February 2, 2025 • 45 mins
What's the connection with a spy thriller from 1985 and the start of this episode of Music In My Shoes? Find out as we reminisce about "The Falcon and the Snowman," its espionage intrigue, and the collaboration between David Bowie and the Pat Metheny Group. Alongside these reflections, there's a heartfelt segment inspired by Butch Walker's social media post, which serves as a poignant reminder about the importance of health after music industry icon Matt Pinfield's stroke.
Listeners from across the country share their stories and connections with bands that defined the rock scene and past MIMS episodes, including a nostalgic mention of Ian Slater from APB at the 688 Club. We embrace the vibrant feedback from our audience, like Kathy in Georgia and Del from "Mind The Gap Radio." This episode is as much about sharing personal anecdotes as it is about celebrating music that left an indelible mark on our lives.
As we journey through the sounds of John Lennon, Ramones and Squeeze, we reflect on the unique sound creations and the lasting legacies these artists have left behind. The episode concludes with a look back at The Stone Roses and fond memories of the Midtown Music Festival in Atlanta. Join us for a celebration of the tunes that have shaped not just our playlists, but our lives, and continue the journey of musical exploration and reminiscence.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Boge, and you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 64.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
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I saw an advertisement, jimmy,that the Pat Travers Band was
playing a show here in AtlantaImmediately.
I think, about the song they didwith David Bowie 40 years ago,
and it was this Is Not Americafrom the film the Falcon and the
Snowman.
So the song peaks at number 32on the Billboard Hot 100, march
23rd 1985.
And I'll be honest with you, Ididn't really like the song when
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it came out, but it's one ofthose songs that kind of grows
on you.
You know it's a much slowersong than what I was accustomed
to from David Bowie and you knowit just was very different than
anything that I was listeningto.
But, believe it or not, it wasplayed a lot on LIR, so I would
hear it a lot.
So the film Falcon and thesnowman have you seen the movie?
No, I haven't.
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So the film Falcon and theSnowman have you seen the movie?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No I haven't.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It was released January 25th 1985, 40 years ago.
But I didn't see it until 1986on HBO and I remember there was
all this hype.
You know this movie's comingout and you know you got to see
it and I saw it on HBO in 86.
Based on a true story twofriends, christopher Boyce,
played by Timothy Hutton, who'sthe Falcon, and Andrew Dalton
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Lee, portrayed by Sean Penn,who's the snowman.
So let's just cut to the chase.
The Falcon guy he's intofalconry, you know the bird and
putting a little hood on themand the whole nine yards.
And the snowman is a cocaineand heroin dealer.
Small time, not like a big,huge guy.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So hence the Falcon and the snowman.
Unlike Smokey and the Bandit,the snowman was a truck driver
that got beer.
Correct, yeah, this is a wholenother snowman.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, they were eastbound and down Very, very
different.
Okay, so they sold secrets tothe Russians in Mexico in the
mid-1970s and, of course, theygot caught.
Boyce was sentenced to 40 yearsin prison in 1977.
He was released just over 25years later, in 2002.
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Just over 25 years later, in2002, lee was sentenced to life
in prison because he wasactually the guy that was
meeting with the Russians inMexico.
He was the middleman.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay.
Which one is he?
The snowman or the falcon thesnowman?
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He was released in 1998, only serving 21 years.
So I guess some of the secretsmaybe they weren't super top
secret or whatever but theyfound it to let these guys get
out of here.
So I remember the film as a bitslow and kind of dragging on.
So I rewatched it and yes, itwas really slow and it really
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didn't captivate me.
Like watching it again thesecond time was no different
than when I watched it thatfirst time.
And I understand it's a storythat you know.
It's not exciting.
There's no car chases and allthese different things that
Hollywood would put in becauseit just didn't happen.
But re-watching the movie mademe realize that it was the Pat
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Metheny group and not the PatTravers band that recorded this
Is Not America with David Bowie.
I had the whole wrong band.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, okay, well, that makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, very, very, very different.
And I just started laughing Inthe movie.
All of a sudden it just came tome.
I'm like, hey, it wasn't PatTravers, it's Pat Metheny.
So the song's kind of aboutdisillusionment for the guy, for
Boyce the Falcon.
You know his disillusionment,you know with the American
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government and you know sellingCIA secrets to the Russians, and
that's kind of where the wholesong comes from.
So I don't know Pat Travers,pat Metheny.
I'm not sure how I got the twomixed up.
Somehow I did, and I ended upwatching the movie again that I
didn't really like the firsttime and with the same exact
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results almost 40 years later.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The other day I read a post on social media from
singer-songwriter-producer ButchWalker, who fronted the band
Marvelous 3 from here in Atlanta.
Georgia Yep Post has a pictureof a guy with the caption this
is my pal, matt Pinfield.
This is what Butch wrote on hissocial media.
Matt is a legend in the musicbusiness.
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He can school anyone in rockand roll trivia and he's a hell
of a wonderful human.
Matt suffered a severe strokerecently, has been in the
hospital for weeks now.
I'm not asking you for anything, I'm just asking you to keep
him in your thoughts.
This dude was a huge believerin me from the get-go and before
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we met on the set of MTV forthe show he hosted 120 Minutes.
I would watch it religiously.
He was like listening to a rockand roll almanac speak when he
would talk.
In between videos, butch goeson to continue to praise Matt.
Very sad to hear this and it wasonly 13 episodes ago.
(06:08):
We were talking about MatthewSweetstroke and you know it's
just sad when things like thishappen.
I mean it happens to everybody.
It doesn't matter if you'reregular people like you and I,
or if you're a rock star oractor famous.
Have money, don't have money,and you know, I think at the end
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we all have to make sure we goand go to the doctor and get
checked out for things and ifthere's things that can be done
to help prevent stuff becauseyou know we keep talking about
different things happening topeople- that's a good reminder.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Now, is there any update on Matthew Sweet?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The last update I saw was in December and Matthew
said that he probably will notplay guitar again, oh man, and
that he wants to make musicsomehow, but that's probably not
playing the guitar, and that'sthe last update that I've seen.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, I just hope he gets healthy.
I mean, that's what's important, I guess, at this point is that
he recovers.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, that really is.
I mean, it's sad.
I mean Matt Penfield reallylike he is a walking almanac
kind of like Butch Walker talkedabout, and the knowledge that
he has is just insane.
In so many bands insane and somany bands.
And you know episode 44.
(07:29):
We spoke about him meeting uhthe killers in a garage before
they got big and listening tothem and you know they were so
excited.
And you know matt's um memoiris is uh, named after a killer
song.
I think what is it?
All the things I've done andright, you know it again, it's
definitely sad.
So on January 6, 2025, the dayhe suffered the stroke, Matt
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posted a picture of himself infront of a video camera,
Starting another week withgratitude for a life surrounded
by great people, life-changingmusic and unforgettable
experiences that I never takefor granted.
Here's to another week, anotherday, open heart and open mind.
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Let's rock.
And shortly after, that is whenhe actually had a stroke and
that's unbelievable.
To have those words.
You're definitely in ourthoughts, Matt.
Yes, Do you know what time itis?
What time?
Yes, it's Music in my Shoesmailbag time.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Music in my Shoes mailbag.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Back on episode 60, cars VH1, and Brass in Pocket.
Kareem in New York comments Ilove what you do.
I love music.
What's more, I think I'm partof it.
It's very true.
The stories and your anecdotesbring back memories.
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think they're anecdotes.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I thought so too.
I couldn't think of it.
I meant to ask you beforehand.
Yeah, so you know whatAnecdotes, ladies and gentlemen,
yeah.
Anecdotes.
You know I have trouble withsome words.
I'm here to help.
That's not a mystery to theshow, so I was going to ask you
beforehand but we've got thatcorrected now, ladies and
(09:25):
gentlemen.
But I think it's really coolwhat Corrine says about you know
the stories and the anecdotesand that they bring back
memories and you know I guessthat's really kind of the whole
point of the show, you know,kind of thinking about some
things that you may haveforgotten or learning about new
things that you didn't know,absolutely.
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Episode 61, cabbage Patch DollsKeep Falling on my Head.
Estrella writes I still havemine and I have some collection.
Love them.
Debbie says still have theoriginal Cabbage Patch Dolls.
I could probably go for about30 minutes listing all the
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people who wrote in about thatthat they have their original
cabbage patch, gave them totheir kids well you know, and
and the amount of people thatbought them and left them in the
original wrappers and didn't doanything with them whatsoever
oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
yeah, I like to play with stuff, though, right, not
that I play with cabbage patchdolls.
