Sister Wives S1 E8 - Sister Wives Special - My Sister Wives Podcast

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Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Allie, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.

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That's us all right. See you on the.
Flip side. What does the nanny do?
OK, so we're done. Goodbye.
You shut it off. Do not twist my words.

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Do not. Make me a victim, sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw.
That day, just a knife in the kidneys over all these years and
the sacrifices that I made to love you.

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A sister wives special season 1 episode 8.
So Ali, we just watched the first, I guess, tell all slash
reunion slash interview special,whatever we want to call it for
sister wives, which is post the wedding and I guess kind of a
season 1 wrap up a retrospectiveof all the things.

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The interviewer. I don't know that they
introduced her. I don't know who she is.
I her. Name is Natalie Morales.
Oh, Natalie Morales tell you. Oh, do you know her from other
things? No, I just brought it down.
Oh, OK, yes, and I do know the name.
So she must have had a career before and after or something.
But her, one of the things that she said at the very beginning
was that the Browns were taking America by storm, which I

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thought was a very interesting quote.
I suppose at the time. I mean, it must have been very
kind of novel anew and like thisthing, like it had to be.
I mean, I remember it was. Yeah, it was taking America by
storm and then changing the faceof polygamy 1 episode at a time.
Yes. And it was like, OK, I mean,

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fair enough, right? This isn't something we had seen
before, right? So that's why we're here,
because somehow they hooked us in.
Thanks, guys. And this is where we are today.
So, yeah, it was interesting to think about it in that lens,
that that's how unique it was when it first aired, you know,

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and kind of the recaps they gaveabout some of that stuff was,
was, yeah. We discussed it briefly in a
previous episode where they talked about how the timing was
important for them personally because of the Warren Jeffs
things and like, the stuff coming out about polygamy and
this, like, you know, the subsetof the culture where they were,
well, I don't know if we'd call the subset, but the child prides

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and the, like. Welfare fraud.
Yeah, like exactly all of that. So yeah.
I'm sure it's a very low percentage.
You were almost convincing with it.
Almost. Almost, almost convincing.
The first thing that I noticed in this episode was how they had
hair and makeup. Oh, they had hair and makeup.

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Janelle. Janelle.
She had eyeliner on. Her hair had been dead.
Her hair was great. Her hair looked good, like she
looked good. And it was, I guess maybe I
don't know the first time that Ithought that you're not looked
good. But all around they all look TV
ready. They that people weren't just

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showing up at their house or their half home.
They literally were done up for TV and they looked good.
I mean, they were TV ready, but there were choices made, OK?
Yeah, there were still choices. Oh, no.
What do you mean by that? I mean that Meri looked like an
old woman, her hair was so bad and her makeup was not

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flattering. Like very minimal.
Compared to non existent almost yeah.
And her outfit looked super old,like she looked like the oldest
wife, like that was the role shewas cast for.
OK. Janelle had a more youthful look
to her. There was the bright pinks and
the, you know, the glow and the this and the hair and it was
great. Christine, I don't think I

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actually have like strong opinions about her appearance.
So it must have been just kind of like more normal.
She does 1/2 decent job herself sometimes, right?
So I didn't notice anything about that.
Robyn's hair was also awful. OK.
It was like curled but had like almost football helmet shape

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like almost like cartoon character E volume to it Yeah
it. Looked like a wig to me in a
sense. Yeah, it was not good.
Her makeup was fine. Her clothes were half like, not
trying to make her look as youngas she did, but she definitely
looked better than like Meri did.
Like, I don't know, there were choices made.

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Kody looked like he was just wearing some top, and I mean, I
don't know what he would have done or whatever, but he was
definitely in the center right. So it's like on the couch on the
love seat next to him. To his right would be Meri, to
his left was Christine. And then Janelle and Robyn are
seated above them between their shoulders, which I thought was
an interesting setup because it did kind of almost give a visual

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indicator that the two wives that he's closer with were next
to him, which is just not true. But I don't know.
It seemed like a weird setup. I don't know why they weren't
just like on stools or something.
It seemed very like that. The three in the front were
crunched together, and then there's the two in the back.
It seemed weird to me. Well, it also seemed like they
struggled to figure out who should be talking and responding

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when. Like there were moments of
talking over each other, like, not intentionally, but they
like, just would all go to answer the question.
And it was kind of a little bit of that.
There was even one time that I thought maybe they anticipated
that, like, Janelle would be answering a question.
So like, Robyn's mic wasn't on or something.

