April 13, 2025 • 30 mins
Join us on a journey through musical touchstones and cultural milestones, weaving together fascinating stories that connect the dots between film, music, and innovation.
• The 1985 film "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" featured Sarah Jessica Parker and Helen Hunt
• "We Are the World" by USA for Africa reached #1 on April 13, 1985, featuring an unprecedented lineup of 21 solo vocalists including Michael Jackson, Bruce Springsteen, and Bob Dylan
• A&M Studios in Hollywood began as Charlie Chaplin Studios in 1917 before housing Hanna-Barbera cartoons, "Perry Mason" filming, and countless classic album recordings
• Ronnie Wood joined the Rolling Stones in April 1975
• Bush's album "Sixteen Stone" dominated alternative radio from 1994-1996 through their strategy of releasing songs to radio before making them available as singles
• Blondie drummer Clem Burke, who recently passed away, brought a Keith Moon-inspired style that defined classics like "Heart of Glass"
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Boge, and you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 74.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
So, jimmy, april 12th 1985,this movie called Girls Just
(00:56):
Want to have Fun came out.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Have you ever seen it ?
No, I didn't even know therewas a movie.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I could tell immediately by your reaction.
I know the song.
It's funny that you bring it up.
It's based on the song, butCyndi Lauper did not want to be
in the movie.
They could not use her versionof the song oh weird.
And they had some other peoplethat sang it.
But it kind of was kind ofquirky the way the song was sang
(01:24):
.
I think it was sung by a coupleof different females.
I don't even know who they were, but it sounded kind of like
her.
So I think it's almost tough totell.
I think you almost think it'slike a remix or something.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But anyway, that's probably what they wanted.
They wanted people to think oh,that might be Cyndi Lauper.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I did, I did and it wasn't.
It wasn't, it wasn't at all.
So it's a super cheesy filmwhich I kind of think you
already figured that part out bynow.
I did In theaters but it seemedto be on cable all the time
(02:04):
back in the day, Like you wouldturn on cable and you know, odd
times this would be on.
It's got Sarah Jessica Parker,who was 19 during filming.
Okay, that's how long ago thisis?
Yeah, helen Hunt, she'sprobably 21, or 22.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Silverman.
Most people know him fromWeekend at Bernie's.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
He was 18.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And it's really funny because his voice is definitely
different when he's talking.
And 13-year-old ShannonDaugherty is in this and it's
crazy.
And you know she's from BeverlyHills, 90210 and charmed.
Sadly she passed away fromcancer in July of 2024.
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And in the beginning of themovie, helen Hunt takes Sarah
Jessica Parker to babysit withher after school.
They get off of the bus and Iremember they wanted to watch
this TV show called Dance TV.
The host was Richard Blade, theguy that's on you know, sirius
(03:17):
XM and was on KROQ for a hundredyears.
You know one of the most knownnew wave DJs that probably Jimmy
doesn't seem to know at all.
I've never heard of him.
That is awesome.
I like your honesty, jimmy, buthe's playing a character.
(03:37):
I can't even remember what thecharacter's name is, but he's
the host of this TV show.
But what cracks me up is thatHelen Hunt is like they've got a
25 inch TV and that that'sexcitement.
You know that today, likesomeone would be like 25 inch TV
, like you want me to watch TVon a 25 inch TV.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Right, it was a CRT tube, yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was crazy.
You know, it was just funny andI think that for me I got into
the film a lot more.
Now I'm calling it a film.
I got into the movie a lot morewhen my kids were young because
we got a VHS tape of it.
You know it was on salesomewhere and they loved it and
(04:23):
it would just be on over andover and over and I'm sure when
your kids were younger theygravitated to certain movies or
shows and you would just watchthem over and over and so forth.
But you know, I don't know, Ikind of liked it as cheesy as it
is, forty years ago it came out.
(04:43):
As cheesy as it is, 40 yearsago it came out, so the day
after the movie comes out, thatdidn't do well in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, did not do.
Oh my goodness.
The day after USA for Africa,we Are the World peaks at number
one on Billboard, the Hot 100,april 13th 1985.
So you have girls just want tohave fun.
That didn't do well.
The next day, usa for Africa,we Are the World, that did have
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Cyndi Lauper singing in it doesexcellent, and it's the American
musician's answer to Band-Aids.
Do they Know it's Christmas?
That was recorded in November,came out in November, was a hit
in the UK not so much a hit overhere and then quickly they put
something together and it was onthe radio nonstop.
(05:45):
There were times where itseemed everybody was playing the
song at the same time.
Written by Michael Jackson,lionel Richie both of them wrote
the song, co-produced by QuincyJones and similar to Do they
Know it's Christmas, quincyJones and similar to Do they
Know it's Christmas.
It's a charity song designed toprovide food and aid to
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Ethiopia, which was in anongoing famine at that time.
It had been going on forprobably two, three years or so.
On January 28th 1985, after theAmerican Music Awards, all the
musicians met at A&M Studios inHollywood because it was close
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to where the American MusicAwards were.
American Music Awards used tobe a big award show.
I don't think it's reallyanything now, but it was a big
show back then you know, 40years ago.
So kind of like we did with Dothey Know it's Christmas?
I'm going to read off thesoloists that were on this song.
(06:52):
Wrote them all down because Ican never remember all this.
