June 29, 2025 • 42 mins
What happens when lifelong fandom meets musical opportunity? Matt Hughes knows firsthand. Having grown up purchasing Black Sabbath albums, Matt eventually found himself trading guitar solos with Tony Iommi and jamming alongside Bill Ward through Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp experiences that transformed his relationship with music.
The most remarkable chapters of Matt's story revolve around Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp, which he describes as "life-changing." Through this innovative program, musicians of all skill levels get to perform with rock legends. For Matt, this meant playing Hendrix's "Hey Joe" with Bill Ward and Lita Ford, and later receiving "the nod" from Tony Iommi to take a guitar solo during Black Sabbath's "Into the Void." These surreal moments—capped by Iommi gifting him a guitar pick—illustrate how the boundaries between fan and musician can beautifully blur.
As we anticipate Black Sabbath and Ozzy's final performance together in Birmingham on July 5, 2025, Matt's experiences offer a unique perspective on music's power to create meaningful connections across decades. His story reminds us that passion, persistence, and a willingness to participate can transform our relationship with the music and artists we love.
We also look back at the Billboard Hot 100 Chart from July 13, 1985. Songs included are Dire Straits "Money for Nothing" and Dead or Alive "You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)." What made #1? Listen to find out!!!
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Bogeand you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 85.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
On July 5th 2025, black Sabbathand Ozzy Osbourne are playing
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their final live show togetherin Birmingham, england, titled
Back to the Beginning Ozzy withBlack Sabbath, ozzy solo, as
well as performances fromMetallica, guns N' Roses, slayer
, tool, pantera, anthrax, tomMorello, billy Corgan and many,
(01:14):
many more.
So I thought it would be reallycool to have a guest on the
show that is jammed with twomembers of Black Sabbath drummer
Bill Ward and guitarist TonyIommi.
And, just like that, joining uson the phone from Seal Beach,
california, is Matt Hughes.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
(01:35):
My pleasure, jim.
Hi, jimmy.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Hey, matt, so glad you're joining us.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So, just to put it out there, I've known Matt since
elementary school, which is apretty long time, and we
actually took a guitar classtogether, matt, do you remember
in 10th grade?
I think it was Mr Reynolds thattaught the class.
Yes, I do podcast and I knowthat that you have, uh done well
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.
You know playing the guitar,having fun with it and and play
with many different people.
So what are your early memoriesof listening to Black Sabbath
and Ozzy?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
um, I actually remember the first time I
listened to, um, a Black Sabbathalbum was that we sold our
souls for rock and roll, kind ofa greatest hits album.
So I literally remember beingin Levittown, new York and
listening to that album and theimpact of it, the real power
from hearing that catalog.
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It was incredible.
And then with the Blizzard ofOz album, I bought the English
import of that English import ofthat.
So I had Blizzard a few monthsbefore it came out in America
and I got to see the Blizzard ofOz tour at the Palladium with
Randy Rhoads, rudy Sarzo andTommy Aldridge rounding out the
band.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's a pretty good thing.
Yeah, that is definitely prettycool.
So when you first heard BlackSabbath, was it from friends or
was it from a family member?
Where did you get to hear itfrom?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yes, it was one of my best friends, still to this day
.
Chris DePaulo loaned me thealbum we Sold Our Souls for Rock
and Roll and from there I wentand bought the entire.
You know, using paper routemoney and washing dishes and all
the teenage money you can roundup.
But I wound up going back andbuying the entire catalog and
then following Ozzy's careerfrom the Blizzard all the way
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through the current material.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, so it's kind of funny.
You talk about the paper route.
I had a paper route and CornCrib, the road that you grew up
on, actually was one of thestreets that I would do my
deliveries to and I have a lotof good memories.
The first time I heard theB-52s was actually on Corn Crib,
probably two-thirds of the waydown from your house, and I can
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still remember to this day thewhole thing and how I got to
hear them was on corn crib as Iwas delivering the newspaper.
It was just, you know some,some good memories, uh, for me.
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So you know, I remember back in1982, there was a school dance
at division Avenue, where wewent to high school, and that
happened to be the day thatRandy Rhodes was killed in the
plane crash.
And I remember talking with youyou know this is 43 years ago
and you know it definitely, youknow had an impact, you know, on
you and what do you think about, you know, ozzy, and before
with Randy Rhodes, and thenafter, and you know kind of the
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way that that his career went.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, I love all of the incarnations of Ozzy's band.
He's always had the bestmusicians, whether it was in
Sabbath and then his solo career.
So Tommy Aldridge and RudySarzo were the bass and drummer
on the Blizzard tour and on theDiary of a Madman tour.
I saw both of those with RandyRhoads on guitar.
And then the next tour he addedCarmine Appese from New York on
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drums and Jakey Lee on guitar,and we were seniors in high
school.
Jim and Richie Lurita took usbackstage at the Nassau Coliseum
.
He was one of the, he worked atthe concession stand and he
brought Kenny Mullen and Ibackstage.
So we got to spend, uh, thatafternoon with Jakey Lee,
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chit-chatting with him.
We met the entire band.
We only got to say hello toOzzy and Sharon because they
were literally holding an infantbaby daughter Amy, at the time.
So it was really cool how, um,we got right in right away.
So seeing the Blizzard tour,then the Bark at the Moon tour,
and after Jakey Lee was ZachWild on guitar and just a
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phenomenal musician from NewJersey, great singer, songwriter
and a crazy shredder on guitar.
He had Steve Vai on guitar andthe reason I mentioned that is
I've jammed with most of thosepeople.
So we'll get into that stuff.
But most of the people I justnamed I've played with.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's really cool.
That's so cool, and not as coolas the fact that, I remember,
the concession stand was run byHarry M Stevenson, if I'm not
mistaken.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yes, Harry M.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Stevens and Richie Laredo, who's no longer with us.
You know another guy that Iknew back from elementary school
and, you know, have some goodmemories with him.
That's really cool that he wasable to get you backstage for
all that.
So you know, let's get into itand let's talk about you playing
with.
I mean I wanted to talk aboutBill Ward and Tony Iommi.
(06:45):
I mean you feel free to talkabout them and some of the other
people.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Sure, Bill and I have been friends for over 20 years,
so that was very nice.
That when the way I got to play, I used to own a music video
soundstage and a recordingstudio, and I'm going to say
between up to 2013.
So Bill, who was already afriend, a new friend at that
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time would actually come to mysoundstage and have his band,
the Bill Ward band, rehearsetheir material there.
So we were friendly way backwhen.
And then in 2015, Bill signedup to do a rock and roll fantasy
camp and that's really where Igot to jam with most of these
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people, even though, through myrecording studio and my music
videography work through upuntil 2020, I had made all these
music connections and was ableto write and record and, uh,
with a lot of other people.
So in 2015, Bill Ward eventhough he was at my studio the
week of that and we had lunchtogether before that he was
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doing a rock and roll fantasycamp.
So I paid the money I don't askfriends to jam or do anything
uh, that would infringe on ourfriendship and so he was doing
it.
It was open for the public andit was Bill Ward.
Michael Shanker, 38 Special andGlenn Hughes of Deep Purple
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were the headliners, and RudySarzo, who's the bass player in
Ozzy, was also one of the rockand roll fantasy camp counselors
that time.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Wasn't he in Quiet Ryan?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
He was.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, he was in Quiet Ryan.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Come here with noise and all that Mm-hmm.
Yes, so Rudy was there as well.
So that weekend I got to playwith Bill and Rudy and then
later on I did three rock androll fantasy camps.
It's the greatest event.
I just can't say enough aboutit.
David Fischhoff is the producerof it and he is the person who
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I'll say produced the first cameup with the idea for Ringo to
do the all-star band.
Ringo to do the all-star band,so that's where it originates
and getting all of those usingRingo's network and David's
network to get all those greatperformers over the last 30
years.
(09:15):
I know you just went to seeRingo and I saw him last year.
David started in music doingthat Ringo Starr all-star band
and the Monkees Reunion Tour inthe 80s and then developed Rock
and Roll Fantasy Camp.