You know what I'm saying,though.
It's like take it out of thepackage, do something with it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I agree with you.
You know, that's the wholepoint of.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But they're probably worth a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
They are, they actually are.
I've been, you know, since thiswhole thing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I talked about this.
I've looked a lot online.
They really are worth a wholelot, especially if you have the
birth certificate.
Oh, what if you have a birthcertificate that has like David
Lee Roth on it, or whatever youdid, there are birth
certificates like that out therethat I had part to do with.
Yes, I bet you could get ahundred bucks on eBay if you
found one of those.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
What if I signed it?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well then you could get a hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So let's move on.
Episode 62, tokyo TroublesDowntown.
And the King of Rock, kathy inGeorgia, says just finished
listening to the recent episodeand loved it.
I learned so much when you wentthrough the innovative songs
ahead of their time and that,Jimmy, that was something that
you brought up, which was a realcool thing that we did.
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Also, I checked out the otherversions, that y'all and it's
funny because I don't know ifI've ever written y'all.
You know I have this writtendown so that I know exactly what
people wrote into the mailbag,right, I don't do it off the top
of my head, I would notremember it, but I laughed when
I was writing y'all because youknow I was like, wait, how do
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you spell that?
Uh, I don't think I've everwritten it before y apostrophe
all that is correct.
Well, you would know you arefrom here.
So yes, again, also that also.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I checked that's what we learned in school, at least.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, you did not.
No, I'm kidding.
Okay, all right.
So Kathy says also I checkedout the other versions that
y'all mentioned the Earth, windand Fire version of Got to Get
you Into my Life, and it justmakes me want to snap my fingers
, especially in the beginning ofthe song.
(12:27):
I've never heard of that GilScott Heron song and love it.
I'm Shocked.
Come on, feel the Noise is aremake and absolutely love
learning new little nuggets likethat.
Great episode, guys.
I like the new little nuggetspart.
That part was super cool.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
We're going to have to use that.
We're all about new littlenuggets.
Yes, kathy, thanks.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
A few days ago I posted on social media links to
our most listened to interviewsfrom 2024.
I shared them with the artistsand fan page groups, and Ian
Slater, whose bass and vocals ofAPB, shared my post on his
Facebook and they were onepisode 34.
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That's when Ian and George cameon with us and one comment
caught my attention.
That was on Ian's Facebook pageand Stacy in Colorado wrote
this was the best.
I met you in Atlanta at 688Club.
Wasn't old enough to get in,but y'all again.
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But y'all signed our poster,which I still have to this day.
I live in Colorado now, soplease come out here.
We had tickets to your gig inNew York City a few years back
but it got canceled and I justthink that's cool.
We've talked about 688, a clubfrom back in the day.
She's out's out in Colorado andI just love stories that.
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You know they all come fullcircle.
Now I had tickets to the showfor APP.
That got, uh, canceled also andit was during the pandemic.
It got pushed back and then itgot pushed back again and then,
I think, maybe a third time andthen finally they just canceled
it because you know they're fromScotland and trying to get to
the US and make plans, alongwith the rest of their regular
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lives, that they had, and I knowexactly what show Stacey's
talking about.
An email from a person and theemail says hey, I'm dell.
(14:40):
Host of mind.
The gap radio heard currently onwfdufm hd2, 89.1 fm, sunday
nights 10 pm to1 am.
I'm a close friend of Ian andhave transported and DJed for
them at Webster Hall and theMerck Mercury Lounge when they
are in the New Jersey area.
Their connection to us camethrough a small alt bar in
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northern New Jersey called theLoop Lounge, which on post.
Ian has talked about the LoopLounge many, many times.
I really enjoyed the interview.
I've interviewed him on airmany times.
I will start listening to yourpodcast.
My show breaks new Britishbands weekly, even at the age of
61.
And I thought that was a supercool email to get.
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Wfdu is run through FairleighDickinson.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
University is run through.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Fairleigh Dickinson University.
And again, his show is onSunday nights 10 pm to 1 am.
Breaking new British musicWFDUFM HD2, 89.1 FM.
That's very cool.
Yeah, so, dell, we definitelyappreciate that.
Thank you, jimmy.
We received a couple ofquestions for both of us.
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Great, okay.
So just for the record, soeverybody knows, I do not tell
Jimmy the questions beforehand,so everything as we talk, he's
answering for the first time.
So Rob in Hart County asks andwe'll break it down.
We're going to the first oneand then we'll go to the second.
Okay, number one, who is?
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Both of your favorite 80s rockbands?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Hmm, 80s rock bands.
Okay, so I would say not a bandthat started in the 70s and
went into the 80s, I would say aband from the 80s.
I'm just going to go with theReplacements.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh, that's a good call.
I like that.
Yeah, you know they're fromabout 1980, 81 through, you know
, 1989.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
They pretty much went head to tail of the 80s.
I loved all their records yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, I think it's tough, like you said.
I mean, you know, I like TomPenny and the Heartbreakers that
started in, you know, the late70s, and I like U2 that started
in the late 70s and I like U2that started in the late 70s,
even though their first albumdidn't come out until 1980.
Yeah, I think it's kind oftough.
Van Halen I like Van Halen alot.
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Another band that started inthe 70s and then probably their
best work was in the 70s, eventhough they were huger in the
1980s.
It's a good question.
I think that we need to thinkabout this a little bit and
maybe we come back and revisitthis.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh wait, so you had the question in advance and you
still can't come up with a band.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, what I wanted to do is I didn't want to look
like I had the perfect answer,so I didn't think about it at
all.
I didn't either, because Ididn't want to look like I had
the perfect answer, so I didn'tthink about it at all.
I didn't either because Ididn't know, because you didn't
know, and I wanted to be on thesame wavelength as you is what I
really wanted.
I didn't want to look like Ihad all the answers.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
But I came up with an answer.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You did, you did a good job with that.
I like the replacements.
I think the replacements isgood is good.
That's a great call, Thank you.
I love the Smiths from the 80s.
I don't know if people wouldconsider that rock band, but I
mean, to me the Smiths werefantastic, I think, compared to
you.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
know if people listen to classical music or country
or whatever, the Smiths are arock band for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I guess listening to classical country,
the smiths, the smiths soundlike a country band.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
If you listen to metal, you might not think the
smiths are rock.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't know true true, all right, so let's go to
question number two.
And also, who is your favoritefemale lead singer besides
debbie gibson and anne hathaway?
So you got me, obviously.
Rob remembers from previousepisodes where we talked about
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people that we listened to thatI guess you would be surprised
that we listened to.
Jimmy's was Anne Hathaway.
I mentioned Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, you want to go first on this one.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I will go first, since you said do I want to go
first on this one?
I will go first, since you saiddo I want to go first?
Yeah, I the heart.
I love Ann Wilson's vocals.
I just think that her vocalsare just absolutely fantastic.
But I also like Belinda Carlyle.
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I love Chrissy Hynde.
I mean I think there's so manythat I could go through.
I think when you ask what yourfavorite is, it's so difficult
to answer that If you ask me whomy favorite band is, that's
easy.
I mean it's the Beatles, handsdown.
There's no close to the secondor anything like that.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
But for most questions, if you say my
favorite, I can't tell you myfavorite between my second and
my third and my fourth.
You know.
That's why I say a lot of topfive or top ten.
It's so close.
You know, I don't know theanswer to that, but you know off
the top of my head because,again, I didn't want to think
too much about these.
I wanted it to be more of alive conversation with you and I
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.
What are you coming up with?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So I really like current bands.
I really like the band theBeths, and they're led by a
female lead singer, ElizabethStokes.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Not familiar with them at all?
No, you're not familiar withthe Beths.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, yeah, we need to get you into the Beths, You'd
like them.
And yeah, a lot of the ones younamed, I mean really heavy
hitters there you can't beat, isit Ann Wilson?
Ann Wilson, from Heart, Ialways get Ann and Nancy mixed
up, but yeah, nancy is theguitar.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Susie Sue, I love Susie Sue's vocals.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know a lot of people would be like who?
But I do, I just.
You know Shanae O'Connor, hervocals.
You know like there's just somany people I could think of.
I don't know if I can reallycome down.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know with who my favorite is On the way over here
.
You were listening to someMariah Carey, weren't you?
Yeah, you know it's reallyfunny.
I was listening to.
What's her name?
Ripperton, maya Rudolph'smother.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Minnie.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Ripperton, yeah, she came on something the other day
and I heard it and the songLoving you.
At the end of the song she goesMaya, maya, you know, for Maya
Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But when you listen to that song it sounds like it
is what Mariah Carey used forher training, the way that
Riverton goes with these highnotes.
