June 22, 2024 • 33 mins
Not only do we question if the Kraken was ever real, but we explore whether it was a giant squid or giant octopus if it did exist. Join us as we delve into the deep legendary history of the Kraken. What do you think? As always, additional information can be found in the links below:
University of Washington's Interactive Oceans article on the Kraken
"The real-life origins of the legendary Kraken" - PhysOrg (ScienceX)
"Kraken: Monster of the Deep" - Joe Nickell, Skeptical Inquirer
"A Deep Dive on the Kraken, a Shipwrecking Sea Monster" - Nicole Antonio
"The Kraken: when myth encounters science" - Scientific Library Online Brazil
"Kraken and Giant Squid: Creatures of the Deep" - Westport Library
"The Kraken Is Real: Scientist Films First Footage Of A Giant Squid" - NPR
Please visit our website: www.militaryveteransparanormal.com for access to more information about this episode and others, as well as other research and investigations we've done.
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Evan (00:05):
welcome back to mvps.
What the, what the, what thewhat the paranormal podcast,
where we talk about, well,everything the paranormal
encompasses.
So you ready, let's do this.
All right, crack on then dothis?
Wes (00:31):
all right, crack on, then crack in.
Ah, fucking name drop.
All right, are we?
Evan (00:32):
ready or what?
Yeah, we're, yeah, we're there.
All right, all right, I'm gonnaread you guys a little
something.
Just just be prepared.
Below the thunders of the upperdeep, far, far beneath the
abysmal sea, is ancient,dreamless, uninvaded sleep.
The Kraken Sleepus, dun dun dun.
(00:55):
Oh shit, I was going to ask ifthat was it.
Wes (01:02):
I was waiting for something else, man, I was waiting for
something else man.
Evan (01:04):
That's a little snippet of a poem written called the
Kraken by Lord Alfred Tennyson.
He's a Victorian poet in the1800s.
Mell (01:14):
Yes, I do know Tennyson Lord.
Yes.
Wes (01:17):
He's a lord, I'm a lord.
Did you know that?
No I mean I did, I did not, yes, you did you did Evan, you did
know I was a lord and Tiffany isa lady.
Mell (01:29):
From what?
What are you talking about?
Evan (01:31):
Explain Elaborate.
Wes (01:33):
Oh, we bought.
I think it's one by one squarefoot.
Mell (01:40):
Oh no, stop it.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Tommy (01:47):
They planted trees for us , us and they sent us paperwork.
We have documentation.
They carve your guys's names inthe tree.
Wes (01:51):
No, but what I am gonna do is I want to wait for maturity
and I'm gonna go there and I'mgonna cut my fucking tree down
because it's mine no, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna build something, ohshit, but but I'm going to show
up, cut our fucking trees down,turn them into timbers and build
something you know I'llprobably replant a tree.
(02:13):
Well, to put back what you take.
Mell (02:16):
You know you're not really a lord or a lady.
I hate to break that to you.
Wes (02:20):
Listen to me, mel, if I could.
Tommy (02:22):
She's all about destroying people instead of
being like hey, good job on yourone by one yeah, thank you.
Wes (02:28):
You know what thank you I'm sorry that it's not real here
comes fucking mel, you know sowelcome mel's comments.
Tommy (02:38):
Doesn't even know.
She just cuts through peoplejust like here.
Wes (02:41):
She comes to wreck the day she's like oh, you really like
that um no sorry no, sorry tobreak it to you.
Mell (02:50):
Oh, you think?
You won the lottery, fuck noand tommy is the on location in
some random bathroom in virginiaI'm not in a bathroom.
Evan (02:58):
I'm in a bedroom, well I mean, it sounds like your audio
begs to differ.
Mell (03:04):
So sorry about his audio.
Evan (03:06):
All right, you crazy listeners out there.
We are talking aboutcryptozoology this whole season,
so this week we're talkingabout the Kraken, the mystical
crazy tentacle monster in thesea, allegedly Is it though?
Let's go down the rabbit holetogether.
So the kraken, yeah, perhapsthe largest, you know, most
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terrifying monster that has everthreatened mankind, apparently,
allegedly or not allegedly,apparently, I didn't know this,
but the kraken actuallyoriginates in nordic folklore
from norway yes, yes, it doessir I was of this.
I always associated the Krakenwith high seas piracy and was
like, yeah, that makes sense.
(03:49):
Pirates.
Wes (03:50):
Yeah.
Evan (03:52):
Anyway.
So in Norway it was said tohaunt the seas across Norway,
through Iceland and all the wayup to Greenland.
The Kraken apparently had aknack for harassing ships and
many said it would attack thevessels with its big, strong
tentacle arms.
And if this strategy failed,the beast it would start
swimming in circles around theship, creating a fierce
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maelstrom to drag the vesseldown.
Mell (04:17):
I don't like the ocean as it is.
Now I don't like it even more.
Evan (04:21):
Yeah, mail, don't do water .
Mell (04:22):
I don't no Large expansive bodies of water.
Mail don't do water.
I don't I know large expansivebodies of water.
Wes (04:27):
Mel don't water.
Why have you ever seen castaway?
Evan (04:31):
um yeah, have you watched jaws until you know what's in
that water?
Yeah all right man.
So the?
The legends say that the krakencould devour a ship's entire
crew all at once, but despiteits fearsome reputation, the
monster could also bring somebenefits at times.
Apparently, when it swam acrossthe ocean, it was accompanied
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by huge schools of fish thatcascaded down all around it.
The brave fishermen out on theseas could risk going near that
beast to get a bounteous catch,but they also risk losing their
lives.
Hold on, pump the fuckingbrakes.
Wes (05:09):
All right, so they knew of the kraken?
Yeah, they knew this beast wasthe reasoning for all of these
fish.
Yes, yet they would still gotempt fate and play with fire.
A man gotta eat, you know yeah,yeah motherfucker, you could
(05:31):
catch fish by the bank, bro.
I do it all the time, you'renot wrong.
I could tell me there's akraken swimming around and
you're like dude, there's 10pound bass out there.
Tommy (05:42):
I'm like there's a pond down the road yeah, but a lot of
times, like the economy downsouth that catches all the you
know seafood and all that stuff,they're out there trawling I've
seen.
Wes (05:52):
I've seen forest gump.
I know, I know how this worksI'm tracking, I'm just saying
that's, that's fucking ballsy,don't you think?
Mell (06:02):
I yes, well, yeah, but they're not just feeding oneself
, they're feeding like thetownship.
Well, maybe they should fuckingteach.
Wes (06:10):
Uh, you know, teach.
Teach the people to eat less,you know.
Then fewer fish could gofurther and they wouldn't have
to go out there and battle atentacled fucking beast for, you
know, some sea bass.
Look, I see where you're comingfrom.
Evan (06:22):
Don't shoot the messenger, you know, I'm just look, I see
where you're coming from.
Wes (06:25):
I'm not, don't shoot the messenger, you know I'm just
telling you what they did.
My apologies, sir, I tip my hatbow away oh shit.
Evan (06:35):
As far as I can tell, the earliest history mentioning of
the kraken goes back to anaccount written in 1180 by King
Svir of Norway.
I don't know how you say hisname.
I believe it's pronounced Spear.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think so.
But carrying on from, thereDouche.
