How Do You REALLY Get Signed as a Songwriter Today? Concord Music Publishing Exec Jeremy Yohai Reveals All!

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On today's podcast, we sit down with Jeremy Yohai, a leading executive
at Concord Music Publishing. Jeremy shares what it takes to sign
the next great songwriter or artist, why longevity beats
viral moments, and how the definition of success is changing in
today's music business. We also dive into the realities of building a
career from the ground up, the unique synergy between Concord's label and

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publishing divisions, and Jeremy's no nonsense advice for
aspiring creators trying to make their mark. Plus, how do
artists get on his radar without a label deal? And what does it really mean
to make it in the industry? Now, if you're serious about understanding
today's music publishing landscape, this is one episode you don't want
to miss. Insiders, are you ready?

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Welcome to MUBUTV's Music Business Insider Podcast where
our mission is to educate, empower and engage artists and
music business professionals who are dedicated to having a successful career
in the new music industry. Here are your hosts, Ritch
Esra and Eric Knight. Welcome back, insiders, to another
episode of the MUBUTV Music Business Insider

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Podcast where our mission is to educate, empower and
engage your music career. On today's episode, we're excited to
welcome Jeremy Yohai, an accomplished executive currently
at Concord Music Publishing. In our raw, unfiltered
conversation, Jeremy shares his insight on what makes the current music
landscape healthy, what he and his team are really looking for when

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signing new songwriters and artists, and why sustainability and
longevity matter so much more than chasing the latest violence viral
trend. We dive into the importance for aspiring songwriters and
producers to create their own opportunities, the evolving definition
of success in today's industry, and how to get on the radar of a major
publisher like Concord Music Publishing. Whether you have a record deal

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or not, Jeremy also opens up about the value of building
genuine connections, power of self promotion, and the
untapped avenues that can fuel your career as an artist,
songwriter or producer. If you're looking for practical advice
and honest perspective on the current music business, and inspiration
to keep pursuing your passion no matter where you are on your journey,

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hi, this is Flannery Johnston, senior manager of TV, film and
advertising at Lyric House. And you're listening to the MUBUTV. Music
Business Insider Podcast. Welcome back insiders.
Today's featured guest is Jeremy Yohai, an accomplished executive
currently at Concord Music Publishing. This, you know, was an
interesting conversation, Eric, on many levels. You know, a lot of our

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insiders are songwriters who are looking to build careers for
themselves as a songwriter, also as an artist. And it's important in these kinds of
conversations because unlike A&R conversations which strictly look
for artists or bands, you know, who are at the
forefront of performing and being the, the artists themselves.
Jeremy's world deals with people who you may never know, right?

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You know, the public doesn't know who Max Martin is, doesn't know who Benny Blanco
is, doesn't know who, you know, many of the Dr. Luke and many of these
people, massive, massive hit writers behind the scenes. But you know,
everybody in the business like, like Jeremy does know. And so, you
know, it was very interesting. I, I thought one of the things that he
was fascinating to me was how you all, and we've spoken about this many times,

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I know Ari Herstand spoke about it first, which is the whole concept
of everybody has their own definition of success, right? And that's
especially true today, you know, where success is Very personal. The.
The definition varies. You know, some artists are driven by creative fulfillment.
Others seek major commercial achievements. So you have to decide that,
you know, for yourself today. And that, that. That was an interesting concept that, you

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know, you don't often hear. A lot of people always talk about. It's always like,
you know, everything's got to be number one, everything got to be big, everything's got
to be, you. Know, we don't live in that era anymore. Exactly. We don't. And
there's a lot of people who don't have that kind of visibility, but who still
are very successful. Right. One of the other areas that I loved about this
conversation as well, too, was sustainability over hype.

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Rather than signing acts based on fleeting virality,
Jeremy's team looks for potential to build a sustainable career over
10 or 15 years. And this is what you were getting back to earlier. Do
you want that instant, you know, wham, it's here, or would you
rather build a sustainable thing and climb that ladder slowly?
I kind of choose the ladder, no pun intended, because I think that that's

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ultimately what's going to sustain you through the highs and through the lows and keep
you going long after your time of whatever
success you've had that can carry you over to a long touring career, a long
music career. Yeah. And what's interesting about what you're seeing, Eric, is that the
marketplace agrees with you. I mean, when you look at, like,
you know, Charlie XCX, I mean, she. She had, you know, that,

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that success in the summer. I think it was with Brat Brad. Exactly.
Do you know that's like her sixth album. Right. And Sabrina
Carpenter, a new artist that just came about. Now, what most people
don't know, this is her sixth album. Right. She had five
albums that went nowhere and now all five of those
have come back. Right. There's now a catalog. I mean, I remember

