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Season 5: Episode Twelve. Two hungover gays, two cities… what a weekend for Benji and Brad! The boys chat about their day trip to Brighton where they ended up stranded all night! Plus, joining them this week is gay health coach Matt Boyles who talks about his experience and advice on fitness and wellbeing in the LGBTQ+ community.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello and welcome to this week's episode of my big
gay podcast.
With me a bottle of tequila.
And me a bottle of vodka Givingyou the life, but that's your
line.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, my goodness, i feel like this episode is going
to be as chaotic as our weekendtogether.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I think so too.
We have to get through theopening.
We've done it for five seasons.
Let's do it, that's it Right,let's try again.
Hello and welcome to thisweek's episode of my big gay
podcast with me Benji.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And me, Brad, giving you the life, the loves and
lovelies of living in London Twogays, one city.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
What could possibly?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
go wrong.
I mean two gays slash, two veryhungover gays today, yeah, and
two cities from this lastweekend and it all went wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It really did.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, butbefore we get into that, how are
you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Do you know what?
When we obviously said thatwe're going to be recording the
day after going to Brighton, Iwas thinking this recording is
going to be a struggle.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't feel too bad today.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I actually this is pretty the best hangover I've
possibly ever had, but I do feellike a hollow shell.
I haven't got the hangoverpains.
I haven't even got anxiety, andfor those of you who don't know
what that is, it's when you'rehungover and just you feel
anxious about everything, likewhat did I do last night?
What am I doing with my life?
Have I invested in the correctpension scheme?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
These are the sorts of things that keep me up at
night, All right but, I do feellike, yeah, hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's like an Easter ring, like, oh, it looks so
great and amazing outside Andthen you like tap it and it
crumbles the thinnest pieces ofchocolate.
I feel like that.
I feel like I look gorge, buton the inside a hollow chocolate
egg.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
One poke and you're going to fall apart.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I mean, I don't really like being poked.
We've discussed this multipletimes.
So I would probably fall aparton a good day, but right now it
would not be good.
But yeah, other than that, ithink I feel okay, which is
amazing considering whatactually went on at the weekend,
which I feel we should probablyget straight into so that
people realise we sound as rough, why we sound as rough as we do
(02:44):
, absolutely, yeah, gosh, thatsentence was a struggle.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't normally struggle to get words out, i
know you're pretty good withyour words, but yeah, that
wasn't your best today.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Thanks, mate way to pick me up when I'm feeling shit
.
I mean, where do we start?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, from the very beginning, which is a very good
place to start, Julie Andrewstold us many, many years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Let's start at the very beginning, a very good
place to start.
I mean, has anyone heard fromJulie Andrews recently?
Because I've not seen anythingon social media and I feel like
we should just check in with her.
So if any gays actually knowJulie, could you just, you know,
check.
She's all right, julie.
You're at hand, But no yeah,you start mate, because I
(03:33):
actually don't know where tostart.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, we went to Brighton for a day party,
basically a day drinking session.
It was our friend's 30thbirthday, which is amazing.
He's the youngest of the group.
So I feel like we've now doneall of our big 30th birthdays,
Because the last few years ithas been big birthday after big
birthday, And this was the lastone.
Yeah, happy birthday, StephenHappy birthday, But I didn't
realize how close Brighton wasto London.
(03:55):
Really It was like an hour onthe train.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I mean it should have been an hour on the train, but
we decided to go to Brighton onthe hottest day of the year.
Even in the morning.
When my alarm went off at likehalf past six in the morning, it
was like today records could beset as the hottest day in June
of the last decade And I waslike brilliant, and we're going
to sit on a train.
Everyone's going to have thesame idea as us.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, and they did, And all the trains were delayed
and cancelled classic Britishtrains.
But yeah, we did get there inthe end, didn't we?
We did.
After the delayed And it waslike being on holiday.
We walked off, we went down tothe beach and I was like I feel
like we're in Spain right now.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
This is amazing.
Yeah, it was absolutelybeautiful And actually when we
got to Brighton it wasn't asmobbed as I thought.
I mean probably because I sortof associate Brighton with pride
, yeah, when you literally can'teven move on the streets, yeah,
so this wasn't too bad, but itwas.
It was so hot.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So hot, yeah, i mean we went straight to the beach.
We got tinnies on the way andwe was on the beach for about an
hour.
Then we were like, okay, weneed some shade.
This is yeah, we're getting abit overheated here.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, we kind of just got settled on the beach and I
was like, okay, it's like 32degrees, this is stunning.
Any of our American friendslistening like 32, is that it?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I'm not.
Is that it, Yeah, Any of ourworldwide listeners?
this is like a really reallyhot day for the UK.
We're not prepared for it.
There's no air, con nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Nothing's air conned Like it's just it is miserable.
We got to the beach, got allset up and then after about 20
minutes, everyone was like, okay, we're done on the beach.
And I kept on being like let'sgo buy some shops, guys, get
some drinks, meaning like water,maybe some fruit juice.
Everyone's like oh, great idea.
Tinnies, tinnies, tinnies, tins, tins tins across the board.
(05:38):
Literally I was like, okay,some sort of like non-alcoholic
drink would probably be good,but what do I know?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, right, but right by the beach is the
Brighton Pinn Famous, isn't it,because it is just full of like
arcades and rides and all thekind of seaside stuff that you
would want to do in the UK, andwe had the best time on the pier
.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it was good fun , The guys slot machines, little
games like sweets, like there'sa soft play area which sadly I
was too tall to go into.
You can buy like chips, candy,floss, and then, yeah, there are
all the rides as well.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But you weren't feeding the rides.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Listen, i'm a thrill seeker.
I love me a bit of Disney, aswe know Thorpe Park, alton
Towers, all the men in places.
But there's just something inme that says do not trust a ride
that has been built onscaffolding, balanced over the
ocean, which the previous pierhad burnt down twice.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, you are literally on the water, aren't
you?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Wooden slats And I was worried that I was going to
drop my phone and then I wasgoing to lose it all down the
pier.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa .
You were not worried, you weregoing to drop your phone.
We were all worried because youget to opening your bag and be
like where's my phone and yourwallet?
It was like precariously, likebalance, like just about to fall
into the ocean below.
Like there's no getting thatback.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I know, and also I've only just got back my ID.
You know I lost my ID last week.
Yeah, i applied for my newlicense.
That came really really fast.
I was very impressed with theUK government on that one.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah you would have thought it would be a really
good opportunity for you to beused like a more current photo
of yours, not one pre-hairtransplant.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was a pre-hair transplant photo.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Who is this bald man on your ID?
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh goodness, Yeah, we did the rides.
You did get me on one of therides.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I did.
yes, The famous ghost train.
Is it famous?
Well, our friends told usafterwards it was actually.
it won the award for the worstghost train in Britain, Great.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, I'm pleased I spent five pounds on that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It was awful.
Were you scared?
No, the scariest bit for me wassitting next to you.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
If I'm honest, Okay, that was literally what I was
about to say.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I read your mind.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
What was even scarier was being stuck in a car like
seat belted in next to you insomething that could break down
in the 34 degree heat, becauseinside that thing was a furnace.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
With those like cheesy things that kept popping
out, like those plasticskeletons.
Oh, it was so bad.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean, at one point you went around the corner and
you could literally just see thefuse box.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You could see the extension cables like plugging
into these.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, So bad So so bad But we've got to do it as
like a tradition with the groupof gays, like whatever kind of
seaside town we're in.
If there's a little theme park,you have to do the ghost train.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
It's like a thing to do, yeah, but I was then very
much ready for some clubs.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yes, And the gay bus.
there are just so many inBrighton.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Do you know what I'm going to do?
you know Soho and Clapham Dirty, but Brighton You have the most
lovely group of LGBTQ pluspeople.
Yes, it was so friendly, sonice.
Everyone was chatting like oh,i haven't seen you before.
Oh, we're from London.
Oh great, we've been to London,we've done this.
But like, just genuinely,everyone was lovely.
We went to what was it calledthe Queen's Arms to see a drag
(08:55):
show, which was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, she was hilarious, she was so funny.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Davina Sparkle, her name was Yeah, and she was like
pick on on all of us, like, oh,from London, like just making us
all really welcome.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, it was lovely.
And also the drinks prices.
Hello, when they came through Iwas like I'm sorry, i don't
think you've added that upcorrectly.
Yeah, you said he has 14 pounds, but I bought like four drinks,
so like, no, no, that's 14pounds for four drinks.
Yeah, i'm like that's one drinkin London.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, the first bar we went to was called Center
Stage, also a drag show.
It was great.
I went and ordered a drink.
It's on the front, it's got bigbalcony overlooking the sea,
like prime location Beautiful.
Yeah, i ordered a Keelah SodaLime Cordial and it was four
pounds.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That is just unheard of, isn't it?
I can't believe it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Four quid.
And then the next venue bottlesof Prosecco 23 pounds, amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Cheap, amazing.
We should go there more oftenWe should go there every weekend
.
Yeah, we spend like a fortunegoing out in London.
Yeah, well, you do, that is sotrue.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Drinks on me, lads.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Put the card down, put it away.
Well, that's not the card we'retalking about.
But yeah, no one wants to seethat Again.
No, it was good, but it did.
The reason why we are soexhausted is it did go ever so
slightly wrong nearer the end.
So we were in the Queen's Armsand a couple of us were flagging
(10:18):
.
We were like, look, there wassort of chats of trying to get a
hotel, wasn't there?
Yes, but we're like let's justsee what time the last train is.
Blah, blah, blah, ping, ping,ping, ping, ping.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Canceled Next train canceled, all the trains
canceled.
We were stranded in Brightonwith nowhere to stay.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, even the Ibis was like £200 a night for two
people.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But also, it was just so hot, wasn't it?
We was out and about anyway,but we had to keep going outside
to cool down.
I was like we could just sit onthe beach, like on that hot.
And yeah, we carried onclubbing, didn't we?
until whatever time it was.
And then we got the first trainback to London at like half
four in the morning.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, don't miss out the worst part of the whole trip
, which is when we went to asubway at like 3am which was
open.
They would.
They turned the toaster off at11pm.
I mean, why even be open?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I know you were furious about that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's actually when we went in, there was a hendu
already in there.
They were like, don't bother,they've turned the toaster off.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And by that point I was done, I was ready to go and
I was just sat on the pavementoutside with my hood up, Like I
just want to get into my bed.
We've been drinking since likehalf 11 in the morning.
It's now like half three thefollowing morning.
Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, i didn't actually get into bed till just
before 7am Yeah same Yeah, Abouthalf six got into bed Yeah.
I'd literally been pying for 24hours.
Well, I've been out for 24hours and essentially drinking
for the majority of that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, but it was so good though.
What a great day.
I love Brighton.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It was so good.
If you can, if you are sort ofin the areas where you can get
to Brighton for a weekend,definitely would recommend it.
It doesn't even have to be aweekend, you know, it could be
any day of the week.
Well, actually that's a goodpoint.
