Sister Wives S1 E5 - First Wife's 20th Anniversary - My Sister Wives Podcast

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Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Ali, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.

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with you. What does the nanny do?
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Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim,
sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love
you. Welcome, welcome, welcome.

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It's my Sister Wives podcast. I don't know, it doesn't quite
flow. I know we do a lot of fact
checking. Maybe more should be done.
Maybe we haven't learned our lesson yet.
So many lessons learned. Today we're going to be
discussing Season 1, episode 5 of Sister Wives First Wife's
20th Anniversary. It's interesting that we're 5

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episodes in. You were commenting about how
the episode seemed to go quickly, and I agree.
Yeah, it was really fast moving and I would say not a lot
covered in theory. That seems to be the pattern of
that first episode had so many things, yes, And then every

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episode senses kind of dwindled.And so we're going to take an
opportunity to actually talk about a couple things from
Becoming Sister Wives, the book released by the Brown family.
I wonder when, I don't quite know when it came out, like as
far as when in the show, but they refer to moving to Vegas.
So it's years down the road or ayear or two down the road from

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this. And so a couple things to point
out. There were tidbits from the
book. Their very first house, the OG 3
OG three OG 3. I like this.
This is new development. New development.
Mary Janelle Christine Their first house in Powell, WY was

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only 1000 square feet according to their book and had Cody the
OG three and three babies in diapers at one time in 1000
square feet. Oh.
My God, what did this house looklike?
Do you know? I don't I there were no photos
of it. There's a little photo section
in the book, but it's, it's kindof like what TLC gives us.
Oh. My gosh.

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There's like family photos and you know.
Do you think it's like a three bedroom like rambler where he
just like went room to room? See, I think I'm not sure if
this is they reference being in a trailer like having a mobile
home at some point. And I don't know if that's this
1000 square foot home. I kind of assumed.
So I just don't know like I feellike they even in the show say

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we were in a single wide. I'm like, does a single wide
become 1000 square feet? But I think yes, because
apartments can be 1000 square feet and they're not huge, so.
Well, the like, main level of myhouse is like 1000 square feet.
Yeah, like, yeah, it's, it's, I get it.
I'm just trying to picture it because.
So to clarify, you have read thebook.
I have not read the book. So I get these tidbits just as

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everyone else's. And I'm like, Oh my goodness,
What? What are you talking about?
And so I'm just trying to picture them all not in
necessarily like separate livingquarters that they're like
roomies. They're probably sharing paper
thin walls in a mobile home. A manufacturer.
Ultimately. Like paper thin walls.

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Oh my God. And they made it as far as they
did. All three, yes, all three of
them, knocked up, all three of them with children very early
on. I shouldn't say very early on,
but early on, well, they're all three together.
For a hot minute. Christine lived on her own in a
cottage. Like they rented some little
cottage or something. I don't know how long that
lasts. They said they had to get rid of

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it because they couldn't afford it.
Not to be confused with Janelle and her night in the TP that was
separate. No, OK, Christine in the cottage
is a whole another adventure. Christine Cottage, Janelle TV
Check. Got it.
As far as we know, she made it more than a few hours in the
cottage, but they had to get ridof it 'cause they had no money.
And then Cody got a job in Lehigh.
And so they moved to the currentplague house, the three

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apartments, the split level home, because Cody got a job
where he would be able to be home more reasonably and on a
daily basis. It's hard for me to connect the
dots because there's references to Cody selling billboards,
selling guns, selling different things.
He's a salesman. And I don't know what jobs are
what, but apparently he was super broke all the time.

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And then he got an opportunity in Lehigh to probably still be
broke but be home more often. So the wives contributed.
They, you know, Janelle always worked, Mary worked and then for
a while Christine worked as wellat night.
So Christine would be like taking care of the kids and then
working at night. Oh my God.
While Cody was the traveling salesman.
So there's it'll be funny because yes, it was clear that

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they weren't doing super well off money wise in this episode
anyway, there was a fun tie intoquestioning the cost of
something, which we just get to yes, sterical.
Absolutely. And then another tidbit from the
book is that when the kids were young, Mary and Christine used
to cut and sew them clothing, like matching outfits and sets.

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They were homeschooled and the parents were obviously on a
strict budget. And I think there's reference in
the book to them, like taking holiday photos and all the kids
being like in the same outfit and stuff.
And I think it's interesting howmuch has changed now, you know,
like how they are now compared to that, like hand sewing,
matching outfits for the little ones and where they are today.

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Like that would never happen. That would never happen.
I think part of that is just like time though too.
Like, I can picture a photo of myself and my siblings in hand
sewn clothing from an aunt that we got and wow, I mean, no, they
were lovely pieces of clothing. I'm sure at the time the photo

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is hysterical, right? So I think it was just kind of
the time that that's when you did that.
And also like you didn't, it seemed frivolous to go shopping
for things and spend money on that when you could have a
couple yards of fabric and make all these outfits or something.
Right. Like yeah, different day,
different time for sure. Yeah, I think me and my brothers

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had. We would have sweater, like we'd
all have the same sweater from like a college that my grandma
taught at and stuff, but I don'tknow that we ever were in
homemade clothing. I guess we just didn't have the
talent in our family for that. I.
Was so lucky. So jumping into the episode, I
have to ask you, I have not googled this.

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So once again, we heard like theJanelle of podcasts.
Love you Janelle colada ring. Do you know what word they're
saying? OK, so I wrote down in quotes
with a question mark behind it because I have no idea.
Now part of me wants to tie thisback to like, ridiculous.

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There's some stupid show. What the heck is that show where
it's based in? Because they said it was like an
Irish promise ring or something like that.
So there is something where I feel like I've heard that in
another show. Very different show.
Not the same as this. I if I'm spelling out what I
think that word is and zero factbehind this, I'm hearing and

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thinking CLOTTER clutter ring. Oh, there's an R.
That's but it could be clutter ring unclear.
So I have just as much guidance as you do in in, in that I was
not not clear on what they were saying.

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That Utah like polygamy. Accent.
Accent definitely messes with some words as well, so I don't
really know what the word is. I wrote down colada.
Sounds like what they're saying.But yeah, traditional Irish
symbol. Mary said that they all have
their own wedding rings and thenthey also have a colada ring

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that is kind of their symbol, their family symbol.
It seemed like it was some sort of like tie between the women
together, right? Like solidarity between the
women. It was like there, there was
like hands up around hearts in the ring and stuff, right?
Like it was them holding their love together.

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Yeah, I know. I I don't even know how to
describe the symbol of the like the jewelry, I guess.
But it does look like multiple things, like it's like.
AI think it was like hands holding hearts and they got more
expensive depending on what was inside the har, what the heart
was made of, right, 'cause 'cause there was sterling
silver. And while that was the most an

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expensive one, they also thoughtit had the best detail.
Yeah, yeah. So they wanted to go with that.
Now there were others that had like pretty stones as the heart
and they did not think that was as great also because it cost
what, $150.00? Did you see the price points?
She said, oh, that one's $150.00.

