April 11, 2024 • 39 mins
In this episode, Sean Dillon shares insights into the origins of his podcasts, the unique format of "Rocking 25," and the storytelling approach of "Beyond the Mic." Discover how Sean's experiences driving golf carts for VIPs led to memorable encounters with celebrities like Oprah Winfrey and Burl Ives.
Sean's storytelling prowess shines through as he delves into the art of conversation and the importance of capturing untold stories from guests like Lea Thompson, Robby Takac, Alex Winter, and Gloria Gaynor.
Whether you're a sports enthusiast or a fan of captivating interviews, this episode offers a glimpse into the world of podcasting and storytelling.
Notable Quotes:
"If my guest pauses for five or six or 10, 30 seconds to say, man, I don't know how to answer this. That right there shows vulnerability, and it shows that we're all human." - Sean Dillon
"It's not about the star. It's about the person that the star is with." - Sean Dillon
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Danny (00:07):
Hi, I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My Other Podcast Is, the show that
brings you podcasters from aroundthe world to talk about their other
podcast, the one that's completelydifferent from their main show.
If you enjoy the show, I'd love foryou to leave a review on your favorite
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And please feel free to share withanyone that would enjoy the show too.
(00:30):
I'd be super grateful.
And now, let's get started.
Hi,
I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My OtherPodcast Is, the show that brings you
podcasters from around the world to talkabout their other podcasts, the one that's
maybe less known than their main show.
Today I'm joined by SeanDillon from Texas in the US.
(00:52):
Sean is truly a master of all trades,including a podcaster, obviously,
director of digital media, a 25plus year radio veteran, and more.
Sean's main podcast is Rockin25 College Basketball Pro,
which we'll talk about shortly.
And his other podcast, we'lltalk about that shortly too.
But first, Sean, welcometo my other podcasters.
Sean (01:13):
Danny, it's always a pleasure to talk with you and glad to be
part of this new podcast for you.
Danny (01:20):
I know.
And it's kind of exciting.
It hasn't launched yet as we record this.
So this will be one of thefirst episodes that goes out.
So it's kind of cool.
It's kind of cool to have this asbeing one of the inaugural episodes.
And yeah, it's fun to do video.
We're doing video for thispodcast, obviously, and this is
the first time we've really donevideo, so that's a new one for me.
So I might be a little bit nervous.
Just be warn there.
I might
Sean (01:41):
l Look, I, I'm in radio, so I have a face for radio, so, you know, I, I made
sure I looked, you know, equal to you.
So, so there's, you know, look at this.
It's, it's Danny one and Danny two.
Danny (01:54):
I know.
I should have left my gristleon, I, I had a little shave
and a shower l this morning.
I should have left it.
I've got a little bit ofa, like a one day there.
But yeah, it's, it's all fun.
It's all good stuff.
So Sean, I mentioned in the introthat you're a 25 plus year radio vet.
And I got to say thatkind of oozes out of you.
You have an amazing voice.
I've just got to say that up when Ilistened to your shows and just talking
(02:17):
to you now, it has that nice timbre.
What's just, just cool.
Was that also, it's notsomething you work on, but who
Sean (02:24):
it, it comes from being the oldest of six kids and
being the oldest of six kids.
And when my parents would comehome, it was whoever could talk the
loudest and get my mom and dad'sattention would get first, right?
Sometimes I, but sometimes it'd belike, hello, hello, pick me, pick me.
(02:50):
But, you know, being theoldest and my grandmother was
a speech and hearing therapist.
And so I would go to her.
She was also a teacher,universities in New York.
And so I would go with her to herspeech and hearing classes and, and
(03:11):
write an A with your left hand orwrite an A with your right hand.
And so doing all that, I just lookedat it as I wanted to have a voice.
And my other podcast is because of notallowing myself to to tell their stories.
(03:32):
We'll talk about that later.
Danny (03:33):
Yeah, for sure.
So there's definitely a lot ofvocal background stuff there.
And it's all brothers, sisters too?
Or is it a mix?
Sean (03:40):
Oh, three sisters, two younger brothers.
I'm the oldest of six.
And so, yeah, it's, it's.
And even split.
Even split, except forwhen it came to bathrooms.
And then, you know.
Fun.
Danny (04:01):
So as I mentioned at the start, obviously your main podcast
is Rockin 25 College Basketball Poll.
Which is geared, obviously, as the namesuggests, towards college basketball.
So how did that come about?
Sean (04:12):
Well, I'm the executive producer director for the rock and pregame show,
which is a Texas tech sports show Fridayson, on rock one on one, Milwaukee, Texas.
And with that, the first year.
We're thinking, how can we, youknow, really get more people
(04:38):
to, you know, understand what'sgoing on around the country.
So I went and found Eric Haslam and acouple other guys and said, Hey, what
we're going to do is we're going to puttogether this, this, this, this, this.
Top 25 of college basketball.
And we're going to talk to you guysbecause you guys are from Seattle
(04:58):
and Wisconsin, North Carolinaand Maine, and we're going to
put together the top 25 teams.
Now, these were basically peoplewho had no radio experience,
had just passion for the game.
And so it first started out as a20 minute segment on a radio show.
(05:20):
And then I still thought, youknow, maybe I need to put this out.
And put it on the website.
And so it then became a podcast.
And so, you know, every, everyThursday night at 6 30, I'm recording
the show, that 20 minute segment.
And then I edit myself out andlet the host, the other host of
(05:42):
the radio show do the audio live.
So while I'm talking to, youknow, I might be talking to Eric
Haslam and from hasslemetrics.
com and having him explain, youknow, why Marquette is not to be
trusted during the NCAA tournament.
Or I might be having them break, you know,Michael Hunter break down a specific ACC
(06:09):
team and why Duke might not be the teamthat everyone thinks they are right now.
And so it became.
One of those things where I wantedto not have it where my guys
here in Lubbock knew everything.
There are a bunch of talented,independent people out here, like
(06:30):
the talented, independent podcastersthat are all around the world.
I wanted to have their voices.
And so by having their voices.
Then it looks like we've got expertsfrom Northeast, South and West
coming together for one thing.
And so because of that, then once westarted putting it out, everyone's
(06:53):
like, man, this is good content.
And I was like.
Well, I guess we're going to put it inan RSS feed and that's, and that's, that
was the basis of, you know, you know,starting the rock and 25 and the rock and
pregame, you know, putting, putting thaton as a podcast, because there are some
people that couldn't listen to the show.
(07:15):
and wanted to hear it after theshow was over or they were at work.
They were at lunch, whatever.
Danny (07:21):
Right.
And, and now I got to admit, I'm acomplete noob when it comes to basketball
and you can blame it or I'm going toblame on my UK childhood anyway, but
it's football like soccer for me.
Obviously we did have basketball,but it wasn't a huge game.
So with the show focusing on collegebasketball, what's the appeal for a
noob like me, what's the appeal forcollege basketball specifically for
(07:42):
a podcast and show that you're doingas opposed to the main NBA itself?
Sean (07:47):
If you compare college basketball and the NBA, someone's thing, someone
would say that the NBA is two things.
The NBA is dunks or three pointersand it's either, you know, go
for an easy pass dunk or, youknow, a give and go two man game.
(08:12):
And that's it.
The NBA game like the NBA all star game.
200 points of yawn, but the collegegame, when it comes down to things
like UMBC beating Virginia, a 16seed, which had never happened
(08:34):
before in the history of the NBA,I'm sorry, the NCAA, that passion.
