May 11, 2025 • 36 mins
Music transports us through time as we explore musical milestones and memories that feel both distant and immediate, creating a fascinating perception of different decades.
• Reminiscing about Atlanta's Music Midtown Festival from 1995 and the unique urban setting that transformed into a cultural gathering space
• Why we struggle with 90s nostalgia being "30 years ago" while easily accepting the 80s as 40 years past
• Eddie Van Halen sitting in with Paul Schaefer on Late Night with David Letterman 40 years ago
• Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" reaching #39 on Billboard Hot 100 in 1965, becoming his first Top 40 hit
• Minute with Jimmy segment exploring New Order's "Love Vigilantes"
• The Black Crowes' "Jealous Again"
• Great driving songs from The Cure, Talking Heads, Fleetwood Mac, and Don Henley
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Bogeand you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Big Thrill kicking offepisode 78.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
So, Jimmy, 30 years ago I wentto Music Midtown Festival here
(00:53):
in Atlanta.
Right, and I have to thinkabout it because I always would
say the Midtown Music Festival.
Right, a lot of people do asmuch as I tried not to, I would
do that all the time and Ithought it was pretty cool.
It was the second year thatthey had it.
I didn't go the first year, Iwent to the second year.
It was May 12th through the14th 1995.
(01:15):
And one I can't believe it's 30years ago.
Like I struggle a little.
I have no problem with the 80sbeing 40 years ago.
I have no problem with the 80sbeing 40 years ago.
I have no problem with the 70sbeing 50 years ago, but I
struggle with the 90s when wetalk and we say 30 years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, that's just wrong.
We need to check the math onthat.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, I'll wait.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, we'll get to it later.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
All right, I gotcha, so it's the second year.
It was a fun time and, morethan that, it was inexpensive,
which makes it a lot more fun inanything that you do.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So have you been to Music Midtown?
Oh, yeah, see, when MusicMidtown started in 94, I had
just moved in Cher, and I hadmoved in on 8th Street like
right by the park in Cher and Ihad moved in on 8th Street like
right by the park.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, because it was between 10th and 11th and
Peachtree and West Peachtree.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right yeah, where the Federal Reserve Building is now
.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Correct my favorite spot.
Not to cut you off, that was myfavorite spot.
I don't know if it's been atthree or four different
locations now, but I absolutelylove that spot.
I just felt it was the coolestthing because you didn't feel
like you were in a city in thatspot.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, it was a really big piece of land.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, the city was around you, but it was like that
was not the city.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, and it was kind of hilly so you could go up.
I remember when JonathanRichman played, which may have
been 95.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It was 95.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
He played sort of like you had to go up a hill and
then there's this little stageover on the other side of the
hill, so there wasn't quite asmuch feeling like you're just
right next to the other stage.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, what was kind of cool was it was a big piece
of land, I guess it wasundeveloped, but yet parts were.
It looked like there had beenfoundations for I don't know if
it was homes or buildings, andthose buildings weren't there
anymore, but there still was theconcrete and then other spots.
The concrete was broken up andyou would kind of walk the
(03:21):
streets, like these old streets,to get to the different places.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, you know, well, you know, it's interesting too.
My parents my mom in the 1950s,lived on 11th Street in
Peachtree and the house that shelived in which was back when,
like women, would live in aboarding house for women rather
than just you wouldn't just getan apartment with some other 20
something girls they didn't dothat back then and so she lived
(03:48):
in this boarding house with awoman that ran it like the mom
of the house and everything.
And that's when my parents met.
They met on the trolley carrunning down Peachtree when she
got on the trolley at 11thstreet, but anyway, that was one
of those houses that had beendone away with by that point, so
we might have actually walkedacross that too, where she'd
(04:10):
lived.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Wow.
So was it kind of like aboarding house from it's a
Wonderful Life that if MrsBailey, if George hadn't been
born, then Mrs Bailey would haverun this boarding house.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, and she'd be mean too.
And she'd be mean Mrs Peoples,by the way, was the name of the
lady that ran it and they wouldcontinue to have a party with
all the people that had lived inMrs Peoples' house.
They called it the People'sParty.
They did that up through the1980s.
They stayed together andeverybody would get together
once a year and have thepeople's party really yeah, wow,
(04:47):
that's absolutely really coolbecause you said she was there
in the 50s yeah, early 50s, wowright, she graduated college in
like uh 1950 and moved straightto atlanta.
Yeah, wow, that's really coolokay, back Back to Museum Week.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, I cut you off.
You and your wife share.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You said that you would move to 8th Street 8th
Street and so boom right out of,you know, as soon as we get
there.
We'd lived in New York beforethat and there's this cool
festival right down the street,so it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Were you there in 95?
.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
There in 94, 5, and 6 , yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Nice.
Like I said, I did not go to 94.
95 was my first time.
Some of the bands I saw whichmay be some different than you,
I saw God Street Wine, magna PopI was really into Magna Pop
back in like 95.
Oh yeah, okay.
Cake we've talked about Cake.
Back in like 95.
(05:48):
Oh yeah, okay, uh, cake We'vetalked about cake.
Cake was um recommendation fromJimmy Barron from 99 X.
I had run into him and he hadsaid hey, you need to see cake,
they're really good band.
And I had only heard one songreally and I didn't really like
it and he was.
You know, we talked about itwhen we had him on the show last
year and he convinced me to gosee it.
He said I just go see it and Iabsolutely loved it.
(06:10):
I thought the show was greatand you know I've seen him
multiple times and that was thebeginning of our you know,
running into each other for 30years, as I call it Right, our
Lady Peace.
Todd Snyder.
I wasn't a big Todd Snyder fanbut he played in the middle of
bands I wanted to see and Iwanted to keep my place.
Oh yeah, adamant, collectiveSoul.
(06:33):
We talked about Collective Soula couple of episodes ago.
That's the show that the peoplewere behind me saying they were
related to the Rollins, sayingthey were the cousins and they
really weren't oh that they werethe cousins, and they really
weren't.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh, that was at this, the 95 Music Midtown.
It was at 95 Music Midtown.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yes, stone Roses, which was their first American
show.
Yeah, bodine's and I wasn't ahuge Bodine's fan, but they
played right before MatthewSweet.
So I wanted to get that sweetspot, no pun intended.
Wanted to get that sweet spot,no pun intended, to be as close
as I could possibly be.
But some of the bands that Ididn't see which I wish that I
(07:14):
did, but I didn't Village People, I'm going to be honest.
The Village People played TitoPuente, government Mule, little
Richard oh my gosh.
Jonathan Richman, as you said,yeah, what were some of the
bands?
Do you remember that you saw?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
maybe you know, of all those that you named, I
really remember seeing JonathanRichman as the one that really
sticks out, I mean, and thereweren't that many people that
went, because, again, you had tokind of go over a hill to this
little stage that not that manypeople were at and so I kind of
felt bad for Jonathan Richman,that, oh well, this is big
(07:52):
festival and you don't have ahuge crowd, but he was great,
he's always great.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And, as we've talked about before, jonathan Richman
is where the Violets did theRecord Store Day song.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, we did the tribute compilation album that
just came out and I think did weput a link out to that.
