November 3, 2025 • 29 mins
Two mega-franchises landed this summer, and we brought in artist and writer Rick Stacey to pull back the cape. We start with Superman’s newest outing and ask a simple question with a thorny answer: when does reinvention enrich a legend, and when does it chip away at what makes the character feel true? From the collar and Kingdom Come-leaning emblem to David Corenswet’s earnest performance, we parse the choices that worked, the ones that nag, and why multiverse logic can both empower artists and blur brand identity. We also spar over Nicholas Hoult’s Lex Luthor, celebrate Rachel Brosnahan’s sharp, modern Lois, and weigh the Justice Gang’s cameos—fun in theory, uneven in execution. Supergirl’s hard edge tees up Woman of Tomorrow, but not without debate.
Then we pivot to Fantastic Four First Steps, where a retro-future canvas finally gives us a real Galactus and a world that winks at Kirby without drowning in homage. The cast draws mixed marks: Vanessa Kirby brings steel and soul to Sue, Johnny sparks but needs room to breathe, Ben hits the heart if not the gravel, and Reed’s screen presence never fully sells the brilliant elasticity fans crave. We talk missed visual awe—where’s the mind-bending stretch that screams “Kirby scale”?—and smart choices like skipping the origin to get straight to team chemistry. Along the way, we tackle fandom’s endless Stan vs. Jack tug-of-war, praise Daredevil’s craft as a model for grounded storytelling, and consider how DC under James Gunn and a recalibrating Marvel can rebuild credibility in a multiverse era.
If you care about casting, costume storytelling, and the thin line between nostalgia and novelty, this is your deep dive. Hit play, then tell us where you landed: which film felt most like the heroes you love? Subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more fans find the show.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:02):
Tonight.
I'm in Stitches, so you get aspecial interview with our very
special friend, Rick Stacey.
Now let's start the show.
Welcome to Multiverse Tonight.
Your story for e community.
We like to make films, games,comics, and much more.
Bringing you into my inventoryon this is Multiverse Tonight.
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Now here's your host, ThomasTemlinley.
Hello everyone, and welcome toepisode 252 of Multiverse
Tonight.
I'm, of course, your host,Thomas Townley.
And uh, well, if you're watchingwatching the MJ, you'll notice
this is the same shirt as thelast episode.
And that's because, well, I'mactually in bed right now, about
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uh a few feet away in mybedroom, uh, having just
recovered from foot surgery.
So I just, you know, it itdidn't seem apt for me to you
know try to do a show when Imight be hopped up on
painkillers.
So instead, uh I recently did aninterview with uh Rick Sta Rick
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Stacy.
Uh of course, uh, you know, youcan go back in our catalog there
and find you know plenty ofepisodes with him.
So and uh for you to enjoy.
But uh, I thought I'd chat withhim about uh the films of the
past summer, Superman andFantastic Four First Steps, and
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get his his take on things.
So let's go to that interview.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Yeah, I just changed over to my Samsung Meteor mic.
I hadn't had that on here to getused to this stuff again.
SPEAKER_02 (01:52):
Oh, yeah, that's much better.
SPEAKER_00 (01:54):
Yeah.
unknown (01:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (01:56):
All right, so it's interview time here on
Multiverse Tonight, and I havesomeone who is one of my
favorite people to interview.
He's uh an artist, a writer.
He's my friend.
SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
Thank you, my my friend.
I appreciate that greatly.
SPEAKER_02 (02:12):
Uh Mr.
Uh Rick Stacy.
How are you doing?
Hi.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Hey Budgood, how are you?
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Uh I'm doing okay.
I have surgery in the surgery ina couple of weeks.
So uh I'll be doing a lot of uhreading and and catching up on
stuff while If if you get bored,let me know and I'll tell you
the results of my MRI.
But by the way, do you like mystudio here?
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
I love it.
I love it because I look at thatand behind me I have nothing.
And I keep it that way becausewith me it's feast or famine.
I've got tons of stuff, and I'vegot a few things across the
wall, two or three pieces, but Icould easily cover every bit of
space in here, and I think, andnone of my own art, because very
little of my own art do I wantup.
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Um, but I think that sometimesit's better for me to just kind
of chill and keep this open inthe background, at least for
this time.
But I've got some really nicepieces.
If I ever did decide to put themup, an original Gil Cain he did
for me in 1983, a Green Lanternand a lovely personal note, and
Dick Giordano and Kurt Swan andDick Sprang and et cetera, et
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cetera.
So we'll see.
We'll see sometime what happens.
So but it's a beautiful studio.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
Oh, thank you.
And uh, of course, uh, we're nothere to you know talk about my
studio or the nice picture thatyou drew behind me.
Thank you.
We are going to talk about uhwhat uh happened this summer.
We have we had two big moviescoming out, of course, uh
Superman and Fantastic Four forSteps.
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Uh both are now out on Blu-rayand DVD.
SPEAKER_00 (03:50):
Yep.
I got the Superman already, andthe Blu-ray for the FF should be
delivered by Amazon todaybecause I just couldn't get out
yesterday.
SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
Oh yeah.
I'm I'm lucky that I live that Iwork at Walmart, so it's easy
just to let's start uh start offon Superman.
Okay.
Now this was James Gunn's takeon on Superman, and I think he
hid it out of the park.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
Uh very well.
Uh of course, you know, thewonderful new costume in there,
the wonderful uh costume there.
Um I have to start off onething.
As an artist, what do you thinkabout uh how the how the costume
came out?
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
The the costume was a bit of a turnoff for me since
I've been and seen and drawnSuperman forever.
And a lot of people on uh onlineare saying it's it's comic
authentic or comic you knowinspired or whatever.
It is, it's bit and pieces ofthe comics, but it's under one
of my pet peeves, with all duerespect to the movie because
there's a lot of good about themovie.
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The big pet peeve is that giantumbrella.
Oh, I just gestured, that waskind of neat.
Giant umbrella over Marvel andDC called All of a Million
Multiverses, which means we cando anything that we want with
these characters within reason.
In Man of Steel, we can goof upPaw Kent, and we can have
Superman uh kill Zod at the snaphis neck at the end or whatever.
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And and as those creative peopleget to have their takes on the
characters, it it gives me alittle bit of uneasiness because
through the entire time that wewere watching the discussions
since 1975 about a movie calledSuperman the Man, where they
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talked about Charlton Hestonbeing Superman.