A 16 seed beating a one seed.
You don't get that in the NBA.
You've got the super teams.
You've got the, you know, Lakers,the Knicks, the Celtics, you know,
(08:55):
the Bulls, the Mavs Golden State.
You've got all these big marketteams with exceptional goals.
You got these big market teams.
And these big attitudes and you reallydon't have an underdog and what March
madness and what the NCAA provides thatthe NBA totally does not provide is
(09:20):
any one can win any game at any time.
Anytime.
Absolutely.
Without a doubt.
I mean, you can, you can have halfcourt shots that, that, you know,
I mean, how many times during theNCAA tournament are people thinking
that 12 seeds will be the five seed?
(09:40):
It happens.
So that, that's the thing that it's,I mean, what kind of, are you a, what
soccer team are you a, a backer of?
Danny (09:52):
So I'm Arsenal, Arsenal's my team.
Okay.
So
Sean (09:55):
let's, let's think of if Burnley beat Arsenal, you know,
let's say Wrexham beat Arsenal, youwould lose your ever loving mind.
But to fans of football, thatwould be the greatest thing
ever to have such a huge upset.
(10:16):
That's that's why the NCAA is athousand times better than the
NBA, because even though the NCAA,you have super teams, what NIL.
And the transfer portal allowed isyou can't how, you know, Duke in our
latest Rockin 25 basketball poll was 13.
(10:39):
Now Duke has never been that low.
They've always been a blue blood.
They've, they've always, youknow, final fours and et cetera.
They're not that good a team this year.
And so the thing is, is the underdogsare what makes college basketball a
thousand times better than the NBA.
(11:00):
when it's throw it up from, throw it upfrom half court, throw it up from beyond
the three point arc or dunk the ball.
Danny (11:09):
Right.
So that's, that's, it'sobviously a huge difference.
And as you mentioned, I can see, youknow, it's kind of like the, the FA cup
in the UK when it comes to football.
That's where the small teams likethe Burnleys, like the Wrexhams get a
chance to go up against, well Burnley'sin the same league at the moment as
Arsenal, but from a cup point of view,Wrexham would be a great example.
They're about threeleagues down from Arsenal.
(11:29):
So If they went up against them in thecup and beat them, it'd be massive.
It'd be a huge, as yousay, an underdog story.
And, and what I like about the showas well is I do like the sports format
where it's almost like that was, it'sa sports format, a basketball show, but
college basketball show, but I do likethe, the, the sports presentation format
where you've got multiple hosts, they'regiven lots of stats and why they're
(11:49):
picking the teams that they're going withand the picks that they're going with.
And it made me realize that I feel howhuge, like college basketball must be.
In the U S because I'm, I'm guessingwhen, when putting a show together
and you can talk about that.
What's the process of gettingthe stats about these teams?
Because I can imagine a UKequivalent with a soccer.
(12:09):
I wouldn't know any stats aboutmaybe a Wrexham or a Cambridge
city or someone like that.
So how do you put a show together?
How do the experts get thatinformation and all the data?
And I don't want this to sound rude,and I apologize if it does, but what's
essentially college teams versus the pro,you know, the pro leagues, for example.
Sean (12:28):
College, you know, stats are easily available out there.
Each NCAA school will put outa box score after the game and.
It is easily accessible.
There are, there are places that youcan scrape stats off of, you know,
like Eric Haslam from hazlometrics.
(12:49):
com.
He has a stat provider thatprovides all the stats for him.
And then he has his analytics that takesall the stats and he puts it together.
And boom.
It's there.
And so he can tell you that, youknow, in his, in his top 25 right now,
(13:09):
Houston's the number one team followedby Purdue, UConn, Auburn, and Tennessee.
And he can say that, you know,offensively the strongest team is Purdue.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt,but defensively, the team that
absolutely is incredible is Houston.
They, you can get intothe tiny nitty gritty.
(13:31):
And also when we're recording it,I have a script for them where I'm
going to tell them, okay, we'regoing to talk about this week.
We're going to talk about we'regonna talk about court storming.
We're going to talk about the big 12 and,and how any team, you know, can, can win
there, what's the strongest conference.
You know, will Gonzaga be.
(13:53):
You know, make any roads in there.
So they have an idea ofwhat I'm going to ask them.
And then, then, then what they'll do isthey'll say, okay, I'm going to check the
stats and I'm going to say, okay, yeah.
You know, Tennesseehasn't gotten out of the.
Sweet six gotten past the sweet 16for this many years so they can find
(14:14):
if they know what I'm going to talkabout They can find and find the
stats that support their discussion.
Danny (14:23):
And obviously that level of detail in that level of research.
It suits you perfectly for the, thebasketball, the college basketball show.
But I'm going to assume that must alsohelp you with your other podcasts,
which we'll, we'll certainly delveover to and talk about that one.
Cause this is like a realinteresting concept for me.
The other podcast is called Beyondthe Mic and it's the perfect name
(14:45):
for the show, given its premise.
So can you share moredetails about Beyond the Mic?
Sean (14:50):
Beyond the Mic came from the concept of my grandmother and grandfather.
My grandfather was worked for thearmy air corps, which was before
the air force and my as he wasprofessor of psychology and sociology.
And he, he was incredible.
(15:11):
And my grandmother taught and wasa speech and hearing professor.
She had her own practice.
And they would tell me such amazingstories, my grandfather from the great
depression, my grandmother of the starsand people that she, that she helped
with her, with her practice in school.
(15:33):
I never with all the passion that I havefor telling stories and hearing stories,
I never put a microphone in front of them.
And recorded any of them, noneof them, not a, not a single one.
And so, because of that, with theexception of the stories that I know and
(15:53):
I remember, and that I can tell to anyoneat any time, those stories are lost.
And so, When Beyond the Mic was started,was started with the concept of my
boss was in the office next to me andhe had this American idol star and
(16:15):
he had this promoter that was saying,Hey, I've got this American idol star.
We need you to do someradio, blah, blah, blah.
And my boss wasn't buying it.
Put the person on mute and hegoes, I don't want to do this.
And so I come across aroundthe corner and go, I'll do it.
(16:36):
And he's looking at me like, you'll do it.
I'm like, yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it.
I'm, you know, it's like theold life life cereal commercial,
you know, Mikey, I'll eat it.
Michael, eat anything.
I'll do it.
I'll do anything.
And so the first episode ofBeyond the Mic, the first 92
(16:57):
episodes, you'll never hear.
Because the first 92 episodes, I was,I put them out and then I realized
they're not what I want them to be.
And so the first 92, we're just figuringout what I wanted to do, the format,
how I wanted it, who I wanted totalk to, how I wanted to get it done.
(17:21):
And the format and theway I do things changes.
If you listen to the firstBeyond the Mic, you'll hear it.
Episode two, the Beyond the Mic episodethat I did, you know, yesterday,
it'll be completely different.
You'll have make, you'llhave three main parts.
You'll have intro and main main threemain questions, which allows them
(17:46):
to talk about whatever it is thatthey're there for, whether it be for,
A, you know, an actor or an artist,an author, or someone interesting
that I feel like you need to know.
And they get their ability thatfour or five minutes to three,
four or five minutes to, youknow, Hey, this is what I'm doing.
(18:06):
I'm doing this story.
I'm doing this article.
I'm doing this movie.
I'm doing this song.
And then we go into the Rockin eight.