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Janelle was like ixnaying it right away.
She was like, oh, that price, that's too much for me.
I guess the price is going to rule out some of these for me.
And $150.00 was too much. No, I mean, I guess thinking
back to that time and like I know there would be certainly
times that I would be like, no, I wouldn't spend 150 bucks on a

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ring. Are you kidding me?
You know, but this seems like something like super important
and symbolic and, and they were like, no, so they didn't say the
end result, what the price was. I don't know what the difference
was, but I'm thinking maybe theygot like a $50 ring right of
$150.00 ring. Yes, it does work out great for
Janelle's sensibilities because she said she liked the cheapest

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and then they all agreed. Literally.
And she was like, yeah, the price is going to be what makes
a choice for me. She didn't even hide it.
She was like, yeah, we don't have a lot of money.
She like kind of giggles about it, which is so her to just be
like I'm going to pick the cheapest 1 and like that's
whatever. And it just so happened to work
out. Oh my God I loved it so good.
They did say while they were shopping for this ring that

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their goal was to give it to Robin at the wedding reception.
So I suspect that the way the editing was that it was probably
Mary's idea. Or at least Mary was kind of
driving the conversation about it and seemed like they all
leaned in as like a like you said, like a symbol of their new
unity. Long as it doesn't cost too
much. The salesperson asked what the

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ring was for, and Janelle pointsout that it's best to be vague.
I was interesting to hear her talk about how she used to say
it was for a sister. Like a sister was a fall back
for her. Yeah, which makes sense.
I you know, it was funny becausethese are just some of the
moments that catch me off guard sometimes with the show, because
when we were watching it originally, I don't think some

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of that stuff jumped out as much.
Like you were focused on other things, right?
It wasn't like, Oh my gosh, theyreally had to figure out how to
navigate so many conversations about their family and their
life and how they live it. I thought maybe they were
dramatizing a couple of things because they were like, oh,
people just get all big eyed andwhat are they doing?

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And oh, they think all this stuff about us.
I think maybe they're assuming people care a lot more than they
probably do, but maybe also in the area that they live.
I don't know, maybe it is that that intense, but I didn't think
about that before. I've never thought about that
before. One of the moments, they kind of
flashed back and forth between the ring shopping and then some

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little interviews and stuff, youknow, whatever.
And Mary's outfit in the first like set of interviews.
Did you notice her shirt? It was the same as when her and
Cody are talking later on in theshow.
She it was a whole thing, but itwas funny because where the
camera cut off, the camera cuts off right at her boob.
But when you see her like stand up or like a more full shot,

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it's like a little titty shirt. It's like a pink sparkly like
belly shirt. But she has on a full like long
sleeved cotton shirt underneath it.
Of course, right? We're layers, we're layering
everything. Everything is layered, but it's
like this. This titty shirt when you're
saying titty shirt? Please.

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I've never heard this phrase before.
I don't know that it's a real phrase.
I can't think of what the actualphrase is, but what do the girls
wear? Like the girls like it's like a
cut off, like whatever. But like it literally goes.
If she didn't have that shirt underneath, she would be wearing
basically like a swimsuit top. It was so bizarre.
And it's the sparkly pink whatever.

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You know what, now that I think about it, probably was not one
shirt layered on top of another.That was probably how the shirt
was built, right? The shirt was built within the
bottom half of it hung down, butit looks like a titty shirt.
We're we're bringing it. We're we're starting this titty
shirt, titty shirt. And it was interesting.

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It's just, it's so funny becauseshe, she's the oldest, right?
I think so. So as we get through the episode
2, there's points where like Robin is sitting on the couch
with the other two, and Robin looks like a teenager compared
to Christine and Janelle. But Mary looks like a teenager
in these clips when it's just her and Cody together and she's

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in the sparkly pink whatever. I'm like, what are you doing?
It's very confusing. It's very hard to place their
ages right now. Holy cow.
The layering of the shirts is definitely there's a lot of
spaghetti strap with full shirt underneath, like all over the
place. Yes, but I'm really, really
thinking like harder about it asI analyze further because this

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is what's important in my life. And I don't think Mary ever
would have bought a titty shirt and thought that Oh yes,
obviously I'll layer this over another, right?
Like that's not a thought process style choice she's
making in her mind. So this has to all be built as
one shirt. And yeah, you'll just have to go

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back and book. Do you think that Robin or do
you think Mary's? I wonder if Mary would wear a
shirt like that prior to Robin coming around, you know?
Hey, it's not like her. What did you call her shirt in
the first episode? Oh yeah, her little house on the
Mary. Oh my God, the little house on
the Mary, it is not a little house on the Mary.

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It is Mary is trying to compete with the younger woman.
Yeah, most certainly 150. It's Mary being like, this is my
MTV shirt. Oh my gosh, you know, but hey,
to be honest, Mary looks youngerthan Christine and Janelle.
True, part of it due to the attire, but also like her face,
her hair, she's she is bright and shiny, you know, so I will

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give her some credit there. It's very interesting.
Yeah, she does. I noticed that too throughout
the episode that Mary has a I don't know if I would use the
word effervescence, but a. Funny of you to taunt it for her
though. I'm not quite going there, but.
Right. But she does have like AI.

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It'll be super curious to see what happens after the first
season, like after they've watched themselves on TV and
have been able to react to see how she changes because I feel
like there is a change in her. Like she seems really authentic.
She seems pretty, I don't know if it's light, but kind of like
because she does talk about someheavy things, but she seems to

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have like a positive aura about her and I can't say that that's
a consistency of Mary in the future, so.
I kind of just can't wait to watch the rest of it play out.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, I it's so different second time around
where we are today in this crazyatmosphere.

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Absolutely. We do end up going to Robin's
half home. The I know, I know it's I we go
to Robin's place and her half house.
Well, I still I like saying halfhome.
I feel like it's homey and I don't remember who was sitting
next to her other than Brianna, but she's sitting at the counter

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and and she's talking about, I don't remember what she's even
talking about, frankly, because it's Robin like, who gives a
fuck? But she's like talking about
something. And then they're showing a
cutaway to her showing that family, the family photos of the
four wives, the three wives and the girlfriend and Cody.
And she's pointing to it being like, oh, this is our family and

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asking Brianna about who the people are.
And when she gets to Cody, she asks who's this?
And she goes daddy. And it's just so bizarre because
this girl has a daddy. Missed this.
She has a biological father thatsure doesn't live down the
street but like it's not like she is like a fatherless child

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like she has a bio dad. They've known this man like
months at this. Point like 60 days yeah.
I mean, he is not her daddy. It's gross.
It's very like forcing this thing to.
Happen. Yeah, yeah.
Gross. Kind of gave me the X.
Yeah, I I missed that part. I think the only part I caught
of that conversation, because I got bored very quickly, was that