So it's pretty impressive,starting with Lionel Richie,
followed by Stevie Wonder, paulSimon, kenny Rogers, james
Ingram, tina Turner, billy Joel,michael Jackson, diana Ross no
(07:15):
surprise there that Diana Rossand Michael Jackson are right
there together Dionne Warwickthe name that I always struggle
with, but I think I did a prettygood job that time Willie
Nelson, al Jarreau ExcellentWillie Nelson, al Jarreau, bruce
(07:44):
Springsteen, kenny Loggins,steve Perry, daryl Hall, huey
Lewis, cindy Lauper, kim Carnes,bob Dylan and Ray Charles and
until I wrote the list down, Ididn't realize there were that
many people Like I've heard thesong a million times because it
was on the radio all the timewhere I was working At the time
they piped in the music.
Everybody listened to it and youknow it was one of those
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work-friendly stations, you know, and it was on nonstop.
And there's a lot of songs thatI know the words to that I
don't like that.
I learned it from and Ishouldn't say I don't like it.
That might be going a littlebit too far.
It's not a song that at thetime that I would listen to.
You know it was not that kindof a pop guy.
But quickly learned all thewords and found myself that I
(08:34):
would be somewhere.
And you know, I just startsaying the words and people are
like how do you know all of them?
But it was just on all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I was at the grocery store the other day and this
Huey Lewis song called StuckWith you was playing.
You know, and obviously theymust have a loop of songs that
they play at the grocery store,because there's like a 19 year
old clerk guy, like you know,stocking some shelves and he
knows every word to this HueyLewis song.
(09:03):
I'm like, okay, that's the sameprinciple it is.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It definitely is because there's no way he's
going to know that, due to thefact that you don't hear that
song on the radio anywhere todayand I do like the song, I do
like Huey Lewis, but in 2025,you're not really going to hear
that a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
At the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, just not.
So the chorus included HarryBelafonte, who was actually the
guy that started the whole thing.
He had seen what had happenedwith Band-Aid and putting
everything together and was like, hey, we need to put some, you
know, of our own musicianstogether and do something.
And it had Lindsey Buckinghamof Fleetwood Mac, sheila E Bob
(09:48):
Geldof of the Boomtown Rats whostarted Band-Aid.
He actually was part of thechorus.
The Jackson brothers andsisters Michael Jackson invited
his entire family to be part ofthe chorus Waylon Jennings,
bette Midler, the PointerSisters and Smokey Robinson.
(10:10):
And I'm kind of surprised, likeSmokey Robinson didn't get to
sing a part of it or BetteMidler, because they were you
know, they were still big people, you know, back then in the day
they were popular and, you know, cyndi Lauper got an
opportunity.
I'm surprised that Bette Midlerdidn't, or I'm surprised that
Smokey Robinson didn't yeah solike the band-aid.
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Do they know it's Christmas song?
Some took issue with the song'swords.
Coming from rich people thatwere never gonna experience what
the people in Ethiopia wereliving, and you know, like I
said about, do they know I'mgonna just shorten it to do they
know?
From now on, do they know?
(10:53):
I think good came out of it.
And you know, without thatmoney raised by you know, all
those people, all those richpeople, musicians, a lot more
people would have died and Ithink that in the end you know
that's what it's about theysaved some lives.
(11:15):
They really did.
I know they talk about it inthe song, but they truly did.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean I'm definitely on the side of do
they know it's Christmas?
The lyrics are not very good,but I take a little issue with
them criticizing rich singersfor talking about people
starving because, like, who elseis going to make a song about
it?
You have to be a star to haveit heard.
(11:40):
So obviously you're not in afamine yourself, but you're
trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I agree with you on that and they did the right
thing.
They actually with this songand I think that you know you
talk about do they know?
And the words with it.
I think on this song, like theyjust kept thinking and thinking
and thinking about it to tryand get the words perfect if you
can have perfect words but theyput a lot of thought into it
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because of you know some of thelines from do they know.
Lot of thought into it becauseof you know some of the lines
from Do they Know.
So, yes, rock and rollers forthe most part, did not like the
song, but people like me, we gotto know the song.
I still know all the words.
I can sing it off the top of myhead.
I can.
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So there's a documentary titledthe Greatest Night in Pop and it
goes into a lot more depthabout the song than what we can
hear.
I definitely recommend watchingit if you can.
It talks about how the ideacame about and it shows that
night getting everyone togetherand what went through the whole
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process and it's really cool.
Uh, check it out if you can,jimmy.
I mentioned the song wasrecorded at a&m studio in
hollywood, california.
It has a pretty cool history ofits own.
In 1917 okay, over 100 yearsago, yep, okay Silent movie star
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Charlie Chaplin startedconstruction of the Charlie
Chaplin Studios and he sold thestudio in 1953.
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He had filmed.
Some ofves was filmed there.
In 1957, hanna-barbera startedrenting offices and their
cartoons, the Huckleberry HoundShow and Quick Draw McGraw Show
Do you remember Quick DrawMcGraw?
Yeah, they were animated there.
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And then Hanna-Barbera moved in1960 to a new location.
Also in 1960, comedian RedSkelton bought the studio.
He was filming his Red Skeltonshow there and he sells it in
1962 to CBS and they film PerryMason starring Raymond Burr
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there until 1966.
And then in late 1966, herbAlbert and Jerry Moss of A&M
Records buy the studio and theyconvert the swimming pool that
was used by Charlie Chaplin andtwo sound stages to recording
studios.
(14:37):
So many albums recorded or mixedor mastered there that I'm not
even going to go into it.
But the Carpenters like all oftheir stuff was done there, a
bunch of mastering for albums bySqueeze, I mean.
There's just a ton of albums, alot of history.
A&m sold it in 1999 to the JimHenson Company and that was run
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by his children.