And the Rockin eight is whereBeyond the Mic is completely
different than anybody else.
I've had guests who will refuse to goon the air because of the Rockin eight.
The Rockin eight iseight random questions.
(18:26):
It could be anything, but whatthey don't know is, is that 90
percent of the Rockin eight isbased off of them and their history.
So, so for example, if I was going todo a Rockin eight on you, I talked about
the, the, you know, your love of Arsenal.
So what was the last Arsenal game youwent to, you know, what's your, what's
(18:49):
your favorite moment as an Arsenal fan?
What's, you know, whatgot you into podcasting?
What was the best lessonthat a teacher ever gave you?
Who's, who's the person who inspired you?
There's five questions there.
Now, those five questions probablywould not have been asked by
(19:11):
any other person, whether it be,what do you like in your coffee?
Do you put, do you put aflavorings in your, in your water?
By doing that, by breaking down the.
From the three initial questionswhere I get them to give me the
same answer, they will give to 99.
(19:33):
999 percent of every otherinterview that's out there.
If you listen to any interview, ifyou go and search for any TV or radio
interview, whether it be an actor orartist, an author, people will ask the
same two or three different questions.
And they have a pat answer thatthey give the exact same words.
(19:57):
And so the Rockin' Eight forces themout of that comfort zone, and then
we'll separate into part three, whichis either the back half, which is the
ability for me to have more deep indepth questions that may pertain about
whatever they're talking about, maynot pertain to, it may pertain to their
(20:21):
hobbies, their interests, who they are.
I want to go beyond what everyone knows.
If I get one person to say, youknow, Sean, that's a great question.
That's done.
No one's ever asked me that.
Perfect.
Those are the things Danny Iwant, because if you're learning
(20:45):
and I'm learning, I'm learning.
And there's a story that they've toldme that no one else has known as long as
that RSS feed is up and as long as thataudio is there, their story is not lost.
And then the final thing, if we don't havetime for the back half or sneaking in a
(21:06):
couple more, it'll be one big question.
And there's a question that is meantto make somebody think somebody give
an answer is not something that youcould get off the top of your head.
If you have to pause for five orsix or 10, 30 seconds to say, man,
(21:29):
I don't know how to answer this.
That right there showsvulnerability and it shows.
It shows that we're all human.
I don't have pat answers.
I kind of knew where we were goingwith, with, with this interview and
with, you know, explaining my otherpodcast, but I didn't know what
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you were specifically going to ask.
And that vulnerability iswhat makes us all good.
Danny (21:57):
And what I think, I mean you made some excellent points there about what
the format does and what I really enjoyabout the show, as I've been catching
up with the episodes, is you do havesome amazing, well, you have amazing
guests on there, period but some of thenames that I recognize that I wanted
to just bring up, You had Lea Thompson,who's a huge teenage crush of mine
(22:17):
ever since I saw her in Some Kind ofWonderful, and that's never gone away.
You had Robbie Tacak of the Goo GooDolls, Alex Winter, the actor you
know, obviously most well known, Iguess, for the Bill and Ted movies.
And then recently, the most recentepisode I listened to was with
Gloria Gaynor, massive disco queen.
So I'm curious with some of these gueststhat you have on, being more sort of
(22:39):
celebrity or more well known, obviously.
You've got very interesting and verywell known guests in their niches.
But with these particular guests, whatwas your process for identifying which
ones you wanted to bring on to theshow and then actually getting them on?
Sean (22:54):
Let me just say that I have got some Outstanding
talent, bookers, and everything.
I have a archive right now that if I'dstopped recording and just put out an
episode from all my archives of thingsthat I've gotten in the last three
months, I have 50 or so episodes thatI could put out right here, right now.
(23:22):
And you'd still.
They'd still be incredible.
The basis of it is if theyare willing to tell a story,
I am willing to listen to it.
I think that's what's different,you know, with Gloria Gaynor, that
(23:43):
whole, you know, Gloria's episode wasbasically promoting, I will survive
her, her, her documentary movie.
You know, it's one of those things ofone of the questions in the Rocking
Eight was what was the hardestcourse you had for your bachelor's
in behavioral science degree that shejust got and she's like statistics.
(24:05):
I hate statistics.
And it opened her up in away that by allowing that in,
you found out more about her.
And I've got incredible peoplewho say, Sean, I've got X.
Can you fit him or her in?
(24:26):
And that is the ultimate honor to me.
I've had actors, authors, you know,and I've got things that were, where.
You know, this stuff goes on theradio, and then it also goes on
to my goes on to the podcast.
The key to finding who you want andwho you, who you want in is there
(24:47):
are some people that have told me,Sean, you need to do just actors.
You need to do just artists.
You need to do just artists.
Authors, but I won't do it.
I'm not going to conformto a specific niche.
You know, I could do, I could,with every author out there,
(25:07):
I could do an author a day.
Every day and still not touch all theauthors that are out there with actors
and artists coming up, I'm going to havea conversation with Elizabeth Hurley.
And the main focus is going to be onher son, Damien and the new movie he
directed, which he got his mom to play in.
(25:31):
He's like, she's like, Hey, when,when you do your first movie, I'll
be in it and he said, I'm, I'm,I'm going to call you in for that.
When these opportunities arethere, they're presented to me.
I'll either say yes or no, and that's it.
It's, it's a matter of oneof the rules that I have and.
(25:53):
I take it from my grandfather.
My grandfather said, the followingsubjects should not be talked
about at the dinner table.
Religion, politics, sex.
And I try to, as the hardest, toI've had political figures on.
You know, I had Newt Gingrich on.
(26:14):
And Newt Gingrich, you know, itwas, you know, talking about a
political, you know, a political book.
First question I asked him was about histhesis that he did to graduate college.
Opened up him up to a different level.
(26:35):
He sent me a personal thankyou saying that this was the
best interview he ever had.
And three, the key, the keypart of the whole thing is we
never got into the politics.
I don't want to have where my guestsfeel like, you know, my listeners
feel like Sean's going to have anotherliberal conservative independent.
(27:01):
I want them to say, Sean's gotsomeone who, who's And he's going
to get them to tell us a story.
That's what I want.
I don't want to deal with stuff thatmakes one side or the other cringe.
Everyone has a story.
Everyone has thatopportunity to tell a story.
(27:22):
We may not be good atit, but that's the thing.
You know, I had, I had somebody who,who wanted to come on the show and no
matter what I tried, they were not going,we're not going to do the Rocking Eight.
I'm not going to do one big question.
I'm just going to giveyou my talking points.
And I said, have a nice day.
(27:44):
I didn't do it.
I Danny, I, I don't wantto be like everything else.
I had somebody who's a podcast.
Expert something to come to me and said,well, you don't put a lot of you in there.
Nobody knows who you are.
And I'm like, that's great.
(28:05):
The only thing that's that'sthat needs to be there is Beyond
the Mic with Sean Dillon, that'sthe only part where you're over.
And I don't even say my name.
I would say Beyond the Mic, you know, andAnna Wigg, great voiceover artist intros
the show, and then we go right into it.
I'm not going to bore you with fluff.
I'm not going to make it where you haveto listen to 10 minutes of me telling
(28:30):
you about what happened in my week.
I am a conduit to a story.
That's it.
I will bring up my kids occasionallywhen it is relevant to a guest, but
other than that, it's not about me.
Never about me.
It is always about the guest.
(28:53):
I'm different.