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Robin was like, I'm just trying to find my place here.
Like I'm just trying to figure. And that was like what started
it off. And I had an immediate eye roll
instantly. And then waited until she was
done talking. Yeah, I know.
Like now that you say that, I dorecall that, but I did not care
at all. And it was just like fucking
Robin talking like Oh my God, Robin. 5 episodes in and I'm

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already like fuck you Robin. Well, we were that way from day
one. True.
Yeah, not pretend. This is the first time we've
said that. That's true.
That's true. Is there anything that you
wanted to cover before switchingto Leon, talking about military
ambition? No, that was the next thing I
had noted too. And I think, wow, yeah, I that

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was that was an that was the biggest moment of interest, I
would say from the show. So yeah, what did you think?
I feel like prior to this, so something being in episode 5
that is interesting is we've only had brief intros to the
kids, like when they went through who was what child was,
what belonged to what mother. I don't know how you want to

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phrase that. The children the the brother
from a different mother, the sister from a different Mr. The
same Mr. Same Mr. Shit. I was like, I knew I didn't get
that right. God.
Yes, so we've only had brief introductions and then there was
the scene of the girls like, youknow, planning a party for
Robin. And then we did get to see, oh

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gosh, the oldest son making breakfast.
But we haven't really dove into any of the children's details in
a sense. And so having Leon sitting in
the in Mary's place, it looks like Mary's unit.
I'm assuming. I'm assuming because it was very
like. Looked very merry.
The counters were real clean. There was like, there's nothing

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on the island. Like, it was very merry, merry.
Mary coded merry, merry. And so they cut to this kind of
conversation where Leon is saying that they want to join
the Naval Academy in Annapolis and they're hoping to become a
doctor. And so going to school in
Maryland is like, you know, the free, well, the no cost option

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if you join the military, the Navy, whatever.
I don't know details about this,but you know, before getting to
Cody's reaction, was there anything that stuck out to you
about what Leon was saying? The, the whole conversation
started and it sounded like Maryhad kind of framed it up a
little bit with like, we have totell you, it didn't.
It didn't seem that way at the beginning, but then afterwards

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it was like, oh, I didn't know what the secret was that you
were going to tell me or something or whatever.
And they, Leon was saying that they didn't want to go to public
school anymore. Yeah, they really, really hated
public school. And so that's what kind of

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stemmed all of this. And it was that, you know, I
don't like it here and I would really like to go.
They called it private school, but then distinguished it as
something different, like through their religion and
culture, like a polygamist private school.
Basically. We can talk about what Cody's

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reactions were, but one of the things he did make a distinction
of was that their school, the polygamist school, wasn't
accredited. So even if you went to that
school, you would then likely have to get a GED.
And that if you did that, you wouldn't be these other dreams

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that you're having, all the onesyou just listed off.
Leon would not be able to do with the school that they were
preferring to go to. And it was very interesting, I
think my initial reaction when Leon said this.
And then Cody, like, he looked like, I don't understand.

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But then what did you like? What did you feel like he gave
all these reasons, like logistical reasons behind the
scenes, but how did you feel about how he actually responded
to Leon, Like as a kid, a fatherand a kid?
Yeah, it it kind of, I hate to say it, but it reminded me of
conversations that I had with myfather because, I mean, I went
to an arts high school for my junior and senior year that my

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parents were supportive of me doing that.
But I felt like I was watching my dad have a conversation with
me in a sense, like he was, you know, kind of like I already
know the answers. I'm going to tell you the
direction. It was a little less like, what
have you found out? What do you know?
Like what are you going through with this journey?
What do you like? It was a little like I hear your

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first thoughts and I'm just going to tell you what the facts
are when it's like, what are youa public school expert now?
Like you know, it's just very Cody to be like I know
everything and I'm going to tellyou about how it is.
But I do like that he at least while I think being a little too
like I'm going to tell you what it's like.
There were also moments where hewas listening and trying to

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understand what the end goal was.
To a certain extent. I think it also feels really
Leon coded that they were uncomfortable with public
school. I feel like it's the first thing
where I'm like, absolutely. As we watch this person's
journey through the show and then through life, even on
social media afterwards, there'sa lot of, I was going to say

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transitions, but there's a lot of changes.
There's a lot of, I feel like fight within and so public
school that's not working. There seems to be something
going on where it's like, I don't like public school.
I want to go back to the privateschool, which is really just a
group of home schools. I feel like as a queer person
myself, I identify with that with kind of being like, I don't

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fit in. This isn't something's not
right, and it might not even be who you are, your gender, your
sexual orientation, but just something's not right.
Like I don't like this. This isn't working for me.
And I think probably most kids don't like going to public
school. But I can say it felt, like I
said as a queer person with a dad, that felt like a queer
person's conversation with a dadas a teenager to me 100%.

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It's so I love the way that you can put yourself in those shoes
a little bit and and tried it because I I can't in the same
fashion. I agree that I think that it is
the the first signs that we've seen anyway that something isn't

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feeling right. Right.
And and whatever that is, we don't, we have no idea really at
this point other than it's public school.
We don't love. And yes, Amen.
Public schools terrible. And we all understand that.
Yeah, gross. But it's worse for a lot than it
is for others. And so that's fair.
So I think that's, that's interesting.
I actually, as I watched it, hisfirst moment of like, not

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understanding, but he did this thing.
And I was actually really, really impressed.
And I wrote down that I think Cody was actually being a really
good dad here. Yeah.
Because Leon said first the public school thing and whatever
else, and he looked at them and and said, OK, you're saying you

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don't like public school and youdon't like it for this reason
and or that reason. He goes, but that's not the full
story. Tell me the rest.
And then they continued into therest of the conversation, which
I, I would say that I think there's still more to the
conversation than what they had,but he asked more questions like
he was really trying to understand it.

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I thought that was really good. And I actually think that any
piece of advice or explanation or whatever, while a lot of
times, yes, that is maybe not the immediate right way to
respond, his points were valid when looking at some of the
other goals that they had. Right.
So I'm like, OK, like, you listen.

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And you know this, like, let's look at him right now, today.
What does he know about any of his kids in that fashion?
And we know that he only knows what he knows about Robin's
kids. He doesn't know about any of his
other kids, their hopes, dreams and desires and certainly isn't
helping them through life. So yeah, I thought it was crazy
because I was like, look, looks like a good dad right now.

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Like he's he's listening, he's paying attention, he understands
the goals and he's trying to help his child work their way
through their life and. It did turn into that.
And I also appreciated that at one point when Leon's talking
about the steps that will have to happen in going through this
Naval Academy journey, becoming a doctor through their programs

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and their whatever, Cody does have like a break in his voice.
And Leon's like, what are you crying?
And he's like, no, I'm not crying.
But then when they show him, he is clearly glossy eyed.
Yeah. And having like a.
Yeah, he was having a loving dadmoment.
Yeah, he was. And it was genuine.
It was. And that's what we lose

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throughout the years. Absolutely.
We lose him being genuine. Yeah, I wrote down that.
It was really cute, actually. Like, it showed that he cares
and is proud of his child. So that was cool.
Yeah. So ridiculous.
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I know.
We've already talked about me being a cancer 1, so here it is.