And then Mariah Carey's likeI'm going to do that, but I'm
going to do it better, and Ithink that that.
You know yeah, I'm making thisup, but in my mind it was Mariah
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Carey's listening to that songover and over and over so that I
can hit those notes like shedoes.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and while we're on artists like that, I would
say that Donna Summer has somepipes.
Donna Summer can sing.
I was watching a show one time,live, and they were really
singing live.
And Kenny Rogers came on.
And Kenny Rogers first of all,he had him singing Islands in
the Stream by himself, not as aduet, even with a place filler
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person, just singing it himself,and he was like, ooh, that was
a little rough, but hey, it'slive.
And then Donna Summer comes onand just blows everybody away,
really, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, I think that's some good questions by Rob.
We definitely appreciate it.
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Music In my Shoes Mailbag Alright, jimmy, let's
revisit some music from the past.
John Lennon, instant Karma,released as a single in the US
February 20th 1970, two weeksafter its UK release.
Produced by Phil Spectoror withGeorge Harrison on guitar,
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klaus Vorman on bass, alan Whiteon drums, and all of them
contributed playing piano andthat's why they get that really
strong piano effect when youlisten to the song.
You know Phil does his wall ofsound so you get that echoey
chamber type thing.
But originally it was John onpiano and then he made them all
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play the song on the piano andthat's why it sounds so cool.
So you know, the Spectrerecording process, you know,
made it sound so different thanany Beatles song.
You know, it was definitely myfavorite John Lennon song up
until Watching the Wheels cameout, and that came out just over
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10 years later.
So Instant Karma definitely wasa song I would listen to all
the time.
It was just so cool.
You know, the piano, boom, boom, you know, and then the drums,
and then Instant Karma is goingto get and you just like you
could sing along with it.
It just was like it was almostlike an anthem song to me.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Instant Karma is going to get you, going to knock
you right on the head.
You better get yourselftogether Pretty soon you're
going to be dead.
I mean, what a way to open asong.
I love those words RightReleased, words right released
as instant karma.
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In the uk the title was changedto instant karma we all shine
on.
In the us, stephen king's bookthe shining, which was published
in 1977, was inspired by thechorus of the song we all shine
on, and that's how the shining,the title and everything came to
be too cool is it not?
wow, yeah, insikara peaks atnumber three on the billboard
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hot 100, march 28th 1970.
The same week, the beatles letit be was number two.
So think about, about that, letit be.
You know, much slower.
We talked about it and BridgeOver Troubled Water being
similar, some, you know, justslower, paul McCartney singing
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it with the piano, and just youknow different.
And then you got this instantkarma.
You know, boom, boom, you know.
And Simon and Garfunkel'sbridge was number one.
So, march 28th, lennon at three, beatles at two, simon and
Garfunkel at number one.
While we all shine on, like themoon and the stars and the sun,
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while we all shine on everyone.
Come on, let's move to 1980,.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Jimmy with the Ramones End of the Century.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Speaking of Phil Spector.
Speaking of Phil Spector Comesout February 4th 1980.
After recording their firstfour studio albums in New York,
the Ramones went out to LosAngeles to make this album with
Spector as producer.
This was the album to take themto the top and make them a
commercial success.
But what could go wrong withthat?
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And the answer is lots, lots,lots could go wrong with it.
You know there's rumors thatPhil Spector kept them in the
studio with you know his guns.
You know he was famous forhaving guns on them.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
They said that in their documentary.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, yeah you know it's just insane playing the
same thing over and over.
It could be two or three notesor chords or whatever, and for
hours now, like 50 takes.
Yeah, let's do it again, let'sdo it again.
And this is the ram, theRamones, who are the band that
every song is one, two, three,four song is over.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That was pretty good Thank you Thank you Kind of what
they sound like.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Everything for them was quick.
You know.
Whether they were playing liveor the recording process, it was
just boom play.
You know there wasn't a lot oftakes of any of the songs until
they met Phil Spector.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
They were also an incredibly tight band, like
whenever you saw them live.
They didn't make mistakes,their songs were simple but like
they nailed them, so I'm surethey were kind of like why are
you making us do this?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
again.
Right?
Someone's telling us that we'renot doing the right thing.
Let's do this again, Right?
Someone's telling us that we'renot doing the right thing.
Yeah, and I'm sure that thatwas very difficult for them
because again they were tight.
They were one, two, three, four, they were boom.
You know they could haveprobably done a whole box set
within the first hour that theyspent with Phil Spector.
That they got one or two chordscompleted, you know.
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So the song Rock and Roll HighSchool was on the album Great
song.
I love it.
But it was released as a singleduring the summer of 79 for the
film Rock and Roll High School.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Different version, by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It is a different version.
Which version do you like?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I like them both, but I think I like the single
version better.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Do you Mm-hmm, like?
I like them both, but I think Ilike the single version better.
Do you?
Did you know that they borrowedJoan Jett's guitar for the song
?
Oh cool, they rented outequipment when they went out to
LA and somebody knew Joan Jettand they got her guitar because
they thought for power chords itwould sound much better than
the equipment that they had.
Baby, I Love you was a cover ofSpector's 60s band the Ronettes
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Doesn't do much for me at alland I like when they redo 60s
songs.
I really do, but I almost feelI have no knowledge.
I'm just saying he was partialwriter of this song.
I think he convinced them thatthis would be a great song to do
.
I think so.
I don't like it at all.
Your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No, no, I think it was like a pandering attempt to
get you know a love song thatwomen would like and you know
whatever, you know kind of acrossover thing, and it just
fell flat on its face.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It was the wimpiest thing they ever did.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Now, I love Needles and Pins.
We've talked about that.
I love that song.
I think they do a great jobwith Needles and Pins.
This I just feel like theydialed it in, or Phil dialed it
in.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, Needles and Pins was on the previous album.
By the way, Correct Road toRuin Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
When we talked about Road to Ruin and you know and
it's funny, because Road to Ruin, phil wanted to produce that
album and the Ramones said no,I'm glad because I love that
album.
So many songs on there aregreat songs he would have ruined
it.
Yeah, oh, it would have.
It really would have been Roadto Ruin for sure.
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Do you remember Rock and RollRadio, released as a single in
May 1980, starts off with thechanging of the radio stations,
with the turning dial, the knoband then a DJ saying this is
Rock and Roll Radio.
Come on, let's rock and rollwith the Ramones, and I'm a
sucker for that.
I'm a sucker.
That just pulls me right intothe song.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And then the drums kick in and it's very Phil
Spector, big reverb drums, butit sounds great.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yes, and it is without a doubt.
You almost expect one of theRonettes to start singing when
the song starts Throwback to the60s, remembering musicians and
shows that they grew up with,and I connected with the lines
it's the end, the end of the 70s, it's the end the end of the
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century.
So to me when the 70s ended itwas kind of like a big deal
because I was kind of at thatage understanding oh my God, the
70s are over, Now this is 1980.
All these new things, all thesethings that are going to happen
, and the excitement.
And when the Ramones sang thatand this song was on the radio a
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lot by me, you know, I heard ita lot so you would be like, man
, this is exciting.
Like the Ramones got me excitedfor the 80s because the 70s
were over.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
So and you know who else theymention in that string of names?
They mention John Lennon.
Yes, they mention Murray the K.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
They do the DJ Murray , the K Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So T-Rex.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, I mean, what was that show Hullabaloo?
Yes, they mentioned that right.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So, Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Any other thoughts?
Upbeat Shindig and Ed Sullivantoo.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Man, you're going to sing the whole song.
You do have more thoughts onthis.
This is good.
You know, we talked someepisodes ago and we talked about
how the first I don't rememberhow many albums were really good
albums.
Did you say the first fouralbums or the first five albums?
Where does this fall for you,this album with the decline of
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the Ramones?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah.
So the first three aredefinitely solid gold and then
the fourth, road to ruin.
That's that's grouped into.
So that's the first four, butthe first three are a little
more special.
And then, yeah, end of thecentury, uh, then pleasant
dreams, then subterranean jungle.
(32:24):
Those were all a big step belowthose first four.
Yeah, but they had some greatsongs on them.
You know, like we talked about,do you remember rock and roll.
Radio is a really good song.
There's some good songs on likeyou know, like we talked about,
do you remember Rock and RollRadio is a really good song.
There's some good songs on likeSide B of End of the Century,
like let's Go is a cool rocksong.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I think what I've heard through the years,
that it was a hugedisappointment for the Ramones
because they thought that havingPhil Spector on board this
really was going to give themsome commercial success.
