June 11, 2024 • 35 mins
Ever wondered whether a creature could spit corrosive saliva and generate electric shocks? Join us as we dig into the bizarre and fearsome legend of the Mongolian Death Worm in this jaw-dropping episode of MVP's WTF Paranormal Podcast! We kick off with a light-hearted chat about facing the flu with Botox treatments for migraines before we plunge into the chilling tales of this cryptid, likened to the sandworms from Dune and the graboids from Tremors. You won't believe the vivid descriptions and spine-tingling stories surrounding this five to seven-foot-long terror.
Our journey doesn’t stop there; we explore the differences between legless lizards and worm lizards, often mistaken for snakes, and then pivot to the electrifying and corrosive abilities attributed to the Mongolian Death Worm. Could this creature be a blend of known animals like eels and poisonous frogs? We dive into the historical context of Mongolia under Soviet rule and how it lends some credence to these terrifying tales. With speculative and humorous banter, we wrap up our discussion on the Death Worm's alleged self-destructive attack methods.
Finally, we wander through the weird and wonderful world of cryptids and folklore. From the Yukon Giant Worm to ice worms in Alaska and British Columbia, our conversation melds historical and scientific perspectives with playful debates about "forest deserts" and killer centipedes from South America. We celebrate the creativity in folklore, especially the monstrous legends from Asian cultures, while offering practical (and comical) advice for dealing with unexpected worm encounters in the desert. Tune in for a captivating blend of humor, history, and hair-raising cryptid tales that promise to keep you both entertained and intrigued!
Our journey doesn’t stop there; we explore the differences between legless lizards and worm lizards, often mistaken for snakes, and then pivot to the electrifying and corrosive abilities attributed to the Mongolian Death Worm. Could this creature be a blend of known animals like eels and poisonous frogs? We dive into the historical context of Mongolia under Soviet rule and how it lends some credence to these terrifying tales. With speculative and humorous banter, we wrap up our discussion on the Death Worm's alleged self-destructive attack methods.
Finally, we wander through the weird and wonderful world of cryptids and folklore. From the Yukon Giant Worm to ice worms in Alaska and British Columbia, our conversation melds historical and scientific perspectives with playful debates about "forest deserts" and killer centipedes from South America. We celebrate the creativity in folklore, especially the monstrous legends from Asian cultures, while offering practical (and comical) advice for dealing with unexpected worm encounters in the desert. Tune in for a captivating blend of humor, history, and hair-raising cryptid tales that promise to keep you both entertained and intrigued!
Please visit our website: www.militaryveteransparanormal.com for access to more information about this episode and others, as well as other research and investigations we've done.
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Evan (00:09):
Welcome back to MVP's what the f***?
Paranormal podcast where wetalk about, well, everything the
paranormal encompasses.
So you ready?
Let's f***ing do this.
All right, welcome backeverybody to another fantastic
episode of mvp's wtf paranormalpodcast.
(00:29):
I'm evan, I'm here with mel andtommy.
Tonight west is out, uh, kindof sick or something, I don't
know we're all sick, man I Ithis past week I've not felt
well I haven't felt well in thepast 10 years.
Mell (00:44):
Yes, but this past week I felt unwell I don't know how to
describe it.
I didn't necessarily feel sicklike, but today I I am sick and
yesterday I was sick, butearlier in the week I just did
not.
I felt unwell just off yeahyeah, no, you taught me I'm the
same but I was good this week.
Tommy (01:05):
Well, since I got my injections, I've been good now
new injections nice, is it?
Evan (01:12):
botox you know, the va is going to give me botox to help
with my migraines oh, theytalked to me about the same
stuff and I was like I don'tknow how I feel about botox in
my face well, it's around thehairline.
My eye twitches like a lot andthey were talking about pumping
it full of Botox or whatever tostop the twitching.
Mell (01:31):
Yeah, but it does help.
It does help with the migraines.
It's been known to work with it, so we're going to try that
again.
Evan (01:40):
Yeah, Well, maybe I'll give it a shot.
I don't know.
I just didn't want my face toswell up like some of them
hollywood actresses.
Mell (01:47):
Yeah, we're not getting like.
You're not getting like lipinjections or cheek implants or
anything and it's not likethey're gonna just whatever you
do.
I guess I've never had it yet,but I want to make sure that I'm
not like raising my eyebrowswhen they do it, because you
know how.
There's some people who get theinjections and then they look
(02:07):
perpetually surprised.
Yeah.
Tommy (02:10):
I don't want to be that guy.
Evan (02:13):
I don't want to be that either.
That sounds terrible.
Mell (02:19):
All right.
So what have you got for ustoday?
Evan (02:21):
Well, everybody it's been paying attention this season.
You guys know what we're doinghere.
We're talking about thecryptids, the cryptozoology, the
weird monsters that go bump inthe night.
Mell (02:31):
Yes.
Evan (02:32):
And this week we've got some weird ones for you.
We're talking about the creepycrawlies, the things with all
the legs or know the legs, andin particular we're talking
about the Mongolian death worm.
Mell (02:47):
This thing, the Mongolian death worm, aka the big ass
beast in the movie Tremors right.
Evan (02:54):
I mean, I think they modeled it after this cryptid in
particular, didn't they?
What are they called thegraboids in Tremors?
Mell (03:02):
Yeah.
Tommy (03:03):
You know, they actually made a movie called the
mongolian death.
Evan (03:08):
Yeah, it's an actual film.
Tommy (03:09):
It came out in like 2010 did you see it?
Anything.
Yeah, it doesn't look anythinglike tremors, but if I had to,
if if it was me looking at thisthing and from the stories and
descriptions, I would think itwould be a tremor, like one of
those creatures, yeah, plus.
Mell (03:28):
Kevin Bacon was in Tremors and hello, it's Kevin Bacon,
Can't go wrong.
Everybody loves.
Tommy (03:34):
Bacon yeah, I got you, I got you, evan, you did.
I took him probably becausethat's what he always says oh
man, I beat you, I got you, solet.
Evan (03:47):
So, let's go we have a movie night at your house.
Mell (03:49):
One night mill, we watched one of the trimmers movies we
did we did that movie wasterrible shut your dirty whore
mouth I don't remember which oneit was.
Evan (04:01):
They had, like the ass blasters.
Yes, oh my god, oh man.
So yeah, deep within the vastdeserts of mongolia, you know,
there's the whispers of thiswriggling beast, the mongolian
death worm.
It just sounds cool, man, itdoes, but when you think about
it, you know, you think like.
(04:22):
My mind immediately goes tolike the giant sandworms and
dune, uh-huh and uh.
That is like could not befurther from what this is.
These mongolian death worms areapparently only about five to
seven feet long.
They're not gigantic, huge,enormous creatures what yeah,
(04:45):
from what I've seen that's allI've heard is they're about five
to seven feet long, about twofoot, that's still big.
Tommy (04:52):
Because a snake?
What is it?
The Sambo was mistakenlymistaken for the Magolian worm.
Because of the length of thebody and the way it's, uh, well
shaped and it slithers, I couldsee that totally because I mean,
(05:13):
let's face it, there's noactual pictures, because
obviously anybody who takes apicture is eaten almost
immediately afterwards.
Evan (05:24):
I would assume.
So yeah, I mean locally, in thelocal region they call it.
I don't know really how topronounce this word.
Mell (05:34):
The large intestine worm.
Evan (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, but they have like a native word for it Orge
corkoy.
Yeah, that's the one, that isthe one.
But yeah, apparently thattranslates to large intestine
worm, because it just looks likea you know seven foot section
of large intestine crawlingalong the desert.
Mell (05:52):
Except for, like the face mouth thing, all of the like
images that I have seen likewith the teeth and stuff.
Also like when it's like rightall up in your, it's like right
up all in the grill.
It also kind of looks like avagina With teeth.
Yeah, it's a vagina with teeth.
Evan (06:15):
It's every man's worst nightmare.
Mell (06:17):
It is.
Tommy (06:19):
Don't go playing around with that one Well in books it
wasn't just that this thingwould eat you, but you could
just mere touch and you wouldinstantly die from it.