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It's going to happen. Sorry about that, everybody.
But it reminded me of conversations that I've had.
And I never wanted to join the Naval Academy.
I've never wanted to be a doctor, but it had vibes of that
where you're trying to explain yourself and the things that
you're maybe confused about or struggling with aren't even on
the table and you're not even bringing them up.

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You're not even speaking about it, but you're struggling and I.
Behind the. Scenes, I could feel that.
Yeah, behind the scenes, I think, yeah.
I could definitely feel that after this conversation about
Leon's future and planning for that, they cut to discussion
about this anniversary dinner, the 20th anniversary for Cody
and Mary, 20 years married to Cody Brown.

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She deserves more than she's getting.
Shocking, ladies and gentlemen. Shocking.
Shocking. He says that they're going to
Lakai, which is very fancy. You say that in Utah and people
go, oh, Lakai. I do think it's funny because
one of their daughters does get married at Lakai.

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Oh, really? Seasons later, OK, and so you
actually do get to see more of the property years later and it
is I mean it's a wedding venue They have it was it was cute and
that you can tell they have likegood food and it's a fancy.
It's where you go on an anniversary.
For sure the exterior of the building is like what would you

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even call it? I feel like European stone.
Plan storybook maybe? Yes, I think that's a good Yeah,
beautiful. Beautiful and Cody also mentions
that they're going to go to Mexico to celebrate their
anniversary and Mary says that Cody courting Robin has added
strain. So the getaway will be good for

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them and they're getting ready. And I don't remember if that's a
talking head or if that's in themoment where she says that.
But then they cut to them getting ready to go to this
dinner and you know, Cody makes some smart ass comment.
Is she out of the bathroom? And I'm like, we all know you
are the one that takes the longest to get ready, Sir.
Like give me a break. He was very concerned about his
hair obviously and did admit that he uses hair growth

(30:04):
products even back then, so he started this early on.
Yeah, I think this is our first time actually seeing Cody
obsessed with his hair and like,do the things and be in the
mirror and and whip his head back and forth and do the
fingers and do all this stuff. And, you know, I I can't say
that men shouldn't have nice hair, but like it just on him.

(30:25):
It's just cringe that it's this Cody's hair is like his fifth
wife. So really like this is our
introduction to his fifth wife is his hair. 5th I love that so
much because he would have sex with it if he could.
Oh yeah, yeah. So OK, that that's good.
I like it. 5th, 5th wife. They did seem youthful in all of

(30:49):
this and excited, like he's likebouncing down the hallway and
yet doing his ridiculous hair shit and whatever else.
But they were going back and forth between the interview
moments like you were talking about and then the getting ready
and then the interview moments and then the dinner that they
end up going to. And one of the things as they

(31:10):
were talking about, yeah, we're going to go to dinner and then
we're going to go to Mexico. We're going to do all of this
stuff. Cody actually said.
So in spite of the fact that we're going to dinner, we're
also going to Mexico. In spite of.
He literally said that, and I don't think that was his
intention, but he said in spite of the fact that we're going to.
And I was like, come on, dude, like at least try a little

(31:30):
harder. Like because he was excited to
go to Mexico, I think, and all of that.
But it was just in spite of the fact like, I'm taking her to
dinner and that should be enough, right?
But it's not enough. So we're going to also go to
Mexico. Cody's so generous.
That's. It was just stupid, generous.
It was just stupid, Cody. Generous Brown.
Cody, you have a lot. This is really, really good

(31:52):
stuff for Cody today. I did think he was super
annoying, but I also thought that he was cute and genuine.
Like he, you know, these are theit's like it just rips me to
both side. I'm like that stretchy person,
right? Like my arms and legs are being

(32:13):
pulled to each side because I'm like, God, sometimes I think you
weren't always as bad as you arenow.
But then I see the next sentenceand I'm like, no, I used to
were. So I know, I mean, even today
people wear those clothes. My mother has clothing like
this, of course, but it was like, so she had on leggings,

(32:36):
which I think was kind of a newer thing for 2010, 2011.
So I'm pretty trendy for her leggings with this blue flowy
dress over it that was like a mix of tie dye and like cutouts
in the fabric, right? So there was like the slits of
white and then the tie dye and then the white and then the tie
dye and it was just, it was a lot.

(32:56):
Primarily blue to be fair. Like it wasn't tie dye like a
hippie shirt it. Wasn't like a hippie shirt, but
it was that weird cut out where there was like no dyed fabric of
the white, you know, like that. Intentional.
I don't, what the fuck is that? I don't even know what that is.
I don't. And it's like cinched under the
boobs. It's cinched.
It was like. Flattering shoulders.
And like Boob, she actually has an OK body.

(33:19):
Like what are you doing? It just was the wrong choice of
the dress. And I was like, we could have
done like, just a simple black dress would have been much
better. If you ask me.
I didn't love it. And I, you know that look, I
hate to say it, but the girls that I know that wear that look
or wore that look because honestly, I haven't seen someone
in that in a hot minute, were people that I think are

(33:41):
uncomfortable with their bodies.Yeah, hiding.
Like hiding. She's certainly hiding
underneath something. I would agree with that, but she
looks. Great, but she looks good.
And so that's what's weird is it's like you're almost drawing
attention to the fact that you're doing this when in all
reality, if you were wearing something simple.
Because when they cut to them inthe restaurant, Cody's wearing a
Sport coat. And I'm not going to say he
looks good, I think. He had on a full on stripe suit,

(34:03):
tan stripe suit. He was doing the we're going to
an anniversary look and she was like, I'm going to Target.
Like it was not. I mean, maybe her burgers, I
don't know. But like, you know, like
straight up. It was not like an anniversary
dinner look. In my opinion, her look it was a
little too casual. Yeah, I didn't love it.

(34:24):
And I just think it's just funny.
It's just funny. I think it should have been
different, you know? Well.
There's definitely a connection with that with the polygamist
community in Utah. And then like some of the women
from the Midwest that are wearing that.
Same. Sorry mom, love you.
Love you mom. So they, you know, arrived to

(34:44):
dinner again. They're doing these cutbacks,
right? So they're showing them at the
restaurant and then they have Robin, Janelle and Christine
doing a little bit of an interview and two things. 1
Christine was, it was, it was actually pretty sweet.
And I think that it it speaks tohow Christine always felt like

(35:08):
she was in these relationships and how maybe she was perceived
differently. But she said that she was so
happy that Mary and Cody were doing this dinner and we're
doing this Mexico trip, right? Because she knew Mary was having
a hard time and she didn't want,she wanted them to have some

(35:36):
alone time. Alone time was key.
Alone time was key is what she said, right?
And I thought that was really sweet.
And I really do think that she was genuine and meant that.
And I think that's what her intentions were with her sister
wives. Like, I don't think she wanted
any of this fucking drama that she got.
But they're in this, this, this interview with all three of

(35:58):
them. And I think Robin's over here
then Christine and then Janelle and Robin looks like a goddamn
teenager. She has on the dark blue jeans
with like white stitching, OK, layered spaghetti strap tank
top, like you said earlier on the thing.