This is uh Mario Puzzo and allthe guys who put together
Superman the movie.
There was such a hard handlingof branding of the characters,
you were going to stay withinthe realm of what that legend
had been for all those years.
Um, again, it was branding.
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Same thing at Marvel at thattime, but you got away from it
with Stan when he went on the TVuh ventures there too.
Multiverses are a bit difficultfor me to swallow, but again, it
gives people a chance to showtheir wares.
So the Superman movie, I don'tlike the collar.
As an artist, I would havedesigned the costume to be a
little bit more traditional.
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Trunks are fine, the belt's fineor whatever.
But again, since I've drawn himfor so long, I saw it as being
unnecessary.
And the insignia is tied toKingdom Come for me, which is my
jumping off point.
Of course, I jumped back on ofthe DC characters under Mark
Wade and Alex Ross.
So I I have a bit of difficulty,but I'm over it, you know.
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That's that multiverse.
And for that reason, it tooksome getting used to.
As an art director, you think,no, that's not right, that's not
right.
I don't care.
Um the movie in itself was anevent for me.
I took my grandsons who werelike 11 and 14, my daughter and
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her husband, my son, and Sharon,my wife, just make an event.
Let's have fun.
And I sprung for the bigwonderful theater that had the
sidewalls, the whole wraparoundkind of thing.
And I thought,$200?
Well, hey, it's one of thosethings you really want to do.
So the movie in itself had a lotof uh sense of wonder and
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excitement for me.
SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
How do you how do you think uh David Cornsweat did
his Superman though?
SPEAKER_00 (07:32):
I I think his acting as Clark, as Clark without the
glasses on during the interview,and then his Superman role was
done authentically enough forme, and I'll get back to that
word authentic in a minute, tomake it really, really
enjoyable.
SPEAKER_02 (07:53):
And uh course, um let me talk about something that
I didn't really care for was uhNicholas Holt's portrayal as Lex
Luthor.
I don't think he has the he hasthe gravitas or the voice for it
could be.
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Um Michael Rosenbaum is probably my favorite Lex
Luther, although Kevin Spaceykicked it out of the park as far
as I'm concerned when he did amore serious Luther than Gene
Hackman did.
But they're all Lutherist to me,but my favorite is Luther from
Smallville.
And this Luther to me, because Ihad to see it twice.
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Once the first time I went, itwas a carnival ride.
It was an event, so I wasn'tpaying as close attention to the
story as I was the wee, this isgreat and crypto and all that
kind of stuff.
Second time, I've seen it threetimes now, I've owned it
downstairs.
I paid a little more attentionto the story, but I've I've got
to see a Luther who is so groundin animo years of animosity and
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hate and to have the gravitasthat you're talking about.
I think one of the best LuthersI've ever seen, and I'll go by
this sometime, was in the lastseason of Superman and Lois.
And that to me was jaw-dropping.
SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
So okay.
Now uh there were many othercharacters in the in the movie.
There's uh Rachel Brosnaghan'sLois.
I think she did a good job as amodern Lois.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
I the operative words are modern Lois.
That's she really, really wasgood.
When Noelle Neal was Lois andPhyllis Coates was were Lois on
the TV show.
At that time, that was themodern Lois.
Then you jump ahead to Lois andClark, and and I think that that
Lois was fantastic at that time.
But Rachel did a great job.
I've seen her in other filmstoo, and I think she has range,
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and that range made her all thestronger in this role.
SPEAKER_02 (09:51):
Yeah.
And of course, they brought inuh Green Lantern, Mr.
Terrific, and Hot Girls toJustice Gang.
Um, I I you know again, they'reprobably going for, you know,
we're gonna be the Justice Gangfirst, and we'll be the Justice
League once Superman joins up.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Sure.
I think you're right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
But uh, you know, I thought that uh the kind of chew
the Green Lantern kind of chewedthe uh scenery there a little
bit.
SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
That's true.
Uh and he was uh annoying.
And as an artist, I want to goback and I want to redesign the
costume a little bit to be moreof a Green Lantery.
That's somebody else's job.
But he gave us a sense of comicrelief, he gave us a bit of
outlet uh outlet there, and forfor Green Lantern to tell Lois
about the hypnoglasses, Ithought that was cute.
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I'll say that word.
And it comes from a comic that Iread years ago when Julie
Schwartz was editor, I think Iwas freelancing there then.
And I thought this is justanother little way to hook
somebody for a month.
Look at Clark's hypno glasses.
I still see the cover in my minddrawn by Ross Andrew, and it's
kind of fun.
Mr.
Terrific, I never was a fan ofbecause I don't think they knew
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what they were doing with him.
Mr.
Terrific as uh um partner in theJustice Gang is interesting, but
I don't know what all the littlespace balls are.
I don't know enough about him touh find much gravitas with him.
Hawk girl was really good, butas an artist, I wanted to see
her be closer to 5'8 because shelooked tiny.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
True.
Yeah, she was kind of a kind ofa winsome hawk girl.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
But uh, you know, I I also want to see you know the
hawk man that's got supposed togo with the hot girl.
Yeah, yeah.
They're a dyad, they're supposedto be these, you know, two
things that are drawn, alwaysdrawn together.
SPEAKER_00 (11:43):
Yeah.
So speaking of things drawntogether like that, I I was
disappoint- I haven't readSupergirl in a long time.
Comics are just too expensive,and and to my liking, I'm not
liking a lot of them.
Uh, doesn't mean it's not nicefor somebody else, it's not my
cup of tea.
I really did not like the ticketsupergirl at the end, and the
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attitude and the mouth, and I'vegot to get drunk stuff.
And so I that's why this is kindof a really good James Gunn one
and done for now.
And when the new one comes out,I'm probably gonna see it out of
curiosity.
But again, the Supergirl thingwasn't to my liking.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Well, uh, we'll see her in her own movie soon, which
is based upon this.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Yeah, what is it?
Supergirl.
This is Woman of Tomorrow.
Maybe I'll take a look at thestore sometime or read that.
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
I picked this up.
I haven't read through it yet.
I've kind of thumbed through it,but you know.
Looks to be a huge quest story,so I guess that's what they're
gonna go for for her there.
No, you know, got nice art in itthough.
Good.
Um of course they're gonnafollow up with that with Man of
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Tomorrow in 2027.
So we'll have plenty of time totalk about that.