They had a statue of Kermit theFrog, dressed like Charlie
Chaplin's famous character, theTramp erected over the main gate
.
And in late 2024, dead Companyguitarist, vocalist John Mayer
yeah, I'm laughing because Ican't believe this whole story
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is going this way.
And film producer McG he didone of the Charlie's Angels like
Full Throttle or something.
He did some other things.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
They purchased Did he do?
Girls Just Want to have Fun themovie.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, nobody knows who did that.
They purchased the studio and Ijust think that's some pretty
cool history.
This land, this lot, this wholething that starts with Charlie
Chaplin starts building it in1917.
And you run through all ofthese different shows that you
know and all these things thattook place there.
I love stuff like that.
(16:01):
That's that makes me stay up atnight and be like wow, you know
.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah.
I can see it makes you stay upat night too, up all night wow,
you look at it I've beensleeping in the car, so I just
I'm still trying to wake up oh,you know you're a funny one.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
There's a charlie chaplin short film from 1918,
title how Movies, and it showsin time lapse the building of
the Chaplin Studios and thedifferent functions of things
that could be done there.
You know, I don't really knowhow you make film, but it's so
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cool.
It's like 13 minutes and youwatch it.
It's really short, but you wishit was much longer, because it
starts with this piece of landthat is like orange groves and
the next thing you see them intime lapse, the buildings being
built, and it's just really cool.
(17:04):
It really is is it includesfootage of the swimming pool
that eventually was torn downand became part of A&M's
recording studios.
Okay, how about them oranges?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Now, when you tear down a swimming pool, how does
that like?
You fill it in with dirt, ordid they?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I believe so, okay yeah, they demolished it,
demolished it.
They demolished it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I'm trying to picture in my head if, like, oh, you
can kind of go down into thestudio and this used to be
underwater or something.
I'm just overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Mr Chaplin, tear down that pool.
In December 1974, guitaristMick Taylor left the Rolling
Stones.
Mick had replaced Brian Jonesin mid-1969.
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Fifty years ago, on April 14,1975, ronnie Wood replaces
Taylor as Keith Richards'partner on guitar.
Ronnie's first appearance on aRolling Stone song was from a
jam that became the 1974 song.
It's Only Rock and Roll.
He appeared on a few songs fromthe 76 album, black and Blue,
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but his first full-length studioalbum was 1978, some Girls, and
monetarily he did not become aRolling Stone until 1993.
I believe it was.
He was like a salaried employeeand it wasn't until Bill Wyman
left that then he had like ashare of the Rolling Stones,
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which is, I mean, it's amazingthat he would join to be kind of
like a salaried employee andthen do it for so long you know.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean it's a pretty good gig, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, but he didn't get paid.
Like if they're not doinganything, he wasn't getting paid
.
You know, he just made nothing.
But he said that at the time hestarted to get back into his
artwork and start doing art andselling that and that was
lucrative for him.
So, some good game of it goodgame of it.
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So you can't mention Ronnie Woodwithout mentioning his work
with Jeff Beck, rod Stewart, theFaces and all the classic songs
that Rod Stewart had back inthe day.
You have Ronnie Wood on guitarand I think people forget that
because they know him fromjoining the Rolling Stones and
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that's what they think of.
He has so much good work beforethat.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Did he play on the Rod Stewart solo stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
He did he was actually a session musician on
Rod Stewart's solo, but he wasin the faces when they did work
as the faces.
Crazy, really crazy.
I'll tell you what's crazy.
Did you know that Post-it noteswere made available in stores
in the US in April 1980, 45years ago?
(20:13):
That was when it was widespread.
They had tested Post-it notesin some markets beforehand, but
for the you know regularconsumer like us 45 years ago
this month, you could getpost-it notes.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, I kind of remember that surround when they
started showing up, and did youever hear the story of how the
guy invented them?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Why don't you tell us ?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, he was trying to invent a glue that would
stick to things and then heended up with this adhesive that
came off really easily.
And then he figured out oh waita minute, maybe this is useful
to be able to stick somethingand take it off and stick it
somewhere else.
It's not, like you know, anyother kind of glue that was
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really around prior to that, andthat's what they made the
Post-it notes.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And 45 years ago you could buy them in the store, and
you can still buy them in thestore today.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'm holding a pack in my hand right now.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Post-it brand and that's the regular color.
Is that pale yellow?
Yeah, that's the normal.
You can get it in somethinglike 20-something different
colors, but that is the normal.
Speaking of normal or abnormal,whichever you choose, let's
revisit some music from the past.
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All right, all right, katrinaand the Waves Walking on
Sunshine, released April 15th1985, and peaked on Billboard
Hot 100 June 22nd 1985.
A super poppy overload of cheeris probably the best way that I
could describe this song.
You know they kept playing iton all types of radio.
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You know it just seemed likeeverybody kind of liked it
because it was poppy, but thedrums had this beat to it.
And then you know the guitarand and you know it was just
something that throughout thesummer, the spring of 1985, it
was all over the place.
Jimmy, I don't know about youbut I'm walking on sunshine whoa
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, and don't know about you butI'm walking on sunshine Whoa,
and don't it feel good, wow, wow.
Speaking of feeling good, let'sgo to 1994.
November 1st 1994, bushreleases 16 Stone.
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And when they released the album, first song was everything zen.
But they didn't release it as asingle where you could go buy
it.
They released it to radio andthey oversaturated the radio
market with it and then theyreleased it.