Evan (06:28):
Yeah, because it has some kind of crazy lethal poison that
I guess is covering its skin,this corrosive poison that
covers its whole body, which isterrifying, yeah.
(06:50):
So what do we know about thisthingy?
Tommy (06:59):
there's a lot of myth about it and a lot of uh alleged
encounters.
There has been a lot of peoplewho have uh actually ventured
out to try to see if theycouldn't find it in the gobi
desert of mongolia.
Yes, that would be the writersum looks like as earliest as
hold on uh 2009 well, did youguys know about roy chapman
(07:21):
andrews?
Evan (07:23):
yeah, in the the 1920s, yeah expedition that they did
out there, yeah, so I brieflyread about it, but so enlighten
me roy chapman andrews.
Mell (07:34):
He wrote this article in asian mag, asia magazine, back
in 1922 and, roy chapman andrews, he was like hold on.
Evan (07:43):
The magazine is called Asian Magazine Asia.
Tommy (07:47):
Magazine, it's New Conquest of Central Asia.
Mell (07:50):
Well, this article was published.
The article was published inthe Asia Magazine.
Evan (07:56):
The Asia Magazine.
Mell (07:58):
Yeah, and it was.
He then later published it inhis book on the trail Trail of
Ancient man.
That was published like fouryears later and allegedly the
Mongolian government asked himto maybe capture a specimen like
either a photograph or somesort of specimen for it.
(08:21):
They described it to him orsome sort of specimen for it.
They described it to him.
No one had, and he said thatthe premier asked him if he
would capture for the governmentthis worm and he said it was
shaped like a sausage, about twofeet long, has no head, no legs
.
It's so poisonous that merelyto touch it, if you touch it,
(08:46):
it's instant death.
Like Tommy was saying, it livesin the most desolate parts of
the Gobi Desert where Andrewswas allegedly going.
So the Mongolian death worm isto Mongolians what the dragon is
to the Chinese people.
So even though they've neverseen it, they all believed in
(09:08):
this mythical creature and ithad powers and it was very
precious to them.
Evan (09:13):
Interesting.
Mell (09:14):
So Andrews reported.
Then a cabinet minister statedthat the cousin of his late
wife's sister actually saw itand so if they ever crossed its
path, andrews promised that hewould try and either capture a
photo or get some sort ofspecimen.
They told him it could be seatthey.
(09:36):
Maybe they could catch it bycollect using long steel forceps
.
Tommy (09:42):
Yes.
Mell (09:43):
Yeah, and they suggested maybe you should wear dark
glasses so that, because theywere, they feared that if he
looked at it it was so poisonousa creature that even looking at
it could neutralize a person.
Bang yeah, he said, and thiswas funny in his quote.
He wrote the meeting adjournedwith the best of feelings.
Evan (10:09):
You can polarize sunglasses in your grill and
tongs.
Mell (10:12):
Yeah.
Evan (10:13):
Good to go, buddy.
Mell (10:15):
Then, after 1990, an engineer and a self-proclaimed
crypto zoologist, monster hunter, ivan mackerel.
He published some articles thatwere based on his travels in
mongolia and he described thisthing as also possessing some
(10:36):
sort of organ within itself thatwas electric, and he read about
that.
He claims that a geologist waskilled from this high voltage
electrical discharge when heinadvertently touched a buried
death worm with an iron rod.
Evan (10:55):
So not only does it have extremely toxic venom coating
its whole skin, by the way, itsays it's instant death when you
touch it Like I mean.
How instant are we talking?
Do you think like Rick and Mort, it's instant death when you
touch it like I mean?
Tommy (11:05):
how instant are we talking like?
Do you think like?
Evan (11:07):
Rick and Morty level, instant death, like touch it and
fall over kind of thing, orlike, yes, you know, get sick
and die in a few minutes no ivanwent to the desert because he
got inspired by the novel duneof course who went.
Tommy (11:22):
so he built a motor driving thumper and it even used
, like uh, dynamite and otherexplosions to try to see if he
couldn't get these worms to cometo the surface.
No kind of like in the moviedune, where they're attracted to
sound, yes or spice.
Evan (11:39):
But also tremors in the same light.
Tommy (11:42):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Mell (11:45):
Don't take my tremors from me.
Evan (11:47):
So this guy actually built like some kind of an actual
like thumper machine out therein the desert.
Yeah, that's wild.
He really believed in this.
That's badass.
Good for him.
Mell (11:58):
So then there was a Russian paleontologist.
Ironically enough, his firstname was also Ivan, but his last
name is like a femrov orsomething like that, something
Russian.
Evan (12:09):
Fucking Russians, ruskies.
Mell (12:12):
So he worked in the Gobi Desert and he wrote in 1958 his
scientific it's a scientificbook called the Wind's Path.
And he stated in his book thathe came across this elderly man
while he was in Mongolia and theman warned all of the
geologists of the Mongoliandeath war.
(12:33):
Supposedly this geologicalexpedition in 1948 burned a
whole bunch of them alive,burned them alive how I don't
know, burn them allegedly somesort of geological expedition
out in the gobi desert found awhole bunch of mongolian death
(12:54):
worms and they set them on firealive they just burned them all
up, said we don't want nonethere's no hard evidence of the
existence of these things, but Imean it's legends and stories
mostly yeah, there's another guy, uh, richard richard freeman,
um, who's a crypto zoologist guy, and uh, I actually have a
(13:17):
couple of his books, theAdventures in Cryptozoology that
are really good If anybody'sinterested.
Evan (13:23):
they're really phenomenal books.
Anyways, in 2005, he led a teamout to the Gobi Desert in
search of the Mongolian deathworm as well as well, and they
didn't actually encounteranything, but they documented
lots of different, lots oftestimonies from locals and
collected a bunch of samplesfrom the desert, soil and stuff.
Mell (13:46):
but uh, interesting though he writes about it in one of
his books good stuff I find itinteresting that from the 1600s
to the early 1900s, to the even2000s, you know, there's been
claims of this things, and it'snot for lack of trying.
It's kind of like, I think, themongolian death worm, if it
ever were to have existed, it'sin the running for wit against
(14:11):
bigfoot in terms of the hide andseek champion and mermaids no,
mermaids are not real what aboutunicorns?
no, this thing is like if youread about what it allegedly can
do.
That's scary as shit fuck.
Evan (14:28):
Yeah, it's scary as shit.
It can shock you to death, itcan poison you with an instant
death venom and it can juststraight up eat you and at a
distance.
Tommy (14:37):
It doesn't have to be up close and personal to you what
do you mean?
Mell (14:39):
at a distance?
What?
Tommy (14:41):
oh, yeah, it is said to be killed at a distance.
That's ivan mackerel.
Yeah, so what can it like?
Shoot its venom?
It is said to be.
Yeah, it can kill at a distance, either by spraying venom at
its prey or by means ofelectricity discharge.
Primary lives and barrelsunderground, only rarely coming
(15:01):
up to the surface, and they saythat's why there's the.
It looks like tracks, liketunneling under the sand
following the waves of the sand.
That's badass, you know howyou'll have it looks like waves
across sand, but it will be likea hump within that wave.
Mell (15:20):
Well.
Tommy (15:20):
I was going to ask you guys when's the first time you
guys heard about the MagolianDeath Worm.
Evan (15:27):
Probably a couple years ago, when I started reading into
these crypto books.
Mell (15:31):
I don't know.
Yeah, not too long ago.
Tommy (15:35):
So mine comes from back in like 2006.
Mell (15:43):
They had it on Destination Truth, truth, of course.
Tommy (15:44):
then that makes it real, absolutely fucking real but I
was just saying that was thefirst time that I remember
hearing about this and lookingeverything up.
That's why, when you guys werejust telling the stories, I was
like wait a second here.
I know, know something aboutthis.
That's what I do.
Mell (15:57):
I drink and I know things.
You know something, Tommy.
I told you you got some brainsup all up in that big ass
forehead of yours.
Tommy (16:05):
It's a landing strip people.