Okay, let's move on to FantasticFour First Steps.
Yep.
Now I really and I reallyenjoyed this movie.
I really liked the the the retrofuture aspect of it.
You know, I thought the youknow, the characters were fine.
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You know, the you know, weactually have an actual Galactus
instead of just a huge cloud.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (13:27):
What do you think of it?
SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
I uh I've only had a chance to see that once, and I
enjoyed it as a multiverse film.
To me, it is not uh bona fide FFfilm.
Uh I mean it is and it isn't.
What I mean by that is I do notcare for the casting on Reed at
all.
And I think when you're watchingthe brand as an art director,
you think in casting thecharacter should look a little
like the character.
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Now I'm prejudiced, and here'swhy.
One of my favorite um series,and I own it downstairs.
Uh I've got a little hometheater downstairs, is Mad Men.
I don't know if you've ever seenit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:01):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
Okay, John Hamm and uh January Jones, husband and
wife in the 60s, dressing thatmode.
The sets, every the lightingtoo, was so 60s, and I was there
to see all that as a kid growingup.
I thought, I wish they'd takethis back to the 60s, which they
did.
I wish it had the samecinematographers as Madman,
which they didn't.
(14:22):
I wish they would go ahead andstate things instead of implying
them like there was an EdSullivan show in the 60s with
the Beatles set.
I didn't I didn't think theGilbert Sullivan thing was much.
Um I uh in the cast casting, umthe woman that played Sue, I for
I don't remember her name.
Um it's Kareem Vanessa Kirby.
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Jack's daughter.
No, I'm kidding.
But Vanessa Kirby is aphenomenal actress.
I've seen her in many films, andI thought she did this this
well, but I was still lookingfor a dynamic that would be more
representative of Stan and Jack.
This was flavored like it, but Iwished it would have crossed
that line incinematography-wise, and maybe
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the casting.
Johnny Storm was fine.
I don't think Johnny Storm gotenough um opportunities to show
more of himself.
Ben Grimm was probably the bestBen Grimm, although I thought,
shouldn't he have a lower voice?
And that's no big deal.
The jokes like, say it, Ben, sayit, and I'm not gonna say it.
That's in the cartoons.
That was adorable.
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Shalabal as the other Sentinel,I had no problem with that.
I like her, as a matter of fact.
She was wonderful in Ozark andsome other uh the woman played
that part.
Yeah, other rules I've seen herin, but it is what it is.
It'll be delivered to my, I'mpointing it right now, to my
doorstep here in a couple hours.
I hope to watch it thisafternoon, as one of the
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multiverse uh um attempts at theF F.
I will say this with all duerespect, it left me really
pining for another F FF movie,not necessarily with this flavor
of this cast.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
Well, to think about Reed Richards there.
My my big thing there was wedidn't see him really stretch.
unknown (16:15):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Have you watched have you watched the cut out
seeds yet?
SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
Not yet.
SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
Okay.
Have you seen the red ghost inthe super rate scenes on TV?
SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
I've seen I've seen bits of that.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
What's up with that?
That's his thing.
That's the fun part where hestretches out into space, which
of course is Jack Kirby at hisbest, but not enough of that.
Not enough of Ben being the oneof the strongest, physical memor
physically strongest members inthe Marvel U, one of them.
Um, Sue always has a nosebleed.
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I went back and watched theother FFs from the early 2000s.
That's okay, but uh uh andHerbie I had no problem with.
I thought that was really kindof cool.
But again, I got to get back andwatch the whole thing again
because when we're watchingSuperman the first time this
summer, or I watched FF the thefirst time, I'm talking to
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myself in my mind.
The whole I'm not focused on thestory like I should be, or some
of the intricacies.
Because I'm thinking, that'swrong.
I would have done this, thecostume's this way, but why do
we have the white John Byrnecollar?
Why can't we go to the you know,being Gemini, both of me talk to
myself in the movies, thoughvery quietly.
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
Um what did you think of the the the call-outs
to like Kirby, the Jack Kirbyand stuff like that, making it
universe 828 after Jack Kirbyand things like that?
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
I I think that's that's really, really nice.
I think that uh it's good to seein all the Marvel movies that
have been out in the last 10, 12years, whatever, there are
credits where credit is due.
And they they bring in the ofcourse St and Jack or Ditko in
the Spidey movies, Don Heck,others that have all worked on
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Iron Man and all these differentuh great characters.
But I thought that was good.
I have a problem with all thepeople that want to have you
take a pledge of allegiance toone or the other.
Is it Kirby?
Is it Stan?
Nobody's perfect, and and Ithink that posthumously to come
back and form these littlegroups that some of them are
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warring with each other andalmost litigating online.
It's just tiresome.
Let it go, because Stan did alot of stuff that was good, a
lot of stuff that was dopey.
Kirby was really, really good,and he went to DC and with
Fourth World started to wear alittle bit, and he did Captain
Victory and Devil Dinosaur, allthe other things.
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He was way with respect, waypast his prime.
And and that's sad becausepeople want to fall on their
swords now over Stan, Jack,Stan, Jack.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Uh, I'd so love to see a Jack Kirby for uh fourth
world movie, something aroundMr.
Miracle or something like that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
But it would be great, good Lord.
Forever People was fantastic.
Exactly.
And I love that.
I love the uh the new gods, sothe forever people, Mr.
Miracle, and uh never was a fanof Commandy because I just
didn't have time to pick up allthe books and read them then.
But I'm sure that was good.
But I did see his work, in myopinion, suffer greatly when he
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went to Pacific Comics.
I did see his work suffergreatly when he was his own
editor, writer, and creativedirector on a lot of his books
because for me it was still alot of experimental illustration
that somebody would come in andsay, Jack, out of these ten,
seven are great, but these threepieces need to be revisited.
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And you could tell he was justdoing whatever he wanted to,
which is fine, but nobody helpwas there to help him make it
better, and the writing in somecases was dreadful.
SPEAKER_02 (20:00):
Now, the interesting thing about both these movies
was they start three to fouryears into the careers of these
characters.
So we don't get to thank you,God.
We don't get the origin storyagain.
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad of that.
So, you know, um I'm glad thatthey at least said, okay, let's
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just skip over the origin.
Agreed.
Let's let's get to them, youknow, here at the semi-start of
their careers, but not quite intheir prime, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Gun did a good job.