I want to say it was april of,I want to say it was April of
(23:03):
1995, where you could actuallybuy it as a single, but by then
it had peaked at number two onthe Billboard Alternative
Airplay chart on March 4th of 95.
And it's just definitely adifferent strategy.
Yeah, why'd they do that?
Not only did they do it withthat, the next single, little
(23:26):
Things, they did the same thing.
They released it in just theradios and here it was 99X.
You know in Atlanta that Iheard it on both of the songs
and it wasn't until May of 95that they released that as a
physical single and that peakedat number four on the Billboard
Alternative Airplay chart.
Come Down the third song wasthe third single reached number
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30 on Billboard's Hot 100 inNovember of 1995.
Glycerine I always used to sayglycerin back in the day, even
though he was saying glycerine.
Yeah, I know, I don't know whyI did, but I did but peaked at
number 28 on Billboard Hot 100in February 1996, and the last
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single from 16 Stone, machineHead, which is probably my
favorite song on the album,peaked at number 43 on Billboard
Hot 100 in May of 1996.
Not bad for an album that wasrecorded in January 94, released
in November 1994, and then justkind of dominated the radio
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into summer 1996.
I mean it just had a reallylong lifespan, yeah, real long
lifespan.
And speaking of lifespans, mywatch lifespan isn't that long
but it is telling me it's Minutewith Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
(24:53):
Minute with Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Minute with Jimmy.
So you remember my story aboutGreen Day, about hearing them
for the first time on 99X, and Iwas driving up by Jimmy Carter
Boulevard and I had to pull overto a phone booth and find out
about it, who it was.
That was 1994.
Well, in 1995, april 95, I'm atthe Mellow Mushroom, right next
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to where the studio used to beby Midtown High School on Monroe
Drive, and my brother and I arehaving lunch there and we hear
this song and it's Al's album 88radio, the college radio here
in Atlanta, that was playing it.
I'm like who is this?
My brother and I were like thisis a great song.
So I did the same thing.
I went into Mellow Mushroom hey, can I borrow your phone and I
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called up album 88.
It was a band called Guided byVoices and it was their new
album.
Alien Lanes came out April 95,30 years ago.
The song was called Motor Awayand it's a fantastic song.
But the album also has Game ofPricks.
That's one of their most famoussongs.
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My Valuable Hunting Knifethey're Not Witches and Blimps
Go 90.
It has about 20 plus songsbecause their songs are really
short.
But it was great and my brotherand I went to see Guided by
Voices a few months later whenthey came to town, and we've
been fans ever since.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That is pretty cool.
I like hearing things aboutbands that I don't know a whole
lot about, especially when yougo running and call up places to
find out Was it difficult tocall up?
Like, did they answer rightaway?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, you know the college radio station is pretty
easy to to get through to them.
You know commercial radio a lotof times there's you get a busy
signal At least you did when Iwas a kid.
You know you'd have to call in.
Oh, we need the you know fourthcaller to call us up and it's
always busy.
You think they just had thephone off the hook, Probably
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yeah, I used to win stuff on theradio though as a kid, really I
would call in all those thingsand our local video music
channel called VMC, before wehad MTV here, and win stuff all
the time.
I won tickets to Risky Business, the movie.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, it's a good movie.
It was tickets to RiskyBusiness, the movie I've seen
that.
Yeah, it's a good movie.
It was kind of embarrassingthough, because I think my
friend and I were 13 and his momtook us, and it's kind of
risque for a mom and some 13year old boys to see together.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Remember Jimmy Barron , formerly of 99X Radio, was in
that movie for a quick scene,right In the window behind Tom
Cruise.
I think Tom Cruise was tryingto get into a college or
something.
Yep, do you still listen to?
Guided by Voices.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, I still do and they're still really good live.
They'll tour every year or twoand come, come to like the
variety playhouse in atlanta andthey, they bring, they bring it
and where are they from?
They're from the midwest.
I think they're maybe from ohioor something uh he, he sings
almost like he's british, buthe's, he's not I can speak like
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I'm british, even though I'm not.
Oh, I'm sure you can, let'shear it.
Come on, knight, I want to hearyour English accent.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh yeah, I was going to say you bloody bloke.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
All right, all right, we'll accept that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh, not very good, but hey, it is what it is.
So a band we've spoken aboutseveral times on the podcast,
clem Burke of Blondie, lost hisbattle with cancer on April 6,
2025.
His drumming on One Way orAnother, dreaming Atomic and the
long version of Heart of Glasshelped make the songs the
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classics.
They are Inspired by both KeithMoon and Ringo Starr.
He was the backbeat of Blondieand I got to be honest, jimmy, a
bunch of those songs I reallylike because I like that Keith
Moon style of drumming thatdefinitely drew me into the
songs and he definitely did somereal good stuff with some good
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songs that, again, I think theywouldn't be what they are
without him.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Now weren't you saying in an earlier episode
that Heart of no, it was Call Me, was not him on drums right?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That is correct, it's all session players.
Yes, but.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Heart of Glass was.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Mm-hmm Heart of Glass was, and the long version.
If you listen to it, the longversion is just rocking.
It is so good.
At the end it's almost like adrum solo, but it's not a drum
solo and that's what makes itcool, because it is a drum solo
that doesn't sound like one.
It's really, really cool andit's just fun On a song that you
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know is a disco-ishy type thing, but doing a rock Keith Moon
ending to it.
What more could you want?
Yeah, I'm not sure what moreyou could want.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm not at all sure.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, I know I want more, but unfortunately that's
the end of Episode 74 of Musicin my Shoes.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located herein Atlanta, georgia, and Vic
Thrill, for our podcast music.