This was really going to givethem some opportunities that
they thought that they deserved.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I think they always thought that success was
right around the corner and Ithink once this album didn't
work, they were like, okay, thisis our reality, we're a touring
rock band, that that's what wedo.
So they they kind of, I thinkthey quit trying to get big
producers and have hit songs andjust said we'll put a, we'll
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put a record out every year orso and we'll tour the U?
S every year and we'll prettymuch, uh, that's our life.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, and the funny thing is is you know they really
were, which is probably biggerthan being a success.
Like influencing people, Ithink is super cool and how many
bands they influenced.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think they knew.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I mean they were already influencing those bands
because they all died, I guess,in the late 90s, early 2000s,
yeah late 90s, early 2000s, butto see how many kids still wear
Ramone shirts, like when youwalk around and go somewhere,
and to see that it's just cool.
I know they don't know anysongs, but it is cool.
(34:11):
Hey, jimmy, according to mywatch, it's Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy, Minute with Jimmy, Minute with
Jimmy.
All right, so in February 1980,45 years ago, Squeeze released
Argy Bargy, a really great album, really important post-punk
album.
I think it was like people werewondering what music is going
to do after punk.
(34:40):
And here's this band thatwrites really really great pop
songs.
But they're different.
They're not like the pop songsyou hear on commercial radio in
the US and it had three what Iconsider big squeeze hits on it
Another Nail in my Heart If IDidn't Love you, and Pulling
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Muscles from the Shell.
Pulling Muscles from the Shell.
Difford wrote the, the lyrics.
I didn't realize he's he's aprimary lyricist, while uh glenn
tilbrook writes the music anduh differed wrote that about a
british summer camp, like afamily camp that he used to go
to uh with like working classfamilies and you got to go to a
beach in Britain and it was justall these little vignette
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stories about different peoplefrom that camp.
Great record.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It is a great record, jimmy.
I would put that in my top 10most influential albums on me
personally, and I still listento it religiously.
I don't think there's a weekthat goes by that I don't listen
to some of the tracks on thatalbum.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
What are your favorite songs on it?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
The three you mentioned, obviously, because
Pulling Muscles like that wasjust so different from
everything that was happening atthat point in 1980.
It's one of those things, thisalbum and the song it's again.
It's one of those things where13-year-old Jim is having
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something that's his.
It's not my parents, it's notmy uncles, it's not my aunts,
this is my music and I reallydug things like that.
I think I'm Go-Go on.
The album is really cool.
And they talk about one pointPIX and rock and roll, and that
was a radio station in New York,wpix, and long before WLIR they
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played.
It was called From Elvis toElvis, everything from Elvis
Presley to Elvis Costello, andthey would play Squeeze and they
would play Squeeze and theywould play Boomtown Rats and
they would play Elvis.
You know all these differentthings and you got to hear all
this stuff and that they mentionit in the song and when you
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look it up you can always theyalways say, oh yeah, this was
the WPIX, this radio stationthat would play it, and I get a
kick out of that.
I love stuff like that.
I think Separate Beds anothergreat song.
I think everything on the albumis fantastic.
Really really good album thatyou can listen to from beginning
to end.
The deluxe version has someB-sides but it's got a concert
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from March of 80 over in England.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Oh, I need to listen to that.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's fantastic because you know it hits all of
the songs that are on Argy Bargy, but then it also goes back and
picks up some of the differenthits from previous albums.
I love it.
It's so influential.
I've seen Squeeze so many timesand just really good memories
and it was mine.
(37:50):
It was not just me, but me andmy friends, it was our music and
that's what I liked about it.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, somehow they figured out a way to write songs
that are really accessible.
But it's like the people thatwere a little older than us,
they weren't necessarily intosqueeze, like it was more our,
our generation.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, and you know, I saw them most recently.
We talked about when I saw themat, uh, the Stone Pony outdoor
stage in New Jersey and what wasthat?
That was in 2023.
And I still go see them.
I mean, I love them and theyare.
They sound great still, theycan still sing.
It's, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
They sound amazing.
Now, and and Glenn Tilbrook isprobably one of the greatest
guitar players out there.
You know he really he doesn'tshow up in a lot of lists of
greatest guitar players becauseyou just tend to think more
towards, like, hard rock, buthe's an awesome guitar player
they had a new bass player and Icannot think of his name John
(38:52):
Bentley maybe I'm not sure ifthat's it, but he said you know
it's kind of missing something.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Why don't we add the?
It's not the xylophone, it'sthe marimba.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Marimba yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So if you listen to the song, it starts off with the
guitar but it has the marimbawhere it goes and that is such a
great sound.
The bass player coming up withthat.
That was fantastic.
Definitely great job there.
That was a fantastic minutewith Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
All right, getting props from the host.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Always, jimmy, always .
My name is Jimmy, Jimmy.
I know we're getting towardsthe end of the show, but I
wanted to mention the StoneRoses out of Manchester, england
, on February 3, 1990.
I Want to Be Adored.
Peaked at number 18 on theBillboard Alternative Airplay
chart.
The song starts off with soundsthat I'm not sure what they are
(39:58):
, to be honest with you.
Then the bass starts, then theguitars come in a bit, after
then the drums and it's like aminute and a half.
Finally, the song is like asong where the whole band is
playing.
It's a surprisingly quiet song.
All the way through it, theself-titled album it's got like
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this psychedelic feel to it andit was produced by John Leckie
and he would work his way upfrom tape operator to engineer,
to mixer, to producer in hiscareer Starting in 1970, he
worked on albums by GeorgeHarrison, john Lennon, derek and
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the Dominoes, argent, sidBarrett, mccartney, pink Floyd,
public Image Limited.
He did the Public Image song,which is a great song XTC Simple
Minds the Fall, let's Active.
Every Dog has Its Day in 87.
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He was the producer on that.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I just ordered that actually did you really as a
gift for a friend.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, John Leckie, radiohead, the Bends, cooler
Shaker, the K Album 96.
I love Cooler Shaker.
There's probably no one elseout there that does, but I love
them and if I could get theopportunity to mention them I
took it.
A ton of others.
I mean, this guy has done somuch, it's just so cool that he
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could be part of it.
So I really liked the songShoot you Down off the album and
it's another quiet song Like.
The album is so quiet and thealbum is made list as one of the
best albums of the 80s sinceit's been released.
When it was released it was ona lot of album excuse me, a lot
of charts for best albums of alltime and that's kind of weaned
(41:54):
a little bit, but it's more ofone of the best albums of the
80s.
I'm not sure that I would saythat I like some of the songs.
I think they're good, but Idefinitely can think of a lot of
other albums to me that arebetter.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
It might be the best album of that Manchester era in
the late 80s, you know Right.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, it could be, yeah, it could be, and maybe
that's why.
And Manchester, I mean we couldtalk seven shows straight just
on Manchester, all the differentbands that have come out of
there, all the different musicyou know factory records and the
Hacienda that New Order wasassociated with, we could go on
forever.
And Happy Mondays and Oasis,and you know everything that-
(42:40):
yeah, and go back to theBuzzcocks in 1977.
And I had a feeling that youwere going to bring that up.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a longrange of history that
Manchester has done, and it'sfunny because a lot of times
when they talk you have to havesubtitles.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Right yeah, that northern accent.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes.
So five years later, onFebruary 18th 1995, their song
Love Spreads peaks at number twoon the alternative airplay
charts.
They turned the volume up onthis one, jimmy.
All right, the guitar.
You know John Squire, I mean,he's just coming right out of
the box with the guitar playing,yeah, and it's a heck of a
guitar song when you listen toit.
(43:19):
It's a heck of a guitar songwhen you listen to it.
I saw them play live May 14th1995 in Atlanta at the Midtown
Music Festival.
It was their first US show andthere was so much hype and
anticipation, not just on localradio but Rolling Stone magazine
(43:40):
.
I subscribed to it and theywere talking about how it was
coming up and just different youknow media things everybody was
talking about and I was like Iwas there, you know, or I was
going.
Actually at the time they onlyplayed in about 10 US cities and
then the band broke up in late1996.
They got together again acouple of times for some
reunions.
It just didn't work out forthem, but it was cool seeing
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them at Midtown Music Festivalin 1995.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, I was there, were you.
Yeah, I lived right across thestreet.
I lived on 8th, so just thatwas back when it was right at
10th.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yes, I actually liked where it was.
That's my favorite of all theplaces.
It that right there, that area?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
was my favorite.
It became the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Correct and we'll talk more about that in May when
we talk about the 30thanniversary of the Midtown Music
Festival 1995.