Gun did a good job with thatwhen he opened up with three
years ago, there was this, or300 years ago, 333, and uh did a
really great job withestablishing that because we
know those tales.
And and for my money, I thinkone of the best origin tellings
of Superman was Man of Steel.
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I thought that really had a goodstory to it and gave it enough
oomph to make itsemi-contemporary.
SPEAKER_02 (21:03):
You want to know one of my big gripes with Superman?
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
What would that be?
SPEAKER_02 (21:07):
Pa and Ma Kent with accents, the wrong accents.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Yeah.
Um you know, I I I saw I didn'tcare for Ma and Pa Kent at all.
The the fact that he's a mushand she's going talking to her
phone, Clark, can you you know,we're not that backward here in
Kansas.
Yeah.
Um they sounded a little tooArkansas for me, you know.
Arkansas's great, I go there alot.
(21:34):
Oh, yeah.
But uh, I think they werecartoon characters, and when you
have them become cartooncharacters, they lose a lot of
humanity, and that's that's sad.
They were poorly, poorly cast, Ibelieve, yeah and directed.
SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
Yeah, that that I uh 100% agree with with you on
that.
Um well, so let's think on let'sthink on the future.
Where do you think you know theDC universe is gonna go with
with James Gunn?
They've already we've gonethey've gone through Peacemaker
(22:10):
and kind of set things up there.
They're going to Superman,they're going other ways.
Um, Marvel seems to be kind ofin a holding pattern, trying to
figure out what they're going towhat they're doing until they
get to uh the big you knowdoomsday now with uh with uh
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Robert Downey Jr.
SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
I I love the guy.
I think this is a weird castingthing, and it's hard to see him
die and come back, and but I getit, and it's it's like I said,
it's carnival rideentertainment.
And if you find some weight tothe story, excuse me, story or
emotion, that's just icing onthe cake.
But uh as you mentioned, that Iwill go see the next Superman
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movie, I will see what they'redoing with Justice League, but
I'm not I'm not filled with asense of wonder and awe.
A little of that is because uhum it comes a little tiresome
because we've been so lucky tohave so many great films in the
past from Superman with ChrisRee up to now uh at our
fingertips.
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But I will go see it out ofcuriosity and have a good time
with that.
I take the Marvel universe moreseriously, but I take it in bits
and pieces.
Um was not a fan of CaptainMarvel.
Uh I thought there were somegood aspects to that story, but
it it didn't take me where Iwanted to go with uh the Cree
(23:37):
and uh all the other things thatI thought were elemental in
those stories.
Um Shang, I've said this wrong.
Shang Chai?
SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Shang-Chi.
SPEAKER_00 (23:47):
Shang-Chi?
I watched it a couple times andI thought it was really
entertaining, but to me, if Inever see it again, it's okay.
No harm, no foul.
There's only much only so muchshell space for your movies and
in your mind when your memorybecomes full, just like my
Macintosh here.
Um but I'll probably go the lastten years of of Marvel movies
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since Captain Marvel, like theMarvels and uh Thunderbolts,
whatever I haven't seen any ofthem.
I just I just have not beeninterested.
Maybe I'll pick up Thunderboltssometimes.
I don't want to see it on Disneybecause I think I need to see it
on a larger screen downstairs toreally feel it.
And the disappointment I've hadin the sc scrambling back and
(24:33):
forth of a black Adam and aSuperman or a Black Adam to or
what happened to Batman 2 hasleft me dizzy.
So interested to see whathappens, but I really have no
idea.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:47):
May I say something?
Yes.
I mentioned Mad Men, thank you.
I mentioned Mad Men to you asbeing one of the greatest series
of all time that stayed in astory, in a time and a place.
I don't know if you've ever seenit.
Uh I lived in advertising.
Uh the last at after the finalepisode of Mad Men, about 1969
(25:12):
or 1970, I'm guessing, is when Istarted to come into the
business.
So I looked for the accuracies,I looked for the agency names,
the things that gave thatcredibility, and uh that was a
thrill for me.
Credibility being the word, Ifell deeply in love with the
Daredevil series on Netflix, andI scarfed it up.
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And I think that the Disney, thethird season right now is
interesting, and I liked it, butI think my favorite Marvel
entity right now from astandpoint of theatrical
storytelling, lighting,everything that makes
entertainment, uh on the screengood is in Daredevil.
SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
Oh yeah.
Now we're going completely offtopic here.
Yep.
Uh have you have you seen JohnHammond uh confess Fletch?
SPEAKER_01 (26:02):
No.
No.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
You you should watch that.
He is really he is really goodas Fletch.
SPEAKER_00 (26:08):
Okay, is this something I get on Netflix or is
this something I've got a lotof.
I have no I have no idea whoFletch is, by the way.
SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
Um He's a character that was first done the Fletch
movies with uh Chevy Chase?
Chevy Chase.
SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (26:25):
This is a this is kind of a kind of a reboot of
that.
It's on the fun.
I know it's on Prime Video.
SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
Okay, I've got that.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (26:33):
But uh you should you should watch that.
He does a a real good take onthe character.
SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
Good.
I saw him in a commercial lastnight, and it was carn carnavan
or whatever this car selling,you could sell your car.
Sharon and I were watching, andhe was comedic.
And his expressions and hisapproach and his his uh body
language, he was outstanding.
I told her I'm so impressed bythat, that he can go from
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serious uh to deadly serious thelast seasons of uh Mad Men to
this comedic approach.
The guy's good, he's got range.
SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
He does.
He has all sorts of range.
Well, unfolded.
I've got to get to lunch and I'msure you have uh things.
That's what they need to do too,yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
So uh I thank you for the chance to talk with you.
It's always a blast to see you.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
I'm thankful for for getting to talk with you too.
You know, maybe I'll maybe I'llcall you while I'm c
convalescing.
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Do it, do it, call me, set this up, whatever, you
just visit back and forth andstuff.
Iron Man's.
Uh it's all I saw a friend ofmine yesterday, been a buddy for
many, many years.
Uh Mark Wallace is his name.
And he's a Superman collector.
And we could talk about certainperiods of 60s comics or this
and that, what have you, andreally talked at Burger King way
(27:58):
too long.
They should have kicked us out.
But it's always fun to connectwith somebody in our community
and and share these wonderfulexperiences circling around
these characters.
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
Oh, yes.
Well, Rick, uh, we'll see yousoon.
All right, buddy, take care.
Good luck with your surgery, anduh please stay in touch.
