Sister Wives S1 E6 - A Fourth Wife to Be - My Sister Wives Podcast

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Hello world, welcome to My Sister Wives Podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Allie, we're long time
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Goodbye. You.

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Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim, sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years and the
sacrifices that I made to love you.

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Oh, welcome back, everyone. Welcome back, Ali.
You know, so happy to be back. Yes, it's like, I haven't seen
you in so long. And we've returned to discuss
Season 1, episode 6 of Sister Wives, a fourth wife to be.
Oh, what a blessing. Definitely a blessing.

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We're right off the bat. It's crazy to me.
I feel like I've overlooked thatthese episodes after the first
one were probably only half hourepisodes because what we just
watched was only 22 minutes. And I guess I was like going,
oh, there's not a lot going on. But really, if this first
season, the episodes are only half hour after the pilot, then

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that also makes sense that it seems like maybe there's not a
whole lot happening in every episode.
There's only 22 minutes of content.
I'll bring up something from Becoming Sister Wives, the book
that you have not read, that I have read that does pertain to
this specific episode. But there is another bullet
point that I wanted to pull out at the beginning where Robyn is

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talking about her and Brianna, her daughter, who is her second
daughter. And she says, quote, I struggle
to have an appetite UN quote. And she claims that her and
Brianna both have are both hypoglycemic so they always need
emergency snacks around. So, quote, we can survive UN

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quote if going through blood sugar crash.
Now the reason. Why this happened in this
episode that we. Just watched no no.
No, Oh my God. Thank goodness.
OK, no. This.
Is a random thing from the book.Oh gosh, OK.
I was like, I have lost it because I totally doomed all of
that out. Amen.
I apologize. That did not happen in this
episode. I just think it's a funny thing

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to point out that I don't think we ever hear about this in the
entire show. I don't recall this ever being a
thing. And it's just interesting that
she points out that, you know, the whole like, we can survive
if going through blood sugar crash.
Like survive. Wow.
OK, I don't know, maybe that will just get cut.

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It's interesting for sure. I don't recall anything about
that happening. Yeah.
Ever. It just reminds me that like,
Robyn might be the kind of person who is hypoglycemic and
she needs snacks in case you hear blood pressure crashes and
she might die. And it's like, is this real?
Now that that does sound. I'm like, I don't think this is
actually real, but you know, I don't want to.

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There's probably some term about, you know, judging people
for their medical things that are fake or something.
I don't. Like we're not attacking you if
you have that, you guys OK? Like we believe you if that
exists for you, yes, We are not minimizing any illness that may
actually exist for you in real life today or in the past or
whatever. I don't know if it's hereditary,
forever, goes away, comes back, whatever.

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We are fine. Yes, with everyone else.
But Robyn is. Probably making her fucking
dramatics. And Ellie had to say that
because the legal department made her so that probably makes
sense. All right.
So, you know, this episode we jump into planning, obviously a
fourth wife to be. There's planning about the
wedding. That's what's going on.

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And the first thing that stood out to me is Robyn in an
interview referencing that she'shad a long courtship and a long
engagement. And it's just been so long.
And I'm wondering how long that really is.
I suspect that starting to film the show, it probably did get
dragged on longer than they would hope.
But I don't think they've been courting for like a year.

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I don't think they've been engaged for a year.
I think she wants it to be faster.
And it's like, oh, we started filming and then things dragged
on. That's what I think.
I agree with you and I think really so when she said that
about the long courtship and thelong like she was very dramatic
because she has of course, long courtship, long engagement.
And then she has this like, likestupid laugh.

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Like it was a ridiculous laugh that followed that.
And it was just like, OK. And it made me think of some of
the other things you're implyingabout the engagement time frame
and what it actually was, especially when we think of
production and when they got theshow and how they filmed the
show and the timing that doesn'tadd up and all of these things.
I think that there are some unspoken things.

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So they go into this like, tirade about the timing and if
Robyn is due the same amount of time as the wives when she's
just a Beyoncé, all this whatever, we'll discuss.
But like, I think there's something unspoken behind all of
the stuff that is actually beingsaid on camera.
And I think it's because they can't see it because they

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falsified the timeline in some fashion to make this part of
what they're filming today. Right?
So like, I don't know, there's aweird aspect to it.
There's something behind the scenes that is like, we do not
have the full story, all four ofthem, right?
So all four women are on the couch in an interview.
And this is all leading up to like the excitement of the

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wedding or whatever. And a couple of the words that
they use, like everything is shifted or there are there are
tensions around or what have you.
So everybody's starting to acknowledge their feelings about
all of this, right? And it was I, I don't want to
say that they like elaborated ona ton of what they said, but a

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lot was said. Would you agree?
Christine talks about how she thinks a fiance does not deserve
to get equal time. Or at the same time.
As wives, Janelle thought that equal time does make sense
because in their religion and intheir traditions, if you are a
fiance, then that makes sense. And I think, you know, on a, you

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know, if you were, Janelle's definitely like the most
rational in a certain sense, where it's like that does make
sense. Obviously, if you're engaged to
someone, it's not like you can'tspend any time with your fiance.
Meri is totally Switzerland. She's like, oh, you do need time
with Kody, but it still does feel weird and strange.
And it's like, OK, so that was adding nothing.

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And I do suspect that production's timeline has made
it more drawn out or something like that.
I'm sure, I'm sure, and I, I guess I think what I gathered
the most after all of them were sitting there having these back
and forths and their little tidbits was that Robyn is
already feeling entitled to her own time.

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Like she is already saying that she feels that she deserves this
much time because she just movedher kids somewhere new.
She's done all of this. The kids really needed Kody
around they whatever. And so she's just, she's, she's
playing dumb Bambi about it, butshe's saying pretty intentional

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things. Yeah, her whole like, I've made
big moves for this and everyone's life is in upheaval.
And it's like, right. But when she says even big
moves, she's like moved homes, moved jobs, moved this.
And I'm like once again going like, what job is it that you
did? What did job did you have?
What job do you have now that's never even talked about, never
discussed. It's not even like she can't
tell us the specific position because she's filming a show and

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she does this line of work. There's nothing.
But she's changed jobs. She's had to make a lot of.
I'm just like, stop talking about work, stop talking about
jobs. You don't have a job and you
don't work. Do you know another thing that I
really picked out about her in this episode?
And I think in some of the otherones, she just seemed, you know,

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young and giddy and whatever andblah she seemed.
This might be mean, but like a little uneducated.
Like I think that she puts on a front of some things sometimes
and pretends like she knows a lot more than what she does.
And there were moments just withit.

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It was almost like you. And it could be, it could be
nerves, it could be whatever, I have no idea.
But it just seemed like she was trying to figure out how to say
things the right way. And like she even said at one
point, and I don't remember if this was at the beginning or
later on in the episode, but shewas like, what?
Yeah. Did you hear that?
Like, you know. What?
Yes. And I was like, yeah, no, yeah,

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no. Like, I just, I don't know that
she has a lot to stand on as faras like knowledge and skills and
whatever else. And so, I mean, cut to your
whole job explanation, all the things, it's starting to show
more and more that all she has is her relationship with Kody
Brown. Absolutely.
She's taking some responsibility, I guess, for

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raising her children, but that'sprobably it.
And I love that you're bringing this up because it does become
more dramatic as time goes on. The obviousness of her lack of
intellect or anything above kindof common sense and talking
about emotion. So she might be able to talk

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about emotion and she might be able to like, ask people to
share. But when it comes down to like,
what do you have? What do you do?
What do you know, any of that? Like it doesn't exist.
I think she can talk about her own feelings and emotions.
I don't think she understands other people's feelings and
emotions. So when she's talking in these
episodes about wanting to be sensitive to other people's

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emotions, do you think that thatmeans?
What does that mean if she doesn't understand their
emotions? Is it I get act?
I want to say it's an act. I think that's giving her
probably a lot more credit than she's due at this point.
I, I think that she learns how to manipulate this better as
time goes on. I don't know that that's exactly
what she's doing right now. I think she's playing stupid

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with it all. But I think she says that she
cares about other people and that she is worried about their,
you know, opinions or how thingsare going for them.
But I don't think that's reality.
Like I, I think their words, butit's not going to change how she
behaves. It's literally not like if you

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let's let's go back and really think about what we can think of
day one through what we know now.
Has there been anything that hasmade Robyn change who Robyn is
to accommodate anyone else in the family ever?
And I I could not give you an example of that at this point.
The only examples that I can think of are ones that paint her

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in a very good light and they'relike, I don't know if they're
performative or not, but you know, even when she's talking
about other people's things, their, their feelings, their
emotions, it tends to end up being where she's like, I'm
trying to manage this, like I'm trying to make sure everything
else is OK. It's.
My job it's. My job.