But for now that's it forEpisode 64 of Music in my Shoes.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located righthere in Atlanta, georgia, and
(44:45):
Vic Thrill for our podcast music.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing.
I'm ready to go.
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Boge, and you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 64.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
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I saw an advertisement, jimmy,that the Pat Travers Band was
playing a show here in AtlantaImmediately.
I think, about the song they didwith David Bowie 40 years ago,
and it was this Is Not Americafrom the film the Falcon and the
Snowman.
So the song peaks at number 32on the Billboard Hot 100, march
23rd 1985.
And I'll be honest with you, Ididn't really like the song when
(01:20):
it came out, but it's one ofthose songs that kind of grows
on you.
You know it's a much slowersong than what I was accustomed
to from David Bowie and you knowit just was very different than
anything that I was listeningto.
But, believe it or not, it wasplayed a lot on LIR, so I would
hear it a lot.
So the film Falcon and thesnowman have you seen the movie?
No, I haven't.
(01:40):
So the film Falcon and theSnowman have you seen the movie?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No I haven't.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It was released January 25th 1985, 40 years ago.
But I didn't see it until 1986on HBO and I remember there was
all this hype.
You know this movie's comingout and you know you got to see
it and I saw it on HBO in 86.
Based on a true story twofriends, christopher Boyce,
played by Timothy Hutton, who'sthe Falcon, and Andrew Dalton
(02:07):
Lee, portrayed by Sean Penn,who's the snowman.
So let's just cut to the chase.
The Falcon guy he's intofalconry, you know the bird and
putting a little hood on themand the whole nine yards.
And the snowman is a cocaineand heroin dealer.
Small time, not like a big,huge guy.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So hence the Falcon and the snowman.
Unlike Smokey and the Bandit,the snowman was a truck driver
that got beer.
Correct, yeah, this is a wholenother snowman.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, they were eastbound and down Very, very
different.
Okay, so they sold secrets tothe Russians in Mexico in the
mid-1970s and, of course, theygot caught.
Boyce was sentenced to 40 yearsin prison in 1977.
He was released just over 25years later, in 2002.
(03:03):
Just over 25 years later, in2002, lee was sentenced to life
in prison because he wasactually the guy that was
meeting with the Russians inMexico.
He was the middleman.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Okay.
Which one is he?
The snowman or the falcon thesnowman?
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
He was released in 1998, only serving 21 years.
So I guess some of the secretsmaybe they weren't super top
secret or whatever but theyfound it to let these guys get
out of here.
So I remember the film as a bitslow and kind of dragging on.
So I rewatched it and yes, itwas really slow and it really
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didn't captivate me.
Like watching it again thesecond time was no different
than when I watched it thatfirst time.
And I understand it's a storythat you know.
It's not exciting.
There's no car chases and allthese different things that
Hollywood would put in becauseit just didn't happen.
But re-watching the movie mademe realize that it was the Pat
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Metheny group and not the PatTravers band that recorded this
Is Not America with David Bowie.
I had the whole wrong band.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh, okay, well, that makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, very, very, very different.
And I just started laughing Inthe movie.
All of a sudden it just came tome.
I'm like, hey, it wasn't PatTravers, it's Pat Metheny.
So the song's kind of aboutdisillusionment for the guy, for
Boyce the Falcon.
You know his disillusionment,you know with the American
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government and you know sellingCIA secrets to the Russians, and
that's kind of where the wholesong comes from.
So I don't know Pat Travers,pat Metheny.
I'm not sure how I got the twomixed up.
Somehow I did, and I ended upwatching the movie again that I
didn't really like the firsttime and with the same exact
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results almost 40 years later.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The other day I read a post on social media from
singer-songwriter-producer ButchWalker, who fronted the band
Marvelous 3 from here in Atlanta.
Georgia Yep Post has a pictureof a guy with the caption this
is my pal, matt Pinfield.
This is what Butch wrote on hissocial media.
Matt is a legend in the musicbusiness.
(05:25):
He can school anyone in rockand roll trivia and he's a hell
of a wonderful human.
Matt suffered a severe strokerecently, has been in the
hospital for weeks now.
I'm not asking you for anything, I'm just asking you to keep
him in your thoughts.
This dude was a huge believerin me from the get-go and before
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we met on the set of MTV forthe show he hosted 120 Minutes.
I would watch it religiously.
He was like listening to a rockand roll almanac speak when he
would talk.
In between videos, butch goeson to continue to praise Matt.
Very sad to hear this and it wasonly 13 episodes ago.
(06:08):
We were talking about MatthewSweetstroke and you know it's
just sad when things like thishappen.
I mean it happens to everybody.
It doesn't matter if you'reregular people like you and I,
or if you're a rock star oractor famous.
Have money, don't have money,and you know, I think at the end
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we all have to make sure we goand go to the doctor and get
checked out for things and ifthere's things that can be done
to help prevent stuff becauseyou know we keep talking about
different things happening topeople- that's a good reminder.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Now, is there any update on Matthew Sweet?
Do you know?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The last update I saw was in December and Matthew
said that he probably will notplay guitar again, oh man, and
that he wants to make musicsomehow, but that's probably not
playing the guitar, and that'sthe last update that I've seen.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, I just hope he gets healthy.
I mean, that's what's important, I guess, at this point is that
he recovers.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, that really is.
I mean, it's sad.
I mean Matt Penfield reallylike he is a walking almanac
kind of like Butch Walker talkedabout, and the knowledge that
he has is just insane.
In so many bands insane and somany bands.
And you know episode 44.
(07:29):
We spoke about him meeting uhthe killers in a garage before
they got big and listening tothem and you know they were so
excited.
And you know matt's um memoiris is uh, named after a killer
song.
I think what is it?
All the things I've done andright, you know it again, it's
definitely sad.
So on January 6, 2025, the dayhe suffered the stroke, Matt
(07:51):
posted a picture of himself infront of a video camera,
Starting another week withgratitude for a life surrounded
by great people, life-changingmusic and unforgettable
experiences that I never takefor granted.
Here's to another week, anotherday, open heart and open mind.
(08:12):
Let's rock.
And shortly after, that is whenhe actually had a stroke and
that's unbelievable.
To have those words.
You're definitely in ourthoughts, Matt.
Yes, Do you know what time itis?
What time?
Yes, it's Music in my Shoesmailbag time.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Music in my Shoes mailbag.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Back on episode 60, cars VH1, and Brass in Pocket.
Kareem in New York comments Ilove what you do.
I love music.
What's more, I think I'm partof it.
It's very true.
The stories and your anecdotesbring back memories.
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
I think they're anecdotes.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I thought so too.
I couldn't think of it.
I meant to ask you beforehand.
Yeah, so you know whatAnecdotes, ladies and gentlemen,
yeah.
Anecdotes.
You know I have trouble withsome words.
I'm here to help.
That's not a mystery to theshow, so I was going to ask you
beforehand but we've got thatcorrected now, ladies and
(09:25):
gentlemen.
But I think it's really coolwhat Corrine says about you know
the stories and the anecdotesand that they bring back
memories and you know I guessthat's really kind of the whole
point of the show, you know,kind of thinking about some
things that you may haveforgotten or learning about new
things that you didn't know,absolutely.
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Episode 61, cabbage Patch DollsKeep Falling on my Head.
Estrella writes I still havemine and I have some collection.
Love them.
Debbie says still have theoriginal Cabbage Patch Dolls.
I could probably go for about30 minutes listing all the
(10:07):
people who wrote in about thatthat they have their original
cabbage patch, gave them totheir kids well you know, and
and the amount of people thatbought them and left them in the
original wrappers and didn't doanything with them whatsoever
oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
yeah, I like to play with stuff, though, right, not
that I play with cabbage patchdolls.
You know what I'm saying,though.
It's like take it out of thepackage, do something with it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I agree with you.
You know, that's the wholepoint of.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
But they're probably worth a lot.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
They are, they actually are.
I've been, you know, since thiswhole thing.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I talked about this.
I've looked a lot online.
They really are worth a wholelot, especially if you have the
birth certificate.
Oh, what if you have a birthcertificate that has like David
Lee Roth on it, or whatever youdid, there are birth
certificates like that out therethat I had part to do with.
Yes, I bet you could get ahundred bucks on eBay if you
found one of those.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
What if I signed it?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well then you could get a hundred bucks.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
So let's move on.
Episode 62, tokyo TroublesDowntown.
And the King of Rock, kathy inGeorgia, says just finished
listening to the recent episodeand loved it.
I learned so much when you wentthrough the innovative songs
ahead of their time and that,Jimmy, that was something that
you brought up, which was a realcool thing that we did.
