Kevn Kinney and Anna Jensen: Her Living Tribute to the Art of His Sound E105

What if a tribute didn’t wait for the final chapter? We sit down with artist-producer Anna Jensen and songwriter Kevn Kinney to unpack Let’s Go Dancing, a 100-song, multi-year celebration that reimagines Kevn’s catalog—solo and with Drivin N Cryin—while pairing each release with original artwork. Born from a lockdown birthday idea, the project became a living archive where legends, locals, and rising voices reinterpret songs and, in the process, open new doors for listeners to discover bands they might have missed.

Anna pulls back the curtain on the unglamorous work: thousands of emails, clearances, timelines, and a painting cadence that often demands a finished piece in a week or two. She explains how lyric imagery sparked four anchor albums and how curating rather than assigning songs led to better fits and braver performances. Kevn talks about hearing his work return in new shapes and why those covers have made him more flexible in the studio.

If you love discovery, backstories, and art that meets music at full speed, this one’s for you. Follow the series via Tasty Goody Records, queue up the Let’s Go Dancing playlist, and tell us the cover that surprised you most. If the conversation moves you, share it with a friend and leave a quick review—it helps others find the music and the makers behind it.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
This is Kevin Kinney from Drive and Crying and Anna
Jensen, artist and producer ofthe Let's Go Dancing
compilation.

SPEAKER_06 (00:06):
And you are here listening to music in my shoes.

SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
As always, I'm thrilled to be here with you.
Let's learn something new orremember something old.
Jimmy, I'm excited because theday of the release of this
episode, November 16th, 2025,happens to be my birthday.
Yay! Yes, so this is kind oflike my birthday episode, we'll
call it.
For sure.

(01:12):
And usually I'm not into that.
And I know some peoplecelebrate, you know, birthday
week, birthday month, andeverything.
But I'm going to make a big dealout of it because we have very
special guests with us today.
Yes, we do.
We have with us Kevin Kinney ofDriving and Crying and Anna
Jensen.

(01:32):
Yes, the artist.
I know you know who I'm talkingabout.
And we are going to talk about aproject that Anna has been
working on for Kevin,celebrating all of his music
that he's done solo as well aswhat he's done with Driving and
Crying.
And I think it's a fantasticthing.
Welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
Thank you.
It's fantastic to be here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:54):
It's always nice being had.
So, Anna, enough with Kevin herefor a second.
Let's talk about let's godancing, how it started, and
what made you take somethingthat seems like an idea that's a
good idea and hard to do andrealize it's a lot harder to do,

(02:18):
but it is so cool that you'vedone it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:21):
Well, let's see.
It started as a 60th birthday uhcelebration for Kevin because
that happened during the likeprime time COVID lockdown
situation.
So leading up to before we knewthat the world was gonna shut
down, we uh were gonna dosomething maybe at the Fox
Theater or something reallyspecial for a 60th that would

(02:42):
involve friends coming andperforming similar to Colonel
Bruce's 70th, but hopefullywithout the tragic, you know
don't want the same ending.
Yeah.
But you know, people do say thathe couldn't have chosen a better
departure.
True, you know, but it's hard tosay that, you know, with it
being such a loss.
And Kevin and and him were veryclose.
But something like that, youknow, was obviously not going to

(03:05):
be possible anymore.
And so around that time, Kevinwas invited to do a song
covering uh New York dolls, Ibelieve.
Uh Sylvain Sylvain uh hadrecently passed, and so uh Kevin
did Frenchette with Aaron LeeTajan and uh am I rem I don't

(03:26):
know if you're familiar withthat those songs, but I I think
I'm remembering that correctly.
Um but yeah, they did a reallycool version of the song, and I
thought, what a shame it is thatyou know these tributes are
almost always done when peoplehave departed and they're not
there to in you know in in lifeto see the the outpouring of

(03:46):
love and admiration, and so itjust dawned on me that this
would be a great chance to dosomething like that for Kevin
while he is, you know, around towitness it.
So great, such a good idea.
Yeah, and I just kind of tookthe ball and r you know ran with
it and I joke that but it's truethat on our ride home from that
recording of that song that hedid um in Nashville, I remember

(04:09):
he went into a gr gas stationand he left his phone and I just
uh did my first little sneakingpeek into his contacts and uh
took some screenshots, took someshots of who I should start with
first, like people like AudleyFreed and uh just you know,
Edwin McCain, maybe you know,some of his friends that I know

(04:32):
that that I knew would want todo something, um and uh that
would also so one thing justkind of led to another and I
knew it would be a lot of work,but I didn't know I didn't
really have a clue quite howmuch work it was gonna be.
So luckily I am self-employed umas an artist, so I could tailor
my schedule around thisendeavor.

(04:54):
But so first it was just acasual affair of just friends
sending in recordings if theyfelt comfortable covering a
portion or a full song ofKevin's or Driving and Crying.
Um, and then some people justsent video messages.
Uh but in the end, by the timeit was his birthday, March
twelfth, this was 2020.

(05:16):
Yeah, it was about three hoursworth of amazing covers like
Darius Rucker doing Lost andFound and So let me answer this.

SPEAKER_03 (05:24):
So, what's it like to be like, hey Darius, this is
Anna.
Can you do a song?
And and and all the otherpeople, what's it like?

SPEAKER_01 (05:31):
Aray of the Indigo Girls, and you know, it was
scary at first.
It was exciting and always justso um really beautiful when it
was a quick and enthusiastic yesfrom some of these people that
are, you know, world-renowned,just you know, household names
some of the time.
And then um sometimes I evenreached out to people that I

(05:52):
enjoy listening to, but that Ididn't know if they had any clue
of of Kevin at all.
And some of them, like the GreatLake swimmers, shovels and rope,
you know, and people that saidyes, and it just it was it has
been mind-blowing, and I thinkI'm I haven't quite had even had
the time to process just howmeaningful it all is.

(06:15):
And you know, to him, of course,but even to me, like some of
these are my musical andartistic heroes, like Kat Power.
She recorded her vocals and themusic is being finished, and
she's one of my favorite.
You know, I painted 10 yearslistening to her music, and of
course there were some peoplethat said no or couldn't or it
just could it couldn't happen,and there have been plenty of

(06:38):
like letdowns and some sadthings that couldn't be, but um
overall I've tried to just trustthat a lot of this is
preordained, although you know,I had to do the legwork, and I
probably sent thousands ofemails at this point just in
corresponding with all theseartists and their teams, and you
know, a lot of times there'll belabel things we have to work

(07:02):
out.
I have a great legal counselthat has um helped us out um on
this.
It's Matthew Wilson, I think Ican say, but he's with Arnold
Golden Gregory and Yeah, thankanybody you'd like to.
Yeah, I mean I've done a lot ofwork.
I'm probably doing 20 jobs.
One of my jobs is making the artfor every song.
So I didn't have a solid plangoing into this, but that casual

(07:24):
video led to uh peopleencouraging me to, you know,
make it into an officialcompilation.
And at that point we realizedthat artwork was gonna be
necessary because you know,albums need a cover and singles
need artwork, and they werelike, Well, you should do it.
So I just said yes.
And I yeah, at first when I cameup with the four record covers

(07:48):
for the the main albums, whichuh based on the Let's Go Dancing
song, so each the lyrics thathave a lot of imagery uh made it
perfect for this.
So one is uh split a mountain intwo with a flake of snow, one is
um stopped a freight train witha grain of sand, that'll be the
next upcoming one.
Um the first one was uh said thefireflight of the hurricane, and

(08:10):
then let's see, the third onewas said the falling rain to the
open flame.
So when I came up with thosecovers, I was so proud of myself
and thrilled, just becauseusually it takes me months or
even years to finish paintingsbecause I don't ever have a
plan.
I just kind of let it unfold andI I uh use a fair amount of

(08:31):
detail and stuff.
So anyway, I felt like I hadmade this grand accomplishment
just with those four, and then Irealized that you know it
morphed into this idea of medoing a painting for every
single and to get all 100singles out in you know, a
reasonable amount of time wouldmean they would need to come out
pretty quickly, like every weekor two.

(08:52):
And so it's been near nervousbreakdown.
Oh uh because I'm also havingto, you know, do all the
corresponding and the so there'sa lot of email and and uh red
tape and just uh it's prettymind-boggling the amount of work
that I've put into this.