Mell (06:57):
Okay, so it was first reported when.
Evan (07:01):
As far as I can tell, the earliest writings about it,
about the creature creature, areback in 1180 that's crazy dude.
Wes (07:08):
I didn't find anything that far back oh yeah, it's.
Evan (07:12):
That's as far back as I could trace it, but what was um?
Wes (07:15):
what was that one talking about?
Evan (07:17):
I don't know, I couldn't actually find the written text
or anything, or you know, but Idid it just of other accounts,
talking about that accountessentially yeah, I mean it was.
Mell (07:28):
It's been embedded in scandinavian folklore though
yeah yeah, absolutely it'spretty fucking wild.
Wes (07:35):
You know all I mean shit.
If, uh, if the vikings and allthem crazy bearded cats didn't
have enough to deal with, youknow the fucking kraken, I feel
like that's uh, you know that'sthe godzilla of the time, maybe
well, I mean, it was writtenback in inch.
Mell (07:52):
It was written about in ancient greece as well aristotle
, uh, pliny kraken, yeah itwasn't necessarily referred to
as the kraken it was.
Evan (08:01):
It was a, you know, a tentacle sea monster,
essentially they.
Tommy (08:04):
They called it a a toothos, which means squid now,
if you guys do the like theyoutube videos of like uh squids
trying to feel around onpeople's rafts or their boats,
like they'll actually get theirtentacles up and start feeling
around like grabbing it, I can.
I can visualize a kraken now.
The reports that I saw hadkrakens where it would take two
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of its arms or tentacles andwrap it actually around the boat
itself.
They would have teams thatwould have to stab this thing
and axe it.
Yeah, so they actually hadteams that would be on call for
that purpose.
Wes (08:47):
The battle stations.
Mell (08:49):
So back in Norway, as the whole myth would grow and grow
and grow and you would you know,the carcasses would come up on
shore, maybe just like regularsquid or whatever.
But they interpreted that to bea message from either God or
the devil and they called themsea angels.
(09:10):
Really, yeah, interesting.
In Japan there were evenpictures of it or drawings.
They would translate thatpicture and then draw sea monks
and bishops, and that's whythere are sometimes figurines.
Evan (09:29):
Oh, I've seen some of those pictures.
Those are weird as shit.
Mell (09:33):
It's because of these.
Evan (09:35):
It's like a man in a squid's body.
Mell (09:38):
Yeah, like.
Evan (09:38):
Squidward, I mean yeah, kind of.
Tommy (09:41):
I would think more like Ursula from Little Mermaid.
Wes (09:45):
Oh, dear God, what an evil bitch she is, man.
That's an evil bitch rightthere Just saying.
Mell (09:55):
So how does that relate to ?
How does the Kraken relate tothe paranormal per se with
crypto Like, are people notthinking that Kraken are real?
Evan (10:05):
Well, for the longest time , you know it was a, you know, a
legend essentially.
I mean, people believed in it.
You know, especially like inthe 1700s.
You know it was written aboutin numerous different, uh, texts
and stuff.
In particular, in 1753, thenorwegian bishop, eric
(10:26):
pontopadin I don't know how tosay his fucking name he was the
first one to really popularizethe Kraken to the rest of the
world.
He described it as a multiplearmed giant sea octopus,
essentially, and described itsdestructive potential, as he
said.
It was said that if thecreature's arms were to lay hold
of the largest man of warship,it would pull it down to the
(10:48):
bottom okay, so the scariestenvironment imaginable.
Wes (10:52):
Thanks, that's all you gotta say.
Evan (10:53):
Scariest environment imaginable yeah and then there's
all kind of other different uhstories and stuff about it and
you know it seems to be a lot ofthem from the 1700s and early
1800s yeah, I found a bunch ofstuff during the 1700s, but you
know a bunch of uh, I mean now,I guess we would call them short
stories you know, but they'reall just uh encounters that
(11:17):
allegedly took place yeah, but Iwas just thinking like,
visualize even our viewers tothink about this like, uh, what
is it?
Tommy (11:24):
pirates of caribbean?
They got a kraken on there thatpulls down that boat.
So you can just imagine beingon that boat, and I'm not saying
be chained or kissed by a girl,I'm saying like that's your
only life raft before you enterthe water and also this thing
just reaches up and just tearsapart your mask and cut your
boat in half, like that's a realdeal well, I don't get what
(11:45):
you're talking about uh, couldit also be like folklore?
Uh, the like scare people fromtrying to go out onto the water.
Mell (11:53):
I don't I don't think that they made the folklore based to
try and prevent anything.
I think the folklore originatedfrom a sighting of a giant
squid yeah, yeah, okay Can weclarify this for a second.
Is it a squid or is it anoctopus?
Wes (12:10):
No, it's a squid.
Evan (12:11):
It is a squid Well yeah, and before that we clarified
this that in the 1800s it wasthought to be a giant sea
octopus.
That's what the Kraken wasassumed to be.
It was assumed to be a giantsea octopus.
That's what the kraken wasassumed to be.
Wes (12:27):
It was assumed to be a giant octopus that would cling,
evan, and I talked about this,the fact that the I mean the
kraken right is essentially thethe the largest of the giant
squid right.
Evan, that's kind of what wewere talking about the fact that
you could have a super-sizedgiant squid and that would
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essentially be, you know, thekraken well, what do you?
Mell (12:54):
what do you mean by super size?
I mean, you know, you've got aregular fry, you've got a medium
fries, you've got a large friesand then you got super size.
So when you say super sized,how big are we actually?
Wes (13:09):
I mean giant, giant, squid, 50 feet.
Is that what they are?
Tommy (13:14):
tentacles and yes, a giant squid.
Wes (13:18):
If it's 50 feet, all right, that's a giant squid.
Do you think 50 feet oftentacles could take a man of
war ship down?
No fucking way right.
So you would have to supersizethat fucking thing.
You would have to scale thatthing up like godzilla, bro.
Tommy (13:34):
No joke, that would be a kraken I was gonna say you take
your 50 feet and you times it by100 gives you 500 feet, and
that's probably I'm thinkingit's going to be around that big
what the fuck kind of math areyou doing?
Because the man of war was like500 feet, so it has to be
around a thousand, probablydouble that.
Mell (13:55):
So scientists are saying I don't want to just speculate
here scientists are saying thatif it were real, if let's say it
was a prehistoric animal, okay,then it'd be longer than a blue
whale, but not heavier.
Wes (14:12):
And so they're saying about 100 feet long and weigh about
two tons, 43 feet 43 feet iswhat they say the estimated
largest yeah, the largest giantsquid would be there's a dude.
There's no way.
There's no way you're takingdown a giant, especially, you
(14:33):
know, a man of worship.
Those are fucking huge dude.
Mell (14:36):
That's not big enough to take those down well, aren't
they strong, though it's notjust about size no.
Wes (14:44):
No, yes, they are strong, but you're talking 50 feet dude.
From the waterline to the topof the mast is over 50 feet.
Mell (14:54):
So maybe it was bigger than that.
Wes (14:57):
It would have to be.
I mean the Kraken itself.
Mell (14:59):
yeah, would have to be 2013 was the first video that
they caught of a gigantic squidswimming 2000 feet below the
surface of the Pacific Ocean,and they were able to catch it
and the squid on record was 55feet long.
