October 27, 2022 • 31 mins
Hey, friend,
Thank you for joining me for Running Scared with Coach Christine. I'm a Level 2 RRCA and Galloway certified coach, but more importantly, I'm someone that knows it's so much easier to get out for your run or walk when you have something to look forward to that helps with motivation.
And, looking forward is exactly what we will do with this incredible True Crime chat with the dynamic duo of Uncluttered & Unfiltered Podcast.
What happens when a professional organizer, broadcaster, and running coach gets together? We talk about True Crime!
Use this conversation for a light run, enjoy a cardio sesh, or just grab a glass of wine, find a comfy place on your sofa and come on in and sit with us for a spell.
Eden Kendall is a dynamic broadcaster known for her morning show and segments on some of your favorite television programs and an avid runner.
Christine Stone is a professional organizer who can show you how to declutter your life so that you can make way for the things that matter in life, like listening to more podcasts.
In this conversation, you'll learn about the true crime cases we are obsessed with. Consider this your Golden Ticket friend because this episode gets you entry to one of the hottest tickets in town.... the Uncluttered & Unfiltered Ladies Over 40 Facebook group page.
Don't forget to subscribe to Uncluttered & Unfiltered so you can get your weekly episodes on all of the many ways to celebrate today by letting go and not looking back!
Oh and don't forget to check out the Saturday Night Live skit that Christine from U&U referenced in this episode.
If you have any questions about running or want to chat about True Crime, please email me at christine@runwinefinishlines.com.
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Thank you for Running Scared with Coach Christine!
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Christine Hetzel (00:02):
Hey friends, welcome to running scared. I'm
Coach Christine, a level tworrca and a run, walk run
certified coach. And if you arelike me, you enjoy your crime.
You enjoy getting out for a run,walk or workout session. So
welcome. You have found yourcorner of the internet, and
we're likely going to bebesties. Friends today is a
(00:23):
super, super unique and I am soexcited for this particular
conversation. We're not going tohave a structured workout. So
hopefully you're moving yourbody, you're feeling good,
you're getting a little bit ofthat glow those endorphins. You
are however going to meet someincredible women that are surely
(00:43):
going to be your besties aswell. So on today's episode,
you're going to get a chance tohear from Eden and Christine and
if you're wondering, okay,that's your name. No another
Christine. These two fabulouswomen are coming to us from
uncluttered and unfiltered thepodcast with their catchphrase a
(01:06):
let it go and don't look back.
That's the mantra that theyshare together. And Christina
and Eden are, as they describepolar opposites. Christine just
turned 60. She's a professionalorganizer, and she creates
spaces that are streamlined andefficient. And guess what she
loves to climb to. I mean, thisgirl knows her true crime stuff
like I have her on speed dialfor if and when
(01:34):
anything goes down. She knowshow to dispose of the body, I'm
pretty sure about it. And thenwe've got Eaton who is
absolutely just a bubbly,glowing, avid runner. So I know
that you are going to enjoy thisconversation, hopefully even
just 1/10 As much as I did, thentrust me, you're going to have a
(01:55):
fabulous day because it was somuch fun to get to sit down and
talk to these incredible,incredible women. I am going to
ask you to check them out. Checkout uncluttered and unfiltered
and join their facebook grouppage. They just lower the age
limit 40 and above and you'remore than welcome to go and join
(02:17):
them. Great conversations. Ithink I was even able to learn
that there's certain emojis thatI've been using the art so
yesterday to kids even say thatanymore. Well, without further
ado, my friends. Let's get rightto it get moving and put that
smile on your face. And thenlet's hear from Eden and
Christine. Who it is a specialHalloween bonus edition of
(02:41):
either filter so excited. I knowyou die a happy moment actually
could be your birthday edition.
Eden (02:49):
This is so exciting for me. So I have a couple of
Christine's in my life. And I'vegot Christine stone neatly
designed organizer. And thenthere's Christine coach
Christine Hetzel, who has themost unique podcast I think very
unique and what it is and yousee her now There she is. Hello,
my dear. Hello, Eden. Hello,Christine. Thank you guys so
(03:10):
much for having me on. I have tobe honest, as I was doing my
makeup and listening to yourrecent episodes, like I'm doing
it all wrong, clearly.
Christine Stone (03:19):
You know what?
That's isn't that the beautyabout podcasts? No. But let me
give you a little bit ofbackground on my end. And parts
of this are most of this you'regoing to be able to hear on
either of the two podcasts areuncluttered, and unfiltered. And
I'm running scared. But let megive you a little bit of a
background on how I know,Christine Hetzel. So there was
an app called charge running,which was like the most fun
thing ever, and there was a livecoaching. And you would put on
(03:42):
your earbuds and you'd go for arun and you would actually be
live and there'd be a coach at amicrophone probably looking kind
of like the way I'm looking likeChristine's looking right now.
And she, by the way, I'm justI'm going to call you Chris
Chris Stone, Christine stone.
And you Christine, becauseotherwise I'm going to call you
murder Chris.
Unknown (04:03):
Nate Christine, and I don't think that's good. So
anyway, she would be the coachin my ear. And she's so
uplifting in a beat and sparkly.
But then she's got this darkside, right so she loves true
crime.
Oh, I heard her podcast i iloved it.
So what she has now done iscombined the running coaching
(04:24):
with the true crime love it. Sowhen you're out for a run, you
get to hear these stories. Andin the meantime, she'll be like,
Alright, let's take it down to awalk.
Christine (04:36):
Session like well, and then they discovered a bunch
of bodies now we're just gonnachill a little bit for a walk or
bump up the pace. But yeah, ithas definitely been in quite
interesting in marriage of thetwo loves. There's no doubt on
that. I myself listen to a lotof true crime when I got for
rent, so it felt very naturalprogression for me. So I enjoy
every aspect of spookiness and Iassume, Chris You're not just a
(05:00):
true crime fan, if you loveHalloween, you're just a spooky
fan all the way around.
Unknown (05:05):
I am a true crime fanatic. I mean, I can't tell
you, my husband said thismorning, you must be just giddy.
I have watched every true time Ivideotaped Dateline, 48 hours
and 2020. So I could skipthrough the commercials. And I
(05:25):
am fascinated by the fascinationof true crime. I mean, everybody
is talking about the Dahmerdocumentary or, you know, made
for Netflix show and the otherone, the documentary. So I am
fascinated by why people are sofascinated. And I've come to the
conclusion, in my mind, it'sbecause you never think this
(05:49):
could happen to you. So you'rekind of just looking through
someone else's eyes or what'sgoing on in someone else's life.
Christine (05:58):
So that's fascinating. Actually, there's a
lot of research about it.
Because as you mentioned,there's been a tons of emphasis
on true crime from aspecifically podcasting world
specific. I mean, if you thinkback to what really propelled
podcasting to what it is today,for me, it's hands down cereal,
cereal, just kind of came ontothe scene and just blew the lid
off of investigative journalism,podcasting, it felt very
(06:21):
intimate, and you kind of weretaken on this journey the entire
time that you absolutely loved.
So from that, it's just grownand grown in this audio form,
which I love. But the researchindicates that women are the
primary audience for true crime,by and large, and I don't know
about you guys, but the fellowsjust don't get it. Like they
(06:43):
just don't understand why we'reso riveted by it.
Unknown (06:46):
My husband has walked in the room more times and said,
How many of these can you watchwhere either he killed her or
she killed him? How many timesand I'm like, it's, it's to me,
and I've heard this before onother podcasts. It's kind of
relaxing. It's like I come home.