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Have anything to do with the other person's feelings?
It's my job to make sure everyone else is blah, blah,
blah, blah. And it's like, OK, well, in in
that instance, she was talking about her wedding, so some
ownership makes sense. But really it was like, your
emotions are somehow my thing. And it's like, OK, one funny
note is that Meri's hair was straight in one of the couch
sessions. Yes, it was.

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It was straight. And I was like, that is some
bone straight hair from Meri. She's like, I found my
straightener and I wasn't mad atit.
I wasn't mad at it. Now she looked great.
I mean, they all look, they all look fine.
Oh girl, you know, you're more generous than I am on that.
But you know, it was nice to seeher with a different look.

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Meri's hair. Meri's hair is going to be a
thing from now until eternity. Yeah, she her hair.
I don't know what. She's very into experimenting,
but only with her hair. She doesn't get weird.
More to come. Yes, to come.
Anyhow, I feel like someone saysat one point that it's five
weeks until the wedding. I heard that right.

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Right. Yep, Yep.
And so they're all getting readyto go do these different
activities together to plan for Robyn's wedding.
Yes. And Robyn was so concerned about
making sure that everyone else was happy for her wedding.
Yeah, so selfless. Whatever cut to she didn't
actually give a fuck about any of them.
But I thought it was funny because there was a picture of

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or not picture, but a shot of Christine giving truly like a
kiss like little little baby infant truly.
So she was two weeks old. I didn't.
So we were trying to get the timeline together in the last
episode. 2 weeks. It was two weeks from this
anyway, so I don't know exactly what that was for Meri's
anniversary, but this is a little baby truly.

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And Christine is like kissing her infant to go floral shopping
with Robyn and the other women. And I'm like no fucking way in
hell if I had a two week old baby at home, am I leaving that
house to go help my husband's other wife pick out her flowers?
Like absolutely fucking no way. Like what?

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Absolutely not. Yeah, I mean.
I am not leaving the house like two weeks after birthing a
child. You are still all sorts of
fucked up. Like you are not feeling
comfortable in your body. Nothing is functioning normally.
Your boobs are leaking everywhere, not to mention other
places. Like it is not pretty.
And so like the fact that this is something that she is out

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doing, I'm like, OK. Wow.
Well, that totally makes sense. The other thing with the two
weeks, as you were pointing out,as well as this kind of
questions that we've been havingabout production and timeline
and how it's like, so did Meri go to Mexico before this?
Because in my mind, I'm thinkingmaybe Meri and Kody went to

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Mexico after the wedding. Maybe it was after they did this
planning because was it 2 weeks after Truly was born?
I feel like in the last episode they made it seem like it was
longer than two weeks when they went to Mexico, you know?
That you say that I also confused, yeah.
For sure. And I mean, we have to be
realistic about reality shows. They film things, they show

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things out of order. But this show, they're very
like, it's like they're telling this story and it's supposed to
be very linear. And then we're like, where are
we? What time is it?
What day is it? Where are we?
Like what's going on? It's weird.
Yeah, just the inconsistencies from the beginning make you
question it. I think a lot of other shows do
a much better job of dropping inthings of interest that maybe

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you can playoff has happened at that time.
They don't even fucking. They don't even do that.
No, they're like, you people areidiots and we're just going to
spoon feed you this nonsense. And it's like, well, OK, maybe I
am an idiot, but also I'm like, still scratching my head.
Oh. My.
God. So with this five weeks of the
wedding, the four big items thatthey were going to go do, the
four activities that the wives were going to do is look for a

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dress, look for a cake, look fora location, and look for
flowers. That's what they kind of talked
about in this brief sumMeri before they went into the actual
activities. So our first activity was that
the four wives go shopping for flowers.
So very funny because as we've now seen several times
throughout and stuff that again didn't maybe catch my eye the

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first time, they're finding themselves have to having to
explain who. So Robyn goes in and yes, you're
getting married and you're the bride and you need flowers and
she just goes and yes, I need flowers for them too.
And oh, are they bridesmaids? No, they're the advisors or like
whatever, like it's, it's awkward, but they try to play it

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off the best they can or whatever, you know, so she calls
them the advisor. So they all seem to have these
different terms that they used, you know, for each other in
these public circumstances, which I thought was interesting.
So Christine's holding like this.
So they're in the flower shop. They're they're playing off this
advisor role. They're doing all of this and

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Robyn makes some comment about how Christine just had a baby
and she whips out her flip phoneand opens it up and shows.
And you remember how the flip phone photos looked like.
What do you think? This photo of this baby.
Looks like Oh my God the size ofa poster.
Shame, literally. And like you can't even tell.
It's all a blur. It's terrible.
But so she whips out her flip phone, Motorola Razr and shows

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that. And then they continue on
picking out these bouquets, which was, to me, a very unique
experience. Definitely not the What did you
feel about watching them talk about the different styles and
the things they were going to do?
Yeah. Well, first I'm going to say

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hello, Moto. Yeah.
Because whenever I hear Motorola, I think of those
campaigns. Oh my God.
I think when they were talking about the advisory bit about
being advisors, I was like thinking about how they have
these different terms and they're in these situations and
they're. It's like they go back and forth
on their narrative of is it complicated to tell people?

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Do they just get it? Do they care?
Do they not care? It seems like they kind of are
wishy washy about it. Like, Oh well, everyone cares
and we're always trying to figure it out.
And then it's like, oh, no one really seems to care.
And it's like, OK, well. I guess it really was talking
out of both sides of their mouthat one point and like that
nobody seemed to be on the same page about how they handle that.
Yes, I thought was interesting. Not only are they not on the

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same page in the situations, butthen when describing the
situations, they're not even on the.
Same like they're living different lives.
And I think I as a person, I guess I'm not living as a
closeted sister wife, but I'm going like, why are we not just
saying bridesmaids in that situation?
You've got 4 or, excuse me, three other women with you.
Instead of being like, oh, they're the advisers.

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Well, OK, if they're going for the same colors or the same,
there's some sort of loop that'scoming and then just say, yeah,
they're the bridesmaids. I mean, there's a florist.
What does it matter? Like, I just feel like it's a
little maybe. OK, well, maybe Rama did have
bridesmaids in her wedding. We don't.
I don't think that's traditionalin a ceremony for the AUB.
And we never hear about it. But I kind of don't know why it

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isn't just a default to say, yeah, these are the bridesmaids
and say, like to pick out their own flowers.
Now I hear you on. However, I do think
distinguishing it differently inthe mode of wedding planning for
both floral and then when they get to the dresses piece later
on, they make some similar like distinctions.

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And I think that you do kind of have to explain to bridal
professionals that you're working with that it is a
different situation because they're just going to show you
the same shit they would show any family that would be the
same bouquet for every bridesmaid or the same dress for
every bridesmaid or whatever andthat.