At one of the bars we were like, oh, we're just wondering where
, like some other drag shows are.
They gave us like a full on mapflyer for the month of every
single show going on at all thedifferent venues, for every
single day.
It was.
It was so good.
(12:00):
Yeah, it was amazing.
Yeah, the Gays definitely runthat town.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh, yes, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Gay capital of the UK .
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean the Gays would run the world if we ever got a
shot, Some of us would.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
If I was just in you and Boris Johnson, I may still
pick Boris Johnson.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
No, you wouldn't, Absolutely not.
We'll see, but more of thestory is Go To Brighton, lads,
for a nice game day out.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Go To Brighton.
Book your accommodation inadvance.
The train for us was like 14quid.
It was absolutely bargain, yeah, but yeah.
So much to do, so much sun tosee all the frolics.
Get yourself to Brighton if youcan.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Right, benji, i know you're hung over today, but we
do have a very special guest onthis week's episode, so do not
mess this up for us, ok.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Excuse me, i'm on top form today.
You are the one that's bad withhangovers.
I woke up this morning and Iput my little vitamin C tablet.
I've taken my vitamin B andthis delicious little
multivitamin gummy which I'mpretty sure I just eat because
they taste like sweets Andthat's me being healthy.
Wow, you've taken all the pillstoday, all those above board
(13:13):
over the counter legal pills,mum, i promise.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But before we get on to our special guest, i thought
it might be worth talking aboutsummer being around the corner
and that's so exciting, right?
Well, i'd love it when it'ssummer in the UK, yeah, but do
you feel that there's a bit of apressure in terms of wearing
less clothes and body image andbeing like that summer body
ready?
(13:40):
in quotation marks, because Idon't really agree with that
statement.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh gosh, i know.
Do you remember that bigcampaign on the tube that
everyone hated, the Beach BodyReady campaign?
Oh, horrible, yeah, ok.
So, in short, yes, mepersonally I do feel a lot of
pressures in this field.
Obviously, i grew up on a verysmall island which is all
beaches, so as soon as the sun'sout, everyone is sort of
topless anyway.
But being in Brighton actuallyreally it wasn't like a horrible
(14:06):
feeling, but it really took meback to sitting on the beach,
feeling really hot and beingterrified to wear less clothes.
I used to sit on the beach inlike three-quarter length short
trousers, things.
They were cool back then.
All right, big fleece massivehood up.
No well, yeah, you joke, but Icould jump.
Oh wow, like long sleeve, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Because in Brighton there were a lot of topless
people around, weren't there?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, but I must be honest, in Brighton I there was
people of like all differentbody shapes and sizes, like and
people just didn't care, which Ikind of loved.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Because when we go to somebody they're like clap and
common, it's so.
It's a very different vibe.
Yeah, it's just like, i don'tknow, like a catwalk for people
who have literally livedreligiously at the gym Yeah, for
the past four months or how itactually probably years, but
specifically the last fourmonths so they can walk around
in tiny speedos with rock hardbody.
Sure, yeah, we'll leave thatthere, but yeah, so that was.
(15:05):
That was a strange sort of youknow, reminding me of what it
was like when I was younger.
But I think I don't think it'sjust for the individual person
to feel pressure.
I think anyone would be lyingif they said they didn't feel
the pressure.
Even people that have invertedcommas, the perfect body, which
we'll come back to, uh-huh, ithink even they feel the
(15:27):
pressure because they have tokeep up with it.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, The maintenance of that, because I know you've
been gym in this year, yeah, andI've been dipping in and out,
yeah.
As I do The pool, yeah,literally.
But I find it really hard to beconsistent at the gym because I
do have quite a busy sociallife, as do you, yeah, and
trying to balance that with work.
I just don't want my sociallife to be affected where I say
(15:49):
like, oh, i can't come outtonight because I've got a gym
class to go to, or I don't wantto have a late one on a Saturday
night because I want to do thegym on Sunday.
You know, i just don't want mylife to be dictated by just
going to the gym.
Yeah.
But I agree there should belike a balance, you know, of
being sort of trying to behealthy, um, but I struggled to
find that balance personally.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think I've spoken on this
before but like when I was like15, let's say 16, I was at my
like my biggest, biggest stageand I was like 18 stone I was.
I'm not even that tall, So Iwas vastly overweight for my age
And I remember feelingmiserable And then sort of
moving away from home to college, dancing all day.
(16:29):
Weight literally just droppedoff me.
I found the gym and I got intoa really unhealthy place with
fitness.
I look back at pictures and I'mlike I'm literally unwell, Like
you can see the bones in myface, Like it was just really
not good.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So, one extreme to the other, you went Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Basically, i mean, look, i I never had any.
Um, uh, i wouldn't say I wouldlabel myself with any disorders,
to put it lightly.
I don't want to say any wordsbecause it's quite triggering
some people, um, but I don't.
I don't feel like I had any ofthose.
I literally just ate too muchwhen I was younger and then it
got into a routine and it was.
It was bad for me.
I don't think my mental healthwas great And I think I use food
(17:08):
as a way of trying to suppressemotion.
Um, but it's insane.
Yeah, i do go to the gym more,but I do it purely for me.
I don't do it for an end goalof having a specific physique.
I really and I genuinely meanthis, hand on heart, i do not
care about having a six pack.
I do not care about having likezero percent body fat, i don't
care.
All I care about is getting tothat space where I personally,
(17:31):
for me, feel comfortable walkingaround in just swim shorts
without feeling like people arelooking at me in a negative way.
Uh-huh, that's my only goal andthat is purely personal.
And I've had boyfriends be likeyou go to the gym for way too
long, like you don't need to doit.
You just need to go for an hour, do this workout, blah, blah,
blah.
And I have always said to themlike look, i'm not going to hit
(17:53):
these stats, i'm not going to dothese specific reps or whatever
it is you want to do at the gym, which is fine.
I go to clear my head and tofeel like I am getting enough
physical exercise to make mefeel confident within my own
body.
Yeah, um, and I think somepeople don't get that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, cause I know you go to like switch your phone
off and have an escape fromwork and the busy life for a
couple of hours.
So, I, you know, i do applaudyou for that Cause it's very
difficult to switch off,particularly living in the city
and doing the work that we didin the jobs that we do, where we
kind of like on call all thetime, constant.
So yeah, i fully applaud youfor doing that for that reason.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Thank you, i mean it's again.
It's completely selfish.
I don't care, saying that it ispurely for me And it is my time
that I give myself.
But listen, I think I thinkbody image we're never, there's
never going to be a point wherethe whole world is like cured of
body hangups or, you know, ofdisorders or because it is kind
(18:53):
of life and it changesconstantly.
The pressures on younger peoplechange every few years, like it
was.
Everyone wanted to be sort ofmore curvy And then everyone's
come back to want to be likehair and chic, skinny, and we're
very much at the mercy of thefashion industry and sort of
films and who's famous and etc.
Etc.
Etc.
So it's we're always going tohave these battles.
(19:14):
So I think getting somebodyonto the podcast that we will be
having later on which is veryexciting, somebody who comes in
it from a completely differentangle but pushing it into
mainstream sort of gay culture,like to battle this stigma, i
think, is it's really important.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm really and I'm very much excited to hear what
Matt has to say and sort of whatmade him start and made him
feel like he was sort of makinga difference and what keeps him
going, because do you think gaysthat go down that like muscle
route is because of maybebullying when they were younger
and therefore kind ofovercompensating when they're
older to be like, okay, well,I've now got these muscles and
(19:51):
I've got this like stereotypicalmasculine look and kind of make
up for all the times wherepeople call me like a sissy or a
fennboy or whatever back atschool?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't think there is a definitive, single answer
to that question.
Sure, yeah, i think people goto the gym to feel secure in
their body.
Some of them go, yes, to feelattractive to other people
because of, maybe, somethingthat happened in their past,
maybe they really struggled withtheir coming out, and so they
want validation by beingsuddenly very attractive to
(20:25):
whoever it is, whatever genderor like playing up to that
stereotype of what attractive is.
Yeah, maybe, and I think it'salso like when people wear a lot
of makeup.
I feel like it's a form ofdefense And I do think from that
, sometimes you do go a bit toofar and you become a bit toxic
and you forget to get to knowpeople for actually who they are
(20:45):
, not for what they look like.
Sure, that makes sense, which Ireally struggle within the gay
scene for that, like talking topeople, i can tell, like new
people in clubs, i can tell theyare judging me on what I'm
wearing, what I look like, or Ifeel that they are.
I should say They don'tnecessarily.
They're not talking to me justto get to know me, which is
actually what I felt in Brighton.
(21:05):
When they were coming up in theclubs and talking to us, i felt
like they genuinely cared aboutwhere we'd come from, like
wanting to know a little bitabout us, not just because of
what we individually looked like.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely got a sense of a real
gay community in Brighton,definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, and I do feel the gay scene in London it needs
to change.
I think it is changing, but Ithink it needs to.
it's got a long way to go.
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, listen, we're about to have an expert come on
to my big gay podcast who knowsall about this, because he is a
fitness expert for the LGBTQplus community.
So why don't we take a littleshort break and we'll bring on
the wonderful Matt Boyles?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
This is a final call for Benji and Brad travelling to
Jersey for Channel IslandsPride.
Oh mate, hurry up, we're goingto miss the flight.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Benji, I can't run in these Espa drills.
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Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, Benji, I am very, very excited for our guest
today.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm excited as well although I do have a slight like
imposter syndrome with the factthat we've got like a fitness
confidence coach coming on thepodcast when we've only recently
just woken up after like threehours sleep from our all night
venture in Brighton.
There's something that doesn'tquite add up there but we're
going to go with it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's all about balance.
You know we have a heavyweekend and now we're talking
about fitness, so we're going tomeet in the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I don't think that was meeting in the middle and I
do not think that that isbalanced.
But hey, we're going to see howit goes.
I'm going to try and forgetabout the half cooked subway
that I can still taste in mymouth.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Is that the only thing you can taste in your
mouth?
Anyways without further ado.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I am very, very excited to welcome on the
founder and CEO of FitterConfident U, which is an online
personal training platformtailored to the LGBTQ plus
community.
He has worked with over 1400people around the world.
It is the one, the only, thelovely, matt Boyles.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Hi guys, Hello Matt, How are you?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'm very well, thank you, good good.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Thrilled to be here.
Oh, we are so excited to haveyou on Now.
Before we get going, we want tohear your mic check, So could
you give us your best mic checkfor us?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
All right, give out a mic, check one, two and I can't
remember the lyrics, because Iforgot to look up the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't know the lyrics either.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That's right, you gave the best ones.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
How was that?
That was perfect?
Oh, few.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, does anyone really know the lyrics to that
song or is it just that one bit?
Just that one bit is the onebit.
But, yeah, thank you so muchfor taking the time to come on
to the podcast.
especially on a day as hot astoday, it is sweltering, but,
yeah, we're very happy you'rehere.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Pleasure, and, matt, you are also a fellow Clapham
gay, but I've yet to see you onthe common.