(11:34):
Also, I checked out the otherversions, that y'all and it's
funny because I don't know ifI've ever written y'all.
You know I have this writtendown so that I know exactly what
people wrote into the mailbag,right, I don't do it off the top
of my head, I would notremember it, but I laughed when
I was writing y'all because youknow I was like, wait, how do
(11:55):
you spell that?
Uh, I don't think I've everwritten it before y apostrophe
all that is correct.
Well, you would know you arefrom here.
So yes, again, also that also.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I checked that's what we learned in school, at least.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
No, you did not.
No, I'm kidding.
Okay, all right.
So Kathy says also I checkedout the other versions that
y'all mentioned the Earth, windand Fire version of Got to Get
you Into my Life, and it justmakes me want to snap my fingers
, especially in the beginning ofthe song.
(12:27):
I've never heard of that GilScott Heron song and love it.
I'm Shocked.
Come on, feel the Noise is aremake and absolutely love
learning new little nuggets likethat.
Great episode, guys.
I like the new little nuggetspart.
That part was super cool.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
We're going to have to use that.
We're all about new littlenuggets.
Yes, kathy, thanks.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
A few days ago I posted on social media links to
our most listened to interviewsfrom 2024.
I shared them with the artistsand fan page groups, and Ian
Slater, whose bass and vocals ofAPB, shared my post on his
Facebook and they were onepisode 34.
(13:11):
That's when Ian and George cameon with us and one comment
caught my attention.
That was on Ian's Facebook pageand Stacy in Colorado wrote
this was the best.
I met you in Atlanta at 688Club.
Wasn't old enough to get in,but y'all again.
(13:31):
But y'all signed our poster,which I still have to this day.
I live in Colorado now, soplease come out here.
We had tickets to your gig inNew York City a few years back
but it got canceled and I justthink that's cool.
We've talked about 688, a clubfrom back in the day.
She's out's out in Colorado andI just love stories that.
(13:56):
You know they all come fullcircle.
Now I had tickets to the showfor APP.
That got, uh, canceled also andit was during the pandemic.
It got pushed back and then itgot pushed back again and then,
I think, maybe a third time andthen finally they just canceled
it because you know they're fromScotland and trying to get to
the US and make plans, alongwith the rest of their regular
(14:18):
lives, that they had, and I knowexactly what show Stacey's
talking about.
An email from a person and theemail says hey, I'm dell.
(14:40):
Host of mind.
The gap radio heard currently onwfdufm hd2, 89.1 fm, sunday
nights 10 pm to1 am.
I'm a close friend of Ian andhave transported and DJed for
them at Webster Hall and theMerck Mercury Lounge when they
are in the New Jersey area.
Their connection to us camethrough a small alt bar in
(15:04):
northern New Jersey called theLoop Lounge, which on post.
Ian has talked about the LoopLounge many, many times.
I really enjoyed the interview.
I've interviewed him on airmany times.
I will start listening to yourpodcast.
My show breaks new Britishbands weekly, even at the age of
61.
And I thought that was a supercool email to get.
(15:26):
Wfdu is run through FairleighDickinson.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
University is run through.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Fairleigh Dickinson University.
And again, his show is onSunday nights 10 pm to 1 am.
Breaking new British musicWFDUFM HD2, 89.1 FM.
That's very cool.
Yeah, so, dell, we definitelyappreciate that.
Thank you, jimmy.
We received a couple ofquestions for both of us.
(15:53):
Great, okay.
So just for the record, soeverybody knows, I do not tell
Jimmy the questions beforehand,so everything as we talk, he's
answering for the first time.
So Rob in Hart County asks andwe'll break it down.
We're going to the first oneand then we'll go to the second.
Okay, number one, who is?
(16:14):
Both of your favorite 80s rockbands?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Hmm, 80s rock bands.
Okay, so I would say not a bandthat started in the 70s and
went into the 80s, I would say aband from the 80s.
I'm just going to go with theReplacements.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh, that's a good call.
I like that.
Yeah, you know they're fromabout 1980, 81 through, you know
, 1989.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
They pretty much went head to tail of the 80s.
I loved all their records yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, I think it's tough, like you said.
I mean, you know, I like TomPenny and the Heartbreakers that
started in, you know, the late70s, and I like U2 that started
in the late 70s and I like U2that started in the late 70s,
even though their first albumdidn't come out until 1980.
Yeah, I think it's kind oftough.
Van Halen I like Van Halen alot.
(17:04):
Another band that started inthe 70s and then probably their
best work was in the 70s, eventhough they were huger in the
1980s.
It's a good question.
I think that we need to thinkabout this a little bit and
maybe we come back and revisitthis.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh wait, so you had the question in advance and you
still can't come up with a band.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, what I wanted to do is I didn't want to look
like I had the perfect answer,so I didn't think about it at
all.
I didn't either, because Ididn't want to look like I had
the perfect answer, so I didn'tthink about it at all.
I didn't either because Ididn't know, because you didn't
know, and I wanted to be on thesame wavelength as you is what I
really wanted.
I didn't want to look like Ihad all the answers.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
But I came up with an answer.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You did, you did a good job with that.
I like the replacements.
I think the replacements isgood is good.
That's a great call, Thank you.
I love the Smiths from the 80s.
I don't know if people wouldconsider that rock band, but I
mean, to me the Smiths werefantastic, I think, compared to
you.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
know if people listen to classical music or country
or whatever, the Smiths are arock band for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I guess listening to classical country,
the smiths, the smiths soundlike a country band.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
If you listen to metal, you might not think the
smiths are rock.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I don't know true true, all right, so let's go to
question number two.
And also, who is your favoritefemale lead singer besides
debbie gibson and anne hathaway?
So you got me, obviously.
Rob remembers from previousepisodes where we talked about
(18:40):
people that we listened to thatI guess you would be surprised
that we listened to.
Jimmy's was Anne Hathaway.
I mentioned Debbie Gibson.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Okay, you want to go first on this one.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I will go first, since you said do I want to go
first on this one?
I will go first, since you saiddo I want to go first?
Yeah, I the heart.
I love Ann Wilson's vocals.
I just think that her vocalsare just absolutely fantastic.
But I also like Belinda Carlyle.
(19:11):
I love Chrissy Hynde.
I mean I think there's so manythat I could go through.
I think when you ask what yourfavorite is, it's so difficult
to answer that If you ask me whomy favorite band is, that's
easy.
I mean it's the Beatles, handsdown.
There's no close to the secondor anything like that.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
But for most questions, if you say my
favorite, I can't tell you myfavorite between my second and
my third and my fourth.
You know.
That's why I say a lot of topfive or top ten.
It's so close.
You know, I don't know theanswer to that, but you know off
the top of my head because,again, I didn't want to think
too much about these.
I wanted it to be more of alive conversation with you and I
(19:54):
.
What are you coming up with?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So I really like current bands.
I really like the band theBeths, and they're led by a
female lead singer, ElizabethStokes.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Not familiar with them at all?
No, you're not familiar withthe Beths.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, yeah, we need to get you into the Beths, You'd
like them.
And yeah, a lot of the ones younamed, I mean really heavy
hitters there you can't beat, isit Ann Wilson?
Ann Wilson, from Heart, Ialways get Ann and Nancy mixed
up, but yeah, nancy is theguitar.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Susie Sue, I love Susie Sue's vocals.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You know a lot of people would be like who?
But I do, I just.
You know Shanae O'Connor, hervocals.
You know like there's just somany people I could think of.
I don't know if I can reallycome down.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
You know with who my favorite is On the way over here
.
You were listening to someMariah Carey, weren't you?
Yeah, you know it's reallyfunny.
I was listening to.
What's her name?
Ripperton, maya Rudolph'smother.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Minnie.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Ripperton, yeah, she came on something the other day
and I heard it and the songLoving you.
At the end of the song she goesMaya, maya, you know, for Maya
Rudolph.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But when you listen to that song it sounds like it
is what Mariah Carey used forher training, the way that
Riverton goes with these highnotes.
And then Mariah Carey's likeI'm going to do that, but I'm
going to do it better, and Ithink that that.
You know yeah, I'm making thisup, but in my mind it was Mariah
(21:47):
Carey's listening to that songover and over and over so that I
can hit those notes like shedoes.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, and while we're on artists like that, I would
say that Donna Summer has somepipes.
Donna Summer can sing.
I was watching a show one time,live, and they were really
singing live.
And Kenny Rogers came on.
