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Christine (00:04):
Hey friends, welcome
to running scared. I'm Coach
Christine, I'm a level two RCAand a run, walk run certified
coach. And if you run with mebefore, you know how I roll
around here, I love me zoom tocrime, I love running, walking.
And sometimes it takes a littleextra motivation to get those
shoes laced up and out that doorjump on the treadmill. So that's
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where running scared came intoplay. I assume that you are like
me as well, my friend. Sowelcome. You have found your
corner of the internet and weare likely going to be besties
let's not waste any more time onthis jibber jabber let's get
right into today's workout. Andlet's make it nice and tall. The
strong walk in three, two, andone, my friends, we are going to
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do an active recovery workouttoday. So we're gonna keep it in
a strong strong walk or a verylight conversational pace jog.
We'll talk a little bit moreabout that as we progress here.
But more importantly, let's goover some really important notes
to take into consideration forgirls of whatever you do to move
your body today, I want you tobe tall, be proud, be confident
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in yourself. Stay relaxed bykeeping those shoulders down and
back and stay light on thosefeet. And because we are a true
crime fiends I know that ifyou're outdoors, you are being
very mindful of yoursurroundings, you have bright
visible clothing. And of courseyou let someone that you love
and trust. Know what time toexpect you back home. Or at the
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very least, you popped on maybeyour GPS watch so that someone
can keep track of you. If not goahead and shoot shoot that loved
one or friend a texts, let themknow that you're out for a run
or a walk. If you're inside on atreadmill or maybe another
cardio machine like a stairstepper elliptical, that's
awesome as well, you're stillgonna stay super tall, you're
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going to engage your core, andyou're gonna make sure that
you're not leaning on thosehandrails, you're not getting
too close to the display, reallybe mindful and intentional with
how your body is moving. If youaren't on treadmill, I'd like
you to bring that incline up to1% that helps to minimize the
impact on your joints, and helpsyou to mimic the outdoors.
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So, my friend today is gonna bea little bit different. Usually
I get into telling you some truecrime story cases and I am
absolutely obsessed with. Buttoday what we're gonna do is
we're gonna dive super deep intothe world of mistresses of
murder, and mayhem,specifically, female serial
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killers. If you were with mebefore, you know that my
favorite type of true crimecases is hands down serial
killers, but more so. I love methe lady killers. And if you're
thinking why well, it's for amyriad of reasons. Mainly, I
think it's because oftentimeswith female serial killers,
while they're just a sinister,while they're just as deadly.
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all intents and purposes, theyseem to be kind of trivialized a
little bit by the media, they'reperceived as not as frightening.
And sure that may indeed be thecase they aren't typically as
blood lusty as their malecounterparts. But if you dive
into it, you will see that thefemale serial killers oftentimes
have as many or more victims insome of their male serial
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counterparts. Yet for the mostpart, they aren't portrayed as
scary by the media. And moreoften than that, here's
specifically in the UnitedStates, they are less likely to
receive the death penalty. Nowwe're not going to discuss
whether or not I personally am afan of capital punishment.
That's a whole other topic for awhole another day, my friends,
but I do find it interestingthat for example, Kristen
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Gilbert, the angel of death thatI recently highlighted, she
actually killed more people thanlet's say Jeffrey Dahmer, but
she's virtually unknown. And Iget it her crimes weren't as
poorly they weren't assensationalized she didn't
disintegrate her victims andvats of acid. She didn't try to
keep them around as zombies. Butlet's be honest, she shot up her
patients with epinephrine andbasically cause their hearts to
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explode. She then coldly wouldcall a victim's family to
deliver the news of their loss.