So it's just through thatextraordinary life-changing camp
that you get to spend the wholeweekend with some of these,
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with the counselors, who wereall rock stars, and then the
headliners, like Bill Ward.
Tony Iommi did the same thingtwo years later.
So I got to play with TonyIommi and Zach Wild of Ozzy's
band as well as Steve Vai, right.
So Steve Vai played on onealbum with Ozzy, right.
(09:57):
So the connection back toSabbath and Ozzy is really
amazing that you know five ofthose people I got to play with
through Rock and Roll FantasyCamp.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So what kind of music were you playing?
Were you playing Black Sabbathsongs?
Were you just playing, you know, regular songs that everybody
knows.
Can you go into that a littlebit?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Sure.
So Bill's preference was hewanted to play music that
inspired him, right.
So he didn't want to playSabbath songs.
So he had a list of songs thathe threw out to the Fantasy Camp
organization and we got to pickwhat we wanted to play.
There's actually a clip onYouTube of me and Lita Ford and
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she was our camp counselor, andBill as the headliner playing
hey Joe from Jimi Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That must have been really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Just wondering, like what the typical person that
attends rock and roll fantasycamp?
Are they usually real,established musicians?
Are they usually middle-aged oryounger, or what are they like?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It runs the gamut, right.
So they have some folks whonever played an instrument but
they get to sing backgroundvocals with their idols, right,
yeah.
And other people are shreddermusicians that are just
phenomenal and everywhere inbetween.
But they really go out of theirway to kind of place people
together and, you know, you gothrough a questionnaire of
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abilities so they kind of canbalance things out.
And the counselors are realamazing.
They work with the folks toteach them the vocal line or
teach them a tambourine beat oryou know a cowbell or something,
so everyone gets to performwith them at the best of their
ability.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That's fun.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And there's been some great ones, just some great
performers and great musiciansand great friends.
Some of my very, very bestfriends I made at Rock and Roll
Fantasy Camp.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Wow, that is pretty cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's crazy.
I'm going to go meet as soon asI'm done here.
I'm going to go meet them, andthey were from Cleveland and we
met at Fantasy Camp in 2015.
And 10 years later, we're bestfriends and they moved to
California.
So it's just.
I can't say enough of greatthings about it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That's pretty cool.
So with Tony Iommi, when youjammed with him, what was he
looking to play at that time?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They had played the LA Forum the night before, so
Tony was in Los Angeles, thecamp was in Los Angeles, the
Bill Ward camp was in Las Vegasand Tony Was playing Sabbath
Song so he was good to go withPlaying that.
I played Into the Void off ofMasters of Reality Album.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Just what was wonderful about my Experience
was I had gone in in between,when we were setting up the
stage and preparing, I went upand put my guitar next to Tony's
stage gear right, so I wound upplaying right next to him.
And then, after Tony does hissolo, he just looks up and gives
me the nod for me to play right.
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And it was just.
You know, I was only one of thecampers that got to do exchange
guitar solos and I wasn'tprepared.
I just had to improvise likemusicians do.
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I bet it was.
So what's that like for youbeing able to jam with them and,
you know, with Tony Iommi, notknowing that you're gonna, you
know, trade guitar solos?
I mean, being a fan for so longwhen you're in the moment.
Do you know?
Are you thinking about it or isit something that, like, after
it's over, you sit back and likethis is what I just did, um all
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of the above right.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So I did a little prep work.
Um I, I knew what I was goingto play for the song, but one of
the other band members wasdoing the lead guitar stuff.
So once Tony gave me the nod,it was just go right, and that's
surreal.
That's part of the event,though.
When you're playing with TonyIommi and Zach Wilde and Steve
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Vai and Warren Haynes, donFelder, they're looking, they're
musicians, they want you toplay.
It's not just you know, they'reengaging.
So he gave me the nod and Ijust went for it.
I'm not sure how good or bad itsounded, but I have it on video
and that you know it was reallyawesome.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's great.
I mean it sounds like it didn't, like it wasn't a disaster.
You know sometimes like you gofor a lead and it's like okay
that one didn't work out, but Imean it sounds like you did a
job that you're pretty proudenough of right.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, in the video I couldn't hear my.
His volume was louder, right,you know the full stack and all
of that.
He's trying to fit Laney.
He used Laney amplifiers and hehad like a full stack and we
were I was using a smaller amp,but it's just where the video
camera was, um.
So anyway, I'm sure what Iplayed was fine, I'm sure what
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he played was way better.
And then I asked him for theguitar pick.
So that was really cool.
So he just handed it to me andI kind of planned that in
advance, like I'm going to askfor that guitar pick.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That is kind of cool, you know, and the funny thing
is, and I don't know how manypeople know, but Tony Iommi was
in Jethro Tull for like a weekor something.
And actually was on the rock androll circus video when the
rolling stones did the rock androll circus, which is definitely
.
I listened to that a ton.
I love listening to it.
(15:37):
I have it on my phone and toyou know, I don't know if it was
a week, but I don't think itwas more than two weeks and I'm
so glad he got out of jethrotull and that.
You know he became part ofBlack Sabbath and you know the
rest is history.
We know, you know everythingthat happened with them.
But you know sometimes, if youthink about it, about band
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members leaving or not leavingand what it could have been or
what it is, and you know I thinkabout stuff like that every
time I watch Rock and RollCircus and I see them, I'm like
wow, you know, like just wow.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And Tony also plays the flute, so fortunately they
already had a flautist in IanAnderson and Jethro Tull.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
See, tony used to do a flute solo in the early
Sabbath tours.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Ah, Wow, thanks, there you go.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So what are some of your favorite Black Sabbath
songs?
And on the same album is a songcalled Fluff, which is an
instrumental and Tony playsharpsichord and his piano and
you know beautiful guitar workon it and as a songwriter that
affected me as a young musician.
You could have this epic rockerlike Sabbath's Bloody Sabbath
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and then have this beautifulsong.
I think Tony used Fluff to walkdown the aisle at his wedding
oh wow.
So I just love yeah, I justlove that about music that you
know, back in the day you couldhave this, whether it's, you
know, zeppelin IV, you couldhave Stairway to Heaven and
Black Dog on the same album andeverything in between.
So you know I love writingwithout borders, right, and
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without parameters on itAbsolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Understood.
So for me, some of my favoritesongs I like NIB and I like
Changes and I know a lot ofpeople don't like Changes but I
really like that song.
I think that's one of thosesongs that comes from the heart.
He's singing it and you cankind of feel what it is that
he's singing.
You can feel those words andfor us we talk about music's not
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a competition, because I thinkpeople always want to pick out
the hot songs, the hits andstuff, and I stand by those
songs.
Those really are probably mytwo favorite songs by Black
Sabbath Awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yes, did you like Ozzy and Kelly's version remake
of Changes?
I thought they did a good jobon that.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, you know, I think that it's one of those
songs, that the words that, nomatter when it comes out and
that, no matter who's singing it, that you can feel some
connection to it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, that hits you right in the heart, I agree.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, it definitely does.
So I know that you had an albumthat came out last year.
I know that you had somedifferent people jam with you on
that album.
You want to talk a little bitabout that?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, through the music video business I ran into
a lot of great musicians andgoing back way before that, as a
kid, I remember looking atSteely Dan albums and seeing all
the different names of themusicians, the sidemen, so I was
always interested in the otherpeople that are up on the stage
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as well as the headliner thatare up on the stage as well as
the headliner, and over theyears, through my music video
connections and recording studioconnections, one in particular,
a local band called CrimsonCrowbar.
My friend, dave Shelton,introduced me just to so many
amazing musicians.
His partner in Crimson Crowbaris Frank Symes, who was the
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music director and keyboardistin the who.
He was the lead guitarist inRoger Daltrey, stevie Nicks'
band, don Henley's band and thena whole bunch of other folks
along those lines SteveDeStanislo of David Gilmour and
Don Felder of the Eagles just awhole variety of all those
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musicians.