(36:19):
And you look at her and then youlook at Janelle and Christine
and you think that she is a teenager and they are adult
women. Like it's just we, I know
there's what, maybe a 10 year age gap or something, Not quite
even maybe, I don't know. But like it looks dramatic on

(36:40):
that couch with specifically thethree of them.
I think Mary added a different level of the age bit because
it's a little confusing with howyoung she looks.
So I don't know, I was thrown off.
Agreed, it's like I don't actually know the age difference
between them and I don't think it's significant.
However, their appearance definitely does say that.
Oh my God. Yeah, I don't know.

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It's funny because of Robin alsojust an odd face to me in the
sense of like, she doesn't look young.
I mean, I guess she does look young.
It's weird because we're contrasting her with these two
women. And I mean, none of these people
are Real Housewives. None of these people are, you

(37:21):
know, reality TV people where you're like, wow, you really put
it together. And so I feel a little bad
because it's like, I don't want to say that Janelle and
Christine look bad. I don't think they look bad, but
like, Robin doesn't look good, but yet she looks younger.
Like, I don't know, it's complicated.
I think there's so many different levels of contrast.
It's not just like the facial appearance, it's not just like

(37:44):
body shape and size. It's also clothing and action
and energy and yeah, everything.Plus, Robin's coming in as the
girl as the new wife, right? So yeah.
So everything to her is like, I'm just wondering where I'm
going to be, how many times I'm enthusiasm I'm joining or

(38:04):
whatever. And they're like, yeah, I mean,
even at one point, I don't remember how many years they say
like, you know, I was like, yeah, I've been married to him
for 16/15/17 years. 1617. 17 andthen Christine's like, I've been
married to him for 16. I mean, these are not like fresh
new relationships. And Robin has that thing going
on around her where it's like, I'm just wondering what's going
to happen. It's very young and gross.

(38:27):
Disgusting. Fuck Robin, all right?
Moving on. So then we're at dinner at
Lakai. You know, Utah's fanciest
restaurant, Lakai. So terrible.
I'm sorry Lakai, you're probablyawesome.
I was like, is it still open? We better go oh we will have to
do a a sister wives road trip a.Sister Wives road trip.

(38:50):
Yeah, well, I'm just planting the seed out there for the
universe about Sister Wives Con.I don't know if it'll have to be
broader like TLC Con or something and we'll have to deal
with other people, but we could have some sort of thing happen.
You never know. The dinner at Lakai sounds
fabulous. I'll be there for that part for
sure. I'm not guaranteeing anything
else. OK, OK, there's a few

(39:12):
restaurants and Flagstaff that we've got to go do too.
Oh yeah, it's. A cute Flagstaff is a cute town.
It's an adorable town. It absolutely is.
Yeah, for sure. So then we we cut to dinner and
marry right away. And of course this is, you know,
through editing. I don't know what course they
were on in their fancy Lakai dinner.
Oh. There were fireworks.
There were, there was, there wasa little fire thing.

(39:34):
What is that called? Sparkler.
Yeah, like one of those big ass cakes, Sparkler.
Yes, yes. And so at one point, Mary jumps
into her jealousy and wanting Cody to hear her feelings,
particularly when it comes to Robin.
I thought it was funny that she went from like, jealousy to her
insecurities, right? And then there's been a

(39:57):
disconnect. But then at the same time, it's
like, yeah, we're excited to have a fourth wife.
Like, like she's the one that brought it on.
And I, I just think it's kind offunny that that's like, she
really. Started this.
She was the one that wanted this.
So I think it's funny that at least at this point we get just
her reaction to that. And then, yeah, they keep they

(40:18):
keep kind of going back and forth about their own.
Like she's really trying to get him to say, you understand me
right? Right.
That's the vibe. She's just looking for some
understanding. And I mean, you know, she poses
the question, if I was giving the same attention to another
man, how would you feel? And Cody, of course, says it

(40:41):
sickens him, the idea of her with another man.
I think he called it like vulgarity or.
Something. Yes, let it be vulgar.
It was it was like, OK, so now we see the distance is starting
to show, right? That that like this change is
causing some trauma in some fashion.
And Cody's reaction to all of this seems to be that there's

(41:05):
there's no way for me to win in this situation.
So like a he's not backing down from his fourth wife.
That's happening. OK, That's we're committed.
This is this is happening. And so if I say you're right,
it's really weird because she's just saying validate my
feelings. Yes, validate my feelings.

(41:27):
Understand that what I'm tellingyou is how I feel.
It's not saying I don't want this fourth wife and I'm gonna
walk away from that relationship.
But he refuses. Like he will not admit it that
he could be in the wrong for this.
And she's like, acknowledge it. And he's like, I will not.
Yeah. I mean, that's basically the

(41:47):
vibe. She literally says that all she
wants is an acknowledgement of her feelings.
Yeah. To Cody.
Yeah. And he's all defensive.
Like, there are times where you seem like you don't understand
and you're impatient. And it's like, impatient.
Impatient. He's so gross.
First of all, that doesn't make any sense in the context of any
of it. And also he said that she chose

(42:12):
this. Yum Yum.
Oh my gosh. So now he's throwing her under
the bus like it's all her fault.Now this is where I think, and
in the moment, I don't know thathis intention was so, but I
think that this is where he kindof uses the none of this is my
fault with how things end up in their family because it wasn't

(42:35):
only him that wanted this fourthwife, blah, blah blah, blah,
blah, you know? Yes, I was feeling like this is
one of the first times we see Cody.
I don't like using this word cuzI feel like I don't know if I
use it correctly or I don't knowthat everyone uses it correctly.
But like gaslighting, gaslighting Light by holding her

(42:59):
initial advocacy for Robin, likeas a contradiction to her
jealousy. Like you.
This is not the first time. This is not the last time.
Excuse me, where we will hear Cody talk about an experience
and then kind of twist it into this thing where it's like just
because Mary was enthusiastic about a person or she liked her.

(43:20):
I don't even think that Mary probably saw her for the first
time, to be honest. I think it was probably a setup
from another situation where then Robin's there and Mary's
there and conveniently, you know, Mary really likes Robin
and like, isn't this great? I don't think that Cody met her
for the first time at that point.
I personally don't. Hysterical.
And I love this. And the reason I love this
conspiracy theory is that it ties into the whole.

(43:44):
They say that Mary was the one that suggested that she legally
divorced Cody so that Cody couldlegally marry Robin and legally
adopt her children, who, by the way, have a father already.

