1 school. We got a big chunk
of money we needed for extraresources for students who needed
extra resource and that's just.
And for folks, Title 1 isfunding for, for low income, impoverished
students.
And that's, I mean I was in anurban school, but there's rural schools
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that are, are hit really hardwith this too. Ieps, you know, things
for students with specialneeds. There are just so many, so
many things, you know, thatthat department does. And I, I guarantee
that's going to get, you know,lost and lost. And I, you know, I
don't. I think there's goingto be some major funding changes
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with public education that arenot good. But I've always felt that
with education, what they'vealways wanted to do is find a, find
a way to make the publiceducation as poor as possible and
then allow tax money to go toprivate schools and charter schools
too, which charter schoolsalready get money. But that's a little
complicated private schoolsto, you know, with vou. With vouchers
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and stuff to, you know, sothat they, they can put their hand
just kind like they do with,with, with insurance so they can
kind of put their, you know,put their hand in that tax money
and grab some.
Well, they're doing the samething too. I'm, I'm a, you know,
veteran. I go to the VAhospital for health care. And they've
been trying to find a way to,to profitize the va. And it seems
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like that's always the angleis how can we, how can our rich donors
make a buck off of this ratherthan performing the mission that
the agency is intended for?But I'm curious too. There's been
this, I know like ourcongressman here, Chuck Edwards,
and I'm running against, putout a thing. There's Teacher Appreciation
Day recently and he put out athing praising teachers. And then
like two or three days laterthere's a piece on how a public education
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are nothing but liberalindoctrination centers. So to me
it's appalling this, thisdemonization of public education
and public school teachers.I'm just curious what, you know,
you were there in thetrenches. What, what's like morale
and what's it like being apublic teacher nowadays?
It's, it's not good. I mean, Idid it about 25 years and people
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like to point to like Covid.Everything changed with COVID But
honestly, it had started maybetwo or three years before COVID where
it feels like again, how do,how do donors get money? You know,
you know, every. We're beingtold everything we can teach where
the, the, the, you know,everything we went to school for
has become kind of Useless.It's all babysitting now, and it's
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all about, you know,bureaucracy, and it just. Yeah, the
teaching part, I've alwaysloved the students, and I always,
you know, my best. My favoritepart now is, you know, because I
was teaching 25 years ago, somany of my old students have found
me and let me know, hey, youreally made a difference. And that.
That's great because, youknow, you plant. You plant. You know,
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you're. You know, you. Youknow, plant something, and. And you
get to see that it actuallygrew into something pretty cool.
But, yeah, teacher morale is.Is really low. And that's. It's one
of the things. They've beendemonizing it so long that not only
are people trying to get out,but nobody's going into it, and they're
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constantly trying to find waysthey can use computers to shove,
like, 50 people in theclassroom so that they don't need
as many teachers.
Well, I have a lot of respectfor educators and everything you're
doing for those kids. What.Can we slip back in character for
a second, if you don't mind,and ask Jack Kimball to come back?
Jack, what would be youradvice to Mo Davis on how to beat
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a fellow Republican and putyou in the minority? To my friend
Mo, difficult question.
So, Mo, am I mistake? Am I notmistaken? You're a colonel?
I was. I'm retired.
Okay. You got a white beard,white mustache, white hair. You're
a colonel. You're running foroffice in. In the South. To me, one
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of my heroes was a man namedColonel Sanders. I would try and
orient my campaign. I'm notsaying I'm Colonel Sanders, but I'm
not saying I'm not Colonel Sanders.
Ah. Isn't he dead?
That's why you're not sayingyou are Colonel Sanders.
Oh, God.
I mean, let's be honest. RFK.I mean, JFK Jr. Is dead.
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Yeah.
And they were using him forhow many years before they said I'd
use RFK Jr. I guess.
Oh, well, I'm not followingyou, so.
Oh, I just said Trump wasrunning with it with a dead person
as support, so there's no.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Wow. I think we need to put a.Put this to an end, Mo.
All right.
So, Representative. Sorry, Mo,did you have anything else?
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I didn't. I'm just trying totake notes on that political advice.
So. Yeah, I'm not sure. Allthat money. All that money I'm spending
on consultants, I'm. I'mgetting it for. For a year.
Well, I. And And I, it mightbe the Castanza rule on that one
where you do the opposite ofwhat they tell you to do. But. So,
Representative Kimball, wherecan folks learn a little bit more
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about you?
Well, I have my JackKimball.com page which definitely
needs to be updated. I am Rep.Jack Kimble on Twitter and I am same
name on Blue Sky. I think Ispend more time on Twitter because
there are more Republicancrazies over there. And so my people.
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Yeah. And yeah, I definitelywill have, you know, I've got, as
I said, I've actually got twobooks out. I also have profiles and
Courageousness which came outa long time ago. And I'll continue
writing. I'm actually, I'mactually just starting now to try
to get into stand up. So.
Yeah, well, I'm not sure thatwe care about that. So, Jack Kimball.com
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K I M B L E. Correct. Are yourunning for reelection?
Yeah, always.
Otherwise I have to takebribes or does it have to be FEC
approved money?
I've never been convicted ofanything. Indictments are not convictions.
That's true. That's true.Yeah. And. And he was, he was almost
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16, right?
Almost.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right. Anything to add, Mo?
No, I'm in another fascinating 40.
This has been a terrific waste.
Yeah. Bye.
of my morning. Nothingpersonal. Oh, is he still on here?
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
And if, all right.
You know, if.
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I think you're probably theworst guest we've ever had, to be
honest with you.
I had any serious work to do.
No, you're kind of an so I'venever called anybody an on this show,
at least while we were live.And I think you're one of them, but.
All right. Well, that's a wrapon this week's Muck you where we
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dug deep into the politicaldirt. It came out swinging, mostly
huge thanks to our guest, JackKimball, the quote congressman, end
quote, from California forbringing laughs, sharp takes on and
the absurdity of it all. Jack,you're a legend. Thanks for joining
us. You'll never be back.Yeah, well, that's true. Please follow
(44:00):
us on Blue sky at AmericanMuckrakers and learn more and donate@AmericanMutrakers.com
on behalf of my co host andthe next Congressman from North Carolina
11, a real guy, Colonel MoDavis. Stay sharp, stay loud and
keep shoveling. And if aTrumper bothers you, remember to
remind them. Muck you.
(44:20):
This has been Muck you cohosted by Colonel Moe Davis in Asheville,
North Carolina and DavidWheeler in Spruce Pine, North Carolina.
Thanks to our guest today,Congressman Jack Kimball, not really
a member of Congress fromCalifornia. Learn more about jack
at jackkimble.com or followRep. Jack Kimball on X or Blue Sky
Muck you is produced byAmerican Muckrakers. Copyright 2025.
(44:44):
Follow us on Blue sky underAmerican Muckrakers.com and on substack@americanmuckrakers.substack.com
you can learn more and donateat americanmuckrakers.com David and
Mo Hope y' all come back soonfor a new episode. And remember to
never take shit from anyone,especially Trumpers.
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