All became available and youknow, once you have a
relationship with some of thoseguys, it opens the doors for
others.
So you know, having a guy who'son stage with the who every
night or on stage with GilmoreI've had Greg Camp of Smash
Mouth, john Avila, boingo Boingojust a ton of people that were.
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One of my favorites was PhilChen of Rod Stewart's band and
Jeff Beck.
Right, because those albumsmade such a.
That Jeff Beck Blow by Blowalbum made such an impact on me
as a musician and he brought thebass that he used on Blow by
Blow.
He also used it on Hot Legs forRod Stewart and the thing about
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Phil was he would preserve hisbasses and he only used them.
So the strings were 46 yearsold.
Wow.
He said how about I bring my?
I asked for a fretless bass andhe said how about I bring my
Blow by Blow bass right?
And he brings a bass.
It's signed by Jeff Beck and SirGeorge Martin of the Beatles,
the producer of the Beatles.
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He used that bass on Bob Marleyalbums.
He used it God, the list isendless that he used that
particular bass on and he was sokind that he sent me pictures
you know pictures with him andEddie Van Halen and Starfleet.
When he's the bass player onthat album with Brian May.
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He was also in the Doors, right.
So just endless.
You know I got to stand withhim and Robbie Krieger playing
Freeway Jam from Jeff Beck andRobbie Krieger was like, so
inspired, like he was having afan boy moment saying this is
Phil Chen.
He played on this song, freewayjam on the blow by a blow album
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, right.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So it's.
It's funny how, musicians asmusicians, we're all fans first,
and then musicians, um, andthen certainly what you and
Jimmy are doing with the podcast.
Uh, we're just fans of musicand musicians.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Oh yeah, definitely.
You know Jimmy's a musician,you know he played back in the
day in college with the Violetsand you know then he was in.
Space Giants and you know somelocal things that I've seen him
done recently and you know it'sa lot of fun being able to talk
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with him and get his perspectiveon things where I'm the fanboy
and you know talking about thedifferent things that I've liked
, and it's always cool to kindof get Jimmy's perspective on
different things.
So where can people find thatlast album that you had out last
year?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You know it's only on um, it's, uh, only on YouTube.
Okay, it's called.
We Got this right and I couldsend a link and you can pass it
on to anyone that's interestedin giving a listen.
So yeah, it's just a wonderfulexperience to be able to write
and then record with so manygreat musicians, whether they're
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local people or playing withthe Black Crows and Jimmy Page
and all those guys.
It's just a great experienceall around.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, it definitely sounds like it, so will you be
streaming back to the beginningand watching it when it's on
July 5th?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
It's my friend who I met atRock and Roll Fantasy Camp.
Tony Tominski's 50th birthdayand he's staying above the
Rainbow Bar and Grill, alegendary place on the Sunset
Strip.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And streaming.
He's going to be streaming thatthe whole weekend, so we can't
wait to watch that.
We're just so looking forwardto Bill, Tony, Geezer and Ozzy
just having that moment tofinally be together at the final
moments of all of that.
It's going to be awesome.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I'm looking forward to it as well.
So I think, matt, you know I'veseen you a few times.
You know we've flown in both toLevittown at different times,
but I think I saw you inCalifornia, probably like 2008.
And I went and I think it wasyou and a guy, tommy McElhost,
that were jamming, and then abunch of people flew in from
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Levittown and I felt like therewas more people from Levittown
in that one place than you knowit was crazy and I remember this
big piano that was there, thatit seemed like it took like 17
people to move that thing.
It was this big thingno-transcript.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I actually have it on .
I have a DVD of it and Ihappened to see it yesterday to
see when it was, and one of themusicians is visiting me right
now from Levittown, who playedthat night along with Rob
Lombardi and Rob Fitzpatrick andTom McLaughlin, host of
Levittown.
Dan Allen is the bass playerfrom Levittown and he's visiting
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California right now andstaying with me.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
There you go.
It just kind of shows you, youknow, that the world is much
smaller than we think.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Hey so I.
Music is a common bond andkeeps us all together all these
years.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yes, it really is.
I mean, without a doubt, and Ienjoy, you know, looking at your
social media and the picturesthat you put up with.
You know really everybody,whether or not be the guys from
Black Sabbath, I think you knowRusty from Paul McCartney's band
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just a hundred different peopleand it's just fun to look at
all that stuff.
I love that stuff.
That is what I'm all about.
I really really do appreciateyou coming on and sharing a
little bit about yourexperiences playing with
different members of the bandand obviously a lot more members
of the band than I even knewabout.
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It's really cool to hear yourstory and you know we love
stories, right, jimmy?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh yeah, this has been amazing.
Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
My pleasure.
Thank you, guys, it's you knowwe have the same enthusiasm,
right.
So when I listened to yourpodcast, I was like you know, I
could sit in and enjoy thisconversation and all the time I
could do this every day with myfriends.
We talk music all the time.
We're the biggest, I'll say,music fanboys or nerds.
(26:39):
You know, my friend's wifecalls us music nerds.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Right, I understand.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Guilty as charged.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, I definitely understand.
Yeah, I do appreciate youcoming on making the time to
join us here on Music In myShoes and we wish you the best
of luck to continue jamming outwith some of your idols and keep
us informed on it.
It's been a surreal life.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I can tell you that, yes, I have to pinch myself.
You know, it's just surreal tobe in those situations.
They just keep happening.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, you know, matt, seriously, I think we're in Mr
Reynolds' class.
And if you told me then becauseI was just trying to figure out
how to play Stray Cat Strut andI couldn't figure it out but if
you had told me then that in2025, because I think that was
about 1982 or so if you told methat you would have jammed with
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all these musicians and I'd behosting a podcast, I would have
said you're crazy.
So that's all.
I'll leave it at.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, so thank you very much for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
All right, thank you, matt, take care, thanks Matt,
take care, thanks Matt.
That was a lot of fun, jimmy.
I really enjoyed talking toMatt.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, really cool.
So with it being episode 85, Ithought we'd keep up with the
theme from past episodes, suchas 75 and 80, and look back at
some of the songs from BillboardHot 100 on July 13th 1985.
Going to get into it reallyquick At number 91, a song we
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spoke about recently, take On Meby A-Ha debuted on the chart.
Number 87, dire Straits Moneyfor Nothing debuted on the chart
as well, eventually peaked atnumber one on September 21st
1985.
And you know, it starts offwith the I want my MTV.
(28:44):
If you remember the commercialswhen MTV first started airing,
they would have the police andother bands, I think Pat Benatar
.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Billy Idol.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Billy Idol and it would say I want my MTV, and
that was an inspiration for thebeginning of it.
And he got Sting to say I wantmy MTV.
But he had him singing it tothe song Don't Stand so Close to
Me, right, which ended upmaking Sting get a a writing
credit.
And you know his publisher'smaking a lot of money off of the
(29:17):
song mhm.
So as he should, yeah, thereyou go.
There you go.
Ha, now look at them, yo-yos.
That's the way you do it.
You play the guitar on MTV.
That ain't working.
That's the way you do it.
Money for nothing and yourchicks for free.
I have to be honest with you.
(29:37):
I always thought it was checks.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, yeah, okay, that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So do you know the story behind the song?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So singer-guitarist Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
was in an appliance store in NewYork City and a guy who worked
in the store was kind of givinghis commentary to another guy
about these videos, because inthe back of the store you're
going to a client's store or anybig box and they have all the
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TVs and they're showing the samething and he's saying all these
lines that ain't working is oneof them.
And Mark Knopfler goes to thecashier or something and is like
hey, do you have a pen andpaper?
And he starts writing downthese different things that this
guy is saying.
And we got to install microwaveovens, custom kitchen
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deliveries, We've got to movethese refrigerators, We've got
to move these color TVs.
At the time when the song cameout, what does this have to do
with anything?
And it's not until I understoodthe whole meaning behind it
that it makes sense.
Like it was crazy.
Yeah, you know, we got toinstall microwave ovens.
(31:00):
Why is that in a song For direstraits?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think I heard about it back then.