You can contact us atmusicinmyshoes at gmailcom.
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This is Jim Boge and I hope youlearned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing, thank you.
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Boge, and you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 74.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
So, jimmy, april 12th 1985,this movie called Girls Just
(00:56):
Want to have Fun came out.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Have you ever seen it ?
No, I didn't even know therewas a movie.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I could tell immediately by your reaction.
I know the song.
It's funny that you bring it up.
It's based on the song, butCyndi Lauper did not want to be
in the movie.
They could not use her versionof the song oh weird.
And they had some other peoplethat sang it.
But it kind of was kind ofquirky the way the song was sang
(01:24):
.
I think it was sung by a coupleof different females.
I don't even know who they were, but it sounded kind of like
her.
So I think it's almost tough totell.
I think you almost think it'slike a remix or something.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
But anyway, that's probably what they wanted.
They wanted people to think oh,that might be Cyndi Lauper.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I did, I did and it wasn't.
It wasn't, it wasn't at all.
So it's a super cheesy filmwhich I kind of think you
already figured that part out bynow.
I did In theaters but it seemedto be on cable all the time
(02:04):
back in the day, Like you wouldturn on cable and you know, odd
times this would be on.
It's got Sarah Jessica Parker,who was 19 during filming.
Okay, that's how long ago thisis?
Yeah, helen Hunt, she'sprobably 21, or 22.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Silverman.
Most people know him fromWeekend at Bernie's.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
He was 18.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And it's really funny because his voice is definitely
different when he's talking.
And 13-year-old ShannonDaugherty is in this and it's
crazy.
And you know she's from BeverlyHills, 90210 and charmed.
Sadly she passed away fromcancer in July of 2024.
(02:55):
And in the beginning of themovie, helen Hunt takes Sarah
Jessica Parker to babysit withher after school.
They get off of the bus and Iremember they wanted to watch
this TV show called Dance TV.
The host was Richard Blade, theguy that's on you know, sirius
(03:17):
XM and was on KROQ for a hundredyears.
You know one of the most knownnew wave DJs that probably Jimmy
doesn't seem to know at all.
I've never heard of him.
That is awesome.
I like your honesty, jimmy, buthe's playing a character.
(03:37):
I can't even remember what thecharacter's name is, but he's
the host of this TV show.
But what cracks me up is thatHelen Hunt is like they've got a
25 inch TV and that that'sexcitement.
You know that today, likesomeone would be like 25 inch TV
, like you want me to watch TVon a 25 inch TV.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Right, it was a CRT tube, yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It was crazy.
You know, it was just funny andI think that for me I got into
the film a lot more.
Now I'm calling it a film.
I got into the movie a lot morewhen my kids were young because
we got a VHS tape of it.
You know it was on salesomewhere and they loved it and
(04:23):
it would just be on over andover and over and I'm sure when
your kids were younger theygravitated to certain movies or
shows and you would just watchthem over and over and so forth.
But you know, I don't know, Ikind of liked it as cheesy as it
is, forty years ago it came out.
(04:43):
As cheesy as it is, 40 yearsago it came out, so the day
after the movie comes out, thatdidn't do well in the theaters.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, did not do.
Oh my goodness.
The day after USA for Africa,we Are the World peaks at number
one on Billboard, the Hot 100,april 13th 1985.
So you have girls just want tohave fun.
That didn't do well.
The next day, usa for Africa,we Are the World, that did have
(05:19):
Cyndi Lauper singing in it doesexcellent, and it's the American
musician's answer to Band-Aids.
Do they Know it's Christmas?
That was recorded in November,came out in November, was a hit
in the UK not so much a hit overhere and then quickly they put
something together and it was onthe radio nonstop.
(05:45):
There were times where itseemed everybody was playing the
song at the same time.
Written by Michael Jackson,lionel Richie both of them wrote
the song, co-produced by QuincyJones and similar to Do they
Know it's Christmas, quincyJones and similar to Do they
Know it's Christmas.
It's a charity song designed toprovide food and aid to
(06:11):
Ethiopia, which was in anongoing famine at that time.
It had been going on forprobably two, three years or so.
On January 28th 1985, after theAmerican Music Awards, all the
musicians met at A&M Studios inHollywood because it was close
(06:31):
to where the American MusicAwards were.
American Music Awards used tobe a big award show.
I don't think it's reallyanything now, but it was a big
show back then you know, 40years ago.
So kind of like we did with Dothey Know it's Christmas?
I'm going to read off thesoloists that were on this song.
(06:52):
Wrote them all down because Ican never remember all this.
So it's pretty impressive,starting with Lionel Richie,
followed by Stevie Wonder, paulSimon, kenny Rogers, james
Ingram, tina Turner, billy Joel,michael Jackson, diana Ross no
(07:15):
surprise there that Diana Rossand Michael Jackson are right
there together Dionne Warwickthe name that I always struggle
with, but I think I did a prettygood job that time Willie
Nelson, al Jarreau ExcellentWillie Nelson, al Jarreau, bruce
(07:44):
Springsteen, kenny Loggins,steve Perry, daryl Hall, huey
Lewis, cindy Lauper, kim Carnes,bob Dylan and Ray Charles and
until I wrote the list down, Ididn't realize there were that
many people Like I've heard thesong a million times because it
was on the radio all the timewhere I was working At the time
they piped in the music.
Everybody listened to it and youknow it was one of those
(08:09):
work-friendly stations, you know, and it was on nonstop.
And there's a lot of songs thatI know the words to that I
don't like that.