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And that really wasn't what theywere looking for.
They weren't looking for it for them to be.
A bridesmaid in the wedding yeah, they are the other brides
in the wedding. So while they can't say what
they're trying to say, I do think they did need to make that
distinction. I just also thought it was
awkward, like having planned hundreds of weddings myself, I,

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if I was that person without knowing the background, like I'd
be continuing to ask more questions and you it's clear
that some of them do and then they get into it a little bit
more, but they're cautious unless other people show the
right interest in the right way,I think.
It's so Robyn actually encouraged them all to pick
their own flowers. Like when they were talking

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about it, it did make, you know,we don't like giving credit to
Robyn, but she was leaning into that.
Like she was like, I think it's important that you guys.
And when they were telling theirstories about what they liked,
she was smart. She was interested in what they
were saying or acting interested, I don't know.
But she was giving them their flowers, let's say about their
flowers. And I thought that was actually

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cute. When she first started to say,
yeah, I think it's great. Everybody can have their own
flowers. Everybody could do it different.
Like I totally understood Christine's reasoning of
wanting. She said she wanted like a
corsage or something because she's building a baby.
And then they actually saw some more unique stuff that seemed
pretty cool to be honest. And I was like, okay, cool.
I love that Robyn did seem genuine about it at the

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beginning, but I was just waiting for the shoe to drop.
I was waiting for her to make a comment about how I, you know, I
did want them to have some freedom, but I guess I wasn't
thinking it would be blah, blah,blah.
But it didn't happen. It didn't happen.
But I was doubting her generosity or like genuineness,
both generosity and genuineness with what she was offering up

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because I wasn't just based on some other things that we've
seen, I wasn't 100% sold that that was truly what she wanted
to do. Yeah, and for some reason but.
In the moment, it seemed that way.
I did. I kind of bought into some
authenticity. The other thing that I just
remembering right now is when Janelle was talking about what

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kind of flowers she liked or what she was interested in.
I couldn't tell you what that is.
I couldn't tell you what it looks like.
I don't know if it's cute. So I don't know if that's cute
or ugly or what. Very nice, elegant, simple.
And that's great. So that makes.
What's the phrase now? Understated.
Demure. Demure.
Mindful, mindful and demure. Girls.

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She was right though, that is, Go ahead.
Anyway, just laughing because I'm like, oh are you young now?
You're do it to demure. Listen, I know what the kids are
saying, Yeah. OK, hip to the streets.
That's right. I'm well, I'm glad to hear that
they weren't hideous because thefirst thing I thought, like not
knowing what the flowers actually look like, I was like,
oh God, is Janelle being, you know, like pussy Willow?

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I would like some pussy willows like Oh my God Janelle.
You would totally know it if yousaw them.
It's like individual stem, like long sleek stem, sleek little
flower at the top. Like people if they have canna
lilies, they probably have like 4 or five of them wrapped
together just in A1 bow of just simple flowers.
Like that's it. It's just a very simple.

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Like it wasn't like she was likeasking for camouflage to wear
the. Women.
Because, you know, I mean with Janelle, I'm like, okay, okay
for. Sure, appropriate.
That was my first. That was my only thought with
the Janelle. Thing was I was like oh girl,
don't be picking up the ugliest flowers in the history of
humankind. Like Oh my God, please.

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No, no, she did good. She did good.
I my only afterthought as they were getting ready to leave the
flower shop and I don't know if there are any other moments you
wanted to touch on, but they were all getting up to leave and
while they all seemed like happyand it had gone well and it was
fine. Robyn seems so out of place with

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the other three of them. Like they don't seem like
friendly like like it. It almost seems as if they're 4
strangers together doing this with like pleasantries at
moments. Like it's interesting.
And I just felt like she did nothave a place there at all.

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Right now that you're saying that, it has a touch of me to
like when people do get married and when family members are
involved that you're not close with and people are making
decisions or putting in their two cents and like whatever.
And you're like obligated to lean into whatever this is.
And it's like, I don't know anything.
Like, why are you like, I don't know.
It seems like strangers appeasing each other.
Yeah, it did. It did.

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Which doesn't seem like what it should be at this point.
She's. She's joining the family and
it's been a really long courtingand it's been a really long
engagement. So of course they don't.
Of course they don't know anything about each other and
don't even know how to sit in the same room.
She's still finding her place. Fucking.

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So the. So after we're looking at
flowers, we move on to cake testing.
Cake tasting. Okay, you should really be
leading this part actually, because I don't even have the
vernacular cake testing. So I'm gonna say they actually
said cake testing. Well, thank God they but it is
truly a cake tasting. So you were right to hesitate to

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not know. But they did say cake testing
because that's what I wrote down.
Yeah. That's what I wrote down to cake
testing. And I'm like, why would you ever
do that, you idiot? And it's like, oh, they said
that. That makes sense.
And Kody came. How exciting.
Yeah, Kody's there. He's wearing his khakis and his
business casual. He's has all those meetings,
selling what to no one? No one knows.

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But here he is for the cake. Testing the cake?
Yeah, testing, right? Is it kick testing?
It's yeah, they didn't do it right at all.
Then they, they do the, they, they sample some things and then
they're going to do voting for their favourites.
They're going to do eyes closed voting where they're sitting
around the table and going to raise hands.
You know, I don't know, it seemed the the problem with Kody

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is that even in a situation likethat, like he's talking, he's
gesturing, he's moving all around, he's being all dramatic.
So it's like. Center of attention literally
had to be the center of attention.
Even when we're quiet, eyes closed, gonna vote, he can't
control himself. He literally cannot.
And that does come up when discussing in a second about the

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outcome of this vote, But I'm like, you're just watching it
going like, dude, why can't you just sit there and shut the fuck
up and raise your hand for the things you like?
Like he cannot control himself. It was so crazy.
I'd loved this moment when and surely he had a plate of cake in
front of him, but he must have eaten all of his favorite kind

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and then he went for Christine'splate.
Yeah, a chocolate on her plate. And she was like what the fuck
you are? Yeah, she literally like stabbed
down with her fork. Yes, so funny.
Yeah, she was like, absolutely fucking not.
No, I am here at a cake tasting for your other wife #4 I get my
own fucking cake and get out of here.
Like no. And then he said something to

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like Meri, like, are you gonna be the nice wife that gives
gives me? And then Meri cut to Meri
starting to fight in a couple ofminutes like.
Colossal Meri, but I also when they're doing this blind taste
test or blind voting not. Blind don't.
Do we have to talk about it? Really.
Do we have to talk? About it the dance Why are we

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the dance we have to talk about the we don't need to go into any
excruciating details, but this is 1.
I think this is our first in depth, our first intimate
experience with Kody dancing. You don't want to describe what
you saw. Would you like, he's still like
grabbing a victim of reaction now.

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I mean. Arms crossed about her body like
I am just. Like you are.
Literally not like I'm hugging myself because it was so
uncomfortable. Ali's rocking herself in the
corner, right? Now it was gross is all I can
say. Like cringe times 1000.
I mean, maybe. He does do this thing with his

(28:19):
arms where he's like swinging side to side and then the hips
kind of go up and down from sideto side with each swing.
But it also has this vibe of uncoordinated while also being
coordinated. And he just looks like a fool
because the enthusiasm level is out of control.
It's like he's like I'm sugar high.
He does. He does.

(28:40):
Blame the sugar. The sugar high.
Gross. It's it's like you gave a 10
year old half a sheet of fuckingcake.
Like he literally is insane and it looks terrible.
And it is like, if we were sitting there, it'd be that
total thing where you put your like hand over your like.
Forehead, certainly like it was.Can't look.

(29:03):
Can't look. Awful.
And so here's what I want to know.
This was on video, right? Like this was recorded literally
on national television. OK, Why did not one of these
four women watch that moment andsay get me the fuck out of here?

(29:31):
Why wasn't that enough? Girl, you can't ask questions
that can't be answered. But don't you?
I mean, come on. They have a celestial Kingdom to
get. Into that is the ick.
Like the ickiest of ickiest icks.
Yeah, it was big old douche canoe.

(29:51):
It was not cute. It was not cute.
It was super weird. And you know how sometimes
people can do things that are a little weird and a little
strange and a little whatever, and then there's something
charming about it or something. Whatever.
It was not that. It was not that.
Look, we know we can all be nerds and losers and
embarrassing and whatever else. This was just a level higher

(30:16):
than that, Yeah. He looks like a buffoon.
He looks like an idiot, but I don't think that bothers him
because like you said, as long as he's the center of attention,
it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if he looks like
an idiot as long as the eyes areon him.
The the take away that I got from this thing, well, this
interaction, the cake testing and the the blind voting, was

(30:41):
that I felt like there was like a politics thing to it.
They talk about being a democracy with their choices,
but it felt like even when they were sitting at the table, it
was political. It was almost, it was like a
bargaining and like an explanation and a like this and
a validation and a whatnot. And it's like, can't I, I don't
want to downplay, but it's like,can't you just say your favorite
cakes or you're not favorite cakes?