And Kenny Rogers first of all,he had him singing Islands in
the Stream by himself, not as aduet, even with a place filler
(22:18):
person, just singing it himself,and he was like, ooh, that was
a little rough, but hey, it'slive.
And then Donna Summer comes onand just blows everybody away,
really, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Yeah, I think that's some good questions by Rob.
We definitely appreciate it.
We appreciate everybody thathas wrote into the show or
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Music In my Shoes Mailbag Alright, jimmy, let's
revisit some music from the past.
John Lennon, instant Karma,released as a single in the US
February 20th 1970, two weeksafter its UK release.
Produced by Phil Spectoror withGeorge Harrison on guitar,
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klaus Vorman on bass, alan Whiteon drums, and all of them
contributed playing piano andthat's why they get that really
strong piano effect when youlisten to the song.
You know Phil does his wall ofsound so you get that echoey
chamber type thing.
But originally it was John onpiano and then he made them all
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play the song on the piano andthat's why it sounds so cool.
So you know, the Spectrerecording process, you know,
made it sound so different thanany Beatles song.
You know, it was definitely myfavorite John Lennon song up
until Watching the Wheels cameout, and that came out just over
(24:01):
10 years later.
So Instant Karma definitely wasa song I would listen to all
the time.
It was just so cool.
You know, the piano, boom, boom, you know, and then the drums,
and then Instant Karma is goingto get and you just like you
could sing along with it.
It just was like it was almostlike an anthem song to me.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Instant Karma is going to get you, going to knock
you right on the head.
You better get yourselftogether Pretty soon you're
going to be dead.
I mean, what a way to open asong.
I love those words RightReleased, words right released
as instant karma.
(24:40):
In the uk the title was changedto instant karma we all shine
on.
In the us, stephen king's bookthe shining, which was published
in 1977, was inspired by thechorus of the song we all shine
on, and that's how the shining,the title and everything came to
be too cool is it not?
wow, yeah, insikara peaks atnumber three on the billboard
(25:03):
hot 100, march 28th 1970.
The same week, the beatles letit be was number two.
So think about, about that, letit be.
You know, much slower.
We talked about it and BridgeOver Troubled Water being
similar, some, you know, justslower, paul McCartney singing
(25:23):
it with the piano, and just youknow different.
And then you got this instantkarma.
You know, boom, boom, you know.
And Simon and Garfunkel'sbridge was number one.
So, march 28th, lennon at three, beatles at two, simon and
Garfunkel at number one.
While we all shine on, like themoon and the stars and the sun,
(25:52):
while we all shine on everyone.
Come on, let's move to 1980,.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Jimmy with the Ramones End of the Century.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Speaking of Phil Spector.
Speaking of Phil Spector Comesout February 4th 1980.
After recording their firstfour studio albums in New York,
the Ramones went out to LosAngeles to make this album with
Spector as producer.
This was the album to take themto the top and make them a
commercial success.
But what could go wrong withthat?
(26:20):
And the answer is lots, lots,lots could go wrong with it.
You know there's rumors thatPhil Spector kept them in the
studio with you know his guns.
You know he was famous forhaving guns on them.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
They said that in their documentary.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yes, yeah you know it's just insane playing the
same thing over and over.
It could be two or three notesor chords or whatever, and for
hours now, like 50 takes.
Yeah, let's do it again, let'sdo it again.
And this is the ram, theRamones, who are the band that
every song is one, two, three,four song is over.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
That was pretty good Thank you Thank you Kind of what
they sound like.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Everything for them was quick.
You know.
Whether they were playing liveor the recording process, it was
just boom play.
You know there wasn't a lot oftakes of any of the songs until
they met Phil Spector.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
They were also an incredibly tight band, like
whenever you saw them live.
They didn't make mistakes,their songs were simple but like
they nailed them, so I'm surethey were kind of like why are
you making us do this?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
again.
Right?
Someone's telling us that we'renot doing the right thing.
Let's do this again, Right?
Someone's telling us that we'renot doing the right thing.
Yeah, and I'm sure that thatwas very difficult for them
because again they were tight.
They were one, two, three, four, they were boom.
You know they could haveprobably done a whole box set
within the first hour that theyspent with Phil Spector.
That they got one or two chordscompleted, you know.
(27:52):
So the song Rock and Roll HighSchool was on the album Great
song.
I love it.
But it was released as a singleduring the summer of 79 for the
film Rock and Roll High School.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Different version, by the way.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It is a different version.
Which version do you like?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
I like them both, but I think I like the single
version better.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Do you Mm-hmm, like?
I like them both, but I think Ilike the single version better.
Do you?
Did you know that they borrowedJoan Jett's guitar for the song
?
Oh cool, they rented outequipment when they went out to
LA and somebody knew Joan Jettand they got her guitar because
they thought for power chords itwould sound much better than
the equipment that they had.
Baby, I Love you was a cover ofSpector's 60s band the Ronettes
(28:38):
Doesn't do much for me at alland I like when they redo 60s
songs.
I really do, but I almost feelI have no knowledge.
I'm just saying he was partialwriter of this song.
I think he convinced them thatthis would be a great song to do
.
I think so.
I don't like it at all.
Your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No, no, I think it was like a pandering attempt to
get you know a love song thatwomen would like and you know
whatever, you know kind of acrossover thing, and it just
fell flat on its face.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh, definitely.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
It was the wimpiest thing they ever did.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Now, I love Needles and Pins.
We've talked about that.
I love that song.
I think they do a great jobwith Needles and Pins.
This I just feel like theydialed it in, or Phil dialed it
in.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, Needles and Pins was on the previous album.
By the way, Correct Road toRuin Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
When we talked about Road to Ruin and you know and
it's funny, because Road to Ruin, phil wanted to produce that
album and the Ramones said no,I'm glad because I love that
album.
So many songs on there aregreat songs he would have ruined
it.
Yeah, oh, it would have.
It really would have been Roadto Ruin for sure.
(29:53):
Do you remember Rock and RollRadio, released as a single in
May 1980, starts off with thechanging of the radio stations,
with the turning dial, the knoband then a DJ saying this is
Rock and Roll Radio.
Come on, let's rock and rollwith the Ramones, and I'm a
sucker for that.
I'm a sucker.
That just pulls me right intothe song.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
And then the drums kick in and it's very Phil
Spector, big reverb drums, butit sounds great.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yes, and it is without a doubt.
You almost expect one of theRonettes to start singing when
the song starts Throwback to the60s, remembering musicians and
shows that they grew up with,and I connected with the lines
it's the end, the end of the 70s, it's the end the end of the
(30:42):
century.
So to me when the 70s ended itwas kind of like a big deal
because I was kind of at thatage understanding oh my God, the
70s are over, Now this is 1980.
All these new things, all thesethings that are going to happen
, and the excitement.
And when the Ramones sang thatand this song was on the radio a
(31:04):
lot by me, you know, I heard ita lot so you would be like, man
, this is exciting.
Like the Ramones got me excitedfor the 80s because the 70s
were over.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
So and you know who else theymention in that string of names?
They mention John Lennon.
Yes, they mention Murray the K.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
They do the DJ Murray , the K Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So T-Rex.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, I mean, what was that show Hullabaloo?
Yes, they mentioned that right.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
So, Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Any other thoughts?
Upbeat Shindig and Ed Sullivantoo.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Man, you're going to sing the whole song.
You do have more thoughts onthis.
This is good.
You know, we talked someepisodes ago and we talked about
how the first I don't rememberhow many albums were really good
albums.
Did you say the first fouralbums or the first five albums?
Where does this fall for you,this album with the decline of
(32:04):
the Ramones?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah.
So the first three aredefinitely solid gold and then
the fourth, road to ruin.
That's that's grouped into.
So that's the first four, butthe first three are a little
more special.
And then, yeah, end of thecentury, uh, then pleasant
dreams, then subterranean jungle.
(32:24):
Those were all a big step belowthose first four.
Yeah, but they had some greatsongs on them.
You know, like we talked about,do you remember rock and roll.
Radio is a really good song.
There's some good songs on likeyou know, like we talked about,
do you remember Rock and RollRadio is a really good song.
There's some good songs on likeSide B of End of the Century,
like let's Go is a cool rocksong.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I think what I've heard through the years,
that it was a hugedisappointment for the Ramones
because they thought that havingPhil Spector on board this
really was going to give themsome commercial success.
This was really going to givethem some opportunities that
they thought that they deserved.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I think they always thought that success was
right around the corner and Ithink once this album didn't
work, they were like, okay, thisis our reality, we're a touring
rock band, that that's what wedo.
So they they kind of, I thinkthey quit trying to get big
producers and have hit songs andjust said we'll put a, we'll
(33:22):
put a record out every year orso and we'll tour the U?