And I hear you know, KeithMorrison, Josh Mankiewicz,
(07:08):
whoever it is, and I'm like, andI literally, it puts me to
sleep. And I've heard so manyother women say the same thing.
It's like a sedative. It'sunbelievable.
Christine (07:22):
You're absolutely right. I can't tell you how
often I will fall asleep whenI'm researching my cases, just
because it's it is very relaxingto me. So the research
indicated. By the way, everyone,my friends, if you end up seeing
this on the YouTube channel ofunquote, uncluttered and
unfiltered you'll get to seethat even may not be quite as
big of a fan as the Chris andChristie are here.
Unknown (07:45):
i Okay, so I'll be honest with you, the only true
crime I listened to is runningscared because I love you. And I
love to hear your voice when Irun. And so you could read me
the phone book, and I'd beperfectly happy with it. But as
far as No, it's not my way ofrelaxing and unwinding at all.
In fact, this Chris my Chrisjust said to me, just in
(08:07):
passing, why does everybody wantto put any breeze in Gatorade?
And I was like, What? No,I go, you know, everyone, it's
undetectable. You can't tasteit. She goes how do you know
that? I go. I listen to allthese shows. Did
you know that Christine,
Christine (08:23):
I have come across that a little bit myself. But I
think again, or Chris you you'vegot you may have the film but
we're calling you girlfriend ifwe ever need to dispose a body
because you seem to have a lotof information there.
Unknown (08:37):
And I'm married to a criminal defense lawyer and I'll
say you know, with if yousprained lumenal it'll come up
the blood will show it'll it'llbe like lightning in a room and
he's like, how did you knowthat? I'm like,
kill him you will never you andhave a lawyer. Right?
Christine (08:55):
I think you you specifically nailed it as to why
people are so attracted to it itis because it does help to kind
of peel back the unknown in thein the fear that we may have
around certain things. And onceyou get to know that fear, it's
kind of like tackling any fearthat you may have be it heights
or, you know, scary creepythings that a haunted house, it
helps to maybe put a face to thefear so you're not quite as
(09:16):
frightened is definitely one ofthe theories as to why people
are so fascinated by true crime.
I personally love the psyche.
Like what happened. I keepthinking this was somebody who
literally needed a professionalorganizer for life because they
had too much damn cluttereverywhere. And they just they
were so frustrated that theypossibly just were they were
driven to to maybe act out thosemurderous urges that I don't
(09:40):
know about you guys I definitelycan have when I'm looking
through my makeup drawer.
Unknown (09:44):
When I'm hearing you say is it true? Well, time trip
to IKEA could save a life. Yeah,they would only if they would
only have organized there. I'mpretty profitable,
I also think is the mother ofdaughters. I mean, I don't know
about if you have daughters, butI am constantly texting them. Oh
my gosh. You know, don't dothis. Don't do that. You know if
(10:07):
you're ever locked in a trunkyou need to do this. I mean
constantly because I'm learningfrom these things always have
your Find My iPhone so I canfind you. You know, I mean, to
me, it's like a learning lessonto give your children because
they're so I love them. Butthey're so naive because they're
so young, and they don't thinkanything bad could ever happen
(10:27):
to them. So I'm always like,last night on Dateline, this
girl she was walking alone,never walk alone. You know what
I mean? Yes. Yeah,
Christine (10:35):
that's actually one of the things as well as people
want to know, like, what theyshould do learn a little bit
more about it, I actually end upmost of my podcast episodes with
lessons that I take away fromthat particular story, we
usually do a little tongue incheek to lighten it up. But you
also start
Unknown (10:52):
out with safety tips, you always say you do start out.
So let's, for those who have notyet had an opportunity to listen
to running scared, and ofcourse, we'll have the link in
show notes. And we encourageeverybody to listen. And even if
you're walking on a treadmill,or just cleaning the house, it's
just really fun, fun stuff. Isay it's fun stuff. I enjoy you.
I enjoy a good Blackwidow storyas much as the next gal. But um,
(11:17):
what are some of the tips yougive, though, as far as if
you're heading out by yourselffor a walk or run?
Christine (11:23):
Well, first and foremost, the number one thing
that I think everyone shouldtake into account very much what
you just said, Chris, is thatyou should have a way for
somebody to track you someonethat you love that you hold
dear, that knows you. And theyshould be able to know where
you're heading, or when toexpect you back. That's like the
number one thing that I say. Soplease friends, if you're
listening in, put that into youreveryday practice. Now, even for
(11:44):
you and I where we tend to gofor a run with a GPS watch, we
have all sorts of additionaltechnologies for those purposes
to assist. So if you aren'tfamiliar with it, and you are an
avid outdoor exerciser, pleasedo look into maybe all the
technology, those wearables thatyou have as a way to keep
yourself a little safer. But youcan always go old school where
you just let somebody know whereyou're going to go and what time
(12:06):
that you should be back.
Unknown (12:08):
And I also think, not just murderous crime podcasts or
TV shows, but like the sherryPapini case where it was a
mother who faked her ownkidnapping. I also find that
people find those storiesfascinating because you're like,
Who would do that? And so youcan't get enough of that, like a
(12:28):
story like that where someonefakes it, and thinks they can
get away with it with the policeor whoever. So I think there's
so many different variations oftrue crime that people are
fascinated. What's beenyour favorite? Oh, goodness.
Christine (12:43):
Eden without a doubt.
I love me. Some lady killers. Idon't know what it is. I don't
know what it is. But just as youmentioned, Chris, I cannot
resist I just go down the rabbithole. And I'm like, But why and
how and how did they get anotherguy to date them? I know some
incredible women who can't seemto find dates. And clearly if
you just like, go a littlecookie and kill a few guys,
(13:05):
that's all you need to callback.
Unknown (13:09):
I have found my person.
I know.
I don't know what's been keepingyou apart. So
I'm thinking of rabbit holes,though, that that's the funniest
thing. It used to be where you'dwatch like a Dateline. But now
you'll watch the dateline thengo on to the podcast and listen
to the same thing you justwatched. And it's you feel like
(13:29):
you're going down a rabbit holelike how many different ways can
I hear? You know, she killed hekill you know what I mean? But
you do it, you do it. You loveit, you go from one to another
to another. So it's fascinating.
Now I did love cereal, the adNan case, I did love that. And
I'm still reeling over the factthat he's out. But you know what
that thing that was the biggesttakeaway. And I've shared this
(13:52):
over and over again, because Ifeel like it's the most true
thing ever, especially with amemory like mine. If you ask
somebody what they did, threeweeks ago, if they can take you
through their entire day, theycommitted a murder on that day,
because most people can'tremember no yesterday, let alone
three weeks ago, while at twoo'clock I left this anomalous.
They were burying a body in themiddle of all right, you don't
(14:13):
remember the day. And so I waslike, when I was listening to
that. I was like, This truly isa great lesson in psychology.
And also, there are cameraseverywhere. And people just seem
to forget that. Like, they justforget that there's cameras
coming out of the grocery store.
There's cameras, and then theyget them in there and they go we
got cameras like oops, you know,I mean, it's like silly things.
(14:35):
You know what I mean?
Christine (14:39):
It's fascinating that we're finding is that you're not
gonna hear as much of those truecrime cases where they're as
unsolved as they were in thepast, kind of like Adnan may
have been one of those lastfinal things where it is kind of
hard to extricate a lot ofdetails because nowadays, like
you said, you can't really goout your front door without you
can't go out, I think intoanother room without echo
knowing where you're at oranything of that right so
(15:00):
Technology has definitely helpedin that barrier, or that
obstacle that I think thatpolice may have had or
investigators may have had. I'mcurious though, because clearly
you do know your stuff. Who isyour favorite obsession
recently?