It was like, yeah, it's justabout this blue collar guy
that's, you know, working aregular job.
It's looking at the guys on MTVsaying, hey, they got it easy.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, you know, the rest is history.
The video is pretty cool.
Also.
Let's move on to number 79,simple Minds.
Don't you Forget About Me.
Number 71, rat Lay it Down.
I'm not a big Rat fan, but I dolike this song.
It's a cool song to listen to.
I know you don't like that kindof music at all, jimmy.
(31:37):
That's not your thing.
No, that's all right.
Music is not a competition, itisn't no.
Number 54, if you didn't likethat song, I'm sure you're not
going to like this one.
I Wonder If I Take you Home byLisa Lisa and Cult Jam with Full
Force.
I don't know why, but I reallylike that song.
It's not my cup of tea.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I can't even picture what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I really liked it.
It was just this pop song.
You know, organized pop is whatI call it.
You know, when somebody putssomething together and you know
it's all pretty in a packagetype of thing, yeah.
Number 49, john Fogerty'sCenterfield.
Number 47, weird Al Yankovicwith Like a Surgeon oh my God,
(32:23):
yes.
Yankovic with Like a Surgeon ohmy God, yes.
Number 38, brian Adams Summerof 69, which peaked at number
five on August 31st.
Number 37, in my House by theMary Jane Girls and they were
protégés of Super Freak himself.
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Rick James, another not my kindof music, but I really like
this song.
I put it on the other day.
Let me listen to it.
I'm like, yeah, I still like it.
You know which song is this?
This is In my House.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Oh, is that the one that says in my house?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
That's it.
Okay, you know what?
You had 100% chance of gettingthat right.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, you know, it could have been our house.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
No, no, no In my house that was good though.
Number 34, katrina and theWaves Walking on Sunshine.
Number 29 on the Billboard Hot100 for July 13th 1985, the
Power of Love by Huey Lewis andthe News.
It peaked at number one onAugust 24th.
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Number 26, dead or Alive.
With one of my favorite 80s popsongs, you Spin Me Round like a
record peaking at number 11 onAugust 17th.
And my favorite version becausethey put a bunch out out like
they did a lot in the 80s, theywould always put out remixes and
extended is the eight minutemurder mix.
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It's the version that I likethe best.
I really do so.
Do you like that song at all,jimmy?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
yeah, it's fun.
You know, whatever I mean, Idon't like any of these songs
very much.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
That's not surprising .
Music's not a competition.
I was in the 10th grade.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It was supposed to be like people that were in the
10th grade in 1955, they gotcigarettes signed by Bill Haley.
You know what I mean.
Like I was supposed to likeeverything that was on the radio
and it all sucked.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Wow, wow, wow Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So that's how I feel about these charts.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
So you know I'm a little bit older.
I was hanging out at the clubsand you know dance songs and
going and dancing and the wholenine yards.
I really like that song.
So it's a different point ofview.
Number 25 Everybody Wants toRule the World by Tears for
Fears.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
That's a pretty good song.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Number 24 Howard Jones, with Things Can Only Get
Better.
Okay, I like that song you do.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, you know Howard Jones.
I don't know as far as like theBrit pop at that time, like
Howard Jones was doing somethingright.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I like his hair.
He doesn't have it anymore, butI liked it back then.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, I bet he liked it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm sure he did.
Number 22, depeche Mode withPeople Are People which I've
mentioned before.
They don't particularly likethe song but it really got them
well-known.
It was a big hit for them.
Number 18, the Power Stationwith Get it On Bang A Gong.
That Number 18, the PowerStation with Get it On Bang A
Gong.
That was what T-Rex originallythat did.
That.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So good song.
I really liked it when T-Rexdid it, a lot more than I liked
it when the Power Station did it.
Exactly.
Number 14, tears For Fears withShout.
Number 11, sting If you LoveSomebody, set them Free, which
peaked at number three on August3rd, and now we're going to get
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into the top 10.
This is the most songs thatwe've done when we've done the
little countdown here.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
All these songs are suddenly reminding me of when I
bagged groceries at Kroger,because I did that in the 10th
grade in 1985.
So Money for Nothing and thatSting song and everything my
life's flashing before my eyes.
I didn't like it, but it was onthe radio, so I remember the
job I had.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
There you go.
That's what music does itbrings back memories.
Unfortunately, it doesn't onlybring back good memories, it
brings back all memories.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, at least for me , money for Nothing.
I remember cleaning thebathrooms and and listening to
that song.
You know I don't like cleaninga grocery store bathroom, but I
had to do it, somebody had to doit I bet not, I mean I bet
those guys on mtv didn't have todo that.
No, and they got that checksfor free.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah I mean they're chicks for free.
See, I keep saying it, I keepstill I think checks for free
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Like Chex Mix or like a.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
No, like they're checks I'm kidding, you know
seriously like they're playingand then they can do anything
and then they just got a checkwritten out to them.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
That does make sense.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Number 10.
Recently we mentioned theGoonies Are Good Enough by Cyndi
Lauper.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh my God, that song's awful.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
It is.
It's good enough for the movie,but it's not good enough to be
number 10 on the Billboard Hot100.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And it was really there.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yes, wow, yeah, number nine Bruce Springsteen
Glory Days.
I like that song, you know.
Yeah, like now you're kind ofthinking about your Glory Days
working at the supermarketcleaning up in the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's how bad everything else was on the radio
.
That Bruce Springsteen GloryDays was like yeah, that's a
rock song that I can like.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Again, ladies and gentlemen, music is not a
competition.
Number eight Voices Carry TillTuesday.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Okay, I have a funny story about that song.
I didn't know it was calledVoices Carry.
I thought they were saying it'sso scary.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's so scary.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Hush hush, keep it down.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I didn't think they said keep it down.
I thought they said EvenDowntown, it's so scary, just
move on.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Oh, my lord, one of the reasons Jimmy stayed out of
the city when he was younger.
Wow, that's good.
I like that Number seven.
You Give Good Love WhitneyHouston.
Number six Paul Young, everyTime you Go Away.
I like that Number seven.
You Give Good Love WhitneyHouston.
Number six Paul Young, everyTime you Go Away.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I like this song.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Now I do, and it's a Hall and Oates song.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, and I like it.
I really do.
I know it's all Kind of mushyand everything, but I do like it
.
So, number five, would I Lie Toyou?
Eurythmics?
Yeah, that's a song, everythingbut I do like it.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
So number five would I lie to you your rhythmics?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
yeah I'm not gonna lie to you, I didn't really like
it.
I mean, I didn't listen.
So before we get into the topfour, I wanted to talk about
these songs because you can'terase it.
It is what was the top 100,billboard Hot 100, july 13th
1985.
And we're taking a look back.
In 1980, there was a ton ofsongs where it was like, yeah,
(39:15):
man, this is super cool.
1975, there was a ton of songsthat this was super cool and, as
you could see, as time goes on,it's not as so super cool
anymore.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So I doubt 90s that cool either.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, I don't want to talk about that at this moment,
but I will say number four theSearch Is Over by Survivor.
Okay, I'm just letting you know.
I am reading the songs thatI've written down that are from
there.
I didn't really like that songeither.
Yeah, Number three Prince andthe Revolution with Raspberry
Beret.
I did like that song.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh, great song.
All right Reminds me of Krogertoo.
It reminds me of the deli, likebeing on break, see Money for
Nothing.
Reminds me of working.
But that song.
I'm on break.
I got like a 10-minute break,oh my lord, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Number two, susudio by Phil Collins, which, I have
to say, definitely ranks upthere in some of my least
favorite songs of all time.
I'm glad you said that Numberone song on Billboard Hot 100 on
July 13th 1985, duran Duran.
A View to a Kill.
May 13th 1985, duran Duran AView to a Kill, which was a WLIR
(40:29):
Scream of the Week the firstweek of May 1985, meeting you
with A View to a Kill,face-to-face, in secret places.