We can probably put a link inthe show notes.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do that.
Yeah, we'll do that.
I think some people would beinterested in that.
I think that's kind of cool.
You know, jonathan Richman, Ialways think immediately, I'm
always like roadrunner,roadrunner, you know, like
that's the first thing thatcomes to mind.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, that's the song the Violets did the first time
we did the tribute.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Right, right, I do remember you saying that.
So I mentioned it wasinexpensive.
A three-day ticket was $25.
That's how inexpensive this was.
I think a single day might'vebeen $17.
I don't remember, but I know itwas $25 for a three-day ticket.
(08:55):
So I have the AtlantaJournal-Constitution, the
newspaper here in Atlanta, theadvertisement the first day of
Music Midtown.
They had like a full pagespread and who was playing you
know what days and kind of alittle map of the area and I
(09:16):
framed it and I have it hangingup in my basement because it was
the first Music Midtown of manythat I ended up going to and
it's just really cool.
I knew I was going to talkabout this.
You know I go down in thebasement, I pull it off the wall
, I bring it upstairs, I'm justlooking at it again.
I can't believe.
30 years has gone by.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how old your girls are,
but for me, you know mydaughter's 26 and it was before
she was born.
You know it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, my oldest was a toddler, Okay, so you know, the
other two were not born just along time ago, Right?
So something that's not a longtime ago.
And maybe you saw this, Jimmy.
This past week, during atraffic stop, a woman in Ohio
(10:10):
got arrested.
She was pulled over I think shemight've been driving
erratically or whatever and shewas arrested for an outstanding
warrant and you know, theyhandcuff her and they, you know,
put her to wherever they goback to the car to look in the
car and her pet raccoon, namedChewy Chewy Chewy that's the
(10:36):
name of the raccoon Perfect Issitting in the front seat and
I'm not making this up with ameth pipe in its mouth, front
seat, and I'm not making this upwith a meth pipe in its mouth.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
All right, this is in Florida, right In Ohio.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Ohio this is in Ohio, sorry.
And when the officer takes thepipe he's got gloves on and he
goes to get the pipe away.
Chewy is able to grab a secondpipe and put it up to its mouth.
It wants to play with the crack.
Excuse me, the meth pipe.
(11:08):
Oh wow, it was the video.
You know they have body camfootage.
It is unbelievable.
I kept watching that thing overand over and over, like you
cannot believe it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And so do we think that the raccoon was actually
getting intoxicated.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
No, no, they cleared the raccoon.
The raccoon was not arrested.
They made sure, and I readmultiple articles on this and
all of them said that theraccoon was not arrested.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And I started to say to myself you know, I think
somebody put that originally asa joke.
But then other people justcopied it all and were like hey,
we want to make sure everybodyknows the raccoon was not
arrested for having the methpipe or the second meth pipe.
Hey, you know, it's so funny,the officer is cracking up
(11:59):
saying he's trying to smoke itand you know, finally I got to
get serious or whatever, but itis unbelievable.
I just can't believe it.
All right.
So think about this Not manypeople at all would know this
lady was arrested if it wasn'tfor her pet raccoon having a
(12:24):
meth pipe.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, so that's no such thing as bad publicity, I
think is what they say.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
This might be bad publicity.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Jimmy, it might yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh my Lord, you know, hey, listen, those meddling
raccoons.
So Chewy's okay.
In case anyone's wondering, hewas not hurt during the traffic
stop and again, he was notarrested.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm so relieved.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
A raccoon with a meth pipe.
May 16th, 1985.
Eddie Van Halen sits in withPaul Schaefer and the world's
most dangerous band on LateNight with David Letterman in
Los Angeles and playing music.
(13:13):
You know in and out ofcommercials and you know how TV
shows if they're based in NewYork they'll go over to LA.
They're in LA and then theycome to New York for a week and
try and get the ratings up andinvite people that are kind of
(13:34):
local to the area and generatesome excitement.
So it's 40 years ago that EddieVan Halen does this Again.
40 years ago, 85.
I'm fine with that.
30 years, 95, it just whoa,doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So we are—.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
How do you feel on 2005, 20 years?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I don't talk about it enough to even think about it.
Yeah, you know, honestly, Idon't 2020, five years ago.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, that seems like longer than five years ago,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There you go, there you go.
So some of the songs theyplayed Pretty Woman, jump.
They played Jump and they hadEddie on keyboards.
It was really cool.
I saw it when it happened 40years ago.
I've seen it multiple timessince you Really Got Me.
They did Sunshine of your Love,which is Cream.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
A great rendition of it.
And then the guest on thatepisode okay, it's David
Letterman out in Los Angeles1985.
The guests on the show wereJohnny Carson, lee Marvin.
He used to do like the you knowthe tough guy movies, didn't he
(14:45):
used to do those type of things, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
The name sounds familiar.
I can't picture Lee Marvin.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley.
I mean, this is how long ago itis.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So at one point David Letterman asked Eddie, does
David get on your nerves?
Referring to David Lee Roth,the singer of Van Halen at the
time.
And Eddie's reaction ispriceless.
If you don't want to watch anyother part of this video, just
watch him asking that question,because Eddie is just laughing
(15:22):
and you know he kind of bringshis guitar up to hide his face
so that you don't see himlaughing as hard as he is.
And as we know, that year, youknow, somewhere around that time
David Lee Roth left the band.
The following month, in June of1985, eddie Van Halen and
(15:43):
Valerie Bertinelli, who was hiswife at the time, were on Late
Night with David Letterman inNew York.
So a month later now they comeover to New York and Eddie and
the band do a full,non-commercial intro of Panama,
which was really cool.
It sounded great, it was a lotof fun and you know Eddie Van
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Halen, as Paul Schaefer wouldsay, was a real cool cat on the
guitar.
Absolutely.
You know what, jimmy?
Let's revisit more great music,because I'm just having a blast
talking about all this musicfrom the past Me too.
May 15th 1965, bob Dylan'ssubterranean homesick blues
(16:24):
peaks at number 39 on theBillboard Hot 100.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's his first top 40 hit and if you think about how—
Wow, and so you say that 60years ago.
Like we're fine with that.
Bob Dylan's first hit 60 yearsago, right yes?
Hey that's good, the 90s thingnot so good.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, I don't know why.
I don't know the answer to that, I don't know, but you're right
.
So that was actually his firsttop 40 hit.
If you think about all thestuff Bob Dylan had done.
It wasn't until 1965 that hefinally has something top 40,
when, if you know Bob Dylan, youknow so many songs that
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happened before this time.
So it's just a quick four-versesong, but it has one of the
coolest earliest videos that wasever done and it's Bob Dylan
holding cue cards and it's gotwords from the song and some of
them are misspelled on purposeand as the song's going, he's
(17:22):
just picking the cue cards anddropping them and the next one
comes up and the next one, andit's really simple, but it's
brilliant because it really madeyou watch and it really made
you want to watch a video of aperson that wasn't there sitting
and singing like you wereaccustomed to at the time.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, no, it was a really cool outside the box
video, especially for the time.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, without a doubt, you know, without a doubt In
excess.