I don't, I don't know what else to,I don't know what else to say to any,
because the thing is, is that I am hereto tell a story and to share a story.
Whether I am 5, 438th in the artschart, or 500th in the arts chart,
or number one in the arts chart,I'm still going to tell a story.
Danny (29:16):
And speaking of stories, a little birdie, well you, mentioned
that you once drove a golf cart withOprah and Burl Ives as your passengers.
And I've just got to say,spill the beans, man.
But what's going on now?
Sean (29:33):
Okay.
This is my other podcast isgets this, this is an exclusive.
No one's heard this story before.
So when I was 17 and 18, I drove carts,golf carts in the Cleveland International
Airport for a security company.
And so I was in charge of takinghandicapped persons and VIPs
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to the gate long way away.
And so when VIPs would come, they'relike, Sean, don't say anything.
Don't ask for anything.
Just get into the gate.
And I'd go, okay, sir, I got you.
And one day Oprah Winfreycomes in with a entourage of
(30:22):
entourage filling up every seat.
And I was going to talk to her, I couldn'tget in that word in an edgewise, she
wanted to know everything about me.
And so I took it, took her to the gate.
She signed it.
She said, I want to give you an autograph.
Found something.
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And she signed, you know, toSean, thanks for the ride, Oprah.
I still have it to this day.
And then I just created, I'vegot an autograph book and the
autograph book was always on thefront page of the, the front seat.
So if anyone wanted to sign the book andI had sports stars and celebrities in.
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Burl Ives, at this time is rightbefore he passed, came and was going
on a plane ride, took him to thegate and he re he's like, I'm not
going to write an autograph book.
I'm going to give you something special.
And he found out about me becausehe wouldn't, again, another person
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that went, would, would, wanted to,wanted to talk and tell stories.
And ask me about me and, you know, witha name like Sean, you're a good Irishman.
And then when he found out I hadbrothers and sisters with Tara,
Patrick, Kirsten, Kelly, Liam.
You know, so I have a folderthat's To Sean, you know, a
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good Irishman, I once lived nearLimerick for a time, for our lives.
And so, for, for that,those rides helped me.
Keep in my mind that sometimesit's not about the star, it's about
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the person that the Star is with.
Danny (32:12):
Right?
Sean (32:13):
It's Danny, it's, it's never gonna be about me.
It's gonna be somebody else's story.
You know, for the rock in 25, Itake my audio out and let the Jeff
Jarrett and Pete get the glory.
I don't have to have a parade for me.
It's not my story.
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And so, so for Oprah and Burl and GeorgePeppard and Brooke Shields, all the people
I've met during that time in Cleveland.
It was nice.
It was cool, but I learned more abouthow they perceived people and how
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they wanted people to perceive them.
Danny (32:57):
And I think we can forget that because it's obviously
there's huge celebrities.
Very well known.
Oprah, mega media mogul, obviously.
And I think sometimes we forgetthere's still a normal person, like
normal air quotes for anybody that'slistening to the audio version of this.
But we sometimes forget they're justnormal people behind the celebrity.
And.
They do just want to talk to someoneand have a normal conversation and
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find out about the people that theyexperience for a moment of their
day or a moment of their time.
And I feel there's like a show inthere as well, like maybe even a
video show where you're, you're goingabout in your golf buggy, your golf
cart, and you've got a celebrity.
It's almost like what's that carpoolkaraoke before carpool karaoke came
along, but the spoken version, I thinkthat'd be a cool concept, you know, where
the, the, the celebrities are basicallyinterviewing you as opposed to vice versa.
Sean (33:44):
It's, it's all, all so interesting.
But the funny part is, is that Ireally don't do a lot of interviews.
I mean, you're probably, you'reprobably the second person
that I've allowed to interview.
No third person I've allowedto interview me in this.
And the reason is, isthat it's not my story.
If you want to hear mystory, I'll tell it to you.
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I'll I could, I could tell youabout, you know, how, how I got
into radio and escaping from.
From being a, a Radio Shack store manager,you know, I like hearing people's stories.
One of the things that caused me to dothis is when you're the oldest of six
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kids and you go to a big, huge familyreunion of 300 people and you know,
There's, there's like nine, 10 kids youknow, of our age of seven or seven to
10, you know, you have to, to learn totalk to older people real quick because,
you know, that's, that's what it is.
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So having conversations was.
a better way of having a conversationand listening to what people are asking
are sometimes better use of our time.
Danny (35:01):
And I feel that's a really nice segue into for people that
want to know more about Sean.
I know you're saying that it's notabout you and I completely get that.
But for people that do want toknow about you, Sean, whether
that's on the Rockin 25 College
basketball show, the Beyond the Mic show, which I do feel Anybody
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that enjoys storytelling and gettingto know a bit more about people that
they thought they might have known,where can people connect with you?
Listen to the podcasts, et cetera.
Sean (35:32):
Okay.
For the Rockin 25, it's available whereveryou find pocket podcast, R O C K I N.
And for Beyond the Mic, you canbe on the mic is everywhere.
You can find it on the good pods app.
You can find it on Beyond the Mic.
com, Apple.
It's everywhere.
Danny (35:53):
All the good places and some not so good places to like, it's, it's like
the ad where you can you can find it inall good bookstores or all good record
stores on a new book or album comes out.
Sean (36:01):
Yeah.
But, but.
Danny, wouldn't it be nice where you couldgo Beyond the Mic available in all sketchy
places that you wouldn't normally go to?
It'd be great.
It'd be awesome.
It'd be, it'd be awesome.
I might do that for an outro one time.
Yes.
Please like, subscribe and find us in allthe sketchy places that you never know.
Danny (36:21):
That'd be, that'd be like a cool guerrilla marketing thing where you get
sort of little stickers made with maybe aQR codes or whatever you wanted to have.
And you just say, okay obviously your,your rock and radio show is, it's kind
of based around the Texas Lubbock,Texas city, but it handles all sports.
But say, okay, if you go into thislocal college basketball Cafeteria
or coffee shop or something andyou find this little sticker.
(36:43):
You'll get this little bonus But you'vegot this cool little almost like a
little mini treasure hunt I think thatyou should do that mate and put them
in some sketchy areas as well Thoughlittle dive bars and and stuff because
ecology is gonna be dive bars in there
Sean (36:55):
Dive bars and you know, if the post office doesn't kick you out, you know, you
put it on all the wanted posters, you know
Danny (37:03):
I think I'm going to run into something here.
You need to trademarkthat right away, mate.
Get it, get it lockedin, locked and loaded in.
So Sean, I reallyappreciate you coming on.
I could spend another half an hour,40 minutes more chatting with you,
but I really appreciate you comingon and no doubt, I know I'm going to
continue listening to Beyond the Mic,and you know what, I'm going to start
listening to more of the Rockin 25 andsee if I can understand the college
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basketball and get a little bit moreknowledge there for this Brit that's
delving into, you know, American sports.
Sean (37:33):
All I'm going to tell you is this right now, March is the
perfect time because the NCAAtournament is about ready to come.
We're going to educate you.
We're going to helpyou fill out a bracket.
You've probably never filled outa bracket before, but you can fill
out a bracket and follow along and.
I'm just going to give you a tip,don't pick any of the 16 seeds.
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Just don't.
Danny (37:56):
Even though it'd be a good story and a good underdog
story, don't pick the 16 seeds.
Sean (38:00):
I wouldn't pick any 16 seeds this year.
Danny (38:03):
I will keep that in mind.