I learned it from and Ishouldn't say I don't like it.
That might be going a littlebit too far.
It's not a song that at thetime that I would listen to.
You know it was not that kindof a pop guy.
But quickly learned all thewords and found myself that I
(08:34):
would be somewhere.
And you know, I just startsaying the words and people are
like how do you know all of them?
But it was just on all the time.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I was at the grocery store the other day and this
Huey Lewis song called StuckWith you was playing.
You know, and obviously theymust have a loop of songs that
they play at the grocery store,because there's like a 19 year
old clerk guy, like you know,stocking some shelves and he
knows every word to this HueyLewis song.
(09:03):
I'm like, okay, that's the sameprinciple it is.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It definitely is because there's no way he's
going to know that, due to thefact that you don't hear that
song on the radio anywhere todayand I do like the song, I do
like Huey Lewis, but in 2025,you're not really going to hear
that a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
At the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, just not.
So the chorus included HarryBelafonte, who was actually the
guy that started the whole thing.
He had seen what had happenedwith Band-Aid and putting
everything together and was like, hey, we need to put some, you
know, of our own musicianstogether and do something.
And it had Lindsey Buckinghamof Fleetwood Mac, sheila E Bob
(09:48):
Geldof of the Boomtown Rats whostarted Band-Aid.
He actually was part of thechorus.
The Jackson brothers andsisters Michael Jackson invited
his entire family to be part ofthe chorus Waylon Jennings,
bette Midler, the PointerSisters and Smokey Robinson.
(10:10):
And I'm kind of surprised, likeSmokey Robinson didn't get to
sing a part of it or BetteMidler, because they were you
know, they were still big people, you know, back then in the day
they were popular and, you know, cyndi Lauper got an
opportunity.
I'm surprised that Bette Midlerdidn't, or I'm surprised that
Smokey Robinson didn't yeah solike the band-aid.
(10:33):
Do they know it's Christmas song?
Some took issue with the song'swords.
Coming from rich people thatwere never gonna experience what
the people in Ethiopia wereliving, and you know, like I
said about, do they know I'mgonna just shorten it to do they
know?
From now on, do they know?
(10:53):
I think good came out of it.
And you know, without thatmoney raised by you know, all
those people, all those richpeople, musicians, a lot more
people would have died and Ithink that in the end you know
that's what it's about theysaved some lives.
(11:15):
They really did.
I know they talk about it inthe song, but they truly did.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean I'm definitely on the side of do
they know it's Christmas?
The lyrics are not very good,but I take a little issue with
them criticizing rich singersfor talking about people
starving because, like, who elseis going to make a song about
it?
You have to be a star to haveit heard.
(11:40):
So obviously you're not in afamine yourself, but you're
trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I agree with you on that and they did the right
thing.
They actually with this songand I think that you know you
talk about do they know?
And the words with it.
I think on this song, like theyjust kept thinking and thinking
and thinking about it to tryand get the words perfect if you
can have perfect words but theyput a lot of thought into it
(12:07):
because of you know some of thelines from do they know.
Lot of thought into it becauseof you know some of the lines
from Do they Know.
So, yes, rock and rollers forthe most part, did not like the
song, but people like me, we gotto know the song.
I still know all the words.
I can sing it off the top of myhead.
I can.
(12:27):
So there's a documentary titledthe Greatest Night in Pop and it
goes into a lot more depthabout the song than what we can
hear.
I definitely recommend watchingit if you can.
It talks about how the ideacame about and it shows that
night getting everyone togetherand what went through the whole
(12:49):
process and it's really cool.
Uh, check it out if you can,jimmy.
I mentioned the song wasrecorded at a&m studio in
hollywood, california.
It has a pretty cool history ofits own.
In 1917 okay, over 100 yearsago, yep, okay Silent movie star
(13:12):
Charlie Chaplin startedconstruction of the Charlie
Chaplin Studios and he sold thestudio in 1953.
(13:33):
He had filmed.
Some ofves was filmed there.
In 1957, hanna-barbera startedrenting offices and their
cartoons, the Huckleberry HoundShow and Quick Draw McGraw Show
Do you remember Quick DrawMcGraw?
Yeah, they were animated there.
(13:53):
And then Hanna-Barbera moved in1960 to a new location.
Also in 1960, comedian RedSkelton bought the studio.
He was filming his Red Skeltonshow there and he sells it in
1962 to CBS and they film PerryMason starring Raymond Burr
(14:16):
there until 1966.
And then in late 1966, herbAlbert and Jerry Moss of A&M
Records buy the studio and theyconvert the swimming pool that
was used by Charlie Chaplin andtwo sound stages to recording
studios.
(14:37):
So many albums recorded or mixedor mastered there that I'm not
even going to go into it.
But the Carpenters like all oftheir stuff was done there, a
bunch of mastering for albums bySqueeze, I mean.
There's just a ton of albums, alot of history.
A&m sold it in 1999 to the JimHenson Company and that was run
(15:04):
by his children.
They had a statue of Kermit theFrog, dressed like Charlie
Chaplin's famous character, theTramp erected over the main gate
.
And in late 2024, dead Companyguitarist, vocalist John Mayer
yeah, I'm laughing because Ican't believe this whole story
(15:25):
is going this way.
And film producer McG he didone of the Charlie's Angels like
Full Throttle or something.
He did some other things.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
They purchased Did he do?
Girls Just Want to have Fun themovie.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
No, nobody knows who did that.
They purchased the studio and Ijust think that's some pretty
cool history.
This land, this lot, this wholething that starts with Charlie
Chaplin starts building it in1917.