(15:19):
But then, in 2019, they caughtanother video of this thing and
they said it was just absolutelymassive yeah, man.
Wes (15:30):
And what were they using to scale this 2 000 feet below?
Like what?
Was this just imagery?
Like was this uh down imaging?
Like what?
What were they using?
Evan (15:40):
they have ways of measuring things through their
cameras.
These days they have measuringdevices built in and shit.
Mell (15:46):
So they have these things down there that able to.
They know the lengths of thesepoles and and how long it goes
down, and so when they were ableto catch it on film, they saw
the length of where it startedand because they knew how long
these things are down underwater, that's how they were able to
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figure it out all right, so how?
Big was that one I thought yousaid 55 one of the one in 2013
was 55 feet long.
Wes (16:15):
Okay yeah, but we're still talking giant squid here, like
that's what that is.
Tommy (16:20):
That's a giant squid I mean, it could have been a baby.
This is growing okay.
Wes (16:25):
Yes, I, I agree with that.
So my, my thought between thegiant squid, all right, in a
kraken, because, mel, you wereasking, you know the difference,
right.
So I, I would say, you know,roughly speaking, right, you
take like a Komodo dragon, right, that's a big fucking lizard,
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right, it's a huge lizard.
But then you look at Godzilla,that's a way bigger fucking
lizard, right?
That would have to be thedifference between a giant squid
and a kraken.
In order to be scaled up enoughto pull a fucking ship
underwater, you would have to bebigger than that well, maybe
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they were back then.
Mell (17:10):
I mean, you know, evolution and our times have
changed uh, there's the watersin the oceans have changed, ph
balances have changed with themelting of the ice caps and
everything else like that.
So maybe maybe you know theirecosystem is not supportive for
them anymore and or maybe wejust don't see them.
(17:33):
Like the NOAA ocean explorationteam of scientists that
recorded the, the 2019, theysaid that this was a juvenile
giant squid, this was just ababy, and that's what they're
saying, that the kraken is isjust a giant squid.
So what if it's just evolved tobe smaller?
Tommy (17:54):
55 feet to me is pretty big, but I'm still timesing that
by 100.
Wes (17:59):
Yeah.
Evan (18:00):
I agree.
Mell (18:01):
It's called the Architeuthis dux.
Wes (18:04):
What the giant squid.
Mell (18:05):
That's a scientific name for it.
Yeah, and the eyes are the sizeof basketballs the biggest eyes
in the animal kingdom it.
Evan (18:13):
It's probably just to see well enough in the dark all the
way down there in the deep well,that's what you have to
understand is that giant squidslive, you know, thousands of
feet below the surface of thewater, where it's really dark,
really cold.
They only come up to surface,not very often at all, and
usually it's only when to die.
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That's when they come up to thesurface.
Mell (18:36):
So when I'm looking at things like this, the giant
squid, maybe the Kraken, waswhat they evolved.
Wes (18:43):
The giant squid evolved from was what they evolved, the
giant squid evolved from.
Yeah, yeah, I could get behindthat.
No, I agree.
I think that out of all of the,the weird fucking trippy ass
shit, you know that uh creepspeople out, the things people
talk about, you know that may ormay not be real.
(19:04):
I think that the kraken has gotto, has got to be running the
gauntlet for the most likely toactually fucking exist man
absolutely I mean, the onlyreason we even know that the the
giant squig exists is becauseof finding carcasses washed up,
(19:25):
you know, or floating in the sea.
That's, that's how we foundthem it wasn't until the
recently that we actually gotphoto and video evidence of them
.
Yeah, I mean up until that Imean it was, yeah, like these
things probably exist, you know,because you'd find pieces and
well, did you know that there is?
Evan (19:46):
yes, there's a giant squid , but there's also colossal
squids bro come on, now dollcome on man, I did, I did know
about that.
That's what they found okay,wait a minute way, way down
south right they found one ofthose floating um colossal
squids are only native toantarctic waters yeah, that's
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where they found the big onefloating in the water right and
they have it onto that ship theyare much, much larger in their
body, but their tentacles don'treach out as long as the giant
squids, but their bodies aremassive I agree with you, west.
Mell (20:22):
I think this is, of all of the weirdo things out there,
this is one that is very, very,very plausible.
So whether or not the krakenexists now, I think it's
possible.
Whether it existed way backthen, absolutely I.
I think, if anything the itcould have been prehistoric.
Wes (20:46):
Well, fuck the giant squids or colossal squids, whatever
they were Once upon a time.
I'm fairly confident man, Iread those things used to feed
on fucking whales, dude.
Mell (21:02):
Come on, that's just a real snack.
Evan (21:04):
It's just a real snack.
It isn't food.
It's a real snack, it's just areal snack.
Mell (21:07):
It eats its food.
It's a real snack.
Evan (21:08):
Well, they battle.
Giant squids do battle withsperm whales all the time.
That's why you see sperm whaleshave these big gnarly gashes on
them and tentacle marks allover them.
Wes (21:22):
Because that's their only predator is the sperm whale.
How fucking wild is that.
Mell (21:24):
So a colossal squid has hooks sperm whale.
Evan (21:28):
How fucking wild is that?
So a colossal squid has hooks?
Yeah, in in the giant squid'stentacle, inside the suckers on
the tentacles have like, theyhave a ring of of teeth like
hooks.
It's like a serrated ring allthe way around inside.
Mell (21:37):
Yes, sucker, they pull big bites out yeah so think about
this then if a colossal squidattacked a man of worship, it
absolutely could sink it andpull it under, just with those
things, because then let's say,if they remove it, you got holes
, or if it can take a chunk outof a boat I guess it's plausible
that it could damage a shipenough to, you know, make it
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gain so much water that it wouldsink it.
The the Titanic got taken outby a fucking iceberg.
That was shitty riveting,shitty riveting.
Wes (22:10):
There were no rivets on a man of worship.
Evan (22:13):
You're right, it was wood, not steel.
Exactly.
Mell (22:17):
So they could rip it out.
They could.
If they're taking chunks out,you know they can rip out a
chunk of wood.
You're just, you're going tosink, and I'm not saying I'm
going to say it.
The soldiers or the sailors, Imean, would be scared shitless.
So they're going to.
And those that survived, youknow their memories are going to
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play tricks on them and they'reprobably exaggerating how big
or it came up, but that's not tosay that it didn't take the
shit down I don't know, eveneven with the weaponry right,
that these fucking things hadhold it up right here.
Wes (22:56):
A man of worship was over 60 meters long and weighed over
a thousand tons, and you'retelling me that a giant squid
could tear enough out of that.
I, I don't know.
Man, a kraken, yes kraken.
Mell (23:15):
I'm telling you a.
I'm telling you a kraken couldand I'm telling you a colossal
squid could that's wood, I mean.
And if it's underneath it first, and it takes a big chunk out,
from underneath the ship first,and then from various sides it's
ripping it out because it'sthat big.
Yeah, absolutely.
(23:36):
And where are they gonna shoottheir cannons at themselves?
Evan (23:40):
it's too close, it's stuck to the muskets are not going to
do shit to it and becausethere's there's been several
accounts written about peoplefiring muskets at these things,
and they just didn't do much toit.