They gave a nod when they didMediate, which was off the 87
album Kick.
I don't know if Mediate cameout, the song came out in 87 or
88, the video I don't rememberexactly when it was but they did
the same, you know, basic thingas what Bob Dylan had done, and
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you know it was just a coolthing.
I like nods like that.
You know, we've talked aboutthat several times.
I like when people give a nodto someone, they don't come
right out and say it, you justhave to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm just thinking about that.
Okay, well, that might comeback around.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The nod.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I like that.
I like come back around.
Oh the nod.
I like that, I like that.
So let's go to may 23rd 1980.
The english beat.
I just can't stop it.
Their debut album, really goodalbum.
Okay, it makes a ska, reggae,pop and new wave.
And you know, at that time whenI'm starting to learn, you know
(18:49):
New Wave and New Wave's mything, at that time this album
is just perfect because it givesyou all these different blends
and some of the songs Mirror inthe Bathroom, hands Off, she's
Mine, twist and Crawl Can't GetUsed to Losing you, which was an
Andy Williams song.
Andy Williams did it in 1963.
(19:12):
I believe it was a number twosong on the Billboard Hot 100 in
1963.
I don't remember what month.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But I love that song.
I just think the English beatdo better at it than Andy
Williams does.
I like Andy Williams forChristmas songs, but this
English beat version is so muchbetter.
My favorite song on the albumis Best Friend, and Dave Wakelin
kind of sings it from astandpoint of looking in the
(19:40):
mirror and, you know, kind offound out the name of my best
friend in Jew, meaning himselfLike he's the one that he can
count on, he's the one that isgoing to make it happen and you
know he's the one that he cantrust and so forth.
Right, but it's, it's a greatalbum.
It really is.
And if you want to listen tosomething new, I think a lot of
(20:03):
people would enjoy this album,even though they might not know
the English beat or know thisalbum.
I got to see them in 82.
They opened up this was thebill in 82.
The bill was REM, the Englishbeat and then Squeeze.
So that was a pretty cool show.
That's great.
Yeah, definitely a cool show.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now in England, weren't they just known as the
beat?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yes, in Australia they were known as the British
beat.
The English beat I think wasonly in America and Canada and I
think everywhere else was theBeat except Australia.
They called it the British Beat.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They had to be different right.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm not sure why, but they were Dave Wakeling
, ranking Roger.
Ranking Roger.
You know he died not that longago.
I mean two years, within twoyears or so.
So definitely a good band,speaking of something that's
super cool.
According to my watch, it'sMinute with Jimmy.
(21:03):
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy minute withJimmy.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's time for minute with Jimmy, minute with Jimmy,
minute with Jimmy.
Okay, going back to 1985.
In May 85, New Order releasedthe song Love Vigilantes, and
it's a really interesting songbecause Bernard Sumner, the
lyricist, said he wanted towrite a redneck song.
(21:30):
So what he meant by that wasthat he wanted something that
was a story, you know, ratherthan just this sort of new wave
concept of emotional lyrics.
He wanted something that told astory.
So it tells a story of a manthat's off at war and he wants
to see his family and comes backhome but only to find his wife
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on the floor with a telegramsaying that he's dead.
And so you get this idea, okay,well, so that was his ghost
that came back.
But no, Sumner says it could betaken both ways.
It could be taken that he'sdead or that he came back and
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she had gotten the wrongtelegram and took her own life
out of despondency.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I've never heard that .
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, wow, so there's more.
You want to hear more?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, let's hear some more.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So the idea for the song?
Reportedly, if you listen to asong by Jimmy Cliff from 1969
called Vietnam, it says there'sa man in Vietnam and he's
sending letters home and hewants to see his wife and he
wants to see his friends sendingletters home and he wants to
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see his wife and he wants to seehis friends.
And then, instead of him cominghome, a telegram comes to his
mom saying that he's dead.
And so you're wondering oh well, didn't new order really know
about that jimmy cliff song?
Well, new order covered thatJimmy Cliff song in 2003 on an
album of war songs.
So whether they knew about itwhen they wrote it or if they
(23:17):
just kind of got lumped in withit because of Love Vigilantes,
they ended up covering the JimmyCliff song with a very similar
story to their song.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Now, I love the song because it is so different for
New Order than what they hadbeen doing.
I love the guitar in it.
You know the song the way thatit starts with the drum, it's
kind of like, and then it goesinto everything.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I love the guitar on it too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's just fantastic, Very different, and I've always
wondered I guess not wondered.
I always thought it was thatshe got a letter, that and it
was wrong, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, you always thought it was wrong.
I was going to ask you whichone you thought?
I always thought it was hisghost and he said no, you could
take it either way.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Really yeah.
So that actually was thescreamer of the week on WLIR the
third week of June in 1985.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You're amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
No, I'm not, I'm not.
They did the song, they wroteit, they played it.
I'm just telling you what itwas.
Yeah, I really do like thatsong and it's one of those songs
that stands the test of time.
I still listen to it a lot.
You know, a 40-year-old song or50 or 60, 30s, that's a whole
(24:37):
other different thing, but it'sa really good song, just so
different.
You know, I like the end of thesong, the guitar, the way they
do it.
I like their stuff, I like howthey're a dance band, I like all
the stuff that they do.
But I really like how this songis just like a jam at the end
(24:58):
with the guitar, and it's justcool.
I just like it because it'sdifferent and it just sounds
cool.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, absolutely, and they gave that nod to Jimmy
Cliff.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
There you go.
I like that Woo.
Hey, listen, that was a goodminute with Jimmy, minute with
Jimmy.
So, jimmy, I want to finish offwith the Black Crowes' first
single off Shake your MoneyMaker, which came out in
February of 90.
First single was Jealous Againand it entered the Billboard Hot
(25:32):
100 in May of 1990.
And I was living in New York.
Still, I hadn't moved and itwas the first Black Crow song I
had heard and I loved theopening guitar, then the drums
and the piano, then the drumsand the piano Cheat.
The odds that made you brave totry to gamble at times.
(25:54):
Well, I feel like dirty laundrysending sickness on down the
line.
I had no idea what those wordswere when he's singing in Chris
Robinson and the Black Crows.
I couldn't understand it at all, but it just sounded super cool
, like I could pick out likelittle words here and there.
And when the song came out Iwas wondering about the piano
(26:19):
because, again, I never heard ofthe black crows before.
But the piano playing was justfantastic and in my head I'm
saying how do they have such agreat piano player just right
off the cuff, like how does thathappen?
Because that's not a normal,was it?
a studio guy.
It was Chuck Lavelle of theAllman Brothers band and the
(26:39):
Rolling Stones and it makessense.
What you know and I didn't know.
They took me a number of yearsbefore I found it out.
But if you to the song, it isChuck Lavelle to a T more,
probably more towards the AllmanBrothers way that he would play
the piano.
And you know, for those of youthat don't know, chuck Lavelle
(27:03):
was with the Allman Brothers.