Will you be there this summer?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Sorry, just clarification on which part of
the common I think it's needed.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I do indeed love living so close to the common.
Having that on my doorstep, iobviously completely rammed this
weekend Exactly Just lovely,open space to be able to get out
into.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Oh, great, great.
Well, as you know, we have justcome back from a weekend in
Brighton which was quite chaoticin the end, but it was so much
fun.
And we were actually justtalking about the summer and how
lovely it is in the UK whenit's summertime, but maybe the
pressures that that comes within terms of body image and maybe
having to wear sort of lesserclothes or like beach clothes,
(25:53):
that kind of thing, and we weresort of saying about the
pressures that maybe we feelabout that.
So I guess you're the expert onthis anyway And I wondered do
you find that a lot of yourclients come to you this time of
year for that reason?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Absolutely That, and also just not knowing how to get
started.
The two main reasons that Ihear from people most of the
time body image, body confidence.
oh, i'm going on holiday.
I feel stressed.
take my top off.
But getting comfortable withyour top off is a journey that
all of us have to go on in someway.
But, brad, you were at MightyHoopla last weekend as well,
weren't you?
I was Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Boy, who was he?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
In my pink glitter cape.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I've done my homework .
I was too as well And what Ithink is going to be really
helpful to people is so therewere 30,000 basically gays there
And obviously all the otheramazing people across the LGBTQ
spectrum, but of people withthose sort of bodies in inverted
commas, who people who clearlylive in the gym and may or may
(26:51):
not take steroids, but becauseyou just don't know, but they
were such a tiny proportion like0.0000001.
Everyone else had, in invertedcommas, normal bodies, regular
bodies, bodies that let them godancing for two days in the park
.
I think we've built this up inour minds, our collective gay
consciousness, that everyonelooks like they work out 10 days
(27:14):
a week, everyone is so obsessedwith fitness that they don't
allow themselves to eat any foodthey want, and also people
believe that a there themajority and be that they will
really mean, and I just don'tthink it's the case.
I think we've talked ourselvesinto this corner where we
believe it, but actually thelived experience, when you get
out there and see all of ouramazing cohort and compare trace
, just isn't the case.
(27:35):
I think we just like part ofthe thing we need to start doing
is just questioning our ownfears around it and say is this
really true?
is this really real?
are we really pressured intolooking that way, or is it just
something we've sort of Likethis color, got this collective
fear over, even though itdoesn't actually exist?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
sure does that make sense?
yeah, i think it's because whenI was growing up I would buy by
underwear and it's always sixpack people wearing the pants,
yeah, and I guess I'm not thegame magazines, and it was
always that kind of look of likeoh, if you want to be like a
hot man, you need to have thatsix pack and that body and I
think that's what's always putme off of going to the gym is
(28:12):
sort of seeing those people withthose bodies and thinking all
my body does not compare, soThat's put me off.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Go in no, i guess the flip side is, their bodies
didn't look like that when theystarted that's very true.
Anyone can look like that if youwant to it.
But obviously take it can takeover your life just to get to
that level.
But this is the whole ethos ofwhat I preach and what how I
teach, because helping peoplesee that it's like what we do
(28:39):
with fitness, what we do thatbodies and for bodies is so much
more than how it looks.
I started saying this recently,which is quite controversial,
but I think your body no offenseto everyone your body is the
least interesting thing aboutyou.
Everyone has one.
They're all essentially thesame.
It's what you do with it.
It's what's in your heart andyour brain and your soul that
The allows you to go and do goodthings and be a great person
(29:00):
and create stuff and be funnyand caring and support friends
and all like an explore, likeanything you want to do, any
verb.
But Having a body itself in andof it isn't.
Isn't that special, does sevenbillion us and we've all got one
.
Yeah, helping people take thatstep back and going okay.
Well, there's all these otherthings I could be excited about
and reasons for training Isleeping better, high sex drive,
(29:23):
better posture, stronger,faster, better confidence, all
of these things and it's also,it's all symbiotic, linked.
But when you take out theappearance piece and don't do it
for everything else, it becomesso much easier and so much more
exciting because you start torealize What is it?
most people especially if theytrain for their bodies just to
(29:43):
change how they look.
They doing it for someone else,they're not doing it for
themselves, they're doing it tofit in, to say they have to, and
that is never gonna besustaining or sustainable
because it's not a pleasantreason, it's a chore.
I'm doing it because I have todo this versus all the other
ones are.
I want to do it because I feelamazing when I do.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean for me, we find out.
We actually discussed that verybriefly before you came on
about how.
For me personally, for years Iwas very unhappy with my
physique and then I went to theother way.
I was far too far too underway.
It was sustainable, i had noenergy, became a new Like just
really bad, and then I got to aplace where actually, as long as
(30:20):
I felt happy in myself,actually changed sort of how I
was, other people, likerelationships, etc.
But for a lot of, i guess, a bigargument that I always read so
do you try to keep up with thesesorts of things is like who?
who's the blame for why we havethese negative feelings?
is it ourselves?
or is it the media?
because I know, like we're outsome day on the common mates
(30:41):
will see somebody has like themost like ripped body, let's say
, and they'll go on again isthat beautiful?
but they won't.
They won't say about anybodyelse.
So it's like why are you sayingthat?
is that because you're, youthink that is the be all and all
, that's what you have to become?
is it habitually built into us?
because, like back when we werelike Forages, those that were
hunting, getting food and stuffwere more access to the fit.
(31:02):
I've read that before.
Like is it built into us thatwe want to be muscular?
do we want to have thatphysique?
like So do you?
do you think the media doeshave a big part to play in it,
or is it mainly ourselves?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
no, i mean we can't help but be influenced by what
we see in the media we consume.
and yes, like 20 years ago whenI moved to London, when you two
are still growing up at school,the magazines like QX and boys
and attitude every magazine thatwas out there then only ever
had gym fit bodies on the frontand that was at least 10 years
(31:33):
of that, probably longer, goingback.
For even I, even I was pickingthem up.
There has been a certain changeof that.
This, i guess more of the bodypositivity, movement and
accepting and making sure peopleCan feel comfortable on their
terms in their, in their ownskin more and more and you do
see a better representation ofbodies.
But that's the other thing aswell.
So when your friend Iscomparing or looking at someone
(31:55):
on the common, all they're doingis saying all they're beautiful
in very specific, rigid terms,but then You literally only have
that snapshot of them there andthen they could be so miserable
they could absolutely hatetheir life.
They like we just don't know.
But that's what humans arereally bad at.
We project so much onto peoplewho we will never meet or never
(32:16):
speak with, without knowinganything about them.
Well, i'll, he looks like that.
He's happy, he has loads of sex, he's got a great job, he's
rich like he's got loads offriends.
Just don't know that it's whenyou make that leap that two plus
two equals five.
Oh, he's definitely As happy ashe ever could be because he
looks that way.
That's when we do it toourselves as well.
So we get the worst of bothworlds if we're previously, when
(32:38):
we were surrounded by that sortof media and when we were doing
it to ourselves yeah,interesting, i think, something
else for a lot of sort ofyounger generations growing up
and sort of looking throughadult content on online.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
So since lockdown I know it was before there as well
as massive culture,particularly on a site called
only fans, which is sort ofgiving back the control to
people offering So various adultcontent of themselves, and a
lot of them do have thismatching physique.
so obviously anyone goingthrough I know that's supposed
to be able to access these sortsof pages.
but like going to puberty, sortof going to changes growing up,
(33:14):
figuring out their sexuality,etc.
when they do go online to tryand see what they're supposed to
look like, that is kind of oneof the places they Fall upon.
yeah, and do you think that'sgonna have also then kind of a
damaging effect on the youngergenerations growing up?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
potentially, but the thing is this isn't just a gay
problem.
Yeah, it's issue very much ontiktok.
Like the girls and the guyssuper contoured, super like
Posing you know exactly what Imean like filter to within inch
of their lives as well,presenting that this is a real
way.
This is what this is real morethan anything, and I think it's
(33:50):
that I came up with what I thinkis a billion dollar idea, but I
still need to make.
It would be an app that youdownload your phone and just
every time before you open anysocial platform, all it does is
flash up and say this isn't realand it just reminds you like
everyone in some way has curatedor contoured or faked or
filtered or taken 30 selfiesbefore they've got one they're
(34:12):
happy with.
Everyone is doing that.
Like that is definitely notjust an old.
You need to keep us issue.
Yeah, is that sort of extensionof the more you buy into this
world of fakeness, like the moreyou have to have the whitest
teeth, the curvious bum, thebiggest chest, and like when i'm
talking with clients who, forexample, this is sound like a
plot twist, but this is relevantlike i'm talking with client,
(34:34):
say about comfort eating, butthey're eating to comfort
themselves, but like, how muchfood you need to comfort
yourself?
you can't answer that.
And in the same way, howfiltered you need to be, how
perfect you need to present tothe world, because in that, like
online, there's always besomeone with inverted commas,
better body than you always beyou're.
So if that's what you'restriving for, you'll never be
happy because you can neverattain that, because there will
(34:57):
always be someone else who'seven more polished and who knows
if it's fake or not, but evenmore Pristinley created in this
inverted commas, perfectpresentation yeah, i mean, there
was a point back when i startedreleasing instagram which, i'll
be really honest, i did use toedit my photos, to make teeth
white etc.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And i never realized.
When, like a couple years wentpast, i went back through
pictures, i was like, omg, ihave aged so quickly in the last
couple years.
I completely forgot that i'daltered all my photos and it
wasn't until i, like, found theoriginal ones in my camera roll
and i was like oh, oh, okay,actually i looked absolutely
fine back then.
Why did i feel the need to editthem?
(35:35):
so i think that's really, ithink that's really poignant
actually.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So what was your journey to get into the fitness
side of things?
did you were yours into thatschool and therefore carried on
into adult life, or did youdiscover it later on?
because i know for mepersonally, i Hate it, pe
fitness.
it was horrendous, it was theworst time of the week and i
would do anything to get out ofit.
so i always came to fitnessinitially in What a negative
(36:02):
background, i guess just fromprevious experience that's
absolutely the same with me aswell.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
As i went to school that was very rugby focused and
i was a very skinny, spindlychild who, funny enough, didn't
like being beaten up in the mudtwice a week in winter.
Obviously, as an adult some ofthose things appeal.
Now, back as a child wasn'twhat i was into, all looking for
, and also it was just such ahard aggressive way of getting
(36:27):
into sport and fitness and Thebasic ethos of my school is if
you want to rugby basicallyassumed you want to.
Anything else in the eightieswas very little support and
Nurturing of anything else otherthan the a rugby team.
So i went through school tryinga few other things but nothing
really sticking cuz.
It just wasn't that passionthat there was from the teachers
and the school for anythingother than rugby.
(36:48):
When university tried jim walkin, didn't want to do walk down,
move to London.
My twenties basically the same,and it wasn't until i'm randomly
joined, went to bootcamp with afriend And it was just because
it felt so different to what ithought sport fitness was,
because it was by myself, itwasn't in competition with
anyone, it was outside in thesun, which obviously made it
(37:08):
better.