(31:02):
Like why does this have to be contentious?
And I, I know that you were saying like with Christine
sitting there for the cake for the 4th wife and it's not even
your wedding, but also I'm like,can't you guys kind of just be a
little like, Hey, I like these ones and I don't like these
ones. I didn't really.
It felt like it felt unnecessarily political and
unnecessarily weird. I don't know.
Well, I'm going to give you a couple of tidbits.

(31:24):
One, when you invite people to things like your cake tasting,
you are in theory asking them for their opinions.
So it is just so so things like that amongst the wedding
planning sphere, you are going to get opinions from people
whether you want them or not. They kind of are there for that.

(31:47):
That's why you're that's literally why they're there.
Literally why they're there. However, what is different in
the political aspect, as you say, and democracy?
Well, it's a fun term nowadays, but I think that Meri was so
against this almond cake. Yeah, like she fucking hated

(32:10):
this almond cake and then was somad that Kody voted with Robyn
for this almond cake. Of course you voted for what
Kody wanted you to vote for, because of course you did.
Because he said he wanted you tovote for it, so you did instead.
You could have just voted for what you wanted, but no, you
voted for. It's not your wedding, Meri.
It's not your fucking wedding. Why are you so pissed about this

(32:30):
fucking Alvin cake? And she was.
And she made it uncomfortable. Like it got uncomfortable.
Yeah, I agree. That's what I kind of don't wrap
my mind around is that it's like, yes it is your husband and
yes he is marrying someone, but it isn't your wedding.
You might have been short. The ironic part about Meri
complaining is that Meri had a full on fucking wedding.

(32:50):
She had a legit wedding. The other.
One that I was going to say we get, we get to do that next.
Oh, excellent. She's the only one.
She's the only one that. Had a legit wedding.
So like you're the only one thatactually had a real wedding.
Maybe just calm your fucking tits girl.
Like she gets upset too easily. And it wasn't about what she
wanted most in the cake. Like her opinion is valid as if

(33:12):
you want to Give your opinion, but you don't get to choose
their wedding cake. So shut the fuck up right away.
Come on. So I thought this was
hysterical. So they were talking about how
it was 200 people and then I think they started going looking
at like venues and stuff, right?For the reception.
For the reception and there was a little bit of like tidbits

(33:36):
about places they had looked andwhatnot.
Janelle suffers up in one of herspot.
I was going to say confessionals, but we'll give
her a spotlight too. Janelle hates receptions.
Love it. Janelle hates receptions.
Love it. I don't like them.
I don't want a reception. It's uncomfortable.
You sit there, they hand you food.

(33:57):
You see people, you want to leave.
Janelle wants to be working instead of being at a wedding
reception. OK.
Even if she's not working, she wants to be sitting on the
couch, she wants to be sitting in a tub, she wants to be
reading, but she does not want to be doing that activity.
Even if it's the coolest reception you've ever been to in
your life, she would probably not like.
It no, and I that's what I thinkis so funny about the fact that

(34:18):
they have all of these people involved in this aspect of the
wedding planning Ness is that like they know there's nothing
that's going to please Janelle, right, But Robyn's still trying
to Robyn goes, I know Janelle and it's like, OK, well, and now
here you are catering your wedding planning to like that's

(34:38):
why you don't involve people in these processes that have no
desire to be involved in these processes or will not like any
outcome of it. Just keep them aside.
They don't do that. They have them there.
Robyn then goes. We found something Janelle
likes. Yes, yes, because it was

(34:59):
outside. It was outdoors and I mean, that
was not bad. I mean, that was not bad.
I did not. I actually hearted that a
little. Bit again, Robyn seemed like she
was having the right intentions in the moment.
Do I believe it in long term? I don't know.
But she did seem like Janelle liking it meant something.

(35:19):
But also like, if I was planningmy wedding and that was
something I had to keep in mind,was the three other wives in
their opinions of it like nightmare?
Absolutely fucking not, you know, so I will.
I still don't like Robyn, but I wouldn't want to be in her shoes
in this situation either. Well, I think that one is a

(35:40):
happy coincidence. I think Bob Ross says that when
he's painting that you have a happy accident.
He says happy accident. Yeah, I know, happy accident.
But you know, it was it was a happy whatever it was that Robyn
liked that location because it was outdoors.
And to be fair, the location didlook, it looked like a nice

(36:01):
place, like there was like covered bridges and rocks and
water features. So like, cool, it's a probably a
nice place to have an outdoor thing.
And Janelle did like it. And so I think it was a happy
accident. It was a happy accident.
This was when they they started talking shortly after that about
their own receptions. Yes, yeah.

(36:22):
And Christine was. Christine.
Poor Christine. We had a small family dinner and
Janelle, we didn't have a reception.
Yeah, like they were just like, cut and dried.
That didn't happen for me. Yes, Christine has.
She has a small ceremony and an even smaller reception because
that's just what you do as a respectful, you know, plural
wife. And and this Christine's really

(36:45):
in it in the AUB, right, like with her family being royalty,
quote UN quote in the religion. She's like following doctrine to
AT. So it's not even really about
her like she's like, this is howit goes.
So her wedding could have been she wore the ugliest dress on
the planet. God that it was literally like
satin off the roll sold up the sides like that's what it was.

(37:07):
Yeah, like it would look, I don't know if it would look
better on a table, but like it just oh God, I don't know.
It was atrocious. Steroids.
Her wedding did not go very well.
Her reception was basically nothing.
Janelle talking about how they didn't have a reception because
of her family. Another thing from Becoming
sister wives, the book that Janelle divulges.

(37:30):
So she's engaged to Kody and she's going to get married to
him. And she's telling the family a
little while later, the family had an intervention with her.
They sat her down being like, donot marry this man, do not get
into this religion because her background there, her family's
not from that religion. Her mom, and this is something
we don't know yet in the show, but her mom is married to Kody's

(37:51):
dad. Her mother married Kody's dad.
And her introduction into the religion is basically through
that relationship. She might have known the family
before her mom married Kody's dad, don't really know.
But her mom found religion afterin a second chapter, third

(38:12):
chapter in life. So Janelle was not raised in the
religion. Her mom finds Kody's dad and
marries him. Janelle later marries Kody.
This is convoluted. We'll get into it a little more
detail later, but Janelle's family literally had an
intervention, like sat her down in the living room and was like,
we're not going to support you in this.
You need to not be part of this cult, this religion.

(38:35):
These people are not right. What you're doing is not right.
And she didn't speak to a lot ofher family for many years after
that. Actually, it was a big divide in
their family. Oh my gosh, that just makes me
wonder what it's like now. And like a lot of time.
Crow to everybody and been like and you can't even say E Crow
like you just are living your own experience.
So I can't, I mean whatever, no shade, Janelle, no shade like

(39:00):
you're doing you, but a. Lot of things have happened
since then, yeah. Kody's dad has passed away,
Janelle's mom has passed away. Janelle is no longer.
A lot of things have happened, so they don't really get into
details about that on this show,and this is what we're going to
talk about in future episodes when they allude to things, when
Janelle talks about certain things about her past with Kody

(39:23):
and Meri, it is convoluted. Yeah.
Janelle was married before. That's right.
To Meri's brother Janelle's mother after the death of her
father. I'm not sure.
Death or divorce? Janelle's mother married Kody's

(39:44):
dad before they were together. Like super culty incestuous shit
for sure. It definitely.
What's funny is that yes, while technically incestuous, no.
Because, I mean, but more incestuous than your average
every day of marriage. Right, like my dad is not my
mom's whatever. Like I like yes, yeah, 100.