And you run through all ofthese different shows that you
know and all these things thattook place there.
I love stuff like that.
(16:01):
That's that makes me stay up atnight and be like wow, you know
.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah.
I can see it makes you stay upat night too, up all night wow,
you look at it I've beensleeping in the car, so I just
I'm still trying to wake up oh,you know you're a funny one.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
There's a charlie chaplin short film from 1918,
title how Movies, and it showsin time lapse the building of
the Chaplin Studios and thedifferent functions of things
that could be done there.
You know, I don't really knowhow you make film, but it's so
(16:42):
cool.
It's like 13 minutes and youwatch it.
It's really short, but you wishit was much longer, because it
starts with this piece of landthat is like orange groves and
the next thing you see them intime lapse, the buildings being
built, and it's just really cool.
(17:04):
It really is is it includesfootage of the swimming pool
that eventually was torn downand became part of A&M's
recording studios.
Okay, how about them oranges?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Now, when you tear down a swimming pool, how does
that like?
You fill it in with dirt, ordid they?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I believe so, okay yeah, they demolished it,
demolished it.
They demolished it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I'm trying to picture in my head if, like, oh, you
can kind of go down into thestudio and this used to be
underwater or something.
I'm just overthinking it.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Mr Chaplin, tear down that pool.
In December 1974, guitaristMick Taylor left the Rolling
Stones.
Mick had replaced Brian Jonesin mid-1969.
(18:01):
Fifty years ago, on April 14,1975, ronnie Wood replaces
Taylor as Keith Richards'partner on guitar.
Ronnie's first appearance on aRolling Stone song was from a
jam that became the 1974 song.
It's Only Rock and Roll.
He appeared on a few songs fromthe 76 album, black and Blue,
(18:24):
but his first full-length studioalbum was 1978, some Girls, and
monetarily he did not become aRolling Stone until 1993.
I believe it was.
He was like a salaried employeeand it wasn't until Bill Wyman
left that then he had like ashare of the Rolling Stones,
(18:48):
which is, I mean, it's amazingthat he would join to be kind of
like a salaried employee andthen do it for so long you know.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I mean it's a pretty good gig, I guess.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, but he didn't get paid.
Like if they're not doinganything, he wasn't getting paid
.
You know, he just made nothing.
But he said that at the time hestarted to get back into his
artwork and start doing art andselling that and that was
lucrative for him.
So, some good game of it goodgame of it.
(19:21):
So you can't mention Ronnie Woodwithout mentioning his work
with Jeff Beck, rod Stewart, theFaces and all the classic songs
that Rod Stewart had back inthe day.
You have Ronnie Wood on guitarand I think people forget that
because they know him fromjoining the Rolling Stones and
(19:44):
that's what they think of.
He has so much good work beforethat.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Did he play on the Rod Stewart solo stuff?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
He did he was actually a session musician on
Rod Stewart's solo, but he wasin the faces when they did work
as the faces.
Crazy, really crazy.
I'll tell you what's crazy.
Did you know that Post-it noteswere made available in stores
in the US in April 1980, 45years ago?
(20:13):
That was when it was widespread.
They had tested Post-it notesin some markets beforehand, but
for the you know regularconsumer like us 45 years ago
this month, you could getpost-it notes.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, I kind of remember that surround when they
started showing up, and did youever hear the story of how the
guy invented them?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Why don't you tell us ?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, he was trying to invent a glue that would
stick to things and then heended up with this adhesive that
came off really easily.
And then he figured out oh waita minute, maybe this is useful
to be able to stick somethingand take it off and stick it
somewhere else.
It's not, like you know, anyother kind of glue that was
(21:00):
really around prior to that, andthat's what they made the
Post-it notes.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And 45 years ago you could buy them in the store, and
you can still buy them in thestore today.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'm holding a pack in my hand right now.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Post-it brand and that's the regular color.
Is that pale yellow?
Yeah, that's the normal.
You can get it in somethinglike 20-something different
colors, but that is the normal.
Speaking of normal or abnormal,whichever you choose, let's
revisit some music from the past.
(21:35):
All right, all right, katrinaand the Waves Walking on
Sunshine, released April 15th1985, and peaked on Billboard
Hot 100 June 22nd 1985.
A super poppy overload of cheeris probably the best way that I
could describe this song.
You know they kept playing iton all types of radio.
(22:00):
You know it just seemed likeeverybody kind of liked it
because it was poppy, but thedrums had this beat to it.
And then you know the guitarand and you know it was just
something that throughout thesummer, the spring of 1985, it
was all over the place.
Jimmy, I don't know about youbut I'm walking on sunshine whoa
(22:20):
, and don't know about you butI'm walking on sunshine Whoa,
and don't it feel good, wow, wow.
Speaking of feeling good, let'sgo to 1994.
November 1st 1994, bushreleases 16 Stone.
(22:42):
And when they released the album, first song was everything zen.
But they didn't release it as asingle where you could go buy
it.
They released it to radio andthey oversaturated the radio
market with it and then theyreleased it.
I want to say it was april of,I want to say it was April of
(23:03):
1995, where you could actuallybuy it as a single, but by then
it had peaked at number two onthe Billboard Alternative
Airplay chart on March 4th of 95.
And it's just definitely adifferent strategy.
Yeah, why'd they do that?
Not only did they do it withthat, the next single, little
(23:26):
Things, they did the same thing.
They released it in just theradios and here it was 99X.
You know in Atlanta that Iheard it on both of the songs
and it wasn't until May of 95that they released that as a
physical single and that peakedat number four on the Billboard
Alternative Airplay chart.