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I'd like to thank Matt Hughesfor all those wonderful stories
about Black Sabbath and membersthat he jammed with, jimmy
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Guthrie, show producer and ownerof Arcade 160 Studios located
right here in Atlanta, georgia,and Vic Thrill for our podcast
music.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Remember music is not acompetition and until then, live
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life and keep the music playing.
Thank you.
He's got the feeling in his toe-toe.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
He's got the feeling and it's out there growing.
Hey everybody, this is Jim Bogeand you're listening to Music
In my Shoes.
That was Vic Thrill kicking offepisode 85.
As always, I'm thrilled to behere with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
On July 5th 2025, black Sabbathand Ozzy Osbourne are playing
(00:54):
their final live show togetherin Birmingham, england, titled
Back to the Beginning Ozzy withBlack Sabbath, ozzy solo, as
well as performances fromMetallica, guns N' Roses, slayer
, tool, pantera, anthrax, tomMorello, billy Corgan and many,
(01:14):
many more.
So I thought it would be reallycool to have a guest on the
show that is jammed with twomembers of Black Sabbath drummer
Bill Ward and guitarist TonyIommi.
And, just like that, joining uson the phone from Seal Beach,
california, is Matt Hughes.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
(01:35):
My pleasure, jim.
Hi, jimmy.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Hey, matt, so glad you're joining us.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So, just to put it out there, I've known Matt since
elementary school, which is apretty long time, and we
actually took a guitar classtogether, matt, do you remember
in 10th grade?
I think it was Mr Reynolds thattaught the class.
Yes, I do podcast and I knowthat that you have, uh done well
(02:08):
.
You know playing the guitar,having fun with it and and play
with many different people.
So what are your early memoriesof listening to Black Sabbath
and Ozzy?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
um, I actually remember the first time I
listened to, um, a Black Sabbathalbum was that we sold our
souls for rock and roll, kind ofa greatest hits album.
So I literally remember beingin Levittown, new York and
listening to that album and theimpact of it, the real power
from hearing that catalog.
(02:34):
It was incredible.
And then with the Blizzard ofOz album, I bought the English
import of that English import ofthat.
So I had Blizzard a few monthsbefore it came out in America
and I got to see the Blizzard ofOz tour at the Palladium with
Randy Rhoads, rudy Sarzo andTommy Aldridge rounding out the
band.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
That's a pretty good thing.
Yeah, that is definitely prettycool.
So when you first heard BlackSabbath, was it from friends or
was it from a family member?
Where did you get to hear itfrom?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yes, it was one of my best friends, still to this day
.
Chris DePaulo loaned me thealbum we Sold Our Souls for Rock
and Roll and from there I wentand bought the entire.
You know, using paper routemoney and washing dishes and all
the teenage money you can roundup.
But I wound up going back andbuying the entire catalog and
then following Ozzy's careerfrom the Blizzard all the way
(03:29):
through the current material.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, so it's kind of funny.
You talk about the paper route.
I had a paper route and CornCrib, the road that you grew up
on, actually was one of thestreets that I would do my
deliveries to and I have a lotof good memories.
The first time I heard theB-52s was actually on Corn Crib,
probably two-thirds of the waydown from your house, and I can
(03:53):
still remember to this day thewhole thing and how I got to
hear them was on corn crib as Iwas delivering the newspaper.
It was just, you know some,some good memories, uh, for me.
(04:16):
So you know, I remember back in1982, there was a school dance
at division Avenue, where wewent to high school, and that
happened to be the day thatRandy Rhodes was killed in the
plane crash.
And I remember talking with youyou know this is 43 years ago
and you know it definitely, youknow had an impact, you know, on
you and what do you think about, you know, ozzy, and before
with Randy Rhodes, and thenafter, and you know kind of the
(04:38):
way that that his career went.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Well, I love all of the incarnations of Ozzy's band.
He's always had the bestmusicians, whether it was in
Sabbath and then his solo career.
So Tommy Aldridge and RudySarzo were the bass and drummer
on the Blizzard tour and on theDiary of a Madman tour.
I saw both of those with RandyRhoads on guitar.
And then the next tour he addedCarmine Appese from New York on
(05:06):
drums and Jakey Lee on guitar,and we were seniors in high
school.
Jim and Richie Lurita took usbackstage at the Nassau Coliseum
.
He was one of the, he worked atthe concession stand and he
brought Kenny Mullen and Ibackstage.
So we got to spend, uh, thatafternoon with Jakey Lee,
(05:27):
chit-chatting with him.
We met the entire band.
We only got to say hello toOzzy and Sharon because they
were literally holding an infantbaby daughter Amy, at the time.
So it was really cool how, um,we got right in right away.
So seeing the Blizzard tour,then the Bark at the Moon tour,
and after Jakey Lee was ZachWild on guitar and just a
(05:53):
phenomenal musician from NewJersey, great singer, songwriter
and a crazy shredder on guitar.
He had Steve Vai on guitar andthe reason I mentioned that is
I've jammed with most of thosepeople.
So we'll get into that stuff.
But most of the people I justnamed I've played with.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's really cool.
That's so cool, and not as coolas the fact that, I remember,
the concession stand was run byHarry M Stevenson, if I'm not
mistaken.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yes, Harry M.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Stevens and Richie Laredo, who's no longer with us.
You know another guy that Iknew back from elementary school
and, you know, have some goodmemories with him.
That's really cool that he wasable to get you backstage for
all that.
So you know, let's get into itand let's talk about you playing
with.
I mean I wanted to talk aboutBill Ward and Tony Iommi.
(06:45):
I mean you feel free to talkabout them and some of the other
people.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Sure, Bill and I have been friends for over 20 years,
so that was very nice.
That when the way I got to play, I used to own a music video
soundstage and a recordingstudio, and I'm going to say
between up to 2013.
So Bill, who was already afriend, a new friend at that
(07:11):
time would actually come to mysoundstage and have his band,
the Bill Ward band, rehearsetheir material there.
So we were friendly way backwhen.
And then in 2015, Bill signedup to do a rock and roll fantasy
camp and that's really where Igot to jam with most of these
(07:32):
people, even though, through myrecording studio and my music
videography work through upuntil 2020, I had made all these
music connections and was ableto write and record and, uh,
with a lot of other people.
So in 2015, Bill Ward eventhough he was at my studio the
week of that and we had lunchtogether before that he was
(07:55):
doing a rock and roll fantasycamp.
So I paid the money I don't askfriends to jam or do anything
uh, that would infringe on ourfriendship and so he was doing
it.
It was open for the public andit was Bill Ward.
Michael Shanker, 38 Special andGlenn Hughes of Deep Purple
(08:17):
were the headliners, and RudySarzo, who's the bass player in
Ozzy, was also one of the rockand roll fantasy camp counselors
that time.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Wasn't he in Quiet Ryan?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
He was.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, he was in Quiet Ryan.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Come here with noise and all that Mm-hmm.
Yes, so Rudy was there as well.
So that weekend I got to playwith Bill and Rudy and then
later on I did three rock androll fantasy camps.
It's the greatest event.
I just can't say enough aboutit.
David Fischhoff is the producerof it and he is the person who
(08:55):
I'll say produced the first cameup with the idea for Ringo to
do the all-star band.
Ringo to do the all-star band,so that's where it originates
and getting all of those usingRingo's network and David's
network to get all those greatperformers over the last 30
years.
(09:15):
I know you just went to seeRingo and I saw him last year.
David started in music doingthat Ringo Starr all-star band
and the Monkees Reunion Tour inthe 80s and then developed Rock
and Roll Fantasy Camp.
So it's just through thatextraordinary life-changing camp
that you get to spend the wholeweekend with some of these,
(09:36):
with the counselors, who wereall rock stars, and then the
headliners, like Bill Ward.
Tony Iommi did the same thingtwo years later.
So I got to play with TonyIommi and Zach Wild of Ozzy's
band as well as Steve Vai, right.
So Steve Vai played on onealbum with Ozzy, right.
(09:57):
So the connection back toSabbath and Ozzy is really
amazing that you know five ofthose people I got to play with
through Rock and Roll FantasyCamp.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So what kind of music were you playing?