So again, Sean, thanks so muchfor appearing on the show today.
Danny, thank you so much.
So thank you for joining ustoday on My Other Podcast Is.
If you prefer the audio version, youcan follow online at myotherpodcast.
com or on your favorite podcastapp or some sketchy podcast app.
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Take care and we'll see you next time.
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Take care, and I'll see you nexttime on My Other Podcast Is.
Hi, I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My Other Podcast Is, the show that
brings you podcasters from aroundthe world to talk about their other
podcast, the one that's completelydifferent from their main show.
If you enjoy the show, I'd love foryou to leave a review on your favorite
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com forward slash review.
And please feel free to share withanyone that would enjoy the show too.
(00:30):
I'd be super grateful.
And now, let's get started.
Hi,
I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My OtherPodcast Is, the show that brings you
podcasters from around the world to talkabout their other podcasts, the one that's
maybe less known than their main show.
Today I'm joined by SeanDillon from Texas in the US.
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Sean is truly a master of all trades,including a podcaster, obviously,
director of digital media, a 25plus year radio veteran, and more.
Sean's main podcast is Rockin25 College Basketball Pro,
which we'll talk about shortly.
And his other podcast, we'lltalk about that shortly too.
But first, Sean, welcometo my other podcasters.
Sean (01:13):
Danny, it's always a pleasure to talk with you and glad to be
part of this new podcast for you.
Danny (01:20):
I know.
And it's kind of exciting.
It hasn't launched yet as we record this.
So this will be one of thefirst episodes that goes out.
So it's kind of cool.
It's kind of cool to have this asbeing one of the inaugural episodes.
And yeah, it's fun to do video.
We're doing video for thispodcast, obviously, and this is
the first time we've really donevideo, so that's a new one for me.
So I might be a little bit nervous.
Just be warn there.
I might
Sean (01:41):
l Look, I, I'm in radio, so I have a face for radio, so, you know, I, I made
sure I looked, you know, equal to you.
So, so there's, you know, look at this.
It's, it's Danny one and Danny two.
Danny (01:54):
I know.
I should have left my gristleon, I, I had a little shave
and a shower l this morning.
I should have left it.
I've got a little bit ofa, like a one day there.
But yeah, it's, it's all fun.
It's all good stuff.
So Sean, I mentioned in the introthat you're a 25 plus year radio vet.
And I got to say thatkind of oozes out of you.
You have an amazing voice.
I've just got to say that up when Ilistened to your shows and just talking
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to you now, it has that nice timbre.
What's just, just cool.
Was that also, it's notsomething you work on, but who
Sean (02:24):
it, it comes from being the oldest of six kids and
being the oldest of six kids.
And when my parents would comehome, it was whoever could talk the
loudest and get my mom and dad'sattention would get first, right?
Sometimes I, but sometimes it'd belike, hello, hello, pick me, pick me.
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But, you know, being theoldest and my grandmother was
a speech and hearing therapist.
And so I would go to her.
She was also a teacher,universities in New York.
And so I would go with her to herspeech and hearing classes and, and
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write an A with your left hand orwrite an A with your right hand.
And so doing all that, I just lookedat it as I wanted to have a voice.
And my other podcast is because of notallowing myself to to tell their stories.
(03:32):
We'll talk about that later.
Danny (03:33):
Yeah, for sure.
So there's definitely a lot ofvocal background stuff there.
And it's all brothers, sisters too?
Or is it a mix?
Sean (03:40):
Oh, three sisters, two younger brothers.
I'm the oldest of six.
And so, yeah, it's, it's.
And even split.
Even split, except forwhen it came to bathrooms.
And then, you know.
Fun.
Danny (04:01):
So as I mentioned at the start, obviously your main podcast
is Rockin 25 College Basketball Poll.
Which is geared, obviously, as the namesuggests, towards college basketball.
So how did that come about?
Sean (04:12):
Well, I'm the executive producer director for the rock and pregame show,
which is a Texas tech sports show Fridayson, on rock one on one, Milwaukee, Texas.
And with that, the first year.
We're thinking, how can we, youknow, really get more people
(04:38):
to, you know, understand what'sgoing on around the country.
So I went and found Eric Haslam and acouple other guys and said, Hey, what
we're going to do is we're going to puttogether this, this, this, this, this.
Top 25 of college basketball.
And we're going to talk to you guysbecause you guys are from Seattle
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and Wisconsin, North Carolinaand Maine, and we're going to
put together the top 25 teams.
Now, these were basically peoplewho had no radio experience,
had just passion for the game.
And so it first started out as a20 minute segment on a radio show.
(05:20):
And then I still thought, youknow, maybe I need to put this out.
And put it on the website.
And so it then became a podcast.
And so, you know, every, everyThursday night at 6 30, I'm recording
the show, that 20 minute segment.
And then I edit myself out andlet the host, the other host of
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the radio show do the audio live.
So while I'm talking to, youknow, I might be talking to Eric
Haslam and from hasslemetrics.
com and having him explain, youknow, why Marquette is not to be
trusted during the NCAA tournament.
Or I might be having them break, you know,Michael Hunter break down a specific ACC
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team and why Duke might not be the teamthat everyone thinks they are right now.
And so it became.
One of those things where I wantedto not have it where my guys
here in Lubbock knew everything.
There are a bunch of talented,independent people out here, like
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the talented, independent podcastersthat are all around the world.
I wanted to have their voices.
And so by having their voices.
Then it looks like we've got expertsfrom Northeast, South and West
coming together for one thing.
And so because of that, then once westarted putting it out, everyone's
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like, man, this is good content.
And I was like.
Well, I guess we're going to put it inan RSS feed and that's, and that's, that
was the basis of, you know, you know,starting the rock and 25 and the rock and
pregame, you know, putting, putting thaton as a podcast, because there are some
people that couldn't listen to the show.
(07:15):
and wanted to hear it after theshow was over or they were at work.
They were at lunch, whatever.
Danny (07:21):
Right.
And, and now I got to admit, I'm acomplete noob when it comes to basketball
and you can blame it or I'm going toblame on my UK childhood anyway, but
it's football like soccer for me.
Obviously we did have basketball,but it wasn't a huge game.
So with the show focusing on collegebasketball, what's the appeal for a
noob like me, what's the appeal forcollege basketball specifically for
(07:42):
a podcast and show that you're doingas opposed to the main NBA itself?
Sean (07:47):
If you compare college basketball and the NBA, someone's thing, someone
would say that the NBA is two things.
The NBA is dunks or three pointersand it's either, you know, go
for an easy pass dunk or, youknow, a give and go two man game.
(08:12):
And that's it.
The NBA game like the NBA all star game.
200 points of yawn, but the collegegame, when it comes down to things
like UMBC beating Virginia, a 16seed, which had never happened
(08:34):
before in the history of the NBA,I'm sorry, the NCAA, that passion.
A 16 seed beating a one seed.
You don't get that in the NBA.
You've got the super teams.
You've got the, you know, Lakers,the Knicks, the Celtics, you know,
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the Bulls, the Mavs Golden State.
You've got all these big marketteams with exceptional goals.
You got these big market teams.
And these big attitudes and you reallydon't have an underdog and what March
madness and what the NCAA provides thatthe NBA totally does not provide is
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any one can win any game at any time.
Anytime.
Absolutely.
Without a doubt.
I mean, you can, you can have halfcourt shots that, that, you know,
I mean, how many times during theNCAA tournament are people thinking
that 12 seeds will be the five seed?