SPEAKER_03 (09:09):
Yeah, but the amount of work that you've put in every
week, you know, on Facebook, I'mlooking at the post, you know,
and the watching, you know, dothe art and the time lapse with
it.
Yeah, it's just fantastic.
And I think that that's pulledme into it more than what I
probably like a normal, yeah.
Because it's like every week,you know, I know you got a

(09:32):
hundred songs, you need ahundred more.
I could go forever.
So do a hundred more, twohundred more.
I love watching it.
How long does it take you to dothe artwork for each one?

SPEAKER_01 (09:41):
I mean, often I'll only have a week or two, but if
I know of something coming upahead of time, you know, months
out, I might get started on one.
And um, but I definitely amcranking them out way quicker
than I am comfortable.
So I don't necessarily get themto a point of there where I
would consider them like done,done, but at the same time,

(10:02):
usually a week, a couple weeksafter the release, I'm like,
yeah, that that's fine.
I don't need to worry about itanymore.

SPEAKER_04 (10:09):
I I'll tell you, I was looking at the artwork
today, I didn't realize that youhad done all of them.
And I was like, the artwork forthese things is amazing.
It's like it that you know, youpull from the lyrics, like the
like the straight to hellcovers, the laundromat.

SPEAKER_01 (10:20):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (10:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:21):
So I I and sometimes I include the artists, um, not
always, but and the when I can,I'll use uh artwork that I
completed that's already a partof my catalog.
Um, that's always a great reliefto just have a breath, you know,
uh because a lot of them are dotake more than a week or two to
finish.

SPEAKER_03 (10:40):
So as an artist, you know, you kind of mentioned
sometimes you do it a little bitquicker.
So is that difficult because asan artist you work at a certain
pace or a certain vision andhowever long it's gonna take,
and now you have to I have thevision, but I gotta go quick
because I know there's thisbehind it and this behind it.
And I I guess that has to have asome sort of psychological

(11:02):
effect on you as well.

SPEAKER_01 (11:04):
Yeah, I think I'm somehow the perfect person for
this project, I feel like,because I've been through
experiences in life that I thinkhave provided me the ability to
just block some things out,block unpleasantness out.
Um so the pressure of knowingthat, you know, in some cases
millions of people are gonna seethis artwork and it's

(11:26):
representing, you know, amusical artist that I respect
and admire, and that there's acertain amount of like pressure,
you know, to not screw this upbecause Kevin's relationship
with these people is on theline.
And so yeah, there's a lot ofstressful things that I have to
just not pay attention to.
But luckily, I'm enjoying a lotof it.
It's kind of a neat challenge tomake these quicker.

(11:50):
The hardest part is coming upwith the idea sometimes, and
luckily Kevin has been helpfulwith that because he's a lot
quicker of just like throwingout imagery um that I wouldn't
have necessarily thought of.
Occasionally we butt heads aboutsome of this stuff because you
know he this is his materialthat we're honoring, but um so

(12:10):
he has ideas of what uh how itlooks in his head, and I'm not
really doing that.
I'm doing my own, you know,interpretation of this so
because he makes paintings aswell, so it would have been nice
to just use his or use anybodyelse's uh, but we decided that I
would do the artwork, and soI've sticking with it.
But yeah, it is scary.

(12:32):
I usually get excited about thestart of them, and then once
it's like three days until Ihave to turn it in and there's
like a lot of details to finish,then I s then I get like burnout
kicks in, and but that's when itbecomes a job.

SPEAKER_03 (12:49):
Yeah, the artwork though is fantastic, and I think
that really is a big part of it.
You know, like I said, forsomeone like myself, every week
I'm looking to see the videosand the time lapse, listen to
the song, and it's justsomething that I really look
forward to.
And I just think it's a reallycool concept.
I think that today there arethere's a million different

(13:11):
songs that are coming out,right?
And and all different, you know,bands and and artists.

SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
Yeah, it's overwhelming.

SPEAKER_03 (13:17):
And you have to have something that says, hey, listen
to me.
Right.
And I think that artwork and thewhole thing, how you kind of you
know put it out there that it'scoming out, and it just kind of
grabs you and and just like Isaid, each week it's something
that I look forward to.

SPEAKER_01 (13:35):
Well, that's great to hear.
Yeah, I do I do feel like thissets it apart from other
compilations, um, to have it bekind of a family affair and have
it be the art intertwined withthe the visual art, with the
musical art.
Um I think for better or worse,this is stayed under the radar
for the most part.
I don't think that'll be thecase forever, but um, and I

(13:57):
think it has served me in someways for it to be a little more
of a secret for and you're youknow, you're in one of the
insiders that you look forwardto it, but I think a lot of
people aren't aware that this iseven going on because I s I meet
people and hear from some ofKevin's friends in the music
industry that um are prettyplugged in and they're and it's

(14:17):
news to them, even though it'sbeen going on for several years
at this point.
But you know, I think that whenpeople do learn about it, the
art part is a part of theenjoyment and it'll be one of my
life's greatest achievements, Iwould say, you know, just to
have this body of work that's uhcelebrating my favorite person.
And you know, his his songsdeserve to be more appreciated

(14:43):
more widely, and um because he'salso a bit of a a little inside
scoop people who know of Kevinthink that he is like you know,
a generation a d a differentgeneration to Bob Dylan or Neil
Young or you know.
Um because he is.
Yeah.
I mean But there's so manypeople that don't know about

(15:05):
him, you know.
When he toured with the IndigoGirls a couple years ago, like a
lot of the audience were like,Who are you?
You're like Buddha.
And these are grown people thatjust never even heard of him,
even though they're in the samecircle.
He's been in the same circlewith the indigo girls since they
all were beginning.

SPEAKER_03 (15:24):
Yeah, I mean, I think the first time he was on,
he talked about being with themin New York and their car got
broken into or something if Iremember.

SPEAKER_01 (15:32):
Their trip to New York, yeah, inspired a song.
I think McDougal Blues orsomething.

SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
You know, I think you know, for me, this podcast
is something that will lastforever.

SPEAKER_01 (15:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:42):
So I can fully understand for you where it's a
much bigger thing, much broader,because it's songs that Kevin
wrote and artists that are doingit, that it it just must be the
coolest thing in the world.

SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
It really is.
I again I'm just not letting itsink in quite yet, but um I just
I would want to say though thatpeople like you that appreciate
art and music and speak outabout it are just as important
as us who make this stuff.
So I love art collectors andpeople like you, podcasters and

(16:17):
writers and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:19):
I can write a little bit, I'll try, I'll write
something.
Um you're writing with you'reyou know speaking, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (16:24):
You're a music lover.

SPEAKER_03 (16:25):
No, I am a music lover.
And I and you know, I mean, Ilove the story that I told when
Kevin was first on when I firstmoved to Atlanta 35 years ago.
And I said to people, hey, whatdo I do?
What's Atlantin?
What what what do you do?
And they're like, Have you heardof driving and crying?
Like that was like most people,that was the first thing.
And I was like, No, I haven't.
And I immediately was like,Well, I gotta listen to them

(16:48):
because everyone's telling me Ineed to.
And here we are, you know, 35years later, and Kevin's on the
show for the fourth time, andyou know, it's just it's just
crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (17:01):
And he said he brought Lenny Kay over here as
well.

SPEAKER_03 (17:03):
Lenny Kay, he said, Yeah, Lenny was fantastic.
Um, we were talking about thatearlier about we looked out the
door, and Kevin and Lenny Kayare just walking down the gravel
driveway, and you know, justregular people.
So let me ask you, you know,like I love the song Let Lenny
Be, and you have uh Fang ofGore.

SPEAKER_01 (17:21):
That was a huge get, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:23):
That it is fantastic.
And also, some people havewritten in that I use the word
fantastic too much.
People are now starting to countin every episode.
So that's fantastic that you dothat.
Just want to let you know.

SPEAKER_01 (17:36):
Kevin has gotten that comment about Groovy, and
then we named one of our dogsGroovy Gore.
Yes, they have to say it a lotnow.

SPEAKER_03 (17:44):
Yeah, well, I tried this straight away from saying
awesome.
So now I've gotten intoFantastic.
But so, you know, Fang of Gore,you know, obviously related to
Gang of Four.
How did that happen?
Because that's a an excellentsong.
They do a great job.
Great job.