(44:05):
And so they that's, that's a whole thing.
And Christine maintains that Robin spoke about this from the
very early days in the relationship.
We might even get to see it. I didn't think about that.
We might. Even we might get to see.
It and put those dots together. But the manipulation of Mary,

(44:25):
the manipulation of Mary carriesstrong between these two, I
think. I think it ebbs and flows from
here to there. But they know when they can use
her, and they know how to use. Her and there's something and I,
I hate to say, well, like you said, conspiracy don't know
actually when Cody first met Robin.
There are stories about at a church function which is not at

(44:48):
a friend's yard like they just talked about in this episode.
And there's also conspiracies that Robin knew about this
family. It's a small community.
There's this family, they're filming a TV show.
Oh, she just conveniently drives5 hours to go to a church
function and like meet people, like repeatedly.
Like, I don't know too many single mothers that are driving
5 hours to hang out with the church group.

(45:10):
So, you know, not saying it doesn't happen ever, but it's
very convenient that Mary gets to be the person who gets
ownership of the meeting. And Mary, you wanted this, You
always wanted this. And it's not the first and it's
not the last time that Cody Brown does that.
And it is way manipulative. If someone just agrees with you
in a situation or buys into whatyou're talking about, you don't

(45:31):
get to later be like, this is your thing.
Like so manipulative. That just makes me fucking angry
about this man, is that there are moments here that we're
having that it's like, Oh my gosh, he was a good dad.
He was a good husband. He was this.
But there's also still those very clear indications that he

(45:52):
was this fucking loser the wholetime and somehow just
sleazebagged his way through allof these people.
Yeah, he is a sleazebag. It's so.
True. And and in the name of religion,
yeah. You know, like get the fuck out
of here. In the for their celestial
Kingdom. And I also feel like another

(46:17):
part of Cody's manipulation is that if Mary says something that
I feel like as a viewer, seems pretty rational and kind of
like, yeah, I mean, like, just validate my feelings.
And I'm having feelings of jealousy with you, with your
fourth wife. Can you just acknowledge it?
His response? It was a bunch of fucking word
salad. I couldn't tell you right now

(46:37):
what he said. It was a bunch of ring around
the rosy pocketful, the Posey. I'm a fucking narcissist,
manipulator, liar. There's something about that
weird, crazy shit where it's like he'll talk for half, 30
seconds or a minute and I'll be like, I have no idea what he
just said. He goes, he said he's sorry that

(46:58):
this, in this process, heartbreak happens.
He's sorry that in this process heartbreak happens.
Yeah. He's a real feeler.
Is he sorry, really? Yeah, he.
Looks super bummed and upset. Yes, for sure.
He's just being strong armed into marrying that fourth wife
because Mary just loves her. It's so manipulative, it's so

(47:20):
gross. It's so gross.
Yeah, it was. It was fucking bizarre.
It was fucking bizarre. At one point, they showed a
flashback to a family photo of all the kids, like, in pajamas.
Did you recall this? It was like, in black and white.
Was super brief. OK, but you want to talk about
homemade clothing? This looks like I made their

(47:43):
photo and right yes, I think youknow, that wouldn't go well.
So it was something well. I hear you.
And they all would be at that point in time, right?
Like, I'm not judging. But you would think, yeah, like
I grew up as a polygamist and wehomeschool and we make your own

(48:03):
clothes that you would. Maybe that's exactly what the
photo said. Yeah.
Like, that's exactly what the photo said, Yeah.
Anyway, anyway. So then we transition into home
footage, home video footage fromCody and merry weather in
Mexico. I for me, takeaways included

(48:25):
that there's like this nighttimefootage.
So it's, it's very kind of collage like, oh, we're in
Mexico and we're at the beach and we're doing this.
And then there's this nighttime footage.
It's PM. There are, it looks like there's
like a fire in front. Maybe they're sitting at a fire
when Cody suggests they do in vitro fertilization for a 20
year anniversary. And I was so distracted because

(48:47):
I'm like, they're drinking fucking margaritas.
They're drinking margaritas, they're drinking salt rimmed
drinks. Now I know you can get a
Margarita without booze, but cutto 15 years, 20 however many
years later, these people do drink.
Some of them drink sometimes. Oh yeah, Christine and Janelle
and David Woolley were just doing shots at a bar last

(49:10):
weekend. Girl, you are breaking the 5th
wall. The 4th wall, the time space
continuum. There was a rule.
No, no, it's not a rule you. Tell me they're writing.
No, there's. It's not that it's a rule, but
you know, Christine does. OK.
So Janelle does talk about how like, she's like, I don't.
Today, these people drink. Well, I don't.
Fair enough. Fair enough.

(49:30):
Yes, I know. Oh my God, I'm Cody Brown.
Who are you going to believe, Allie?
Me or you're lying ears. I I guess I was wrong, Cody.
But this is no I do. So if we're going to take a step
back, I do think that Janelle isnot really a drinker.
I. Think she very much details it
right? Like she's like, I've never even

(49:51):
taken a shot, but like she's probably had a beer.
She's. Never had a buzz.
She's Oh yeah, that's right. She's never had a buzz.
She's probably tried a drink or two of something just to try it.
Christine, I don't really know. I I would imagine she's been
drunk before. Mary definitely Mary drinks now.
I'm not going to say Mary drinkslike I drink.

(50:13):
I'm not going to say I'm not going to say Mary's drinking
every weekend. I mean, that's still a big
spectrum, but Mary also said she's never been drunk.
I don't believe that for a. Fucking second.
I do not believe it for a second.
They're on their 20th anniversary in Mexico.
They're filming themselves with salt room glasses now.

(50:36):
Can you get non alcoholic drinkswith salt room glasses?
100% But even as I noticed this,I'm looking at them and I think
they've had a drink. I think they've had at least one
drink. I did not register the the drink
piece of it, although I think your assessment is accurate.
Yeah, OK. I think that is spot on.

(50:57):
What I got out of that brief, lovely clip that we had was that
Cody did bring up IVF to marry and said he wanted to give that
to her as a gift. Yes, for their 20th anniversary.
His third gift? God, she's just so needy.
OK, he took her to dinner in NewMexico and now he's going to get

(51:19):
her in vitro. But why is this a gift from him
to her? OK?
Has she wanted this in the last 20 years and he's been unwilling
to give that for her? Is this now a change in thought
process? And like, you know what now,

(51:40):
Mary, you've really, truly earned it.
I will give you this as a present for our 20 year
anniversary. Wasn't ready to do it before was
not and maybe they have done it before I don't know.
I just there was something aboutthe fact that it was labeled as
a present for their anniversary that was off putting to me.

(52:05):
I especially not knowing what her response was going to be,
which we can discuss her response, but the fact that he
thought that was something that would be like super monumental
and wonderful for their 20th anniversary, and he didn't even

(52:25):
know the fucking answer. Like, try again.
Yeah. You know, like what?
Yeah. It also makes me wonder if it's
coming up at an anniversary, like how many times it's come up
before and for, you know, for him to say something like, I
would like for this to be an anniversary gift.
It's like, has this come up enough times before?