(09:40):
It happens.
So that, that's the thing that it's,I mean, what kind of, are you a, what
soccer team are you a, a backer of?
Danny (09:52):
So I'm Arsenal, Arsenal's my team.
Okay.
So
Sean (09:55):
let's, let's think of if Burnley beat Arsenal, you know,
let's say Wrexham beat Arsenal, youwould lose your ever loving mind.
But to fans of football, thatwould be the greatest thing
ever to have such a huge upset.
(10:16):
That's that's why the NCAA is athousand times better than the
NBA, because even though the NCAA,you have super teams, what NIL.
And the transfer portal allowed isyou can't how, you know, Duke in our
latest Rockin 25 basketball poll was 13.
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Now Duke has never been that low.
They've always been a blue blood.
They've, they've always, youknow, final fours and et cetera.
They're not that good a team this year.
And so the thing is, is the underdogsare what makes college basketball a
thousand times better than the NBA.
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when it's throw it up from, throw it upfrom half court, throw it up from beyond
the three point arc or dunk the ball.
Danny (11:09):
Right.
So that's, that's, it'sobviously a huge difference.
And as you mentioned, I can see, youknow, it's kind of like the, the FA cup
in the UK when it comes to football.
That's where the small teams likethe Burnleys, like the Wrexhams get a
chance to go up against, well Burnley'sin the same league at the moment as
Arsenal, but from a cup point of view,Wrexham would be a great example.
They're about threeleagues down from Arsenal.
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So If they went up against them in thecup and beat them, it'd be massive.
It'd be a huge, as yousay, an underdog story.
And, and what I like about the showas well is I do like the sports format
where it's almost like that was, it'sa sports format, a basketball show, but
college basketball show, but I do likethe, the, the sports presentation format
where you've got multiple hosts, they'regiven lots of stats and why they're
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picking the teams that they're going withand the picks that they're going with.
And it made me realize that I feel howhuge, like college basketball must be.
In the U S because I'm, I'm guessingwhen, when putting a show together
and you can talk about that.
What's the process of gettingthe stats about these teams?
Because I can imagine a UKequivalent with a soccer.
(12:09):
I wouldn't know any stats aboutmaybe a Wrexham or a Cambridge
city or someone like that.
So how do you put a show together?
How do the experts get thatinformation and all the data?
And I don't want this to sound rude,and I apologize if it does, but what's
essentially college teams versus the pro,you know, the pro leagues, for example.
Sean (12:28):
College, you know, stats are easily available out there.
Each NCAA school will put outa box score after the game and.
It is easily accessible.
There are, there are places that youcan scrape stats off of, you know,
like Eric Haslam from hazlometrics.
(12:49):
com.
He has a stat provider thatprovides all the stats for him.
And then he has his analytics that takesall the stats and he puts it together.
And boom.
It's there.
And so he can tell you that, youknow, in his, in his top 25 right now,
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Houston's the number one team followedby Purdue, UConn, Auburn, and Tennessee.
And he can say that, you know,offensively the strongest team is Purdue.
Beyond a shadow of a doubt,but defensively, the team that
absolutely is incredible is Houston.
They, you can get intothe tiny nitty gritty.
(13:31):
And also when we're recording it,I have a script for them where I'm
going to tell them, okay, we'regoing to talk about this week.
We're going to talk about we'regonna talk about court storming.
We're going to talk about the big 12 and,and how any team, you know, can, can win
there, what's the strongest conference.
You know, will Gonzaga be.
(13:53):
You know, make any roads in there.
So they have an idea ofwhat I'm going to ask them.
And then, then, then what they'll do isthey'll say, okay, I'm going to check the
stats and I'm going to say, okay, yeah.
You know, Tennesseehasn't gotten out of the.
Sweet six gotten past the sweet 16for this many years so they can find
(14:14):
if they know what I'm going to talkabout They can find and find the
stats that support their discussion.
Danny (14:23):
And obviously that level of detail in that level of research.
It suits you perfectly for the, thebasketball, the college basketball show.
But I'm going to assume that must alsohelp you with your other podcasts,
which we'll, we'll certainly delveover to and talk about that one.
Cause this is like a realinteresting concept for me.
The other podcast is called Beyondthe Mic and it's the perfect name
(14:45):
for the show, given its premise.
So can you share moredetails about Beyond the Mic?
Sean (14:50):
Beyond the Mic came from the concept of my grandmother and grandfather.
My grandfather was worked for thearmy air corps, which was before
the air force and my as he wasprofessor of psychology and sociology.
And he, he was incredible.
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And my grandmother taught and wasa speech and hearing professor.
She had her own practice.
And they would tell me such amazingstories, my grandfather from the great
depression, my grandmother of the starsand people that she, that she helped
with her, with her practice in school.
(15:33):
I never with all the passion that I havefor telling stories and hearing stories,
I never put a microphone in front of them.
And recorded any of them, noneof them, not a, not a single one.
And so, because of that, with theexception of the stories that I know and
(15:53):
I remember, and that I can tell to anyoneat any time, those stories are lost.
And so, When Beyond the Mic was started,was started with the concept of my
boss was in the office next to me andhe had this American idol star and
(16:15):
he had this promoter that was saying,Hey, I've got this American idol star.
We need you to do someradio, blah, blah, blah.
And my boss wasn't buying it.
Put the person on mute and hegoes, I don't want to do this.
And so I come across aroundthe corner and go, I'll do it.
(16:36):
And he's looking at me like, you'll do it.
I'm like, yeah, I'll do it.
I'll do it.
I'm, you know, it's like theold life life cereal commercial,
you know, Mikey, I'll eat it.
Michael, eat anything.
I'll do it.
I'll do anything.
And so the first episode ofBeyond the Mic, the first 92
(16:57):
episodes, you'll never hear.
Because the first 92 episodes, I was,I put them out and then I realized
they're not what I want them to be.
And so the first 92, we're just figuringout what I wanted to do, the format,
how I wanted it, who I wanted totalk to, how I wanted to get it done.
(17:21):
And the format and theway I do things changes.
If you listen to the firstBeyond the Mic, you'll hear it.
Episode two, the Beyond the Mic episodethat I did, you know, yesterday,
it'll be completely different.
You'll have make, you'llhave three main parts.
You'll have intro and main main threemain questions, which allows them
(17:46):
to talk about whatever it is thatthey're there for, whether it be for,
A, you know, an actor or an artist,an author, or someone interesting
that I feel like you need to know.
And they get their ability thatfour or five minutes to three,
four or five minutes to, youknow, Hey, this is what I'm doing.
(18:06):
I'm doing this story.
I'm doing this article.
I'm doing this movie.
I'm doing this song.
And then we go into the Rockin eight.
And the Rockin eight is whereBeyond the Mic is completely
different than anybody else.
I've had guests who will refuse to goon the air because of the Rockin eight.
The Rockin eight iseight random questions.
(18:26):
It could be anything, but whatthey don't know is, is that 90
percent of the Rockin eight isbased off of them and their history.
So, so for example, if I was going todo a Rockin eight on you, I talked about
the, the, you know, your love of Arsenal.
So what was the last Arsenal game youwent to, you know, what's your, what's
(18:49):
your favorite moment as an Arsenal fan?
What's, you know, whatgot you into podcasting?
What was the best lessonthat a teacher ever gave you?
Who's, who's the person who inspired you?
There's five questions there.