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this when 50 Cent broke through with Into Club,
that became a massive. What most people didn't know was he already had several.
He had five albums prior to that. He owned. Right. And. And therefore
there was a body of work there. So this often is. Is, you know, going
right to your point. It's the reality today that there is no such thing as
an overnight success. Right. You know, there is no such thing as, like, you know,

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you have that viral hit and most people that do don't sustain. And
with that, insiders sit back, relax, and enjoy our
featured conversation from Musexpo 2025 with
Jeremy Yohai. Jeremy, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having Me. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to
ask you, you know, as an executive who's been in this business for a while,

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do you think we are in a healthy period for music right now?
I think that you'll get answers on both sides of
that, depending on who you talk to. Yeah. And I try to
just focus with blinders on and pay attention to the exciting
music that's coming out. And if the music is exciting, then I think
we're in a healthy period and still always find exciting artists.

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And so my answer is I think it's a healthy period because people are creating
great music and if kids keep creating great music, then music will be
fine. Terrific. Well, it's good to hear that you're hearing good things and
exciting things that you like creatively always.
Jeremy, thanks so much for joining us on the show. I wanted to ask you,
would you discuss what you look for both creatively and non

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creatively when looking to sign a new songwriter or artist to a
publishing deal at Concord or. So my answer to
that won't be what I'm looking for. It's going to
be what I'm not looking for. I
myself, my team that I work with here in the US
we are looking for real artists, real songwriters,

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real producers that are in it for
the sake of making great music for the very for the
foreseeable future and beyond. And I really believe that
if that's what they're doing, then that's the
business we want to be in. We're not looking for the
thing that's going viral at the moment that doesn't seem sustainable, that doesn't

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have legs. Obviously there's homes for those projects and it might be a really
exciting couple of weeks and months for those projects, but we're looking at it with
the longer lens, I guess, and really wanting to build something
with the writers and artists that, you know, are looking to make great music
for like 10, 15 years. And if you do that, that's a sustainable business.
And if you have a magical moment or lightning in a bottle moment where things,

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you know, really kind of change the trajectory of your career, then
amazing. And if those things don't happen, then it's still a business that we want
to be in. So I guess I answered your question in some way saying what
we are looking for. But I approached it from what we're not looking for, which
is just, you know, and it's happening so much in the state
of the music industry we're in now where things are happening so quickly, where Something's

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super hot. Everyone gets excited about it. The numbers are going crazy, but is it
sustainable? I'm not sure. And that those are the things that we're not going to
jump at. Some of them maybe, and maybe we'll miss a few, but we're really
looking at the things that we think are going to be around for, For a
while. In your position, do new songwriters and
producers need to create more opportunities for

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themselves before getting signed today, in your. View,
More so today than in the past? I don't, I don't know
if they're having to, but they have the ability to because of the,
all the, the media outlets that they have, and from TikTok
to Instagram to, you know, being able to get their music out
through any kind of distribution method and have it on Spotify or

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SoundCloud or whatever it is. So I don't know if they need to, but they
have the ability to. And if you have that access, then you should take
those opportunities and really try to push yourself and help yourself
get noticed and, and give yourself the leverage in the conversation with the
industry versus, you know, being this, this unknown quantity
that maybe so many industry discovers. And then it's, you know, they're just gonna come

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in with a very heavy hand to say, okay, I'm gonna sign you and it's
gonna be a very aggressive deal versus you taking all the opportunities that
are presented in this modern world and giving yourself leverage and
leveling the playing field a little bit as far as the conversation, you know, with.
With the industry. So I don't know if they have to, but they should. Okay,
so. And that's, you know, like, that question can go on and on. And like,

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you know, I talk to people at artists that I work with or people that
work at labels, and artists feel like everything's falling on them now. You know, they
sign a record deal or publishing deal and then they think that it's still on
them to go out and promote these things on TikTok. And without that, the label's
like, well, what do you want us to do? Or the publisher saying, we can't
help you if you're not helping yourself. Now, you know, I think
that, you know, maybe there's some truth to that, but the artists are the ones

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who the fans are attracted to. And so there's
a difference between my publishing company promoting an artist or an artist promoting
themselves. The kids aren't excited to see my publishing company or the record label
saying, this is great. They want to hear it from the artists. You know, championing
themselves because they're the X factor. They have the thing that the
kids are excited about. It's not these corporations. It's the unique