Unknown (15:12):
I would have to say it's the Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix
show. And I also have alreadywatched conversations with
Jeffrey Dahmer, where he tellsus and you know, everyone's
really upset about it. They'relike, You shouldn't be
glamorizing. I don't feel it wasglamorizing what I took away
from the whole entire thing isthat he could have been stopped
(15:35):
so much sooner. But nobody tookthe people seriously, that were
telling the police of course, itwas a different generation a
different time. But that's thewhole thing I took away and also
when you have kids, you know,they don't remember the Ted
Bundy. They don't because theyweren't young men. And I think
(15:56):
these are things that shouldnever be forgotten in my mind. I
mean, I really don't I think youlearn lessons from each of these
tragedies for yourself or yourchildren. And also just its
history. In my opinion,I felt that way about the Ted
Bundy Aiden's it. Did
Christine (16:14):
you check it out? Oh, I
Unknown (16:15):
haven't. No, I haven't haven't seen the Dahmer yet. But
what I was gonna say was whenZac Efron played, Ted Bundy,
people were very upset that theywould have somebody so gorgeous
and charismatic. But that's whatI did like about it, because I
thought, and I only saw parts ofit, to be honest. But what I did
like about it was that like, Mydaughter, for example, could see
that there could be someone,like, it's very hard to say no
to somebody who looks like thatand acts like that, and is so
(16:38):
charismatic. And not every massmurderer is going to be
disgusting. You know, just toshow you that it can you can be
taken in by somebody. Right, soeasily.
Right. And I yeah, I have alsohad
Christine (16:55):
yet to find someone who's actually overtly scary,
like they took for the most partlook like regular humans. So I
mean, I say that we're regularhumans that don't have rages. So
yeah, there is, there's no doubtabout
Unknown (17:08):
well, also, I mean, you teach your kids to be polite,
right? You're like, be polite,if a stranger needs. But in
these instances, you learn whensomeone comes up to you, and
they have a broken arm, and theywant help get it. Do not do
that. I mean, you don't have tobe polite. I've taught my own
kids this, use that inner selfin here, listen to what your
(17:30):
insides tell you. If you feellike I really shouldn't be doing
this, don't do it just to bepolite.
Christine (17:38):
I think you just nailed something. That's why I
feel women gravitate towardsthis genre more so than ever, we
have very good instincts for themost part. And yet we tend to
because it was something youwere raised with being proper,
and sweet and kind and very,very polite, that we tend to
kind of put that aside becausewe don't want to be perceived as
(17:58):
a mean person or a mean girl orsomeone who would shun anyone.
And unfortunately, that's notalways the most appropriate way
of staying alive. In today'sdays.
Unknown (18:08):
That is true. That is true. What has been the response
to you, Christine? Coach,Christina, I'll call you what
has been the response thatyou've gotten from people not
that are not true crimeaficionados, not the enthusiast.
And I'm gonna guess that therehas to be a couple of dudes out
there to like you. I'm sorry.
What now? Yeah,
Christine (18:28):
you know, I don't have I can't think of any guys
that have reached out to me. So.
Unknown (18:33):
Oh, just to say yeah, I love it. Yeah,
Christine (18:35):
no, not one. So clearly, I'm not going to have a
really big testosterone heavyfanclub and that's okay, because
I have found my people, so it'sanybody who wants to talk about
this. I tend to find folks thataren't necessarily big True
Crime fans, as you've likelynoticed it and I, I don't get
into the graphic details. I keepit a little lighter. I'm very
cognizant and most people thatare doing this, if they're
(18:57):
running outside, it can be alittle scary enough on its own.
So I try to keep it a littlelighter. Which is probably
another reason why I'vegravitated so much to the
mysticism murder and mayhem thatI love right now that's going
on, because it's not quite ascreepy for me.
Unknown (19:13):
I do enjoy the delight sometimes that you'll Express
and it'll be over something soyou know just what would drive
this person or you will speakyour color like Miss thang will
Little Miss Little Miss so andso just couldn't let that go by
without taking it into our ownhands. And what it reminds
Christine (19:30):
me of the one case where it's like she starts to
decorate her home. She's nestingwhich is really horrible, right?
We all want to we get married ina new relationship. You start
nesting, but she's nesting andshe's decorating her home with
like, animal fur trappings andlike skulls of dead animals or
her blades. She was very proudof her butcher knives. She
(19:51):
displayed them probably over thebed. I mean, so were we not
surprised cuz like she was, shewas literally advertising what
was to come? I'm just thinking,Where did she not think about
the red flags there?
Unknown (20:07):
Well, I also think because I was listening to yours
on the Lizzie Borden. This goesback, you know, for ever, where
people still talk about LizzieBorden. And it doesn't matter
how long ago it was. It kind ofgets new life every now and
then. I don't know if it's DNA,something happens where they
(20:29):
think they've cracked some code.
But I think this has been goingon forever. It's just now we
have Netflix. Right. And we havepodcasts. So I think this has
been going on for a really longtime, the fascination with why
people do the things they do.
Christine (20:46):
You nailed it, because on the Lizzie Borden
case, what kind of came to mindfor me specifically was after
that murder happened, thethrongs of people that actually
surrounded the Lizzie Bordenhome was so much so that people
couldn't get in or out, thepolice had to kind of help to
try to like navigate and pushback the crowds. And that's not
something that you think aboutwhen you think of like a
(21:06):
historical murder, you kind ofsee a stodgy or boring or very
black light and sepia tone. Butit was just as captivating to
people back then as it is to ustoday. We'll look at the fact
that there's that that's sillysong, Lizzie Borden, took an axe
gave her mother 40 whacks whenshe saw what she had done, she
gave her father 41. And you knowthat, that speaks to the fact
(21:29):
that people were finding thehumor, even though there could
not be anything less funny thanthis girl doing what she did.
But people I guess, maybe it's acoping mechanism. But that's,
that's basically what happened.
People were delighted and wantedto sing about it, or just use it
as a it was a nursery rhyme likeit
Unknown (21:52):
was some kind of thing, which is very disturbing. So
disturbing
Christine (21:57):
it I think we do have a 10 to a tendency to kind of
deal with the McCobb by adding alittle bit of levity to it or at
least that's definitely how Ideal with it. So I think that's
an interesting I personallychanged up that little nursery
rhyme if you listen to my LizzieBorden case, I finished it with
what I feel should be a nurseryrhyme that we move forward with.
(22:19):
From this day and age now thatwe know more details about the
fact that she really actuallywas acquainted she was with me
know if she did or did not doit. So
Unknown (22:26):
yep. And I have to ask you being the tried and true
crime person, were you did youfelt validated when Saturday
Night Live did their parody oftrue crime? For all of us true
crime errs out there? I feltlike they know me so well.
Are you familiar with that?
Christine (22:45):
I haven't actually seen it but I was gonna say it's
uncanny. Oh, many people youknow me, I feel like it. Do you
understand that I hear I see allof like the merchandise where
it's like, Don't interrupt me.
I'm listening to my true crimepodcast, which is pretty much
true. Like I don't want to beinterrupted when I have my
headphones in because I amreally into the case or the fact
that I fall asleep. I thinkthere's one that kind of cracks
me up and it says something tothe effect of a glass of wine in
(23:07):
bed by nine after watching mymurder shows or something like
that. It's like that's prettymuch mean. Did you just come to
my house and see what I do everynight? Right?