Uh I'll do that.
All right, partner.
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Now here's your host, ThomasTemlinley.
Hello everyone, and welcome toepisode 252 of Multiverse
Tonight.
I'm, of course, your host,Thomas Townley.
And uh, well, if you're watchingwatching the MJ, you'll notice
this is the same shirt as thelast episode.
And that's because, well, I'mactually in bed right now, about
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uh a few feet away in mybedroom, uh, having just
recovered from foot surgery.
So I just, you know, it itdidn't seem apt for me to you
know try to do a show when Imight be hopped up on
painkillers.
So instead, uh I recently did aninterview with uh Rick Sta Rick
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Stacy.
Uh of course, uh, you know, youcan go back in our catalog there
and find you know plenty ofepisodes with him.
So and uh for you to enjoy.
But uh, I thought I'd chat withhim about uh the films of the
past summer, Superman andFantastic Four First Steps, and
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get his his take on things.
So let's go to that interview.
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Yeah, I just changed over to my Samsung Meteor mic.
I hadn't had that on here to getused to this stuff again.
SPEAKER_02 (01:52):
Oh, yeah, that's much better.
SPEAKER_00 (01:54):
Yeah.
unknown (01:55):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (01:56):
All right, so it's interview time here on
Multiverse Tonight, and I havesomeone who is one of my
favorite people to interview.
He's uh an artist, a writer.
He's my friend.
SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
Thank you, my my friend.
I appreciate that greatly.
SPEAKER_02 (02:12):
Uh Mr.
Uh Rick Stacy.
How are you doing?
Hi.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Hey Budgood, how are you?
SPEAKER_02 (02:17):
Uh I'm doing okay.
I have surgery in the surgery ina couple of weeks.
So uh I'll be doing a lot of uhreading and and catching up on
stuff while If if you get bored,let me know and I'll tell you
the results of my MRI.
But by the way, do you like mystudio here?
SPEAKER_00 (02:37):
I love it.
I love it because I look at thatand behind me I have nothing.
And I keep it that way becausewith me it's feast or famine.
I've got tons of stuff, and I'vegot a few things across the
wall, two or three pieces, but Icould easily cover every bit of
space in here, and I think, andnone of my own art, because very
little of my own art do I wantup.
(02:58):
Um, but I think that sometimesit's better for me to just kind
of chill and keep this open inthe background, at least for
this time.
But I've got some really nicepieces.
If I ever did decide to put themup, an original Gil Cain he did
for me in 1983, a Green Lanternand a lovely personal note, and
Dick Giordano and Kurt Swan andDick Sprang and et cetera, et
(03:18):
cetera.
So we'll see.
We'll see sometime what happens.
So but it's a beautiful studio.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
Oh, thank you.
And uh, of course, uh, we're nothere to you know talk about my
studio or the nice picture thatyou drew behind me.
Thank you.
We are going to talk about uhwhat uh happened this summer.
We have we had two big moviescoming out, of course, uh
Superman and Fantastic Four forSteps.
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Uh both are now out on Blu-rayand DVD.
SPEAKER_00 (03:50):
Yep.
I got the Superman already, andthe Blu-ray for the FF should be
delivered by Amazon todaybecause I just couldn't get out
yesterday.
SPEAKER_02 (03:59):
Oh yeah.
I'm I'm lucky that I live that Iwork at Walmart, so it's easy
just to let's start uh start offon Superman.
Okay.
Now this was James Gunn's takeon on Superman, and I think he
hid it out of the park.
SPEAKER_01 (04:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (04:19):
Uh very well.
Uh of course, you know, thewonderful new costume in there,
the wonderful uh costume there.
Um I have to start off onething.
As an artist, what do you thinkabout uh how the how the costume
came out?
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
The the costume was a bit of a turnoff for me since
I've been and seen and drawnSuperman forever.
And a lot of people on uh onlineare saying it's it's comic
authentic or comic you knowinspired or whatever.
It is, it's bit and pieces ofthe comics, but it's under one
of my pet peeves, with all duerespect to the movie because
there's a lot of good about themovie.
(04:55):
The big pet peeve is that giantumbrella.
Oh, I just gestured, that waskind of neat.
Giant umbrella over Marvel andDC called All of a Million
Multiverses, which means we cando anything that we want with
these characters within reason.
In Man of Steel, we can goof upPaw Kent, and we can have
Superman uh kill Zod at the snaphis neck at the end or whatever.
(05:17):
And and as those creative peopleget to have their takes on the
characters, it it gives me alittle bit of uneasiness because
through the entire time that wewere watching the discussions
since 1975 about a movie calledSuperman the Man, where they
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talked about Charlton Hestonbeing Superman.
This is uh Mario Puzzo and allthe guys who put together
Superman the movie.
There was such a hard handlingof branding of the characters,
you were going to stay withinthe realm of what that legend
had been for all those years.
Um, again, it was branding.
(05:58):
Same thing at Marvel at thattime, but you got away from it
with Stan when he went on the TVuh ventures there too.
Multiverses are a bit difficultfor me to swallow, but again, it
gives people a chance to showtheir wares.
So the Superman movie, I don'tlike the collar.
As an artist, I would havedesigned the costume to be a
little bit more traditional.
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Trunks are fine, the belt's fineor whatever.
But again, since I've drawn himfor so long, I saw it as being
unnecessary.
And the insignia is tied toKingdom Come for me, which is my
jumping off point.
Of course, I jumped back on ofthe DC characters under Mark
Wade and Alex Ross.
So I I have a bit of difficulty,but I'm over it, you know.
(06:41):
That's that multiverse.
And for that reason, it tooksome getting used to.
As an art director, you think,no, that's not right, that's not
right.
I don't care.
Um the movie in itself was anevent for me.
I took my grandsons who werelike 11 and 14, my daughter and
(07:03):
her husband, my son, and Sharon,my wife, just make an event.
Let's have fun.
And I sprung for the bigwonderful theater that had the
sidewalls, the whole wraparoundkind of thing.
And I thought,$200?
Well, hey, it's one of thosethings you really want to do.
So the movie in itself had a lotof uh sense of wonder and
(07:26):
excitement for me.
SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
How do you how do you think uh David Cornsweat did
his Superman though?
SPEAKER_00 (07:32):
I I think his acting as Clark, as Clark without the
glasses on during the interview,and then his Superman role was
done authentically enough forme, and I'll get back to that
word authentic in a minute, tomake it really, really
enjoyable.