Evan (16:07):
We call that like a five to six head.
Tommy (16:11):
Hey, I'm not bald OK.
Evan (16:14):
No, no, you're definitely not.
I am.
Tommy (16:22):
No, I got thin hair.
Yeah, yeah, I just had somebodyask me.
They're like hey, have you everhad it braided?
And I was like no, it would alldisappear.
Mell (16:31):
No, no, no, I have not.
There's some things that peoplehave been saying that it could
be Legless lizards, lot lizards.
I thought those are hookers intrailer, like in trucker stops.
Tommy (16:48):
We need to ask a trucker.
That's what they're called.
Do we know any truck drivers?
Mell (16:55):
Yeah.
Tommy (16:56):
We do, don't we.
Mell (16:57):
We do.
Tommy (16:59):
Let's phone a friend.
Mell (17:01):
Phone a friend.
Oh shit, so legless lizards.
Are those small, or are theybig?
Evan (17:11):
Generally, I mean yes, but generally on the smaller side.
But, they are.
You know, they're reptiles.
Mell (17:18):
They resemble snakes.
Evan (17:19):
They don't have limbs.
Mell (17:21):
Okay.
Tommy (17:22):
Probably smaller than a Komodo dragon.
Mell (17:25):
So then no.
Evan (17:26):
Maybe, unless it's some different species of lizard From
what?
Tommy (17:29):
I read it was nothing.
But what was that Samboa?
Okay, a tartar samboa.
And it was about two foot long.
Mell (17:37):
So samboas, those are non-venomous.
Yeah, it does burrow.
Evan (17:43):
Yeah, they do.
Tommy (17:44):
But they're not poisonous , though, no they're not killing
you If you told kids a story.
Evan (17:50):
But these are adults.
I mean there's all kind ofvenomous snakes in the desert
too Vipers and cobras and allkinds of.
Tommy (17:57):
It could also be a story that you tell your kids so they
stop playing with animals likethat.
Mell (18:02):
In the middle of the Gobi Desert?
Who the fuck's gonna go playoutside in the middle of a
fucking Gobi Desert?
Tommy (18:10):
Going out in the desert playing with these snakes.
You know what I'm saying.
They had to be taught.
Hey, kids, don't play withsnakes.
Mell (18:23):
Don't play with them, big ass worms.
Tommy (18:23):
Don't play with trouser snakes and don't mess with the
mongolian death worm.
Yeah, that's simple.
The three snakes you messaround you don't mess with.
So they also have bucks.
Mell (18:31):
So there are worm lizards no worm lizards.
Tommy (18:34):
What is a worm lizard?
Mell (18:36):
Okay, they're often mistaken for snakes because they
do have very long bodies, butthey're part of a different
taxonomic group calledAmphisbanians.
Evan (18:48):
Amphisbanians, I don't know, I don't know how you say
that.
Mell (18:51):
Slippy, slappy.
Evan (18:53):
Regardless, they're a lizard that don't have feet.
Tommy (18:57):
What is the Megongolia death worm?
You accidentally ate one right.
Would that still be a tapeworm?
You'd be dead basicallywouldn't matter.
Yeah, because the poisonousyeah you're absolutely right
you're stupid so those are allthe options that it could be.
Evan (19:21):
However, none of those fucking things you know are out
there sending a million voltsthrough people right.
Mell (19:27):
The first report of this, allegedly the first sighting,
was like a thousand years ago.
Tommy (19:35):
That's why I said it could have been something that
was around.
Yeah, uh, you know I'm notsaying the desert was the desert
back then.
It could have actually hadwaters and and these are the
worms that were in those waters.
It's very possible.
You're not wrong.
I like the way you think I'llgo hide in the closet now
because she's about to bash meno, yeah, I mean there's a big
(19:59):
difference between two feet andseven feet long you know, yes,
that is a whole five feetdifference yeah you know, the
two footers could have been thejuveniles oh, yeah, yeah
Mell (20:11):
that's right they.
They spit this corrosive yellowsaliva and they generate blasts
of electricity.
Tommy (20:17):
I'm just trying to think like you've got fish that
generate, eels generateelectricity, that's possible.
All right, let's just say thatthe eel is a doesn't require to
be in water.
It can withstand deserts.
And then, uh, there are, likepoisonous frogs.
We got poisonous tree frogs.
Why can't we have a poisonousworm?
Mell (20:39):
I mean, I'm not eating caterpillars since I got out of
the army here's what's weirdmongolian was controlled by the
soviet union up until 1990 andbecause of that, anything 1990,
you can't really look for anykind of evidence because you
know, obviously, the SovietUnion, the way they track things
(21:02):
and document things, verydifferent from here in the West.
You could say that, yeah, maybejust a little.
Tommy (21:08):
A wee bit.
Their logging process sucks,even though it does.
Yeah, their logging processsucks, even though it does yeah.
Mell (21:14):
So legend says.
Now this is what I think isalso kind of odd that when this
creature is going to start toattack, right, it raises half
its body out of the sand, puffsitself up until it explodes, and
then the poison goes all overeverybody.
Evan (21:34):
Everything dies instantly so wait, it's a suicide worm as
well that's what I was gonna ask.
Mell (21:39):
Is it like a suicide worm?
Tommy (21:41):
I'm thinking what it is is kind of like a uh, uh, like a
puffer fish, how it blowsitself up but in order for it to
spew it's got to compress, likebuild up the air inside like a
compressor, and then it spews itout, probably.
Mell (21:55):
Kind of like explosive diarrhea.
Evan, you're about to be a newdad, so you're going to learn
this.
It's called blowouts.
Tommy (22:05):
It's alright to be peed and pooped on by your baby.
By other people, not really.
Evan (22:10):
By other people, not really so also, how would people
know this story about if itblows up and kills everything
nearby?
Mell (22:27):
Maybe they watched it blow up and kill somebody else.
Tommy (22:31):
They could have.
Think about it.
Just because it hit somebodydoesn't mean it hit everybody.
You're right In more ways thanone.
I've been the inappropriate onetonight.
Usually it's you or Wes andEvan.
Usually you guys are over theresnickering, but tonight it's
been me.
Mell (22:51):
Yes, which?
Is ironic, because your avatardoes make you look like jesus
you're healed okay you'reforgiven for all the sins, of
all the cryptids, and, and thereare some really rando ones out
there.
(23:11):
This is, you know.
Come on, man, I'm it's a wildone.
Yeah, no, I just think this ismongolian folklore I mean, that
does seem like what it is.
Tommy (23:25):
Yes, yeah, I mean imagine , like them, holding down
somebody, and let's just saythat this worm doesn't have the
immediate like death, but itdoes build up and they did like
the wrath of con where they putit like on you or in you.
That'd be kind of messed up.
Evan (23:45):
Yeah, it's fucked up.
I will agree with you that thisdoes just seem like Mongolian
folklore Folklore.
However, there are other onesin, in other cultures mongolian
death worms?
No death worms you know in away.
Yes, there is something calledthe guh.
(24:05):
The guh is how it's spelled,yeah, also known as the yukon
worm, and it is a cryptidinvertebrate rumored to inhabit
the St Elias Mountains locatedin the Canadian territory of
Yukon.
Mell (24:21):
Canadia finally got something.
Evan (24:24):
Yeah, they have, and apparently I guess there's some
natives up there I don't knowhow to pronounce their names
Tuchone.
Mell (24:32):
I don't know they're First Nation.
Evan (24:34):
Yeah, t-u-t-c-h-o-n-e.
I don't know their first nation.
Yeah, t-u-t-c-h-o-n-e.
I don't know, southern touchone.
People have accounts of theseyukon giant worms up there so
this is called the yukon deathworm yukon giant worm is what
they're called, also also calledduh duh so this good, I mean,
(24:58):
there are no deserts up incanadia.
Mell (25:01):
No, no that irritates my husband so much when I call it
canadia, because he's you know,he's canadian and it's canada
it's kind of a desert in a waythat it's nothing but forest.
So that's nothing like a desert.
Evan (25:14):
It's a forest desert.