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individuals. And so if you have those opportunities to
promote yourself and use these platforms. You should do it really quickly. Jeremy, at
Concord, is there a willingness to signing artists or bands before
they have a deal? So signing them for a publishing deal before they have a
record deal? Record deal, yeah, sure. That doesn't make a difference to us. If we're
excited about someone and there's no record deal, then great. We get to get very

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involved and help and really can be a part of that conversation to help find
that home on the record side. And if they have a partner on the record
side, then great. Also, like, it doesn't make a difference to us. We have
no preference. Yeah. It's just for us, it's all about the artist and what
they're doing. I'm not so concerned about, you know,
what the label situation is, because if they're amazing or as amazing as we think

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they are, it's all going to fall into place anyway. Interesting. Okay,
based on that, then, how does an artist or a songwriter get on
your radar at Concord? So there's the research way of, like,
you know, things popping up across Spotify or TikTok or Instagram. There's,
you know, a lot of word of mouth. I still rely on that more than
maybe anything is through, you know, a friend or a songwriter

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or an artist that we work with or a manager we work with or a
lawyer we work with or a friend at a label. That's like, you guys should
check this out. That is still, I think, a real strong
basis of how we're signing things. You know, like,
I wish I could tell you and romanticize a story about me walking into
a club one night not knowing who's performing and signing someone off of that.

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That isn't happening. Happening very much. You know, we're
very much made aware of things through, I think, word of mouth and then things
just kind of trending on socials. Hey, insiders, we hope that
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from our sponsor. Hey, Eric, as an artist, what do you find are the most

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challenging aspects to a music career, especially when you're
starting out? Well, I think one of the first things is just trying to get
the direction of who you are as an artist. Where you want to go, where
you want to be. And, you know, we've talked about it on the show a
lot. Who is your target audience, who you are? What do you stand
for? What do you believe in? What do you think would resonate with an audience?

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And so those are some of the things that I would feel being a new
artist. Obviously what I know now is different because I know these things, but for
people that are out there, like our audience, that don't have necessarily any
direction to go, would be the first things that I would start off with. And
having the songs incorporate those elements that you're
speaking of into it, that's so important today. Yeah. And I think that's

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one of the reasons why we started MUBUTV and why we started this new consulting
service that we're offering to all of our insiders out there. Because that is another
one of the big things. I mean, that is the big thing, is like having
the great songs. That's what it really starts off. Our friend Don Grierson
always said it always starts with a great song. So that's probably. Besides
putting together what your audience and what your target audience is, is the

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single most important thing. Where are your songs at currently today? Are
you collaborating with people? Are you trying to go out to networking events where
you can connect with other songwriters and stuff like that? So, yeah. And what are
your strengths exactly? You know, are you a strong lyric
writer? Are you a strong melody writer? Are you a strong musician? A
player. Right. You know, and it's really important to get really

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strong clarity on those issues before proceeding. I totally
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now. Jeremy, has the definition of success changed or

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evolved over the last decade in the music business? You know, I think that
depends on the artists. You know, like, I think some artists I work
with are very happy to be creating the art they believe
in. And if they're doing that and it's a business
and they can sustain their lifestyle with that, then they're
successful. There's other artists we work with that want all of

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it. You know, they want global domination, they want to be doing
arenas, and until they get there, they're not going to feel like a
success. And so I think that question really depends on who
you're asking. We work with both kinds of people,
and so I think that's the exciting thing about the roster we've built. We've built
people that are in it for the sake of creating the art they believe in,

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and that's all that drives them. And now we're. We work with artists that are
driven to be as successful as the mega stars that everyone
talks about, you know, headlining festivals. And so it really depends,
I think, on who you're asking. And we're excited about both.
Yeah, you have, within your company, you
have, unlike other publishers, you have both a

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publishing component and a significant label component. And I'm
curious how that affects your job. Creative. Do you have a good relationship
with them? Do you guys. Creatively, we have a great
relationship. So there's a lot of communication between us
and, and the label folks about things that they're excited about. You know, we're
talking to them about our writers to help them with their projects.

