May 18, 2025 • 37 mins
Jim and Jimmy explore iconic cultural moments from the 70s through 90s, connecting the dots between classic films, personal memories, and music history touchpoints.
• Smokey and the Bandit and its filming locations throughout Georgia
• Memorial Day memories spanning from 1977 to 1990
• Joy Division's tragic story and how Ian Curtis's suicide led to New Order's formation
• The existence of "Callin' Oates," an emergency Hall & Oates hotline
• Deep dive into Elton John's "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy" album and its autobiographical themes
• The significance of They Might Be Giants' "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" and The Clash's "Train in Vain"
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Bogeand you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 79.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old,
(00:50):
Eastbound and down, loaded upand trucking.
Are we gonna do what they saycan't be done?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We got a long way to go and a short time to get there
.
Way to go and a short time toget there.
I'm eastbound.
Just watch old Bandit run.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You're familiar with it, those famous words by Jerry
Reed in the movie Smoky and theBandit.
You like the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Love that movie.
Yeah, classic.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is a classic.
I absolutely love it.
I just re-watched it, probablyabout two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh, okay, I probably haven't seen it in 30 years, but
I still hold it in high regardin my mind.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I still enjoyed it.
I love that We've talked aboutthat several times where you
listen to something or you watchsomething and then you re-look
at it years later.
Does it stand that test of time?
Well, smokey and the Banditdefinitely did so.
It was good.
So it stars Burt Reynolds he'sthe Bandit.
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Sally Field as Frog, as theBandit called her.
Jerry Reed as Cletus theSnowman that was his handle.
Yeah.
Jackie Gleason as SheriffBuford T Justice, I mean, I
laugh just every time you hearthat name.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And they shot a lot of it right around Atlanta here.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, they did.
They sure did.
Pat McCormick was Big EnosBurdette and Paul Williams was
Little Enos Burdette, so PatMcCormick was a comedy writer.
I think he wrote for Carson andwrote for different people.
He actually streaked across thestage on one of Carson's
(02:34):
monologues in the early 70s, buthe didn't really do much except
write comedy for other peoplethat would use it on their shows
.
Right Did a good job with it,mm-hmm for other people that
would use it on their shows.
Right Did a good job with it,mm-hmm.
Whereas little Enos PaulWilliams, he wrote or co-wrote
and tell me if you knew this.
He wrote, I knew some of itco-wrote or wrote Three Dogs
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Night, an old-fashioned lovesong, the Carpenters We've Only
Just Begun and Rainy Days andMondays.
Barbra Streisand Evergreen,which is from A Star, is Born
back in the I guess that's the70s, and I just find that just
amazing when a person that isplaying a comedy role in Smoking
(03:23):
and the Bandit is someone thatwrote all those songs.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's just crazy Things like that that really
grabs my attention.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Did we talk about Paul Williams once before?
I can't remember if I'd.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I feel like that might be on my list.
I feel like we might have, Idon't know, all right, for some
reason, while I was thinking, Iwas like did we talk about Paul
Williams doing this?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I know that I found out recently that he worked with
the Carpenters and I can'tremember the reference, but I'll
figure it out at some point.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I believe the song We've Only Just Begun was
actually a commercial for a bank?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And then somehow the Carpenters got into and like
yeah, I think karen carpentercan sing this, and somehow it
became this big song yeah from acommercial that's exactly what
happened.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So paul williams wrote it for a commercial and
richard carpenter literallyheard it on the air and was like
gosh, that's a cool song, Ithink we can make something out
of that.
And they got together and likemade the full version of the
song and the Carpenters recordedit and it was a hit.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Sharing horizons that are new to us.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, that sounds like a commercial, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Watching the signs along the way Good for you.
Talking it over, just the two ofus.
I mean, it's so funny talkingabout the Carpenters, but it is
because of Paul Williams, who islittle Enos in Smokey, and the
Bandit.
I love when things are allconnected.
That's kind of like my thing.
Really, do they need to go getsome beer from Texarkana because
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there's a bet that they can'tget it to Atlanta within a
certain amount of time?
Smokey is Sheriff Buford, tJustice the police officer.
The bandit is driving the TransAm and then Cletus the snowman
Snow is driving the big rig thatthey're going to get the beer
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with.
And you know all kinds ofmisadventures and gags and all
kinds of things that arehappening.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, you just took it for granted back then that
okay.
Well, if you're a trucker, youneed like a Trans Am that
follows you around to confusethe police, like that was just
okay, that's part of the movie.
All right, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it worked.
It worked, it worked.
It really did work.
Um, you know, it opened upMemorial Day weekend in the
South.
One of the things they did withthe movie is they opened it up
earlier in New York city atradio city music hall.
It did not do well, did not goover well whatsoever at Radio
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City Music Hall.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It did not do well, did not go over well, whatsoever
Weird place to open it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yes, then they ended up opening it up in the South
Memorial Day weekend and as thesummer went on, they opened it
up in different parts of thecountry.
Very crazy, you know.
I'm not sure if that was acommon practice, but that's just
.
You know what they did.
So, as you mentioned, a lot ofit was filmed, you know, here in
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Atlanta.
I believe just about the wholething was filmed in Georgia.
Yes, a very cool place to see aconcert, and Lakewood
Fairgrounds had this rollercoaster that, if you not to be a
spoiler, but if you haven'tseen Smokey and the Bandit 2 yet
(06:51):
, you're probably not going tosee it.
In Smokey and the Bandit 2,they actually have a scene where
it comes down because of achase through, you know,
underneath the trestles orwhatever you call that's holding
up the roller coaster.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, an old wooden roller coaster.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Called the Greyhound.
That was in effect used from1915 to 1974.
That's a long time for a woodenroller coaster.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh, so it had been defunct for a little bit and
they were like, hey, what if weblow this up for the movie?
What?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
if we blow this up.
Yeah, they actually painted itso that it looked good to just
blow it up and take it down,which is crazy.
So all of that area, except forthe amphitheater, is a studio
with multiple locations to dodifferent things sound and
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everything.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Including that one building, that Spanish-style
looking building.
That's where you know they usedto have the flea market.
The Lakewood Antiques FleaMarket was there forever.
If you wanted to find something, you could go there and find it
.
No matter what it was, they hadit.
It was insane.
They just had so much there.
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It was really cool.
Some of it was, they had it.
It was insane.
They just had so much there.
It was really cool.
Some of it was filmed up inHelen.
Some of it was filmed Highway54, the chase scenes, a lot of
the chase scenes betweenJonesboro and Fayetteville,
jonesboro a lot of the town wasused in the movie.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I drove past a restaurant that they ate at in
the movie and it's the one whenBuford T Justice walks out.
He's got toilet paper stuck onhim, mm-hmm.
And uh, somebody pointed thatrestaurant out to me.
I think it's over in Jonesboro.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Really yeah.
So recently I found out thatsome of the film was done right
by where I live and I've been onthis kick trying to find out
different spots, differentthings that you know took place.