They did that instrumental,jessica, and a fantastic song.
I think it was one of the firstsongs he did with the band.
And you've got Dickie Betts.
You know he's on guitar,chuck's on piano.
They're kind of going back andforth and oh my God, I just love
that song.
It's one of my favoriteinstrumentals.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh, it's classic.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, really really good, but that's another story
for another day.
We'll get to that.
So I had this 83 mustangconvertible back in 1990 and I
would just jam out when thatsong would come on.
I just loved it.
It just was like this perfectsong to be driving in this
convertible and driving down theroad again.
(27:48):
It's one of those songs as itends, you know, it goes, you
know, with this guitar jam andit's just cool you know what
color was the the mustang?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
it was blue with a white top all right, light blue,
dark blue, dark blue.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh, very cool well thank you, thank you I can
picture it now there you go it,there you go.
It was a great car.
It was a great car song.
It was a great convertibledriving car song.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, that's like a summertime driving song too,
right?
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, in New York in May it's now you're getting some
days where it's starting to bewarm, the weather's a little bit
different and it was fantastic.
You know the one thing aboutwhen you have it in the
summertime and the sun isshining bright on you, you're
just sweating.
Okay yeah, it is unbearableheat that I never could have
(28:43):
imagined.
It's a great drive at night ordriving early before the sun
rises.
You know that type of thing,but when the sun is beating down
on you, it's unbelievable.
I remember going to work.
I would wear clothes to workand then I would change because
I was soaking wet when I got towork and put new clothes on and
(29:04):
then have to put differentclothes on to drive home.
But man, seriously, that was agreat driving song.
So can you think of any drivingsongs?
Did you ever have a convertible?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I did.
Yeah, I had both a 67 and thena 68 Pontiac Bonneville
convertible.
We did talk about that Big oldboat and yeah, it gets really
hot in the sun and you also canget a sunburn pretty easily
driving around.
Yeah, you got to be carefulpretty easily driving around.
(29:40):
Yeah, you got to be careful.
Um, but you know, speaking ofnew order, age of consent, it's,
it starts out practically likeit's an instrumental, you know
it's got this kind of undulatingguitar, um riff in it that
almost feels like it's like aclean guitar, almost feels like
an acoustic, but um right, justthis real repetitive thing.
And and then the new order drum, not the, uh, not the
(30:01):
electronic drums, but sort oflike really moving it along kind
of drums.
You know they're pulsating andchurning and I think it's a
great driving song there you go.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I like that.
I'm I going to have to listento that now as I'm driving I you
know I was thinking, andthere's some like instantaneous
ones that I think most peoplewould say probably Born to be
Wild by Steppenwolf.
I mean like it's tough to driveand not to hit the gas a little
extra.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I was about to say that's a speeding ticket song.
Yeah, sweet Home Alabama.
I was going to say that's aspeeding ticket song.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, sweet Home Alabama.
That's another song that youknow I love driving One of my
favorites, la Woman by the Doors.
I think that is the perfectdriving song, like it's got all
these different parts.
It's long.
I like longer songs as I'mdriving than if I'm at home,
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type of thing.
Everybody Wants to Rule theWorld, you know.
That's one of those songs thata bunch of people if they're in
the car they'll sing along with.
And then probably the song thatpeople have sung along with
more than any other song thatI've been with is hey there,
delilah by the Plain White Tees.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It is a great song.
You don't know how many peopleknow that song until it comes on
and one person starts singingwith it.
The next thing you know likeeverybody's singing it.
It's just really cool.
I remember being up in Chicago.
We were on our way to a ChicagoCubs day baseball game.
It was a work-related thing andwe were going and I I'm driving
(31:36):
and the song comes on and I'mjust kind of singing in and
again there was like five of usand before you knew, it,
everybody's singing.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was really cool.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It sounds like Mr Brightside.
Mr Brightside is another greatsong, I think, for driving.
That's a good one.
I like that.
What's that song?
Possum Kingdom by the Toadiesoh my gosh, that is just.
That's another driving songLike, wow, this is fantastic,
you know.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'll throw out.
How about A Forest?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
By the Cure.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, oh.
I like that I know that'sdriving at night.
Oh, okay, yeah, you know you'reon like a long road Driving
through Texas or something youknow.
Barely any light out the moonand that song's just churning in
the background.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Why'd you pick Texas?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Well, it's like a you know.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
The flatlands.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Flatlands.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I gotcha.
I've driven through Texas atnight From Dallas to Houston and
it is pitch black for sure youdon't see anything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Right, that's what I remember from the one time that
I drove through Texas and it's alittle bit like the Georgia
equivalent is I-16 between likeStatesboro and the coast.
It was like there's not much.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right, you want to get gas and be ready and have a
snack.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Because there's not a lot.
It's flat and not a lot ofexits.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah.
So I just think it's awesometalking about it.
I like when you know you starttalking about one thing and then
it just kind of morphs intosomething else.
That's I love that on the show.
I love talking about somethingand then you bring something up
and it kind of just you know youbounce off and you know car
driving songs.
It starts because the blackcrow's jealous again.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
How do you feel about Once in a Lifetime as a driving
song?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I don't know about that.
For me that's another one.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I think that's a good driving song.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I mean, I just like it in general, so I'm fine
with that.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
How about?
Okay, I'm just going to throwout the rest of the ones here,
don't Stop.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Fleetwood Mac oh, you know, that's one to just kind
of hit the accelerator.
I'm digesting it.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And the last one I'll throw out to you.
It's another more mainstreamsong Boys of Summer.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
That's funny, so you like that song.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, I do like that song.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I can see that being a driving song and they talk
about the deadhead sticker onthe Cadillac.
Things changed.
You know Things changed.
Yeah, I guess I can see that Idid not like it when it came out
, uh, originally, and a buddy ofmine, paul, was really into it
and he didn't care, he just playit anyway, you know, and I got
(34:27):
to hear it more and more andmore and I think, because it
said the deadhead sticker on aCadillac, that made me start
listening to it a little bitmore so, cadillac, that made me
start listening to it a littlebit more so.
But yeah, that's cool.
You know there's some gooddriving songs.
It's kind of cool to reminisceabout the 83 Mustang convertible
.
I had two.
I had a 68 GTO convertiblebefore that.
(34:48):
That was in really bad shape.
I bought it for $300.
That kind of tells you whatkind of shape it was in, but it
was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And that's the kind of car though, now, no matter
what shape it was in, right, butit was a lot of fun.
That's the kind of car though,now, no matter what shape it's
in.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That car would be worth $10,000 or more, yeah, and
I sold it for $300.
Yeah, you know.
And then that 83 Mustangseriously, it was fun to drive
when it wasn't sunbeating on you, but I sweat like anything.
Maybe that's what I need to doso that I can stay in shape.
Let the sun beat it out of me.
Hey, whatever it takes, youknow why I'm jealous.
Jealous again, thought at time,I let you in Jealous, jealous
(35:28):
again.
Got no time, baby, and we gotno time.
Because that's it for Episode 78of Music in my Shoes.