Tommy (23:49):
I've read a bunch about that too yeah, like I told you,
they had a crew with axes andswords that would try to chop
this thing up as best aspossible I do have a question,
as we're talking about, you knowbody, mass and size and
everything.
Wes (24:05):
Evan, you said that they have the largest eyes in the
animal kingdom.
Yes, yeah, does that mean theyhave the largest beak as well?
Evan (24:17):
I would assume so, but don't quote me on that because I
don't know.
I know their beak is absolutelymassive.
Wes (24:22):
The beak itself is like bigger than your head yeah, I'm
trying to think of somethingthat would have a larger beak.
Um, it's just interesting to me, is all.
Mell (24:32):
I'm not 100 sure so in his first edition of systema
naturae in 1735naeus, heactually classified the kraken
as a cephalopod.
He gave it a name.
Wes (24:44):
He gave it the kraken name, yeah.
Mell (24:47):
No, he gave it the name Microcosmus marinus.
That's a major appliance.
That's not a name, it's aunique monster inhabiting the
seas of Norway.
I mean, it's also in thenatural history of norway, book
um of 1752, eric pontippontipedon is he the one that
(25:09):
has the picture in the book?
Evan (25:11):
about it.
I couldn't tell you.
I haven't read the book?
Mell (25:13):
well, no, I mean when you did your research, is he the one
that said um, it creates thewhirlpool when it sinks it.
Okay, so yeah, that explains ittoo.
It will create this giant.
Wes (25:27):
it'll grab onto the ship create this giant whirlpool and
suck it under and imagine themass.
You would have to have to beable to move enough water to
create such a thing.
Just how?
Strong you would have to beable to move enough water to
create such a thing, just howstrong you would have to be man
like I mean, think about whenyou're in the backyard at the
(25:48):
pool, you know, and you get fiveor six drunk friends to fucking
run circles around the pool,you know what I'm talking about
though, but you're barelycausing enough ruckus to suck,
you know, a tiny child into thecenter of that.
Imagine how big you would haveto be to force a boat under the
(26:08):
water.
Mell (26:08):
That's fucking wild yeah, they're saying, though, that
that's very plausible.
Now, giant, just giant squidsnot even the colossal squids,
they can create whirlpools.
So when it sinks, when thesquid sinks, it naturally
creates this whirlpool.
Wes (26:29):
That can I could see that, uh, that it using that as almost
a hunting technique.
You know, um, maybe it forces aschool of fish, you know, or
whatever, to the surface andthen dives or does whatever to
pull those fish.
You know what I'm talking about, tommy.
Tommy (26:48):
Yeah, I can see that Like kind of like, kind of like
killer whales, how they they'llteam up and make a bigger way to
blast the whales off.
That's their hunting techniques.
And it could be that thistechnique is to bring it down to
the ground.
So it's so low that when itsnaps it it could just keep it
going.
Wes (27:08):
It could yeah, right, I I I have a question really fast.
Um, everybody did a light bitof research on this subject, I
assume yeah yeah, did anybody inthere investigating make any
connection between you?
(27:29):
Know the kraken?
Evan (27:31):
and uh cthulhu like uh no, because cthulhu is a fictional
being.
You know, uh made up by hplovecraft is that what it was?
Wes (27:44):
yes, see, dude, the internet fucking trips me out
sometimes, man.
Is that what?
It is what?
Evan (27:51):
what katulu is yeah yeah, no, fucking you can.
Hp lovecraft wrote the book thecall of Cthulhu.
No shit In the 1920s.
No, the Cthulhu mythos wascompletely fabricated by HP
Lovecraft in his stories Dude.
Mell (28:11):
Genius?
Do you think he based it off ofCthulhu?
Evan (28:14):
It's said that he did, that.
He took inspiration fromcertain things like that.
But you know, I don't know.
But HP Lovecraft writes somereally wild, crazy stuff.
I've got uh, I think I've gothis entire collection here at
the house dude, you squared meaway, bro.
Wes (28:29):
I had no idea.
Evan (28:30):
I I thought that was more of a fable than, uh, you know, a
creation no, and the way hewrote it, it sounds like it's,
like it's because it's writtenfrom the point of view of like
this investigator, or like a,like a journalist, and it sounds
real.
Mell (28:49):
So did you guys know that in 1873, there were three
fishermen in Newfoundland thatsaid a giant squid tried to sink
their boat and they fought itoff but they were able to get 19
feet of tentacle I don't knowif I read that one so if they
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were able to get 19 feet oftentacle, that's just the
tentacle.
How big do you think this thingwas?
Evan (29:16):
53, and that was an attack on a 150 ton ship called the
peril.
Mell (29:23):
So come on brah.
Evan (29:24):
The crew literally had to fight it off with axes and
cutlasses.
Mell (29:28):
That's wait, what?
That's how they stop it.
Evan (29:34):
It pulled the tentacles, pulled the ship, got ahold of
the rigging on the ship andactually pulled it over and
another ship had to come in andactually rescue the survivors
wow, so that's telling me, I, I,I, I think it's the kraken
let's go on a carnival cruisewell, you also have to
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understand
Mell (29:57):
oh, I don't cruise only like 80 percent.
Evan (30:00):
Like 80 percent of our oceans are still unexplored.
We have no idea what's downthere.
Mell (30:06):
They found a carcass washed up in Tasmania and its
tentacles measured 26 feet,which is the length of a bus.
Tommy (30:15):
Yeah, I still think that if we're talking about the
Kraken, it had to be like 100yards a tentacle.
Wes (30:22):
Yeah, man, just look at the picture behind your fucking
dude, I know.
Look at, look at the size ofthose tentacles bro but that's
probably just a little, that's.
Tommy (30:32):
That's obviously no, I mean, but that's how I figure.
That's how I would figure thekraken would be like that I
agree, tommy.
Wes (30:42):
I don't think that we have seen anything as large as the
quote unquote kraken.
All right, I think that we haveseen a lot of big squid, huge
squid, but I don't think we haveever seen anything like the
kraken dude like I'm.
I'm with you, tommy, I'm onboard barely even seen giant
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squids.
Evan (31:06):
We've never seen colossal squids, except for dead bodies
we've only seen.
We've never seen them aliveexactly we barely even see giant
squids alive.
It's very, very seldom that wesee that.
So if there's something evenlarger than that lurking around
out there thousands of feetbelow the surface of the water,
I mean the chances of you everseeing that are extremely
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fucking slim oh, we probablynever will dude.
Wes (31:31):
No, if any of them ever dies, the chances of it even
making it to the surface arepretty low.
I mean, just think about allthe predation that's happening
in the ocean.
You know, I just think thattommy, I'm tracking what you're
saying.
I think that the kraken, likewhat we're saying the kraken is
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is a supersized version ofanything we've ever seen.
Yes, yes, but I do believe.
I'll say it now.
I think it's real.
Mell (32:02):
I absolutely do.
Evan (32:03):
I think it's or at least at one point in time, was real
All right so the generalconsensus cross the board.
Wes (32:13):
Real or not real.
Mell (32:16):
Real.
Wes (32:17):
Real.
Mell (32:18):
Real.
Wes (32:19):
Fuck, yeah, real.
Mell (32:20):
Awesome sauce.
Wes (32:21):
Cowabunga bro.
Mell (32:22):
All righty, then Done Son, fuck.