So exit 13, on Georgia 400,right by me, the bandit drives
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North on Georgia 400, theentrance ramp, so he's the
southbound entrance ramp, he'sdriving north, and then he comes
up and he goes over Georgia 400.
And then on the other side hecomes down the grass with the
police chasing him and that'swhere the police car kind of
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like starts tumbling over andgoes around.
That's my exit.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and I'll tell you back then because I lived in
Atlanta back then.
Exit 14, which back then wascalled exit 10, was no man's
land, Like that was out in theboonies.
There was no commercialdevelopment or anything around
there then.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And exit 14, which is Highway 20.
That's.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Highway 20.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Exit 13 is Peachtree Parkway For anybody that's out
there.
It also becomes, I think,bethelview once you get on the
other side of 141.
But it's really cool because nowI'm like always looking like,
oh, this is the exact thing, youknow, it's still kind of the
same, like the bridge is stillthe same, the embankment is
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still the same, everything.
And when you look at it it'sreally cool to be like, oh, this
is where they filmed.
So they also did the scenewhere the police car ends up on
the back of the flatbed truckand the officer yells out to the
truck driver can you drop meoff at the next exit.
It just cracks me up.
I just laugh.
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I kept rewinding that.
I just find that so funny.
Still Buford Dam, another placethat's right by me that they
filmed it at.
So it's really cool that Ididn't know this for all these
years.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And then, recently I've you know found out about it
and I just thought I wouldshare it you should host tours
of like Smokey and the Bandit,you know star tour thing where
you show people where everythingis.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And I could act like Jackie Gleason, please.
You know I got to be honestwith you and I think that's a
great idea.
Jimmy, maybe I will do thatwhen I'm not podcasting.
I could do some tours of thefilm locations.
But as much as you had BurtReynolds and the Trans Am
because the Trans Am was its ownentity in the film you know
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some people watch it just forthat, that's all they wanted to
see and as much as you know thewhole story of Frog you know
leaving her, you know groom atthe altar and everything I don't
think this film is anything.
What it's become without JackieGleason.
He was unbelievable as thesheriff, oh yeah, and had his
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son.
You know the guy that portrayedhis son in the movie.
It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So just so people know, jackie Gleason as Buford T
Justice was the movie dad ofthe guy who got stood up at the
altar, so he called him Junior,correct, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And throughout the movie would say things like I
can't believe you've come frommy loins, I can't believe when I
get home I'm going to punchyour mama.
I mean just all these differentthings, because it's just
something else.
And if you take away the jackiegleason part, that movie is
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nothing like what it became true, yeah, he was an important part
oh yeah I mean the music was abig part.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Jerry reed's music was integral to to the movie and
what a good singer too.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, his voice was perfect.
You know, he could do a greatjob.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And we know the song as Eastbound and Down, but
actually when they were drivingwest to get to Texas he did a
version that said Westbound andDown.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Which is like 10%, as good as Eastbound and Down.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Because by that time they had the beer.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Westbound and Down is playing right in the beginning
of the movie.
It's not anything.
But then, when eastbound anddown comes on, you want to get
in a truck, you want to bedriving and you know, you want
to be going.
You know, just like they did inthe old days.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah when you drive past a trucker, when you're a
kid and you do that thing withyour arm, and then they honk
their horn.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They honk their horn.
Yeah, it was fantastic.
I used to do that all the time.
I think every kid would do that.
You know, of course, whywouldn't you?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's your right as an American.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I didn't think of it that way.
I'm going to look and see ifit's part of the.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's not in the Constitution, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But hey, I would have looked.
I would have looked so like Isaid, smoky and the Bandit was
released Memorial Day weekend1977 in the South.
Let's move up three years to1980, memorial Day weekend when
the New York Islanders won theirfirst NHL Stanley Cup
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championship on May 24th.
So they went on a Saturday andit was their first you know
championship.
And I live probably about 10houses off of a road called
Hempstead Turnpike in Levittownand that's like the main you
know road around the horns andpeople screaming, just driving
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up and down.
People were lining the streetslike a parade was going to
happen but they just won.
There was no parade yet itwasn't decided.
It was so cool, it was likenothing I had experienced before
and throughout the entire nightjust the horns and you know the
Islanders thing is you know.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh, so everybody's doing that yeah everyone's doing
that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It was super cool.
So the next day, sunday, Idelivered the paper.
Back then I was a newspaperdelivery boy and on Sundays I
had a shopping cart because thepaper was big and on the front
page, you know, it was black andwhite newspaper, but they
actually put kind of a littlebit of added some color and they
had Dennis Poppin, the captain,holding the Stanley Cup over
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his head and then they had likeIslander colors, a little bit in
actual color.
And I'm like, all right, whichone of the people on my route
really isn't going to mind nothaving the front page of the
paper, because I wanted to have,you know, a few of them and I
have a bunch of them.
I truly do all these yearslater.
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And I remember pushing theshopping cart and I'm going and
at the same time I had a radioand it just seemed like they
kept playing Pat Benatar'sHeartbreaker, for some reason,
nonstop on the radio.
I just have vivid memories ofthat weekend.
So your paper route, you had ashopping cart On Sundays because
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I had so many papers Idelivered and the papers were
huge, I'd have to put them there.
Makes sense.
The rest of the week I couldjust deliver on my bicycle, but
on Sundays I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So did you have to buy a shopping cart, or did you
acquire a shopping cart?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I went to Food Town that's no longer there I got a
shopping cart.
Everybody had a shopping cart.
It was funny because you wouldalways see people.
You know, I don't remember whenI think on Fridays we picked up
like all the advertisements andlike the leisure section, like
you picked up everything exceptthe main part of the paper.
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So I think on Fridays you'd seeeverybody going down the place
to pick up the newspapers wasactually right on my street so
everybody would go by.
You'd see everyone it was.
You'd always see kids withshopping carts.
It was kind of crazy.
So finally, jimmy, memorial Day1990, 10 years later after the
Islanders win their firstStanley Cup, 13 years after
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Smokey and the Bandits released,a bunch of us went to my
friend's, girlfriend's house andwe played wiffle ball and had
like a wiffle ball tournament.
You know you would set up achair and the chair would be the
strike zone and you know I gotto be able to throw.
You know, like a wicked curveand stuff that would hit it and
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you know if it hit any part ofthe chair.
You know it was a strike andyou know if it hit any part of
the chair.
You know it was a strike andyou know it was fun, cooked out
burgers and everything.
Well, my buddy, he says I wantto go fishing.
Well, like where we were, it'snot like you go fishing.
There wasn't like fishing rightaround there, by any means.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean, you lived on Long Island, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
There is, but we were like in the middle.
I want to.
You lived on Long Island.
Yeah, You'd think there'd befishing.
There is, but we were like inthe middle.
I want to say we were in thistown, Hicksville, like right in
the middle, there's nowhere togo fishing.
So I'm like where are you goingto go fishing?
He says next door, like nextdoor.
And the people that live nextdoor to his girlfriend, they
never went to the house.
They owned it and they paidsomeone, I guess, to you know,
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mow the lawn, just so no onewould say anything.