Unknown (23:17):
It's so funny to me.
It's so funny. Do you can do youremember your Lizzie Borden? Now
nursery rhyme by the way, I'dlove to hear oh my
Christine (23:24):
goodness. Oh, it had to do with her legal team. She
had what? What did the fellowpodcaster a podcast that I would
aspire to be like said to thefact that she had the dream team
before we know of the Dream Teamlike the original? Yeah,
certainly was absolutelystellar. They were able to get
evidence dismissed from the casein a way that really could be
(23:45):
said that helped her beacquitted within an hour and a
half. So I don't know anuncluttered and unfiltered how
unfiltered we're allowed to getwe're unfiltered. something to
the effect of if your legal teamis the shit then your jury will
acquit acquit happened to her Ikind of as I'm listening to
(24:06):
this, it reminded me of againanother true crime case. I guess
you could say to this day OJSimpson. Do you guys not still
remember where you were? Whenthe camera was dry? I remember
exactly where I was watching.
Every single time you clickedfor that case,
Unknown (24:22):
every minute I would had a newborn baby. So I had all
the time in the world. And Iwould rock and listen to the
Dream Team and OJ and MarciaClark do their thing. And yes, I
remember every bit of it. Thereare just some things you just
about true crime or crime ingeneral. You just don't forget.
It's amazing and also amazing tome, is when you get the behind
(24:45):
the scenes on the strategieslike that the attorneys will use
or the interrogators. I love agood see now this is where we're
different. So you love the wholeTrue Crime phenomenon. I love a
good interrogation. I can godown the rabbit hole on it. Like
the methods where they'll say tothe husband, so if we catch this
guy What should we do to him andthen they use that against him
(25:07):
when they finally prove himguilty well you yourself said
that we should string you up youknow? So I love the
interrogation part of it butlook at this so we set out to
talk with you chat with you 1015minutes and now we're about 23
minutes in and it could I coulddo this all day listen to the
two of you go back and forth.
Perfect murder weapon Christine.
Christine (25:27):
Christine My goodness. Well now I'm hearing
about this new phenomenon ofanti freezing Gatorade so I'm
assuming that would be a greatquestion.
Unknown (25:36):
Yeah, I remember I read the book The Lovely Bones and
they said it was an iciclebecause it would melt and the
new thing is I dropped I droppedthey are useful if you put them
in coffee or food or lethal andI had heard of
Christine (25:50):
that time ago I know that usually makes you very ill
your body will reject it but Ididn't know that it would
actually potentially put youunder
Unknown (25:58):
I just never thought eye drops could do that. Make a
damn I feellike maybe a disclaimer Listen,
I don't do these things or don'tdo anything don't murder don't
do it obviously don't do it butbut delight in it when you're
exercising and making yourselfstronger and healthier with
running scared tell. Well, we'llhave in our show notes. A couple
(26:20):
of things. We'll have therunning scared podcast in our
show notes of course. And wewill have that Saturday Night
Live skit Yeah, in our shownotes the link to that so you
can watch that. What else can wetell everybody about you?
Christine? What can we tell ourthis
Christine (26:35):
oh my goodness well first of all again, thank you so
much. I think you can basicallytake away that I am definitely
down for a true crimeconversation that anytime so
friends wanted to come join overin the Facebook community page
with running started coachChristine, you can you could
talk to all of your fellow TrueCrime enthusiast because well it
just never ends the conversationalways is never it's possible to
(26:57):
open up another door or anothertheory. However, I also want to
tell my folks all aboutuncluttered unfiltered so I'm
gonna have that in my show notesas well if I keep going through
my mind how that both of youdeal with I would assume
frustrations of life verydifferently Christine you have
everything nicely organized Edenyou and I have a lot in common
and that we consider ourselvesmore like that hot mess Express
(27:18):
but you go out for a run youstay physically active. So it
comes to mind is that when we'relistening to both of you on your
show, is that you guys haveheard great coping mechanism
mechanisms so that you don'tbecome a true crime podcast
subject anytime soon.
Unknown (27:34):
And possible. Yeah.
Probably be if anyone was to trythe other one crazy it would be
have to be me driving Christinecrazy because she is like, like,
you can probably tell verypolished, very organized just an
eye. If you go in my car rightnow you might find who knows
what I mean, name something.
It's like, let's make a deal inthere.
(27:56):
And for Eaton, if she ever goesmissing, who do you think's
going to be finding her? Who'sgoing to know every single
thing? Every clue? It'll be herfriend, Christina.
Yeah, yeah, that's it. So
Christine (28:08):
my friends, it sounds like we've got the dream team
over here, right here with us.
Right? Yes.
Unknown (28:14):
But but just a quick, a quick update. What we like to
say, though, is that, you know,I'm 56. Christine is 60, nearly
60. And so we like to say thatour podcast, which does deal
with organizational tips, aswell as just anything that life
throws our way we talk about it.
We like to say that any age iswelcome. But if you're over 50,
you have found your people. Soif you are over 50, and you're a
(28:36):
true crime junkie. Now you havemore people. Yes. So let's all
be each other's people outthere.
Christine (28:43):
Although I'm not over 50 yet. I'm right around the
corner and let me know you'renot absolutely love the podcast,
I think you're gonna have tolower the age entry into this
because I'm pretty sure thatlike, Oh, where do you end up
and maybe even 30? And up couldtotally get some really great.
Unknown (28:59):
Oh, wait, thank you.
We've been hearing that we havebeen hearing a lot. But then
then sometimes we'll launch intolike, our Woe is me. Our knees
are wrinkled andour outstand, our Boomer
situation. And then people arelike,
Oh, real quick, real quick,because I gotta get this story
out whether you use it on yours,or we don't I don't know. But so
we made this. This is just toshow you, we did a whole episode
(29:21):
on how technology can elude usand how we're just boomers that
way. And we can't keep track.
And at the beginning of startingthis podcast, I had gone on and
said, Listen, if you want toleave us a voice note that we
can play on our show, just go toInstagram or Facebook, there's a
little microphone in themessages and just leave us a
message. So and Chris says, Idon't know, you know, we're
saying 50 And maybe people won'tbe able to figure that out. That
(29:42):
sounds like it could getconfusing. Maybe we don't do
that. So we did it on the firstepisode and then never again.
The other day she texted me andsaid have you checked her
Instagram messages lately? Andlike I don't know how to do
that. She goes, there's like 10voice he will we're doing it but
we just Here I am saying do it.
She's saying don't do it andneither of us know how to check
(30:03):
it. So anyway, yeah, that's thewe struggle.
That's why we struggle withsaying anything below 50
Christine (30:10):
Again, I'm still trying to figure it out. So I
write I have found some Gen z'sin my life to help me see the
way because I say exactly that's
Unknown (30:20):
what I said you find a Gen Z, a millennial your your
golden
Christine (30:25):
one is annual. So I don't know if you really want my
target demographic. Let's let'sget a couple of Gen Z's here on
the crowd to help us out.
Unknown (30:33):
Is that what it's called when you're 42? Is no
deal.
Christine (30:35):
I'm calling it is Daniel. It's my crib room where
the Generation X and millennialshave definitely traits of both
so I could talk generationalmost as long as I could talk
about True Crime my friend so Idon't know if we want to go down
that rabbit hole.
