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October 10, 2025 67 mins

In Episode 80 of My Empty Hands, host Reggie Darden sits down with martial artist Jeff Grant for an insightful Kenpo Conversation. Jeff takes us through his decades-long journey, starting from watching Bruce Lee movies as a kid in Germany to finding his true martial arts home in the comprehensive system of Kajukenbo.

Listen as Jeff shares his unique experience cross-training across multiple disciplines—from Texas Blood and Guts Karate to Judo, Jiu-Jitsu, and Kempo—and explains why Kajukenbo became the “full bloom” art that satisfied his hunger for realistic, complete combat training.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

  • The Martial Arts Journey Begins: Jeff shares his early influences, from his father’s Taekwondo training in Korea to the impact of Bruce Lee films on base in Germany [02:14].
  • The Blood and Guts Era: His intense training experience at the Texas Karate Institute (TKI) in Dallas, emphasizing sparring and body conditioning [04:27].
  • A World of Arts: Jeff’s path through Taekwondo, an unplanned Air Force stint with Aikido, and his time as a “throwing dummy” while learning Judo and Jiu-Jitsu at Vince Tumura’s school [10:06].
  • Finding His ‘Home’: The moment he was introduced to Kajukenbo by Bert Vickers and realized it was the complete art he had been searching for, blending striking, throws, and joint locks [16:00].
  • Kajukenbo Philosophy: Jeff discusses the art’s five contributing styles (Kempo, Judo, Jujitsu, Kenpo, and Chinese Boxing) and the importance of realistic, hard-contact training to test techniques [33:31].
  • Forms, Weapons, and Training: A look into Kajukenbo’s 14 forms, the nature of its weapons work (especially the knife), and the differences between various Kaji Kempo branches [34:05].
  • The Future of a Complete Art: The delicate balance of growing the Kajukenbo community without “softening” the training and losing its original combat intent [49:13].
  • Lightning Round: Jeff reveals his favorite rapid-fire technique, his favorite forms, and why the knife is his weapon of choice [58:09].

Shout-Outs & Resources:

  • Guest’s Art: Kajukenbo
  • Instructors Mentioned: Bert Vickers, Chris Kimbro, Tommy Burks, Steve Tapper
  • Reggie’s Training: Reggie Darden gives a shout-out to Steve Tapper and Tommy Burks’s excellent training groups [23:38].
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