It was on my doorstep and itjust Really just switch flick
and i realized, oh, i've beenwrong for twenty five years.
It can make me feel better, itcan make me sleep better, all
these other things.
I started to just see and feeldifferent about myself and that
was when i started to exploreother ways of why i got a gym
(37:30):
membership and i found a goodtrainer who was really kind and
understanding, just help me onmy journey, going from there
like and then just running withthe ball and getting into it a
bit more, realizing this is whatchanging me in a good way.
It's giving me that my voice, myconfidence, my boundaries I'm.
Actually, when i started as atrainer, originally i was a face
to face trainer in the park onclub common and train people In
(37:51):
the traditional way and i workwith anyone.
But it was when, about sixyears ago, i started building an
online version that i realized,hang on, as a gay man, this is
help me so much.
I just find just feel more athome in my own skin.
I realized there are so manyother guys out there just like
me who didn't know where tostart, felt intimidated in james
, would like to do something,but just had no clue how to do
(38:13):
that, and that was when Fit, acompany you specifically working
with gay by trans queer guys,was born.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
That is amazing and so good that we have people like
you to lead on so quick fitness, because i do feel a lot of
lgbtq plus community reallystruggle to find their place
within that.
So it was so amazing when yougot in touch with us and we
definitely want to Hear allabout it.
Yeah, and cause you've also gota wonderful book out as well
which you sent to us and we hada little read of and it's
(38:39):
fantastic.
Thank you, that's very kind.
So the book is called fitter,confident universe And it's an
lgbtq bus guides to well beingon our terms, which i think is
absolutely amazing.
Yeah, guys, how long did ittake you to write the book?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm about five months last year, january to may, i
did it.
I basically set these reallytough guidelines because i know
me, if i had more time, i justwould have taken more time.
But i just knew i had to get itdone And i wrote it just because
it didn't exist.
It didn't really like.
The book goes into lgbtq plushistory as well, to help people
understand why we don't alwayslearn to prioritize ourselves,
(39:16):
why we don't always see thevalue in Health and well being,
a things like that and justsaying it's okay to do on your
terms.
You can do home workouts, youdon't have to join a gym like
giving all these options just toshow people the reason One size
fits all way to make it workfor you.
It's about the more you said doit on our terms, more you can
do on your terms, more just makesense.
The more it feels like yours isslots into your life, like with
(39:39):
less and less pressure, justbecome something you can enjoy
as opposed to something i'd likei said at the start that you
feel you have to do yeah, thatmakes total sense.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
And what would be your advice on someone who may
be at a bit of a similarbackground to me?
hated fitness at school, hatepe and therefore is now trying
to find that journey, but withinan lgbtq plus world.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Awesome question.
So the strength in numbers, sofinding your tribe and like.
For there are this more andmore brilliant lgbtq plus
fitness groups, sports clubs andthat doesn't mean you,
obviously.
Sports clubs might sound a bitaggressive if you've never done
anything before, but There's allsorts of things from squash,
tennis, rowing.
Obviously there's quite a fewgay rugby group teams now as
(40:20):
well, which is brilliant, butAnything you want any.
If there was a sport you wantedto do a promise that's an lgbtq
plus group out there doing itand that just means that takes
out the one.
Like.
The one thing that we all haveto do all day to people is come
out, even though straight peoplethink you come out once and
that's it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you guys know you comeout when you speak to a taxi
(40:41):
driver, when you're in a shop,anytime you meet someone new,
you have to come out.
But that just removes that onestress by your instantly around
people who get you but equallydoesn't need to be a sport team,
could be an online group.
So i've got a brilliantfacebook group of an amazing
community that's free to join.
That is all about motivation,support, encouragement, helping
people how to.
(41:02):
It's never about appearance.
What that group does is showsguys from all around the world,
all different body types,backgrounds, exercise interests,
fitness levels, doing theirthing And people get cheered on.
And what is really amazing iswhen people and this happens,
not just this happens in anygroup when you find your tribe,
this is people who discover it'sjust as powerful to be cheered
(41:23):
on as to cheer on your friends,because then you're part of
something and you feel like morethan the sum of its parts.
There's like a greater movementthere.
My favorite phrase is a risingtide lifts all boats.
Like we rise together.
We support each other and weget stronger and fitter and
happier and healthier and moreconfident together by looking
out for each other.
(41:43):
So, finding people to do it withand if you don't want to, if
you're not like into finding agroup or whatever like that, you
almost.
If you're looking to getstarted, i'm pretty confident
you will have one friend whodoes go to the gym And if
they're your friend, i'm surethey'll be nice enough to go
with you.
Get a guest pass and let themshow you round And go into the
gym, even if you're nervous.
(42:03):
Going with someone else likemore than halves any
embarrassment or stress levelsbecause you get to share the
experience with a friend whohopefully cares about you and
wants you to feel happy andrelaxed.
So doing things with friendswell, or finding groups as well,
they're absolutely the best wayforward because it just means
just makes it more fun and itshould be fun.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, Brad, don't get anyideas, i'm not going to the gym
showers with you.
Listen, matt, i feel like youare such a guru on this topic.
I could actually listen to youchat about it for ages and, i'll
be honest, your voice is givingme absolute like in McKellen
vibe.
You have the most soothing tone.
(42:44):
I'm just sat here absolutelylistening to you, like literally
word for word.
It's so nice to hear somebodywho knows this world inside out
and is using that for good forother people.
So genuinely thank you foreverything that you've done.
And if people want to go andread your book, where can they
go and get it?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Easiest one is just hop onto Amazon and search
Fritter Confident Universe andthat's Universe, with YOU at the
start.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yes, and it's got a lovely picture of you on it as
well.
Here you are looking at mewhilst I talk to you, And if
people want to find you onsocial medias, websites, etc.
where can they go for that aswell?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
So fittunet, i know edgynet.
And then on the socials isFitter You Global on Twitter,
instagram and Facebook Awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, matt, thank you so much for taking the time to
come on board.
We have loved having you on andit's been an absolute pleasure
talking to you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Guys, thank you.
I'm really grateful for theopportunity and this has been a
joy, which obviously I knew itwould be, because I listened to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
But thank you for just putting me at ease.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Thank you Well.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Matt, i'll probably see you on the common in the
summer, so see you there.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
And I'll see you on the other part of the common.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Who am I?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
bringing the Lamborghini to.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh, Matt, thanks so much once again and we'll see
you soon.
Bye Cheers.
Wow, what a lovely guy Matt is.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
So lovely And, honestly, did you not get
Gandalf vibes?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yes, the soothing voice.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I guess he's like very wise is an expert, bit of a
guru.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
So yeah, I can see where you're going with this.
You Fun fact.
did you know Ian McKellenchanged that line It's supposed
to be.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
You may not pass.
Oh there you go.
Wow, they didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
So glad I know that story.
I'll see better tonight knowingthat Thanks.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Daddy McKellen told me himself Thanks, thanks.
I did not have him, please,nobody.
Yes, it was because he was wise, but also that voice is so
soothing.
I was just sat here likeactually forgetting to ask
questions, because I was likeyou could just talk to me for
hours.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
You never say that about my voice.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Well, my mother always said if you don't have
anything nice to say, don't sayanything at all.
Get your mess, get your mess,oh my goodness.
No, but that was really lovelyto hear from Matt.
(45:13):
Like we said before, we havebeen trying to get him on the
podcast for a very long time, soit's a topic that's actually
very close to my heart, as youknow.
We've touched on it a couple oftimes, so I yeah, it's really
nice to see somebody putting outthis positive approach to
fitness, especially within theLGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I totally agree.
And if you were sat therelistening to our chat and
thinking do you know what Ireally want to start my fitness
journey, Then today is yourlucky day.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's right.
The lovely Matt Boyles hasoffered us a once in a lifetime
prize.
It's an online training programone to one with Gandalf himself
, Mr Matt Boyles, which is wortha thousand pounds.
He has given us this prize togive to one of you lucky, lucky
listeners.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That is such an amazing prize.
I actually want to enter it outmyself.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I know right.
Can we do that?
The producer's shaking his head.
We're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
But, benji, how can you win this incredible prize?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, i'm so pleased you asked me, brad.
What we want you to do is writeinto us with your fitness flops
.
Now, this could be somethingthat happened at school.
This could be something thathappened at the gym.
Maybe you tried to do couch to5K and lockdown.
Did it go awfully wrong?
Whatever it is, whatever youthink is your best, funniest
fitness flop, we want to hearfrom you, and to do that, you
(46:32):
just need to send us a messageon our Instagram, which is at
Big Gay Podcast, or, of course,you can email us, which is hello
at mybiggaypodcastcom.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Benji, I've just had a flashback Back to Brighton.
Do you remember when we foundout all the trains had just been
cancelled And we were talkinglike what do we do?
Do we stay, do we get an Uber,do we find accommodation?
And you're like guys, i've gotmy accommodation sorted already.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Don't you worry about me.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And I look at you and you're on Grindr chatting to
about five different boys, alloffering you to stay over.
Do?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
you worry about me guys.
Bye babies, Bye babies, I'mfine, I'm fine.
Yeah, And that to be fair, yes,that did happen, But from what
I remember, you're like Benji.
Could you just ask them if,like, we can all come sleep over
as well?
Like nothing sexual, like yougo in and do your business.
We literally just want to sleepon the couch before our next
train.
Don't ask that, Yeah, Anyway.
(47:29):
I've got to go because I've gota train to catch Where you
going Brighton, but podcast isall we have time for This week's
episode of my Big Gay Podcast.
If you don't already, pleasehead over to our Instagram It's
at Big Gay Podcast or over toour website, which is
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(47:50):
And, like we said, we'rerunning a competition this week
where you could win a thousandpound prize of online one to one
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himself.
All you have to do is to sendus in your fitness flops to our
Instagram page or to our email,which is hello at
mybiggaypodcastcom.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Benji, you've totally taken over and haven't left
anything for me to say.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yes, mate, i've got a train to catch, so like.
I said podcast is all we havetime for in this week's episode.
Until next time, see you next.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Wednesday Right Now that we've finished the podcast
recording, you can open up yourwindow.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Oh, because I am so hot in here.
The neighbors are still outthere, though, so, um yeah, i'll
open it quietly.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I can't believe that you have to hide from your
neighbors because you had sexwith one of them.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
That is outrageous.
Honestly, do you know what'sreally outrageous, what?
I've also slept with yourneighbors.
Hello and welcome to this week's episode of my big
gay podcast.
With me a bottle of tequila.
And me a bottle of vodka Givingyou the life, but that's your
line.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, my goodness, i feel like this episode is going
to be as chaotic as our weekendtogether.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I think so too.
We have to get through theopening.
We've done it for five seasons.
Let's do it, that's it Right,let's try again.
Hello and welcome to thisweek's episode of my big gay
podcast with me Benji.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And me, Brad, giving you the life, the loves and
lovelies of living in London Twogays, one city.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
What could possibly?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
go wrong.