Unknown (30:50):
Well, I think we've, we've overused our studio time
for sure. So we're gonna let yougo and we're gonna go and our
friend coach Christine Hetzel,running scared podcast, he won't
let us give you our goodbye. Wewould love for you to be able to
let it go. And don't look back
Christine (31:06):
and don't murder people. Friend, I hope that you
enjoy that conversation as muchas I did. So again, I'm going to
ask you check out episode notes.
We are going to link theuncluttered and unfiltered
podcast, go check them out. Gojoin their Facebook community
page. Of course, show them somelove by subscribing, rating,
interviewing, and friend. If youhaven't yet, please join the
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talking about the things thatbring you the extra little bit
of joy, true crime, Murder,Mayhem, and of course, lots and
lots of miles. Thanks again forjoining and for running scared
with Coach Christine, organizer,Christine and even
Hey friends, welcome to running scared. I'm
Coach Christine, a level tworrca and a run, walk run
certified coach. And if you arelike me, you enjoy your crime.
You enjoy getting out for a run,walk or workout session. So
welcome. You have found yourcorner of the internet, and
we're likely going to bebesties. Friends today is a
(00:23):
super, super unique and I am soexcited for this particular
conversation. We're not going tohave a structured workout. So
hopefully you're moving yourbody, you're feeling good,
you're getting a little bit ofthat glow those endorphins. You
are however going to meet someincredible women that are surely
(00:43):
going to be your besties aswell. So on today's episode,
you're going to get a chance tohear from Eden and Christine and
if you're wondering, okay,that's your name. No another
Christine. These two fabulouswomen are coming to us from
uncluttered and unfiltered thepodcast with their catchphrase a
(01:06):
let it go and don't look back.
That's the mantra that theyshare together. And Christina
and Eden are, as they describepolar opposites. Christine just
turned 60. She's a professionalorganizer, and she creates
spaces that are streamlined andefficient. And guess what she
loves to climb to. I mean, thisgirl knows her true crime stuff
like I have her on speed dialfor if and when
(01:34):
anything goes down. She knowshow to dispose of the body, I'm
pretty sure about it. And thenwe've got Eaton who is
absolutely just a bubbly,glowing, avid runner. So I know
that you are going to enjoy thisconversation, hopefully even
just 1/10 As much as I did, thentrust me, you're going to have a
(01:55):
fabulous day because it was somuch fun to get to sit down and
talk to these incredible,incredible women. I am going to
ask you to check them out. Checkout uncluttered and unfiltered
and join their facebook grouppage. They just lower the age
limit 40 and above and you'remore than welcome to go and join
(02:17):
them. Great conversations. Ithink I was even able to learn
that there's certain emojis thatI've been using the art so
yesterday to kids even say thatanymore. Well, without further
ado, my friends. Let's get rightto it get moving and put that
smile on your face. And thenlet's hear from Eden and
Christine. Who it is a specialHalloween bonus edition of
(02:41):
either filter so excited. I knowyou die a happy moment actually
could be your birthday edition.
Eden (02:49):
This is so exciting for me. So I have a couple of
Christine's in my life. And I'vegot Christine stone neatly
designed organizer. And thenthere's Christine coach
Christine Hetzel, who has themost unique podcast I think very
unique and what it is and yousee her now There she is. Hello,
my dear. Hello, Eden. Hello,Christine. Thank you guys so
(03:10):
much for having me on. I have tobe honest, as I was doing my
makeup and listening to yourrecent episodes, like I'm doing
it all wrong, clearly.
Christine Stone (03:19):
You know what?
That's isn't that the beautyabout podcasts? No. But let me
give you a little bit ofbackground on my end. And parts
of this are most of this you'regoing to be able to hear on
either of the two podcasts areuncluttered, and unfiltered. And
I'm running scared. But let megive you a little bit of a
background on how I know,Christine Hetzel. So there was
an app called charge running,which was like the most fun
thing ever, and there was a livecoaching. And you would put on
(03:42):
your earbuds and you'd go for arun and you would actually be
live and there'd be a coach at amicrophone probably looking kind
of like the way I'm looking likeChristine's looking right now.
And she, by the way, I'm justI'm going to call you Chris
Chris Stone, Christine stone.
And you Christine, becauseotherwise I'm going to call you
murder Chris.
Unknown (04:03):
Nate Christine, and I don't think that's good. So
anyway, she would be the coachin my ear. And she's so
uplifting in a beat and sparkly.
But then she's got this darkside, right so she loves true
crime.
Oh, I heard her podcast i iloved it.
So what she has now done iscombined the running coaching
(04:24):
with the true crime love it. Sowhen you're out for a run, you
get to hear these stories. Andin the meantime, she'll be like,
Alright, let's take it down to awalk.
Christine (04:36):
Session like well, and then they discovered a bunch
of bodies now we're just gonnachill a little bit for a walk or
bump up the pace. But yeah, ithas definitely been in quite
interesting in marriage of thetwo loves. There's no doubt on
that. I myself listen to a lotof true crime when I got for
rent, so it felt very naturalprogression for me. So I enjoy
every aspect of spookiness and Iassume, Chris You're not just a
(05:00):
true crime fan, if you loveHalloween, you're just a spooky
fan all the way around.
Unknown (05:05):
I am a true crime fanatic. I mean, I can't tell
you, my husband said thismorning, you must be just giddy.
I have watched every true time Ivideotaped Dateline, 48 hours
and 2020. So I could skipthrough the commercials. And I
(05:25):
am fascinated by the fascinationof true crime. I mean, everybody
is talking about the Dahmerdocumentary or, you know, made
for Netflix show and the otherone, the documentary. So I am
fascinated by why people are sofascinated. And I've come to the
conclusion, in my mind, it'sbecause you never think this
(05:49):
could happen to you. So you'rekind of just looking through
someone else's eyes or what'sgoing on in someone else's life.
Christine (05:58):
So that's fascinating. Actually, there's a
lot of research about it.
Because as you mentioned,there's been a tons of emphasis
on true crime from aspecifically podcasting world
specific. I mean, if you thinkback to what really propelled
podcasting to what it is today,for me, it's hands down cereal,
cereal, just kind of came ontothe scene and just blew the lid
off of investigative journalism,podcasting, it felt very
(06:21):
intimate, and you kind of weretaken on this journey the entire
time that you absolutely loved.
So from that, it's just grownand grown in this audio form,
which I love. But the researchindicates that women are the
primary audience for true crime,by and large, and I don't know
about you guys, but the fellowsjust don't get it. Like they
(06:43):
just don't understand why we'reso riveted by it.
Unknown (06:46):
My husband has walked in the room more times and said,
How many of these can you watchwhere either he killed her or
she killed him? How many timesand I'm like, it's, it's to me,
and I've heard this before onother podcasts. It's kind of
relaxing. It's like I come home.
And I hear you know, KeithMorrison, Josh Mankiewicz,
(07:08):
whoever it is, and I'm like, andI literally, it puts me to
sleep. And I've heard so manyother women say the same thing.
It's like a sedative. It'sunbelievable.
Christine (07:22):
You're absolutely right. I can't tell you how
often I will fall asleep whenI'm researching my cases, just
because it's it is very relaxingto me. So the research
indicated. By the way, everyone,my friends, if you end up seeing
this on the YouTube channel ofunquote, uncluttered and
unfiltered you'll get to seethat even may not be quite as
big of a fan as the Chris andChristie are here.
Unknown (07:45):
i Okay, so I'll be honest with you, the only true
crime I listened to is runningscared because I love you. And I
love to hear your voice when Irun. And so you could read me
the phone book, and I'd beperfectly happy with it. But as
far as No, it's not my way ofrelaxing and unwinding at all.