But they were never there andsomehow their pool, they had a
built-in pool in the backyard.
They ended up with those biggoldfish in the pool.
And they lived there Like koi,koi, that's it.
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He takes a branch and like rigsup a fishing pole out of it.
And I had a you know back thenthe video cameras.
They look like you belong tothe eyewitness news.
They were these big huge things.
And I had it and I'm videoinghim fishing in this pool and
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catching fish.
It was absolutely insane.
Did he eat the fish?
No, no, he put the fish back.
No fish were harmed in catchingthem.
He was doing it just so hecould prove that he could really
catch fish.
It was insane.
It really really was like thatyou're catching fish out of
someone's you know, an in-groundpool.
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To me was like, you know, youlive better than the way I was
living at the time, you know,yeah, so it should be different
than you not being at the houseand they're being fish in your
pool, you know you know there'sa certain jeff foxworthy uh
level to that of like you mightbe a redneck if there are
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somebody's fishing in your aboveground pool I agree with you on
that, jimmy.
Yeah, I agree that, jimmy.
Yeah, I agree.
Just as the band Joy Divisionwas getting ready to go to
America for their first tour,over here, singer Ian Curtis
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hangs himself.
A month later, the song LoveWill Tear Us Apart was released.
It's a fantastic song and partand part of that song I think is
part of what was going throughhis mind.
Not that I know, but you knowthere are talk that he was
depressed, he was having some,you know, issues with his wife,
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different things going on, and II wonder if he just put it all
out into this song, because it'san unbelievable song.
It really truly is the words,the music.
They recorded it.
Each band member recorded theirpart and then they put it all
together just so that it wouldbe, you know, as perfect.
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As you know you can get a song,and the fact that it comes out
a month after he's no longerwith us and to be able to see
all of this, you know,excitement over this band, I
think also played a part that hewasn't ready for, the
excitement that would come byreaching that kind of popularity
(21:00):
Mm-hmm, yeah, very sad reachingthat kind of popularity.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, very sad.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Title as a response to the 1975 Captain and Tennille
song Love Will Keep Us Together.
It was actually recorded in thesame studio that Neil Sedaka
recorded his 1973 version, soNeil Sedaka wrote the song.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Love Will.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Keep Us Together.
Yes, he records it in a studioin England and then Joy Division
records Love Will Tear Us Apartin the same exact studio.
That's just crazy.
Like you know, it's not acoincidence, you know, it's just
crazy how it worked out thatway.
The remaining members of theband Bernard Sumner, peter Hook
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and Stephen Morris went on toform New Order later in the year
and they just kind of changedtheir musical direction and when
they first started it was stillsome of the Ian Curtis Joy
Division songs, but then theystarted to write their own and
really get into electronic anddance and everything really
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changed.
And it's amazing how one event,the case of what he did, how it
changed so many people's livesand that they went in this
different direction.
And who knows what would havehappened with Joy Division?
Who knows what way they wouldhave went as far as musically.
All we know is that New Orderhas done really well for
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themselves, a lot of good stuff.
We talked on the last episode, Ibelieve, love Vigilantes you
know, so you know, it definitelytriggers a lot of different
events from one thing.
Like the song says love.
Love will tear us apart Again.
According to my watch, it'sMinute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
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Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Minute with Jimmy, all right.
So I wanted to talk about theshow I went to the other night,
the Damned English punk band.
They actually had the veryfirst English punk record that
they put out, the first singleuh, it was called new rose.
Back in 1977 they beat the sexpistols by a couple of months.
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Uh, sex pistols later put outanarchy in the uk as their first
single, but uh, the damned havestayed together ever since.
They've literally been puttingout records for 50 years almost
50 years now and they've gonethrough a lot of different eras
and it's pretty cool.
They had their original punkstuff and then they had some
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stuff that was early hardcorepunk and then they had a kind of
a goth.
They were early on the goththing, like before the cure, you
know, around Bauhaus kind oftime.
Uh, they were, they were goth,and then they were kind of
English pop in the eighties andtheir show had all of that stuff
(24:03):
.
One cool thing about it was yougo to see a band that's been
around for 50 years.
Usually it's people our age andolder.
You know, it's like it was atleast, I would say, 30 percent
people in their 20s and younger.
Really, yeah, so they've got agood following that is pretty
cool.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, I like that.
And in 1977 I wonder if theymade time to go see Smoky and
the Bandit.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, that was Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Let's revisit some more greatmusic from the past.
So, Jimmy, a person I knowposted on social media that
there's an emergency hotline forwhen you need a fix of Hall
Oates.
I'm not making this up.
Have you heard of this before?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, but I'm glad it exists.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's fan created.
It's called Call Oates.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh good.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, so you call it.
I called it because I didn'tbelieve it and I called it.
Lets you pick one of four songsto listen to rich girl man
eater, private eyes andone-on-one.
And I just was like there's noway, there's no way at all, and
(25:22):
I called calling oats and itworked and it's been around.
I think it's been around like14 years or something.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So is there a voice that tells you you know how to
select the songs?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, it's like a robotic voice.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's a robotic voice that tellsyou what to do.
It's a woman's robotic voice.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I wonder if Hall Oates know about it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, they have to.
Everybody, like if there wassomething you know, a music in
my shoes thing you know call themusic in my shoes.
I'm sure I would know they haveto know it's been around that
long, but I'm not sure why.
Like this emergency hotline.
It's like I got to hear RichGirl right now.
But it's there, jimmy, it isthere.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, it's like when Homer Simpson called the Lost
Baby hotline, when he lostMaggie one time and they put him
on hold and the song was Baby,come back, my player.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, oh my God, welcome to Color Notes, your
emergency Hall Oates helpline.
To hear one-on-one, pleasepress 1.
To hear it go, please press 2.
To hear man-eater, please press3.
To hear privatized, pleasepress 4.
(26:41):
Call-a-notes Call-A-Notes.
We just rang up Call-A-Notes,call-a-notes, call-a-notes.
We just rang up Call-A notes,calling notes.
We just rang up calling notes.
You better try it.
You should try it.
We try it.
We call calling notes.
Alright, the Clash Train inVain Stand by Me Peaks at number
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23 on the Billboard Hot 100,may 24th 1980.
And it's such a different songfor the Clash Not, you know,
like any of their other.
You know songs that they didand off of the london calling
album, but what a great song, Imean song great, great song.
It's not listed on the originalalbum because they recorded it,
(27:23):
I guess too far into the process.
Um, you know, with the theprinting.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
They finalized the artwork yep.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, but I mean just a great, great song.
I mean I cannot get enough ofthat song.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, mick Jones is such an amazing songwriter and
it's a poppy song really catchy,but there's no other song
really quite like it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, I agree with you, it's a very unique song.
I agree, istanbul, notConstantinople, by they Might Be
Giants was Shriek WDRE, shriekof the Week, fourth week of May
1990.
Now this is a great album.
This is off of Flood.
We had talked a few episodesago about Birdhouse and your
(28:07):
Soul.
This is the second song fromthe album.