She did this just to gainattention from a lover and even
once just because she wanted togo home early. Now if that is
not absolutely batshit crazy. Idon't know what it is. It's
cold. It's calculating, and inso many ways. It can even be
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said that it's more sinisterthan the acts that Jeffrey
Dahmer actually committed. AndI'm not just picking on her Miss
Angela's death over there. Let'sgo back to one of my other cases
I highlighted with Judy when Iknew she killed her child. I
mean her child that she fedpoison to so that she could
collect insurance money, andwhen he didn't die, she then
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when he was rendered as aninvalid and he was unable to
move she loaded her up in hercar under the guise of taking
him out for a nice day in acanoe trip and drowned him. She
killed her husbands boyfriendsin her own child. So again,
female serial killers are notquite as flashy, we don't see
tons of Netflix specials comingout about them. But trust me,
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friends. I'm not saying that Iwant equal pay for equal work
when it comes to serial killers.
But I am saying that if we divea little deeper into their
psyche, what makes them tick.
And also, let's say while theymay not be hacking folks up
there, nothing to be messedwith. So in today's workout,
we're going to use our timetogether. Again, like I said,
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for a really strong walk or aneasy recovery run. Let's get
right into it here. Nice andeasy in three, two. And one, I
will tell you a little bit moreabout what you can do during
this recovery run and why itwould be important to us so
these are the type of workoutsthat you would like to employ
through your training plan. Ifyou had a long run or a harder
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effort, maybe you went out forsome speed play or tempo, or you
hit the gym super hard. Maybeyou have lower body day or you
had a full body strengthtraining day and you're feeling
a little tense a little tight.
This is a great movement to getsome circulation going, let your
body warm up a little bit andstill allow you to have some of
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those great endorphins that weknow and love. And of course
Legally Blonde comes to mindhere. Endorphins give you like
happiness Happiness means thatnobody gets killed. I'm
paraphrasing that. All rightfriends, we use the RPE scale so
that RPE scale here is rate ofperceived effort from one to 10
one is easy peasy stroll. 10 isUber shows a murderer on the
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loose heading your way youbetter sprint for your life.
Today with this recovery, youwant to keep it around a two to
a four. So nice and easyconversational from start to
finish.
While you're moving andgrooving. Let's go ahead and
talk a bit more about while Ihad a little bit of a soapbox
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moment. I'm not gonna I'm notgonna be on my soapbox this
entire time. Throughout today'scase, I'm gonna give you some
really hardcore facts. And thenyou can decide what you feel
about female serial killers. Solet's go with the numbers right
out of the gate. How many serialkillers are actually women?
Well, when we look to the worldof academia to help answer this
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question in the book, femaleserial killers how and why women
become monsters. It's anonfiction True Crime history.
by Peter Bronski, a criminaljustice historian, we learned
that nearly one in six which isabout 16% of serial killers
apprehended in the UnitedStates, since 1820, was a
female, either acting alone oras a partner of a male or a
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female offender. Now Wronskigoes on to argue that contrary
to popular belief, female serialkillers prefer to murder their
male intimate or family members.
While recent data indicates thatcurrently female circulars
marginally prefer strangers asvictims and the historically in
the US 53% of females or killershad a murder at least one adult
male, female and 32% at leastone female child. I found that
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quite interesting. Because byand large, these murders,
especially serial murderers areusually at the hands of men but
16% of circulars being made upof women, that's nothing to
sneeze that I don't know aboutyou friends. I don't feel warm
and fuzzy that when I learnedthat 50 53% of Lady killers kill
other women. I mean, when Ithink of things, sisters before
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misters, I didn't think that menserial killers were gonna go
after their fellow gal palsbefore they went after men. And
those are the assumptions thatnot just me and the regular
public have, but until fairlyrecently, in the last few
decades with the increasedawareness and coverage of
murders. We saw that lawenforcement to head several
misconceptions of the female sexand their capacity to commit
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heinous crimes and murders evenas recently as 1985. Now if
you're a younger person, you maythink that 1985 was like a
gazillion years ago, was theturn of the last century after
all, but really not that longwhen you look at the history of
humankind. But even as recentlyas 1985, criminologist Eric
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Higley published the first tohis knowledge, academic paper on
female serial killers, and hisexpansive research on this
demographic belied a reallydangerous assumption that women
are incapable of the depravityneeded for such horrific crimes.