In fact, this Chris my Chrisjust said to me, just in
(08:07):
passing, why does everybody wantto put any breeze in Gatorade?
And I was like, What? No,I go, you know, everyone, it's
undetectable. You can't tasteit. She goes how do you know
that? I go. I listen to allthese shows. Did
you know that Christine,
Christine (08:23):
I have come across that a little bit myself. But I
think again, or Chris you you'vegot you may have the film but
we're calling you girlfriend ifwe ever need to dispose a body
because you seem to have a lotof information there.
Unknown (08:37):
And I'm married to a criminal defense lawyer and I'll
say you know, with if yousprained lumenal it'll come up
the blood will show it'll it'llbe like lightning in a room and
he's like, how did you knowthat? I'm like,
kill him you will never you andhave a lawyer. Right?
Christine (08:55):
I think you you specifically nailed it as to why
people are so attracted to it itis because it does help to kind
of peel back the unknown in thein the fear that we may have
around certain things. And onceyou get to know that fear, it's
kind of like tackling any fearthat you may have be it heights
or, you know, scary creepythings that a haunted house, it
helps to maybe put a face to thefear so you're not quite as
(09:16):
frightened is definitely one ofthe theories as to why people
are so fascinated by true crime.
I personally love the psyche.
Like what happened. I keepthinking this was somebody who
literally needed a professionalorganizer for life because they
had too much damn cluttereverywhere. And they just they
were so frustrated that theypossibly just were they were
driven to to maybe act out thosemurderous urges that I don't
(09:40):
know about you guys I definitelycan have when I'm looking
through my makeup drawer.
Unknown (09:44):
When I'm hearing you say is it true? Well, time trip
to IKEA could save a life. Yeah,they would only if they would
only have organized there. I'mpretty profitable,
I also think is the mother ofdaughters. I mean, I don't know
about if you have daughters, butI am constantly texting them. Oh
my gosh. You know, don't dothis. Don't do that. You know if
(10:07):
you're ever locked in a trunkyou need to do this. I mean
constantly because I'm learningfrom these things always have
your Find My iPhone so I canfind you. You know, I mean, to
me, it's like a learning lessonto give your children because
they're so I love them. Butthey're so naive because they're
so young, and they don't thinkanything bad could ever happen
(10:27):
to them. So I'm always like,last night on Dateline, this
girl she was walking alone,never walk alone. You know what
I mean? Yes. Yeah,
Christine (10:35):
that's actually one of the things as well as people
want to know, like, what theyshould do learn a little bit
more about it, I actually end upmost of my podcast episodes with
lessons that I take away fromthat particular story, we
usually do a little tongue incheek to lighten it up. But you
also start
Unknown (10:52):
out with safety tips, you always say you do start out.
So let's, for those who have notyet had an opportunity to listen
to running scared, and ofcourse, we'll have the link in
show notes. And we encourageeverybody to listen. And even if
you're walking on a treadmill,or just cleaning the house, it's
just really fun, fun stuff. Isay it's fun stuff. I enjoy you.
I enjoy a good Blackwidow storyas much as the next gal. But um,
(11:17):
what are some of the tips yougive, though, as far as if
you're heading out by yourselffor a walk or run?
Christine (11:23):
Well, first and foremost, the number one thing
that I think everyone shouldtake into account very much what
you just said, Chris, is thatyou should have a way for
somebody to track you someonethat you love that you hold
dear, that knows you. And theyshould be able to know where
you're heading, or when toexpect you back. That's like the
number one thing that I say. Soplease friends, if you're
listening in, put that into youreveryday practice. Now, even for
(11:44):
you and I where we tend to gofor a run with a GPS watch, we
have all sorts of additionaltechnologies for those purposes
to assist. So if you aren'tfamiliar with it, and you are an
avid outdoor exerciser, pleasedo look into maybe all the
technology, those wearables thatyou have as a way to keep
yourself a little safer. But youcan always go old school where
you just let somebody know whereyou're going to go and what time
(12:06):
that you should be back.
Unknown (12:08):
And I also think, not just murderous crime podcasts or
TV shows, but like the sherryPapini case where it was a
mother who faked her ownkidnapping. I also find that
people find those storiesfascinating because you're like,
Who would do that? And so youcan't get enough of that, like a
(12:28):
story like that where someonefakes it, and thinks they can
get away with it with the policeor whoever. So I think there's
so many different variations oftrue crime that people are
fascinated. What's beenyour favorite? Oh, goodness.
Christine (12:43):
Eden without a doubt.
I love me. Some lady killers. Idon't know what it is. I don't
know what it is. But just as youmentioned, Chris, I cannot
resist I just go down the rabbithole. And I'm like, But why and
how and how did they get anotherguy to date them? I know some
incredible women who can't seemto find dates. And clearly if
you just like, go a littlecookie and kill a few guys,
(13:05):
that's all you need to callback.
Unknown (13:09):
I have found my person.
I know.
I don't know what's been keepingyou apart. So
I'm thinking of rabbit holes,though, that that's the funniest
thing. It used to be where you'dwatch like a Dateline. But now
you'll watch the dateline thengo on to the podcast and listen
to the same thing you justwatched. And it's you feel like
(13:29):
you're going down a rabbit holelike how many different ways can
I hear? You know, she killed hekill you know what I mean? But
you do it, you do it. You loveit, you go from one to another
to another. So it's fascinating.
Now I did love cereal, the adNan case, I did love that. And
I'm still reeling over the factthat he's out. But you know what
that thing that was the biggesttakeaway. And I've shared this
(13:52):
over and over again, because Ifeel like it's the most true
thing ever, especially with amemory like mine. If you ask
somebody what they did, threeweeks ago, if they can take you
through their entire day, theycommitted a murder on that day,
because most people can'tremember no yesterday, let alone
three weeks ago, while at twoo'clock I left this anomalous.
They were burying a body in themiddle of all right, you don't
(14:13):
remember the day. And so I waslike, when I was listening to
that. I was like, This truly isa great lesson in psychology.
And also, there are cameraseverywhere. And people just seem
to forget that. Like, they justforget that there's cameras
coming out of the grocery store.
There's cameras, and then theyget them in there and they go we
got cameras like oops, you know,I mean, it's like silly things.
(14:35):
You know what I mean?
Christine (14:39):
It's fascinating that we're finding is that you're not
gonna hear as much of those truecrime cases where they're as
unsolved as they were in thepast, kind of like Adnan may
have been one of those lastfinal things where it is kind of
hard to extricate a lot ofdetails because nowadays, like
you said, you can't really goout your front door without you
can't go out, I think intoanother room without echo
knowing where you're at oranything of that right so
(15:00):
Technology has definitely helpedin that barrier, or that
obstacle that I think thatpolice may have had or
investigators may have had. I'mcurious though, because clearly
you do know your stuff. Who isyour favorite obsession
recently?