(40:07):
It's just interesting that when she talks about her wedding and
this is something to keep track of.
I think I'm, I'm keeping track of in this rewatch is keeping
track of Janelle's versions of stories because she tells very
little about her stories. And I think the reason she does
is because there is far more to the story.
So while she's oh, you know, we didn't really have a ceremony

(40:27):
and we didn't really have a whatever, It's like because your
family would not come, none of them.
They disowned you as a family member.
They had an intervention. She does keep everything fairly
short and sweet. Not a lot of even today, not a
lot of elaboration, not a lot ofsensationalizing anything at

(40:47):
all. Just very ABCDXYZ.
OK, I know. I know this is like Janelle's.
She's a mystery wrapped in enigma and cash or.
What? Oh my God.
Sorry, I need to not be bringingErica Jane into this.
So they were at the venue tours and they were talking about the

(41:10):
menu or something with this one,probably the salesperson.
Well, they were sitting at the big round.
Table that round table, yes. And so they were all sitting
there and I think throughout thekind of conversation or
whatever, it became clear that the person at the venue
understood their relationship anyway, right.
Like they were they were kind ofjoking around about it like, Oh

(41:31):
yeah, they knew that we were a polygamist or whatever, blah,
blah, blah. But like the person came up with
like 2 fold it just two folders and handed them and is like, is
it OK for you guys to share these two, you know amongst the
five of them? And I don't, I think it was,
Meri said. Like, you have no idea how much
we share. Yeah, like again, Cran.

(41:53):
Yeah, like you're. And she doesn't get weird.
That's we don't get weird Meri. You're not supposed to get
weird, Meri, and you fucking gotweird.
Don't get. Weird.
Because if you want to be weird and sexy and cool, then you need
to be weird and sexy and cool. And you guys are not that.
So you can't say both. You need to pick one or the

(42:13):
other. We don't get weird, Meri.
But like I'm just so confused. That is hysterical.
She does. She does love to do the tongue
in cheek, you know, get a littlereaction.
But then we'll be like, Can you believe it?
And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, you did kind of, you know,
whenever. Oh my God.
But then right after that, so they're in on the couch and
they're talking, all five of them together, and they're

(42:35):
laughing about that joke like, you know, you have no idea how
much we share. All the ladies are laughing
about it. And then Robyn said something
about how Kody could just be their guy or their gay friend.
Yes. Not their husband, but their gay
friend. And I was like, yeah, first of
all, he got this, like, look on his face that you would think

(42:58):
would be more of like, like, absolutely.
You cannot call me that. And he seemed, like, proud of it
or something. Like he didn't, he didn't seem
disgusted, no, which was interesting.
I didn't really know how to takeit.
I felt like he. I didn't either, and I feel like
a lot more happened after that that they didn't show, but it
was like, you're just going to say that and then we're moving

(43:18):
on to dress it. So like what?
There's these jokes that they make that make them seem more
contemporary as a family than like an AUB, you know,
polygamist family. So this notion of like, our
husband could be a gay man and it's all jokey and funny, I
thought. His reaction, it didn't affect
me as wrong or bad. Like he was kind of smiley and

(43:41):
smirky kind of like, Oh yeah, you know, like I'm in on the
joke, but also a little like, I don't know why you I, I would
assume he would have a differentreaction for some reason.
I don't really know why. I would not assume that he would
be OK being referred to as like the gay bestie of his so-called,

(44:04):
you know, wives like or whatever.
Like I I would not, I would not think that that would be a
comfortable term for him. So it did strike me as
interesting that there wasn't a level of that.
Yeah. The joke probably went over his
head, let's be honest. Like.
You know, then they just moved on.
Yeah. Like, it was like, whatever.
Like, who knows? There might have been more.

(44:24):
And you went, the producers might have been the editors
might have been like, let's justcut it.
Out like literally we can't let you say that and we can't talk
anymore about this. So we're just.
We're going to cut the homophobic shit and just let you
smile after the joke about you being the game SD.
Because don't you think that, but like, what we've seen from
him defending his manliness and his character and everything
moving, you know, throughout theyears, like, I can't just think

(44:47):
that that wouldn't be something that would trigger him in some
fashion. You know, I'd, I'm not going to
say that I disagree, but there are instances throughout the
show, as we'll see when we move forward, where he compares
homosexuality to their lifestyleand how they come out and how he

(45:10):
knows what it's like to be opposed and ostracized and told
that he is wrong and that he is he's not the same.
And that he kind of says, because when they talk about
their children coming out, if some of a child comes out as
queer or gay or whatever, what are they going to do?
And he has his rationalization is that he's like, no, I'm going
to have a gay child most likely.I have a lot of kids and I think

(45:32):
about being persecuted by peopleand I don't want to persecute
them. And there's also jokes later on
in the in the show where people from his childhood, people from
high school are like, we all thought you were gay.
It does seem uncharacteristic. If you were to take him and give
him the bullet points, you wouldthink he'd be homophobic as
shit. I don't know that he really is.

(45:53):
Which? And Amen, lovely, like super
happy about that. Don't want you to be, you know,
like. Cool.
It does just seem interesting, although some of the things you
said there. Yeah, like, I'll be curious to
pay closer attention to certain things, you know, as you were
saying, some of that, I guess one of the other things that

(46:14):
maybe I don't like. I'm just wondering, and am I
totally off the wall here? I don't know that we hear.
Do we hear Kody judge other people much?
Oh, God, You know, two things come to mind.
Word salad. He's the king of word salad.

(46:35):
So he might have judgments places where you don't.
I don't pick up on him, right. And then definitely years later,
he does have judgments to valid.It's almost like they're maybe
not even judgments he believes to validate his perspective or
the reason he does. That now when I say judgments, I
don't necessarily mean of his close fan.

(46:55):
I don't think I gave enough parameters.
I think he definitely judges hisfamily members and how their
behavior effects him and does all of this.
I mean like general outside worldly people.
No, I think he's a little too self interested.
I think he kind of doesn't care about what other people are
doing. I mean, he might judge a little
bit, but I I now that I'm I'm. Going to try to note that

(47:16):
because the one of the things that as you say, you know, some
of the descriptors that he used comparing their religion to, you
know, coming out of the closet or something like that.
I mean, that's like mind blowinga little bit, right, that he
would say something like that. But then it makes me think that
that, you know, when it's outside people looking in on him

(47:41):
and judging him certainly doesn't love that.
And maybe he doesn't judge otherpeople a whole lot.
He certainly judges his family members and the behavior that
affects him. But I'm curious.
I, I will want to track that closely as we keep going because
I don't know. Well, because we need to know.

(48:02):
We just need to know. He in later seasons, I remember
references to where we go when we go, all as a conservative.
He is from my perspective and myremembrance of other things that
happened more on the libertarianfront of things.
Oh, agreed. He's very much about

(48:22):
individualism and kind of like forging your own way and doing
your own thing. And so, you know, now that you
say that, it will be interestingto pay attention.
I don't really think he does go around judging other people in
that way, like strangers and being like, you know, this group
of people are wrong. These people are terrible like.
Maybe those just aren't the things that we see them do

(48:43):
together either, right? Like maybe we're just not seeing
that part of their lives. What's the editors not giving
you a pass? Kody?
This isn't pass #2. Yeah, not there yet.
Not there yet. He still only has one.
Pass. But maybe the editors cut out
all the racist, sexist, homophobic shit that he says.
I don't know. But definitely not the sexist.
But you know, yeah, absolutely. We'll be curious.

(49:04):
We'll be curious to see. So so we move past that and then
we get to dresses. Yes, bridal.
Dress, when do we talk about theconspiracy?
Is it at the beginning or the end?
Well, no, we have to go through the beginning first because it's
not a conspiracy. There, Yes.
No, we have yes. Yes, that all out.
The last stop for the episode inthis tour of Robyn doing all the

(49:27):
things with the wives is to go bridal dress shopping.
Well, they're there. And once again, like, I know you
know so much more about this than me, but when they're there
and Robyn says, no, there's no bridesmaids.
And once again, I'm going like, if you're just there getting
dresses that are the same color but different things, I don't
know why you're not just leaninginto some generalization because

(49:49):
they're not standing there saying I am.
I'm the fourth wife. These are the other wives.
They're not really clarifying that.
They're just being like, oh, we're not that.
Listen again. I think the distinction is is
appropriate. She calls them special guests at
this point, Yes. OK, so we are not what was the
first one? Advocates.