Come Down the third song wasthe third single reached number
(23:50):
30 on Billboard's Hot 100 inNovember of 1995.
Glycerine I always used to sayglycerin back in the day, even
though he was saying glycerine.
Yeah, I know, I don't know whyI did, but I did but peaked at
number 28 on Billboard Hot 100in February 1996, and the last
(24:11):
single from 16 Stone, machineHead, which is probably my
favorite song on the album,peaked at number 43 on Billboard
Hot 100 in May of 1996.
Not bad for an album that wasrecorded in January 94, released
in November 1994, and then justkind of dominated the radio
(24:33):
into summer 1996.
I mean it just had a reallylong lifespan, yeah, real long
lifespan.
And speaking of lifespans, mywatch lifespan isn't that long
but it is telling me it's Minutewith Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
(24:53):
Minute with Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Minute with Jimmy.
So you remember my story aboutGreen Day, about hearing them
for the first time on 99X, and Iwas driving up by Jimmy Carter
Boulevard and I had to pull overto a phone booth and find out
about it, who it was.
That was 1994.
Well, in 1995, april 95, I'm atthe Mellow Mushroom, right next
(25:15):
to where the studio used to beby Midtown High School on Monroe
Drive, and my brother and I arehaving lunch there and we hear
this song and it's Al's album 88radio, the college radio here
in Atlanta, that was playing it.
I'm like who is this?
My brother and I were like thisis a great song.
So I did the same thing.
I went into Mellow Mushroom hey, can I borrow your phone and I
(25:36):
called up album 88.
It was a band called Guided byVoices and it was their new
album.
Alien Lanes came out April 95,30 years ago.
The song was called Motor Awayand it's a fantastic song.
But the album also has Game ofPricks.
That's one of their most famoussongs.
(25:56):
My Valuable Hunting Knifethey're Not Witches and Blimps
Go 90.
It has about 20 plus songsbecause their songs are really
short.
But it was great and my brotherand I went to see Guided by
Voices a few months later whenthey came to town, and we've
been fans ever since.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That is pretty cool.
I like hearing things aboutbands that I don't know a whole
lot about, especially when yougo running and call up places to
find out Was it difficult tocall up?
Like, did they answer rightaway?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, you know the college radio station is pretty
easy to to get through to them.
You know commercial radio a lotof times there's you get a busy
signal At least you did when Iwas a kid.
You know you'd have to call in.
Oh, we need the you know fourthcaller to call us up and it's
always busy.
You think they just had thephone off the hook, Probably
(26:45):
yeah, I used to win stuff on theradio though as a kid, really I
would call in all those thingsand our local video music
channel called VMC, before wehad MTV here, and win stuff all
the time.
I won tickets to Risky Business, the movie.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
I've seen that.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, it's a good movie.
It was tickets to RiskyBusiness, the movie I've seen
that.
Yeah, it's a good movie.
It was kind of embarrassingthough, because I think my
friend and I were 13 and his momtook us, and it's kind of
risque for a mom and some 13year old boys to see together.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Remember Jimmy Barron , formerly of 99X Radio, was in
that movie for a quick scene,right In the window behind Tom
Cruise.
I think Tom Cruise was tryingto get into a college or
something.
Yep, do you still listen to?
Guided by Voices.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, I still do and they're still really good live.
They'll tour every year or twoand come, come to like the
variety playhouse in atlanta andthey, they bring, they bring it
and where are they from?
They're from the midwest.
I think they're maybe from ohioor something uh he, he sings
almost like he's british, buthe's, he's not I can speak like
(27:59):
I'm british, even though I'm not.
Oh, I'm sure you can, let'shear it.
Come on, knight, I want to hearyour English accent.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Oh yeah, I was going to say you bloody bloke.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
All right, all right, we'll accept that.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh, not very good, but hey, it is what it is.
So a band we've spoken aboutseveral times on the podcast,
clem Burke of Blondie, lost hisbattle with cancer on April 6,
2025.
His drumming on One Way orAnother, dreaming Atomic and the
long version of Heart of Glasshelped make the songs the
(28:34):
classics.
They are Inspired by both KeithMoon and Ringo Starr.
He was the backbeat of Blondieand I got to be honest, jimmy, a
bunch of those songs I reallylike because I like that Keith
Moon style of drumming thatdefinitely drew me into the
songs and he definitely did somereal good stuff with some good
(28:57):
songs that, again, I think theywouldn't be what they are
without him.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Now weren't you saying in an earlier episode
that Heart of no, it was Call Me, was not him on drums right?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
That is correct, it's all session players.
Yes, but.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Heart of Glass was.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Mm-hmm Heart of Glass was, and the long version.
If you listen to it, the longversion is just rocking.
It is so good.
At the end it's almost like adrum solo, but it's not a drum
solo and that's what makes itcool, because it is a drum solo
that doesn't sound like one.
It's really, really cool andit's just fun On a song that you
(29:35):
know is a disco-ishy type thing, but doing a rock Keith Moon
ending to it.
What more could you want?
Yeah, I'm not sure what moreyou could want.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I'm not at all sure.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Well, I know I want more, but unfortunately that's
the end of Episode 74 of Musicin my Shoes.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located herein Atlanta, georgia, and Vic
Thrill, for our podcast music.
You can contact us atmusicinmyshoes at gmailcom.
(30:09):
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Please share the podcast withyour friends on social media and
, for those of you that alreadyhave, it is appreciated.
This is Jim Boge and I hope youlearned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing, thank you.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!