Now, those five questions probablywould not have been asked by
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any other person, whether it be,what do you like in your coffee?
Do you put, do you put aflavorings in your, in your water?
By doing that, by breaking down the.
From the three initial questionswhere I get them to give me the
same answer, they will give to 99.
(19:33):
999 percent of every otherinterview that's out there.
If you listen to any interview, ifyou go and search for any TV or radio
interview, whether it be an actor orartist, an author, people will ask the
same two or three different questions.
And they have a pat answer thatthey give the exact same words.
(19:57):
And so the Rockin' Eight forces themout of that comfort zone, and then
we'll separate into part three, whichis either the back half, which is the
ability for me to have more deep indepth questions that may pertain about
whatever they're talking about, maynot pertain to, it may pertain to their
(20:21):
hobbies, their interests, who they are.
I want to go beyond what everyone knows.
If I get one person to say, youknow, Sean, that's a great question.
That's done.
No one's ever asked me that.
Perfect.
Those are the things Danny Iwant, because if you're learning
(20:45):
and I'm learning, I'm learning.
And there's a story that they've toldme that no one else has known as long as
that RSS feed is up and as long as thataudio is there, their story is not lost.
And then the final thing, if we don't havetime for the back half or sneaking in a
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couple more, it'll be one big question.
And there's a question that is meantto make somebody think somebody give
an answer is not something that youcould get off the top of your head.
If you have to pause for five orsix or 10, 30 seconds to say, man,
(21:29):
I don't know how to answer this.
That right there showsvulnerability and it shows.
It shows that we're all human.
I don't have pat answers.
I kind of knew where we were goingwith, with, with this interview and
with, you know, explaining my otherpodcast, but I didn't know what
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you were specifically going to ask.
And that vulnerability iswhat makes us all good.
Danny (21:57):
And what I think, I mean you made some excellent points there about what
the format does and what I really enjoyabout the show, as I've been catching
up with the episodes, is you do havesome amazing, well, you have amazing
guests on there, period but some of thenames that I recognize that I wanted
to just bring up, You had Lea Thompson,who's a huge teenage crush of mine
(22:17):
ever since I saw her in Some Kind ofWonderful, and that's never gone away.
You had Robbie Tacak of the Goo GooDolls, Alex Winter, the actor you
know, obviously most well known, Iguess, for the Bill and Ted movies.
And then recently, the most recentepisode I listened to was with
Gloria Gaynor, massive disco queen.
So I'm curious with some of these gueststhat you have on, being more sort of
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celebrity or more well known, obviously.
You've got very interesting and verywell known guests in their niches.
But with these particular guests, whatwas your process for identifying which
ones you wanted to bring on to theshow and then actually getting them on?
Sean (22:54):
Let me just say that I have got some Outstanding
talent, bookers, and everything.
I have a archive right now that if I'dstopped recording and just put out an
episode from all my archives of thingsthat I've gotten in the last three
months, I have 50 or so episodes thatI could put out right here, right now.
(23:22):
And you'd still.
They'd still be incredible.
The basis of it is if theyare willing to tell a story,
I am willing to listen to it.
I think that's what's different,you know, with Gloria Gaynor, that
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whole, you know, Gloria's episode wasbasically promoting, I will survive
her, her, her documentary movie.
You know, it's one of those things ofone of the questions in the Rocking
Eight was what was the hardestcourse you had for your bachelor's
in behavioral science degree that shejust got and she's like statistics.
(24:05):
I hate statistics.
And it opened her up in away that by allowing that in,
you found out more about her.
And I've got incredible peoplewho say, Sean, I've got X.
Can you fit him or her in?
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And that is the ultimate honor to me.
I've had actors, authors, you know,and I've got things that were, where.
You know, this stuff goes on theradio, and then it also goes on
to my goes on to the podcast.
The key to finding who you want andwho you, who you want in is there
(24:47):
are some people that have told me,Sean, you need to do just actors.
You need to do just artists.
You need to do just artists.
Authors, but I won't do it.
I'm not going to conformto a specific niche.
You know, I could do, I could,with every author out there,
(25:07):
I could do an author a day.
Every day and still not touch all theauthors that are out there with actors
and artists coming up, I'm going to havea conversation with Elizabeth Hurley.
And the main focus is going to be onher son, Damien and the new movie he
directed, which he got his mom to play in.
(25:31):
He's like, she's like, Hey, when,when you do your first movie, I'll
be in it and he said, I'm, I'm,I'm going to call you in for that.
When these opportunities arethere, they're presented to me.
I'll either say yes or no, and that's it.
It's, it's a matter of oneof the rules that I have and.
(25:53):
I take it from my grandfather.
My grandfather said, the followingsubjects should not be talked
about at the dinner table.
Religion, politics, sex.
And I try to, as the hardest, toI've had political figures on.
You know, I had Newt Gingrich on.
(26:14):
And Newt Gingrich, you know, itwas, you know, talking about a
political, you know, a political book.
First question I asked him was about histhesis that he did to graduate college.
Opened up him up to a different level.
(26:35):
He sent me a personal thankyou saying that this was the
best interview he ever had.
And three, the key, the keypart of the whole thing is we
never got into the politics.
I don't want to have where my guestsfeel like, you know, my listeners
feel like Sean's going to have anotherliberal conservative independent.
(27:01):
I want them to say, Sean's gotsomeone who, who's And he's going
to get them to tell us a story.
That's what I want.
I don't want to deal with stuff thatmakes one side or the other cringe.
Everyone has a story.
Everyone has thatopportunity to tell a story.
(27:22):
We may not be good atit, but that's the thing.
You know, I had, I had somebody who,who wanted to come on the show and no
matter what I tried, they were not going,we're not going to do the Rocking Eight.
I'm not going to do one big question.
I'm just going to giveyou my talking points.
And I said, have a nice day.
(27:44):
I didn't do it.
I Danny, I, I don't wantto be like everything else.
I had somebody who's a podcast.
Expert something to come to me and said,well, you don't put a lot of you in there.
Nobody knows who you are.
And I'm like, that's great.
(28:05):
The only thing that's that'sthat needs to be there is Beyond
the Mic with Sean Dillon, that'sthe only part where you're over.
And I don't even say my name.
I would say Beyond the Mic, you know, andAnna Wigg, great voiceover artist intros
the show, and then we go right into it.
I'm not going to bore you with fluff.
I'm not going to make it where you haveto listen to 10 minutes of me telling
(28:30):
you about what happened in my week.
I am a conduit to a story.
That's it.
I will bring up my kids occasionallywhen it is relevant to a guest, but
other than that, it's not about me.
Never about me.
It is always about the guest.
(28:53):
I'm different.
I don't, I don't know what else to,I don't know what else to say to any,
because the thing is, is that I am hereto tell a story and to share a story.
Whether I am 5, 438th in the artschart, or 500th in the arts chart,
or number one in the arts chart,I'm still going to tell a story.
Danny (29:16):
And speaking of stories, a little birdie, well you, mentioned
that you once drove a golf cart withOprah and Burl Ives as your passengers.
And I've just got to say,spill the beans, man.
But what's going on now?
Sean (29:33):
Okay.
This is my other podcast isgets this, this is an exclusive.
No one's heard this story before.
So when I was 17 and 18, I drove carts,golf carts in the Cleveland International
Airport for a security company.
And so I was in charge of takinghandicapped persons and VIPs
(29:59):
to the gate long way away.