You can contact us atmusicinmyshoes at gmailcom if
you want to tell us about a carsong or a convertible or
anything else that we talkedabout.
Please like and follow theMusic in my Shoes Facebook and
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thank you to everyone that hasup to this point.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located righthere in Atlanta, georgia, and
Vic Thrill for our podcast music.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
(36:10):
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing.
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Bogeand you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Big Thrill kicking offepisode 78.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
So, Jimmy, 30 years ago I wentto Music Midtown Festival here
(00:53):
in Atlanta.
Right, and I have to thinkabout it because I always would
say the Midtown Music Festival.
Right, a lot of people do asmuch as I tried not to, I would
do that all the time and Ithought it was pretty cool.
It was the second year thatthey had it.
I didn't go the first year, Iwent to the second year.
It was May 12th through the14th 1995.
(01:15):
And one I can't believe it's 30years ago.
Like I struggle a little.
I have no problem with the 80sbeing 40 years ago.
I have no problem with the 80sbeing 40 years ago.
I have no problem with the 70sbeing 50 years ago, but I
struggle with the 90s when wetalk and we say 30 years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, that's just wrong.
We need to check the math onthat.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Okay, I'll wait.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, we'll get to it later.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
All right, I gotcha, so it's the second year.
It was a fun time and, morethan that, it was inexpensive,
which makes it a lot more fun inanything that you do.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
So have you been to Music Midtown?
Oh, yeah, see, when MusicMidtown started in 94, I had
just moved in Cher, and I hadmoved in on 8th Street like
right by the park in Cher and Ihad moved in on 8th Street like
right by the park.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, because it was between 10th and 11th and
Peachtree and West Peachtree.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Right yeah, where the Federal Reserve Building is now
.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Correct my favorite spot.
Not to cut you off, that was myfavorite spot.
I don't know if it's been atthree or four different
locations now, but I absolutelylove that spot.
I just felt it was the coolestthing because you didn't feel
like you were in a city in thatspot.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, it was a really big piece of land.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, the city was around you, but it was like that
was not the city.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, and it was kind of hilly so you could go up.
I remember when JonathanRichman played, which may have
been 95.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
It was 95.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
He played sort of like you had to go up a hill and
then there's this little stageover on the other side of the
hill, so there wasn't quite asmuch feeling like you're just
right next to the other stage.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, what was kind of cool was it was a big piece
of land, I guess it wasundeveloped, but yet parts were.
It looked like there had beenfoundations for I don't know if
it was homes or buildings, andthose buildings weren't there
anymore, but there still was theconcrete and then other spots.
The concrete was broken up andyou would kind of walk the
(03:21):
streets, like these old streets,to get to the different places.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, you know, well, you know, it's interesting too.
My parents my mom in the 1950s,lived on 11th Street in
Peachtree and the house that shelived in which was back when,
like women, would live in aboarding house for women rather
than just you wouldn't just getan apartment with some other 20
something girls they didn't dothat back then and so she lived
(03:48):
in this boarding house with awoman that ran it like the mom
of the house and everything.
And that's when my parents met.
They met on the trolley carrunning down Peachtree when she
got on the trolley at 11thstreet, but anyway, that was one
of those houses that had beendone away with by that point, so
we might have actually walkedacross that too, where she'd
(04:10):
lived.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Wow.
So was it kind of like aboarding house from it's a
Wonderful Life that if MrsBailey, if George hadn't been
born, then Mrs Bailey would haverun this boarding house.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, and she'd be mean too.
And she'd be mean Mrs Peoples,by the way, was the name of the
lady that ran it and they wouldcontinue to have a party with
all the people that had lived inMrs Peoples' house.
They called it the People'sParty.
They did that up through the1980s.
They stayed together andeverybody would get together
once a year and have thepeople's party really yeah, wow,
(04:47):
that's absolutely really coolbecause you said she was there
in the 50s yeah, early 50s, wowright, she graduated college in
like uh 1950 and moved straightto atlanta.
Yeah, wow, that's really coolokay, back Back to Museum Week.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, I cut you off.
You and your wife share.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You said that you would move to 8th Street 8th
Street and so boom right out of,you know, as soon as we get
there.
We'd lived in New York beforethat and there's this cool
festival right down the street,so it was awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Were you there in 95?
.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
There in 94, 5, and 6 , yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Nice.
Like I said, I did not go to 94.
95 was my first time.
Some of the bands I saw whichmay be some different than you,
I saw God Street Wine, magna PopI was really into Magna Pop
back in like 95.
Oh yeah, okay.
Cake we've talked about Cake.
Back in like 95.
(05:48):
Oh yeah, okay, uh, cake We'vetalked about cake.
Cake was um recommendation fromJimmy Barron from 99 X.
I had run into him and he hadsaid hey, you need to see cake,
they're really good band.
And I had only heard one songreally and I didn't really like
it and he was.
You know, we talked about itwhen we had him on the show last
year and he convinced me to gosee it.
He said I just go see it and Iabsolutely loved it.
(06:10):
I thought the show was greatand you know I've seen him
multiple times and that was thebeginning of our you know,
running into each other for 30years, as I call it Right, our
Lady Peace.
Todd Snyder.
I wasn't a big Todd Snyder fanbut he played in the middle of
bands I wanted to see and Iwanted to keep my place.
Oh yeah, adamant, collectiveSoul.
(06:33):
We talked about Collective Soula couple of episodes ago.
That's the show that the peoplewere behind me saying they were
related to the Rollins, sayingthey were the cousins and they
really weren't oh that they werethe cousins, and they really
weren't.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh, that was at this, the 95 Music Midtown.
It was at 95 Music Midtown.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yes, stone Roses, which was their first American
show.
Yeah, bodine's and I wasn't ahuge Bodine's fan, but they
played right before MatthewSweet.
So I wanted to get that sweetspot, no pun intended.
Wanted to get that sweet spot,no pun intended, to be as close
as I could possibly be.
But some of the bands that Ididn't see which I wish that I
(07:14):
did, but I didn't Village People, I'm going to be honest.
The Village People played TitoPuente, government Mule, little
Richard oh my gosh.
Jonathan Richman, as you said,yeah, what were some of the
bands?
Do you remember that you saw?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
maybe you know, of all those that you named, I
really remember seeing JonathanRichman as the one that really
sticks out, I mean, and thereweren't that many people that
went, because, again, you had tokind of go over a hill to this
little stage that not that manypeople were at and so I kind of
felt bad for Jonathan Richman,that, oh well, this is big
(07:52):
festival and you don't have ahuge crowd, but he was great,
he's always great.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And, as we've talked about before, jonathan Richman
is where the Violets did theRecord Store Day song.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, we did the tribute compilation album that
just came out and I think did weput a link out to that.
We can probably put a link inthe show notes.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do that.
Yeah, we'll do that.
I think some people would beinterested in that.
I think that's kind of cool.
You know, jonathan Richman, Ialways think immediately, I'm
always like roadrunner,roadrunner, you know, like
that's the first thing thatcomes to mind.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, that's the song the Violets did the first time
we did the tribute.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Right, right, I do remember you saying that.