(50:11):
Advisors. Advisors, I was like, there it
is, OK, I'm like, shoot. So she called them special
guests, not bridesmaids and partof the distinction.
So they wanted it to be not bridesmaids and not mothers of
the bride. And I think that those are
appropriate distinctions. Agreed #1 again, because if
you're thinking bridesmaid as like a person in a bridal shop,

(50:32):
you're still trying to kind of tie these dresses to each other
instead of trying to find a very, even if they can be
different styles, you're still trying to matchy matchy them
kind of an extent. Whereas if they can be
completely individual to that one person, but the same color
and any style, I think really does help distinguish that a

(50:56):
little bit. Now maybe in years since when
they were doing this, that's more common to do the different
style bridesmaid dress. It wasn't super common back in
the day, you know, 15 years ago to do the different style
bridesmaid dress. So maybe that makes it a little
bit different. Definitely not mother of the
bride. And some of the dresses that
they tried on were very mother of the bride, but there were

(51:18):
some cute ones. I mean I don't there was 1
moment when I think it was Christine maybe in the
background and Meri had on a dress and Christine just goes
that's bad. Like it was terrible.
Oh my God. But I think the distinction was
appropriate anyway, Long story short.

(51:38):
I feel like the only common thing that they referenced in
the episode was the color that they wanted to go with Browns.
So if. Boring Brown.
Boring brown. And so yeah, they're not boring,
but if that's their thing, then Amen.
The dresses, I am sorry, I don'tknow that I saw a single
flattering one on any of the other wives.
Meri maybe didn't look horrible.There were some cute ones on

(52:00):
Meri I don't know if I had lovedany of.
Those green dresses you thought those were?
Cute. So I think the shape of the
green dress on Meri was good. I think the color was.
OK, so that is. The other thing that when you're
doing dresses like that, you know that you can get them in
any color. So the shape of that dress was
good on her. There was also two of the other
brown ones. The shapes really, really

(52:22):
flattered her. There was some textures of the
dresses that were questionable, but there was a couple that were
very flattering on Meri. I don't think she ended up with
one of the flattering ones. I don't think from what I
recall, but I don't think it looked bad.
I just think she there was some that were cuter on her.
Yes, there was one the green that had the like 3 bells or

(52:44):
whatever at the bottom and and there was at least one other
that I thought did look good on her as the shape shape.
It was just funny, I guess. Typical Marion.
But like there was one that was like a literally like nuclear
code green, like teenage mutant ninja turtle slime.
Like what the fuck are you wearing?
But if it's just to get the shape, then I as a gay man can

(53:07):
comprehend that, correct? Yeah.
But I was like, Oh my God, this is a bunch of fucking ugly
dresses. However, the shapes were good
for Meri. Also Meri.
I was like, Meri is tan as shit.Meri is so tan and no one else
is tan. And this is what's funny.
It's like, OK, so you're going to the tanning bed, you're doing
whatever, blah, blah blah. Maybe they got back from Mexico

(53:29):
all. Right.
I'm not so sure. I think she went tanning before
Mexico. She's probably kind of tanned.
She looks like she's a fake and big girl, but like, you know
when they show all four of them or all five of them together,
it's like everyone else is like Pasty living in the high deserts
of Utah and she's tannish it. I have one note that I think
comes up shortly after they're done with the dresses that Kody

(53:54):
had Trump face. He had white eyes and then like
orange. So yeah, Trump face, which makes
me think they were tanning for before the trip, Yeah.
Totally. So he he did he he had that.
But the other note that I had right as they were finishing up,
not finishing up dresses becausewe haven't even gotten to Robyn

(54:14):
trying on dresses yet. But one of the the resounding
feelings at the beginning of thedresses when or at the very
beginning of the dresses when they were all kind of talking
through it was that everybody wants this wedding to be done so
that they can move on to their new normal.
Like we are, We are done with this part of it.

(54:36):
We would like this to be complete and we would like to
move on and figure out exactly what this is going to look like
for this this family, right? Definitely.
So then Robyn when she starts trying on her dresses because
they really did emphasize the other wives 1st and then they
moved into Robyn's dresses and there was one that she was

(54:56):
wearing that had I don't know ifit OK, forgive me.
I do have a penis, but it had like shoulders and sleeves,
almost like a Sport coat kind oftop.
But like I don't want to say that because it stopped the
Sport coat part stopped above titty.
And then it was nice and elegant.
I thought it looked good. I thought she looked.

(55:18):
Really. A bum.
A bum Titty Sport coat that attached to the titty region.
I mean, do you know what stress I'm talking about?
I do know what you're. Talking OK, how much if?
There's an actual term for it and I can't think of the fuck.
OK, so there really is a term there.
Is a term for the little coat that goes over it.

(55:39):
I can't remember what it's. Called.
But yeah, I mean, I thought it looked cute.
I mean, I thought it looked nice.
I thought it went well for her body and I thought it was
respectable. And also in the sense that if
you were to be getting married and you walked in wearing that
dress and you look like she looked in that dress, I'd be
like, girl, you look great. Like she looked good.
She looked good. OK, OK.

(56:03):
She looked great. OK.
She tried on several dresses that she looked great at, but
can I tell you what was problematic from the very first
second that she tried on the very first dress that she
continued to go through the whole thing, which, I mean,
obviously we know how this ends and we will get there.
But when brides put on wedding dresses and they go up to that

(56:28):
big mirror and they're looking at themself in this dress with
their loved ones around them, itdoes not look the way Robyn
looked like parading around in those dresses.
Yeah, she was performative. You used that word earlier.
And I was pissed because I was like, damn it, I had it written

(56:50):
down for the performative. She was being silly and goofy.
That is not what happens when women try on wedding dresses.
It was almost like prom dress vibe or.
Something it was childish, Yeah.And immature and not normal.
And. And so when we get to what

(57:11):
happens, I was really surprised that the other women were so
surprised. But I guess maybe they haven't
done the normal wedding dress shopping like that, you know, he
hasn't. With other wives.
Yeah, I mean. And they might not have with
other people. It for me that is not like you
put on these dresses and #1 you feel uncomfortable because this

(57:34):
is new to you, right? Like people don't just prance
around in wedding dresses everyday.
Maybe Robyn does, but nobody else does.
You either feel uncomfortable oryou feel like, Oh my God, I am
the biggest Princess in the world.
And that does not mean you are prancing across that stage and
shaking your shoulders and doinga little jig like that is not
what happens. There was not one documented

(57:56):
moment of those stereotypical. I don't know if stereotypical is
the right word, but the usual moments of a woman seeing
herself in a gown or a dress andbeing like wow, or like even
none of the other ones were like, that's the one.
Like there wasn't any of those moments.
And it's not playful like that. It's not playful.
It's either we don't want to tell her it's not the one and

(58:19):
she thinks it's the one or she hates it, but everybody else
loves it and she's like, I don'tknow, like it's a, it's an
emotional process. Choosing a wedding dress.
OK. It is not what happened.
Yeah. There, Yeah, that did seem very
in retrospect what we learn moving forward.

(58:39):
It did seem like just a going through the motions kind of
thing in. A Yeah, it was not normal.
I do just have to say that I thought that Robyn looked good
in the booby. The above booby Sport coat
dress. I thought she looked great I if
I was her friend. No, she was obviously probably
she was not really freaking out a fucking wedding dress the
fucking bitch. But.

(58:59):
If a. Liar and a fraud she's a liar
and a fraud and if I was there Iwould have been like girl, this
is the duress and if she would have been like I know right I
would have been like no are you fucking kidding me like you look
amazing, but she. Wasn't even taking it seriously.
She she wasn't, she would have been at least fake crying.
Yeah. She wasn't even taking it
seriously. There was nothing about it.