I mean two gays slash, two veryhungover gays today, yeah, and
two cities from this lastweekend and it all went wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It really did.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, butbefore we get into that, how are
you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Do you know what?
When we obviously said thatwe're going to be recording the
day after going to Brighton, Iwas thinking this recording is
going to be a struggle.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't feel too bad today.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I actually this is pretty the best hangover I've
possibly ever had, but I do feellike a hollow shell.
I haven't got the hangoverpains.
I haven't even got anxiety, andfor those of you who don't know
what that is, it's when you'rehungover and just you feel
anxious about everything, likewhat did I do last night?
What am I doing with my life?
Have I invested in the correctpension scheme?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
These are the sorts of things that keep me up at
night, All right but, I do feellike, yeah, hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It's like an Easter ring, like, oh, it looks so
great and amazing outside Andthen you like tap it and it
crumbles the thinnest pieces ofchocolate.
I feel like that.
I feel like I look gorge, buton the inside a hollow chocolate
egg.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
One poke and you're going to fall apart.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I mean, I don't really like being poked.
We've discussed this multipletimes.
So I would probably fall aparton a good day, but right now it
would not be good.
But yeah, other than that, ithink I feel okay, which is
amazing considering whatactually went on at the weekend,
which I feel we should probablyget straight into so that
people realise we sound as rough, why we sound as rough as we do
(02:44):
, absolutely, yeah, gosh, thatsentence was a struggle.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't normally struggle to get words out, i
know you're pretty good withyour words, but yeah, that
wasn't your best today.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Thanks, mate way to pick me up when I'm feeling shit
.
I mean, where do we start?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well, from the very beginning, which is a very good
place to start, Julie Andrewstold us many, many years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Let's start at the very beginning, a very good
place to start.
I mean, has anyone heard fromJulie Andrews recently?
Because I've not seen anythingon social media and I feel like
we should just check in with her.
So if any gays actually knowJulie, could you just, you know,
check.
She's all right, julie.
You're at hand, But no yeah,you start mate, because I
(03:33):
actually don't know where tostart.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Well, we went to Brighton for a day party,
basically a day drinking session.
It was our friend's 30thbirthday, which is amazing.
He's the youngest of the group.
So I feel like we've now doneall of our big 30th birthdays,
Because the last few years ithas been big birthday after big
birthday, And this was the lastone.
Yeah, happy birthday, StephenHappy birthday, But I didn't
realize how close Brighton wasto London.
(03:55):
Really It was like an hour onthe train.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I mean it should have been an hour on the train, but
we decided to go to Brighton onthe hottest day of the year.
Even in the morning.
When my alarm went off at likehalf past six in the morning, it
was like today records could beset as the hottest day in June
of the last decade And I waslike brilliant, and we're going
to sit on a train.
Everyone's going to have thesame idea as us.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, and they did, And all the trains were delayed
and cancelled classic Britishtrains.
But yeah, we did get there inthe end, didn't we?
We did.
After the delayed And it waslike being on holiday.
We walked off, we went down tothe beach and I was like I feel
like we're in Spain right now.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
This is amazing.
Yeah, it was absolutelybeautiful And actually when we
got to Brighton it wasn't asmobbed as I thought.
I mean probably because I sortof associate Brighton with pride
, yeah, when you literally can'teven move on the streets, yeah,
so this wasn't too bad, but itwas.
It was so hot.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So hot, yeah, i mean we went straight to the beach.
We got tinnies on the way andwe was on the beach for about an
hour.
Then we were like, okay, weneed some shade.
This is yeah, we're getting abit overheated here.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, we kind of just got settled on the beach and I
was like, okay, it's like 32degrees, this is stunning.
Any of our American friendslistening like 32, is that it?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I'm not.
Is that it, Yeah, Any of ourworldwide listeners?
this is like a really reallyhot day for the UK.
We're not prepared for it.
There's no air, con nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Nothing's air conned Like it's just it is miserable.
We got to the beach, got allset up and then after about 20
minutes, everyone was like, okay, we're done on the beach.
And I kept on being like let'sgo buy some shops, guys, get
some drinks, meaning like water,maybe some fruit juice.
Everyone's like oh, great idea.
Tinnies, tinnies, tinnies, tins, tins tins across the board.
(05:38):
Literally I was like, okay,some sort of like non-alcoholic
drink would probably be good,but what do I know?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, right, but right by the beach is the
Brighton Pinn Famous, isn't it,because it is just full of like
arcades and rides and all thekind of seaside stuff that you
would want to do in the UK, andwe had the best time on the pier
.
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, it was good fun , The guys slot machines, little
games like sweets, like there'sa soft play area which sadly I
was too tall to go into.
You can buy like chips, candy,floss, and then, yeah, there are
all the rides as well.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But you weren't feeding the rides.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Listen, i'm a thrill seeker.
I love me a bit of Disney, aswe know Thorpe Park, alton
Towers, all the men in places.
But there's just something inme that says do not trust a ride
that has been built onscaffolding, balanced over the
ocean, which the previous pierhad burnt down twice.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, you are literally on the water, aren't
you?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Wooden slats And I was worried that I was going to
drop my phone and then I wasgoing to lose it all down the
pier.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa .
You were not worried, you weregoing to drop your phone.
We were all worried because youget to opening your bag and be
like where's my phone and yourwallet?
It was like precariously, likebalance, like just about to fall
into the ocean below.
Like there's no getting thatback.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I know, and also I've only just got back my ID.
You know I lost my ID last week.
Yeah, i applied for my newlicense.
That came really really fast.
I was very impressed with theUK government on that one.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah you would have thought it would be a really
good opportunity for you to beused like a more current photo
of yours, not one pre-hairtransplant.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It was a pre-hair transplant photo.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Who is this bald man on your ID?
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh goodness, Yeah, we did the rides.
You did get me on one of therides.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I did.
yes, The famous ghost train.
Is it famous?
Well, our friends told usafterwards it was actually.
it won the award for the worstghost train in Britain, Great.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, I'm pleased I spent five pounds on that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
It was awful.
Were you scared?
No, the scariest bit for me wassitting next to you.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
If I'm honest, Okay, that was literally what I was
about to say.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
I read your mind.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
What was even scarier was being stuck in a car like
seat belted in next to you insomething that could break down
in the 34 degree heat, becauseinside that thing was a furnace.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
With those like cheesy things that kept popping
out, like those plasticskeletons.
Oh, it was so bad.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I mean, at one point you went around the corner and
you could literally just see thefuse box.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
You could see the extension cables like plugging
into these.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, So bad So so bad But we've got to do it as
like a tradition with the groupof gays, like whatever kind of
seaside town we're in.
If there's a little theme park,you have to do the ghost train.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
It's like a thing to do, yeah, but I was then very
much ready for some clubs.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yes, And the gay bus.
there are just so many inBrighton.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Do you know what I'm going to do?
you know Soho and Clapham Dirty, but Brighton You have the most
lovely group of LGBTQ pluspeople.
Yes, it was so friendly, sonice.
Everyone was chatting like oh,i haven't seen you before.
Oh, we're from London.
Oh great, we've been to London,we've done this.
But like, just genuinely,everyone was lovely.
We went to what was it calledthe Queen's Arms to see a drag
(08:55):
show, which was brilliant.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, she was hilarious, she was so funny.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Davina Sparkle, her name was Yeah, and she was like
pick on on all of us, like, oh,from London, like just making us
all really welcome.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, it was lovely.
And also the drinks prices.
Hello, when they came through Iwas like I'm sorry, i don't
think you've added that upcorrectly.
Yeah, you said he has 14 pounds, but I bought like four drinks,
so like, no, no, that's 14pounds for four drinks.
Yeah, i'm like that's one drinkin London.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, the first bar we went to was called Center
Stage, also a drag show.
It was great.
I went and ordered a drink.
It's on the front, it's got bigbalcony overlooking the sea,
like prime location Beautiful.
Yeah, i ordered a Keelah SodaLime Cordial and it was four
pounds.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That is just unheard of, isn't it?
I can't believe it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Four quid.
And then the next venue bottlesof Prosecco 23 pounds, amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Cheap, amazing.
We should go there more oftenWe should go there every weekend
.
Yeah, we spend like a fortunegoing out in London.
Yeah, well, you do, that is sotrue.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Drinks on me, lads.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Put the card down, put it away.
Well, that's not the card we'retalking about.
But yeah, no one wants to seethat Again.
No, it was good, but it did.
The reason why we are soexhausted is it did go ever so
slightly wrong nearer the end.
So we were in the Queen's Armsand a couple of us were flagging
(10:18):
.
We were like, look, there wassort of chats of trying to get a
hotel, wasn't there?
Yes, but we're like let's justsee what time the last train is.
Blah, blah, blah, ping, ping,ping, ping, ping.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Canceled Next train canceled, all the trains
canceled.
We were stranded in Brightonwith nowhere to stay.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, even the Ibis was like £200 a night for two
people.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But also, it was just so hot, wasn't it?
We was out and about anyway,but we had to keep going outside
to cool down.
I was like we could just sit onthe beach, like on that hot.
And yeah, we carried onclubbing, didn't we?
until whatever time it was.
And then we got the first trainback to London at like half
four in the morning.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, don't miss out the worst part of the whole trip
, which is when we went to asubway at like 3am which was
open.
They would.
They turned the toaster off at11pm.
I mean, why even be open?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I know you were furious about that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
It's actually when we went in, there was a hendu
already in there.
They were like, don't bother,they've turned the toaster off.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And by that point I was done, I was ready to go and
I was just sat on the pavementoutside with my hood up, Like I
just want to get into my bed.
We've been drinking since likehalf 11 in the morning.
It's now like half three thefollowing morning.
Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, i didn't actually get into bed till just
before 7am Yeah same Yeah, Abouthalf six got into bed Yeah.
I'd literally been pying for 24hours.
Well, I've been out for 24hours and essentially drinking
for the majority of that.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, but it was so good though.
What a great day.
I love Brighton.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
It was so good.
If you can, if you are sort ofin the areas where you can get
to Brighton for a weekend,definitely would recommend it.
It doesn't even have to be aweekend, you know, it could be
any day of the week.
Well, actually that's a goodpoint.
At one of the bars we were like, oh, we're just wondering where
, like some other drag shows are.
They gave us like a full on mapflyer for the month of every
single show going on at all thedifferent venues, for every
single day.
It was.
It was so good.
(12:00):
Yeah, it was amazing.
Yeah, the Gays definitely runthat town.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh, yes, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Gay capital of the UK .
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I mean the Gays would run the world if we ever got a
shot, Some of us would.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
If I was just in you and Boris Johnson, I may still
pick Boris Johnson.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
No, you wouldn't, Absolutely not.
We'll see, but more of thestory is Go To Brighton, lads,
for a nice game day out.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Go To Brighton.
Book your accommodation inadvance.
The train for us was like 14quid.
It was absolutely bargain, yeah, but yeah.
So much to do, so much sun tosee all the frolics.