Mell (25:17):
No, bro, that doesn't work .
You're dumbass.
It's kind of like a desert justcovered in forest Just covered
in trees instead of sand.
Yes, yeah, no, that's a forestTotally different ecosystem,
yeah.
Oh, different ecosystem, yeah.
Tommy (25:37):
Oh yeah.
Evan (25:39):
What a douche.
Does it?
Mell (25:41):
look the same allegedly.
Evan (25:43):
They're apparently like, almost black in appearance and
they are in length comparable tobears, whatever that means.
So maybe up to six feet, sevenfeet, ten feet somewhere in that
general region, about as longas a bear, huh.
But they're also big giantworms or caterpillar type things
(26:05):
.
Mell (26:05):
And they.
I see here that someone saw ithanging out in a tree.
You know how they say there arealligators in the sewers,
Alligators in the sewers.
Evan (26:14):
So yeah, that's not anything like a desert well, no,
it's not a desert, but there'sa big worm, but worms go down
well, this one could be a wormand down under the soil, you
know yeah, so I think it's Don'tbelieve it for a second.
Yeah, yeah, it's time to callbullshit.
Tommy (26:36):
Bullshit on what?
Every fucking thing.
Evan (26:39):
Okay.
Well, there's also these realthings called killer centipedes
lurking in the rainforest ofSouth America, and these are
real worms.
Mell (26:48):
How big do they get?
Evan (26:50):
Usually only up to like at max.
I think they're about 18 inches, so obviously not several feet,
but they are big ass centipedesthat do feed on, like frogs and
tarantulas, birds, rodents, youknow all kinds of stuff.
Mell (27:04):
Well, I don't know if that was real or not, but in 1909,
there was a journalist who wastalking about the ice worms in
the Yukon.
Did you hear about that?
Tommy (27:15):
I didn't.
Are you talking about the thingthat was made up?
By what was it Discovery thoseice worms?
Mell (27:21):
No, this was back in 1909.
Discovery wasn't around then.
Tommy (27:25):
Yeah, but there's something about ice worms that
Discovery did years ago, Okayice worms go.
Mell (27:38):
Apparently they do exist.
Ice worms did exist on thecoastal glaciers of Alaska,
British Columbia and the Yukon.
There was a biologist atRutgers University, Dan Shane.
He studied the life of the iceworm in North Americaica, and so
yeah, he spent an entire summertrekking over coastal glaciers
(27:58):
to find out everything he could.
He actually has jars of them inhis lab he was able to extract
dna from them, and so the iceworm actually might be the most
highly adapted multi-celledcreature on the planet.
But they're small.
They're not big either, they'relittle.
They're about one to twocentimeters long.
(28:19):
They look kind of like a pieceof yarn on ice, I guess.
Evan (28:22):
They don't kill you.
Mell (28:23):
Well, they have really big mouths.
Evan (28:27):
Relative to its size.
Mell (28:28):
I imagine yeah, so I guess no, that would be a no.
Yeah, so I guess no, that wouldbe a no.
But apparently back in 1909 itwas described as uh, one and a
half meters long, with a head onboth ends of its body.
Evan (28:44):
So I've spent, uh, I spent some time up in the yukon in
the yukon training area and, uh,I never seen no big ass ice
worms, nothing like that.
But I also wouldn't really lookin you know.
Mell (28:56):
But then these ice worms that this biologist found at
Rutgers.
Again, they're only just acouple of centimeters long, so I
guess they don't count.
So there's that.
Evan (29:07):
Well, we do know there's worms in the ice, so that's,
that's information we didn'thave before.
Tommy (29:14):
I think a lot of this has been information we haven't had
before I think it's great.
Evan (29:17):
Yeah, it's pretty good I mean it's.
Mell (29:20):
I will say this is one of the more creative cryptids you
know.
Listen, asian folk don't fuckaround when it comes to hey.
If we're gonna make up someshit, we're gonna make up a
monster.
It's gonna be a damn goodmonster it's gonna be terrifying
yeah, terrifying.
Evan (29:34):
Yeah, and instantly kill you.
Mell (29:35):
And maybe if we're pulling off of what Tommy said, instead
of hey, we're warning our kidswhen you go play out in the Gobi
Desert, never to be seen againbecause you're going to die of
dehydration and sun exposure,the way to prevent that is to
create this Mongolian death worm.
This is why you don't ventureout into a vast desert, Not
(29:59):
because you're just going to die, but because of the worms.
Tommy (30:02):
And I'm still thinking that the desert wasn't as dry as
it is now.
I'm still thinking that itcould have a stream.
Maybe there was some brushtrees, that kind of stuff.
Then it wouldn't be a desert.
We're calling it a desert nowBecause it's a fucking desert,
but you got to think a thousandyears ago the Earth's surface
(30:23):
could have changed.
Mell (30:25):
Yeah.
Evan (30:26):
It most definitely did.
Mell (30:29):
Yeah.
Evan (30:30):
Over time.
Mell (30:30):
But the Gobi Desert.
It's saying here that the GobiDesert landscape was formed at
the squiggle line 2.6, capital M, small a.
What does that mean?
Approximately 2.6 million yearsago?
Oh well, why didn't they justwrite that?
Tommy (30:52):
You said approximate to squiggly line.
Like I'm over here likesquiggly line you're so dumb you
are really dumb for real yeah,yeah, I feel like you just gave
us like a star trek intro starteight, six, nine to the point
eight, listen I don't scientificmath either to the squiggly
(31:19):
line I don't need your judgment.
Evan (31:23):
Okay, I feel well I mean tommy's, not too wrong.
You know the goby desert, Ithink at one time was under the
ocean yeah, over 2.6 millionyears ago well, that could be
just a prehistoric relative thatsomehow figured out how to
adapt and live underneath thesand instead of under the water.
Mell (31:42):
Yeah, I don't know but when you're looking life is
weird when you're looking up thehistory of the mongolian death
worm, they said that it wasmostly seen in the 1950s.
That shit was a desert man Imean yes, yes yeah, but you said
the story was over like athousand years old and that's
what made me start thinking thegoby desert was a dry ass sand
(32:06):
dune of a desert a thousandyears ago well, the, the death
worm, could be older than athousand years.
Evan (32:12):
People could have been dealing with it more than a
thousand years ago.
They just weren't talking aboutit or writing it down.
Tommy (32:17):
Or they talk about it and the story just got passed down.
Yeah, exactly.
Mell (32:23):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Evan (32:25):
I mean, I don't know either, man, I'm going to agree.
Tommy (32:28):
That's why we're on this podcast we don't know Right
Don't ever say that shit again.
Mell (32:37):
We don't.
We can only theory-, we canonly theory-erize.
Yeah, thank you.
Evan (32:39):
If people are listening to this, thinking that we're
experts, you're wrong.
Mell (32:43):
Clearly we're a bunch of dumb fucks at this point.
Never mind the degrees that wehave.
We're stupid as shit.
Tommy (32:53):
We're just having a good time.
My mama said.
My mama said alligators arebecause they got all them teeth.
Evan (33:11):
Well, that was all right, we got that out of our system
mongolian death worm.
Completely no fake yeah, I meanyou, probably just a myth, in
my opinion what do you mean?
Mell (33:22):
probably?
Evan (33:23):
all right, it's just a fucking myth.
Tommy (33:24):
Okay, it's just yeah for me it's a myth, it's a bit it is
I mean, I gave up ideas, but tome it's still a myth yeah, I
mean it's a cool myth, but it is, it's a myth I will say the
pictures that people havecreated for them.
Mell (33:39):
I am impressed.
Yeah, I am impressed am I gonnarun?
Out and watch that movie.
Evan (33:45):
Mongolian death, worm death rises from deep below fuck
, no sounds pretty good hell Ijust knew it as a Mongolian
death worm nobody even mentionedthe giant desert worm pit thing
in Star Wars that Boba Fettfalls into there was a Mongolian
(34:06):
death worm in Star Wars no, butit's a giant ass.
You know, pit of teeth likeworm thing in the desert.