(59:20):
That was her actually wedding dress shopping.
Nothing. Yeah, it's funny that you say
that because. Oh, interesting.
What happens, Chris? What happens?
Oh, well, yeah, beyond the notion that I'm actually just
putting those pieces together because you said it turns out
that, you know, Robyn didn't choose any of those dresses.

(59:41):
Oh, shocker. Yeah, so they cut, too, after
the wedding dress shopping. I don't really even remember how
they summarized the wedding dress shopping ending.
It was just like, oh blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
And all of a sudden they're at the couch.
They're on the couch. Kody and the four wives.
And Robyn goes well. And what all the dresses that I
tried on were really beautiful, I didn't end up choosing.

(01:00:06):
Any of them. Yeah.
And then what did Kody Brown say?
Chris, I'm going to drop a bomb.We dropped a bomb.
I'm going to drop a bomb right now.
Gross. So gross.
And then what did he do, Chris? So he divulged that he went with
Robyn without the wives and theypicked out another dress because

(01:00:32):
he feels like he should have a right to do so and he should be.
It's his wedding and he's getting married too, so he
should help her pick out the dress and it's important to him.
And the second he saw that dress, Chris, how did he feel?
I don't remember. That he had seen it in his
dreams. Oh, he had seen it in his
dreams, in his. Dreams.
Oh my God. And then that was about the

(01:00:55):
time. That was about the time.
That Christine ripped off her microphone and said it was
hurtful, it was a slap in the face and left the room.
Yeah, yeah, Yep, she left. You didn't even care about any
of your other wife's dresses. Yeah, look at what she got
married in. It's like you didn't give two
fucks about what I got married in, otherwise you wouldn't have

(01:01:17):
let me marry you in that dress. Yes, I've slept in sleeping bags
that look better than that fucking dress.
Serious terrible. She looked horrible now.
OK Sorry Christine, you looked horrible on your body.
You know this. You know this.
It is what it is. OK?
So Christine storms off, they take a they do a fade out, they
fade back in. Everyone's back at the couch

(01:01:38):
according to becoming sister eyes, which is completely
truthful. Everyone's telling the truth at
every moment. A little tidbit that Janelle
gives us is that Christine walksoff and they stopped filming for
the day they stopped filming. They didn't come back to film
the second-half of that interview segment for three or
four days. You are fucking kidding me.

(01:01:59):
So you know how they did that wonderful transition, this is.
Later. Like she, yeah, she just went
off to. And they were in the same house
to. Compose herself and do whatever.
You know how I know that this is, you know, OK.
Tell me how you know Chris. You know how I know this is
true? I know that this is true because
when they come back and it says later, and the insinuation is

(01:02:20):
that she went and, you know, went to the green room and
composed herself and then they came back.
It was actually three or four days later.
And I know because Robyn and Kody, both of them, they're cold
sores are lessened or lighter orgone.
Now. We have not talked about the
cold sores and I don't really know about how I feel about

(01:02:42):
dogging on it. I feel like it's an easy one and
I feel like people that pick on that, it's like easy to do.
And also I've had a doctor tell me that if he randomly went
around and tested, 9 out of 10 people have herpes simplex of
some sort, so I don't really want to dog on it.
I don't think we pick on that for people.
I don't, I don't think. It's coding it for timetable.
I don't think it's funny. I think it's interesting that

(01:03:04):
Robyn's got whatever she's got going on, Kody's got whatever
he's got going on. They come back from the break
where Christine goes to compose herself and their faces are
visibly different. And the only reason I paid
attention to that detail was because of the number one time
number, because of the number one New York Times bestselling

(01:03:26):
the. New York Times #1 Bestseller.
Number one, New York Times bestseller Becoming Sister
Wives, where Janelle says they didn't film for three or four
days and that Christine was literally distraught like so
upset that they didn't film for days.
And I should have actually also paid attention to Chris to it's

(01:03:49):
about tan. Meri was maybe, maybe the tan
would have faded a little bit too.
I don't know. But there is a visible
difference if you actually pay attention from one to the other.
Their faces look different because the cold sores have
subsided. And that's interesting.
So Christine, not only is she upset, like I'm upset in the
moment, it was a real like Christine was real pissed, like

(01:04:12):
distraught. You know, though, I, I think
that's fair. OK, so Janelle said they were
betrayed. Christine said that was not
funny. I don't think it's funny to let
people think they are being a part of your special day in some

(01:04:33):
fashion and then telling them that was all fake.
Yeah, I don't think that's funny.
And I think that it probably just begins, like literally just
starts the distrust between how Robyn and Kody do things and

(01:04:54):
manipulate the rest of the why. And I don't I, I, I think that
was really shitty to do. And if you had already picked
out your fucking dress, fine. I don't think anybody would have
actually cared if she had the dress.
It was the fact that she pretended to take them fucking
dress shopping and pranced around like a Princess on a

(01:05:15):
stage. And it was all fake and phony.
Christine left her fucking baby at home to go dress shopping
with Robyn. That was fucking fake.
Yeah. So she's yeah, she's fucking
pissed. Why am I doing this?
Why we are having other people watch our children so we can
take these moments with you. Yeah, that's ridiculous.

(01:05:36):
I don't know about the timeline because maybe Kody and Robyn did
pick the dress after they went shopping.
Absolutely not. Robyn would not have been
behaving that way at that shop if they did not already have the
dress. You're right, absolutely fucking
not. You're right.
So she knew and she had plenty of available opportunity to say
we're going to go film a scene where we did.
A liar and a fraud. You are pissed.

(01:05:58):
You are pissed. It's.
Shitty. I think it's super shitty.
It is to try to make people feellike they're a part of something
with you and lie about it. Like at the very minimum.
While you're building relationships, earning trust,
blah blah blah. Lying and then they're watching
their husband become this personthat he's never been before for

(01:06:22):
any fucking one of them. And they're going, excuse me,
like they are seeing it all fallapart right in front of their
faces right now. 5 episodes in. God damn it.
Hold on. Six episodes need.
More wine. Allie needs more wine.
I still have plenty of whiskey, don't worry.

(01:06:46):
I mean, come on. Yeah.
Oh, my God, It is upsetting. I feel like if I was in that
situation, I would It's it's multifaceted because it's like
you're breaking my trust on someon different levels.
And this is just like, is this who you are?
Like, is this the paint picture you're painting Robyn sitting on
the couch being like, I asked Kody not to share this
information like that. That makes you good.

(01:07:07):
That makes you a A. Wonderful person either you
fucking bitch. You just wanted to lie to him
forever. What?
Until you walk down the aisle. Yeah, what are you gonna?
Until you walk down the aisle like. 10 after we're married for
10 years, I'll tell them that weactually already picked up the
dress and they had nothing to dowith it.
No, she's so terrible, so fuck her for everything, Kody.

(01:07:32):
Then I guess what I did was wrong.
Like, like, basically like, well, maybe I shouldn't have
done that. He called himself an idiot times
4. Or did Christine call him an
idiot times four? Well, Christine.
Oh, she was this beautiful line.Do you have this line?
I don't have it quoted, I just know that Christine points out

(01:07:54):
how Kody can be a different kindof idiot for each of them, and
then there's another specific line that you probably have.
So she this was a clip at the Super beginning of the episode
and I started to write it down and I didn't get the whole thing
and it came out at the end rightat this point.
Yes it did. And she said every woman is
insane and every man is an idiot.

(01:08:18):
Now truer words have likely not been spoken.
And so that's fine. It it works, it fits.
Like that is accurate. That's fucking accurate.
But she called him an idiot times 4.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
My take away was definitely I I don't, I didn't remember the
exact words, but that quote fromthe beginning of the episode

(01:08:41):
comes back up. Yes.
And they, you know, OK, maybe this is my first kudos to Puddle
Monkey. Maybe this is my first kudos to
TLC, the people editing this show that they actually book
ended a story with like something that made sense at the
beginning that we foreshadowed to the end.
Like good job 6 episodes in. But she did point out that he's

(01:09:02):
an idiot and that women are crazy and I thought it was.
It was a very human and real man.
And crazy are two. Different.
Oh, excuse me. Oh, insane.
That's right. That's insane.
I know I can't even quote her right, but at the end of the
day, but it was true. It it was very true Like I I
listened to it and I was like, Yup, like Amen.