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And like, Robyn tried to speak and the audios were different.
Like it was just, yeah, I don't know how well put together and
thought out that part of interviewing 5 people all at
once in a general consensus was going to work out super great
like that. Yeah, it seemed like they were
just in a large hotel room and they at one point they pan and

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show the crew, which are all like smashed into one side and
then there's the five of them looking.
Yeah. Like it wasn't well thought out.
And you're right, there were audio differentiations between
them that were at sometimes distracting.
Like is it that someones mic pack wasn't working?
Is it that the mics, the booms were terrible?
Like, I have no idea, but it didsound disjointed at times for

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sure when they were talking about changing the face of
polygamy. One thing that I noted was that
Kody said that there is a need for transparency, which is
another reason that they were doing it, you know, aligned to
that whole Warren Jeffs, blah, blah, blah.
I think that they default to this whole like coming out bit
and the whole like transparency thing.

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And and it's like, OK, I guess it's a good thing to say because
I'm sure that's part of it. That's why your show got picked
up. OK?
Yeah, we did, yeah. But, you know, he didn't say so
that he could never work for therest of his life.
But whatever, you know, there's,there's that.
Kody also says that America is prejudice.

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And he also makes reference to like people talking about him,
like maybe this guy is just a patriarchal and he's a
narcissist. And it's like, Yep.
So this is what I loved. I loved the fact that, like,
there's at least some recognition that those things
exist at this point in time. He doesn't put himself in those

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buckets. And I think he's doing a good
job right now of masking that side of him.
I would actually say, right, Like, I don't see him in these
early episodes in that same way.I really don't.
I think he's oblivious and I think he's stupid, but I don't
see those character traits in him.

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I think that definitely changes though, right?
Because obviously that's who he is.
Yeah. I mean.
Well, yes, and it's interesting that it starts with him pointing
out that people are questioning that and like he just has no,
like, no, of course not. And like, obviously that's not
it. And it's like, OK, well, you are
stating what will happen. So, like, thank you for that,

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Kody Brown. Everybody just thinks I'm so
self obsessed and I'm not self obsessed, I'm just well trained.
Yeah, OK. Bullshit.
See this is what I was saying. Bullshit.
You were not well trained. Puke, puke, puke.
They do a overview thing of the Mormon church talking about how

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today's church, the Jesus Christof Latter Day Saints, kind of
disavowed polygamy 100 plus years ago and that it's
estimated that there's 35,000 polygamous families in the USI
don't know where they're gettingthat number.
You know, it's not like they cited any sources during this
interview, but I don't know how to feel about that number

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because I feel like 35,000 families is a lot.
I felt like it seems like a highnumber.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I have
a way to gauge whether it's possible or not.
I mean, some crazy shit's possible, as we know.
So maybe totally accurate. But yes, my perception of that
number was also that like, that's more than I would have

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thought for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not sure how they're gettingthat number, but yeah, Amen.
Again, it gets pride up that they don't go weird, we don't go
weird, and then Christine talks about the fact that we also
don't talk about this. One thing that I found
interesting was when Christine was talking, she is clearly well
versed in the PR talking points of the AUB.

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And one thing from the book becoming Sister Wives that they
don't really talk about much in the show is how she was part of
some sort of group being, you know, part of royalty, quote UN
quote within the group. Like her dad was the father of
the founder of the whatever, blah, blah, blah.
She's been a part of panels and discussions and outreach groups

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and what not where they're defending the the religion and
their lifestyle. And I felt like when she was
talking at the beginning of thisepisode, they were very much
rehearsed bullet points. Like she knew what to say and
she was very like, this is the plastic spin that we're giving
for what we're talking about. And she's definitely done it
before. It was very natural for her.

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It definitely stood out to me asa thing where I'm like, if I
didn't know that about her, I probably would think she's just
talking off the cuff. But really, she is very well
versed. And in a lot of these
conversations, it doesn't seem like Christine takes the lead in
talking about things. And with that, it definitely
stood out to me. Like she was like, I'm going to
talk about how this is and blah,blah, blah.
But it was very manufactured. I can see what you're saying, I

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think. And it leads me to also think of
moments like say current day compared to previous life of
theirs, right? Where I do think you're right
back then what she was saying, like even when she was upset
about things here in the beginning, and then we'll see
how that transforms throughout the years, right?