It's just cool and I think fora lot of people they learned
about different things that theynever would have.
You know, even old New York wasonce New Amsterdam, because it
was that's what New York wasoriginally called.
You know Istanbul and you knowit's nobody's business but the
(28:28):
Turks.
I mean, it's just really cool.
It's like a history lesson whenyou sing it, but it's cool,
it's fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, it is fun, I just like it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I do like it a lot.
Elton John, captain Fantasticand the Brown Dirt Cowboy Album
comes out May 23, 1975.
First the album cover lookslike a comic book.
It's just so cool.
It's got Elton.
It's got like this little facemask on him you know it's
(28:58):
cartoonish and it looks likehe's standing in a glass with
his piano.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And then it looks like yeah, it's real kind of 3D
looking almost.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, like almost 3D looking and like a garden
outdoors and just so much goingon, but it's really cool.
You know, that was the firstthing that made me like look at
this album, like, wow, this iscool.
So it peaks at number one thefirst week that it comes out,
which is that's admirable.
(29:26):
Back then, albums didn'tnecessarily do that.
They had to kind of work theirway through things.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
There was a lot of competition back then.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
A lot of competition, stayed at number one for seven
weeks and it's the last albumwith the classic lineup of Elton
Davy Johnstone on guitar, dMurray on bass, nigel Olsen on
drums and Ray Cooper onpercussion.
They didn't all perform againon an Elton album until 1983,
(29:54):
when Elton started to make hiscomeback, and it's kind of funny
.
This is the last good album fora long time until 1983, and it
had all of them and the otherones didn't.
You know, that's not acoincidence by any means.
So it's got some great songsthe song titled after the album
(30:15):
Tower of Babel, bitter Fingers,we All Fall in Love Sometimes,
Curtains and the only single onthe album, the autobiographical
Someone Saved my Life Tonight.
You almost had your hooks in me, didn't you dear?
You really had me roped andtied.
I love the opening piano chordson this song and it just kind of
(30:40):
builds.
You know there's a little likemaracas or something, or
castanets I'm not really surethe difference between them, but
you hear that.
And then it builds up and allthe instruments come in and
musically by itself it'sfantastic and lyrically by
itself it's fantastic.
It's in my top 100 favoritesongs of all time and the song
(31:05):
came out 50 years ago and I waseight when it came out and I
felt that way 50 years ago LikeI couldn't get over this song
and my friends were kind of like, hey, I want to listen to David
Cassidy, and I just wasenamored by this song.
(31:25):
It just was like so cool, therecording of it, the sound of
the drums, the piano, everythingabout it, and that's why it's
in my top 100.
Alterbound, hypnotize.
Sweet freedom whispered in myear you're a butterfly.
So one of the reasons that Ilike the song is he says Sugar
(31:50):
Bear.
And Sugar Bear was a person whothis song is about, elton John
attempting suicide, oh really.
And Sugar Bear was the personthat kind of saved them from
what was going on.
Elton was at a point in hislife where he was about to get
(32:14):
married.
He didn't really want to getmarried, kind of felt trapped in
what he was doing, felt thatmaybe he wasn't going to be able
to do his musical career if nowhe was, you know, starting a
family and it was just a toughtime for him.
Sugar Bear to me was thischaracter for cereal that I was
(32:35):
eating at the time.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Again.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm eight years old Super.
Sugar Crisp, super Sugar, crisp, super Sugar.
Can you believe anything wouldbe titled Super?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Sugar.
Okay, and then in the 80s theychanged it to Super Golden Crisp
.
They did like we didn't know itwas still the sugar cereal and
it's now called Golden Crisp.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I think they got rid of the super as well of all of
that they get rid of the bear.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't eat cerealanymore.
He's called like health bearnow or something.
Maybe.
Maybe he is.
But it was like how can theyhave a song that sounds so good
and they're saying sugar bear?
Because, again, I don'tunderstand all the words.
(33:16):
It's kind of cool when youlisten to it, the words you do
understand.
It's just super cool.
All right, understand it's justsuper cool, all right.
So summer of 1975, little rockyways going on at my home and the
beginning of the summer we endup moving to my grandparents'
house Me, my brother and mymother and we're there and
(33:38):
that's when this song comes out,and we're there, and that's
when this song comes out andit's playing and I'm listening
to it all the time.
Like I said, I'm eight, but Ithink the world of this song
where my friends what is thissong?
You know, they wanted to hear,like I said, david Cassidy or
(34:01):
Donny Osmond or Bay City Rollersand and I'm not saying any of
them are bad, I mean I likesongs by them, but I just was
like that's what mosteight-year-olds wanted to hear
back then, there you go, youwere cut from a different cloth.
Yeah, I guess so, because I lovethis song and it reminds me of
being able to.
I wasn't sure I'm eight.
(34:23):
Am I going to see my friendsagain?
You know?
Am I going to go back home?
Am I not going to go back home?
What's going to happen?
And you know, am I going to goback to school there.
And right before the summerends, right before school was
about to begin, we end up movingback home.
And that part all worked outWell.
(34:44):
When we moved into mygrandparents' house the next day
, my grandfather wakes us upearly.
We don't get up early at ourhouse.
He's like okay, you're gettingup early today.
He says we're going to get ahaircut.
I said a haircut.
We're allowed to grow our hairand my hair wasn't super long,
(35:04):
but it was long for mygrandfather, right, and I'm like
we don't have to get our haircut at my house.
He goes you don't live at yourhouse anymore, you live at my
house, oh god.
And he took us to get our haircut and it was just 1950s
haircuts it was close and it waskind of like wow, like it was
bad enough that we now had toleave her home, but it's worse
that we had to get our hair cut.
(35:26):
You know, right, any identitythat you had.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It just kind of goes there was a thing in the 70s and
anybody that didn't live orgrow up in the 70s doesn't quite
understand this but like ifyour hair didn't reach all the
way to your eyebrows and you hadskin showing on your forehead.
That was a problem.
As a kid, your parents had toat least let you grow your hair
(35:51):
that long, and my parents wouldnot.
My dad was born in the 20s andhe would give me haircuts at
home.
That's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, my parents really didn't make us get our
hair cut.
I'm not saying that we hadsuper long hair we did not but
we had longer hair and it wasn'tlike, oh, you need to go get a
haircut.
My grandmother always said weneeded to get one, and when we
moved into the house we got one.
That's what ended up happening.
The song peaked at number oneon Billboard August 16, 1975.
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And butterflies are free to fly, fly away, high away, bye, bye.
That's it for episode 79 ofMusic in my Shoes.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie,show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located herein Atlanta, georgia, and Vic
Thrill for our podcast music.
(36:47):
We talked about a lot of heavythings today.
If you are having any sort ofcrisis and feel the need to talk
to someone that's aprofessional, you can reach out
to 988.
You can either text or make aphone call or reach out to a
friend.
I'm sure they would love tolisten to you and do anything
that they can help.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
(37:10):
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing.
I'll be waiting for you.
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Bogeand you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 79.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old,
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Eastbound and down, loaded upand trucking.