Unknown (15:12):
I would have to say it's the Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix
show. And I also have alreadywatched conversations with
Jeffrey Dahmer, where he tellsus and you know, everyone's
really upset about it. They'relike, You shouldn't be
glamorizing. I don't feel it wasglamorizing what I took away
from the whole entire thing isthat he could have been stopped
(15:35):
so much sooner. But nobody tookthe people seriously, that were
telling the police of course, itwas a different generation a
different time. But that's thewhole thing I took away and also
when you have kids, you know,they don't remember the Ted
Bundy. They don't because theyweren't young men. And I think
(15:56):
these are things that shouldnever be forgotten in my mind. I
mean, I really don't I think youlearn lessons from each of these
tragedies for yourself or yourchildren. And also just its
history. In my opinion,I felt that way about the Ted
Bundy Aiden's it. Did
Christine (16:14):
you check it out? Oh, I
Unknown (16:15):
haven't. No, I haven't haven't seen the Dahmer yet. But
what I was gonna say was whenZac Efron played, Ted Bundy,
people were very upset that theywould have somebody so gorgeous
and charismatic. But that's whatI did like about it, because I
thought, and I only saw parts ofit, to be honest. But what I did
like about it was that like, Mydaughter, for example, could see
that there could be someone,like, it's very hard to say no
to somebody who looks like thatand acts like that, and is so
(16:38):
charismatic. And not every massmurderer is going to be
disgusting. You know, just toshow you that it can you can be
taken in by somebody. Right, soeasily.
Right. And I yeah, I have alsohad
Christine (16:55):
yet to find someone who's actually overtly scary,
like they took for the most partlook like regular humans. So I
mean, I say that we're regularhumans that don't have rages. So
yeah, there is, there's no doubtabout
Unknown (17:08):
well, also, I mean, you teach your kids to be polite,
right? You're like, be polite,if a stranger needs. But in
these instances, you learn whensomeone comes up to you, and
they have a broken arm, and theywant help get it. Do not do
that. I mean, you don't have tobe polite. I've taught my own
kids this, use that inner selfin here, listen to what your
(17:30):
insides tell you. If you feellike I really shouldn't be doing
this, don't do it just to bepolite.
Christine (17:38):
I think you just nailed something. That's why I
feel women gravitate towardsthis genre more so than ever, we
have very good instincts for themost part. And yet we tend to
because it was something youwere raised with being proper,
and sweet and kind and very,very polite, that we tend to
kind of put that aside becausewe don't want to be perceived as
(17:58):
a mean person or a mean girl orsomeone who would shun anyone.
And unfortunately, that's notalways the most appropriate way
of staying alive. In today'sdays.
Unknown (18:08):
That is true. That is true. What has been the response
to you, Christine? Coach,Christina, I'll call you what
has been the response thatyou've gotten from people not
that are not true crimeaficionados, not the enthusiast.
And I'm gonna guess that therehas to be a couple of dudes out
there to like you. I'm sorry.
What now? Yeah,
Christine (18:28):
you know, I don't have I can't think of any guys
that have reached out to me. So.
Unknown (18:33):
Oh, just to say yeah, I love it. Yeah,
Christine (18:35):
no, not one. So clearly, I'm not going to have a
really big testosterone heavyfanclub and that's okay, because
I have found my people, so it'sanybody who wants to talk about
this. I tend to find folks thataren't necessarily big True
Crime fans, as you've likelynoticed it and I, I don't get
into the graphic details. I keepit a little lighter. I'm very
cognizant and most people thatare doing this, if they're
(18:57):
running outside, it can be alittle scary enough on its own.
So I try to keep it a littlelighter. Which is probably
another reason why I'vegravitated so much to the
mysticism murder and mayhem thatI love right now that's going
on, because it's not quite ascreepy for me.
Unknown (19:13):
I do enjoy the delight sometimes that you'll Express
and it'll be over something soyou know just what would drive
this person or you will speakyour color like Miss thang will
Little Miss Little Miss so andso just couldn't let that go by
without taking it into our ownhands. And what it reminds
Christine (19:30):
me of the one case where it's like she starts to
decorate her home. She's nestingwhich is really horrible, right?
We all want to we get married ina new relationship. You start
nesting, but she's nesting andshe's decorating her home with
like, animal fur trappings andlike skulls of dead animals or
her blades. She was very proudof her butcher knives. She
(19:51):
displayed them probably over thebed. I mean, so were we not
surprised cuz like she was, shewas literally advertising what
was to come? I'm just thinking,Where did she not think about
the red flags there?
Unknown (20:07):
Well, I also think because I was listening to yours
on the Lizzie Borden. This goesback, you know, for ever, where
people still talk about LizzieBorden. And it doesn't matter
how long ago it was. It kind ofgets new life every now and
then. I don't know if it's DNA,something happens where they
(20:29):
think they've cracked some code.
But I think this has been goingon forever. It's just now we
have Netflix. Right. And we havepodcasts. So I think this has
been going on for a really longtime, the fascination with why
people do the things they do.
Christine (20:46):
You nailed it, because on the Lizzie Borden
case, what kind of came to mindfor me specifically was after
that murder happened, thethrongs of people that actually
surrounded the Lizzie Bordenhome was so much so that people
couldn't get in or out, thepolice had to kind of help to
try to like navigate and pushback the crowds. And that's not
something that you think aboutwhen you think of like a
(21:06):
historical murder, you kind ofsee a stodgy or boring or very
black light and sepia tone. Butit was just as captivating to
people back then as it is to ustoday. We'll look at the fact
that there's that that's sillysong, Lizzie Borden, took an axe
gave her mother 40 whacks whenshe saw what she had done, she
gave her father 41. And you knowthat, that speaks to the fact
(21:29):
that people were finding thehumor, even though there could
not be anything less funny thanthis girl doing what she did.
But people I guess, maybe it's acoping mechanism. But that's,
that's basically what happened.
People were delighted and wantedto sing about it, or just use it
as a it was a nursery rhyme likeit
Unknown (21:52):
was some kind of thing, which is very disturbing. So
disturbing
Christine (21:57):
it I think we do have a 10 to a tendency to kind of
deal with the McCobb by adding alittle bit of levity to it or at
least that's definitely how Ideal with it. So I think that's
an interesting I personallychanged up that little nursery
rhyme if you listen to my LizzieBorden case, I finished it with
what I feel should be a nurseryrhyme that we move forward with.
(22:19):
From this day and age now thatwe know more details about the
fact that she really actuallywas acquainted she was with me
know if she did or did not doit. So
Unknown (22:26):
yep. And I have to ask you being the tried and true
crime person, were you did youfelt validated when Saturday
Night Live did their parody oftrue crime? For all of us true
crime errs out there? I feltlike they know me so well.
Are you familiar with that?
Christine (22:45):
I haven't actually seen it but I was gonna say it's
uncanny. Oh, many people youknow me, I feel like it. Do you
understand that I hear I see allof like the merchandise where
it's like, Don't interrupt me.
I'm listening to my true crimepodcast, which is pretty much
true. Like I don't want to beinterrupted when I have my
headphones in because I amreally into the case or the fact
that I fall asleep. I thinkthere's one that kind of cracks
me up and it says something tothe effect of a glass of wine in
(23:07):
bed by nine after watching mymurder shows or something like
that. It's like that's prettymuch mean. Did you just come to
my house and see what I do everynight? Right?
Unknown (23:17):
It's so funny to me.
It's so funny. Do you can do youremember your Lizzie Borden? Now
nursery rhyme by the way, I'dlove to hear oh my
Christine (23:24):
goodness. Oh, it had to do with her legal team. She
had what? What did the fellowpodcaster a podcast that I would
aspire to be like said to thefact that she had the dream team
before we know of the Dream Teamlike the original? Yeah,
certainly was absolutelystellar. They were able to get
evidence dismissed from the casein a way that really could be
(23:45):
said that helped her beacquitted within an hour and a
half. So I don't know anuncluttered and unfiltered how
unfiltered we're allowed to getwe're unfiltered. something to
the effect of if your legal teamis the shit then your jury will
acquit acquit happened to her Ikind of as I'm listening to
(24:06):
this, it reminded me of againanother true crime case. I guess
you could say to this day OJSimpson. Do you guys not still
remember where you were? Whenthe camera was dry? I remember
exactly where I was watching.