S every year and we'll prettymuch, uh, that's our life.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah, and the funny thing is is you know they really
were, which is probably biggerthan being a success.
Like influencing people, Ithink is super cool and how many
bands they influenced.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think they knew.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I mean they were already influencing those bands
because they all died, I guess,in the late 90s, early 2000s,
yeah late 90s, early 2000s, butto see how many kids still wear
Ramone shirts, like when youwalk around and go somewhere,
and to see that it's just cool.
I know they don't know anysongs, but it is cool.
(34:11):
Hey, jimmy, according to mywatch, it's Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy, Minute with Jimmy, Minute with
Jimmy.
All right, so in February 1980,45 years ago, Squeeze released
Argy Bargy, a really great album, really important post-punk
album.
I think it was like people werewondering what music is going
to do after punk.
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And here's this band thatwrites really really great pop
songs.
But they're different.
They're not like the pop songsyou hear on commercial radio in
the US and it had three what Iconsider big squeeze hits on it
Another Nail in my Heart If IDidn't Love you, and Pulling
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Muscles from the Shell.
Pulling Muscles from the Shell.
Difford wrote the, the lyrics.
I didn't realize he's he's aprimary lyricist, while uh glenn
tilbrook writes the music anduh differed wrote that about a
british summer camp, like afamily camp that he used to go
to uh with like working classfamilies and you got to go to a
beach in Britain and it was justall these little vignette
(35:22):
stories about different peoplefrom that camp.
Great record.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It is a great record, jimmy.
I would put that in my top 10most influential albums on me
personally, and I still listento it religiously.
I don't think there's a weekthat goes by that I don't listen
to some of the tracks on thatalbum.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
What are your favorite songs on it?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
The three you mentioned, obviously, because
Pulling Muscles like that wasjust so different from
everything that was happening atthat point in 1980.
It's one of those things, thisalbum and the song it's again.
It's one of those things where13-year-old Jim is having
(36:11):
something that's his.
It's not my parents, it's notmy uncles, it's not my aunts,
this is my music and I reallydug things like that.
I think I'm Go-Go on.
The album is really cool.
And they talk about one pointPIX and rock and roll, and that
was a radio station in New York,wpix, and long before WLIR they
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played.
It was called From Elvis toElvis, everything from Elvis
Presley to Elvis Costello, andthey would play Squeeze and they
would play Squeeze and theywould play Boomtown Rats and
they would play Elvis.
You know all these differentthings and you got to hear all
this stuff and that they mentionit in the song and when you
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look it up you can always theyalways say, oh yeah, this was
the WPIX, this radio stationthat would play it, and I get a
kick out of that.
I love stuff like that.
I think Separate Beds anothergreat song.
I think everything on the albumis fantastic.
Really really good album thatyou can listen to from beginning
to end.
The deluxe version has someB-sides but it's got a concert
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from March of 80 over in England.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Oh, I need to listen to that.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
That's fantastic because you know it hits all of
the songs that are on Argy Bargy, but then it also goes back and
picks up some of the differenthits from previous albums.
I love it.
It's so influential.
I've seen Squeeze so many timesand just really good memories
and it was mine.
(37:50):
It was not just me, but me andmy friends, it was our music and
that's what I liked about it.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, somehow they figured out a way to write songs
that are really accessible.
But it's like the people thatwere a little older than us,
they weren't necessarily intosqueeze, like it was more our,
our generation.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, and you know, I saw them most recently.
We talked about when I saw themat, uh, the Stone Pony outdoor
stage in New Jersey and what wasthat?
That was in 2023.
And I still go see them.
I mean, I love them and theyare.
They sound great still, theycan still sing.
It's, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
They sound amazing.
Now, and and Glenn Tilbrook isprobably one of the greatest
guitar players out there.
You know he really he doesn'tshow up in a lot of lists of
greatest guitar players becauseyou just tend to think more
towards, like, hard rock, buthe's an awesome guitar player
they had a new bass player and Icannot think of his name John
(38:52):
Bentley maybe I'm not sure ifthat's it, but he said you know
it's kind of missing something.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Why don't we add the?
It's not the xylophone, it'sthe marimba.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Marimba yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
So if you listen to the song, it starts off with the
guitar but it has the marimbawhere it goes and that is such a
great sound.
The bass player coming up withthat.
That was fantastic.
Definitely great job there.
That was a fantastic minutewith Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
All right, getting props from the host.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Always, jimmy, always .
My name is Jimmy, Jimmy.
I know we're getting towardsthe end of the show, but I
wanted to mention the StoneRoses out of Manchester, england
, on February 3, 1990.
I Want to Be Adored.
Peaked at number 18 on theBillboard Alternative Airplay
chart.
The song starts off with soundsthat I'm not sure what they are
(39:58):
, to be honest with you.
Then the bass starts, then theguitars come in a bit, after
then the drums and it's like aminute and a half.
Finally, the song is like asong where the whole band is
playing.
It's a surprisingly quiet song.
All the way through it, theself-titled album it's got like
(40:19):
this psychedelic feel to it andit was produced by John Leckie
and he would work his way upfrom tape operator to engineer,
to mixer, to producer in hiscareer Starting in 1970, he
worked on albums by GeorgeHarrison, john Lennon, derek and
(40:42):
the Dominoes, argent, sidBarrett, mccartney, pink Floyd,
public Image Limited.
He did the Public Image song,which is a great song XTC Simple
Minds the Fall, let's Active.
Every Dog has Its Day in 87.
(41:02):
He was the producer on that.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
I just ordered that actually did you really as a
gift for a friend.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, John Leckie, radiohead, the Bends, cooler
Shaker, the K Album 96.
I love Cooler Shaker.
There's probably no one elseout there that does, but I love
them and if I could get theopportunity to mention them I
took it.
A ton of others.
I mean, this guy has done somuch, it's just so cool that he
(41:30):
could be part of it.
So I really liked the songShoot you Down off the album and
it's another quiet song Like.
The album is so quiet and thealbum is made list as one of the
best albums of the 80s sinceit's been released.
When it was released it was ona lot of album excuse me, a lot
of charts for best albums of alltime and that's kind of weaned
(41:54):
a little bit, but it's more ofone of the best albums of the
80s.
I'm not sure that I would saythat I like some of the songs.
I think they're good, but Idefinitely can think of a lot of
other albums to me that arebetter.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
It might be the best album of that Manchester era in
the late 80s, you know Right.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, it could be, yeah, it could be, and maybe
that's why.
And Manchester, I mean we couldtalk seven shows straight just
on Manchester, all the differentbands that have come out of
there, all the different musicyou know factory records and the
Hacienda that New Order wasassociated with, we could go on
forever.
And Happy Mondays and Oasis,and you know everything that-
(42:40):
yeah, and go back to theBuzzcocks in 1977.
And I had a feeling that youwere going to bring that up.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a longrange of history that
Manchester has done, and it'sfunny because a lot of times
when they talk you have to havesubtitles.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Right yeah, that northern accent.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes.
So five years later, onFebruary 18th 1995, their song
Love Spreads peaks at number twoon the alternative airplay
charts.
They turned the volume up onthis one, jimmy.
All right, the guitar.
You know John Squire, I mean,he's just coming right out of
the box with the guitar playing,yeah, and it's a heck of a
guitar song when you listen toit.
(43:19):
It's a heck of a guitar songwhen you listen to it.
I saw them play live May 14th1995 in Atlanta at the Midtown
Music Festival.
It was their first US show andthere was so much hype and
anticipation, not just on localradio but Rolling Stone magazine
(43:40):
.
I subscribed to it and theywere talking about how it was
coming up and just different youknow media things everybody was
talking about and I was like Iwas there, you know, or I was
going.
Actually at the time they onlyplayed in about 10 US cities and
then the band broke up in late1996.
They got together again acouple of times for some
reunions.
It just didn't work out forthem, but it was cool seeing
(44:04):
them at Midtown Music Festivalin 1995.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, I was there, were you.
Yeah, I lived right across thestreet.
I lived on 8th, so just thatwas back when it was right at
10th.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yes, I actually liked where it was.
That's my favorite of all theplaces.
It that right there, that area?
Speaker 1 (44:22):
was my favorite.
It became the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
Correct and we'll talk more about that in May when
we talk about the 30thanniversary of the Midtown Music
Festival 1995.
But for now that's it forEpisode 64 of Music in my Shoes.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located righthere in Atlanta, georgia, and
(44:45):
Vic Thrill for our podcast music.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing.
I'm ready to go.
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