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You know, we sign things together. We've got a few artists that are
signed to us that are, you know, part Concord Publishing, part Loma
Vista. Loma Vista is a label imprint under the Concord
umbrella. And so we've had some successful signings out of
that and we work really great with those guys and we have a lot of
synergy with the way they approach music and how we approach it on the publishing

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side and with the other labels also, you know, if they're excited about something, they'll
tip us off and maybe we go in on it together or if they've got
it on records, they'll refer us. And it's worked the other way with us where
we've signed things on publishing and the record side was open and
we, you know, said, hey, you guys should take a meeting. And at that point
we're not going to be too pushy to our writer or artist, say, hey, sign
to our record label also. But we're going to definitely make those introductions and see

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if it's the right fit and if not, that's fine also. So there's a lot
of synergy, I think. I can't speak to other companies that have both
sides, but it's very much. It's been encouraged from day one from
Concord. They want that synergy. They want to have the stories. And there's been
quite a few where we've had a writer that's been signed to the publishing company
that's put out a record on the record that has written a

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theatrical that the theatrical division has invested in and
has also talked to our film and TV production team
about a project for film and TV production. And so that's like
the writer that has touched all the different
departments and intercompany kind of opportunities that
can be presented with Concord. And that's something that's been very much pushed

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and everyone's been very excited about those opportunities when we can kind of like create
those kind of full circle moments for. For our writers.
Just out of curiosity, would that be like involving like the Ghost deal? Because I
know Ghost is on Loma Vista. Correct. Ghost is strictly
signed to Concord on the record site. On the record side, there's no
other. Because I know they recently put out a film that he put out that

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Tobias had put. I didn't know if that was one of those touch points that
you're talking about. I can't remember offhand if that film was something that the
Concord film and TV production team was involved with. They may have been.
I can't remember all the properties that they're involved with, but I'm not that
involved. It goes because it's not a publishing client. Got it. So you can't speak
to that. Okay. Jeremy, what advice would you have

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for someone who is committed to building a career as a
professional songwriter, producer or artist today? I think,
and this may sound like super
idealistic and I still like. I'm a firm
believer that if you're really good and you put yourself out there, then things will
work out. If you're really good and you don't put yourself out there, it's not

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going to work out. And if you're not really good and you're putting yourself out
there, it's probably not going to work out. So I think, you know, believe in
your talent if you think you have it and just keep pushing. I've worked with
so many songwriters. I mean, yes, they had a publishing deal, and so
that validates them to some point. They've made it past
the first level of this thing and so they got a publishing deal. But at

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that point, that's when the journey really begins. And there's a lot of writers who
get publishing deals. And then three, four years later, I'm done with this thing. It's
not working out. I'm gonna go pursue a different career. And
there's other writers that kind of like, hang on. Even though they kind of feel
that way, they keep pushing five, 10 years in and all of a sudden,
12 years into their publishing deal or whatever, they have a

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moment and it's a life changing moment and
amazing things are happening. Either they discover an artist or they write a
song that goes. And I kind of think of those
guys as like, guys who just never got jaded, really believed in themselves,
kept going, knew that there was no other option, and just kept going.
And all of a sudden, you know, they turn around, they're approaching 40 years

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old and they've got a Grammy and maybe an Oscar on their
shelf for hanging around and really plugging away and believing
in themselves that these things were going to be realized. And so I guess my
advice is if you've got the goods and you know it and you feel like
it's happening, just trust yourself, keep going, keep pushing.
Make your network, build your network. It's not going to happen if you stay home.

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And like nowadays, going back to something we were talking about earlier, you
can do this from your bedroom. You can literally build a network out
online. You can connect with all these other writers and producers. You can send
ideas. Sure. You're gonna send 20 ideas out. You may
get one response. That's totally fine, keep going. Send another 20,
send another 20. Get five responses. Build your network.

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Find those producers that you're fans of or those writers or those artists that you
look up to. They may respond, it's happened. I know it,
I've seen it happen with our writers. So you can't sit back and
say, oh, I'm not. Nothing's happening here. You, you got to like take it into
your own hands. And going back to that question you asked before about, you know,
do writers or artists have to do more? These are the things you can do.

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And then after you have these kind of connections, hopefully your
publisher or your art or your label or your manager, whoever it is,
can help, you know, like really kind of connect the dots from there and help
build and build and build, and then you're on your Way. Yeah. You know, it's
interesting. I've also heard, based on what you had just said, the reverse
happening where people started out as artists and. And it just never

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happened for them. But then they became very, very successful
songwriters. I mean there's. There's a lot of those in the business,
you know, who started and couldn't have a career as a success,
but huge success. Yeah. Lots and lots and lots of
hit songs. And that's just really believing yourself. And okay, it didn't work out here.
There's another avenue and you can become more successful than an artist and

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become public facing songwriter or producer more so than you were ever going
to be as an artist. As an artist, yeah. So precise opportunities are right
there. Absolutely. Jeremy, where. Where can people best
connect with you? Is it through Concord's website? Socials? What's the best
way? So I am one of the maybe very few executives
that's totally and completely not online and not on