Mell (34:14):
Oh, I bet you, it's based off of this.
Evan (34:16):
I just figured we needed to mention it for all the nerds
out there.
So well, you guys are nerds bro, you're on a fucking paranormal
podcast talking about Mongoliandeath worms.
Mell (34:24):
You're a fucking nerd too well, if you want to bring it up
like that, well fine, I'm notbeing on a podcast.
Tommy (34:33):
I feel unwell then I'd be back again all right, fair
enough.
Evan (34:40):
Well, if, if you you know folks, if you got, if you got
worms in the desert the fuck areyou doing?
Tommy (34:50):
I don't even know where he's going at.
Hold up, hold up.
Mell (34:52):
I don't know where I'm going, man don't look at it.
Wear dark glasses wear glovesand have your hot dog tongs on
you, you can make a lot of money.
Worms in the desert oh shit, itis what it is, bro.
Don't let your kids go play inthe desert.
(35:13):
That'd be frowned upon too.
Tommy (35:15):
No, if your kid comes up to you like hey, I found a worm
in the sandbox.
It's not a worm.
Just go ahead and wash yourkid's hands off and go home, oh
man.
Evan (35:30):
Alright, on that note, everybody go fuck yourselves.
Good night, good night.
Mell (35:34):
Good night, oh my God.
Welcome back to MVP's what the f***?
Paranormal podcast where wetalk about, well, everything the
paranormal encompasses.
So you ready?
Let's f***ing do this.
All right, welcome backeverybody to another fantastic
episode of mvp's wtf paranormalpodcast.
(00:29):
I'm evan, I'm here with mel andtommy.
Tonight west is out, uh, kindof sick or something, I don't
know we're all sick, man I Ithis past week I've not felt
well I haven't felt well in thepast 10 years.
Mell (00:44):
Yes, but this past week I felt unwell I don't know how to
describe it.
I didn't necessarily feel sicklike, but today I I am sick and
yesterday I was sick, butearlier in the week I just did
not.
I felt unwell just off yeahyeah, no, you taught me I'm the
same but I was good this week.
Tommy (01:05):
Well, since I got my injections, I've been good now
new injections nice, is it?
Evan (01:12):
botox you know, the va is going to give me botox to help
with my migraines oh, theytalked to me about the same
stuff and I was like I don'tknow how I feel about botox in
my face well, it's around thehairline.
My eye twitches like a lot andthey were talking about pumping
it full of Botox or whatever tostop the twitching.
Mell (01:31):
Yeah, but it does help.
It does help with the migraines.
It's been known to work with it, so we're going to try that
again.
Evan (01:40):
Yeah, Well, maybe I'll give it a shot.
I don't know.
I just didn't want my face toswell up like some of them
hollywood actresses.
Mell (01:47):
Yeah, we're not getting like.
You're not getting like lipinjections or cheek implants or
anything and it's not likethey're gonna just whatever you
do.
I guess I've never had it yet,but I want to make sure that I'm
not like raising my eyebrowswhen they do it, because you
know how.
There's some people who get theinjections and then they look
(02:07):
perpetually surprised.
Yeah.
Tommy (02:10):
I don't want to be that guy.
Evan (02:13):
I don't want to be that either.
That sounds terrible.
Mell (02:19):
All right.
So what have you got for ustoday?
Evan (02:21):
Well, everybody it's been paying attention this season.
You guys know what we're doinghere.
We're talking about thecryptids, the cryptozoology, the
weird monsters that go bump inthe night.
Mell (02:31):
Yes.
Evan (02:32):
And this week we've got some weird ones for you.
We're talking about the creepycrawlies, the things with all
the legs or know the legs, andin particular we're talking
about the Mongolian death worm.
Mell (02:47):
This thing, the Mongolian death worm, aka the big ass
beast in the movie Tremors right.
Evan (02:54):
I mean, I think they modeled it after this cryptid in
particular, didn't they?
What are they called thegraboids in Tremors?
Mell (03:02):
Yeah.
Tommy (03:03):
You know, they actually made a movie called the
mongolian death.
Evan (03:08):
Yeah, it's an actual film.
Tommy (03:09):
It came out in like 2010 did you see it?
Anything.
Yeah, it doesn't look anythinglike tremors, but if I had to,
if if it was me looking at thisthing and from the stories and
descriptions, I would think itwould be a tremor, like one of
those creatures, yeah, plus.
Mell (03:28):
Kevin Bacon was in Tremors and hello, it's Kevin Bacon,
Can't go wrong.
Everybody loves.
Tommy (03:34):
Bacon yeah, I got you, I got you, evan, you did.
I took him probably becausethat's what he always says oh
man, I beat you, I got you, solet.
Evan (03:47):
So, let's go we have a movie night at your house.
Mell (03:49):
One night mill, we watched one of the trimmers movies we
did we did that movie wasterrible shut your dirty whore
mouth I don't remember which oneit was.
Evan (04:01):
They had, like the ass blasters.
Yes, oh my god, oh man.
So yeah, deep within the vastdeserts of mongolia, you know,
there's the whispers of thiswriggling beast, the mongolian
death worm.
It just sounds cool, man, itdoes, but when you think about
it, you know, you think like.
(04:22):
My mind immediately goes tolike the giant sandworms and
dune, uh-huh and uh.
That is like could not befurther from what this is.
These mongolian death worms areapparently only about five to
seven feet long.
They're not gigantic, huge,enormous creatures what yeah,
(04:45):
from what I've seen that's allI've heard is they're about five
to seven feet long, about twofoot, that's still big.
Tommy (04:52):
Because a snake?
What is it?
The Sambo was mistakenlymistaken for the Magolian worm.
Because of the length of thebody and the way it's, uh, well
shaped and it slithers, I couldsee that totally because I mean,
(05:13):
let's face it, there's noactual pictures, because
obviously anybody who takes apicture is eaten almost
immediately afterwards.
Evan (05:24):
I would assume.
So yeah, I mean locally, in thelocal region they call it.
I don't know really how topronounce this word.
Mell (05:34):
The large intestine worm.
Evan (05:35):
Yeah, yeah, but they have like a native word for it Orge
corkoy.
Yeah, that's the one, that isthe one.
But yeah, apparently thattranslates to large intestine
worm, because it just looks likea you know seven foot section
of large intestine crawlingalong the desert.
Mell (05:52):
Except for, like the face mouth thing, all of the like
images that I have seen likewith the teeth and stuff.
Also like when it's like rightall up in your, it's like right
up all in the grill.
It also kind of looks like avagina With teeth.
Yeah, it's a vagina with teeth.
Evan (06:15):
It's every man's worst nightmare.
Mell (06:17):
It is.
Tommy (06:19):
Don't go playing around with that one Well in books it
wasn't just that this thingwould eat you, but you could
just mere touch and you wouldinstantly die from it.
Evan (06:28):
Yeah, because it has some kind of crazy lethal poison that
I guess is covering its skin,this corrosive poison that
covers its whole body, which isterrifying, yeah.
(06:50):
So what do we know about thisthingy?
Tommy (06:59):
there's a lot of myth about it and a lot of uh alleged
encounters.
There has been a lot of peoplewho have uh actually ventured
out to try to see if theycouldn't find it in the gobi
desert of mongolia.
Yes, that would be the writersum looks like as earliest as
hold on uh 2009 well, did youguys know about roy chapman
(07:21):
andrews?
Evan (07:23):
yeah, in the the 1920s, yeah expedition that they did
out there, yeah, so I brieflyread about it, but so enlighten
me roy chapman andrews.
Mell (07:34):
He wrote this article in asian mag, asia magazine, back
in 1922 and, roy chapman andrews, he was like hold on.
Evan (07:43):
The magazine is called Asian Magazine Asia.
Tommy (07:47):
Magazine, it's New Conquest of Central Asia.
Mell (07:50):
Well, this article was published.
The article was published inthe Asia Magazine.
Evan (07:56):
The Asia Magazine.
Mell (07:58):
Yeah, and it was.
He then later published it inhis book on the trail Trail of
Ancient man.