Yeah, real Awesome sauce.
Evan (32:25):
Cowabunga bro, alrighty then Done Son Alright, dude,
cool.
Somebody figure out how?
Wes (32:29):
to get us out of here, God, I've been trying, dude, I've
been thinking I can't figure itout.
Man, if you're in a rowboat,don't go in the ocean.
Mell (32:37):
Go fuck yourself.
Evan (32:38):
That works for me, Alright .
Good night everybody, you.
welcome back to mvps.
What the, what the, what thewhat the paranormal podcast,
where we talk about, well,everything the paranormal
encompasses.
So you ready, let's do this.
All right, crack on then dothis?
Wes (00:31):
all right, crack on, then crack in.
Ah, fucking name drop.
All right, are we?
Evan (00:32):
ready or what?
Yeah, we're, yeah, we're there.
All right, all right, I'm gonnaread you guys a little
something.
Just just be prepared.
Below the thunders of the upperdeep, far, far beneath the
abysmal sea, is ancient,dreamless, uninvaded sleep.
The Kraken Sleepus, dun dun dun.
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Oh shit, I was going to ask ifthat was it.
Wes (01:02):
I was waiting for something else, man, I was waiting for
something else man.
Evan (01:04):
That's a little snippet of a poem written called the
Kraken by Lord Alfred Tennyson.
He's a Victorian poet in the1800s.
Mell (01:14):
Yes, I do know Tennyson Lord.
Yes.
Wes (01:17):
He's a lord, I'm a lord.
Did you know that?
No I mean I did, I did not, yes, you did you did Evan, you did
know I was a lord and Tiffany isa lady.
Mell (01:29):
From what?
What are you talking about?
Evan (01:31):
Explain Elaborate.
Wes (01:33):
Oh, we bought.
I think it's one by one squarefoot.
Mell (01:40):
Oh no, stop it.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
Tommy (01:47):
They planted trees for us , us and they sent us paperwork.
We have documentation.
They carve your guys's names inthe tree.
Wes (01:51):
No, but what I am gonna do is I want to wait for maturity
and I'm gonna go there and I'mgonna cut my fucking tree down
because it's mine no, I'm gonna.
I'm gonna build something, ohshit, but but I'm going to show
up, cut our fucking trees down,turn them into timbers and build
something you know I'llprobably replant a tree.
(02:13):
Well, to put back what you take.
Mell (02:16):
You know you're not really a lord or a lady.
I hate to break that to you.
Wes (02:20):
Listen to me, mel, if I could.
Tommy (02:22):
She's all about destroying people instead of
being like hey, good job on yourone by one yeah, thank you.
Wes (02:28):
You know what thank you I'm sorry that it's not real here
comes fucking mel, you know sowelcome mel's comments.
Tommy (02:38):
Doesn't even know.
She just cuts through peoplejust like here.
Wes (02:41):
She comes to wreck the day she's like oh, you really like
that um no sorry no, sorry tobreak it to you.
Mell (02:50):
Oh, you think?
You won the lottery, fuck noand tommy is the on location in
some random bathroom in virginiaI'm not in a bathroom.
Evan (02:58):
I'm in a bedroom, well I mean, it sounds like your audio
begs to differ.
Mell (03:04):
So sorry about his audio.
Evan (03:06):
All right, you crazy listeners out there.
We are talking aboutcryptozoology this whole season,
so this week we're talkingabout the Kraken, the mystical
crazy tentacle monster in thesea, allegedly Is it though?
Let's go down the rabbit holetogether.
So the kraken, yeah, perhapsthe largest, you know, most
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terrifying monster that has everthreatened mankind, apparently,
allegedly or not allegedly,apparently, I didn't know this,
but the kraken actuallyoriginates in nordic folklore
from norway yes, yes, it doessir I was of this.
I always associated the Krakenwith high seas piracy and was
like, yeah, that makes sense.
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Pirates.
Wes (03:50):
Yeah.
Evan (03:52):
Anyway.
So in Norway it was said tohaunt the seas across Norway,
through Iceland and all the wayup to Greenland.
The Kraken apparently had aknack for harassing ships and
many said it would attack thevessels with its big, strong
tentacle arms.
And if this strategy failed,the beast it would start
swimming in circles around theship, creating a fierce
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maelstrom to drag the vesseldown.
Mell (04:17):
I don't like the ocean as it is.
Now I don't like it even more.
Evan (04:21):
Yeah, mail, don't do water .
Mell (04:22):
I don't no Large expansive bodies of water.
Mail don't do water.
I don't I know large expansivebodies of water.
Wes (04:27):
Mel don't water.
Why have you ever seen castaway?
Evan (04:31):
um yeah, have you watched jaws until you know what's in
that water?
Yeah all right man.
So the?
The legends say that the krakencould devour a ship's entire
crew all at once, but despiteits fearsome reputation, the
monster could also bring somebenefits at times.
Apparently, when it swam acrossthe ocean, it was accompanied
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by huge schools of fish thatcascaded down all around it.
The brave fishermen out on theseas could risk going near that
beast to get a bounteous catch,but they also risk losing their
lives.
Hold on, pump the fuckingbrakes.
Wes (05:09):
All right, so they knew of the kraken?
Yeah, they knew this beast wasthe reasoning for all of these
fish.
Yes, yet they would still gotempt fate and play with fire.
A man gotta eat, you know yeah,yeah motherfucker, you could
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catch fish by the bank, bro.
I do it all the time, you'renot wrong.
I could tell me there's akraken swimming around and
you're like dude, there's 10pound bass out there.
Tommy (05:42):
I'm like there's a pond down the road yeah, but a lot of
times, like the economy downsouth that catches all the you
know seafood and all that stuff,they're out there trawling I've
seen.
Wes (05:52):
I've seen forest gump.
I know, I know how this worksI'm tracking, I'm just saying
that's, that's fucking ballsy,don't you think?
Mell (06:02):
I yes, well, yeah, but they're not just feeding oneself
, they're feeding like thetownship.
Well, maybe they should fuckingteach.
Wes (06:10):
Uh, you know, teach.
Teach the people to eat less,you know.
Then fewer fish could gofurther and they wouldn't have
to go out there and battle atentacled fucking beast for, you
know, some sea bass.
Look, I see where you're comingfrom.
Evan (06:22):
Don't shoot the messenger, you know, I'm just look, I see
where you're coming from.
Wes (06:25):
I'm not, don't shoot the messenger, you know I'm just
telling you what they did.
My apologies, sir, I tip my hatbow away oh shit.
Evan (06:35):
As far as I can tell, the earliest history mentioning of
the kraken goes back to anaccount written in 1180 by King
Svir of Norway.
I don't know how you say hisname.
I believe it's pronounced Spear.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think so.
But carrying on from, thereDouche.
Mell (06:57):
Okay, so it was first reported when.
Evan (07:01):
As far as I can tell, the earliest writings about it,
about the creature creature, areback in 1180 that's crazy dude.
Wes (07:08):
I didn't find anything that far back oh yeah, it's.
Evan (07:12):
That's as far back as I could trace it, but what was um?
Wes (07:15):
what was that one talking about?
Evan (07:17):
I don't know, I couldn't actually find the written text
or anything, or you know, but Idid it just of other accounts,
talking about that accountessentially yeah, I mean it was.