SPEAKER_01 (18:02):
Oh well, I'm a f a Gang of Four fan.
Um, Kevin and I just saw theirlast their final tour.
They, you know, they were atvariety playoffs.
I actually ran into you guys.
Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 (18:12):
I had a beard then.
So you looking at me now, Idon't look as good as you look
more like the t-shirt.
I look like the t-shirt then.
Not I think I've seen yourecently at the Earl as well,
right?
No, I saw you at the minus fivebaseball project.

SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
Maybe it was the Oh the Earl.
I did see you at the Earl.
Yeah, yes.
We went to each other a lot whenDriving and Crime was practicing
their new album.

SPEAKER_03 (18:34):
Yes, yes.
So I guess it's a two-fold.
How did you get Gang of Four?
But then are there bands thatare part of this project that
you had no connection, you hadno number, that you just had to
call people to try and get theirinformation?

SPEAKER_01 (18:48):
Yeah, I've definitely um gotten good at
figuring out who's managing whoand you know how to it's not
always possible, but you know,just through Googling and such,
and Instagram has been helpfulsometimes.
But um, there's a a woman, afriend of Kevin's that's now a
friend of mine named ShellyColvin, who um is also a
musician, and she did a song onthe first record with Dylan

(19:11):
LeBlanc.
But she has a lot of friends andconnections in the music
industry, and she's beeninstrumental in this, and um
some other people that have beenhelpful.
So it's it's a it is a smallworld, as they say, and
especially in the musicbusiness, with you know, I think
in a a line of work like thiswhere money isn't really can't

(19:34):
always be the motivating factorbecause only a handful of are
actually making a decent livingdoing music anymore.
Um so it's more the the circusfolk vibe of it all where we
they all look out for each otherand so you know and also like
I've I've reached out tomanagement.
Sometimes it didn't work outwhere the artist was up for

(19:58):
doing a song, but the usuallythe management teams were are
all like we are huge driving andcrying fans and we you know I'm
Kevin's biggest fan, and so it'sbeen a pleasant surprise often
that that they have you knowappreciators throughout the the
music world, even if it theup-and-comers uh aren't
necessarily hip to them, but Ithink this hopefully will help

(20:21):
that.
So I've definitely been tryingto reach a wide audience a wide
you know breadth of artists asfar as age and genre and stuff
like that.

SPEAKER_03 (20:30):
So for me, I love Scarred But Smarter from T.
Hardy Morris.
Yeah.
And right after that came out,he played in Athens and at uh At
Fest.
And I went to the showspecifically because I didn't
really know anything about him,but I heard this song, I think
fantastic.

(20:51):
Friend of the show Canon playsum pedal steel on it.

SPEAKER_01 (20:55):
Yeah, right, and he plays with Sisto and other
people.
Yeah, um that is definitely partof the hope of this is to not
only celebrate Kevin, but to umshine a light on some of these
artists to like different fanbases, so that you know you can
learn of a new a new favoritefrom this that you wouldn't have

(21:15):
ever heard of before.
And that has been happening.
Up def there are people that arethat are following along, like
you are, that are collectingeach artist that has a a song on
this, then they'll go back andgo through that artist catalog
and get a signed copy.

SPEAKER_03 (21:30):
And yeah, and I have been doing that.
I mean, I think it's been reallycool, like I said, going to see
T.
Hardy Morris.
I mean, uh we went.
I went with Jimmy to Athfest andyou know, it was like he wanted
to see certain bands, and I waslike, I just want to see T.
Hardy Morris.
I don't care what else we do,but that's what I want to do.
You know, he was really goodtoo.
He was fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 (21:48):
And he's friends with David Barbie, and David
Barbie has been really helpfulwith this, with you know, um
they're mastering every songthere at Chase Park
transduction.
And I I didn't answer yourquestion, but the gang of four
is the the Hugo, the drummer,and one of the founding members
is a buddy of Kevin's.
I think Hugo might have workedin the music business in the

(22:10):
more like the behind the scenesfor a minute while while Tribe
and Crime was up and coming.
But so I I ran into Hugo at Ithink a Black Crows concert or
something when Tribe and Cryingwas opening for them.
So I somehow I don't evenremember how I got in touch with
them, but I knew that he lovedKevin, so um, and he said yes,

(22:31):
and then he got his daughter tosing and um brought in Gail um
from Belly and L7 to play bass.
And so it's like this new supergroup called Fang of Gore.
Um so that'll be on the nextrecord coming up that's gonna be
more harder rock.
And it's so nice with with Hugo,he's an example of when someone
like that who's so influentialand such a badass, but he's also

(22:55):
like just one of the sweetestpeople, just like Kevin and you
know, people, members of REM andtheir team have been a big part
of this, and it's just sorefreshing when people that are
you know that elevated actuallyare great, helpful, kind, sweet
people.
So that's been one of the thebest I that has to be.

SPEAKER_03 (23:18):
I think you know, if you're doing a project and you
expect certain people that aregonna be there and be part of
it, and you know, and obviouslyI'm sure that there's some
people that weren't, but thepeople that are knowing that
they are sweet and that they'rea part of it and doing what they
can and McDougal Blues, youknow, Scott Crumb.

(23:39):
Yeah, and with Peter Buck, andyou know, listen, that's just
fantastic, and it's it's likeyou know, it's gotta take you,
Kevin, back to, you know, whenyou originally recorded the song
and Peter Buck was was part ofit.

SPEAKER_06 (23:52):
Yeah, that was um I actually I think there's part of
me on that.
I think because I recorded thisuh thing called McDougal Blues
Revisited, where I added becauseI added a verse to McDougal
Blues uh on that, and I I addeda verse to Hey Landlord.
So I I did that at Scott McCoy'sbasement, and then I think they
might have used that as a alittle bit Yeah, they credited

(24:15):
him for playing guitar on it.
Just like the Indigo Girls orAmy put me my voice message to
Amy.
I wrote Amy a I I recorded thesong and then I put, you know, I
hope I can make it through this.
Sometimes it makes me cry when Igo through it because it's for
my dog and about dogs moving,whatever it is, you know, and
and she took a snippet of thatand put it on the on the on the

(24:37):
recording.
That's a real it's a real tearjerker movie.
She's like, yeah, so you canhear me come in that goes, I
don't know if I'll make itthrough this, I might start
crying.
Like it just but um yeah, themusic is uh like I have this
song called Dirty Angels, whichI don't know if it has but been
done yet.
Not yet, no.
But uh it's the first line isit's like a time machine.
I can go anywhere.

(24:57):
And that's the music is, youknow, and and it's you know,
it's a little why a lot of uskeep going, it's a little why a
lot of us quit, you know,because you know, I as I'm
getting older, I'm getting tiredof being the time machine a
little bit sometimes, you know,knowing that I have to do 45
minutes of my show this week.

(25:18):
And it's all flabby courageousSkyber Smarter, you know.
So it's a little bit I'm reallyglad other and has found other
people to carry the a torch andto reinvent a lot of these
songs.
It's really inspiring to me.
Because, you know, I was we werewatching this Nate Bargazzi on
on the show on l yesterday, thiscomedian.

(25:39):
And I love watching comediansand I love watching their
specials because it's all newand people expect it to be new,
and people go see a band andthey don't want it to be new.
People want to go back, theywant like you went and saw Gang
of Four, and it was great, andthe crowd goes crazy when they
play this song from the firstrecord, and they played the
whole first record for thattour.

(26:00):
And it's great.
But no one expects a comedian todo the same except outside of
Dice Clay, to do the same joke.
Like, do that do that joke aboutyour wife being late to the
airport again.
It's like it's not really, youknow what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 (26:16):
So you don't go to an art show and they just have
the same painting.
The same painting.

SPEAKER_06 (26:19):
It's like, oh, well, you know, unless you're going to
Steve Van Gogh and then you wantto see there's all sorts of
levels to the time machine, youknow.
But I'm enjoying, as much as I'msick of a lot of these songs,
you know, when I hear MikeFerris do Honeysuckle Blue, it's
so great.
And I hear, you know, ButchWalker sing Fly Me Courageous or
David Ryan Harris do a song thatI don't like, Good Day Everyday,

(26:43):
which I think is a corny song,and now I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (26:45):
It's so not corny, but it's so great.

SPEAKER_06 (26:48):
It's a great song.
I think it's a great song now.