Are we gonna do what they saycan't be done?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We got a long way to go and a short time to get there
.
Way to go and a short time toget there.
I'm eastbound.
Just watch old Bandit run.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
You're familiar with it, those famous words by Jerry
Reed in the movie Smoky and theBandit.
You like the movie.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Love that movie.
Yeah, classic.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is a classic.
I absolutely love it.
I just re-watched it, probablyabout two weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh, okay, I probably haven't seen it in 30 years, but
I still hold it in high regardin my mind.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I still enjoyed it.
I love that We've talked aboutthat several times where you
listen to something or you watchsomething and then you re-look
at it years later.
Does it stand that test of time?
Well, smokey and the Banditdefinitely did so.
It was good.
So it stars Burt Reynolds he'sthe Bandit.
(01:48):
Sally Field as Frog, as theBandit called her.
Jerry Reed as Cletus theSnowman that was his handle.
Yeah.
Jackie Gleason as SheriffBuford T Justice, I mean, I
laugh just every time you hearthat name.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
And they shot a lot of it right around Atlanta here.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yes, they did.
They sure did.
Pat McCormick was Big EnosBurdette and Paul Williams was
Little Enos Burdette, so PatMcCormick was a comedy writer.
I think he wrote for Carson andwrote for different people.
He actually streaked across thestage on one of Carson's
(02:34):
monologues in the early 70s, buthe didn't really do much except
write comedy for other peoplethat would use it on their shows
.
Right Did a good job with it,mm-hmm for other people that
would use it on their shows.
Right Did a good job with it,mm-hmm.
Whereas little Enos PaulWilliams, he wrote or co-wrote
and tell me if you knew this.
He wrote, I knew some of itco-wrote or wrote Three Dogs
(02:59):
Night, an old-fashioned lovesong, the Carpenters We've Only
Just Begun and Rainy Days andMondays.
Barbra Streisand Evergreen,which is from A Star, is Born
back in the I guess that's the70s, and I just find that just
amazing when a person that isplaying a comedy role in Smoking
(03:23):
and the Bandit is someone thatwrote all those songs.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's just crazy Things like that that really
grabs my attention.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Did we talk about Paul Williams once before?
I can't remember if I'd.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I feel like that might be on my list.
I feel like we might have, Idon't know, all right, for some
reason, while I was thinking, Iwas like did we talk about Paul
Williams doing this?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I know that I found out recently that he worked with
the Carpenters and I can'tremember the reference, but I'll
figure it out at some point.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I believe the song We've Only Just Begun was
actually a commercial for a bank?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And then somehow the Carpenters got into and like
yeah, I think karen carpentercan sing this, and somehow it
became this big song yeah from acommercial that's exactly what
happened.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So paul williams wrote it for a commercial and
richard carpenter literallyheard it on the air and was like
gosh, that's a cool song, Ithink we can make something out
of that.
And they got together and likemade the full version of the
song and the Carpenters recordedit and it was a hit.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Sharing horizons that are new to us.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, that sounds like a commercial, doesn't it?
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Watching the signs along the way Good for you.
Talking it over, just the two ofus.
I mean, it's so funny talkingabout the Carpenters, but it is
because of Paul Williams, who islittle Enos in Smokey, and the
Bandit.
I love when things are allconnected.
That's kind of like my thing.
Really, do they need to go getsome beer from Texarkana because
(05:05):
there's a bet that they can'tget it to Atlanta within a
certain amount of time?
Smokey is Sheriff Buford, tJustice the police officer.
The bandit is driving the TransAm and then Cletus the snowman
Snow is driving the big rig thatthey're going to get the beer
(05:26):
with.
And you know all kinds ofmisadventures and gags and all
kinds of things that arehappening.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, you just took it for granted back then that
okay.
Well, if you're a trucker, youneed like a Trans Am that
follows you around to confusethe police, like that was just
okay, that's part of the movie.
All right, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And it worked.
It worked, it worked.
It really did work.
Um, you know, it opened upMemorial Day weekend in the
South.
One of the things they did withthe movie is they opened it up
earlier in New York city atradio city music hall.
It did not do well, did not goover well whatsoever at Radio
(06:05):
City Music Hall.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It did not do well, did not go over well, whatsoever
Weird place to open it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yes, then they ended up opening it up in the South
Memorial Day weekend and as thesummer went on, they opened it
up in different parts of thecountry.
Very crazy, you know.
I'm not sure if that was acommon practice, but that's just
.
You know what they did.
So, as you mentioned, a lot ofit was filmed, you know, here in
(06:28):
Atlanta.
I believe just about the wholething was filmed in Georgia.
Yes, a very cool place to see aconcert, and Lakewood
Fairgrounds had this rollercoaster that, if you not to be a
spoiler, but if you haven'tseen Smokey and the Bandit 2 yet
(06:51):
, you're probably not going tosee it.
In Smokey and the Bandit 2,they actually have a scene where
it comes down because of achase through, you know,
underneath the trestles orwhatever you call that's holding
up the roller coaster.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, an old wooden roller coaster.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Called the Greyhound.
That was in effect used from1915 to 1974.
That's a long time for a woodenroller coaster.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Oh, so it had been defunct for a little bit and
they were like, hey, what if weblow this up for the movie?
What?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
if we blow this up.
Yeah, they actually painted itso that it looked good to just
blow it up and take it down,which is crazy.
So all of that area, except forthe amphitheater, is a studio
with multiple locations to dodifferent things sound and
(07:42):
everything.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Including that one building, that Spanish-style
looking building.
That's where you know they usedto have the flea market.
The Lakewood Antiques FleaMarket was there forever.
If you wanted to find something, you could go there and find it
.
No matter what it was, they hadit.
It was insane.
They just had so much there.
(08:04):
It was really cool.
Some of it was, they had it.
It was insane.
They just had so much there.
It was really cool.
Some of it was filmed up inHelen.
Some of it was filmed Highway54, the chase scenes, a lot of
the chase scenes betweenJonesboro and Fayetteville,
jonesboro a lot of the town wasused in the movie.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I drove past a restaurant that they ate at in
the movie and it's the one whenBuford T Justice walks out.
He's got toilet paper stuck onhim, mm-hmm.
And uh, somebody pointed thatrestaurant out to me.
I think it's over in Jonesboro.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Really yeah.
So recently I found out thatsome of the film was done right
by where I live and I've been onthis kick trying to find out
different spots, differentthings that you know took place.
So exit 13, on Georgia 400,right by me, the bandit drives
(09:01):
North on Georgia 400, theentrance ramp, so he's the
southbound entrance ramp, he'sdriving north, and then he comes
up and he goes over Georgia 400.
And then on the other side hecomes down the grass with the
police chasing him and that'swhere the police car kind of
(09:23):
like starts tumbling over andgoes around.
That's my exit.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, and I'll tell you back then because I lived in
Atlanta back then.
Exit 14, which back then wascalled exit 10, was no man's
land, Like that was out in theboonies.
There was no commercialdevelopment or anything around
there then.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And exit 14, which is Highway 20.