SPEAKER_02 (07:53):
And uh course, um let me talk about something that
I didn't really care for was uhNicholas Holt's portrayal as Lex
Luthor.
I don't think he has the he hasthe gravitas or the voice for it
could be.
SPEAKER_00 (08:09):
Um Michael Rosenbaum is probably my favorite Lex
Luther, although Kevin Spaceykicked it out of the park as far
as I'm concerned when he did amore serious Luther than Gene
Hackman did.
But they're all Lutherist to me,but my favorite is Luther from
Smallville.
And this Luther to me, because Ihad to see it twice.
(08:30):
Once the first time I went, itwas a carnival ride.
It was an event, so I wasn'tpaying as close attention to the
story as I was the wee, this isgreat and crypto and all that
kind of stuff.
Second time, I've seen it threetimes now, I've owned it
downstairs.
I paid a little more attentionto the story, but I've I've got
to see a Luther who is so groundin animo years of animosity and
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hate and to have the gravitasthat you're talking about.
I think one of the best LuthersI've ever seen, and I'll go by
this sometime, was in the lastseason of Superman and Lois.
And that to me was jaw-dropping.
SPEAKER_02 (09:11):
So okay.
Now uh there were many othercharacters in the in the movie.
There's uh Rachel Brosnaghan'sLois.
I think she did a good job as amodern Lois.
SPEAKER_00 (09:24):
I the operative words are modern Lois.
That's she really, really wasgood.
When Noelle Neal was Lois andPhyllis Coates was were Lois on
the TV show.
At that time, that was themodern Lois.
Then you jump ahead to Lois andClark, and and I think that that
Lois was fantastic at that time.
But Rachel did a great job.
I've seen her in other filmstoo, and I think she has range,
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and that range made her all thestronger in this role.
SPEAKER_02 (09:51):
Yeah.
And of course, they brought inuh Green Lantern, Mr.
Terrific, and Hot Girls toJustice Gang.
Um, I I you know again, they'reprobably going for, you know,
we're gonna be the Justice Gangfirst, and we'll be the Justice
League once Superman joins up.
SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Sure.
I think you're right.
SPEAKER_02 (10:10):
But uh, you know, I thought that uh the kind of chew
the Green Lantern kind of chewedthe uh scenery there a little
bit.
SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
That's true.
Uh and he was uh annoying.
And as an artist, I want to goback and I want to redesign the
costume a little bit to be moreof a Green Lantery.
That's somebody else's job.
But he gave us a sense of comicrelief, he gave us a bit of
outlet uh outlet there, and forfor Green Lantern to tell Lois
about the hypnoglasses, Ithought that was cute.
(10:42):
I'll say that word.
And it comes from a comic that Iread years ago when Julie
Schwartz was editor, I think Iwas freelancing there then.
And I thought this is justanother little way to hook
somebody for a month.
Look at Clark's hypno glasses.
I still see the cover in my minddrawn by Ross Andrew, and it's
kind of fun.
Mr.
Terrific, I never was a fan ofbecause I don't think they knew
(11:03):
what they were doing with him.
Mr.
Terrific as uh um partner in theJustice Gang is interesting, but
I don't know what all the littlespace balls are.
I don't know enough about him touh find much gravitas with him.
Hawk girl was really good, butas an artist, I wanted to see
her be closer to 5'8 because shelooked tiny.
SPEAKER_02 (11:23):
True.
Yeah, she was kind of a kind ofa winsome hawk girl.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (11:30):
But uh, you know, I I also want to see you know the
hawk man that's got supposed togo with the hot girl.
Yeah, yeah.
They're a dyad, they're supposedto be these, you know, two
things that are drawn, alwaysdrawn together.
SPEAKER_00 (11:43):
Yeah.
So speaking of things drawntogether like that, I I was
disappoint- I haven't readSupergirl in a long time.
Comics are just too expensive,and and to my liking, I'm not
liking a lot of them.
Uh, doesn't mean it's not nicefor somebody else, it's not my
cup of tea.
I really did not like the ticketsupergirl at the end, and the
(12:04):
attitude and the mouth, and I'vegot to get drunk stuff.
And so I that's why this is kindof a really good James Gunn one
and done for now.
And when the new one comes out,I'm probably gonna see it out of
curiosity.
But again, the Supergirl thingwasn't to my liking.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (12:20):
Well, uh, we'll see her in her own movie soon, which
is based upon this.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Yeah, what is it?
Supergirl.
This is Woman of Tomorrow.
Maybe I'll take a look at thestore sometime or read that.
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
I picked this up.
I haven't read through it yet.
I've kind of thumbed through it,but you know.
Looks to be a huge quest story,so I guess that's what they're
gonna go for for her there.
No, you know, got nice art in itthough.
Good.
Um of course they're gonnafollow up with that with Man of
(12:56):
Tomorrow in 2027.
So we'll have plenty of time totalk about that.
Okay, let's move on to FantasticFour First Steps.
Yep.
Now I really and I reallyenjoyed this movie.
I really liked the the the retrofuture aspect of it.
You know, I thought the youknow, the characters were fine.
(13:20):
You know, the you know, weactually have an actual Galactus
instead of just a huge cloud.
SPEAKER_00 (13:26):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_02 (13:27):
What do you think of it?
SPEAKER_00 (13:29):
I uh I've only had a chance to see that once, and I
enjoyed it as a multiverse film.
To me, it is not uh bona fide FFfilm.
Uh I mean it is and it isn't.
What I mean by that is I do notcare for the casting on Reed at
all.
And I think when you're watchingthe brand as an art director,
you think in casting thecharacter should look a little
like the character.
(13:50):
Now I'm prejudiced, and here'swhy.
One of my favorite um series,and I own it downstairs.
Uh I've got a little hometheater downstairs, is Mad Men.
I don't know if you've ever seenit.
SPEAKER_02 (14:01):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
Okay, John Hamm and uh January Jones, husband and
wife in the 60s, dressing thatmode.
The sets, every the lightingtoo, was so 60s, and I was there
to see all that as a kid growingup.
I thought, I wish they'd takethis back to the 60s, which they
did.
I wish it had the samecinematographers as Madman,
which they didn't.
(14:22):
I wish they would go ahead andstate things instead of implying
them like there was an EdSullivan show in the 60s with
the Beatles set.