SPEAKER_01 (26:51):
So now, yeah, some of these have changed his mind.

SPEAKER_06 (26:52):
Yeah, I've changed my mind a lot of times.

SPEAKER_01 (26:54):
Sometimes I'll get a song going and he's like, I
don't even remember that thatsong existed.

SPEAKER_03 (26:59):
So that's a good point.
So are the artists picking outsongs they want to do, or do you
say, hey, no one's done thissong?

SPEAKER_01 (27:07):
I've mostly curated, I'll have ideas based on
listening to the artists, andthen I'll think, oh, this would
be a really cool fit for them.
Um I don't assign the songs, butI'll usually kind of handpick uh
a small grouping for them tocheck out.
And or, you know, sometimes I'lllike suggest like I think I
suggested Lost and Found forDarius Rucker, and he liked that

(27:31):
idea and he ran with it.
And then um like Mike Mills, Ithought telling stories would be
a good fit for him, and heagreed, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
So and on that one, I think he plays every
instrument.

SPEAKER_01 (27:42):
Yes.
But some people they were theyknew what they wanted to do,
like Butch Walker wanted to doFleming Courageous, and he also
wanted to do Straight to Hellwith Elizabeth Cook.
Because usually there's not oneartist doing multiple songs
because he had Elizabeth onthat.
And Jeff Sullivan was JeffSullivan.

SPEAKER_06 (27:57):
The original drummer, so as a drummer, which
was a great cause because Jeffshowed up at my folk show.
I was doing I did this residencyat the East Nashville bowling
alley.
Uh, and and I was doing thisresidency, and uh and Jeff
showed up and I was like, heyJeff, what are you doing?
He goes, Oh, I'm recording intime because Anon.
Yeah, we'd be hungry.
And tell me these things.

(28:18):
Like a lot of people will callme and be like, you know, where
do I send where do I send thefile to?
And I'm like, I have no ideawhat you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 (28:24):
A lot of people think that Kevin is doing this.

SPEAKER_06 (28:26):
Yeah, I'm not doing any of that.
No, I have to like.
Yeah, so Jeff said, Yeah, wewould just record a fly me for
your record.
I was like, Oh, well, that'scool.
I did no idea.
And it was it was, yeah, so I'mreally uh honored.

SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
And but Kevin is sick of himself, as he likes to
say.
So a lot of times I have to nottell him anything just so I
don't irritate him by bringingup music in the house.

SPEAKER_06 (28:48):
Well, I think that one of the things, the things
that it makes it kind of weirdis that I'm writing new songs
for the driveway crime record,I'm writing new songs for my
neck next solo record, so I'mgoing this way.
And Anna's also going forward,but in a different lane where
it's my stuff, and so I'm kindof like she's like, and so I'm
I'm I'm I'm in it's it's reallyinspired this strange thing in

(29:10):
my brain now that I'm constantlyusing, especially now that I'm
making a new record, Drive andCrying record just got done with
Sadler Vaden.
Oh yeah, we just finished soit's coming out in the
springtime.

SPEAKER_04 (29:25):
I saw you guys with Sadler a few years ago at the
end.

SPEAKER_06 (29:28):
Amazing.
So there are things though wherehe'll be like where Tim too was
like questioning maybe like anarrangement, like maybe the
arrangement could be different,and I'm a lot more open minded
to it now because of the Let'sGo Dance and project, because
there are, like I say, good theeveryday.
There's a lot of good examplesof of things that I hear.

(29:52):
Um well, I'll I'll give you theprime example since we're here
right here in Atlanta.
I was in a limousine with theProducer Andy Johns, right?
And he was going to produce FlyMe Courageous.
And and uh we're I remember thisvery vividly.
We were in the back of the limoand we're talking about doing
the record, and he didn't do therecord, he he had a he bowed out

(30:15):
and he had to go to re he wentto rehab and met Eddie Van Halen
and then made 5150.
So we I lost on that.
But anyway, he was like saying,Um, I'm really excited about
this record.
I really love the song Let's GoDancin'.
That's the one.
And I was like, oh really?
So like I wasn't sure what hemeant by that, but I never got

(30:36):
to hear what he would have donewith it.
You know, I so I was like, it'salways kind of like, and then
you know, he's passed awaysince.
So it's you know, it's inspiredme to like when producers said
to me, I've been so madsometimes when Anton Fear would
push me so hard, or some otherpeople push me, like you're not

(30:56):
there's this song could bebetter.
It could be that it could gothis way, and I'm like, no, no,
that's not the way I wrote it.
And then and then I and then Inever really could wrap my head
around it because as asongwriter, you like this is the
way it is, this is the way itis.
And you can't really thinkoutside the box at that moment.
And so I've shut down a lot ofideas that I wish I would have
expounded on.

(31:18):
Because when I hear David RyanHarris do Good Day Everyday, I'm
like, oh my god, that would Iwonder if that's what they were
asking me.
Or when I hear uh Jimmy Johnsondo Let's Go Dance and or or um
Old Crown Medicine Show do uhAin't It Strange, and I mean
it's really inspiring to me tohear other versions of of things
that I did.

(31:38):
It's made me a better songwriterand it's made me more
producible, I think, as far asproducers go and things like
that.
You're welcome.

SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
Oh I think ain't it strange is a great song, but Ul
Crow Medicine show, they do agreat version.
I mean, it's really good, yes.

SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
You know, I yeah, I love Kevin's version of all
these songs.
I've no one's trying to topthem, you know.
It's more just like areimagining, is what is how we
call it.
But like there are some peopleout there, I can tell that some
driving and crime fans are notopen to this at all.
I thought they would be reallyexcited about it.
And it bar overall, it's beenlike they they like the way that

(32:18):
it's done originally, which Iagree with, but you know, it's
meant to celebrate and you knowbring more awareness.

SPEAKER_03 (32:27):
Hardest part is my favorite, yeah.
Yeah, I think if you you look atit, you talked before about a
lot of of tributes are done whensomeone's gone, and thank the
Lord Kevin's still here with us,and you know it's uh it's a
living tribute.
I think a lot of those areactually terrible.
And I think that what you'vedone here is put people who

(32:48):
really want to do it, because alot of these other ones, not at
it, not necessarily they reallywanted to do it.
Their label might have made themdo it depending on who put it
out, but this is somethingthat's that's really cool.
Now, I think that the KevinKinney or the driving and
crying, whichever particularsong it is, I think all those
are better, but I like a lot ofthese songs.

SPEAKER_00 (33:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (33:11):
And I'm open to listening to them, and I do.
I have a a ton on my phone thatI have, you know, saved and I
hit shuffle.

SPEAKER_01 (33:19):
Yeah, I'm a I'm a music snob myself, and I, you
know, I I'm pretty pi particularand picky, and I love to listen
to these records.
Like, um, I listen to anoverall.

SPEAKER_06 (33:29):
Well, I like the history too.
I think that just abouteveryone, when me and Anna are
gonna do a podcast when this isall done and over with, where we
go back and we revisit song bysong, what what how do I know
this guy?
Like, how do I know Hugo?
How do I know Reckless Eric?
How do I know little bits ofthings that the black crows?
Why did the black crows doacceleration?

(33:50):
It was like the first song theysaw us do in in at 688.
Oh and so like and they and theywere and also the story of how
they did it and how they weren'tgood they couldn't do it, and
then they did it, and it wasjust really good at like
persistent persistence.
She's got a velvet glove.

SPEAKER_01 (34:10):
I'm here to nag you again.
Right.
But I haven't pressured anyone.
Like if it's like if you likeyou said, these are people that
are doing this because they wantto, and because they love Kevin
and they love the material, andeveryone has just really risen
to the occasion and nobodyphoned it in.
It's all like really neat, youknow, fully committed,
interesting versions.

SPEAKER_06 (34:29):
Yes, and has also included a lot of local people.
And there's no stature of whowho's who gets to be.
This is not an elite thing.
This is everyone's welcome.
We you know, um, we've got somegreat Atlanta people, you know.
Uh the Starbar folks, AnnaKramer and Brian Malone and Um

(34:49):
and Das Kaiser and and my son'sbands, uh uh Dino's Boys.
Dino's Boys.
That song.

SPEAKER_03 (34:56):
That's a great favorite song.

SPEAKER_06 (34:59):
I was gonna Dino's Boys.
Yeah, yeah.
That's my second favorite song.
That's one of my favoriteAtlantic.

SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
Black Crows is my favorite song.
Dino's Boys.
I got to meet your son inChattanooga.
Right.
And I just think that song isabsolutely fantastic.
That might be, all right, I'mgonna say it here.
That might be the only song thatI think is better than your
version.

SPEAKER_04 (35:23):
That might be well, that's what we want our kids to
be, better than love that song.

SPEAKER_01 (35:27):
Yeah, there's these two girls' uh sisters that are
Atlanta-based as well.
The Brouwer sisters band, andthey're they're still in high
school.
Um, and they did um LeaderLeader of the Follow, and I
think a friend of ours said thatthat their version is better
than Driving Crying.
But again, I'm not never pickinga favorite, but that's another
song that I'd never play.

SPEAKER_06 (35:48):
I've never played it live.
The guy at Geffen really wantedme to record it, so we did it,
and then we never play it live,and then they play it.
I'm like, oh I might startplaying that one again.
Yeah, but there's a lot of thosetribute records by my friends,
and I never I think Peter Casedid one and I got on it.
But like, you know, if there's atribute to Todd Snyder, which is

(36:09):
he's one of my oldest friends,they but they probably won't ask
me uh if there's a Black Crowstribute.
They probably no one willprobably uh if outside the band.
You know, um Jesse Malin, Ididn't make the cut for that.
Nobody has really asked me.
They, you know, Jesse Malin dida great Jesse Malin did a great
version of Hey Landlord on this.
You do it.
But I'm just saying, I get by Iget I because my Q rating isn't

(36:31):
high enough that I get that Ialso I get loffed off a lot of
these things, these tributethings from my friends, you
know.
So it's if it's like so and I'mnot hurt by that because I don't
really like doing cover songs,so I'm okay with that.
So I'm really I'm not very goodat it.
I don't I can't wrap my handaround it.

(36:52):
But I love how Anna has includeda lot of people that you know
their cue rating, you don't knowwho they are.
A lot of these people, I don't Ieven I don't know who they are.
The girl that did um who didpassing through that's one of my
favorites.
Oh, Aaron Ray.
Aaron Ray.
Yeah, it's gorgeous.
I would have never found her.
So thank you again, Anna.

SPEAKER_04 (37:11):
But you know, the only time I remember you doing
covers personally was one timeat the Uptown Lounge in Athens,
you did a Ramon set.

SPEAKER_06 (37:19):
Maybe I don't remember that, but I probably
tried.
I saw you do the replacementsgave us a lot of false hope to
do half versions of mediocresongs.
You know, like you just abandonit halfway through.

SPEAKER_03 (37:33):
It's like, all right.
Yeah.
But I saw you do why don't we doit in the road?
You know, you've done that.
I did tag of it, but I don'tknow the whole song.
You did enough of it.
I don't think I and I've toldyou this before, I don't think
most people had any idea whatthe song was, who sang it.
I don't think they know it was aBeatles song or or anything, but
I thought it was great.
I enjoyed it.

(37:54):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 (37:54):
You're welcome.
If Paul McCartney wants me to doa Beatle tribute record, I will
try to fit it into my schedule,Paul.
Sir Paul.
That is awesome.
All right, we're returning toyour schedule program here.

SPEAKER_04 (38:06):
I'm wondering, is there anybody that just came out
of the woodwork that you didn'teven really know?
You know, that you oh my gosh,they know my music.

SPEAKER_01 (38:14):
I think Kevin had no knowledge of the Great Lake
swimmers, like I mentioned themearlier, their Canadian band,
and they did a knockout versionof Peacemaker, and then they
ended up playing at Eddie'sAttic not too long after that,
and we attended, and so they gotKevin got to meet the singer.
Um that was a really goodversion.
Aaron Ray was new to Kevin andkind of new to me at the time.

(38:36):
But this definitely has plungedme into the m the current music
world.
I definitely had some nearmisses, some people that are now
too big to say yes, that youknow were just like.

SPEAKER_06 (38:47):
Who is that band from Birmingham or Mobile?
You almost got them?

SPEAKER_00 (38:51):
The red claestrays are.

SPEAKER_01 (38:57):
They blew up right after I learned of them.
So I was late to the, you know,but there were people like MJ
Linderman, who's huge now, andthat, you know, their management
is fans of Driving and Crying.
And I think I was close topeople like Brandy Carlyle or
Nora Jones.
And, you know, some peoplewanted to do it, but it's just a
matter of time.
You know, uh what I've learnedthrough this is just how busy

(39:19):
musicians stay.
So it's hard to get in.

SPEAKER_06 (39:22):
And also sometimes I think what I'm amazed at is
sometimes the bigger the act,sometimes the more generous and
open they are to doing it.
You know, some of the hardestpeople have been my friends.
You know, like we should askservices.
Like, I've asked, and they theydon't want to do it, or they're
like, they don't, they don't,they can't think of it.

(39:44):
It's like, really?
It's like, yeah, uh, but youknow, I got um uh they'll be
like, oh wow, okay, that'sinteresting.
But yeah, I got uh old crowmedicine show.
We asked them and they did itand they sent it in.
It's like, oh yeah, oh really?

SPEAKER_04 (39:58):
Wow, yeah, that's because like your friends, they
have to face you, they have totalk to you about it.

SPEAKER_06 (40:03):
The other guys they send it in, they're like, This
isn't a test or anything likethat.
It's just interesting how it'sall unfolding.

SPEAKER_01 (40:10):
It's the people that are in charge of yeah, but it's
like sometimes the labels or themanagers that can sometimes be
overprotective, and I understandwhy they are, and they have to
be selective about what they getinvolved in.
And this is definitely an anunusual situation because I'm
not you know a trained producer.
I've proven myself over thecourse of time, but I feel like

(40:30):
you know it was helpful forpeople like Jason Isbull to be
on board from the beginning.
That definitely, you know, andTracy Thomas, his manager, um,
being supportive of it, itreally helped open doors to
other people.
So whenever I want to invitesomeone that might not be uh
familiar with Kevin or me, umjust for them to see that Jason

(40:51):
did that song is like a bigvouch for the the project.

SPEAKER_06 (40:56):
And I think that in my overview of the whole thing
is seeing it as uh a tribute orwhatever it was, it's actually a
tribute to to an undergroundunderdog band who's been around
40 years and has made uh has hadtwo very different careers,
Kevin Kenny and Drive andCrying, both of us living in you

(41:20):
know in the same universe.
But 40 years, there's a if yougo to Utah or Montana and say
Drive and Crying, nobody knowswho you're talking.
You're talking about a veryspecific subgenre of this kind
of secret band that has beenaround for 40 years.
I mean, they know who we are inAtlanta, but very there's not

(41:40):
we're not that well knownoutside of Atlanta and you know
around the world.
So we're kind of surprised atthe lack of like the Rolling
Stones and spin magazines andthings like that.
Like nobody's really kind ofbeen shocked at this project,
like, oh my god, this isamazing.

SPEAKER_01 (41:57):
Like I said, I think a lot of people are still not
aware of it.
Yeah, a lot of people aren'taware of it.
I've been too busy keeping upwith the artwork to like hunker
down on promotional.

SPEAKER_06 (42:05):
But it's a cool thing, man.
It's kind of groovy.
I mean, I don't I don't thinkit's groovy things.

SPEAKER_03 (42:09):
There you go.
It's groovy.
It's a groovy scene, man.
When you get a hundred songs,that's that's insane.
I mean, that's a lot of peoplethat want to be part of it.
And and I think that says a lot.
I think it says a lot about bothof you.
Yeah.
And and and as well as drivingand crying.
I I think it says a lot aboutall three entities that you know

(42:30):
you're reaching out and they'rewilling to do it because they
like Kevin and they like drivingand crying.
And it just is something that Iwish somebody would do half a
song for me.
Never mind a hundred songs.
I'll do half a song for you,Jim.
I'll do the other half.
Oh, well, I appreciate that.
But I think it says a lot aboutyou.
And you know, when I saw you atthe the baseball project minus

(42:54):
five show, you said to me, Hey,what guests do you have coming
up?
And one of them I mentioned wasJohnny Hickman of Cracker.
You said, Tell Johnny I saidhello.
So Johnny was on a coupleepisodes ago, and I said, To
Johnny, you know, you remind meof Kevin Kinney a lot.
Very personable, very into, youknow, the music, but the fans

(43:17):
and and everything.
And, you know, I saw him, hesaid to tell you hello.
And then Johnny's like, well,hey, you tell him hello.
And then by the end of the show,Johnny's like, I want to do an
episode.
It's me and Kevin Kinney are onmusic in my shoes.
And I'm like, it doesn't getbetter than that.
You know, now people are sayingwho they want on with him.
But I think you two are reallysimilar, so approachable.