That's.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Highway 20.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Exit 13 is Peachtree Parkway For anybody that's out
there.
It also becomes, I think,bethelview once you get on the
other side of 141.
But it's really cool because nowI'm like always looking like,
oh, this is the exact thing, youknow, it's still kind of the
same, like the bridge is stillthe same, the embankment is
(10:10):
still the same, everything.
And when you look at it it'sreally cool to be like, oh, this
is where they filmed.
So they also did the scenewhere the police car ends up on
the back of the flatbed truckand the officer yells out to the
truck driver can you drop meoff at the next exit.
It just cracks me up.
I just laugh.
(10:30):
I kept rewinding that.
I just find that so funny.
Still Buford Dam, another placethat's right by me that they
filmed it at.
So it's really cool that Ididn't know this for all these
years.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
And then, recently I've you know found out about it
and I just thought I wouldshare it you should host tours
of like Smokey and the Bandit,you know star tour thing where
you show people where everythingis.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And I could act like Jackie Gleason, please.
You know I got to be honestwith you and I think that's a
great idea.
Jimmy, maybe I will do thatwhen I'm not podcasting.
I could do some tours of thefilm locations.
But as much as you had BurtReynolds and the Trans Am
because the Trans Am was its ownentity in the film you know
(11:22):
some people watch it just forthat, that's all they wanted to
see and as much as you know thewhole story of Frog you know
leaving her, you know groom atthe altar and everything I don't
think this film is anything.
What it's become without JackieGleason.
He was unbelievable as thesheriff, oh yeah, and had his
(11:47):
son.
You know the guy that portrayedhis son in the movie.
It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
So just so people know, jackie Gleason as Buford T
Justice was the movie dad ofthe guy who got stood up at the
altar, so he called him Junior,correct, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And throughout the movie would say things like I
can't believe you've come frommy loins, I can't believe when I
get home I'm going to punchyour mama.
I mean just all these differentthings, because it's just
something else.
And if you take away the jackiegleason part, that movie is
(12:27):
nothing like what it became true, yeah, he was an important part
oh yeah I mean the music was abig part.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Jerry reed's music was integral to to the movie and
what a good singer too.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I mean, his voice was perfect.
You know, he could do a greatjob.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And we know the song as Eastbound and Down, but
actually when they were drivingwest to get to Texas he did a
version that said Westbound andDown.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Which is like 10%, as good as Eastbound and Down.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Because by that time they had the beer.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Westbound and Down is playing right in the beginning
of the movie.
It's not anything.
But then, when eastbound anddown comes on, you want to get
in a truck, you want to bedriving and you know, you want
to be going.
You know, just like they did inthe old days.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah when you drive past a trucker, when you're a
kid and you do that thing withyour arm, and then they honk
their horn.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
They honk their horn.
Yeah, it was fantastic.
I used to do that all the time.
I think every kid would do that.
You know, of course, whywouldn't you?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It's your right as an American.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I didn't think of it that way.
I'm going to look and see ifit's part of the.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's not in the Constitution, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
But hey, I would have looked.
I would have looked so like Isaid, smoky and the Bandit was
released Memorial Day weekend1977 in the South.
Let's move up three years to1980, memorial Day weekend when
the New York Islanders won theirfirst NHL Stanley Cup
(14:02):
championship on May 24th.
So they went on a Saturday andit was their first you know
championship.
And I live probably about 10houses off of a road called
Hempstead Turnpike in Levittownand that's like the main you
know road around the horns andpeople screaming, just driving
(14:24):
up and down.
People were lining the streetslike a parade was going to
happen but they just won.
There was no parade yet itwasn't decided.
It was so cool, it was likenothing I had experienced before
and throughout the entire nightjust the horns and you know the
Islanders thing is you know.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Oh, so everybody's doing that yeah everyone's doing
that.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It was super cool.
So the next day, sunday, Idelivered the paper.
Back then I was a newspaperdelivery boy and on Sundays I
had a shopping cart because thepaper was big and on the front
page, you know, it was black andwhite newspaper, but they
actually put kind of a littlebit of added some color and they
had Dennis Poppin, the captain,holding the Stanley Cup over
(15:14):
his head and then they had likeIslander colors, a little bit in
actual color.
And I'm like, all right, whichone of the people on my route
really isn't going to mind nothaving the front page of the
paper, because I wanted to have,you know, a few of them and I
have a bunch of them.
I truly do all these yearslater.
(15:35):
And I remember pushing theshopping cart and I'm going and
at the same time I had a radioand it just seemed like they
kept playing Pat Benatar'sHeartbreaker, for some reason,
nonstop on the radio.
I just have vivid memories ofthat weekend.
So your paper route, you had ashopping cart On Sundays because
(15:56):
I had so many papers Idelivered and the papers were
huge, I'd have to put them there.
Makes sense.
The rest of the week I couldjust deliver on my bicycle, but
on Sundays I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So did you have to buy a shopping cart, or did you
acquire a shopping cart?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I went to Food Town that's no longer there I got a
shopping cart.
Everybody had a shopping cart.
It was funny because you wouldalways see people.
You know, I don't remember whenI think on Fridays we picked up
like all the advertisements andlike the leisure section, like
you picked up everything exceptthe main part of the paper.
(16:32):
So I think on Fridays you'd seeeverybody going down the place
to pick up the newspapers wasactually right on my street so
everybody would go by.
You'd see everyone it was.
You'd always see kids withshopping carts.
It was kind of crazy.
So finally, jimmy, memorial Day1990, 10 years later after the
Islanders win their firstStanley Cup, 13 years after
(16:57):
Smokey and the Bandits released,a bunch of us went to my
friend's, girlfriend's house andwe played wiffle ball and had
like a wiffle ball tournament.
You know you would set up achair and the chair would be the
strike zone and you know I gotto be able to throw.
You know, like a wicked curveand stuff that would hit it and
(17:18):
you know if it hit any part ofthe chair.
You know it was a strike andyou know if it hit any part of
the chair.
You know it was a strike andyou know it was fun, cooked out
burgers and everything.
Well, my buddy, he says I wantto go fishing.
Well, like where we were, it'snot like you go fishing.
There wasn't like fishing rightaround there, by any means.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean, you lived on Long Island, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
There is, but we were like in the middle.
I want to.
You lived on Long Island.
Yeah, You'd think there'd befishing.
There is, but we were like inthe middle.
I want to say we were in thistown, Hicksville, like right in
the middle, there's nowhere togo fishing.
So I'm like where are you goingto go fishing?
He says next door, like nextdoor.
And the people that live nextdoor to his girlfriend, they
never went to the house.
They owned it and they paidsomeone, I guess, to you know,
(18:06):
mow the lawn, just so no onewould say anything.
But they were never there andsomehow their pool, they had a
built-in pool in the backyard.
They ended up with those biggoldfish in the pool.
And they lived there Like koi,koi, that's it.
(18:27):
He takes a branch and like rigsup a fishing pole out of it.
And I had a you know back thenthe video cameras.