Mell (07:28):
It's been embedded in scandinavian folklore though
yeah yeah, absolutely it'spretty fucking wild.
Wes (07:35):
You know all I mean shit.
If, uh, if the vikings and allthem crazy bearded cats didn't
have enough to deal with, youknow the fucking kraken, I feel
like that's uh, you know that'sthe godzilla of the time, maybe
well, I mean, it was writtenback in inch.
Mell (07:52):
It was written about in ancient greece as well aristotle
, uh, pliny kraken, yeah itwasn't necessarily referred to
as the kraken it was.
Evan (08:01):
It was a, you know, a tentacle sea monster,
essentially they.
Tommy (08:04):
They called it a a toothos, which means squid now,
if you guys do the like theyoutube videos of like uh squids
trying to feel around onpeople's rafts or their boats,
like they'll actually get theirtentacles up and start feeling
around like grabbing it, I can.
I can visualize a kraken now.
The reports that I saw hadkrakens where it would take two
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of its arms or tentacles andwrap it actually around the boat
itself.
They would have teams thatwould have to stab this thing
and axe it.
Yeah, so they actually hadteams that would be on call for
that purpose.
Wes (08:47):
The battle stations.
Mell (08:49):
So back in Norway, as the whole myth would grow and grow
and grow and you would you know,the carcasses would come up on
shore, maybe just like regularsquid or whatever.
But they interpreted that to bea message from either God or
the devil and they called themsea angels.
(09:10):
Really, yeah, interesting.
In Japan there were evenpictures of it or drawings.
They would translate thatpicture and then draw sea monks
and bishops, and that's whythere are sometimes figurines.
Evan (09:29):
Oh, I've seen some of those pictures.
Those are weird as shit.
Mell (09:33):
It's because of these.
Evan (09:35):
It's like a man in a squid's body.
Mell (09:38):
Yeah, like.
Evan (09:38):
Squidward, I mean yeah, kind of.
Tommy (09:41):
I would think more like Ursula from Little Mermaid.
Wes (09:45):
Oh, dear God, what an evil bitch she is, man.
That's an evil bitch rightthere Just saying.
Mell (09:55):
So how does that relate to ?
How does the Kraken relate tothe paranormal per se with
crypto Like, are people notthinking that Kraken are real?
Evan (10:05):
Well, for the longest time , you know it was a, you know, a
legend essentially.
I mean, people believed in it.
You know, especially like inthe 1700s.
You know it was written aboutin numerous different, uh, texts
and stuff.
In particular, in 1753, thenorwegian bishop, eric
(10:26):
pontopadin I don't know how tosay his fucking name he was the
first one to really popularizethe Kraken to the rest of the
world.
He described it as a multiplearmed giant sea octopus,
essentially, and described itsdestructive potential, as he
said.
It was said that if thecreature's arms were to lay hold
of the largest man of warship,it would pull it down to the
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bottom okay, so the scariestenvironment imaginable.
Wes (10:52):
Thanks, that's all you gotta say.
Evan (10:53):
Scariest environment imaginable yeah and then there's
all kind of other different uhstories and stuff about it and
you know it seems to be a lot ofthem from the 1700s and early
1800s yeah, I found a bunch ofstuff during the 1700s, but you
know a bunch of uh, I mean now,I guess we would call them short
stories you know, but they'reall just uh encounters that
(11:17):
allegedly took place yeah, but Iwas just thinking like,
visualize even our viewers tothink about this like, uh, what
is it?
Tommy (11:24):
pirates of caribbean?
They got a kraken on there thatpulls down that boat.
So you can just imagine beingon that boat, and I'm not saying
be chained or kissed by a girl,I'm saying like that's your
only life raft before you enterthe water and also this thing
just reaches up and just tearsapart your mask and cut your
boat in half, like that's a realdeal well, I don't get what
(11:45):
you're talking about uh, couldit also be like folklore?
Uh, the like scare people fromtrying to go out onto the water.
Mell (11:53):
I don't I don't think that they made the folklore based to
try and prevent anything.
I think the folklore originatedfrom a sighting of a giant
squid yeah, yeah, okay Can weclarify this for a second.
Is it a squid or is it anoctopus?
Wes (12:10):
No, it's a squid.
Evan (12:11):
It is a squid Well yeah, and before that we clarified
this that in the 1800s it wasthought to be a giant sea
octopus.
That's what the Kraken wasassumed to be.
It was assumed to be a giantsea octopus.
That's what the kraken wasassumed to be.
Wes (12:27):
It was assumed to be a giant octopus that would cling,
evan, and I talked about this,the fact that the I mean the
kraken right is essentially thethe the largest of the giant
squid right.
Evan, that's kind of what wewere talking about the fact that
you could have a super-sizedgiant squid and that would
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essentially be, you know, thekraken well, what do you?
Mell (12:54):
what do you mean by super size?
I mean, you know, you've got aregular fry, you've got a medium
fries, you've got a large friesand then you got super size.
So when you say super sized,how big are we actually?
Wes (13:09):
I mean giant, giant, squid, 50 feet.
Is that what they are?
Tommy (13:14):
tentacles and yes, a giant squid.
Wes (13:18):
If it's 50 feet, all right, that's a giant squid.
Do you think 50 feet oftentacles could take a man of
war ship down?
No fucking way right.
So you would have to supersizethat fucking thing.
You would have to scale thatthing up like godzilla, bro.
Tommy (13:34):
No joke, that would be a kraken I was gonna say you take
your 50 feet and you times it by100 gives you 500 feet, and
that's probably I'm thinkingit's going to be around that big
what the fuck kind of math areyou doing?
Because the man of war was like500 feet, so it has to be
around a thousand, probablydouble that.
Mell (13:55):
So scientists are saying I don't want to just speculate
here scientists are saying thatif it were real, if let's say it
was a prehistoric animal, okay,then it'd be longer than a blue
whale, but not heavier.
Wes (14:12):
And so they're saying about 100 feet long and weigh about
two tons, 43 feet 43 feet iswhat they say the estimated
largest yeah, the largest giantsquid would be there's a dude.
There's no way.
There's no way you're takingdown a giant, especially, you
(14:33):
know, a man of worship.
Those are fucking huge dude.
Mell (14:36):
That's not big enough to take those down well, aren't
they strong, though it's notjust about size no.
Wes (14:44):
No, yes, they are strong, but you're talking 50 feet dude.
From the waterline to the topof the mast is over 50 feet.
Mell (14:54):
So maybe it was bigger than that.
Wes (14:57):
It would have to be.
I mean the Kraken itself.
Mell (14:59):
yeah, would have to be 2013 was the first video that
they caught of a gigantic squidswimming 2000 feet below the
surface of the Pacific Ocean,and they were able to catch it
and the squid on record was 55feet long.
(15:19):
But then, in 2019, they caughtanother video of this thing and
they said it was just absolutelymassive yeah, man.
Wes (15:30):
And what were they using to scale this 2 000 feet below?
Like what?
Was this just imagery?
Like was this uh down imaging?
Like what?
What were they using?
Evan (15:40):
they have ways of measuring things through their
cameras.
These days they have measuringdevices built in and shit.
Mell (15:46):
So they have these things down there that able to.