(43:40):
And you know, I don't know ifthe word nice, but you are.
You're a nice guy.
I mean, I remember the firsttime I met you and asked you to
if you would come on the show,and I'm like, how do I get you
on thinking you're gonna send meto all these people?
You're like, uh, call me.
And I'm like, oh, okay, and howdo I do that?
Well, this is my phone number,and it's like so easy.

(44:01):
And you know, I think that thathas a lot to do with why there's
a hundred songs.
It's not just the music, it'snot just the words.
People like you, you know, youare light.

SPEAKER_06 (44:14):
Well, I think that 40 years ago, you know, even 45
years ago, when I worked forthis band called the Haskells,
there's a the bass player,Richard LeValier, was one of my
mentors, and Jerome also.
And they always took the highroad, you know, always to take
the high road, uh make make themusic a community.
Music should be a community.

(44:36):
You know, there's not oneupsmanship.
Everybody shares.
If the band next to you gets arecord deal, that's good.
You should congratulate them andbe happy for them.
And I've always been happy.
I'm a music lover.
It's the only reason I'm in thisthing is because I was a
reporter.
I I was a kid out of highschool, started underground
fanzine, turned it into anunderground newspaper, which is

(44:58):
still in published in Milwaukeecalled Shepherd Express.
Oh, cool.
I started this with my friendDave Lewison, and we had a thing
called Express, and I was amusic lover, and we started this
thing so we could get freerecords.
And so we said we sent our thingto Epic Records and all these
other companies and said, here'sour magazine, and they all sent

(45:19):
us free records.
Good news is we got tons of freerecords.
Bad news, 1978.
Hundreds of disco bad disco glowinches.
So the dictators was like one ofthe few things I got that was
listenable.
Um, but um, I'm a music fan, soI I think I've if I've
translated any good feelingtowards other musicians, it's

(45:40):
because I'm rooting for themconstantly.
We go when I go see a band andthere's no one watching in the
on the in the dance floor, Istand there in the front row,
old school punk rock.
I stand there and I'm in themiddle of the dance floor and
and I'm cheering them on andletting people know they should
come up too, or whatever, youknow.
I love musicians, I love music,I love the magic of the whole

(46:02):
situation and the roadies andall the all the things that make
the circus work, you know.
I still have grand delusionsthat of of what this can be.
So I guess I'm a nice person,but I'm also a huge music fan.
And so I think that most ofthese people will say, Kevin,
listen to my record.
Like I try to listen, I try towhen Collective Soul has a new

(46:25):
record out, I'll buy it.
I'll hear, oh, Collective Soulhas a new record out.
I'll buy it, I'll listen to it,and then I'll send them a text.
Listen to your record.
Great.
I love the third song.
Darius Record made a book, youknow.
I read it.
I was like, I loved your book,you know.
As I just, you know, I'vebecause I've sometimes when I go
to cities and I play and I'mlike, where are the musicians

(46:46):
that I used to know fromBirmingham and Chattanooga?
I love it if they do show up, amusician shows up, but it's not
very common, you know.
And I think we should all bethere to just support each other
as we move on through thisthing.
So I guess that might be theillusion that I'm a nice person.
He is a nice person.

SPEAKER_01 (47:08):
But I will say that yeah, that people Kevin is
something really special too.
It is he yes, he's a niceperson, and he's a fan of and
he's supported these all thesepeople, but they've also a lot
of these people they startedtheir career because of uh his
music in a to some degree.

(47:28):
So it's you know, it's acombination of things, but like
he is definitely deserves to berecognized way more than he is,
and um that's what I'm doing mylittle part to try to.

SPEAKER_06 (47:43):
I agree.
It's it's it's it isunbelievable what you've done.
And I've been told that bylawyers and managers and other
bandwidths, like, what is shedoing?

SPEAKER_01 (47:53):
It's not over yet.
I could totally screw it up.

SPEAKER_06 (47:55):
She has no idea what she's she has no idea what she's
like.
She will tell she will tell mewho she talks to on the phone,
and I'll be like, You talk toFrank Riley on the phone.
Well you God, Frank, you've gotto be a little bit more than
that.
There's been people along theway that I didn't realize how
important they were.

SPEAKER_03 (48:18):
But Anna figures away.
Anna has done her magic.
So we are fortunate enough thatyou have brought in some vinyl.
You brought in the first threeof the Let's Go Dancing and a
Kevin Kinney Think About It thatwe're gonna give away to a
listener.
And all you have to do is youcan either reach us on Facebook,

(48:39):
Instagram, you can hit us up atmusic in my shoes at gmail.com
and just say that you want it.
And then what we'll do is we'lltake everybody's uh name and
everyone that's interested,we'll throw it in a hat, we'll
pick it out, and then we will,you know, we will send it to you
wherever you located, whether itis the United States of America

(49:01):
or somewhere else in the world.
All right.
Jimmy, I hope you have that inthe budget.
Of course.
But I think that's really coolthat you brought this in and and
be able to give it out to peopleand let people hear some of the
songs that that we've heard andand grown to like, and hopefully
that you know, whenever you getsomething free, it's like, oh

(49:22):
yeah, I gotta listen to this, Igotta see what it's like, and
and you know, I think that willbe cool for someone out there.
So seriously, we're gonna dothis and we'll do this for
probably um today.
Uh I'd say let's by Decemberfirst.
If we can get everything in byDecember 1st, this way, you
know, if somebody wants to giveit out as a gift this holiday

(49:43):
season, you can do that.
Or if you want to get it as agift for yourself.
So again, you can reach us atFacebook, Instagram, or music in
my shoes at gmail.com.
So that's pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (49:56):
And that's the first three albums, and the fourth one
is coming out when?

SPEAKER_01 (50:00):
Soon as possible.
So I should have it intoproduction within the next week,
I hope, and then it usuallytakes a few months.
So the goal is to have a big artshow at the end, I should
mention, um, here in Atlanta, atleast, probably a couple other
cities as well.
But this place called Sun A T LS-U-N-A-T-L.
It's a huge art space um run byour neighbor actually.

(50:24):
And um you can find outeverything uh for as far as the
project goes at Tasty GoodyRecords uh on our Instagram and
Facebook.
Um and I have a website as well,tastygoody records.com.
So that's spelledT-A-S-T-Y-G-O-O-D-Y Records.

SPEAKER_06 (50:43):
And you can listen to all of all the songs that are
released.
Every week I add them to myLet's Go Dancing playlist on
Spotify.
And I have almost 400 likes sofar.

SPEAKER_01 (50:57):
Yeah, you have like you have like 80 followers.

SPEAKER_04 (51:01):
I was listening to it today.
I didn't realize that was yourplaylist.

SPEAKER_01 (51:03):
Yeah, I think there are a couple out there, but
Kevin started one.

SPEAKER_06 (51:06):
There's one, yeah.
I and as when it gets added, Iadd it to the to the list.
And so they're all all whateverhow many there are, all of them
except for Alejandro is onthere.

SPEAKER_01 (51:17):
Right, we weren't allowed to put that out as a
single yet.
But um, I know a lot of peopleunderstandably have issues with
Spotify, and we're working onhaving an iTunes one of this
playlist as well.
But you can also just uh if yougo to Tasty Goody Records um or
on the Instagram, Tasty GoodyRecords, I have a link that has
all the songs that have come outso far.

SPEAKER_06 (51:36):
Can can you buy all of these on iTunes?

SPEAKER_01 (51:39):
Yeah, everything should be available on iTunes
too, and everywhere else, likeSoundCloud, Bandcamp, you know.

SPEAKER_06 (51:45):
And also an interesting fun part of this
legally as or not legally, butwhatever, is that uh we we I'll
say we, but Anna, um the artistsown their their recordings.
So we're we don't own the rightsto the recordings.
So yeah, a lot of people thoughtthat we should, but Kevin

(52:07):
insisted that I yeah, I insistedthat like if if the new Sopranos
or something wants to pick upone of the songs from one of the
artists, they'll go through thatart.
The artist will license that tothem.
We would yeah, the artists willbenefit.
The artist will benefit fromlicensing or doing it.
If it gets on a Taco Bellcommercial.