So I mentioned it wasinexpensive.
A three-day ticket was $25.
That's how inexpensive this was.
I think a single day might'vebeen $17.
I don't remember, but I know itwas $25 for a three-day ticket.
(08:55):
So I have the AtlantaJournal-Constitution, the
newspaper here in Atlanta, theadvertisement the first day of
Music Midtown.
They had like a full pagespread and who was playing you
know what days and kind of alittle map of the area and I
(09:16):
framed it and I have it hangingup in my basement because it was
the first Music Midtown of manythat I ended up going to and
it's just really cool.
I knew I was going to talkabout this.
You know I go down in thebasement, I pull it off the wall
, I bring it upstairs, I'm justlooking at it again.
I can't believe.
30 years has gone by.
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how old your girls are,
but for me, you know mydaughter's 26 and it was before
she was born.
You know it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, my oldest was a toddler, Okay, so you know, the
other two were not born just along time ago, Right?
So something that's not a longtime ago.
And maybe you saw this, Jimmy.
This past week, during atraffic stop, a woman in Ohio
(10:10):
got arrested.
She was pulled over I think shemight've been driving
erratically or whatever and shewas arrested for an outstanding
warrant and you know, theyhandcuff her and they, you know,
put her to wherever they goback to the car to look in the
car and her pet raccoon, namedChewy Chewy Chewy that's the
(10:36):
name of the raccoon Perfect Issitting in the front seat and
I'm not making this up with ameth pipe in its mouth, front
seat, and I'm not making this upwith a meth pipe in its mouth.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
All right, this is in Florida, right In Ohio.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Ohio this is in Ohio, sorry.
And when the officer takes thepipe he's got gloves on and he
goes to get the pipe away.
Chewy is able to grab a secondpipe and put it up to its mouth.
It wants to play with the crack.
Excuse me, the meth pipe.
(11:08):
Oh wow, it was the video.
You know they have body camfootage.
It is unbelievable.
I kept watching that thing overand over and over, like you
cannot believe it.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And so do we think that the raccoon was actually
getting intoxicated.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
No, no, they cleared the raccoon.
The raccoon was not arrested.
They made sure, and I readmultiple articles on this and
all of them said that theraccoon was not arrested.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
And I started to say to myself you know, I think
somebody put that originally asa joke.
But then other people justcopied it all and were like hey,
we want to make sure everybodyknows the raccoon was not
arrested for having the methpipe or the second meth pipe.
Hey, you know, it's so funny,the officer is cracking up
(11:59):
saying he's trying to smoke itand you know, finally I got to
get serious or whatever, but itis unbelievable.
I just can't believe it.
All right.
So think about this Not manypeople at all would know this
lady was arrested if it wasn'tfor her pet raccoon having a
(12:24):
meth pipe.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, so that's no such thing as bad publicity, I
think is what they say.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
This might be bad publicity.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Jimmy, it might yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Oh my Lord, you know, hey, listen, those meddling
raccoons.
So Chewy's okay.
In case anyone's wondering, hewas not hurt during the traffic
stop and again, he was notarrested.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I'm so relieved.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
A raccoon with a meth pipe.
May 16th, 1985.
Eddie Van Halen sits in withPaul Schaefer and the world's
most dangerous band on LateNight with David Letterman in
Los Angeles and playing music.
(13:13):
You know in and out ofcommercials and you know how TV
shows if they're based in NewYork they'll go over to LA.
They're in LA and then theycome to New York for a week and
try and get the ratings up andinvite people that are kind of
(13:34):
local to the area and generatesome excitement.
So it's 40 years ago that EddieVan Halen does this Again.
40 years ago, 85.
I'm fine with that.
30 years, 95, it just whoa,doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So we are—.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
How do you feel on 2005, 20 years?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
I don't talk about it enough to even think about it.
Yeah, you know, honestly, Idon't 2020, five years ago.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, that seems like longer than five years ago,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There you go, there you go.
So some of the songs theyplayed Pretty Woman, jump.
They played Jump and they hadEddie on keyboards.
It was really cool.
I saw it when it happened 40years ago.
I've seen it multiple timessince you Really Got Me.
They did Sunshine of your Love,which is Cream.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
A great rendition of it.
And then the guest on thatepisode okay, it's David
Letterman out in Los Angeles1985.
The guests on the show wereJohnny Carson, lee Marvin.
He used to do like the you knowthe tough guy movies, didn't he
(14:45):
used to do those type of things, I think.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
The name sounds familiar.
I can't picture Lee Marvin.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley.
I mean, this is how long ago itis.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
All right.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
So at one point David Letterman asked Eddie, does
David get on your nerves?
Referring to David Lee Roth,the singer of Van Halen at the
time.
And Eddie's reaction ispriceless.
If you don't want to watch anyother part of this video, just
watch him asking that question,because Eddie is just laughing
(15:22):
and you know he kind of bringshis guitar up to hide his face
so that you don't see himlaughing as hard as he is.
And as we know, that year, youknow, somewhere around that time
David Lee Roth left the band.
The following month, in June of1985, eddie Van Halen and
(15:43):
Valerie Bertinelli, who was hiswife at the time, were on Late
Night with David Letterman inNew York.
So a month later now they comeover to New York and Eddie and
the band do a full,non-commercial intro of Panama,
which was really cool.
It sounded great, it was a lotof fun and you know Eddie Van
(16:04):
Halen, as Paul Schaefer wouldsay, was a real cool cat on the
guitar.
Absolutely.
You know what, jimmy?
Let's revisit more great music,because I'm just having a blast
talking about all this musicfrom the past Me too.
May 15th 1965, bob Dylan'ssubterranean homesick blues
(16:24):
peaks at number 39 on theBillboard Hot 100.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's his first top 40 hit and if you think about how—
Wow, and so you say that 60years ago.
Like we're fine with that.
Bob Dylan's first hit 60 yearsago, right yes?
Hey that's good, the 90s thingnot so good.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, I don't know why.
I don't know the answer to that, I don't know, but you're right
.
So that was actually his firsttop 40 hit.
If you think about all thestuff Bob Dylan had done.
It wasn't until 1965 that hefinally has something top 40,
when, if you know Bob Dylan, youknow so many songs that
(17:01):
happened before this time.
So it's just a quick four-versesong, but it has one of the
coolest earliest videos that wasever done and it's Bob Dylan
holding cue cards and it's gotwords from the song and some of
them are misspelled on purposeand as the song's going, he's
(17:22):
just picking the cue cards anddropping them and the next one
comes up and the next one, andit's really simple, but it's
brilliant because it really madeyou watch and it really made
you want to watch a video of aperson that wasn't there sitting
and singing like you wereaccustomed to at the time.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yeah, no, it was a really cool outside the box
video, especially for the time.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, without a doubt, you know, without a doubt In
excess.
They gave a nod when they didMediate, which was off the 87
album Kick.
I don't know if Mediate cameout, the song came out in 87 or
88, the video I don't rememberexactly when it was but they did
the same, you know, basic thingas what Bob Dylan had done, and
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you know it was just a coolthing.