Get yourself to Brighton if youcan.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Right, benji, i know you're hung over today, but we
do have a very special guest onthis week's episode, so do not
mess this up for us, ok.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Excuse me, i'm on top form today.
You are the one that's bad withhangovers.
I woke up this morning and Iput my little vitamin C tablet.
I've taken my vitamin B andthis delicious little
multivitamin gummy which I'mpretty sure I just eat because
they taste like sweets Andthat's me being healthy.
Wow, you've taken all the pillstoday, all those above board
(13:13):
over the counter legal pills,mum, i promise.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
But before we get on to our special guest, i thought
it might be worth talking aboutsummer being around the corner
and that's so exciting, right?
Well, i'd love it when it'ssummer in the UK, yeah, but do
you feel that there's a bit of apressure in terms of wearing
less clothes and body image andbeing like that summer body
ready?
(13:40):
in quotation marks, because Idon't really agree with that
statement.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh gosh, i know.
Do you remember that bigcampaign on the tube that
everyone hated, the Beach BodyReady campaign?
Oh, horrible, yeah, ok.
So, in short, yes, mepersonally I do feel a lot of
pressures in this field.
Obviously, i grew up on a verysmall island which is all
beaches, so as soon as the sun'sout, everyone is sort of
topless anyway.
But being in Brighton actuallyreally it wasn't like a horrible
(14:06):
feeling, but it really took meback to sitting on the beach,
feeling really hot and beingterrified to wear less clothes.
I used to sit on the beach inlike three-quarter length short
trousers, things.
They were cool back then.
All right, big fleece massivehood up.
No well, yeah, you joke, but Icould jump.
Oh wow, like long sleeve, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Because in Brighton there were a lot of topless
people around, weren't there?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, but I must be honest, in Brighton I there was
people of like all differentbody shapes and sizes, like and
people just didn't care, which Ikind of loved.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Because when we go to somebody they're like clap and
common, it's so.
It's a very different vibe.
Yeah, it's just like, i don'tknow, like a catwalk for people
who have literally livedreligiously at the gym Yeah, for
the past four months or how itactually probably years, but
specifically the last fourmonths so they can walk around
in tiny speedos with rock hardbody.
Sure, yeah, we'll leave thatthere, but yeah, so that was.
(15:05):
That was a strange sort of youknow, reminding me of what it
was like when I was younger.
But I think I don't think it'sjust for the individual person
to feel pressure.
I think anyone would be lyingif they said they didn't feel
the pressure.
Even people that have invertedcommas, the perfect body, which
we'll come back to, uh-huh, ithink even they feel the
(15:27):
pressure because they have tokeep up with it.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, The maintenance of that, because I know you've
been gym in this year, yeah, andI've been dipping in and out,
yeah.
As I do The pool, yeah,literally.
But I find it really hard to beconsistent at the gym because I
do have quite a busy sociallife, as do you, yeah, and
trying to balance that with work.
I just don't want my sociallife to be affected where I say
(15:49):
like, oh, i can't come outtonight because I've got a gym
class to go to, or I don't wantto have a late one on a Saturday
night because I want to do thegym on Sunday.
You know, i just don't want mylife to be dictated by just
going to the gym.
Yeah.
But I agree there should belike a balance, you know, of
being sort of trying to behealthy, um, but I struggled to
find that balance personally.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think I've spoken on this
before but like when I was like15, let's say 16, I was at my
like my biggest, biggest stageand I was like 18 stone I was.
I'm not even that tall, So Iwas vastly overweight for my age
And I remember feelingmiserable And then sort of
moving away from home to college, dancing all day.
(16:29):
Weight literally just droppedoff me.
I found the gym and I got intoa really unhealthy place with
fitness.
I look back at pictures and I'mlike I'm literally unwell, Like
you can see the bones in myface, Like it was just really
not good.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So, one extreme to the other, you went Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Basically, i mean, look, i I never had any.
Um, uh, i wouldn't say I wouldlabel myself with any disorders,
to put it lightly.
I don't want to say any wordsbecause it's quite triggering
some people, um, but I don't.
I don't feel like I had any ofthose.
I literally just ate too muchwhen I was younger and then it
got into a routine and it was.
It was bad for me.
I don't think my mental healthwas great And I think I use food
(17:08):
as a way of trying to suppressemotion.
Um, but it's insane.
Yeah, i do go to the gym more,but I do it purely for me.
I don't do it for an end goalof having a specific physique.
I really and I genuinely meanthis, hand on heart, i do not
care about having a six pack.
I do not care about having likezero percent body fat, i don't
care.
All I care about is getting tothat space where I personally,
(17:31):
for me, feel comfortable walkingaround in just swim shorts
without feeling like people arelooking at me in a negative way.
Uh-huh, that's my only goal andthat is purely personal.
And I've had boyfriends be likeyou go to the gym for way too
long, like you don't need to doit.
You just need to go for an hour, do this workout, blah, blah,
blah.
And I have always said to themlike look, i'm not going to hit
(17:53):
these stats, i'm not going to dothese specific reps or whatever
it is you want to do at the gym, which is fine.
I go to clear my head and tofeel like I am getting enough
physical exercise to make mefeel confident within my own
body.
Yeah, um, and I think somepeople don't get that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, cause I know you go to like switch your phone
off and have an escape fromwork and the busy life for a
couple of hours.
So, I, you know, i do applaudyou for that Cause it's very
difficult to switch off,particularly living in the city
and doing the work that we didin the jobs that we do, where we
kind of like on call all thetime, constant.
So yeah, i fully applaud youfor doing that for that reason.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Thank you, i mean it's again.
It's completely selfish.
I don't care, saying that it ispurely for me And it is my time
that I give myself.
But listen, I think I thinkbody image we're never, there's
never going to be a point wherethe whole world is like cured of
body hangups or, you know, ofdisorders or because it is kind
(18:53):
of life and it changesconstantly.
The pressures on younger peoplechange every few years, like it
was.
Everyone wanted to be sort ofmore curvy And then everyone's
come back to want to be likehair and chic, skinny, and we're
very much at the mercy of thefashion industry and sort of
films and who's famous and etc.
Etc.
Etc.
So it's we're always going tohave these battles.
(19:14):
So I think getting somebodyonto the podcast that we will be
having later on which is veryexciting, somebody who comes in
it from a completely differentangle but pushing it into
mainstream sort of gay culture,like to battle this stigma, i
think, is it's really important.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I'm really and I'm very much excited to hear what
Matt has to say and sort of whatmade him start and made him
feel like he was sort of makinga difference and what keeps him
going, because do you think gaysthat go down that like muscle
route is because of maybebullying when they were younger
and therefore kind ofovercompensating when they're
older to be like, okay, well,I've now got these muscles and
(19:51):
I've got this like stereotypicalmasculine look and kind of make
up for all the times wherepeople call me like a sissy or a
fennboy or whatever back atschool?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I don't think there is a definitive, single answer
to that question.
Sure, yeah, i think people goto the gym to feel secure in
their body.
Some of them go, yes, to feelattractive to other people
because of, maybe, somethingthat happened in their past,
maybe they really struggled withtheir coming out, and so they
want validation by beingsuddenly very attractive to
(20:25):
whoever it is, whatever genderor like playing up to that
stereotype of what attractive is.
Yeah, maybe, and I think it'salso like when people wear a lot
of makeup.
I feel like it's a form ofdefense And I do think from that
, sometimes you do go a bit toofar and you become a bit toxic
and you forget to get to knowpeople for actually who they are
(20:45):
, not for what they look like.
Sure, that makes sense, which Ireally struggle within the gay
scene for that, like talking topeople, i can tell, like new
people in clubs, i can tell theyare judging me on what I'm
wearing, what I look like, or Ifeel that they are.
I should say They don'tnecessarily.
They're not talking to me justto get to know me, which is
actually what I felt in Brighton.
(21:05):
When they were coming up in theclubs and talking to us, i felt
like they genuinely cared aboutwhere we'd come from, like
wanting to know a little bitabout us, not just because of
what we individually looked like.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely got a sense of a real
gay community in Brighton,definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, and I do feel the gay scene in London it needs
to change.
I think it is changing, but Ithink it needs to.
it's got a long way to go.
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Well, listen, we're about to have an expert come on
to my big gay podcast who knowsall about this, because he is a
fitness expert for the LGBTQplus community.
So why don't we take a littleshort break and we'll bring on
the wonderful Matt Boyles?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
This is a final call for Benji and Brad travelling to
Jersey for Channel IslandsPride.
Oh mate, hurry up, we're goingto miss the flight.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Benji, I can't run in these Espa drills.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Gosh well, what a shame it'll be for them to get
left behind.
Look, just put that book downand hurry up.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It says here that Jersey has over 30 beaches and
is the sunniest place in theBritish Isles.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, and we won't get there if you don't take those
shoes and sun hat off.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Wait, how is my sun?
hat slowing me down.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's not, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Whoa?
did you know that ChannelIsland Pride is one of the most
attended events in the islands?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yes, and this year they're going huge, with a main
stage, a cabaret stage andperformances from Top Drag
Queens, local artists, silentdisco, dance tent and some
exciting headlining acts yet tobe announced.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Quick.
Do you need anything from DutyFree?
Have you packed protection?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Of course I have it's Factor 30.
Not that kind Oh.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Come and pie with us at Channel Island Pride in
Jersey Saturday, the 16th ofSeptember.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
It's only a 40 minute flight from most UK airports,
so pack your speedos, pack yoursunnies pack your sun cream and
we'll see you at the beach.
For more information, head tochannelilandsprideorg.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, Benji, I am very, very excited for our guest
today.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm excited as well although I do have a slight like
imposter syndrome with the factthat we've got like a fitness
confidence coach coming on thepodcast when we've only recently
just woken up after like threehours sleep from our all night
venture in Brighton.
There's something that doesn'tquite add up there but we're
going to go with it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's all about balance.
You know we have a heavyweekend and now we're talking
about fitness, so we're going tomeet in the middle.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I don't think that was meeting in the middle and I
do not think that that isbalanced.
But hey, we're going to see howit goes.
I'm going to try and forgetabout the half cooked subway
that I can still taste in mymouth.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Is that the only thing you can taste in your
mouth?
Anyways without further ado.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I am very, very excited to welcome on the
founder and CEO of FitterConfident U, which is an online
personal training platformtailored to the LGBTQ plus
community.
He has worked with over 1400people around the world.
It is the one, the only, thelovely, matt Boyles.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Hi guys, Hello Matt, How are you?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
I'm very well, thank you, good good.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Thrilled to be here.
Oh, we are so excited to haveyou on Now.
Before we get going, we want tohear your mic check, So could
you give us your best mic checkfor us?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
All right, give out a mic, check one, two and I can't
remember the lyrics, because Iforgot to look up the lyrics.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I don't know the lyrics either.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
That's right, you gave the best ones.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
How was that?
That was perfect?
Oh, few.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I mean, does anyone really know the lyrics to that
song or is it just that one bit?