Were you playing Black Sabbathsongs?
Were you just playing, you know, regular songs that everybody
knows.
Can you go into that a littlebit?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Sure.
So Bill's preference was hewanted to play music that
inspired him, right.
So he didn't want to playSabbath songs.
So he had a list of songs thathe threw out to the Fantasy Camp
organization and we got to pickwhat we wanted to play.
There's actually a clip onYouTube of me and Lita Ford and
(10:41):
she was our camp counselor, andBill as the headliner playing
hey Joe from Jimi Hendrix.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That must have been really cool.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Just wondering, like what the typical person that
attends rock and roll fantasycamp?
Are they usually real,established musicians?
Are they usually middle-aged oryounger, or what are they like?
Speaker 1 (11:02):
It runs the gamut, right.
So they have some folks whonever played an instrument but
they get to sing backgroundvocals with their idols, right,
yeah.
And other people are shreddermusicians that are just
phenomenal and everywhere inbetween.
But they really go out of theirway to kind of place people
together and, you know, you gothrough a questionnaire of
(11:25):
abilities so they kind of canbalance things out.
And the counselors are realamazing.
They work with the folks toteach them the vocal line or
teach them a tambourine beat oryou know a cowbell or something,
so everyone gets to performwith them at the best of their
ability.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
That's fun.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And there's been some great ones, just some great
performers and great musiciansand great friends.
Some of my very, very bestfriends I made at Rock and Roll
Fantasy Camp.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Wow, that is pretty cool yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's crazy.
I'm going to go meet as soon asI'm done here.
I'm going to go meet them, andthey were from Cleveland and we
met at Fantasy Camp in 2015.
And 10 years later, we're bestfriends and they moved to
California.
So it's just.
I can't say enough of greatthings about it.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That's pretty cool.
So with Tony Iommi, when youjammed with him, what was he
looking to play at that time?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They had played the LA Forum the night before, so
Tony was in Los Angeles, thecamp was in Los Angeles, the
Bill Ward camp was in Las Vegasand Tony Was playing Sabbath
Song so he was good to go withPlaying that.
I played Into the Void off ofMasters of Reality Album.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Just what was wonderful about my Experience
was I had gone in in between,when we were setting up the
stage and preparing, I went upand put my guitar next to Tony's
stage gear right, so I wound upplaying right next to him.
And then, after Tony does hissolo, he just looks up and gives
me the nod for me to play right.
(13:09):
And it was just.
You know, I was only one of thecampers that got to do exchange
guitar solos and I wasn'tprepared.
I just had to improvise likemusicians do.
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
And I bet it was.
So what's that like for youbeing able to jam with them and,
you know, with Tony Iommi, notknowing that you're gonna, you
know, trade guitar solos?
I mean, being a fan for so longwhen you're in the moment.
Do you know?
Are you thinking about it or isit something that, like, after
it's over, you sit back and likethis is what I just did, um all
(13:44):
of the above right.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
So I did a little prep work.
Um I, I knew what I was goingto play for the song, but one of
the other band members wasdoing the lead guitar stuff.
So once Tony gave me the nod,it was just go right, and that's
surreal.
That's part of the event,though.
When you're playing with TonyIommi and Zach Wilde and Steve
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Vai and Warren Haynes, donFelder, they're looking, they're
musicians, they want you toplay.
It's not just you know, they'reengaging.
So he gave me the nod and Ijust went for it.
I'm not sure how good or bad itsounded, but I have it on video
and that you know it was reallyawesome.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
That's great.
I mean it sounds like it didn't, like it wasn't a disaster.
You know sometimes like you gofor a lead and it's like okay
that one didn't work out, but Imean it sounds like you did a
job that you're pretty proudenough of right.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, in the video I couldn't hear my.
His volume was louder, right,you know the full stack and all
of that.
He's trying to fit Laney.
He used Laney amplifiers and hehad like a full stack and we
were I was using a smaller amp,but it's just where the video
camera was, um.
So anyway, I'm sure what Iplayed was fine, I'm sure what
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he played was way better.
And then I asked him for theguitar pick.
So that was really cool.
So he just handed it to me andI kind of planned that in
advance, like I'm going to askfor that guitar pick.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That is kind of cool, you know, and the funny thing
is, and I don't know how manypeople know, but Tony Iommi was
in Jethro Tull for like a weekor something.
And actually was on the rock androll circus video when the
rolling stones did the rock androll circus, which is definitely
.
I listened to that a ton.
I love listening to it.
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I have it on my phone and toyou know, I don't know if it was
a week, but I don't think itwas more than two weeks and I'm
so glad he got out of jethrotull and that.
You know he became part ofBlack Sabbath and you know the
rest is history.
We know, you know everythingthat happened with them.
But you know sometimes, if youthink about it, about band
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members leaving or not leavingand what it could have been or
what it is, and you know I thinkabout stuff like that every
time I watch Rock and RollCircus and I see them, I'm like
wow, you know, like just wow.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And Tony also plays the flute, so fortunately they
already had a flautist in IanAnderson and Jethro Tull.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I did not know that.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
See, tony used to do a flute solo in the early
Sabbath tours.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Ah, Wow, thanks, there you go.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So what are some of your favorite Black Sabbath
songs?
And on the same album is a songcalled Fluff, which is an
instrumental and Tony playsharpsichord and his piano and
you know beautiful guitar workon it and as a songwriter that
affected me as a young musician.
You could have this epic rockerlike Sabbath's Bloody Sabbath
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and then have this beautifulsong.
I think Tony used Fluff to walkdown the aisle at his wedding
oh wow.
So I just love yeah, I justlove that about music that you
know, back in the day you couldhave this, whether it's, you
know, zeppelin IV, you couldhave Stairway to Heaven and
Black Dog on the same album andeverything in between.
So you know I love writingwithout borders, right, and
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without parameters on itAbsolutely.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Understood.
So for me, some of my favoritesongs I like NIB and I like
Changes and I know a lot ofpeople don't like Changes but I
really like that song.
I think that's one of thosesongs that comes from the heart.
He's singing it and you cankind of feel what it is that
he's singing.
You can feel those words andfor us we talk about music's not
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a competition, because I thinkpeople always want to pick out
the hot songs, the hits andstuff, and I stand by those
songs.
Those really are probably mytwo favorite songs by Black
Sabbath Awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yes, did you like Ozzy and Kelly's version remake
of Changes?
I thought they did a good jobon that.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, you know, I think that it's one of those
songs, that the words that, nomatter when it comes out and
that, no matter who's singing it, that you can feel some
connection to it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yes, that hits you right in the heart, I agree.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah, it definitely does.
So I know that you had an albumthat came out last year.
I know that you had somedifferent people jam with you on
that album.
You want to talk a little bitabout that?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, through the music video business I ran into
a lot of great musicians andgoing back way before that, as a
kid, I remember looking atSteely Dan albums and seeing all
the different names of themusicians, the sidemen, so I was
always interested in the otherpeople that are up on the stage
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as well as the headliner thatare up on the stage as well as
the headliner, and over theyears, through my music video
connections and recording studioconnections, one in particular,
a local band called CrimsonCrowbar.
My friend, dave Shelton,introduced me just to so many
amazing musicians.
His partner in Crimson Crowbaris Frank Symes, who was the
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music director and keyboardistin the who.
He was the lead guitarist inRoger Daltrey, stevie Nicks'
band, don Henley's band and thena whole bunch of other folks
along those lines SteveDeStanislo of David Gilmour and
Don Felder of the Eagles just awhole variety of all those
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musicians.
All became available and youknow, once you have a
relationship with some of thoseguys, it opens the doors for
others.
So you know, having a guy who'son stage with the who every
night or on stage with GilmoreI've had Greg Camp of Smash
Mouth, john Avila, boingo Boingojust a ton of people that were.
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One of my favorites was PhilChen of Rod Stewart's band and
Jeff Beck.
Right, because those albumsmade such a.
That Jeff Beck Blow by Blowalbum made such an impact on me
as a musician and he brought thebass that he used on Blow by
Blow.