He goes on to recount thatearlier in his career and a
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conversation with FBI agents ata conference when he described a
case in which he was consulting,the an identified offender had
murdered eight people over twoyears, all of them had been
poisoned. He told the agentswhich sex he suspected and their
response. There are no femaleserial killers. Boy, were they
wrong. And this isn't justsomething that popped up in the
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past couple of century from asfemale serial killers go back in
history, there are cases likeElizabeth Bathory, a Hungarian
Countess who at the turn of the16th century, supposedly
tortured and killed hundreds ofyoung girls. On that same time
period we know of Julia Tufano,who wasn't just a serial killer,
she was an Italian professionalpoisoner, she sold a poison
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called Aqua to finance to womenwho wanted to murder their
abusive husbands. Okay, granted,back then women didn't have as
many ways to escape an abusiverelationship. So maybe we give a
pass to Julia to find out butlet's that toy discount that she
didn't exactly exude tons ofpity on the men that she helped
kill.
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And these are just the womenthat we know of. Some could say
that these women are the onesthat got caught because the
numbers may indeed may be muchhigher. Women are known as
silent killers. Kinda like highblood pressure. One day you may
be fine living your best lifeand your sweet dear friend or
girlfriend brings you buy anapple pie that she baked and
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then boom next day, that isDardanelles, not gory. Not
sensationalized may not likeeven make any headlines. Likely
not even a true crime podcastmay cover it. But for the most
part, it can be said that thefemale killers and definitely
female serial killers can getaway with murder. And do I feel
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like I've opened the door foranother Reddit thread from some
random dude in his parentsbasement to post about how
horrible it is to be a guybecause they're out there
getting killed and no one cares.
Well, let's make sure that Irepeat that right here. Now,
yes, female serial killers existin Yes, it does indeed appear
that they may get away withhaving more victims or being
able to operate longer than menwith very little media coverage
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and or sensationalism. Aroundtheir murders. But by and large,
women are often the victims ofmen. And still, by and large,
they're killed or lose theirlives at the hands of men that
they know specifically, husbandsor boyfriends. This is where I
feel like we would insert asponsored ad break for Aqua to
find out if podcasting existedor if she was in this day and
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age. But my friends, I'm notgoing to be taking any sponsored
ads from any serial poisoners.
And back to our topic at hand.
Why do women kill and how dothey get away with it? And why
are women so often seen as nonthreatening, even if they are, I
mean, let's look at the monikersof females who are killers.
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Let's just start there. And I'mgoing to be honest, right out of
the gate. I'm guilty of this aswell. So don't think that I'm
casting judgment on others, myfriends. I know that I generally
title my mistresses of mayhemand murder with innocuous names
that female serial killers mayhave received. Like the giggling
granny sounds adorable whodoesn't want to giggling granny
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right? But she killed herchildren, sisters, husbands
boyfriends, not so adorable. Shegiggled and laughed when she
retold the story of her murdersand she escaped capital
punishment. Because in the wordsof the judge and jury, she was
after all, just a woman, a womanthat you didn't want to cross my
friends. Now, while male serialkillers are given positively a
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frightening moniker is the onesthat just by hearing the names
will keep you up at night atleast double checking the doors
on your Friday checking the doorlocks like Gainesville Ripper,
or BTK or the butcher Baker,Boston Strangler. Women get
giggling granny or jolly Jane. Imean, even antelope, that
doesn't sound so bad right? willtell us the families that lost
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loved ones way too soon at thehands of nurses or caregivers
that they entrusted with thecare of a loved one. I bet they
didn't think there was anythingjolly about him. And then if
that wasn't bad enough, femalekillers or female serial killers
are often sexualized. They'reseen as dangerous and sexy
again, I know I can seem guiltyof this as well my friends. I
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can't tell you how many storiesin cases I've researched where I
had to I mean, I had to go lookup what this female killer look
like. Because when I would hearabout her and I would hear the
story and really like read intoall the details. I figured she
had to be gorgeous I mean shehad to be a true femme Fatah
with like a bang and figuregorgeous face and certain
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Genesee quoi about her no wrongI still don't quite understand
how I know so many intelligentkind, gorgeous single women. Yet
so many of these serial killersor Lady killers that seem a bit
let's say touched were over thetop with their possessiveness.