(01:09:24):
It is totally true. Then there, then there's like
this transitionary moment where she's looking at Kody and she's,
you know, like telling him to step it up.
And it's like a serious moment like everyone else is doing that
whole like looking to the sides,looking around like we're it's
heavy. We're sitting here.
It's a moment and she's like, you need to step it up.

(01:09:46):
He goes, I need to be less of a chump and more of a man.
And she goes, yeah, you need to step it up.
And she said we expect more. And then she said I will step it
up too. Yeah.
So she's, she's scolding him, Yeah.

(01:10:06):
Kindly, softly. Yeah, but she is saying if you
think any of this is going to work.
Now what's hysterical is as I'm reading this and seeing the
moment, because the moment they had there was a bit dramatic,
right? Like it was, it seemed heavy and
knowing now that it was 3 or 4 days.

(01:10:28):
Later, 3 or 4 days later. Total game changer, right?
Because they've been fighting about this for days, right?
Or they've been avoiding each other.
Yeah, or avoiding each other too.
And so she's had a moment to think.
And I, I actually think it's probably a little more that
she's had a moment to think. And so she's like, I know that
if I take this approach or it probably feels better for her to

(01:10:52):
take this approach. Like she's.
OK, She's saying I need this from you.
I will also try to be better. So that's what she's saying.
I will step up too. And then Kody goes all right.
Yeah, yeah. All right.
And then he says please be. Forgiving, she says.
Please be patient. So clearly these are back and

(01:11:15):
forth conversations being had where I don't think they are
hearing each other and what is being said.
Second episode in a row where a wife is being like will you hear
me? Acknowledge what I am saying and

(01:11:36):
feeling. That doesn't mean that you need
to change who you are or what you are doing, but I need you to
understand how I am feeling. Yes, literally an
acknowledgement of my feelings and an understanding, not
anything more. Imagine the amount of
relationships in the world that could be saved if people could
simply acknowledge other's feelings without without saying
I fully understand them I'm doing anything different because

(01:12:00):
of them. But just saying, I hear you and
I get it and I understand what you're telling me.
Like. Yeah, yeah.
Insanity. Yeah, Kody on a daily basis is
probably avoiding acknowledging other people's perspectives, at
least in his family. He, like we talked about

(01:12:20):
earlier, he might be very generous with the general
population. He might be open minded to a
bunch of shit, but with his own family, you.
Know we don't actually get to see them interact with the
general public a lot. We do in later, well, in later
episodes. It's it's, I feel like it's
primarily driven about the kids,but also they do, do they do, do

(01:12:41):
they have, they do like public forum things where they answer
questions and are like held, butit's like held to the fire.
It's not like a moment where he's gonna be like, yeah, here's
my racist statement. Like that's not gonna happen.
Dang it. So that was basically that's how
the episode ends is with this dramatic scene of, well, with

(01:13:03):
this scene of feels. And not only is Christine having
this moment with Kody where there's this back and forth, but
like I said a a minute ago, the other wives, the eyes are
darting side to side. They're looking at whatever they
can look at. They're like the vibe is I
wasn't. Paying attention.
I wish I'd been paying attentionto their.

(01:13:24):
Stuff the vibe was totally when you're with other people and
they're having an argument or something's happening and
there's like a moment of like, Yep, and like everyone's just
Yep, like that was that was the vibes.
So moving into our mustard seed and shit stain of the week.
I'm going to go ahead and go first.
I think sushi, I think. Sushi.

(01:13:45):
I think. I think snee should.
I think Snee should go first. Late in the evening, kids.
OK, my mustard seed for this episode.
This episode is crazy in the sense that like things actually
happened, but it's actually not a lot of things really.
Once again, that's. I was like not any different
than the one before that or the one before that.

(01:14:08):
God, the mustard seed. I feel like the mustard seed for
this episode. I'm going to be controversial.
No, I can't do this. I cannot do it.
You weren't going to give it to Robyn.
I was. No.
I can't. I can't.
I can't. I would veto that mustard.
Exactly. OK, so my mustard seed for the
week goes to Janelle, because Janelle, based on the footage

(01:14:33):
that we saw, she found some flowers that she liked.
She leaned into that. She said that she liked the
outdoor setting for the whatever.
And so for Janelle to give any input, let's be real, for
Janelle is like a non input person.
She's asked to participate, she doesn't.
And then she might have feels about it if she has any feels
and it's like, but you don't lean in on anything.

(01:14:53):
So what do you want? At least she said she liked
calla lilies. I said that right it.
Was cana lilies because it's. Annoying.
I mean, they're basically the same.
Thing OK, good. So she likes some flowers.
She likes being outside at a wedding reception because and,
and God bless. I mean, I've been to plenty of
receptions where it's like, OK, wrap it up like I, I don't need

(01:15:16):
to. Be here stuffy ballroom we.
Get stuffy ballroom. So I like that she was doing
those things. And if you're gonna ask Janelle
to participate in things like this, that is a good outcome.
She said she likes flowers. She said she liked a place.
Maybe she even said she liked todress.
We'll never know. Agreed.
Agreed. And I think in similar fashion,

(01:15:38):
my mustard seed would go to Christine because while I think
this was all very hard for her with a newborn baby at home and
with obviously lots of changes in their relationships and
things like that. I think she really was trying

(01:16:01):
her best to be supportive and involved in the things that she
was asked to be involved in. And I think she really was.
And I think that that is one of the reasons why she was so hurt
when the lying about the dress thing came out, because she was

(01:16:21):
trying her best with a newborn baby at home to participate in
this wedding. And it was a slap in the face,
you know? Yeah.
So who's our shit stain, Chris? So my shit stain is definitely
Robyn Brown. My shit stain is Robyn brown
because even though Kody is the most putrid shade of brown
you've ever seen, he's not the shit stain this episode.

(01:16:44):
For me. I do not like the way that Robyn
handled any of this. I think if she was genuinely
trying to forge a relationship with her sister wives she would
have approached it with she would have told Kody how
important it was for her to havethese situations happen with her
sister wives. If they had a relationship that

(01:17:04):
made sense, he would have understood why it was important
to her and it should have been important to him.
That's why he fucking sucks. But she sucks more in this
episode, in my perspective, because she's the one coming
into this situation and she knewthat this was going to suck if
it came out and that's why she didn't want it to come out.
I'm I'm going to round it out with him as my shit stain
because they both deserve it andthey both did wrong.

(01:17:28):
And you know what I would like us to do as we as we continue to
re watch the rest of this, I would like us to try to pinpoint
any moments that the other wivesand Kody together, like a wife
and Kody together, try to hide Atruth from the other wives in

(01:17:50):
whatever. And this can be super trivial.
It can be super important. It can be what I would like us
to find an example of when they keep secrets from the other ones
that gets out in some fashion ifthat ever happens, you know what
I'm saying? Because that's the recipe for
disaster right now. This is the recipe for disaster

(01:18:12):
because they can't trust each other now.
They can't trust each other. And trust is literally all you
have in these relationships. And they fucked it up right
there before the wedding. And I think this really, this
was the actual moment it all went to shit.
If they had to stop filming for three or four days because

(01:18:36):
Christine was so pissed and I think everybody else was pissed
too, I don't I think she may be needed more time or was more
dramatic about it than they were.
But all trust is out the window now.
Like we were all lied to. Like, you feel like a fool, like
a fool. And it's not a lie from
omission, it's an intentional setup lie that they did for what

(01:19:00):
the show that the other ones weren't in on.
I feel like it seems like. It's shocking.
I feel like it seems like it's rooted in the fact that Kody
just wanted to be a part of it. You don't even have to like
somebody, but you can trust. Them right, yes, you.
Don't even have to like them, but you can trust.
Them that is so true it's. Not I mean.
Oh yeah. Shocking, so I think.

(01:19:22):
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This is this is, this is the zoo.
Yep. Now we go down.
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It ends swimmingly. Of course, our keep sweet moment
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We want to give you guys a special shout out on this
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