I like nods like that.
You know, we've talked aboutthat several times.
I like when people give a nodto someone, they don't come
right out and say it, you justhave to do it.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I'm just thinking about that.
Okay, well, that might comeback around.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
The nod.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I like that.
I like come back around.
Oh the nod.
I like that, I like that.
So let's go to may 23rd 1980.
The english beat.
I just can't stop it.
Their debut album, really goodalbum.
Okay, it makes a ska, reggae,pop and new wave.
And you know, at that time whenI'm starting to learn, you know
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New Wave and New Wave's mything, at that time this album
is just perfect because it givesyou all these different blends
and some of the songs Mirror inthe Bathroom, hands Off, she's
Mine, twist and Crawl Can't GetUsed to Losing you, which was an
Andy Williams song.
Andy Williams did it in 1963.
(19:12):
I believe it was a number twosong on the Billboard Hot 100 in
1963.
I don't remember what month.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But I love that song.
I just think the English beatdo better at it than Andy
Williams does.
I like Andy Williams forChristmas songs, but this
English beat version is so muchbetter.
My favorite song on the albumis Best Friend, and Dave Wakelin
kind of sings it from astandpoint of looking in the
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mirror and, you know, kind offound out the name of my best
friend in Jew, meaning himselfLike he's the one that he can
count on, he's the one that isgoing to make it happen and you
know he's the one that he cantrust and so forth.
Right, but it's, it's a greatalbum.
It really is.
And if you want to listen tosomething new, I think a lot of
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people would enjoy this album,even though they might not know
the English beat or know thisalbum.
I got to see them in 82.
They opened up this was thebill in 82.
The bill was REM, the Englishbeat and then Squeeze.
So that was a pretty cool show.
That's great.
Yeah, definitely a cool show.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now in England, weren't they just known as the
beat?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yes, in Australia they were known as the British
beat.
The English beat I think wasonly in America and Canada and I
think everywhere else was theBeat except Australia.
They called it the British Beat.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They had to be different right.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm not sure why, but they were Dave Wakeling
, ranking Roger.
Ranking Roger.
You know he died not that longago.
I mean two years, within twoyears or so.
So definitely a good band,speaking of something that's
super cool.
According to my watch, it'sMinute with Jimmy.
(21:03):
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy minute withJimmy.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's time for minute with Jimmy, minute with Jimmy,
minute with Jimmy.
Okay, going back to 1985.
In May 85, New Order releasedthe song Love Vigilantes, and
it's a really interesting songbecause Bernard Sumner, the
lyricist, said he wanted towrite a redneck song.
(21:30):
So what he meant by that wasthat he wanted something that
was a story, you know, ratherthan just this sort of new wave
concept of emotional lyrics.
He wanted something that told astory.
So it tells a story of a manthat's off at war and he wants
to see his family and comes backhome but only to find his wife
(21:51):
on the floor with a telegramsaying that he's dead.
And so you get this idea, okay,well, so that was his ghost
that came back.
But no, Sumner says it could betaken both ways.
It could be taken that he'sdead or that he came back and
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she had gotten the wrongtelegram and took her own life
out of despondency.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I've never heard that .
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, wow, so there's more.
You want to hear more?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, let's hear some more.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So the idea for the song?
Reportedly, if you listen to asong by Jimmy Cliff from 1969
called Vietnam, it says there'sa man in Vietnam and he's
sending letters home and hewants to see his wife and he
wants to see his friends sendingletters home and he wants to
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see his wife and he wants to seehis friends.
And then, instead of him cominghome, a telegram comes to his
mom saying that he's dead.
And so you're wondering oh well, didn't new order really know
about that jimmy cliff song?
Well, new order covered thatJimmy Cliff song in 2003 on an
album of war songs.
So whether they knew about itwhen they wrote it or if they
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just kind of got lumped in withit because of Love Vigilantes,
they ended up covering the JimmyCliff song with a very similar
story to their song.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Now, I love the song because it is so different for
New Order than what they hadbeen doing.
I love the guitar in it.
You know the song the way thatit starts with the drum, it's
kind of like, and then it goesinto everything.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I love the guitar on it too, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's just fantastic, Very different, and I've always
wondered I guess not wondered.
I always thought it was thatshe got a letter, that and it
was wrong, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, you always thought it was wrong.
I was going to ask you whichone you thought?
I always thought it was hisghost and he said no, you could
take it either way.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Really yeah.
So that actually was thescreamer of the week on WLIR the
third week of June in 1985.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
You're amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
No, I'm not, I'm not.
They did the song, they wroteit, they played it.
I'm just telling you what itwas.
Yeah, I really do like thatsong and it's one of those songs
that stands the test of time.
I still listen to it a lot.
You know, a 40-year-old song or50 or 60, 30s, that's a whole
(24:37):
other different thing, but it'sa really good song, just so
different.
You know, I like the end of thesong, the guitar, the way they
do it.
I like their stuff, I like howthey're a dance band, I like all
the stuff that they do.
But I really like how this songis just like a jam at the end
(24:58):
with the guitar, and it's justcool.
I just like it because it'sdifferent and it just sounds
cool.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, absolutely, and they gave that nod to Jimmy
Cliff.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
There you go.
I like that Woo.
Hey, listen, that was a goodminute with Jimmy, minute with
Jimmy.
So, jimmy, I want to finish offwith the Black Crowes' first
single off Shake your MoneyMaker, which came out in
February of 90.
First single was Jealous Againand it entered the Billboard Hot
(25:32):
100 in May of 1990.
And I was living in New York.
Still, I hadn't moved and itwas the first Black Crow song I
had heard and I loved theopening guitar, then the drums
and the piano, then the drumsand the piano Cheat.
The odds that made you brave totry to gamble at times.
(25:54):
Well, I feel like dirty laundrysending sickness on down the
line.
I had no idea what those wordswere when he's singing in Chris
Robinson and the Black Crows.
I couldn't understand it at all, but it just sounded super cool
, like I could pick out likelittle words here and there.
And when the song came out Iwas wondering about the piano
(26:19):
because, again, I never heard ofthe black crows before.
But the piano playing was justfantastic and in my head I'm
saying how do they have such agreat piano player just right
off the cuff, like how does thathappen?
Because that's not a normal,was it?
a studio guy.
It was Chuck Lavelle of theAllman Brothers band and the
(26:39):
Rolling Stones and it makessense.
What you know and I didn't know.
They took me a number of yearsbefore I found it out.
But if you to the song, it isChuck Lavelle to a T more,
probably more towards the AllmanBrothers way that he would play
the piano.
And you know, for those of youthat don't know, chuck Lavelle
(27:03):
was with the Allman Brothers.
They did that instrumental,jessica, and a fantastic song.
I think it was one of the firstsongs he did with the band.
And you've got Dickie Betts.
You know he's on guitar,chuck's on piano.
They're kind of going back andforth and oh my God, I just love
that song.
It's one of my favoriteinstrumentals.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh, it's classic.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, really really good, but that's another story
for another day.