Just that one bit is the onebit.
But, yeah, thank you so muchfor taking the time to come on
to the podcast.
especially on a day as hot astoday, it is sweltering, but,
yeah, we're very happy you'rehere.
So thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Pleasure, and, matt, you are also a fellow Clapham
gay, but I've yet to see you onthe common.
Will you be there this summer?
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Sorry, just clarification on which part of
the common I think it's needed.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I do indeed love living so close to the common.
Having that on my doorstep, iobviously completely rammed this
weekend Exactly Just lovely,open space to be able to get out
into.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Oh, great, great.
Well, as you know, we have justcome back from a weekend in
Brighton which was quite chaoticin the end, but it was so much
fun.
And we were actually justtalking about the summer and how
lovely it is in the UK whenit's summertime, but maybe the
pressures that that comes within terms of body image and maybe
having to wear sort of lesserclothes or like beach clothes,
(25:53):
that kind of thing, and we weresort of saying about the
pressures that maybe we feelabout that.
So I guess you're the expert onthis anyway And I wondered do
you find that a lot of yourclients come to you this time of
year for that reason?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Absolutely That, and also just not knowing how to get
started.
The two main reasons that Ihear from people most of the
time body image, body confidence.
oh, i'm going on holiday.
I feel stressed.
take my top off.
But getting comfortable withyour top off is a journey that
all of us have to go on in someway.
But, brad, you were at MightyHoopla last weekend as well,
weren't you?
I was Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Boy, who was he?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
In my pink glitter cape.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
I've done my homework .
I was too as well And what Ithink is going to be really
helpful to people is so therewere 30,000 basically gays there
And obviously all the otheramazing people across the LGBTQ
spectrum, but of people withthose sort of bodies in inverted
commas, who people who clearlylive in the gym and may or may
(26:51):
not take steroids, but becauseyou just don't know, but they
were such a tiny proportion like0.0000001.
Everyone else had, in invertedcommas, normal bodies, regular
bodies, bodies that let them godancing for two days in the park
.
I think we've built this up inour minds, our collective gay
consciousness, that everyonelooks like they work out 10 days
(27:14):
a week, everyone is so obsessedwith fitness that they don't
allow themselves to eat any foodthey want, and also people
believe that a there themajority and be that they will
really mean, and I just don'tthink it's the case.
I think we've talked ourselvesinto this corner where we
believe it, but actually thelived experience, when you get
out there and see all of ouramazing cohort and compare trace
, just isn't the case.
(27:35):
I think we just like part ofthe thing we need to start doing
is just questioning our ownfears around it and say is this
really true?
is this really real?
are we really pressured intolooking that way, or is it just
something we've sort of Likethis color, got this collective
fear over, even though itdoesn't actually exist?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
sure does that make sense?
yeah, i think it's because whenI was growing up I would buy by
underwear and it's always sixpack people wearing the pants,
yeah, and I guess I'm not thegame magazines, and it was
always that kind of look of likeoh, if you want to be like a
hot man, you need to have thatsix pack and that body and I
think that's what's always putme off of going to the gym is
(28:12):
sort of seeing those people withthose bodies and thinking all
my body does not compare, soThat's put me off.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Go in no, i guess the flip side is, their bodies
didn't look like that when theystarted that's very true.
Anyone can look like that if youwant to it.
But obviously take it can takeover your life just to get to
that level.
But this is the whole ethos ofwhat I preach and what how I
teach, because helping peoplesee that it's like what we do
(28:39):
with fitness, what we do thatbodies and for bodies is so much
more than how it looks.
I started saying this recently,which is quite controversial,
but I think your body no offenseto everyone your body is the
least interesting thing aboutyou.
Everyone has one.
They're all essentially thesame.
It's what you do with it.
It's what's in your heart andyour brain and your soul that
The allows you to go and do goodthings and be a great person
(29:00):
and create stuff and be funnyand caring and support friends
and all like an explore, likeanything you want to do, any
verb.
But Having a body itself in andof it isn't.
Isn't that special, does sevenbillion us and we've all got one
.
Yeah, helping people take thatstep back and going okay.
Well, there's all these otherthings I could be excited about
and reasons for training Isleeping better, high sex drive,
(29:23):
better posture, stronger,faster, better confidence, all
of these things and it's also,it's all symbiotic, linked.
But when you take out theappearance piece and don't do it
for everything else, it becomesso much easier and so much more
exciting because you start torealize What is it?
most people especially if theytrain for their bodies just to
(29:43):
change how they look.
They doing it for someone else,they're not doing it for
themselves, they're doing it tofit in, to say they have to, and
that is never gonna besustaining or sustainable
because it's not a pleasantreason, it's a chore.
I'm doing it because I have todo this versus all the other
ones are.
I want to do it because I feelamazing when I do.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean for me, we find out.
We actually discussed that verybriefly before you came on
about how.
For me personally, for years Iwas very unhappy with my
physique and then I went to theother way.
I was far too far too underway.
It was sustainable, i had noenergy, became a new Like just
really bad, and then I got to aplace where actually, as long as
(30:20):
I felt happy in myself,actually changed sort of how I
was, other people, likerelationships, etc.
But for a lot of, i guess, a bigargument that I always read so
do you try to keep up with thesesorts of things is like who?
who's the blame for why we havethese negative feelings?
is it ourselves?
or is it the media?
because I know, like we're outsome day on the common mates
(30:41):
will see somebody has like themost like ripped body, let's say
, and they'll go on again isthat beautiful?
but they won't.
They won't say about anybodyelse.
So it's like why are you sayingthat?
is that because you're, youthink that is the be all and all
, that's what you have to become?
is it habitually built into us?
because, like back when we werelike Forages, those that were
hunting, getting food and stuffwere more access to the fit.
(31:02):
I've read that before.
Like is it built into us thatwe want to be muscular?
do we want to have thatphysique?
like So do you?
do you think the media doeshave a big part to play in it,
or is it mainly ourselves?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
no, i mean we can't help but be influenced by what
we see in the media we consume.
and yes, like 20 years ago whenI moved to London, when you two
are still growing up at school,the magazines like QX and boys
and attitude every magazine thatwas out there then only ever
had gym fit bodies on the frontand that was at least 10 years
(31:33):
of that, probably longer, goingback.
For even I, even I was pickingthem up.
There has been a certain changeof that.
This, i guess more of the bodypositivity, movement and
accepting and making sure peopleCan feel comfortable on their
terms in their, in their ownskin more and more and you do
see a better representation ofbodies.
But that's the other thing aswell.
So when your friend Iscomparing or looking at someone
(31:55):
on the common, all they're doingis saying all they're beautiful
in very specific, rigid terms,but then You literally only have
that snapshot of them there andthen they could be so miserable
they could absolutely hatetheir life.
They like we just don't know.
But that's what humans arereally bad at.
We project so much onto peoplewho we will never meet or never
(32:16):
speak with, without knowinganything about them.
Well, i'll, he looks like that.
He's happy, he has loads of sex, he's got a great job, he's
rich like he's got loads offriends.
Just don't know that it's whenyou make that leap that two plus
two equals five.
Oh, he's definitely As happy ashe ever could be because he
looks that way.
That's when we do it toourselves as well.
So we get the worst of bothworlds if we're previously, when
(32:38):
we were surrounded by that sortof media and when we were doing
it to ourselves yeah,interesting, i think, something
else for a lot of sort ofyounger generations growing up
and sort of looking throughadult content on online.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
So since lockdown I know it was before there as well
as massive culture,particularly on a site called
only fans, which is sort ofgiving back the control to
people offering So various adultcontent of themselves, and a
lot of them do have thismatching physique.
so obviously anyone goingthrough I know that's supposed
to be able to access these sortsof pages.
but like going to puberty, sortof going to changes growing up,
(33:14):
figuring out their sexuality,etc.
when they do go online to tryand see what they're supposed to
look like, that is kind of oneof the places they Fall upon.
yeah, and do you think that'sgonna have also then kind of a
damaging effect on the youngergenerations growing up?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
potentially, but the thing is this isn't just a gay
problem.
Yeah, it's issue very much ontiktok.
Like the girls and the guyssuper contoured, super like
Posing you know exactly what Imean like filter to within inch
of their lives as well,presenting that this is a real
way.
This is what this is real morethan anything, and I think it's
(33:50):
that I came up with what I thinkis a billion dollar idea, but I
still need to make.
It would be an app that youdownload your phone and just
every time before you open anysocial platform, all it does is
flash up and say this isn't realand it just reminds you like
everyone in some way has curatedor contoured or faked or
filtered or taken 30 selfiesbefore they've got one they're
(34:12):
happy with.
Everyone is doing that.
Like that is definitely notjust an old.
You need to keep us issue.
Yeah, is that sort of extensionof the more you buy into this
world of fakeness, like the moreyou have to have the whitest
teeth, the curvious bum, thebiggest chest, and like when i'm
talking with clients who, forexample, this is sound like a
plot twist, but this is relevantlike i'm talking with client,
(34:34):
say about comfort eating, butthey're eating to comfort
themselves, but like, how muchfood you need to comfort
yourself?
you can't answer that.
And in the same way, howfiltered you need to be, how
perfect you need to present tothe world, because in that, like
online, there's always besomeone with inverted commas,
better body than you always beyou're.
So if that's what you'restriving for, you'll never be
happy because you can neverattain that, because there will
(34:57):
always be someone else who'seven more polished and who knows
if it's fake or not, but evenmore Pristinley created in this
inverted commas, perfectpresentation yeah, i mean, there
was a point back when i startedreleasing instagram which, i'll
be really honest, i did use toedit my photos, to make teeth
white etc.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And i never realized.
When, like a couple years wentpast, i went back through
pictures, i was like, omg, ihave aged so quickly in the last
couple years.
I completely forgot that i'daltered all my photos and it
wasn't until i, like, found theoriginal ones in my camera roll
and i was like oh, oh, okay,actually i looked absolutely
fine back then.
Why did i feel the need to editthem?
(35:35):
so i think that's really, ithink that's really poignant
actually.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So what was your journey to get into the fitness
side of things?
did you were yours into thatschool and therefore carried on
into adult life, or did youdiscover it later on?
because i know for mepersonally, i Hate it, pe
fitness.
it was horrendous, it was theworst time of the week and i
would do anything to get out ofit.
so i always came to fitnessinitially in What a negative
(36:02):
background, i guess just fromprevious experience that's
absolutely the same with me aswell.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
As i went to school that was very rugby focused and
i was a very skinny, spindlychild who, funny enough, didn't
like being beaten up in the mudtwice a week in winter.
Obviously, as an adult some ofthose things appeal.
Now, back as a child wasn'twhat i was into, all looking for
, and also it was just such ahard aggressive way of getting
(36:27):
into sport and fitness and Thebasic ethos of my school is if
you want to rugby basicallyassumed you want to.
Anything else in the eightieswas very little support and
Nurturing of anything else otherthan the a rugby team.
So i went through school tryinga few other things but nothing
really sticking cuz.