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But even when she was upset about things, she was never
inherently upset about their lifestyle and what their
lifestyle was meant to be and that things like that existed or
that the church was what the church was like.
Those weren't ever her complaint.
It was when she felt like she asa human being wasn't getting the

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treatment that she should get from her husband, regardless of
religion, right? Like regardless of all of these
other factors. And so I, I think that if and
when she complained about things, those were the things
she was complaining about and trying to and feeling OK enough
to be real about them, as opposed to I'm not going to

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volunteer my information first or whatever else.
Right. Like it was almost like
involuntary sometimes when things were shared because she
just had such a physical reaction to it that she had to
talk about it though, you know, like, I don't know.
Yeah. That's interesting.
Meri when talking about things, one thing that stood out to me
was when she said that this is the third time a new one has

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come along, and I thought her phrasing about a new one was an
interesting choice of words. It's one of those comments that
someone makes where they didn't really hone in on it.
It wasn't like a big deal, but it's like a new one.
So I think that kind of gives a little insight into her mind
about how these relationships have come about.
And even though she is rationally speaking, like, yeah,

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I signed up for it, I'm from this, I knew it, I advocated for
it. She's referring to these other
people as the new one. So, you know, maybe there is a
tinge of Meri being the first wife, the best wife, the Queen
wife, Somewhere, somewhere in her mind, I think that exists.
I think she wants it to exist, surely.
And I think that part of. Oh, interesting twist.

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I think that maybe part of the reason she kept facilitating the
additional wives was that she hoped that would actually gain
her additional appreciation fromKody.
Yes, for having done so. Right.
Like, look what I delivered to you.

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Now, clearly you should love me more.
Yeah, because I did that for youand I allowed you to do that.
And I look, I even met them and weaved them into our web like.
Yeah, that totally makes sense. Yeah, getting more approval and
love from him. Quote UN quote Kody talking
about the process of filming theshow where first, they're living

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the moment. They're actually going through
it. They're filming the thing
they're going through whatever in life.
Second, they have their couch interviews about it, where
they're discussing it and they're rehashing things and
reliving things and going into it almost like the the Christine
walking out moment. And then third, to watch it then
on TV, like the actual experience and then the reaction

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to it and then to relive it again.
And I thought that was an interesting way to frame it up
and to tee it up because, because I've always felt like
watching reality TV, there was 2parts like going through it and
then reliving it. But it's like, no, they also
have to talk about it between there.
So there's actually like a triple whammy.
Like I could see how that would be a lot like going through it,
talking about it and rewatching it.

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And then of course, like reactions from other people
after it. So it's like 4.
Like there's multiple steps to all of these scenarios, which is
not something I've lived through.
I don't think I want to live through it.
That seems like a lot. Yeah, I think that now, current
day, we're super used to seeing reality shows and a very similar

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process to what's happening on the show right now.
But what we're not thinking is this was 15 years ago, right?
So we hadn't seen as many reality shows as we have.
We aren't as conditioned to whatthat is.
And so even I can imagine watching this for the first
time, if that registered right, Like I don't remember if it did

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or not, but if it did, thinking about that fact that, Oh my
gosh, Can you imagine that that's actually what they're
doing right now? Like they're bringing this
lifestyle to the public. That's such a big deal.
And then they're talking about it before they see any of it or
maybe after they see it, but then rewatching it and then
reliving it and then never dropping anything ever because

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it still comes up. Yeah.
When you have to do shit like this every day, like, Oh my God,
yeah. I don't know.
I don't know. They talked about, like, their
concern for the kids and stuff like that.
I mean. Janelle saying that they try to
keep things normal for their 16 kids, as normal as it can be.
She didn't really elaborate too much on that, but I thought it

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was interesting that that was a standout from her at the intro,
was that they're really trying to keep things normal for the
kids. And you know, you got to give
props for that. I don't know if they were
successful in that, but whatever.
Well, and they kind of framed itat one point, like all of the
kids absolutely love being on the show and think it's so great
and think it's so wonderful. And then all of the kids

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absolutely hate being on the show and think that it sucks and
thinks that it's terrible. Like they basically, which is
like truly just every child in any experience.
So I'm not even like faulting them for that particular thing.
There's other pieces that are bigger conversations, but like,
I think that's probably pretty accurate.