We'll get to that.
So I had this 83 mustangconvertible back in 1990 and I
would just jam out when thatsong would come on.
I just loved it.
It just was like this perfectsong to be driving in this
convertible and driving down theroad again.
(27:48):
It's one of those songs as itends, you know, it goes, you
know, with this guitar jam andit's just cool you know what
color was the the mustang?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
it was blue with a white top all right, light blue,
dark blue, dark blue.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Oh, very cool well thank you, thank you I can
picture it now there you go it,there you go.
It was a great car.
It was a great car song.
It was a great convertibledriving car song.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, that's like a summertime driving song too,
right?
Yes, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, in New York in May it's now you're getting some
days where it's starting to bewarm, the weather's a little bit
different and it was fantastic.
You know the one thing aboutwhen you have it in the
summertime and the sun isshining bright on you, you're
just sweating.
Okay yeah, it is unbearableheat that I never could have
(28:43):
imagined.
It's a great drive at night ordriving early before the sun
rises.
You know that type of thing,but when the sun is beating down
on you, it's unbelievable.
I remember going to work.
I would wear clothes to workand then I would change because
I was soaking wet when I got towork and put new clothes on and
(29:04):
then have to put differentclothes on to drive home.
But man, seriously, that was agreat driving song.
So can you think of any drivingsongs?
Did you ever have a convertible?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I did.
Yeah, I had both a 67 and thena 68 Pontiac Bonneville
convertible.
We did talk about that Big oldboat and yeah, it gets really
hot in the sun and you also canget a sunburn pretty easily
driving around.
Yeah, you got to be carefulpretty easily driving around.
(29:40):
Yeah, you got to be careful.
Um, but you know, speaking ofnew order, age of consent, it's,
it starts out practically likeit's an instrumental, you know
it's got this kind of undulatingguitar, um riff in it that
almost feels like it's like aclean guitar, almost feels like
an acoustic, but um right, justthis real repetitive thing.
And and then the new order drum, not the, uh, not the
(30:01):
electronic drums, but sort oflike really moving it along kind
of drums.
You know they're pulsating andchurning and I think it's a
great driving song there you go.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I like that.
I'm I going to have to listento that now as I'm driving I you
know I was thinking, andthere's some like instantaneous
ones that I think most peoplewould say probably Born to be
Wild by Steppenwolf.
I mean like it's tough to driveand not to hit the gas a little
extra.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I was about to say that's a speeding ticket song.
Yeah, sweet Home Alabama.
I was going to say that's aspeeding ticket song.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, sweet Home Alabama.
That's another song that youknow I love driving One of my
favorites, la Woman by the Doors.
I think that is the perfectdriving song, like it's got all
these different parts.
It's long.
I like longer songs as I'mdriving than if I'm at home,
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type of thing.
Everybody Wants to Rule theWorld, you know.
That's one of those songs thata bunch of people if they're in
the car they'll sing along with.
And then probably the song thatpeople have sung along with
more than any other song thatI've been with is hey there,
delilah by the Plain White Tees.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
I didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It is a great song.
You don't know how many peopleknow that song until it comes on
and one person starts singingwith it.
The next thing you know likeeverybody's singing it.
It's just really cool.
I remember being up in Chicago.
We were on our way to a ChicagoCubs day baseball game.
It was a work-related thing andwe were going and I I'm driving
(31:36):
and the song comes on and I'mjust kind of singing in and
again there was like five of usand before you knew, it,
everybody's singing.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
It was really cool.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
It sounds like Mr Brightside.
Mr Brightside is another greatsong, I think, for driving.
That's a good one.
I like that.
What's that song?
Possum Kingdom by the Toadiesoh my gosh, that is just.
That's another driving songLike, wow, this is fantastic,
you know.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I'll throw out.
How about A Forest?
Speaker 2 (32:08):
By the Cure.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, oh.
I like that I know that'sdriving at night.
Oh, okay, yeah, you know you'reon like a long road Driving
through Texas or something youknow.
Barely any light out the moonand that song's just churning in
the background.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Why'd you pick Texas?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Well, it's like a you know.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
The flatlands.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Flatlands.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I gotcha.
I've driven through Texas atnight From Dallas to Houston and
it is pitch black for sure youdon't see anything.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Right, that's what I remember from the one time that
I drove through Texas and it's alittle bit like the Georgia
equivalent is I-16 between likeStatesboro and the coast.
It was like there's not much.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right, you want to get gas and be ready and have a
snack.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Because there's not a lot.
It's flat and not a lot ofexits.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah.
So I just think it's awesometalking about it.
I like when you know you starttalking about one thing and then
it just kind of morphs intosomething else.
That's I love that on the show.
I love talking about somethingand then you bring something up
and it kind of just you know youbounce off and you know car
driving songs.
It starts because the blackcrow's jealous again.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
How do you feel about Once in a Lifetime as a driving
song?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I don't know about that.
For me that's another one.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I think that's a good driving song.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I mean, I just like it in general, so I'm fine
with that.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
How about?
Okay, I'm just going to throwout the rest of the ones here,
don't Stop.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Fleetwood Mac oh, you know, that's one to just kind
of hit the accelerator.
I'm digesting it.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
And the last one I'll throw out to you.
It's another more mainstreamsong Boys of Summer.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
That's funny, so you like that song.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah, I do like that song.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
I can see that being a driving song and they talk
about the deadhead sticker onthe Cadillac.
Things changed.
You know Things changed.
Yeah, I guess I can see that Idid not like it when it came out
, uh, originally, and a buddy ofmine, paul, was really into it
and he didn't care, he just playit anyway, you know, and I got
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to hear it more and more andmore and I think, because it
said the deadhead sticker on aCadillac, that made me start
listening to it a little bitmore so, cadillac, that made me
start listening to it a littlebit more so.
But yeah, that's cool.
You know there's some gooddriving songs.
It's kind of cool to reminisceabout the 83 Mustang convertible
.
I had two.
I had a 68 GTO convertiblebefore that.
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That was in really bad shape.
I bought it for $300.
That kind of tells you whatkind of shape it was in, but it
was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
And that's the kind of car though, now, no matter
what shape it was in, right, butit was a lot of fun.
That's the kind of car though,now, no matter what shape it's
in.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That car would be worth $10,000 or more, yeah, and
I sold it for $300.
Yeah, you know.
And then that 83 Mustangseriously, it was fun to drive
when it wasn't sunbeating on you, but I sweat like anything.
Maybe that's what I need to doso that I can stay in shape.
Let the sun beat it out of me.
Hey, whatever it takes, youknow why I'm jealous.
Jealous again, thought at time,I let you in Jealous, jealous
(35:28):
again.
Got no time, baby, and we gotno time.
Because that's it for Episode 78of Music in my Shoes.
You can contact us atmusicinmyshoes at gmailcom if
you want to tell us about a carsong or a convertible or
anything else that we talkedabout.
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thank you to everyone that hasup to this point.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie, show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located righthere in Atlanta, georgia, and
Vic Thrill for our podcast music.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
(36:10):
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing.
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