That was published like fouryears later and allegedly the
Mongolian government asked himto maybe capture a specimen like
either a photograph or somesort of specimen for it.
(08:21):
They described it to him orsome sort of specimen for it.
They described it to him.
No one had, and he said thatthe premier asked him if he
would capture for the governmentthis worm and he said it was
shaped like a sausage, about twofeet long, has no head, no legs
.
It's so poisonous that merelyto touch it, if you touch it,
(08:46):
it's instant death.
Like Tommy was saying, it livesin the most desolate parts of
the Gobi Desert where Andrewswas allegedly going.
So the Mongolian death worm isto Mongolians what the dragon is
to the Chinese people.
So even though they've neverseen it, they all believed in
(09:08):
this mythical creature and ithad powers and it was very
precious to them.
Evan (09:13):
Interesting.
Mell (09:14):
So Andrews reported.
Then a cabinet minister statedthat the cousin of his late
wife's sister actually saw itand so if they ever crossed its
path, andrews promised that hewould try and either capture a
photo or get some sort ofspecimen.
They told him it could be seatthey.
(09:36):
Maybe they could catch it bycollect using long steel forceps
.
Tommy (09:42):
Yes.
Mell (09:43):
Yeah, and they suggested maybe you should wear dark
glasses so that, because theywere, they feared that if he
looked at it it was so poisonousa creature that even looking at
it could neutralize a person.
Bang yeah, he said, and thiswas funny in his quote.
He wrote the meeting adjournedwith the best of feelings.
Evan (10:09):
You can polarize sunglasses in your grill and
tongs.
Mell (10:12):
Yeah.
Evan (10:13):
Good to go, buddy.
Mell (10:15):
Then, after 1990, an engineer and a self-proclaimed
crypto zoologist, monster hunter, ivan mackerel.
He published some articles thatwere based on his travels in
mongolia and he described thisthing as also possessing some
(10:36):
sort of organ within itself thatwas electric, and he read about
that.
He claims that a geologist waskilled from this high voltage
electrical discharge when heinadvertently touched a buried
death worm with an iron rod.
Evan (10:55):
So not only does it have extremely toxic venom coating
its whole skin, by the way, itsays it's instant death when you
touch it Like I mean.
How instant are we talking?
Do you think like Rick and Mort, it's instant death when you
touch it like I mean?
Tommy (11:05):
how instant are we talking like?
Do you think like?
Evan (11:07):
Rick and Morty level, instant death, like touch it and
fall over kind of thing, orlike, yes, you know, get sick
and die in a few minutes no ivanwent to the desert because he
got inspired by the novel duneof course who went.
Tommy (11:22):
so he built a motor driving thumper and it even used
, like uh, dynamite and otherexplosions to try to see if he
couldn't get these worms to cometo the surface.
No kind of like in the moviedune, where they're attracted to
sound, yes or spice.
Evan (11:39):
But also tremors in the same light.
Tommy (11:42):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Mell (11:45):
Don't take my tremors from me.
Evan (11:47):
So this guy actually built like some kind of an actual
like thumper machine out therein the desert.
Yeah, that's wild.
He really believed in this.
That's badass.
Good for him.
Mell (11:58):
So then there was a Russian paleontologist.
Ironically enough, his firstname was also Ivan, but his last
name is like a femrov orsomething like that, something
Russian.
Evan (12:09):
Fucking Russians, ruskies.
Mell (12:12):
So he worked in the Gobi Desert and he wrote in 1958 his
scientific it's a scientificbook called the Wind's Path.
And he stated in his book thathe came across this elderly man
while he was in Mongolia and theman warned all of the
geologists of the Mongoliandeath war.
(12:33):
Supposedly this geologicalexpedition in 1948 burned a
whole bunch of them alive,burned them alive how I don't
know, burn them allegedly somesort of geological expedition
out in the gobi desert found awhole bunch of mongolian death
(12:54):
worms and they set them on firealive they just burned them all
up, said we don't want nonethere's no hard evidence of the
existence of these things, but Imean it's legends and stories
mostly yeah, there's another guy, uh, richard richard freeman,
um, who's a crypto zoologist guy, and uh, I actually have a
(13:17):
couple of his books, theAdventures in Cryptozoology that
are really good If anybody'sinterested.
Evan (13:23):
they're really phenomenal books.
Anyways, in 2005, he led a teamout to the Gobi Desert in
search of the Mongolian deathworm as well as well, and they
didn't actually encounteranything, but they documented
lots of different, lots oftestimonies from locals and
collected a bunch of samplesfrom the desert, soil and stuff.
Mell (13:46):
but uh, interesting though he writes about it in one of
his books good stuff I find itinteresting that from the 1600s
to the early 1900s, to the even2000s, you know, there's been
claims of this things, and it'snot for lack of trying.
It's kind of like, I think, themongolian death worm, if it
ever were to have existed, it'sin the running for wit against
(14:11):
bigfoot in terms of the hide andseek champion and mermaids no,
mermaids are not real what aboutunicorns?
no, this thing is like if youread about what it allegedly can
do.
That's scary as shit fuck.
Evan (14:28):
Yeah, it's scary as shit.
It can shock you to death, itcan poison you with an instant
death venom and it can juststraight up eat you and at a
distance.
Tommy (14:37):
It doesn't have to be up close and personal to you what
do you mean?
Mell (14:39):
at a distance?
What?
Tommy (14:41):
oh, yeah, it is said to be killed at a distance.
That's ivan mackerel.
Yeah, so what can it like?
Shoot its venom?
It is said to be.
Yeah, it can kill at a distance, either by spraying venom at
its prey or by means ofelectricity discharge.
Primary lives and barrelsunderground, only rarely coming
(15:01):
up to the surface, and they saythat's why there's the.
It looks like tracks, liketunneling under the sand
following the waves of the sand.
That's badass, you know howyou'll have it looks like waves
across sand, but it will be likea hump within that wave.
Mell (15:20):
Well.
Tommy (15:20):
I was going to ask you guys when's the first time you
guys heard about the MagolianDeath Worm.
Evan (15:27):
Probably a couple years ago, when I started reading into
these crypto books.
Mell (15:31):
I don't know.
Yeah, not too long ago.
Tommy (15:35):
So mine comes from back in like 2006.
Mell (15:43):
They had it on Destination Truth, truth, of course.
Tommy (15:44):
then that makes it real, absolutely fucking real but I
was just saying that was thefirst time that I remember
hearing about this and lookingeverything up.
That's why, when you guys werejust telling the stories, I was
like wait a second here.
I know, know something aboutthis.
That's what I do.
Mell (15:57):
I drink and I know things.
You know something, Tommy.
I told you you got some brainsup all up in that big ass
forehead of yours.
Tommy (16:05):
It's a landing strip people.
Evan (16:07):
We call that like a five to six head.
Tommy (16:11):
Hey, I'm not bald OK.
Evan (16:14):
No, no, you're definitely not.
I am.
Tommy (16:22):
No, I got thin hair.
Yeah, yeah, I just had somebodyask me.
They're like hey, have you everhad it braided?
And I was like no, it would alldisappear.
Mell (16:31):
No, no, no, I have not.
There's some things that peoplehave been saying that it could
be Legless lizards, lot lizards.
I thought those are hookers intrailer, like in trucker stops.
Tommy (16:48):
We need to ask a trucker.
That's what they're called.
Do we know any truck drivers?
Mell (16:55):
Yeah.
Tommy (16:56):
We do, don't we.
Mell (16:57):
We do.
Tommy (16:59):
Let's phone a friend.
Mell (17:01):
Phone a friend.
Oh shit, so legless lizards.
Are those small, or are theybig?
Evan (17:11):
Generally, I mean yes, but generally on the smaller side.
But, they are.
You know, they're reptiles.
Mell (17:18):
They resemble snakes.
Evan (17:19):
They don't have limbs.
Mell (17:21):
Okay.
Tommy (17:22):
Probably smaller than a Komodo dragon.
Mell (17:25):
So then no.
Evan (17:26):
Maybe, unless it's some different species of lizard From
what?