He also used it on Hot Legs forRod Stewart and the thing about
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Phil was he would preserve hisbasses and he only used them.
So the strings were 46 yearsold.
Wow.
He said how about I bring my?
I asked for a fretless bass andhe said how about I bring my
Blow by Blow bass right?
And he brings a bass.
It's signed by Jeff Beck and SirGeorge Martin of the Beatles,
the producer of the Beatles.
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He used that bass on Bob Marleyalbums.
He used it God, the list isendless that he used that
particular bass on and he was sokind that he sent me pictures
you know pictures with him andEddie Van Halen and Starfleet.
When he's the bass player onthat album with Brian May.
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He was also in the Doors, right.
So just endless.
You know I got to stand withhim and Robbie Krieger playing
Freeway Jam from Jeff Beck andRobbie Krieger was like, so
inspired, like he was having afan boy moment saying this is
Phil Chen.
He played on this song, freewayjam on the blow by a blow album
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, right.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So it's.
It's funny how, musicians asmusicians, we're all fans first,
and then musicians, um, andthen certainly what you and
Jimmy are doing with the podcast.
Uh, we're just fans of musicand musicians.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Oh yeah, definitely.
You know Jimmy's a musician,you know he played back in the
day in college with the Violetsand you know then he was in.
Space Giants and you know somelocal things that I've seen him
done recently and you know it'sa lot of fun being able to talk
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with him and get his perspectiveon things where I'm the fanboy
and you know talking about thedifferent things that I've liked
, and it's always cool to kindof get Jimmy's perspective on
different things.
So where can people find thatlast album that you had out last
year?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You know it's only on um, it's, uh, only on YouTube.
Okay, it's called.
We Got this right and I couldsend a link and you can pass it
on to anyone that's interestedin giving a listen.
So yeah, it's just a wonderfulexperience to be able to write
and then record with so manygreat musicians, whether they're
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local people or playing withthe Black Crows and Jimmy Page
and all those guys.
It's just a great experienceall around.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Well, it definitely sounds like it, so will you be
streaming back to the beginningand watching it when it's on
July 5th?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
It's my friend who I met atRock and Roll Fantasy Camp.
Tony Tominski's 50th birthdayand he's staying above the
Rainbow Bar and Grill, alegendary place on the Sunset
Strip.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And streaming.
He's going to be streaming thatthe whole weekend, so we can't
wait to watch that.
We're just so looking forwardto Bill, Tony, Geezer and Ozzy
just having that moment tofinally be together at the final
moments of all of that.
It's going to be awesome.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I'm looking forward to it as well.
So I think, matt, you know I'veseen you a few times.
You know we've flown in both toLevittown at different times,
but I think I saw you inCalifornia, probably like 2008.
And I went and I think it wasyou and a guy, tommy McElhost,
that were jamming, and then abunch of people flew in from
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Levittown and I felt like therewas more people from Levittown
in that one place than you knowit was crazy and I remember this
big piano that was there, thatit seemed like it took like 17
people to move that thing.
It was this big thingno-transcript.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I actually have it on .
I have a DVD of it and Ihappened to see it yesterday to
see when it was, and one of themusicians is visiting me right
now from Levittown, who playedthat night along with Rob
Lombardi and Rob Fitzpatrick andTom McLaughlin, host of
Levittown.
Dan Allen is the bass playerfrom Levittown and he's visiting
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California right now andstaying with me.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
There you go.
It just kind of shows you, youknow, that the world is much
smaller than we think.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Hey so I.
Music is a common bond andkeeps us all together all these
years.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yes, it really is.
I mean, without a doubt, and Ienjoy, you know, looking at your
social media and the picturesthat you put up with.
You know really everybody,whether or not be the guys from
Black Sabbath, I think you knowRusty from Paul McCartney's band
(25:47):
just a hundred different peopleand it's just fun to look at
all that stuff.
I love that stuff.
That is what I'm all about.
I really really do appreciateyou coming on and sharing a
little bit about yourexperiences playing with
different members of the bandand obviously a lot more members
of the band than I even knewabout.
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It's really cool to hear yourstory and you know we love
stories, right, jimmy?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh yeah, this has been amazing.
Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
My pleasure.
Thank you, guys, it's you knowwe have the same enthusiasm,
right.
So when I listened to yourpodcast, I was like you know, I
could sit in and enjoy thisconversation and all the time I
could do this every day with myfriends.
We talk music all the time.
We're the biggest, I'll say,music fanboys or nerds.
(26:39):
You know, my friend's wifecalls us music nerds.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Right, I understand.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Guilty as charged.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yes, I definitely understand.
Yeah, I do appreciate youcoming on making the time to
join us here on Music In myShoes and we wish you the best
of luck to continue jamming outwith some of your idols and keep
us informed on it.
It's been a surreal life.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I can tell you that, yes, I have to pinch myself.
You know, it's just surreal tobe in those situations.
They just keep happening.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, you know, matt, seriously, I think we're in Mr
Reynolds' class.
And if you told me then becauseI was just trying to figure out
how to play Stray Cat Strut andI couldn't figure it out but if
you had told me then that in2025, because I think that was
about 1982 or so if you told methat you would have jammed with
(27:36):
all these musicians and I'd behosting a podcast, I would have
said you're crazy.
So that's all.
I'll leave it at.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, so thank you very much for having me.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
All right, thank you, matt, take care, thanks Matt,
take care, thanks Matt.
That was a lot of fun, jimmy.
I really enjoyed talking toMatt.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
So cool.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Yeah, really cool.
So with it being episode 85, Ithought we'd keep up with the
theme from past episodes, suchas 75 and 80, and look back at
some of the songs from BillboardHot 100 on July 13th 1985.
Going to get into it reallyquick At number 91, a song we
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spoke about recently, take On Meby A-Ha debuted on the chart.
Number 87, dire Straits Moneyfor Nothing debuted on the chart
as well, eventually peaked atnumber one on September 21st
1985.
And you know, it starts offwith the I want my MTV.
(28:44):
If you remember the commercialswhen MTV first started airing,
they would have the police andother bands, I think Pat Benatar
.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Billy Idol.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Billy Idol and it would say I want my MTV, and
that was an inspiration for thebeginning of it.
And he got Sting to say I wantmy MTV.
But he had him singing it tothe song Don't Stand so Close to
Me, right, which ended upmaking Sting get a a writing
credit.
And you know his publisher'smaking a lot of money off of the
(29:17):
song mhm.
So as he should, yeah, thereyou go.
There you go.
Ha, now look at them, yo-yos.
That's the way you do it.
You play the guitar on MTV.
That ain't working.
That's the way you do it.
Money for nothing and yourchicks for free.
I have to be honest with you.
(29:37):
I always thought it was checks.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, yeah, okay, that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
So do you know the story behind the song?
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So singer-guitarist Mark Knopfler of Dire Straits
was in an appliance store in NewYork City and a guy who worked
in the store was kind of givinghis commentary to another guy
about these videos, because inthe back of the store you're
going to a client's store or anybig box and they have all the
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TVs and they're showing the samething and he's saying all these
lines that ain't working is oneof them.
And Mark Knopfler goes to thecashier or something and is like
hey, do you have a pen andpaper?
And he starts writing downthese different things that this
guy is saying.
And we got to install microwaveovens, custom kitchen
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deliveries, We've got to movethese refrigerators, We've got
to move these color TVs.
At the time when the song cameout, what does this have to do
with anything?
And it's not until I understoodthe whole meaning behind it
that it makes sense.
Like it was crazy.
Yeah, you know, we got toinstall microwave ovens.
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Why is that in a song For direstraits?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I think I heard about it back then.
It was like, yeah, it's justabout this blue collar guy
that's, you know, working aregular job.
It's looking at the guys on MTVsaying, hey, they got it easy.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, you know, the rest is history.
The video is pretty cool.
Also.
Let's move on to number 79,simple Minds.
Don't you Forget About Me.
Number 71, rat Lay it Down.
I'm not a big Rat fan, but I dolike this song.