Every single time you clickedfor that case,
Unknown (24:22):
every minute I would had a newborn baby. So I had all
the time in the world. And Iwould rock and listen to the
Dream Team and OJ and MarciaClark do their thing. And yes, I
remember every bit of it. Thereare just some things you just
about true crime or crime ingeneral. You just don't forget.
It's amazing and also amazing tome, is when you get the behind
(24:45):
the scenes on the strategieslike that the attorneys will use
or the interrogators. I love agood see now this is where we're
different. So you love the wholeTrue Crime phenomenon. I love a
good interrogation. I can godown the rabbit hole on it. Like
the methods where they'll say tothe husband, so if we catch this
guy What should we do to him andthen they use that against him
(25:07):
when they finally prove himguilty well you yourself said
that we should string you up youknow? So I love the
interrogation part of it butlook at this so we set out to
talk with you chat with you 1015minutes and now we're about 23
minutes in and it could I coulddo this all day listen to the
two of you go back and forth.
Perfect murder weapon Christine.
Christine (25:27):
Christine My goodness. Well now I'm hearing
about this new phenomenon ofanti freezing Gatorade so I'm
assuming that would be a greatquestion.
Unknown (25:36):
Yeah, I remember I read the book The Lovely Bones and
they said it was an iciclebecause it would melt and the
new thing is I dropped I droppedthey are useful if you put them
in coffee or food or lethal andI had heard of
Christine (25:50):
that time ago I know that usually makes you very ill
your body will reject it but Ididn't know that it would
actually potentially put youunder
Unknown (25:58):
I just never thought eye drops could do that. Make a
damn I feellike maybe a disclaimer Listen,
I don't do these things or don'tdo anything don't murder don't
do it obviously don't do it butbut delight in it when you're
exercising and making yourselfstronger and healthier with
running scared tell. Well, we'llhave in our show notes. A couple
(26:20):
of things. We'll have therunning scared podcast in our
show notes of course. And wewill have that Saturday Night
Live skit Yeah, in our shownotes the link to that so you
can watch that. What else can wetell everybody about you?
Christine? What can we tell ourthis
Christine (26:35):
oh my goodness well first of all again, thank you so
much. I think you can basicallytake away that I am definitely
down for a true crimeconversation that anytime so
friends wanted to come join overin the Facebook community page
with running started coachChristine, you can you could
talk to all of your fellow TrueCrime enthusiast because well it
just never ends the conversationalways is never it's possible to
(26:57):
open up another door or anothertheory. However, I also want to
tell my folks all aboutuncluttered unfiltered so I'm
gonna have that in my show notesas well if I keep going through
my mind how that both of youdeal with I would assume
frustrations of life verydifferently Christine you have
everything nicely organized Edenyou and I have a lot in common
and that we consider ourselvesmore like that hot mess Express
(27:18):
but you go out for a run youstay physically active. So it
comes to mind is that when we'relistening to both of you on your
show, is that you guys haveheard great coping mechanism
mechanisms so that you don'tbecome a true crime podcast
subject anytime soon.
Unknown (27:34):
And possible. Yeah.
Probably be if anyone was to trythe other one crazy it would be
have to be me driving Christinecrazy because she is like, like,
you can probably tell verypolished, very organized just an
eye. If you go in my car rightnow you might find who knows
what I mean, name something.
It's like, let's make a deal inthere.
(27:56):
And for Eaton, if she ever goesmissing, who do you think's
going to be finding her? Who'sgoing to know every single
thing? Every clue? It'll be herfriend, Christina.
Yeah, yeah, that's it. So
Christine (28:08):
my friends, it sounds like we've got the dream team
over here, right here with us.
Right? Yes.
Unknown (28:14):
But but just a quick, a quick update. What we like to
say, though, is that, you know,I'm 56. Christine is 60, nearly
60. And so we like to say thatour podcast, which does deal
with organizational tips, aswell as just anything that life
throws our way we talk about it.
We like to say that any age iswelcome. But if you're over 50,
you have found your people. Soif you are over 50, and you're a
(28:36):
true crime junkie. Now you havemore people. Yes. So let's all
be each other's people outthere.
Christine (28:43):
Although I'm not over 50 yet. I'm right around the
corner and let me know you'renot absolutely love the podcast,
I think you're gonna have tolower the age entry into this
because I'm pretty sure thatlike, Oh, where do you end up
and maybe even 30? And up couldtotally get some really great.
Unknown (28:59):
Oh, wait, thank you.
We've been hearing that we havebeen hearing a lot. But then
then sometimes we'll launch intolike, our Woe is me. Our knees
are wrinkled andour outstand, our Boomer
situation. And then people arelike,
Oh, real quick, real quick,because I gotta get this story
out whether you use it on yours,or we don't I don't know. But so
we made this. This is just toshow you, we did a whole episode
(29:21):
on how technology can elude usand how we're just boomers that
way. And we can't keep track.
And at the beginning of startingthis podcast, I had gone on and
said, Listen, if you want toleave us a voice note that we
can play on our show, just go toInstagram or Facebook, there's a
little microphone in themessages and just leave us a
message. So and Chris says, Idon't know, you know, we're
saying 50 And maybe people won'tbe able to figure that out. That
(29:42):
sounds like it could getconfusing. Maybe we don't do
that. So we did it on the firstepisode and then never again.
The other day she texted me andsaid have you checked her
Instagram messages lately? Andlike I don't know how to do
that. She goes, there's like 10voice he will we're doing it but
we just Here I am saying do it.
She's saying don't do it andneither of us know how to check
(30:03):
it. So anyway, yeah, that's thewe struggle.
That's why we struggle withsaying anything below 50
Christine (30:10):
Again, I'm still trying to figure it out. So I
write I have found some Gen z'sin my life to help me see the
way because I say exactly that's
Unknown (30:20):
what I said you find a Gen Z, a millennial your your
golden
Christine (30:25):
one is annual. So I don't know if you really want my
target demographic. Let's let'sget a couple of Gen Z's here on
the crowd to help us out.
Unknown (30:33):
Is that what it's called when you're 42? Is no
deal.
Christine (30:35):
I'm calling it is Daniel. It's my crib room where
the Generation X and millennialshave definitely traits of both
so I could talk generationalmost as long as I could talk
about True Crime my friend so Idon't know if we want to go down
that rabbit hole.
Unknown (30:50):
Well, I think we've, we've overused our studio time
for sure. So we're gonna let yougo and we're gonna go and our
friend coach Christine Hetzel,running scared podcast, he won't
let us give you our goodbye. Wewould love for you to be able to
let it go. And don't look back
Christine (31:06):
and don't murder people. Friend, I hope that you
enjoy that conversation as muchas I did. So again, I'm going to
ask you check out episode notes.
We are going to link theuncluttered and unfiltered
podcast, go check them out. Gojoin their Facebook community
page. Of course, show them somelove by subscribing, rating,
interviewing, and friend. If youhaven't yet, please join the
(31:31):
running scared Facebookcommunity as well. We are always
talking about the things thatbring you the extra little bit
of joy, true crime, Murder,Mayhem, and of course, lots and
lots of miles. Thanks again forjoining and for running scared
with Coach Christine, organizer,Christine and even
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