And were nothing to write homeabout. It didn't seem that
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special, but they seem to findguy after guy or I should say,
victim after victim. Okay, I'mnot saying that this tongue in
cheek as well because I'm awarethat neither men nor women,
serial killers have a specificlook. They don't necessarily
come in a cookie cutter we cansee them from afar. They come in
all shapes, sizes, colors, theyrange the gamut from attractive
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and charming to monstrous andphysically frightening. I get
that right. Butyou have to agree with me that
when you see the title likeBlack Widow, or you recall the
cases that are of murderers likeCasey Anthony or Jodi Arias, how
often did we hear about theirsexiness their great looks, or
we were regaled with the detailsabout their sex lives. While
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neither of these ladies were Suekillers suffice to say that the
hyper sexualization of theircrimes or their behaviors were
definitely brought to theforefront of media coverage. I
digress enough about that I amofficially getting done from my
soapbox right here right now.
And this is a great time to letyou know friends if you are
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outside and you're in and outand back. We're here we're at
the halfway point and go aheadand turn around and head back to
home. But regardless, if you'removing and grooving outside,
you're on a treadmill or again,a stair stepper elliptical,
let's check in with our form,making sure that we're still
nice and tall, engaging thatcore bringing the shoulders down
and back and kind of shake outyour hands. Oftentimes, we tend
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to add a lot of tension to ourface or hands. This is a good
time for what I call a shouldershimmy. And then let's get into
learning a little bit more. Nowthat we're in the back half of
this recovery workout again,have you run with me before you
know that I like to incorporaterecovery runs and walks into my
training plans to help us getsome light movement. But if you
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aren't sure how to get theseincorporated into your training
plan, I promise you they arejust as important as those
harder efforts do feel free toreach out to me at Christine at
runway unfinished lines.com. Orwe could just talk about Lady
killers. Okay, so let's learnabout the classification of
serial killers. And what and howthe motives behind killing
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varies from men to women. Forall of you true crime fiends out
there, I know that you probablyhave murder PD on your bookmark.
So you're likely to be familiarwith these different
classifications. Bear with me aswe recap them a little bit here.
We're gonna start with the onesthat maybe fascinate us, maybe
me the most, let's see organizedserial killer in the FBI
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classification. The organizedserial killer equals the
definition of psychopath, thiscriminal suffers from antisocial
personality disorder. This typeof killer plans his crimes in
advance and uses tricks ordeception to reduce his victims,
who are usually strangers. Heerases footprints and traces he
may have left behind, he altersthe crime scene to disorient
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investigators. It's typical thatimproves with each crime.
They're perfected throughexperience, and they become
difficult to catch. It'simportant to note that while
there's a common myth, though,about organized circulars is
that they're really highlyintelligent. And that's not
always the case. A myth thatexists is that serial killers
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also have like a debilitatingmental condition or that they
are incredibly clever andintelligent. And again, they
vary just as much as we talkedabout physicality, they vary in
intelligence levels, personalitydisorders, or any kind of
psychopath II. So let's try tomaybe hear debunk that. By
making sure that we know that itdoesn't necessarily mean that
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they're carrying around Mensacards in their back pocket. Even
though that is the way they'reportrayed by and large when we
see them on media or movies andworks of fiction. Now, that's
the organized serial killer,which
I mean, I have to tell you, theslightly type a person in me
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like that just even soundsbetter than this next one, but
they're both just as deadly. Thesecond type of store killer is
the disorganized serial killer.