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any socials. So yeah, the best way to find me would
be to try to reach out through. Through Concord and, and just
get passed on that way. You're off the grid. I'm off the grid. It
was never, it was a. Never a deliberate. It was never a thought. Like it
just kind of happened. And then I've been told so many times that,
you know, you made the right decision and it was never like this, like, I

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am not gonna be on social. Like, literally deliberate. Like
back in the day, I was on MySpace at one
point. And then I remember, like
when Facebook popped up, I was like, yeah, like there'll be another thing.
And sure enough, there was. And it was Twitter. And I was like, yeah, I'll
jump on that one. And then I was like, yeah. And then there was Instagram
and then I was just like, like, I don't need this in my life. And

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maybe I'm missing out on something, but I'm not sure if I really am aware
of. I think. And if someone really wants to find
me, like one of my artists or writers or a manager, they know where to
get me. If there's something you want to share with me, I'm easy to find
once we're working together. I'm very responsive. It's just.
I'm just not in that space. No, got it.

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I absolutely. I. I totally understand. There's a few of my friends that are
completely not on social media that are in the business as well, just not. I
know of one music supervisor that all he has is a email.
That's it. Just nothing else. Just Won't. Won't do that. Jeremy, we
want to thank you so much for coming this. We really, really appreciate
it very, very much. Thank you for having me. So glad that we

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had Jeremy on. Yeah. I mean, you know, Concord is, is a company
that I have a lot of respect for. Absolutely. They are like, I think one
of probably, I mean, if you look at them in the marketplace, they're like, I
think the fifth largest music company in the
world. You know, there's, there's the three majors of Universal, Sony and
Warners, there's BMG and then there's Concord. And they are doing

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amazing cutting edge things. You know, one of the things that I thought. And
this, this comes from my own history, but I think it's important for the
insiders to pay attention to. One of the things that I thought was so
interesting about this particular conversation was a point that he made about
artists in that, you know, when you're signing artists, you' not looking
to sign a talent necessarily that's going to be writing

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songs for everyone else out in the world. Right. They're doing it
for themselves. And you know, for the longest time, a lot of
music publishing companies, and still some today,
some won't sign artists unless they have a
record deal already because they want some kind of outlet. Right.
For the deal. Right. In other words, if they sign an artist and there's no

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record deal, where are they to make money on the songs? Exactly. Maybe getting one
placed in a sink or, you know, and it's not something. And yet he spoke
about the fact that it didn't matter if he was interested, you know,
because that could come later. Exactly. But that wasn't the consciousness before.
Before. Right. I think that, you know, because music has come down in cost.
It doesn't cost, you know. Exactly. Of a house to make.

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Right. Record. There's not that much outlay for the music for the publisher to
put out initially. Exactly. But you know, contracts are still, you
know, there's still money involved. Right. But the fact that they're more open to that
I thought was very, very interesting in terms of artists. And that's a trend
that you're seeing with many more major companies. More major companies where
they're willing to take on artists or bands who don't have record

(26:57):
deals. Yeah. And one of the other areas that I thought this conversation was very
interesting with Jeremy was how does an artist or songwriter get on
Jeremy's radar at Concord? And you guys, you know, again, if you got to
listen to these episodes because he's giving you Gold here. You know, there's research
things that are popping up across Spotify or TikTok or Instagram.
There's, you know, a lot of word of mouth. He still relies on more of

(27:19):
that than maybe anything is through a friend or a songwriter or an artist that
we work with or a manager that is still, he thinks, a real strong
basis of how we're assigning things. And I think that that's a
really great insight into how artists are being discovered.
You know, there's no path, there's no set path to success.
There could be a hundred different roads you can take here. It's a matter of

(27:41):
which one ends up falling for you. So it's, it's exciting because you can see
from an actual professional, a real top, top professional
about how they're kind of basically vetting what acts
they're getting into their, their conscious. Absolutely. But the one thing I
do want to add to what you're saying, Eric, is that it's very important
because he also mentioned that, you know, today, the artists,

(28:03):
the bands, they have to do a lot more work on their
own prior. It's not enough just to be a great writer
and, oh, we're gonna have full faith. And you have to be exactly.
That used to be the model. There's got to be somewhat of a. Track record,
somewhat of a track record. You have to be getting, you know, a cut or
there has to be relations or somebody in his, his world

(28:24):
of managers, other co writers, other producers has to be talking
about you, which means that there has to be some kind of visibility or some
kind of relationship there. So, you know, I don't want to leave the
impression that all you need to be is very talented and of course, people
will sign you. It starts with great music, as you know, our friend
Don Grierson used to always say, but today, in terms of getting a

(28:46):
deal, you have to put a lot of that kind of time, effort and energy
into building that career for yourself prior to getting
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