It just wasn't that passionthat there was from the teachers
and the school for anythingother than rugby.
(36:48):
When university tried jim walkin, didn't want to do walk down,
move to London.
My twenties basically the same,and it wasn't until i'm randomly
joined, went to bootcamp with afriend And it was just because
it felt so different to what ithought sport fitness was,
because it was by myself, itwasn't in competition with
anyone, it was outside in thesun, which obviously made it
(37:08):
better.
It was on my doorstep and itjust Really just switch flick
and i realized, oh, i've beenwrong for twenty five years.
It can make me feel better, itcan make me sleep better, all
these other things.
I started to just see and feeldifferent about myself and that
was when i started to exploreother ways of why i got a gym
(37:30):
membership and i found a goodtrainer who was really kind and
understanding, just help me onmy journey, going from there
like and then just running withthe ball and getting into it a
bit more, realizing this is whatchanging me in a good way.
It's giving me that my voice, myconfidence, my boundaries I'm.
Actually, when i started as atrainer, originally i was a face
to face trainer in the park onclub common and train people In
(37:51):
the traditional way and i workwith anyone.
But it was when, about sixyears ago, i started building an
online version that i realized,hang on, as a gay man, this is
help me so much.
I just find just feel more athome in my own skin.
I realized there are so manyother guys out there just like
me who didn't know where tostart, felt intimidated in james
, would like to do something,but just had no clue how to do
(38:13):
that, and that was when Fit, acompany you specifically working
with gay by trans queer guys,was born.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
That is amazing and so good that we have people like
you to lead on so quick fitness, because i do feel a lot of
lgbtq plus community reallystruggle to find their place
within that.
So it was so amazing when yougot in touch with us and we
definitely want to Hear allabout it.
Yeah, and cause you've also gota wonderful book out as well
which you sent to us and we hada little read of and it's
(38:39):
fantastic.
Thank you, that's very kind.
So the book is called fitter,confident universe And it's an
lgbtq bus guides to well beingon our terms, which i think is
absolutely amazing.
Yeah, guys, how long did ittake you to write the book?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I'm about five months last year, january to may, i
did it.
I basically set these reallytough guidelines because i know
me, if i had more time, i justwould have taken more time.
But i just knew i had to get itdone And i wrote it just because
it didn't exist.
It didn't really like.
The book goes into lgbtq plushistory as well, to help people
understand why we don't alwayslearn to prioritize ourselves,
(39:16):
why we don't always see thevalue in Health and well being,
a things like that and justsaying it's okay to do on your
terms.
You can do home workouts, youdon't have to join a gym like
giving all these options just toshow people the reason One size
fits all way to make it workfor you.
It's about the more you said doit on our terms, more you can
do on your terms, more just makesense.
The more it feels like yours isslots into your life, like with
(39:39):
less and less pressure, justbecome something you can enjoy
as opposed to something i'd likei said at the start that you
feel you have to do yeah, thatmakes total sense.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
And what would be your advice on someone who may
be at a bit of a similarbackground to me?
hated fitness at school, hatepe and therefore is now trying
to find that journey, but withinan lgbtq plus world.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Awesome question.
So the strength in numbers, sofinding your tribe and like.
For there are this more andmore brilliant lgbtq plus
fitness groups, sports clubs andthat doesn't mean you,
obviously.
Sports clubs might sound a bitaggressive if you've never done
anything before, but There's allsorts of things from squash,
tennis, rowing.
Obviously there's quite a fewgay rugby group teams now as
(40:20):
well, which is brilliant, butAnything you want any.
If there was a sport you wantedto do a promise that's an lgbtq
plus group out there doing itand that just means that takes
out the one.
Like.
The one thing that we all haveto do all day to people is come
out, even though straight peoplethink you come out once and
that's it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you guys know you comeout when you speak to a taxi
(40:41):
driver, when you're in a shop,anytime you meet someone new,
you have to come out.
But that just removes that onestress by your instantly around
people who get you but equallydoesn't need to be a sport team,
could be an online group.
So i've got a brilliantfacebook group of an amazing
community that's free to join.
That is all about motivation,support, encouragement, helping
people how to.
(41:02):
It's never about appearance.
What that group does is showsguys from all around the world,
all different body types,backgrounds, exercise interests,
fitness levels, doing theirthing And people get cheered on.
And what is really amazing iswhen people and this happens,
not just this happens in anygroup when you find your tribe,
this is people who discover it'sjust as powerful to be cheered
(41:23):
on as to cheer on your friends,because then you're part of
something and you feel like morethan the sum of its parts.
There's like a greater movementthere.
My favorite phrase is a risingtide lifts all boats.
Like we rise together.
We support each other and weget stronger and fitter and
happier and healthier and moreconfident together by looking
out for each other.
(41:43):
So, finding people to do it withand if you don't want to, if
you're not like into finding agroup or whatever like that, you
almost.
If you're looking to getstarted, i'm pretty confident
you will have one friend whodoes go to the gym And if
they're your friend, i'm surethey'll be nice enough to go
with you.
Get a guest pass and let themshow you round And go into the
gym, even if you're nervous.
(42:03):
Going with someone else likemore than halves any
embarrassment or stress levelsbecause you get to share the
experience with a friend whohopefully cares about you and
wants you to feel happy andrelaxed.
So doing things with friendswell, or finding groups as well,
they're absolutely the best wayforward because it just means
just makes it more fun and itshould be fun.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, Brad, don't get anyideas, i'm not going to the gym
showers with you.
Listen, matt, i feel like youare such a guru on this topic.
I could actually listen to youchat about it for ages and, i'll
be honest, your voice is givingme absolute like in McKellen
vibe.
You have the most soothing tone.
(42:44):
I'm just sat here absolutelylistening to you, like literally
word for word.
It's so nice to hear somebodywho knows this world inside out
and is using that for good forother people.
So genuinely thank you foreverything that you've done.
And if people want to go andread your book, where can they
go and get it?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Easiest one is just hop onto Amazon and search
Fritter Confident Universe andthat's Universe, with YOU at the
start.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yes, and it's got a lovely picture of you on it as
well.
Here you are looking at mewhilst I talk to you, And if
people want to find you onsocial medias, websites, etc.
where can they go for that aswell?
Speaker 3 (43:16):
So fittunet, i know edgynet.
And then on the socials isFitter You Global on Twitter,
instagram and Facebook Awesome.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Well, matt, thank you so much for taking the time to
come on board.
We have loved having you on andit's been an absolute pleasure
talking to you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Guys, thank you.
I'm really grateful for theopportunity and this has been a
joy, which obviously I knew itwould be, because I listened to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
But thank you for just putting me at ease.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Thank you Well.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
Matt, i'll probably see you on the common in the
summer, so see you there.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
And I'll see you on the other part of the common.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Who am I?
Speaker 1 (43:51):
bringing the Lamborghini to.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
Oh, Matt, thanks so much once again and we'll see
you soon.
Bye Cheers.
Wow, what a lovely guy Matt is.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
So lovely And, honestly, did you not get
Gandalf vibes?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yes, the soothing voice.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
I guess he's like very wise is an expert, bit of a
guru.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
So yeah, I can see where you're going with this.
You Fun fact.
did you know Ian McKellenchanged that line It's supposed
to be.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
You may not pass.
Oh there you go.
Wow, they didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
So glad I know that story.
I'll see better tonight knowingthat Thanks.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Daddy McKellen told me himself Thanks, thanks.
I did not have him, please,nobody.
Yes, it was because he was wise, but also that voice is so
soothing.
I was just sat here likeactually forgetting to ask
questions, because I was likeyou could just talk to me for
hours.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
You never say that about my voice.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Well, my mother always said if you don't have
anything nice to say, don't sayanything at all.
Get your mess, get your mess,oh my goodness.
No, but that was really lovelyto hear from Matt.
(45:13):
Like we said before, we havebeen trying to get him on the
podcast for a very long time, soit's a topic that's actually
very close to my heart, as youknow.
We've touched on it a couple oftimes, so I yeah, it's really
nice to see somebody putting outthis positive approach to
fitness, especially within theLGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I totally agree.
And if you were sat therelistening to our chat and
thinking do you know what Ireally want to start my fitness
journey, Then today is yourlucky day.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That's right.
The lovely Matt Boyles hasoffered us a once in a lifetime
prize.
It's an online training programone to one with Gandalf himself
, Mr Matt Boyles, which is wortha thousand pounds.
He has given us this prize togive to one of you lucky, lucky
listeners.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
That is such an amazing prize.
I actually want to enter it outmyself.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
I know right.
Can we do that?
The producer's shaking his head.
We're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
But, benji, how can you win this incredible prize?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, i'm so pleased you asked me, brad.
What we want you to do is writeinto us with your fitness flops
.
Now, this could be somethingthat happened at school.
This could be something thathappened at the gym.
Maybe you tried to do couch to5K and lockdown.
Did it go awfully wrong?
Whatever it is, whatever youthink is your best, funniest
fitness flop, we want to hearfrom you, and to do that, you
(46:32):
just need to send us a messageon our Instagram, which is at
Big Gay Podcast, or, of course,you can email us, which is hello
at mybiggaypodcastcom.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Benji, I've just had a flashback Back to Brighton.
Do you remember when we foundout all the trains had just been
cancelled And we were talkinglike what do we do?
Do we stay, do we get an Uber,do we find accommodation?
And you're like guys, i've gotmy accommodation sorted already.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
Don't you worry about me.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And I look at you and you're on Grindr chatting to
about five different boys, alloffering you to stay over.
Do?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
you worry about me guys.
Bye babies, Bye babies, I'mfine, I'm fine.
Yeah, And that to be fair, yes,that did happen, But from what
I remember, you're like Benji.
Could you just ask them if,like, we can all come sleep over
as well?
Like nothing sexual, like yougo in and do your business.
We literally just want to sleepon the couch before our next
train.
Don't ask that, Yeah, Anyway.
(47:29):
I've got to go because I've gota train to catch Where you
going Brighton, but podcast isall we have time for This week's
episode of my Big Gay Podcast.
If you don't already, pleasehead over to our Instagram It's
at Big Gay Podcast or over toour website, which is
mybiggaypodcastcom.
(47:50):
And, like we said, we'rerunning a competition this week
where you could win a thousandpound prize of online one to one
fitness coaching with thelovely Matt Boyles, Mr Gandalf
himself.
All you have to do is to sendus in your fitness flops to our
Instagram page or to our email,which is hello at
mybiggaypodcastcom.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Benji, you've totally taken over and haven't left
anything for me to say.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yes, mate, i've got a train to catch, so like.
I said podcast is all we havetime for in this week's episode.
Until next time, see you next.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Wednesday Right Now that we've finished the podcast
recording, you can open up yourwindow.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Oh, because I am so hot in here.
The neighbors are still outthere, though, so, um yeah, i'll
open it quietly.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I can't believe that you have to hide from your
neighbors because you had sexwith one of them.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
That is outrageous.
Honestly, do you know what'sreally outrageous, what?
I've also slept with yourneighbors.
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