I didn't I didn't think theGilbert Sullivan thing was much.
Um I uh in the cast casting, umthe woman that played Sue, I for
I don't remember her name.
Um it's Kareem Vanessa Kirby.
(14:45):
Jack's daughter.
No, I'm kidding.
But Vanessa Kirby is aphenomenal actress.
I've seen her in many films, andI thought she did this this
well, but I was still lookingfor a dynamic that would be more
representative of Stan and Jack.
This was flavored like it, but Iwished it would have crossed
that line incinematography-wise, and maybe
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the casting.
Johnny Storm was fine.
I don't think Johnny Storm gotenough um opportunities to show
more of himself.
Ben Grimm was probably the bestBen Grimm, although I thought,
shouldn't he have a lower voice?
And that's no big deal.
The jokes like, say it, Ben, sayit, and I'm not gonna say it.
That's in the cartoons.
That was adorable.
(15:28):
Shalabal as the other Sentinel,I had no problem with that.
I like her, as a matter of fact.
She was wonderful in Ozark andsome other uh the woman played
that part.
Yeah, other rules I've seen herin, but it is what it is.
It'll be delivered to my, I'mpointing it right now, to my
doorstep here in a couple hours.
I hope to watch it thisafternoon, as one of the
(15:50):
multiverse uh um attempts at theF F.
I will say this with all duerespect, it left me really
pining for another F FF movie,not necessarily with this flavor
of this cast.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
SPEAKER_02 (16:07):
Well, to think about Reed Richards there.
My my big thing there was wedidn't see him really stretch.
unknown (16:15):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Have you watched have you watched the cut out
seeds yet?
SPEAKER_02 (16:18):
Not yet.
SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
Okay.
Have you seen the red ghost inthe super rate scenes on TV?
SPEAKER_02 (16:23):
I've seen I've seen bits of that.
SPEAKER_00 (16:26):
What's up with that?
That's his thing.
That's the fun part where hestretches out into space, which
of course is Jack Kirby at hisbest, but not enough of that.
Not enough of Ben being the oneof the strongest, physical memor
physically strongest members inthe Marvel U, one of them.
Um, Sue always has a nosebleed.
(16:46):
I went back and watched theother FFs from the early 2000s.
That's okay, but uh uh andHerbie I had no problem with.
I thought that was really kindof cool.
But again, I got to get back andwatch the whole thing again
because when we're watchingSuperman the first time this
summer, or I watched FF the thefirst time, I'm talking to
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myself in my mind.
The whole I'm not focused on thestory like I should be, or some
of the intricacies.
Because I'm thinking, that'swrong.
I would have done this, thecostume's this way, but why do
we have the white John Byrnecollar?
Why can't we go to the you know,being Gemini, both of me talk to
myself in the movies, thoughvery quietly.
SPEAKER_02 (17:31):
Um what did you think of the the the call-outs
to like Kirby, the Jack Kirbyand stuff like that, making it
universe 828 after Jack Kirbyand things like that?
SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
I I think that's that's really, really nice.
I think that uh it's good to seein all the Marvel movies that
have been out in the last 10, 12years, whatever, there are
credits where credit is due.
And they they bring in the ofcourse St and Jack or Ditko in
the Spidey movies, Don Heck,others that have all worked on
(18:02):
Iron Man and all these differentuh great characters.
But I thought that was good.
I have a problem with all thepeople that want to have you
take a pledge of allegiance toone or the other.
Is it Kirby?
Is it Stan?
Nobody's perfect, and and Ithink that posthumously to come
back and form these littlegroups that some of them are
(18:25):
warring with each other andalmost litigating online.
It's just tiresome.
Let it go, because Stan did alot of stuff that was good, a
lot of stuff that was dopey.
Kirby was really, really good,and he went to DC and with
Fourth World started to wear alittle bit, and he did Captain
Victory and Devil Dinosaur, allthe other things.
(18:46):
He was way with respect, waypast his prime.
And and that's sad becausepeople want to fall on their
swords now over Stan, Jack,Stan, Jack.
SPEAKER_02 (19:00):
Uh, I'd so love to see a Jack Kirby for uh fourth
world movie, something aroundMr.
Miracle or something like that.
SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
But it would be great, good Lord.
Forever People was fantastic.
Exactly.
And I love that.
I love the uh the new gods, sothe forever people, Mr.
Miracle, and uh never was a fanof Commandy because I just
didn't have time to pick up allthe books and read them then.
But I'm sure that was good.
But I did see his work, in myopinion, suffer greatly when he
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went to Pacific Comics.
I did see his work suffergreatly when he was his own
editor, writer, and creativedirector on a lot of his books
because for me it was still alot of experimental illustration
that somebody would come in andsay, Jack, out of these ten,
seven are great, but these threepieces need to be revisited.
(19:49):
And you could tell he was justdoing whatever he wanted to,
which is fine, but nobody helpwas there to help him make it
better, and the writing in somecases was dreadful.
SPEAKER_02 (20:00):
Now, the interesting thing about both these movies
was they start three to fouryears into the careers of these
characters.
So we don't get to thank you,God.
We don't get the origin storyagain.
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad of that.
So, you know, um I'm glad thatthey at least said, okay, let's
(20:22):
just skip over the origin.
Agreed.
Let's let's get to them, youknow, here at the semi-start of
their careers, but not quite intheir prime, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Gun did a good job.
Gun did a good job with thatwhen he opened up with three
years ago, there was this, or300 years ago, 333, and uh did a
really great job withestablishing that because we
know those tales.
And and for my money, I thinkone of the best origin tellings
of Superman was Man of Steel.
(20:54):
I thought that really had a goodstory to it and gave it enough
oomph to make itsemi-contemporary.
SPEAKER_02 (21:03):
You want to know one of my big gripes with Superman?
SPEAKER_00 (21:06):
What would that be?
SPEAKER_02 (21:07):
Pa and Ma Kent with accents, the wrong accents.
SPEAKER_00 (21:13):
Yeah.
Um you know, I I I saw I didn'tcare for Ma and Pa Kent at all.
The the fact that he's a mushand she's going talking to her
phone, Clark, can you you know,we're not that backward here in
Kansas.
Yeah.
Um they sounded a little tooArkansas for me, you know.
Arkansas's great, I go there alot.
(21:34):
Oh, yeah.