They know the lengths of thesepoles and and how long it goes
down, and so when they were ableto catch it on film, they saw
the length of where it startedand because they knew how long
these things are down underwater, that's how they were able to
(16:07):
figure it out all right, so how?
Big was that one I thought yousaid 55 one of the one in 2013
was 55 feet long.
Wes (16:15):
Okay yeah, but we're still talking giant squid here, like
that's what that is.
Tommy (16:20):
That's a giant squid I mean, it could have been a baby.
This is growing okay.
Wes (16:25):
Yes, I, I agree with that.
So my, my thought between thegiant squid, all right, in a
kraken, because, mel, you wereasking, you know the difference,
right.
So I, I would say, you know,roughly speaking, right, you
take like a Komodo dragon, right, that's a big fucking lizard,
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right, it's a huge lizard.
But then you look at Godzilla,that's a way bigger fucking
lizard, right?
That would have to be thedifference between a giant squid
and a kraken.
In order to be scaled up enoughto pull a fucking ship
underwater, you would have to bebigger than that well, maybe
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they were back then.
Mell (17:10):
I mean, you know, evolution and our times have
changed uh, there's the watersin the oceans have changed, ph
balances have changed with themelting of the ice caps and
everything else like that.
So maybe maybe you know theirecosystem is not supportive for
them anymore and or maybe wejust don't see them.
(17:33):
Like the NOAA ocean explorationteam of scientists that
recorded the, the 2019, theysaid that this was a juvenile
giant squid, this was just ababy, and that's what they're
saying, that the kraken is isjust a giant squid.
So what if it's just evolved tobe smaller?
Tommy (17:54):
55 feet to me is pretty big, but I'm still timesing that
by 100.
Wes (17:59):
Yeah.
Evan (18:00):
I agree.
Mell (18:01):
It's called the Architeuthis dux.
Wes (18:04):
What the giant squid.
Mell (18:05):
That's a scientific name for it.
Yeah, and the eyes are the sizeof basketballs the biggest eyes
in the animal kingdom it.
Evan (18:13):
It's probably just to see well enough in the dark all the
way down there in the deep well,that's what you have to
understand is that giant squidslive, you know, thousands of
feet below the surface of thewater, where it's really dark,
really cold.
They only come up to surface,not very often at all, and
usually it's only when to die.
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That's when they come up to thesurface.
Mell (18:36):
So when I'm looking at things like this, the giant
squid, maybe the Kraken, waswhat they evolved.
Wes (18:43):
The giant squid evolved from was what they evolved, the
giant squid evolved from.
Yeah, yeah, I could get behindthat.
No, I agree.
I think that out of all of the,the weird fucking trippy ass
shit, you know that uh creepspeople out, the things people
talk about, you know that may ormay not be real.
(19:04):
I think that the kraken has gotto, has got to be running the
gauntlet for the most likely toactually fucking exist man
absolutely I mean, the onlyreason we even know that the the
giant squig exists is becauseof finding carcasses washed up,
(19:25):
you know, or floating in the sea.
That's, that's how we foundthem it wasn't until the
recently that we actually gotphoto and video evidence of them
.
Yeah, I mean up until that Imean it was, yeah, like these
things probably exist, you know,because you'd find pieces and
well, did you know that there is?
Evan (19:46):
yes, there's a giant squid , but there's also colossal
squids bro come on, now dollcome on man, I did, I did know
about that.
That's what they found okay,wait a minute way, way down
south right they found one ofthose floating um colossal
squids are only native toantarctic waters yeah, that's
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where they found the big onefloating in the water right and
they have it onto that ship theyare much, much larger in their
body, but their tentacles don'treach out as long as the giant
squids, but their bodies aremassive I agree with you, west.
Mell (20:22):
I think this is, of all of the weirdo things out there,
this is one that is very, very,very plausible.
So whether or not the krakenexists now, I think it's
possible.
Whether it existed way backthen, absolutely I.
I think, if anything the itcould have been prehistoric.
Wes (20:46):
Well, fuck the giant squids or colossal squids, whatever
they were Once upon a time.
I'm fairly confident man, Iread those things used to feed
on fucking whales, dude.
Mell (21:02):
Come on, that's just a real snack.
Evan (21:04):
It's just a real snack.
It isn't food.
It's a real snack, it's just areal snack.
Mell (21:07):
It eats its food.
It's a real snack.
Evan (21:08):
Well, they battle.
Giant squids do battle withsperm whales all the time.
That's why you see sperm whaleshave these big gnarly gashes on
them and tentacle marks allover them.
Wes (21:22):
Because that's their only predator is the sperm whale.
How fucking wild is that.
Mell (21:24):
So a colossal squid has hooks sperm whale.
Evan (21:28):
How fucking wild is that?
So a colossal squid has hooks?
Yeah, in in the giant squid'stentacle, inside the suckers on
the tentacles have like, theyhave a ring of of teeth like
hooks.
It's like a serrated ring allthe way around inside.
Mell (21:37):
Yes, sucker, they pull big bites out yeah so think about
this then if a colossal squidattacked a man of worship, it
absolutely could sink it andpull it under, just with those
things, because then let's say,if they remove it, you got holes
, or if it can take a chunk outof a boat I guess it's plausible
that it could damage a shipenough to, you know, make it
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gain so much water that it wouldsink it.
The the Titanic got taken outby a fucking iceberg.
That was shitty riveting,shitty riveting.
Wes (22:10):
There were no rivets on a man of worship.
Evan (22:13):
You're right, it was wood, not steel.
Exactly.
Mell (22:17):
So they could rip it out.
They could.
If they're taking chunks out,you know they can rip out a
chunk of wood.
You're just, you're going tosink, and I'm not saying I'm
going to say it.
The soldiers or the sailors, Imean, would be scared shitless.
So they're going to.
And those that survived, youknow their memories are going to
(22:39):
play tricks on them and they'reprobably exaggerating how big
or it came up, but that's not tosay that it didn't take the
shit down I don't know, eveneven with the weaponry right,
that these fucking things hadhold it up right here.
Wes (22:56):
A man of worship was over 60 meters long and weighed over
a thousand tons, and you'retelling me that a giant squid
could tear enough out of that.
I, I don't know.
Man, a kraken, yes kraken.
Mell (23:15):
I'm telling you a.
I'm telling you a kraken couldand I'm telling you a colossal
squid could that's wood, I mean.
And if it's underneath it first, and it takes a big chunk out,
from underneath the ship first,and then from various sides it's
ripping it out because it'sthat big.
Yeah, absolutely.
(23:36):
And where are they gonna shoottheir cannons at themselves?
Evan (23:40):
it's too close, it's stuck to the muskets are not going to
do shit to it and becausethere's there's been several
accounts written about peoplefiring muskets at these things,
and they just didn't do much toit.
Tommy (23:49):
I've read a bunch about that too yeah, like I told you,
they had a crew with axes andswords that would try to chop
this thing up as best aspossible I do have a question,
as we're talking about, you knowbody, mass and size and
everything.
Wes (24:05):
Evan, you said that they have the largest eyes in the
animal kingdom.
Yes, yeah, does that mean theyhave the largest beak as well?
Evan (24:17):
I would assume so, but don't quote me on that because I
don't know.
I know their beak is absolutelymassive.
Wes (24:22):
The beak itself is like bigger than your head yeah, I'm
trying to think of somethingthat would have a larger beak.