It's a cool song to listen to.
I know you don't like that kindof music at all, jimmy.
(31:37):
That's not your thing.
No, that's all right.
Music is not a competition, itisn't no.
Number 54, if you didn't likethat song, I'm sure you're not
going to like this one.
I Wonder If I Take you Home byLisa Lisa and Cult Jam with Full
Force.
I don't know why, but I reallylike that song.
It's not my cup of tea.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I can't even picture what it is.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
I really liked it.
It was just this pop song.
You know, organized pop is whatI call it.
You know, when somebody putssomething together and you know
it's all pretty in a packagetype of thing, yeah.
Number 49, john Fogerty'sCenterfield.
Number 47, weird Al Yankovicwith Like a Surgeon oh my God,
(32:23):
yes.
Yankovic with Like a Surgeon ohmy God, yes.
Number 38, brian Adams Summerof 69, which peaked at number
five on August 31st.
Number 37, in my House by theMary Jane Girls and they were
protégés of Super Freak himself.
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Rick James, another not my kindof music, but I really like
this song.
I put it on the other day.
Let me listen to it.
I'm like, yeah, I still like it.
You know which song is this?
This is In my House.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Oh, is that the one that says in my house?
Speaker 3 (33:03):
That's it.
Okay, you know what?
You had 100% chance of gettingthat right.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Well, you know, it could have been our house.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
No, no, no In my house that was good though.
Number 34, katrina and theWaves Walking on Sunshine.
Number 29 on the Billboard Hot100 for July 13th 1985, the
Power of Love by Huey Lewis andthe News.
It peaked at number one onAugust 24th.
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Number 26, dead or Alive.
With one of my favorite 80s popsongs, you Spin Me Round like a
record peaking at number 11 onAugust 17th.
And my favorite version becausethey put a bunch out out like
they did a lot in the 80s, theywould always put out remixes and
extended is the eight minutemurder mix.
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It's the version that I likethe best.
I really do so.
Do you like that song at all,jimmy?
Speaker 2 (34:03):
yeah, it's fun.
You know, whatever I mean, Idon't like any of these songs
very much.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
That's not surprising .
Music's not a competition.
I was in the 10th grade.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It was supposed to be like people that were in the
10th grade in 1955, they gotcigarettes signed by Bill Haley.
You know what I mean.
Like I was supposed to likeeverything that was on the radio
and it all sucked.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Wow, wow, wow Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
So that's how I feel about these charts.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
So you know I'm a little bit older.
I was hanging out at the clubsand you know dance songs and
going and dancing and the wholenine yards.
I really like that song.
So it's a different point ofview.
Number 25 Everybody Wants toRule the World by Tears for
Fears.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
That's a pretty good song.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Number 24 Howard Jones, with Things Can Only Get
Better.
Okay, I like that song you do.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, you know Howard Jones.
I don't know as far as like theBrit pop at that time, like
Howard Jones was doing somethingright.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I like his hair.
He doesn't have it anymore, butI liked it back then.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, I bet he liked it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
I'm sure he did.
Number 22, depeche Mode withPeople Are People which I've
mentioned before.
They don't particularly likethe song but it really got them
well-known.
It was a big hit for them.
Number 18, the Power Stationwith Get it On Bang A Gong.
That Number 18, the PowerStation with Get it On Bang A
Gong.
That was what T-Rex originallythat did.
That.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Right.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So good song.
I really liked it when T-Rexdid it, a lot more than I liked
it when the Power Station did it.
Exactly.
Number 14, tears For Fears withShout.
Number 11, sting If you LoveSomebody, set them Free, which
peaked at number three on August3rd, and now we're going to get
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into the top 10.
This is the most songs thatwe've done when we've done the
little countdown here.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
All these songs are suddenly reminding me of when I
bagged groceries at Kroger,because I did that in the 10th
grade in 1985.
So Money for Nothing and thatSting song and everything my
life's flashing before my eyes.
I didn't like it, but it was onthe radio, so I remember the
job I had.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
There you go.
That's what music does itbrings back memories.
Unfortunately, it doesn't onlybring back good memories, it
brings back all memories.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah, at least for me , money for Nothing.
I remember cleaning thebathrooms and and listening to
that song.
You know I don't like cleaninga grocery store bathroom, but I
had to do it, somebody had to doit I bet not, I mean I bet
those guys on mtv didn't have todo that.
No, and they got that checksfor free.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah I mean they're chicks for free.
See, I keep saying it, I keepstill I think checks for free
Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Like Chex Mix or like a.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
No, like they're checks I'm kidding, you know
seriously like they're playingand then they can do anything
and then they just got a checkwritten out to them.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
That does make sense.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Number 10.
Recently we mentioned theGoonies Are Good Enough by Cyndi
Lauper.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Oh my God, that song's awful.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
It is.
It's good enough for the movie,but it's not good enough to be
number 10 on the Billboard Hot100.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
And it was really there.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yes, wow, yeah, number nine Bruce Springsteen
Glory Days.
I like that song, you know.
Yeah, like now you're kind ofthinking about your Glory Days
working at the supermarketcleaning up in the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
That's how bad everything else was on the radio
.
That Bruce Springsteen GloryDays was like yeah, that's a
rock song that I can like.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Again, ladies and gentlemen, music is not a
competition.
Number eight Voices Carry TillTuesday.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Okay, I have a funny story about that song.
I didn't know it was calledVoices Carry.
I thought they were saying it'sso scary.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's so scary.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Hush hush, keep it down.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I didn't think they said keep it down.
I thought they said EvenDowntown, it's so scary, just
move on.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Oh, my lord, one of the reasons Jimmy stayed out of
the city when he was younger.
Wow, that's good.
I like that Number seven.
You Give Good Love WhitneyHouston.
Number six Paul Young, everyTime you Go Away.
I like that Number seven.
You Give Good Love WhitneyHouston.
Number six Paul Young, everyTime you Go Away.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
I like this song.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Now I do, and it's a Hall and Oates song.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, and I like it.
I really do.
I know it's all Kind of mushyand everything, but I do like it
.
So, number five, would I Lie Toyou?
Eurythmics?
Yeah, that's a song, everythingbut I do like it.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
So number five would I lie to you your rhythmics?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
yeah I'm not gonna lie to you, I didn't really like
it.
I mean, I didn't listen.
So before we get into the topfour, I wanted to talk about
these songs because you can'terase it.
It is what was the top 100,billboard Hot 100, july 13th
1985.
And we're taking a look back.
In 1980, there was a ton ofsongs where it was like, yeah,
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man, this is super cool.
1975, there was a ton of songsthat this was super cool and, as
you could see, as time goes on,it's not as so super cool
anymore.
Yep.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So I doubt 90s that cool either.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, I don't want to talk about that at this moment,
but I will say number four theSearch Is Over by Survivor.
Okay, I'm just letting you know.
I am reading the songs thatI've written down that are from
there.
I didn't really like that songeither.
Yeah, Number three Prince andthe Revolution with Raspberry
Beret.
I did like that song.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Oh, great song.
All right Reminds me of Krogertoo.
It reminds me of the deli, likebeing on break, see Money for
Nothing.
Reminds me of working.
But that song.
I'm on break.
I got like a 10-minute break,oh my lord, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Number two, susudio by Phil Collins, which, I have
to say, definitely ranks upthere in some of my least
favorite songs of all time.
I'm glad you said that Numberone song on Billboard Hot 100 on
July 13th 1985, duran Duran.
A View to a Kill.
May 13th 1985, duran Duran AView to a Kill, which was a WLIR
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Scream of the Week the firstweek of May 1985, meeting you
with A View to a Kill,face-to-face, in secret places.
Feel the chill, ooh.
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I'd like to thank Matt Hughesfor all those wonderful stories
about Black Sabbath and membersthat he jammed with, jimmy
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right here in Atlanta, georgia,and Vic Thrill for our podcast
music.
This is Jim Boge, and I hopeyou learned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Remember music is not acompetition and until then, live
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life and keep the music playing.
Thank you.
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