And so when VIPs would come, they'relike, Sean, don't say anything.
Don't ask for anything.
Just get into the gate.
And I'd go, okay, sir, I got you.
And one day Oprah Winfreycomes in with a entourage of
(30:22):
entourage filling up every seat.
And I was going to talk to her, I couldn'tget in that word in an edgewise, she
wanted to know everything about me.
And so I took it, took her to the gate.
She signed it.
She said, I want to give you an autograph.
Found something.
(30:42):
And she signed, you know, toSean, thanks for the ride, Oprah.
I still have it to this day.
And then I just created, I'vegot an autograph book and the
autograph book was always on thefront page of the, the front seat.
So if anyone wanted to sign the book andI had sports stars and celebrities in.
(31:03):
Burl Ives, at this time is rightbefore he passed, came and was going
on a plane ride, took him to thegate and he re he's like, I'm not
going to write an autograph book.
I'm going to give you something special.
And he found out about me becausehe wouldn't, again, another person
(31:27):
that went, would, would, wanted to,wanted to talk and tell stories.
And ask me about me and, you know, witha name like Sean, you're a good Irishman.
And then when he found out I hadbrothers and sisters with Tara,
Patrick, Kirsten, Kelly, Liam.
You know, so I have a folderthat's To Sean, you know, a
(31:48):
good Irishman, I once lived nearLimerick for a time, for our lives.
And so, for, for that,those rides helped me.
Keep in my mind that sometimesit's not about the star, it's about
(32:09):
the person that the Star is with.
Danny (32:12):
Right?
Sean (32:13):
It's Danny, it's, it's never gonna be about me.
It's gonna be somebody else's story.
You know, for the rock in 25, Itake my audio out and let the Jeff
Jarrett and Pete get the glory.
I don't have to have a parade for me.
It's not my story.
(32:33):
And so, so for Oprah and Burl and GeorgePeppard and Brooke Shields, all the people
I've met during that time in Cleveland.
It was nice.
It was cool, but I learned more abouthow they perceived people and how
(32:54):
they wanted people to perceive them.
Danny (32:57):
And I think we can forget that because it's obviously
there's huge celebrities.
Very well known.
Oprah, mega media mogul, obviously.
And I think sometimes we forgetthere's still a normal person, like
normal air quotes for anybody that'slistening to the audio version of this.
But we sometimes forget they're justnormal people behind the celebrity.
And.
They do just want to talk to someoneand have a normal conversation and
(33:19):
find out about the people that theyexperience for a moment of their
day or a moment of their time.
And I feel there's like a show inthere as well, like maybe even a
video show where you're, you're goingabout in your golf buggy, your golf
cart, and you've got a celebrity.
It's almost like what's that carpoolkaraoke before carpool karaoke came
along, but the spoken version, I thinkthat'd be a cool concept, you know, where
the, the, the celebrities are basicallyinterviewing you as opposed to vice versa.
Sean (33:44):
It's, it's all, all so interesting.
But the funny part is, is that Ireally don't do a lot of interviews.
I mean, you're probably, you'reprobably the second person
that I've allowed to interview.
No third person I've allowedto interview me in this.
And the reason is, isthat it's not my story.
If you want to hear mystory, I'll tell it to you.
(34:05):
I'll I could, I could tell youabout, you know, how, how I got
into radio and escaping from.
From being a, a Radio Shack store manager,you know, I like hearing people's stories.
One of the things that caused me to dothis is when you're the oldest of six
(34:25):
kids and you go to a big, huge familyreunion of 300 people and you know,
There's, there's like nine, 10 kids youknow, of our age of seven or seven to
10, you know, you have to, to learn totalk to older people real quick because,
you know, that's, that's what it is.
(34:48):
So having conversations was.
a better way of having a conversationand listening to what people are asking
are sometimes better use of our time.
Danny (35:01):
And I feel that's a really nice segue into for people that
want to know more about Sean.
I know you're saying that it's notabout you and I completely get that.
But for people that do want toknow about you, Sean, whether
that's on the Rockin 25 College
basketball show, the Beyond the Mic show, which I do feel Anybody
(35:22):
that enjoys storytelling and gettingto know a bit more about people that
they thought they might have known,where can people connect with you?
Listen to the podcasts, et cetera.
Sean (35:32):
Okay.
For the Rockin 25, it's available whereveryou find pocket podcast, R O C K I N.
And for Beyond the Mic, you canbe on the mic is everywhere.
You can find it on the good pods app.
You can find it on Beyond the Mic.
com, Apple.
It's everywhere.
Danny (35:53):
All the good places and some not so good places to like, it's, it's like
the ad where you can you can find it inall good bookstores or all good record
stores on a new book or album comes out.
Sean (36:01):
Yeah.
But, but.
Danny, wouldn't it be nice where you couldgo Beyond the Mic available in all sketchy
places that you wouldn't normally go to?
It'd be great.
It'd be awesome.
It'd be, it'd be awesome.
I might do that for an outro one time.
Yes.
Please like, subscribe and find us in allthe sketchy places that you never know.
Danny (36:21):
That'd be, that'd be like a cool guerrilla marketing thing where you get
sort of little stickers made with maybe aQR codes or whatever you wanted to have.
And you just say, okay obviously your,your rock and radio show is, it's kind
of based around the Texas Lubbock,Texas city, but it handles all sports.
But say, okay, if you go into thislocal college basketball Cafeteria
or coffee shop or something andyou find this little sticker.
(36:43):
You'll get this little bonus But you'vegot this cool little almost like a
little mini treasure hunt I think thatyou should do that mate and put them
in some sketchy areas as well Thoughlittle dive bars and and stuff because
ecology is gonna be dive bars in there
Sean (36:55):
Dive bars and you know, if the post office doesn't kick you out, you know, you
put it on all the wanted posters, you know
Danny (37:03):
I think I'm going to run into something here.
You need to trademarkthat right away, mate.
Get it, get it lockedin, locked and loaded in.
So Sean, I reallyappreciate you coming on.
I could spend another half an hour,40 minutes more chatting with you,
but I really appreciate you comingon and no doubt, I know I'm going to
continue listening to Beyond the Mic,and you know what, I'm going to start
listening to more of the Rockin 25 andsee if I can understand the college
(37:26):
basketball and get a little bit moreknowledge there for this Brit that's
delving into, you know, American sports.
Sean (37:33):
All I'm going to tell you is this right now, March is the
perfect time because the NCAAtournament is about ready to come.
We're going to educate you.
We're going to helpyou fill out a bracket.
You've probably never filled outa bracket before, but you can fill
out a bracket and follow along and.
I'm just going to give you a tip,don't pick any of the 16 seeds.
(37:54):
Just don't.
Danny (37:56):
Even though it'd be a good story and a good underdog
story, don't pick the 16 seeds.
Sean (38:00):
I wouldn't pick any 16 seeds this year.
Danny (38:03):
I will keep that in mind.
So again, Sean, thanks so muchfor appearing on the show today.
Danny, thank you so much.
So thank you for joining ustoday on My Other Podcast Is.
If you prefer the audio version, youcan follow online at myotherpodcast.
com or on your favorite podcastapp or some sketchy podcast app.
I'm sure Sean would befollowing our sketchy app.
And if you're on the YouTubes, besure to hit that like and subscribe
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so you don't miss an episode.
Take care and we'll see you next time.
Thanks for listening.
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Take care, and I'll see you nexttime on My Other Podcast Is.
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