Tommy (17:29):
I read it was nothing.
But what was that Samboa?
Okay, a tartar samboa.
And it was about two foot long.
Mell (17:37):
So samboas, those are non-venomous.
Yeah, it does burrow.
Evan (17:43):
Yeah, they do.
Tommy (17:44):
But they're not poisonous , though, no they're not killing
you If you told kids a story.
Evan (17:50):
But these are adults.
I mean there's all kind ofvenomous snakes in the desert
too Vipers and cobras and allkinds of.
Tommy (17:57):
It could also be a story that you tell your kids so they
stop playing with animals likethat.
Mell (18:02):
In the middle of the Gobi Desert?
Who the fuck's gonna go playoutside in the middle of a
fucking Gobi Desert?
Tommy (18:10):
Going out in the desert playing with these snakes.
You know what I'm saying.
They had to be taught.
Hey, kids, don't play withsnakes.
Mell (18:23):
Don't play with them, big ass worms.
Tommy (18:23):
Don't play with trouser snakes and don't mess with the
mongolian death worm.
Yeah, that's simple.
The three snakes you messaround you don't mess with.
So they also have bucks.
Mell (18:31):
So there are worm lizards no worm lizards.
Tommy (18:34):
What is a worm lizard?
Mell (18:36):
Okay, they're often mistaken for snakes because they
do have very long bodies, butthey're part of a different
taxonomic group calledAmphisbanians.
Evan (18:48):
Amphisbanians, I don't know, I don't know how you say
that.
Mell (18:51):
Slippy, slappy.
Evan (18:53):
Regardless, they're a lizard that don't have feet.
Tommy (18:57):
What is the Megongolia death worm?
You accidentally ate one right.
Would that still be a tapeworm?
You'd be dead basicallywouldn't matter.
Yeah, because the poisonousyeah you're absolutely right
you're stupid so those are allthe options that it could be.
Evan (19:21):
However, none of those fucking things you know are out
there sending a million voltsthrough people right.
Mell (19:27):
The first report of this, allegedly the first sighting,
was like a thousand years ago.
Tommy (19:35):
That's why I said it could have been something that
was around.
Yeah, uh, you know I'm notsaying the desert was the desert
back then.
It could have actually hadwaters and and these are the
worms that were in those waters.
It's very possible.
You're not wrong.
I like the way you think I'llgo hide in the closet now
because she's about to bash meno, yeah, I mean there's a big
(19:59):
difference between two feet andseven feet long you know, yes,
that is a whole five feetdifference yeah you know, the
two footers could have been thejuveniles oh, yeah, yeah
Mell (20:11):
that's right they.
They spit this corrosive yellowsaliva and they generate blasts
of electricity.
Tommy (20:17):
I'm just trying to think like you've got fish that
generate, eels generateelectricity, that's possible.
All right, let's just say thatthe eel is a doesn't require to
be in water.
It can withstand deserts.
And then, uh, there are, likepoisonous frogs.
We got poisonous tree frogs.
Why can't we have a poisonousworm?
Mell (20:39):
I mean, I'm not eating caterpillars since I got out of
the army here's what's weirdmongolian was controlled by the
soviet union up until 1990 andbecause of that, anything 1990,
you can't really look for anykind of evidence because you
know, obviously, the SovietUnion, the way they track things
(21:02):
and document things, verydifferent from here in the West.
You could say that, yeah, maybejust a little.
Tommy (21:08):
A wee bit.
Their logging process sucks,even though it does.
Yeah, their logging processsucks, even though it does yeah.
Mell (21:14):
So legend says.
Now this is what I think isalso kind of odd that when this
creature is going to start toattack, right, it raises half
its body out of the sand, puffsitself up until it explodes, and
then the poison goes all overeverybody.
Evan (21:34):
Everything dies instantly so wait, it's a suicide worm as
well that's what I was gonna ask.
Mell (21:39):
Is it like a suicide worm?
Tommy (21:41):
I'm thinking what it is is kind of like a uh, uh, like a
puffer fish, how it blowsitself up but in order for it to
spew it's got to compress, likebuild up the air inside like a
compressor, and then it spews itout, probably.
Mell (21:55):
Kind of like explosive diarrhea.
Evan, you're about to be a newdad, so you're going to learn
this.
It's called blowouts.
Tommy (22:05):
It's alright to be peed and pooped on by your baby.
By other people, not really.
Evan (22:10):
By other people, not really so also, how would people
know this story about if itblows up and kills everything
nearby?
Mell (22:27):
Maybe they watched it blow up and kill somebody else.
Tommy (22:31):
They could have.
Think about it.
Just because it hit somebodydoesn't mean it hit everybody.
You're right In more ways thanone.
I've been the inappropriate onetonight.
Usually it's you or Wes andEvan.
Usually you guys are over theresnickering, but tonight it's
been me.
Mell (22:51):
Yes, which?
Is ironic, because your avatardoes make you look like jesus
you're healed okay you'reforgiven for all the sins, of
all the cryptids, and, and thereare some really rando ones out
there.
(23:11):
This is, you know.
Come on, man, I'm it's a wildone.
Yeah, no, I just think this ismongolian folklore I mean, that
does seem like what it is.
Tommy (23:25):
Yes, yeah, I mean imagine , like them, holding down
somebody, and let's just saythat this worm doesn't have the
immediate like death, but itdoes build up and they did like
the wrath of con where they putit like on you or in you.
That'd be kind of messed up.
Evan (23:45):
Yeah, it's fucked up.
I will agree with you that thisdoes just seem like Mongolian
folklore Folklore.
However, there are other onesin, in other cultures mongolian
death worms?
No death worms you know in away.
Yes, there is something calledthe guh.
(24:05):
The guh is how it's spelled,yeah, also known as the yukon
worm, and it is a cryptidinvertebrate rumored to inhabit
the St Elias Mountains locatedin the Canadian territory of
Yukon.
Mell (24:21):
Canadia finally got something.
Evan (24:24):
Yeah, they have, and apparently I guess there's some
natives up there I don't knowhow to pronounce their names
Tuchone.
Mell (24:32):
I don't know they're First Nation.
Evan (24:34):
Yeah, t-u-t-c-h-o-n-e.
I don't know their first nation.
Yeah, t-u-t-c-h-o-n-e.
I don't know, southern touchone.
People have accounts of theseyukon giant worms up there so
this is called the yukon deathworm yukon giant worm is what
they're called, also also calledduh duh so this good, I mean,
(24:58):
there are no deserts up incanadia.
Mell (25:01):
No, no that irritates my husband so much when I call it
canadia, because he's you know,he's canadian and it's canada
it's kind of a desert in a waythat it's nothing but forest.
So that's nothing like a desert.
Evan (25:14):
It's a forest desert.
Mell (25:17):
No, bro, that doesn't work .
You're dumbass.
It's kind of like a desert justcovered in forest Just covered
in trees instead of sand.
Yes, yeah, no, that's a forestTotally different ecosystem,
yeah.
Oh, different ecosystem, yeah.
Tommy (25:37):
Oh yeah.
Evan (25:39):
What a douche.
Does it?
Mell (25:41):
look the same allegedly.
Evan (25:43):
They're apparently like, almost black in appearance and
they are in length comparable tobears, whatever that means.
So maybe up to six feet, sevenfeet, ten feet somewhere in that
general region, about as longas a bear, huh.
But they're also big giantworms or caterpillar type things
(26:05):
.
Mell (26:05):
And they.
I see here that someone saw ithanging out in a tree.
You know how they say there arealligators in the sewers,
Alligators in the sewers.
Evan (26:14):
So yeah, that's not anything like a desert well, no,
it's not a desert, but there'sa big worm, but worms go down
well, this one could be a wormand down under the soil, you
know yeah, so I think it's Don'tbelieve it for a second.
Yeah, yeah, it's time to callbullshit.
Tommy (26:36):
Bullshit on what?
Every fucking thing.
Evan (26:39):
Okay.
Well, there's also these realthings called killer centipedes
lurking in the rainforest ofSouth America, and these are
real worms.