(52:47):
Where is it that it hasn't come up before?
Actually, I'm going to backtrack.
Mary did say something about howshe would rather it happen
naturally. So maybe.
I mean, I'm still mad at him andwe know he wasn't doing the
right thing regardless, but maybe he's wanted to try that
and is trying to persuade her again or something and she's not

(53:09):
wanted to try it that way. I don't know.
We'll Fact Check that in, the fact checks that we don't do
right, and maybe we'll have an answer for you another time.
We don't know. Monica's on that, yeah.
Go both ways, really. She's, you know, I don't know
what that means, but you know, Mary does say that she's

(53:29):
probably not. I literally, she says.
Literally. Probably not.
She doesn't see the point. Yeah, and this is her vibes
about it. Like something is telling her
not to do it, in my opinion. Like there's a reason she's
saying no. And I don't suspect that it's
that not that she doesn't want another child because she's been
emotional about it. She's talked about how she

(53:50):
struggled with that and now here's this opportunity.
So it is not 100% that she doesn't want another child.
I can't say that it's 90% that she doesn't want to reproduce
with Cody. But I'm going to say that's a
part that's a fraction of the pie because if you want a child
and you're in love with your husband and he says let's do
this, she doesn't provide any concrete reason not to.
She just says that probably not.And it's, you know, you know,

(54:13):
whatever. She doesn't think it's what she
wants to do. Yeah, it's, it's interesting.
I mean, I guess the timing is also super unique with him about
to marry Robin. So like, does she think that
this is just going to be her competing with trying to have a
child with Robin? I'm sure there's an aspect of
that that she has zero desire todo.

(54:33):
I also think that so he did seemlike he wanted another child.
She always has seemed like she wanted more children.
So maybe the disagreement was just on how they got there, but
he seemed genuine about that. I will say he he he definitely
did. However he like ended their

(54:55):
conversation. Or maybe he'd it was his own
little interview at the end and basically said he hasn't been
told no strongly enough yet thathe believes it's a no, which
can, I mean, maybe that's endearing.
Like he does think she still wants a child and maybe that's

(55:18):
his narcissism showing. And maybe that's all of these
things. Like, I don't know how to
receive that as a viewer. Yeah.
I don't know I I feel like Cody,I can't read him.
I can't gauge how sincere that is.
I think it is sincere, but I also feel like because he's such

(55:38):
a manipulator and you you bringing up a great point about
the Robin such like, let's get Mary knocked up and over here
and busy and occupied because I'm going to be doing my new
thing like because. Then they're popping up babies
together and then they have thisbond and then they have this.
Yeah, yeah. They knew what they were doing.
This is it. Leon is 14 or 15.

(56:01):
I don't remember if they put their age on the screen, but you
know, pre high school, late middle school, whatever.
And so and you know, Mary did talk about having a miscarriage
and I can't remember how long ago that was.
I feel like it might have been somewhat recent.
So I guess I don't know if I canjump to any conclusions about
Cody's motivation, but it just seems like Mary is like, I'm not

(56:24):
into it, I don't want to do it. And I don't think it's just that
she doesn't want to do it. I think it's about Cody or their
relationship or something like something else.
It's multifaceted. Well it's complicated as it all
fucking as always, and I just yeah, I don't.
Something about it felt dirty and gross, how he was even just

(56:44):
presenting it as an option because it just didn't seem like
the way a couple would have a conversation like that.
And I just didn't. Yeah, that that was the icky
part, right? Like, that was the icky part.
And so I don't know. And the ickiness part even slid
into how the fucking episode ends because realistically it's
like they're having this conversation and then the

(57:06):
episode just ends. It's like roll credits and
that's that. So it's like, OK, so they had an
uncomfortable conversation aboutthis where I see me, I still
think they had a buzz on. She's like, I don't know what
the fuck's going on. And I don't even really want to
do this. And it just, it seemed very
unnatural. And I can't even believe that
you would film that and hand that off to someone.
But who am I? Just a humble American trying to

(57:28):
make a living. As it turns out, they've really
killed this. You know they're on season 19,
Chris. I mean, right, right.
They've been doing it right since the beginning.
And we. We should stop questioning Cody
about anything. They've taken this much of our
time, they must be doing something right.

(57:51):
Yeah, the episode kind of ends abruptly after this
conversation. I don't really know if there's
any more interesting things to talk about with the.
Episode that was it, literally that was it.
It was very fast, not a lot happened.
I still I wish I could place in time.
So from the the previous episodewas when Christine gave birth to

(58:11):
truly, which we didn't get a peep of this was all just their
anniversary, this one, right? So and that I think it was like
6 weeks until maybe Mary's anniversary or something.
So maybe we've made it six weeksfrom the birth of truly and then
I think they were only a couple of weeks away from Robin's
wedding, right. So that's that's next on the

(58:33):
horizon. Yes, is that?
Is planning, yeah, the steps before the wedding and then the
wedding. I, you know, it's, I'm glad that
you were tracking that because Icouldn't place any time between
Truly's birth and what we just watched like.
It was a few weeks anyway, I'm going to say between 2:00 and
6:00. Weeks.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense. That makes sense.

(58:54):
But yeah, there wasn't. There was only just reference to
Christine had her baby and Robin's getting married.
So now I'm going on this vacation.
Like it was just kind of. Mary goes Mary goes.
Christine had truly, and it's just so great having her here
now. Yeah, it was so weird.
Yes, she was trying. It was Mary Spotlight moment.

(59:17):
Yes, by the way, just her directto camera and she nailed it.
I mean, yeah, do I, I'm not surethat I was supposed to buy it
cuz I don't know what she was selling.
She was, it was just like a status update, you know, Like it
was like, she's here, we're happy.
Awkward. Like how many awkward moments do
we have? To yes, Mary, what's funny is

(59:37):
like at the time, Mary probably spent like 20 minutes with this
kid or something like, you know,newborn with mom.
She's probably seen her a coupletimes and she's like, yeah,
we're all really excited. I have this huge family and
there's this newborn and it's like, girl, you're like in your
house being like, don't bother me, don't walk through here,
don't make a mess. I'm Mary.
Like, that's what's going. Christine's bedroom's probably
right underneath Mary's and likeshe hears the fucking baby cry

(01:00:00):
every night. No.
Guaranteed, guaranteed. Don't you think that that's how
it has to be? It has to be.
I know the house is so weird because you would think if a
polygamist built the house, which is what they say, that you
wouldn't put a primary on top ofa primary but you're.
Going to give them that much credit.
I but I can't. I cannot.