This is the one that usuallycorresponds to psychosis
mentally, ill, almost alwaysschizophrenia, paranoid or
delusional. This criminalsdriven by delusions and
hallucinations, they hear voicesthat induce them to murder, or
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they're seized by like unfoundedjealousy or the like
interpreting their brain there'sprovocative gestures or looks
from their victims. They oftenfeel persecuted, or they think
sometimes that someone's cast aspell on them that forces them
to to murder. They believesometimes they're the chosen one
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who must fulfill a mission andby divine mandate. So the
disorganized person does notplan their crimes or choose
their victims logically,location of their crime scene
reflects the same conclusion andthe disorder that they have in
their mind so their victims areoften badly wounded because the
resistance they present whenattacked by surprise. Which
brings us to the thirdclassification, which is the
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mixed serial killer and on manyoccasions, a crime scene
presents mixed characteristics.
The crime may have been began asan organized murderer and became
disorganized by various factors.
Again, maybe they were caught bysurprise, or the killer may have
gotten startled or thrown into amurderous fantasy, or they
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weren't actually able to cleanup their act as well as they had
planned. But where does thatmean? And where does this have
to do with female serialkillers? Well, on first blush,
it appears the majority offeeling sorry, killers are able
to get away with murder for muchlonger than their male
counterparts likely due to theirmethodology of killing. So as we
mentioned earlier, female sellerkillers prefer poison. But the
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motive behind the killings canalso play a large part of why
female soul killers are noted asin quotes being better at murder
than men. Yep, you heard me,women, serial killers take the
gold for being better at murder.
I guess showing that quality ofquality over quantity wins the
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day. But motives behind serialkillers are generally within
four different categories. Solet's talk about those four
different categories. four maintypes of killers can be summed
up as follows visionary, this isthe individual or person who
feels that they're beingcommanded to kill, most likely
they are suffering frompsychosis. And as we have
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already explored previously,these generally fall into that
disorganized classification.
Okay, so let's talk aboutmission oriented killers. Next,
now, this individual they kill.
In order to read Society of acertain group, the biggest
difference between missionoriented and visionary isn't the
mission oriented killer isusually not psychotic, they are
well aware of what they'redoing. And these killers, for
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example, they might be racist oragainst a certain ethnicity or
religion, where they may targetsex workers or they may target
the LGBTQ community. So it'sreally important to note that
they are more methodical in howthey approach their victims,
then the visionary killer may.
Then we have the next tohedonistic now this is the
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individual who commits theiracts for their own personal
pleasure, for example, rape,torture, or money. And what's
interesting about thisparticular category is that this
categories has three mainsubcategories last thrill and
comfort. Which brings us to ourfinal, final four types of
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overarching reasons people killus power and control. And this
individual usually fantasizesabout having power and seeks to
dominate and control theirvictims. Now, again, where do
most females through killersfall? And well, it's usually
under those last two categories,either hedonistic, because of
lust, thrill, comfort, or powerand control. There's a bit bit
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of disagreement, and the rolesof academia. And whether female
sort of killers that stand togain financially from their
victims are hedonistic orthey're looking to control. But
I think it's likely safe to say,probably both. And if you think
about it, in our society, womentend to lack as much equal power
control as their malecounterparts, and this can seem
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everywhere from Congress to theC suite. So it stands to reason
that women serial killers wouldfeel the easiest way to dominate
and control their victims isthrough gaining financially from
their death. So now you know howserial killers are classified
and their motives. Let's talk alittle bit more about how female
circulars differ than men. Well,we can think evolutionary
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biological reasons for why womenare different than their male
counterparts in many ways. Buteven when it comes to murder,
women serial killers tend togather their victims, while men
hunt their victims, bothliterally and figuratively, as
seen by killers like the butcherBaker, where he would hunt down
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women in the woods of Alaska forsport or the somebody killer, or
the beast where he would prey onhis young victims from the
streets of Columbia. And thenlook at the women that I have
featured like again Judy buenoannual where she would collect
her victims, taking them fromdate to boyfriend to husband, to
insured and then deceased andout the door. Researchers found
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that male serial killers werealmost six times as likely to
kill a stranger, while femaleserial killers were nearly twice
as likely to kill a person thatthey already know. Additionally,
65.4% of males are killersstalked their victims, compared
to 3.6% of female serialkillers. Now, this is where I
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have to interject very quicklyand say, it could be that they
didn't stalk their victimsphysically like males, because I
know a lot of my females knowhow to stalk everybody on the
internet. So maybe they didtheir homework before they went
after their victims. I don'tknow. But suffice to say there
is quite a disparity. AndMarissa Harrison, an associate
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professor of psychology at PennState, explains that because
humans lived as hunter gatherersfor about 95% of our history.