(52:28):
Fair is nice.

SPEAKER_01 (52:29):
Yeah, we wanted everyone it to be a win-win-win,
as I've been saying.
Um and then we also are donatingall the proceeds from the
physical sales to four reallygreat charities, and that is
also information about that isavailable on the Tasty Goody
Records website.

SPEAKER_03 (52:45):
I was on that today.
Tasty Goody.

SPEAKER_01 (52:48):
It was a a restaurant in like a fast food
restaurant or something in LAthat I saw 20 years ago or maybe
a little less, but it was tastygoody, and I I jotted it down
thinking I would name it like adog.
Maybe I'd have a dog named TastyGoody.
But now you have a dog namedGroovy, so yeah.
And then when I was pouringthrough all my ideas of record,
because I had to start a recordlabel for this thing because um

(53:11):
compilations don't typically dogreat.
Um, so I was having troublefinding someone to put it out.
So in addition to everythingelse, I had to start uh um a
record label, and Kevin lovedthe vibe of Tasty Goody.
It sounded happy.
And Jeffrey uh Zimmer is a ahuge talk about music fans and
supporters he's helped make thispossible.

SPEAKER_06 (53:33):
Him and his wife's and they have they have put some
uh some of the APartraits 45sout, and their art collectors
and music fans down on mobilethat have been very helpful.

SPEAKER_01 (53:42):
Yeah, he started a more music fans.

SPEAKER_06 (53:44):
I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (53:45):
So it's been a small group effort.
I've definitely not done itcompletely alone.
So there have been a handful ofpeople that have made this
possible.
Yeah.
And that will all be in thethank you notes at the end of
the project.

SPEAKER_03 (53:56):
And that's a good thing.
I mean, you know, I thinkacknowledging the people,
knowing that it's not somethingthat you can do by yourself, and
I think people appreciateknowing that they were part of
something, especially somethinglike this.
Again, I think when you dosomething for someone when
they're still alive, you know,it means everything because

(54:18):
there's plenty of things, youknow, you go through overpasses
and and bridges and they'renamed after people, but the
people are gone by the time theydon't know that they were that
important that the captain andher memory overpass or whatever.
They, you know, they don't know.
And I think for Kevin, knowinghow much he's respected, how

(54:39):
much he's loved, and and notjust by you, but by so many
people, that's gotta be like thecoolest thing.

SPEAKER_01 (54:48):
I think he doesn't let it sink in too often either.
Like I said, that I've beenhaving the same issue.
But um occasionally he'll comehome from having driven around
listening to the CDs anddefinitely was moved by it.

SPEAKER_06 (55:02):
Yes, when I allow when I dive in, it's really
moving to me, you know.
I mean, some of these thingswhen I have time to really shed
myself of what my expectation ofit is, as knowing as as the guy
who sang it for years, like uhPatron Lady Beautiful by Future
Birds, you know.
I never I really listened to toit.

(55:22):
I was really moved by it.
And a lot of the stuff on thereis I'm just really moved by.
And yeah, I'm glad that Anna,you know, I was really moved
that she came up with this idea,you know.
But I I I validate it.
I I'm really a fan of it.
And uh, you know, and it's ourhouse is very busy.
But you know, I was I just thinkit's really, you know, you know,

(55:45):
I don't like I was saying to youwhen Lenny Kay was here, how
much I don't validate thingslike the Rock Roll Hall of Fame
or all that or the Lit RollingStone or uh, whatever the
dinosaurs of but I mean it'sjust like Paul Rogers.
It's like they couldn't have putBad Company in 15 years ago.
Right.
Like they put it they had to putMetallica in before Bad Company.

(56:06):
I mean, not that that they don'tall belong in there, but you
wait till they're the guy can'tfreaking get on stage.
I mean, can you not, you know, Imean you know, I you know,
that's a whole I'm just rantingnow, but this project has got a
similar thing for me, is thatlike Anna says, some of the
Drive and Crying fans aren'tembracing it as much as we all

(56:27):
thought they might just beexcited that somebody was paying
attention at all, you know.
But Drive and Crying hasdefinitely is an interesting
story to be written just as anarticle for something someday,
about how this band, thisalternative band wound up being
labeled as something, and thencan't once it got labeled as a

(56:51):
mainstream rock band for the onerecord that it was, has
tarnished the whole rest of ourcareer as f as far as mainstream
media goes, as far as the youknow, spin and rolling stone and
everybody, you know, we're notconsidered an who we are.
You know, I don't think we getour fair share.
I d I think we've been treatedunfairly, you know.

(57:14):
I think as far as the rock androll media goes, they put us in
a thing, and because we don'thave a public system, we don't
we don't put a bunch of moneyinto management, whatever it is,
I think that we've been kind oflost in the shuffle.
And so it's validating for ourfans, I guess, you know,
sometimes when people are like,well, well, they you know, like

(57:35):
if somebody mentions us on apodcast, like Bill Burr mentions
us on a podcast, my phone blewup.
It's like Bill Burr mentionedyou on a podcast.
You exist.
I was like, No, I exist anyway.
Yeah, I know.
I was like, that's great.
But you know what?
I guess I don't know what I'mtrying to I don't know if I'm
what I'm trying to say is comingacross as well.
No, no, I think it makes sense.

(57:56):
You know, this is uh they'refaulted for having you know a
bit one bad music video that Ifeel I feel bad that some of the
people that are on this maybewhen it's released, they don't
feel this huge bump in theircareer.
It's like, you know, well,welcome to my world.
Because, you know, like youknow, the people are like, well,
you've got you on we put you onthe vinyl on this, and then you
know, they're like, Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah.

(58:18):
I'm gonna be part of this thing,and then it's like, you know,
we're not gonna make you famous,right?
You know, you're part of it, andmaybe it when the box that comes
out, it'll be validated somehow.
But you haven't read about thisproject hardly anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 (58:31):
Yeah, I think that it'll it'll be be coming in
time, but yeah, I do you knowthe first singles we put out
that I put out was The ViolentThems, which were huge for me in
high school.
I love the Violent Thems, andthey have I think like three
million Spotify subscribers orsomething, just as an example,
and you know, whatever theirInstagram following is.

(58:52):
But I thought going in, I waslike, when that song comes out,
I'm gonna get like at least60,000 followers.
And you know, now we're in like85 songs later after them, and
with people like Jamie Johnson,who's a huge country star, and
Jerry Shrucker is a householdname and the Black Crows.
And my following on Instagramhas gone from 6,000 to like

(59:15):
6,100 over that entire time.
Wow.
And for every single post that Iput out, I'm listing myself as
the artist, which I didn't thinkto do at first, but Kevin was
like, no one knows that you'redoing this because you need to,
you know, mention that you'reinvolved.
So anyway, I thought surely withfrom three million I'd get like
at least a few thousand, butsome weeks my numbers would go

(59:37):
down.
So I I feel like the algorithmdoesn't like me or something,
but it is funny that we'll I'llthink this one's gonna be huge.
Like the future birds, they'rereally on fire now, and theirs
comes out and like it's justcrickets sometimes.
So I don't quite understand it,but I just am trusting that it's
part of what's best for theproject is that it's a slow
burn, and that way I can focuson just getting it.

(01:00:00):
Done without a meltdown, andthen it'll explode.

SPEAKER_06 (01:00:04):
The boxes should be called Welcome to Our World.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:10):
Welcome to Our World, the lackluster response
after lots of hard work.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:15):
Yeah, but I I think though, and correct me if I'm
wrong, you're doing it your way,you're in charge, and if someone
kind of puts something out thereand you're not really interested
in it, you just kind of mix itand you just move on.
That you know, having thecontrol and it's coming out your

(01:00:37):
way has to be a great feeling.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:40):
And that's what having someone supporting us
like uh Jeffrey Zimmer, youknow, because I had I had a
couple of opportunities to workwith someone that would front
financially, but they wanted toto make the call on like who the
artist would be.
And so, like Kevin was saying,with some of these more local
acts or people that are up andcoming that aren't a sure bet,

(01:01:02):
you know, they would have saidno to that.
And um they didn't want it to bea hundred songs, they wanted it
to be narrowed down to like onerecord's worth.
And I just there's so muchincredible material, I wasn't
willing to do that.
So yeah, for for better orworse, I'm glad that I did it my
way.
To quote one of Kevin's favoritesingers.