(01:00:22):
No, I cannot, especially if it meant it cost like $200 to move
some studs or a support beam. They would be like, no, you can
listen to the sex and the baby crying and all of.
That yeah, I'm sure she's hearing baby cry all the time.
Right. Oh my.
God, it's. Super pleasant, was not even
your baby and you can't even do anything about it.
Add it to the list. Add it to the list of Mary's.

(01:00:43):
Mary's. What do we call him?
Sacrifices. Oh yes, I like that that works.
Mary sacrifices. So our keep sweet moment of this
week is a It's our second reviewon Apple.
So fun to read these reviews. Thank you for leaving them.
This one is from the Juicy Lucy and the they say the sarcastic

(01:01:09):
takes are great and the banter is funny.
Feels like I'm re watching the show with friends and finding
new details. I'm hooked, so that's very nice.
I think that's exactly what we're doing.
And so it's, it's working, yeah.Thank you, Juicy Lucy.
From from Minnesota, the Juicy Lucy.

(01:01:30):
The Juicy Lucy is from Is that really a Minnesota thing?
Yeah. I think it really.
Is I thought I know. That as far something.
Yeah, I know it's famous here. I didn't know it's from
Minnesota. I think it's like a Minnesota
creation fact. Somebody, yes.
Again, we're asking you guys to keep track of a few things now,
yes. One of them is, is the Juicy

(01:01:51):
Lucy from Minnesota or is it just really good in Minnesota?
Because they're very good here. Like it's like a known thing.
From here, Homegrown here. Well, Juicy Lucy, thank you so
much for the five star review. That's amazing.
So even if we're doing a bad jobin your opinion, please give us
five stars. I mean, we really kind of do
need some validation, so. I need some reason to go on.

(01:02:14):
That was a bit desperate. Let's just dial it back one or
two notches. I'm nothing if not desperate.
So girl, you got to tell me, whois your mustard seed this
episode? I love that I never start
thinking about this until you ask.
Me right now I'm like and I. Don't know why we haven't

(01:02:36):
learned our lesson. However, I there's not a lot to
go off of this time. It's pretty narrow.
Pickens. I think I would go with Mary as
my mustard seed. Nope.
God dammit. See, this is what I do.
I take it back halfway. OK, that's OK.

(01:02:58):
Because I'm like, what am I evengiving it to her for?
I don't think she really. She just had an anniversary.
She didn't really do anything. She was sad.
Like what? OK, My mustard seed.
Yes, is Janelle. OK, yes.
And it is for her ever concern for the family finances 100 and

(01:03:21):
keeping everyone in check with the purchase of that ring.
Yes, she definitely has family finances front of mine.
She's concerned about the safety, security and long term
blah blah blah of the family. Well-being.
Well-being. Thank you.
That's what you meant. I think there was a lot of

(01:03:41):
syllables and I wasn't going to get it.
Yes, absolutely. I feel like my mustard seed is
probably Mary because I think she has put up with 20 fucking
years of being married to Cody Brown.
I know. And even in this episode, like
I'm thinking about if that was my anniversary, I would be feel

(01:04:05):
not heard and like neglected emotionally.
And then I would be actually suspicious of my spouse because
I would be like, are you trying to fuck with me here?
Like, why can't we just be honest?
Like there's a lack of honesty somewhere happening there that
you would assume you'd be able to have with your spouse.
Amen. Agreed.
Can we do a third mustard seed? OK, who's our third mustard?
Oh my gosh, I was gonna go with Leon.

(01:04:28):
OK, so I think that it's pretty cool for a teenager to want to
even start sharing stuff like the the kids really in the show
do a pretty good job of, of interacting.
I would say some of them, not all, but you know, whatever.
I also just, I just thought it was, there was some big things

(01:04:50):
and maybe not all the big words came out, but like some big
feelings starting to be thought about where their life should
take them. Yeah.
And I thought that was pretty brave to have that conversation,
even though, you know, it was about school.
But I think it was about so muchmore than school.
Yeah, even in the way they describe things.
So. Yes, I agree.

(01:05:11):
The two prong, one about the actual ambitions and the
schooling and then the other about being mature enough to do
that. You know, at one point Mary did
say I'm like, I'll be respectfulto your father because Leon was
doing the teenage thing. Yeah.
And Mary was like, we're you kind of got it.
Like when you're making an ask, you kind of got to, you know,
put on one of those spaghetti strap tops.

(01:05:34):
News flash, most teenagers don'tknow how to do that.
This is it. OK.
We both have been them. I have one upstairs right now.
OK, I'm it. They don't think about it that
way, Right? So.
But we're still going to give a honorary mustard seed to Leon.
You know, I don't know what you're going to do with that.

(01:05:55):
Our our fact. Our scorekeepers.
Oh, yeah. So now, OK, just in case you're
signing up for those roles. Yes, unofficial, unofficial
roles. So yes, we have fact checkers
now. We desperately we desperately,
seeking fact checkers. Please be nice in the comments,
but you can correct us but be nice about it we.
Would like we would like some kindness, Yeah, but it's OK.

(01:06:19):
Do what you have to do. And then scorekeeper for the
mustard seed and shit stain. Yes, because we aren't going to
do that. No.
And but we kind of want to know.Right.
It would be fun to see. It'd be fun to see.
Shit stain. Shit stain.
OK. Do you have one ready?

(01:06:39):
Because you can take it if you. Want my my shit stain is Yeah,
my shit stain's definitely Cody.The manipulation, the like
cracks that show, but behind hislike pearly white teeth and his
white man with his hair in his car and his whatever.
It's very glossy, manufactured from an outside.

(01:07:00):
He's definitely, oh, please don't hate me salespeople.
But it's very salesman. It's very like, Oh my God, I'm
here to give you the time of your life.
And then when you start to see what's really going on, it's
like, Oh my God. And to do that with your own
family member, your own spouse for 20 years.
I just got to give him the shit stain this episode.
I can't even give it to Robin. I got to give it to Cody.
Well, I hear you and thank you for insulting my profession and

(01:07:23):
it's OK, I'll take it. I'll take it.
But yeah, going to sit there fora second.
So my shit stain, I think it obviously has to be Cody.
I don't think there's anybody else that would be worthy of a
shit stain moment in this episode.
I don't always want to give it to Cody.

(01:07:46):
I am happy to spread that shit around you, but I I just think
he's the only one deserving and you're you're accurate.
A. 100% yeah, I agree. But Cody, if you know you could
get somebody else to fuck up as much as you did, you know,
we'll, we'll give them their place in time.
Well, this is there will be times when other people will be

(01:08:08):
the shit stains and we'll need someone else to track that for
us, please. Oh, and there will be more drama
when that happens, so it'll be good.
Yes, yes, definitely, definitely.
Wonder if we have any parting words.
This is funny, someone said. Do we have any parting words?
Be better than Cody Brown, ladies and gentlemen, Be better
than Cody Brown. Be better than Cody Brown 100%

(01:08:29):
and if you're a salesperson, definitely be better than Cody
Brown. I am.
Thank you. Amen.
All right. Take care, everybody.
Bye.

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