These roles could explain thesedifferences. So who are these
women gathering? Well, that'swhat's kind of interesting is
not just husbands like onlyhearts killers. There's also
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quite a few female circularsthat consider Angels of Death.
These are women in caregiving orcaretaking roles that are
entrusted with our mostvulnerable populations like
small children and the elderly.
Although there are cases ofwomen that target both infants
and older people that beingentrusted with their care, and
while it's rare, there are womenthat kill for sexual deviancy
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like rosemary West and friends.
Trust me I will be highlightingher in it is a whole lot of hot
messes. Rosemary West, who alongwith her husband would sexually
torture and kill victims,including their daughters to
live out their own dark andfantasy Dark Twisted fantasies.
Or there's thrill seekerkillers, like Joanna Dennehy is
featured in my most dangerouswomen in Britain episode where I
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mean, she was just actuallyquoted in saying that she wanted
to just have more fun and herfun was killing victims, just
random individuals walking withher dogs. So this brings us to
the next observation when weresearch females circulars. I
can't tell you how many times Icome across serial killers,
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female serial killers where itlooks like it's kind of like,
maybe this was a thing of thepast like Belle gunness or
Amelia Dyer. Maybe we've beenlulled into believing that now
that women have more power areable to accumulate their own
wealth. The need for women tokill for material possessions is
not as popular or no longer asneeded. Well, my dear friend,
that is wrong. Actually, out ofthe female serial killer cases
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reported in the United Statessince 1826. Approximately 75%
occurred since 1950. And trustme, I have plenty of cases in
the works to highlight and showyou how that is indeed the case.
Don't let me get too freakedout. Serial killers are rare,
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and even more so since the 1980slikely things to advances in
forensic psychology, legalenforcement criminology. But
while thrill killers may be onthe decline, we're still more
fascinated than ever on killersand specifically circulars as
we've seen a rise in true crimepodcast shows novels, even true
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crime conventions. Well, thereare several reasons and theories
and research why I personallyliken it to wanting to explore
and confront some of the fearsthat have been instilled in us
and helps us to explore thenature of humanity, and maybe
the darker side of humanity. Butusually we're able to explore
for more observation, everystate in the confines of a safe
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space. And that's what we'regonna continue to do. Because
we're gonna continue learningmore about the human psyche, and
exploring mistresses of murderand mayhem. So from if you have
a mistress of murder or mayhemthat you'd like me to feature,
please do reach out in if you'retackling the Murder, Mayhem and
Miles challenge. Great work,we're gonna go ahead and wrap up
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this workouts. And as you're onthat Miles challenge, know that
we're on our way to Boston,where we get to learn all about
a nurse with quite aninteresting fetish. He may be
the quintessential example of awoman that was as ambitious as
she was deadly, because she isquoted with saying that her goal
was to have killed more people,more helpless people, than any
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man or woman who has ever lived.
So till then, let's sum up thisworkout and all the lessons we
learned for today. There's justone lesson my friend, never
underestimate a woman cuz youmay end up dead. Thank you so
much for joining me on thisworkout. I hope you enjoyed it.
I want to hear from you. Please.
I'd love to hear more about whatyou think about females that are
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killers. Do they fascinate you?
Or do you have a differentsubcategory that you're more
intrigued by? And do you haveone in mind that again, you'd
like to see me talk about hit meup on my email Christina at
runway and finish lines, or jointhe Facebook community running
scared podcast we can chat allabout the murder mayhem and
miles with our fellow true crimeand running fiends. Thank you
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for running scared with CoachChristine