They look like you belong tothe eyewitness news.
They were these big huge things.
And I had it and I'm videoinghim fishing in this pool and
(18:50):
catching fish.
It was absolutely insane.
Did he eat the fish?
No, no, he put the fish back.
No fish were harmed in catchingthem.
He was doing it just so hecould prove that he could really
catch fish.
It was insane.
It really really was like thatyou're catching fish out of
someone's you know, an in-groundpool.
(19:12):
To me was like, you know, youlive better than the way I was
living at the time, you know,yeah, so it should be different
than you not being at the houseand they're being fish in your
pool, you know you know there'sa certain jeff foxworthy uh
level to that of like you mightbe a redneck if there are
(19:33):
somebody's fishing in your aboveground pool I agree with you on
that, jimmy.
Yeah, I agree that, jimmy.
Yeah, I agree.
Just as the band Joy Divisionwas getting ready to go to
America for their first tour,over here, singer Ian Curtis
(19:54):
hangs himself.
A month later, the song LoveWill Tear Us Apart was released.
It's a fantastic song and partand part of that song I think is
part of what was going throughhis mind.
Not that I know, but you knowthere are talk that he was
depressed, he was having some,you know, issues with his wife,
(20:15):
different things going on, and II wonder if he just put it all
out into this song, because it'san unbelievable song.
It really truly is the words,the music.
They recorded it.
Each band member recorded theirpart and then they put it all
together just so that it wouldbe, you know, as perfect.
(20:36):
As you know you can get a song,and the fact that it comes out
a month after he's no longerwith us and to be able to see
all of this, you know,excitement over this band, I
think also played a part that hewasn't ready for, the
excitement that would come byreaching that kind of popularity
(21:00):
Mm-hmm, yeah, very sad reachingthat kind of popularity.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, very sad.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Title as a response to the 1975 Captain and Tennille
song Love Will Keep Us Together.
It was actually recorded in thesame studio that Neil Sedaka
recorded his 1973 version, soNeil Sedaka wrote the song.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Love Will.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Keep Us Together.
Yes, he records it in a studioin England and then Joy Division
records Love Will Tear Us Apartin the same exact studio.
That's just crazy.
Like you know, it's not acoincidence, you know, it's just
crazy how it worked out thatway.
The remaining members of theband Bernard Sumner, peter Hook
(21:42):
and Stephen Morris went on toform New Order later in the year
and they just kind of changedtheir musical direction and when
they first started it was stillsome of the Ian Curtis Joy
Division songs, but then theystarted to write their own and
really get into electronic anddance and everything really
(22:03):
changed.
And it's amazing how one event,the case of what he did, how it
changed so many people's livesand that they went in this
different direction.
And who knows what would havehappened with Joy Division?
Who knows what way they wouldhave went as far as musically.
All we know is that New Orderhas done really well for
(22:28):
themselves, a lot of good stuff.
We talked on the last episode, Ibelieve, love Vigilantes you
know, so you know, it definitelytriggers a lot of different
events from one thing.
Like the song says love.
Love will tear us apart Again.
According to my watch, it'sMinute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
(22:50):
Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
It's time for Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Minute with Jimmy, all right.
So I wanted to talk about theshow I went to the other night,
the Damned English punk band.
They actually had the veryfirst English punk record that
they put out, the first singleuh, it was called new rose.
Back in 1977 they beat the sexpistols by a couple of months.
(23:17):
Uh, sex pistols later put outanarchy in the uk as their first
single, but uh, the damned havestayed together ever since.
They've literally been puttingout records for 50 years almost
50 years now and they've gonethrough a lot of different eras
and it's pretty cool.
They had their original punkstuff and then they had some
(23:40):
stuff that was early hardcorepunk and then they had a kind of
a goth.
They were early on the goththing, like before the cure, you
know, around Bauhaus kind oftime.
Uh, they were, they were goth,and then they were kind of
English pop in the eighties andtheir show had all of that stuff
(24:03):
.
One cool thing about it was yougo to see a band that's been
around for 50 years.
Usually it's people our age andolder.
You know, it's like it was atleast, I would say, 30 percent
people in their 20s and younger.
Really, yeah, so they've got agood following that is pretty
cool.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Yeah, I like that.
And in 1977 I wonder if theymade time to go see Smoky and
the Bandit.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, that was Minute with Jimmy.
Minute with Jimmy.
Let's revisit some more greatmusic from the past.
So, Jimmy, a person I knowposted on social media that
there's an emergency hotline forwhen you need a fix of Hall
Oates.
I'm not making this up.
Have you heard of this before?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, but I'm glad it exists.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's fan created.
It's called Call Oates.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh good.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, so you call it.
I called it because I didn'tbelieve it and I called it.
Lets you pick one of four songsto listen to rich girl man
eater, private eyes andone-on-one.
And I just was like there's noway, there's no way at all, and
(25:22):
I called calling oats and itworked and it's been around.
I think it's been around like14 years or something.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
So is there a voice that tells you you know how to
select the songs?
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, it's like a robotic voice.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's a robotic voice that tellsyou what to do.
It's a woman's robotic voice.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I wonder if Hall Oates know about it.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Yeah, they have to.
Everybody, like if there wassomething you know, a music in
my shoes thing you know call themusic in my shoes.
I'm sure I would know they haveto know it's been around that
long, but I'm not sure why.
Like this emergency hotline.
It's like I got to hear RichGirl right now.
But it's there, jimmy, it isthere.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Well, it's like when Homer Simpson called the Lost
Baby hotline, when he lostMaggie one time and they put him
on hold and the song was Baby,come back, my player.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, oh my God, welcome to Color Notes, your
emergency Hall Oates helpline.
To hear one-on-one, pleasepress 1.
To hear it go, please press 2.
To hear man-eater, please press3.
To hear privatized, pleasepress 4.
(26:41):
Call-a-notes Call-A-Notes.
We just rang up Call-A-Notes,call-a-notes, call-a-notes.
We just rang up Call-A notes,calling notes.
We just rang up calling notes.
You better try it.
You should try it.
We try it.
We call calling notes.
Alright, the Clash Train inVain Stand by Me Peaks at number
(27:01):
23 on the Billboard Hot 100,may 24th 1980.
And it's such a different songfor the Clash Not, you know,
like any of their other.
You know songs that they didand off of the london calling
album, but what a great song, Imean song great, great song.
It's not listed on the originalalbum because they recorded it,
(27:23):
I guess too far into the process.
Um, you know, with the theprinting.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
They finalized the artwork yep.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, but I mean just a great, great song.
I mean I cannot get enough ofthat song.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, mick Jones is such an amazing songwriter and
it's a poppy song really catchy,but there's no other song
really quite like it.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, I agree with you, it's a very unique song.
I agree, istanbul, notConstantinople, by they Might Be
Giants was Shriek WDRE, shriekof the Week, fourth week of May
1990.
Now this is a great album.
This is off of Flood.
We had talked a few episodesago about Birdhouse and your
(28:07):
Soul.
This is the second song fromthe album.
It's just cool and I think fora lot of people they learned
about different things that theynever would have.