But uh, I think they werecartoon characters, and when you
have them become cartooncharacters, they lose a lot of
humanity, and that's that's sad.
They were poorly, poorly cast, Ibelieve, yeah and directed.
SPEAKER_02 (21:47):
Yeah, that that I uh 100% agree with with you on
that.
Um well, so let's think on let'sthink on the future.
Where do you think you know theDC universe is gonna go with
with James Gunn?
They've already we've gonethey've gone through Peacemaker
(22:10):
and kind of set things up there.
They're going to Superman,they're going other ways.
Um, Marvel seems to be kind ofin a holding pattern, trying to
figure out what they're going towhat they're doing until they
get to uh the big you knowdoomsday now with uh with uh
(22:32):
Robert Downey Jr.
SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
I I love the guy.
I think this is a weird castingthing, and it's hard to see him
die and come back, and but I getit, and it's it's like I said,
it's carnival rideentertainment.
And if you find some weight tothe story, excuse me, story or
emotion, that's just icing onthe cake.
But uh as you mentioned, that Iwill go see the next Superman
(22:56):
movie, I will see what they'redoing with Justice League, but
I'm not I'm not filled with asense of wonder and awe.
A little of that is because uhum it comes a little tiresome
because we've been so lucky tohave so many great films in the
past from Superman with ChrisRee up to now uh at our
fingertips.
(23:17):
But I will go see it out ofcuriosity and have a good time
with that.
I take the Marvel universe moreseriously, but I take it in bits
and pieces.
Um was not a fan of CaptainMarvel.
Uh I thought there were somegood aspects to that story, but
it it didn't take me where Iwanted to go with uh the Cree
(23:37):
and uh all the other things thatI thought were elemental in
those stories.
Um Shang, I've said this wrong.
Shang Chai?
SPEAKER_02 (23:46):
Shang-Chi.
SPEAKER_00 (23:47):
Shang-Chi?
I watched it a couple times andI thought it was really
entertaining, but to me, if Inever see it again, it's okay.
No harm, no foul.
There's only much only so muchshell space for your movies and
in your mind when your memorybecomes full, just like my
Macintosh here.
Um but I'll probably go the lastten years of of Marvel movies
(24:12):
since Captain Marvel, like theMarvels and uh Thunderbolts,
whatever I haven't seen any ofthem.
I just I just have not beeninterested.
Maybe I'll pick up Thunderboltssometimes.
I don't want to see it on Disneybecause I think I need to see it
on a larger screen downstairs toreally feel it.
And the disappointment I've hadin the sc scrambling back and
(24:33):
forth of a black Adam and aSuperman or a Black Adam to or
what happened to Batman 2 hasleft me dizzy.
So interested to see whathappens, but I really have no
idea.
SPEAKER_02 (24:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:47):
May I say something?
Yes.
I mentioned Mad Men, thank you.
I mentioned Mad Men to you asbeing one of the greatest series
of all time that stayed in astory, in a time and a place.
I don't know if you've ever seenit.
Uh I lived in advertising.
Uh the last at after the finalepisode of Mad Men, about 1969
(25:12):
or 1970, I'm guessing, is when Istarted to come into the
business.
So I looked for the accuracies,I looked for the agency names,
the things that gave thatcredibility, and uh that was a
thrill for me.
Credibility being the word, Ifell deeply in love with the
Daredevil series on Netflix, andI scarfed it up.
(25:33):
And I think that the Disney, thethird season right now is
interesting, and I liked it, butI think my favorite Marvel
entity right now from astandpoint of theatrical
storytelling, lighting,everything that makes
entertainment, uh on the screengood is in Daredevil.
SPEAKER_02 (25:53):
Oh yeah.
Now we're going completely offtopic here.
Yep.
Uh have you have you seen JohnHammond uh confess Fletch?
SPEAKER_01 (26:02):
No.
No.
SPEAKER_02 (26:03):
You you should watch that.
He is really he is really goodas Fletch.
SPEAKER_00 (26:08):
Okay, is this something I get on Netflix or is
this something I've got a lotof.
I have no I have no idea whoFletch is, by the way.
SPEAKER_02 (26:16):
Um He's a character that was first done the Fletch
movies with uh Chevy Chase?
Chevy Chase.
SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (26:25):
This is a this is kind of a kind of a reboot of
that.
It's on the fun.
I know it's on Prime Video.
SPEAKER_01 (26:31):
Okay, I've got that.
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (26:33):
But uh you should you should watch that.
He does a a real good take onthe character.
SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
Good.
I saw him in a commercial lastnight, and it was carn carnavan
or whatever this car selling,you could sell your car.
Sharon and I were watching, andhe was comedic.
And his expressions and hisapproach and his his uh body
language, he was outstanding.
I told her I'm so impressed bythat, that he can go from
(27:02):
serious uh to deadly serious thelast seasons of uh Mad Men to
this comedic approach.
The guy's good, he's got range.
SPEAKER_02 (27:11):
He does.
He has all sorts of range.
Well, unfolded.
I've got to get to lunch and I'msure you have uh things.
That's what they need to do too,yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (27:24):
So uh I thank you for the chance to talk with you.
It's always a blast to see you.
SPEAKER_02 (27:30):
I'm thankful for for getting to talk with you too.
You know, maybe I'll maybe I'llcall you while I'm c
convalescing.
SPEAKER_00 (27:37):
Do it, do it, call me, set this up, whatever, you
just visit back and forth andstuff.
Iron Man's.
Uh it's all I saw a friend ofmine yesterday, been a buddy for
many, many years.
Uh Mark Wallace is his name.
And he's a Superman collector.
And we could talk about certainperiods of 60s comics or this
and that, what have you, andreally talked at Burger King way
(27:58):
too long.
They should have kicked us out.
But it's always fun to connectwith somebody in our community
and and share these wonderfulexperiences circling around
these characters.
SPEAKER_01 (28:08):
Oh, yes.
Well, Rick, uh, we'll see yousoon.
All right, buddy, take care.
Good luck with your surgery, anduh please stay in touch.
Uh I'll do that.
All right, partner.
SPEAKER_02 (28:46):
And that brings us to the end of our show for
today.
I'd like to thank Ruck Stacy forjoining us again.
Now, please be sure to check usout on social media.
We're at Blue Sky and Twitter atmultiverse tom threads,
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You'll now you can also leavesome feedback as well.
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(29:26):
Thanks for watching this editionof Multiverse Tonight.
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