Um, it's just interesting to me, is all.
Mell (24:32):
I'm not 100 sure so in his first edition of systema
naturae in 1735naeus, heactually classified the kraken
as a cephalopod.
He gave it a name.
Wes (24:44):
He gave it the kraken name, yeah.
Mell (24:47):
No, he gave it the name Microcosmus marinus.
That's a major appliance.
That's not a name, it's aunique monster inhabiting the
seas of Norway.
I mean, it's also in thenatural history of norway, book
um of 1752, eric pontippontipedon is he the one that
(25:09):
has the picture in the book?
Evan (25:11):
about it.
I couldn't tell you.
I haven't read the book?
Mell (25:13):
well, no, I mean when you did your research, is he the one
that said um, it creates thewhirlpool when it sinks it.
Okay, so yeah, that explains ittoo.
It will create this giant.
Wes (25:27):
it'll grab onto the ship create this giant whirlpool and
suck it under and imagine themass.
You would have to have to beable to move enough water to
create such a thing.
Just how?
Strong you would have to beable to move enough water to
create such a thing, just howstrong you would have to be man
like I mean, think about whenyou're in the backyard at the
(25:48):
pool, you know, and you get fiveor six drunk friends to fucking
run circles around the pool,you know what I'm talking about
though, but you're barelycausing enough ruckus to suck,
you know, a tiny child into thecenter of that.
Imagine how big you would haveto be to force a boat under the
(26:08):
water.
Mell (26:08):
That's fucking wild yeah, they're saying, though, that
that's very plausible.
Now, giant, just giant squidsnot even the colossal squids,
they can create whirlpools.
So when it sinks, when thesquid sinks, it naturally
creates this whirlpool.
Wes (26:29):
That can I could see that, uh, that it using that as almost
a hunting technique.
You know, um, maybe it forces aschool of fish, you know, or
whatever, to the surface andthen dives or does whatever to
pull those fish.
You know what I'm talking about, tommy.
Tommy (26:48):
Yeah, I can see that Like kind of like, kind of like
killer whales, how they they'llteam up and make a bigger way to
blast the whales off.
That's their hunting techniques.
And it could be that thistechnique is to bring it down to
the ground.
So it's so low that when itsnaps it it could just keep it
going.
Wes (27:08):
It could yeah, right, I I I have a question really fast.
Um, everybody did a light bitof research on this subject, I
assume yeah yeah, did anybody inthere investigating make any
connection between you?
(27:29):
Know the kraken?
Evan (27:31):
and uh cthulhu like uh no, because cthulhu is a fictional
being.
You know, uh made up by hplovecraft is that what it was?
Wes (27:44):
yes, see, dude, the internet fucking trips me out
sometimes, man.
Is that what?
It is what?
Evan (27:51):
what katulu is yeah yeah, no, fucking you can.
Hp lovecraft wrote the book thecall of Cthulhu.
No shit In the 1920s.
No, the Cthulhu mythos wascompletely fabricated by HP
Lovecraft in his stories Dude.
Mell (28:11):
Genius?
Do you think he based it off ofCthulhu?
Evan (28:14):
It's said that he did, that.
He took inspiration fromcertain things like that.
But you know, I don't know.
But HP Lovecraft writes somereally wild, crazy stuff.
I've got uh, I think I've gothis entire collection here at
the house dude, you squared meaway, bro.
Wes (28:29):
I had no idea.
Evan (28:30):
I I thought that was more of a fable than, uh, you know, a
creation no, and the way hewrote it, it sounds like it's,
like it's because it's writtenfrom the point of view of like
this investigator, or like a,like a journalist, and it sounds
real.
Mell (28:49):
So did you guys know that in 1873, there were three
fishermen in Newfoundland thatsaid a giant squid tried to sink
their boat and they fought itoff but they were able to get 19
feet of tentacle I don't knowif I read that one so if they
(29:10):
were able to get 19 feet oftentacle, that's just the
tentacle.
How big do you think this thingwas?
Evan (29:16):
53, and that was an attack on a 150 ton ship called the
peril.
Mell (29:23):
So come on brah.
Evan (29:24):
The crew literally had to fight it off with axes and
cutlasses.
Mell (29:28):
That's wait, what?
That's how they stop it.
Evan (29:34):
It pulled the tentacles, pulled the ship, got ahold of
the rigging on the ship andactually pulled it over and
another ship had to come in andactually rescue the survivors
wow, so that's telling me, I, I,I, I think it's the kraken
let's go on a carnival cruisewell, you also have to
(29:56):
understand
Mell (29:57):
oh, I don't cruise only like 80 percent.
Evan (30:00):
Like 80 percent of our oceans are still unexplored.
We have no idea what's downthere.
Mell (30:06):
They found a carcass washed up in Tasmania and its
tentacles measured 26 feet,which is the length of a bus.
Tommy (30:15):
Yeah, I still think that if we're talking about the
Kraken, it had to be like 100yards a tentacle.
Wes (30:22):
Yeah, man, just look at the picture behind your fucking
dude, I know.
Look at, look at the size ofthose tentacles bro but that's
probably just a little, that's.
Tommy (30:32):
That's obviously no, I mean, but that's how I figure.
That's how I would figure thekraken would be like that I
agree, tommy.
Wes (30:42):
I don't think that we have seen anything as large as the
quote unquote kraken.
All right, I think that we haveseen a lot of big squid, huge
squid, but I don't think we haveever seen anything like the
kraken dude like I'm.
I'm with you, tommy, I'm onboard barely even seen giant
(31:05):
squids.
Evan (31:06):
We've never seen colossal squids, except for dead bodies
we've only seen.
We've never seen them aliveexactly we barely even see giant
squids alive.
It's very, very seldom that wesee that.
So if there's something evenlarger than that lurking around
out there thousands of feetbelow the surface of the water,
I mean the chances of you everseeing that are extremely
(31:28):
fucking slim oh, we probablynever will dude.
Wes (31:31):
No, if any of them ever dies, the chances of it even
making it to the surface arepretty low.
I mean, just think about allthe predation that's happening
in the ocean.
You know, I just think thattommy, I'm tracking what you're
saying.
I think that the kraken, likewhat we're saying the kraken is
(31:51):
is a supersized version ofanything we've ever seen.
Yes, yes, but I do believe.
I'll say it now.
I think it's real.
Mell (32:02):
I absolutely do.
Evan (32:03):
I think it's or at least at one point in time, was real
All right so the generalconsensus cross the board.
Wes (32:13):
Real or not real.
Mell (32:16):
Real.
Wes (32:17):
Real.
Mell (32:18):
Real.
Wes (32:19):
Fuck, yeah, real.
Mell (32:20):
Awesome sauce.
Wes (32:21):
Cowabunga bro.
Mell (32:22):
All righty, then Done Son, fuck.
Yeah, real Awesome sauce.
Evan (32:25):
Cowabunga bro, alrighty then Done Son Alright, dude,
cool.
Somebody figure out how?
Wes (32:29):
to get us out of here, God, I've been trying, dude, I've
been thinking I can't figure itout.
Man, if you're in a rowboat,don't go in the ocean.
Mell (32:37):
Go fuck yourself.
Evan (32:38):
That works for me, Alright .
Good night everybody, you.
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