Mell (26:48):
How big do they get?
Evan (26:50):
Usually only up to like at max.
I think they're about 18 inches, so obviously not several feet,
but they are big ass centipedesthat do feed on, like frogs and
tarantulas, birds, rodents, youknow all kinds of stuff.
Mell (27:04):
Well, I don't know if that was real or not, but in 1909,
there was a journalist who wastalking about the ice worms in
the Yukon.
Did you hear about that?
Tommy (27:15):
I didn't.
Are you talking about the thingthat was made up?
By what was it Discovery thoseice worms?
Mell (27:21):
No, this was back in 1909.
Discovery wasn't around then.
Tommy (27:25):
Yeah, but there's something about ice worms that
Discovery did years ago, Okayice worms go.
Mell (27:38):
Apparently they do exist.
Ice worms did exist on thecoastal glaciers of Alaska,
British Columbia and the Yukon.
There was a biologist atRutgers University, Dan Shane.
He studied the life of the iceworm in North Americaica, and so
yeah, he spent an entire summertrekking over coastal glaciers
(27:58):
to find out everything he could.
He actually has jars of them inhis lab he was able to extract
dna from them, and so the iceworm actually might be the most
highly adapted multi-celledcreature on the planet.
But they're small.
They're not big either, they'relittle.
They're about one to twocentimeters long.
(28:19):
They look kind of like a pieceof yarn on ice, I guess.
Evan (28:22):
They don't kill you.
Mell (28:23):
Well, they have really big mouths.
Evan (28:27):
Relative to its size.
Mell (28:28):
I imagine yeah, so I guess no, that would be a no.
Yeah, so I guess no, that wouldbe a no.
But apparently back in 1909 itwas described as uh, one and a
half meters long, with a head onboth ends of its body.
Evan (28:44):
So I've spent, uh, I spent some time up in the yukon in
the yukon training area and, uh,I never seen no big ass ice
worms, nothing like that.
But I also wouldn't really lookin you know.
Mell (28:56):
But then these ice worms that this biologist found at
Rutgers.
Again, they're only just acouple of centimeters long, so I
guess they don't count.
So there's that.
Evan (29:07):
Well, we do know there's worms in the ice, so that's,
that's information we didn'thave before.
Tommy (29:14):
I think a lot of this has been information we haven't had
before I think it's great.
Evan (29:17):
Yeah, it's pretty good I mean it's.
Mell (29:20):
I will say this is one of the more creative cryptids you
know.
Listen, asian folk don't fuckaround when it comes to hey.
If we're gonna make up someshit, we're gonna make up a
monster.
It's gonna be a damn goodmonster it's gonna be terrifying
yeah, terrifying.
Evan (29:34):
Yeah, and instantly kill you.
Mell (29:35):
And maybe if we're pulling off of what Tommy said, instead
of hey, we're warning our kidswhen you go play out in the Gobi
Desert, never to be seen againbecause you're going to die of
dehydration and sun exposure,the way to prevent that is to
create this Mongolian death worm.
This is why you don't ventureout into a vast desert, Not
(29:59):
because you're just going to die, but because of the worms.
Tommy (30:02):
And I'm still thinking that the desert wasn't as dry as
it is now.
I'm still thinking that itcould have a stream.
Maybe there was some brushtrees, that kind of stuff.
Then it wouldn't be a desert.
We're calling it a desert nowBecause it's a fucking desert,
but you got to think a thousandyears ago the Earth's surface
(30:23):
could have changed.
Mell (30:25):
Yeah.
Evan (30:26):
It most definitely did.
Mell (30:29):
Yeah.
Evan (30:30):
Over time.
Mell (30:30):
But the Gobi Desert.
It's saying here that the GobiDesert landscape was formed at
the squiggle line 2.6, capital M, small a.
What does that mean?
Approximately 2.6 million yearsago?
Oh well, why didn't they justwrite that?
Tommy (30:52):
You said approximate to squiggly line.
Like I'm over here likesquiggly line you're so dumb you
are really dumb for real yeah,yeah, I feel like you just gave
us like a star trek intro starteight, six, nine to the point
eight, listen I don't scientificmath either to the squiggly
(31:19):
line I don't need your judgment.
Evan (31:23):
Okay, I feel well I mean tommy's, not too wrong.
You know the goby desert, Ithink at one time was under the
ocean yeah, over 2.6 millionyears ago well, that could be
just a prehistoric relative thatsomehow figured out how to
adapt and live underneath thesand instead of under the water.
Mell (31:42):
Yeah, I don't know but when you're looking life is
weird when you're looking up thehistory of the mongolian death
worm, they said that it wasmostly seen in the 1950s.
That shit was a desert man Imean yes, yes yeah, but you said
the story was over like athousand years old and that's
what made me start thinking thegoby desert was a dry ass sand
(32:06):
dune of a desert a thousandyears ago well, the, the death
worm, could be older than athousand years.
Evan (32:12):
People could have been dealing with it more than a
thousand years ago.
They just weren't talking aboutit or writing it down.
Tommy (32:17):
Or they talk about it and the story just got passed down.
Yeah, exactly.
Mell (32:23):
Yeah, I don't think so.
Evan (32:25):
I mean, I don't know either, man, I'm going to agree.
Tommy (32:28):
That's why we're on this podcast we don't know Right
Don't ever say that shit again.
Mell (32:37):
We don't.
We can only theory-, we canonly theory-erize.
Yeah, thank you.
Evan (32:39):
If people are listening to this, thinking that we're
experts, you're wrong.
Mell (32:43):
Clearly we're a bunch of dumb fucks at this point.
Never mind the degrees that wehave.
We're stupid as shit.
Tommy (32:53):
We're just having a good time.
My mama said.
My mama said alligators arebecause they got all them teeth.
Evan (33:11):
Well, that was all right, we got that out of our system
mongolian death worm.
Completely no fake yeah, I meanyou, probably just a myth, in
my opinion what do you mean?
Mell (33:22):
probably?
Evan (33:23):
all right, it's just a fucking myth.
Tommy (33:24):
Okay, it's just yeah for me it's a myth, it's a bit it is
I mean, I gave up ideas, but tome it's still a myth yeah, I
mean it's a cool myth, but it is, it's a myth I will say the
pictures that people havecreated for them.
Mell (33:39):
I am impressed.
Yeah, I am impressed am I gonnarun?
Out and watch that movie.
Evan (33:45):
Mongolian death, worm death rises from deep below fuck
, no sounds pretty good hell Ijust knew it as a Mongolian
death worm nobody even mentionedthe giant desert worm pit thing
in Star Wars that Boba Fettfalls into there was a Mongolian
(34:06):
death worm in Star Wars no, butit's a giant ass.
You know, pit of teeth likeworm thing in the desert.
Mell (34:14):
Oh, I bet you, it's based off of this.
Evan (34:16):
I just figured we needed to mention it for all the nerds
out there.
So well, you guys are nerds bro, you're on a fucking paranormal
podcast talking about Mongoliandeath worms.
Mell (34:24):
You're a fucking nerd too well, if you want to bring it up
like that, well fine, I'm notbeing on a podcast.
Tommy (34:33):
I feel unwell then I'd be back again all right, fair
enough.
Evan (34:40):
Well, if, if you you know folks, if you got, if you got
worms in the desert the fuck areyou doing?
Tommy (34:50):
I don't even know where he's going at.
Hold up, hold up.
Mell (34:52):
I don't know where I'm going, man don't look at it.
Wear dark glasses wear glovesand have your hot dog tongs on
you, you can make a lot of money.
Worms in the desert oh shit, itis what it is, bro.
Don't let your kids go play inthe desert.
(35:13):
That'd be frowned upon too.
Tommy (35:15):
No, if your kid comes up to you like hey, I found a worm
in the sandbox.
It's not a worm.
Just go ahead and wash yourkid's hands off and go home, oh
man.
Evan (35:30):
Alright, on that note, everybody go fuck yourselves.
Good night, good night.
Mell (35:34):
Good night, oh my God.
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