(01:01:23):
Did Frank Sancho write that?
No.

SPEAKER_06 (01:01:25):
I don't think so.
I think Williams wrote it maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:27):
Apparently he hated the song at first, and then it
became a signature song.
He's like, Yeah, I do like it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:32):
Was it Paul Anka?
I think so.
I think it was Paul Anka thatthat wrote.
I think it was a French songthat he kind of did the
translation to get it.
See Anna's now, oh, he is amusic fan because he knows this
stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:46):
So and you guys are wearing the same shoes, so oh,
I'm so glad.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:51):
I'm so glad you brought that up.
So Kevin and I talk about, hebrought shoes up the first time
he was here, and he was tellingme Kat Power, and he was telling
me Peter Buck, and you know, Isaw him at in Chattanooga, and
the stage was raised high, and Icould see Peter Buck's shoes,
and I'm looking at the shoes,I'm like, oh wow, look at his
shoes.
That's nice style.
So I went and saw Driving andCrying in Marietta, Georgia at

(01:02:15):
the Strand, uh-huh, and I happento get first row.
I'm first row center, andKevin's playing, and he doesn't
see, you know, he knows I'mthere.
I saw him before the show, buthe starts playing, and then all
of a sudden he just goes to dothis solo and he sees me.
And it's the first time I'veever seen him see me, and he

(01:02:36):
just starts smiling because hesees me, and I'm smiling because
I realize he's got the sameshoes on his duty.
And I just thought it was funnywith all the talk about the
shoes.
My podcasting shoes got reallybad.
They started to stink, uh-uh,and I had to get rid of them.
I had to get some new shoes.

SPEAKER_06 (01:02:53):
Well, I'm looking forward to transitioning into my
regular stage shoes eventually,someday.
But I've gone from my Sokanesefor my plantar freshitis to the
sketchers uh when I don't haveto walk the dogs slip-ons.
I thought these are so cool.
They look like shoes, butthey're slippers.
And uh and so I have I have goneon stage with them, which is

(01:03:18):
something I probably would havenever done in the 70s or in the
80s.
But uh I I am enjoying ourshoes.
I've been very comfortable withthat.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:31):
The full Bob Dylan uh 1966 performance.
And she was wearing thesebeautiful high heel shoes for
two hours, and it looked so likechallenging to for Kevin to
imagine doing that.
He's like, if she could do that,the least I could do is wear my
stage shoes.
So he started wearing his stageshoes for a while after that.

SPEAKER_06 (01:03:50):
But not for the Marietta show, I did not.
But I was glad.
Well, because I had to do butthe Marietta show was a meet and
greet.
Uh, there it was like fourshows.
It was like a meet and greet,and then a short show, and then
another show, and then anothershow.
It was like four shows.
So I was like, I can't do thatanyway.
Anna has a lot of great shoes,by the way.
Do you really?
Good fun shoes.
She got a lot of fun shoes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:11):
I don't have a lot compared to lots of women, but
now every time I see you, I'mgonna look at your shoes and
stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:18):
Well, we're a socky family as far as like just
comfort around the house andstuff.
And I decided since this was notvideotaped to just come in my
painting attire.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:27):
There's nothing wrong with it, it looks good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:29):
You don't have any paint though on your actual
clothes.
When I stand up, you can't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:35):
Absolutely.
So, real quick, because as Imentioned at the beginning of
the episode, it's coming out onmy birthday on November 16th.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:44):
Yay!

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:44):
Happy birthday.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
So, real quick, I wanted tomention a couple of things, just
go back in time here.
The week after my 14th birthday,November 1980, okay, I had
coffee for the first time.
Oh, wow, you remember?
I do.
It was a week after I worked ata uh flea market, and I thought

(01:05:06):
I was like gonna be cool.
I'm gonna go get this coffee andI'm gonna drink it, and I had
about half a cup and I threw iton the ground, and I've never
had it since.
That was the last time that Ihad coffee, didn't like it at
all.
If we go to November 16th, 1985,I turned 19, I lived in New

(01:05:32):
York, and you became of thelegal drinking age until
December 1st.
No grandfather clause.
So I had from November 16thuntil November 30th, and that
was it, and then I wasn't ableto drink for two years after
that.
I thought it was insane.
And I went out that night and wewe went to this bar like uh men

(01:05:56):
is main event, and my friendslike we knew who the bartenders
were, they were brothers, andthey just like bought all these
bottles, like not just drinks,but just bottle after bottle.
It was one of the worst nights.

SPEAKER_04 (01:06:12):
You should see the look on Jim's face right now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:14):
He obviously threw off.
It was one of the worst nightsof my life, and as a matter of
fact, worse than coffee?
It's very close.
The podcast checker, Sue Ann.
Sue Ann had to drive me homebecause I don't even know if I
knew my name was Jim.
All right.
Yeah, but the podcast checkerdrove me home.

(01:06:34):
I just wanted to kind of mentiona couple of things around my
birthday.
It is the birthday episode here.
Happy birthday, Jam.
And the best gift could behaving Kevin Kinney and Anna
Jensen here on the show with us.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:47):
Yay!

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:47):
Couldn't be any better than that.
And I definitely appreciate it.
And you know, thank you for allyour time.
Yeah.
Do you want to do that?
I'll write you a song.
Oh, he's gonna write a song?

SPEAKER_06 (01:06:58):
Well, I mean, I'll write you a Diddy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:59):
Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:00):
About your birthday.
Wow.
Wow.
Is that guitar work over there?
Is missing a string?
That's okay.

unknown (01:07:08):
That's all I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:09):
Well, one of the bands on our record, The Ghost
of the Show.
I'm missing a string.
She plays a guitar that only hasone string.

SPEAKER_06 (01:07:15):
Yeah.
Okay, so uh, all right, here wego.
Uh every year it seems like it'smy birthday.
Every year they congratulate me.
They say happy birthday.

(01:07:37):
As if I never had one before.
But it seems to come around justabout just about every year.
So happy birthday is what theysay, even though I don't even
remember that day.

(01:07:57):
You should call my mom, tell herhappy birthday, because she was
there, and she remembers whatthey call my birthday.
Big rock ending, Prince GuitarSolo.

(01:08:25):
Happy birthday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:37):
That was fantastic.
That was awesome.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:43):
Always call your mother on your birthday.
Absolutely.
That's what I try to do.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:46):
My mom would tell me the story every birthday.
She's like, I got up at 16.

SPEAKER_06 (01:08:51):
I know, right?
It's like I'm sorry.
And I was in labor for fourdays.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:56):
You.
Kevin, I really appreciate that.
This is um this is the best 59thbirthday I've ever had.

SPEAKER_06 (01:09:04):
59.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:04):
I'm gonna be 59 on November 16th.
Yes.
I'm looking forward to it.
Still in your 50s.
I'm still in my 50s.
That is wonderful.
Well, I look much younger sinceI shaved my beard.
You do.
And I've lost some weight.
I'm drinking.
You don't match with yourt-shirt anymore.
It's fantastic.
And again, let's count how manytimes I said fantastic.
Listen, we could be here.

(01:09:26):
It's a birthday drinking game.
Yes, there you go.
We could be here all day talkingto Kevin and Anna.
Unfortunately, our time is up,and I wish it wasn't.
Thank you for listening,everyone.
Yes, thank you.
And Anna, thank you so much.
I mean, it's really been cooltelling us all about the project
and you know how it started, andit, you know, it's something

(01:09:48):
that's full of love and youknow, times when things aren't
so loving and everything.
It's really cool that you'vecontinued to work on this for so
many years.
So we definitely do appreciateeverything.
And that's it for episode 105.
Thank you so much.
Music in my shoes.
Again, thank you to Kevin andAnna and Jimmy Guthrie, show

(01:10:08):
producer and owner of Arcade 160Studios, located right here in
Atlanta, Georgia.
Vic Thrill for our podcastmusic.
This is Jim Boge, and I hope youlearned something new or
remembered something old.
We'll meet again on our nextepisode.
Until then, live life and keepthe music playing a big bigger

(01:10:34):
move.