You know, even old New York wasonce New Amsterdam, because it
was that's what New York wasoriginally called.
You know Istanbul and you knowit's nobody's business but the
(28:28):
Turks.
I mean, it's just really cool.
It's like a history lesson whenyou sing it, but it's cool,
it's fun, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, it is fun, I just like it.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I do like it a lot.
Elton John, captain Fantasticand the Brown Dirt Cowboy Album
comes out May 23, 1975.
First the album cover lookslike a comic book.
It's just so cool.
It's got Elton.
It's got like this little facemask on him you know it's
(28:58):
cartoonish and it looks likehe's standing in a glass with
his piano.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
And then it looks like yeah, it's real kind of 3D
looking almost.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, like almost 3D looking and like a garden
outdoors and just so much goingon, but it's really cool.
You know, that was the firstthing that made me like look at
this album, like, wow, this iscool.
So it peaks at number one thefirst week that it comes out,
which is that's admirable.
(29:26):
Back then, albums didn'tnecessarily do that.
They had to kind of work theirway through things.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
There was a lot of competition back then.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
A lot of competition, stayed at number one for seven
weeks and it's the last albumwith the classic lineup of Elton
Davy Johnstone on guitar, dMurray on bass, nigel Olsen on
drums and Ray Cooper onpercussion.
They didn't all perform againon an Elton album until 1983,
(29:54):
when Elton started to make hiscomeback, and it's kind of funny
.
This is the last good album fora long time until 1983, and it
had all of them and the otherones didn't.
You know, that's not acoincidence by any means.
So it's got some great songsthe song titled after the album
(30:15):
Tower of Babel, bitter Fingers,we All Fall in Love Sometimes,
Curtains and the only single onthe album, the autobiographical
Someone Saved my Life Tonight.
You almost had your hooks in me, didn't you dear?
You really had me roped andtied.
I love the opening piano chordson this song and it just kind of
(30:40):
builds.
You know there's a little likemaracas or something, or
castanets I'm not really surethe difference between them, but
you hear that.
And then it builds up and allthe instruments come in and
musically by itself it'sfantastic and lyrically by
itself it's fantastic.
It's in my top 100 favoritesongs of all time and the song
(31:05):
came out 50 years ago and I waseight when it came out and I
felt that way 50 years ago LikeI couldn't get over this song
and my friends were kind of like, hey, I want to listen to David
Cassidy, and I just wasenamored by this song.
(31:25):
It just was like so cool, therecording of it, the sound of
the drums, the piano, everythingabout it, and that's why it's
in my top 100.
Alterbound, hypnotize.
Sweet freedom whispered in myear you're a butterfly.
So one of the reasons that Ilike the song is he says Sugar
(31:50):
Bear.
And Sugar Bear was a person whothis song is about, elton John
attempting suicide, oh really.
And Sugar Bear was the personthat kind of saved them from
what was going on.
Elton was at a point in hislife where he was about to get
(32:14):
married.
He didn't really want to getmarried, kind of felt trapped in
what he was doing, felt thatmaybe he wasn't going to be able
to do his musical career if nowhe was, you know, starting a
family and it was just a toughtime for him.
Sugar Bear to me was thischaracter for cereal that I was
(32:35):
eating at the time.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Again.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I'm eight years old Super.
Sugar Crisp, super Sugar, crisp, super Sugar.
Can you believe anything wouldbe titled Super?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Sugar.
Okay, and then in the 80s theychanged it to Super Golden Crisp
.
They did like we didn't know itwas still the sugar cereal and
it's now called Golden Crisp.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I think they got rid of the super as well of all of
that they get rid of the bear.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't eat cerealanymore.
He's called like health bearnow or something.
Maybe.
Maybe he is.
But it was like how can theyhave a song that sounds so good
and they're saying sugar bear?
Because, again, I don'tunderstand all the words.
(33:16):
It's kind of cool when youlisten to it, the words you do
understand.
It's just super cool.
All right, understand it's justsuper cool, all right.
So summer of 1975, little rockyways going on at my home and the
beginning of the summer we endup moving to my grandparents'
house Me, my brother and mymother and we're there and
(33:38):
that's when this song comes out,and we're there, and that's
when this song comes out andit's playing and I'm listening
to it all the time.
Like I said, I'm eight, but Ithink the world of this song
where my friends what is thissong?
You know, they wanted to hear,like I said, david Cassidy or
(34:01):
Donny Osmond or Bay City Rollersand and I'm not saying any of
them are bad, I mean I likesongs by them, but I just was
like that's what mosteight-year-olds wanted to hear
back then, there you go, youwere cut from a different cloth.
Yeah, I guess so, because I lovethis song and it reminds me of
being able to.
I wasn't sure I'm eight.
(34:23):
Am I going to see my friendsagain?
You know?
Am I going to go back home?
Am I not going to go back home?
What's going to happen?
And you know, am I going to goback to school there.
And right before the summerends, right before school was
about to begin, we end up movingback home.
And that part all worked outWell.
(34:44):
When we moved into mygrandparents' house the next day
, my grandfather wakes us upearly.
We don't get up early at ourhouse.
He's like okay, you're gettingup early today.
He says we're going to get ahaircut.
I said a haircut.
We're allowed to grow our hairand my hair wasn't super long,
(35:04):
but it was long for mygrandfather, right, and I'm like
we don't have to get our haircut at my house.
He goes you don't live at yourhouse anymore, you live at my
house, oh god.
And he took us to get our haircut and it was just 1950s
haircuts it was close and it waskind of like wow, like it was
bad enough that we now had toleave her home, but it's worse
that we had to get our hair cut.
(35:26):
You know, right, any identitythat you had.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It just kind of goes there was a thing in the 70s and
anybody that didn't live orgrow up in the 70s doesn't quite
understand this but like ifyour hair didn't reach all the
way to your eyebrows and you hadskin showing on your forehead.
That was a problem.
As a kid, your parents had toat least let you grow your hair
(35:51):
that long, and my parents wouldnot.
My dad was born in the 20s andhe would give me haircuts at
home.
That's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, my parents really didn't make us get our
hair cut.
I'm not saying that we hadsuper long hair we did not but
we had longer hair and it wasn'tlike, oh, you need to go get a
haircut.
My grandmother always said weneeded to get one, and when we
moved into the house we got one.
That's what ended up happening.
The song peaked at number oneon Billboard August 16, 1975.
(36:26):
And butterflies are free to fly, fly away, high away, bye, bye.
That's it for episode 79 ofMusic in my Shoes.
I'd like to thank Jimmy Guthrie,show producer and owner of
Arcade 160 Studios located herein Atlanta, georgia, and Vic
Thrill for our podcast music.
(36:47):
We talked about a lot of heavythings today.
If you are having any sort ofcrisis and feel the need to talk
to someone that's aprofessional, you can reach out
to 988.
You can either text or make aphone call or reach out to a
friend.
I'm sure they would love tolisten to you and do anything
that they can help.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
(37:10):
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing.
I'll be waiting for you.
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