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Sometimes they thought it was pretty cool they were doing
that, and other times they wanted to be mad about something
and they were like, you're making me do this and so I hate
you. Yeah, I can see it.
And the convoluted web of TLCS practices with having these
families on shows signing contracts with the adults and
the minors just being there. If they don't have contracts

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with the minors, if they're not paying them, then they're not
part of any union agreements. They don't have to be obliged to
have certain hours during the day for school.
They don't have to have trust funds set aside for themselves
with the income from the show because they are contracted and
they're minors. It's really like the brown
parents, and I'm assuming primarily Kody navigating and
managing that. And I'm assuming that all the

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wives are compensated at this. You know, I was assuming they
all have contracts and Kody, butI don't think any of the minors
do. I would assume not.
I'm sure not. Yeah.
And that's where some of the stuff just gets messy, right?
Like, that gets messy to me. And I think we've seen a lot of
young celebrities get taken advantage of from their parents

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and things like that. I don't know that I'm throwing
all of the Brown family childreninto that bucket.
But like, we don't know. Maybe they haven't gotten a
single thing for any of their participation in this.
And if that's a reality, I thinkthat's pretty shitty.
Like I think that I don't even know what that division would
look like though. Like I don't even know how that
compensation works. So it's it.

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It's just so bizarre to think about the fact though, that
children can spend their lives on television and then have to
grow up and deal with the consequences of that.
And they had 0 control over any of it and like.
And we're potentially only benefited by the sense that
maybe their parents could buy a better home.

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Maybe their parents could more easily afford to buy them a used
car or contribute to their Community College, state school
education. There's probably ways that the
parents validate the income benefiting their family.
But as a talent, as a person whose formative lives are filmed
and exploited for a show and having nothing to show for it.

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Well, and like, who knows the actual consequences that they've
had throughout life, right? Like, Oh my God, we have no
idea. You know, shit, my kid is pissed
if he sees an old Facebook memory of mine that I posted of
when he was like 4. You know, like I don't.
And that's just a photo on social media or a silly little

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video like, and I've even started like.
I've even started thinking differently about that just as
he gets older a little bit. Like, I'm not going to say I
don't post things here and there, but like, I try to be
sure I'm not going to embarrass it.
Like, I don't know. I mean, it's just weird.
So I can't quite imagine it, theunpredictableness of what

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children could do on camera and then have to live with the rest
of their lives. Like, I don't know man.
Yes, I'm sure we will circle back to that topic as the kids
get older. And then we, you know,
eventually with the show, the adult children, most of them
participate very little, if not at all, because they probably
were like, I never wanted this and I want to be a part of it

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and I don't want anything to do with.
It or if I'm going to be a part of it, you're going to pay me
and I am going to have my own agreement.
And if you choose to not do that, then.
This is my. Participation.
Yeah. And Amen.
Good for them. You know, I mean, the one time
they can negotiate for themselves, they absolutely
fucking should. Yeah, they should. 100 there

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when they were talking about thekids, I thought there was this,
oh, there was so cute. I remember I said to you, I'm
like Savannah is so cute. Little Savannah.
There's just these cutaways thatthey show of her, and I don't
know how old she is in these shots, but she is cute as a bug
on a rug. Like she just has these animated
expressions. But she's Janelle's daughter, so

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she has like that bloodline coming through on the face and
it's just she's got this natural, unique look that's also
very attractive. And then she's young, so she's
like joyful and silly and I don't know, I just think she is
so damn cute. There were some cute, I mean,
yes, the whole kind of beginningpart of the episode, of course
is like explaining where we where we started and where we

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get to and all of the things anddefinitely some cute flashbacks
of the kids and stuff. It really did just kind of
button it all up from where we started, big picture, and then
moves into this wife and then this wife and then this wife and
to where we are today, right? So wild ride.
Well, the and so beyond the kid,the footage of the kids, they

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have these stills that they showof the parents, the adults, you
know, intro outro to commercial breaks.
And there's a photo of Kody on this motorcycle with his like
arm over the handlebars, like looking off into the future.
Like that's his single photo. And it's disgusting because he
also is looking like, I think he's wearing what he always

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wears like this business casual top, like on this motorcycle.
And it's like you have such a grandiose vision of yourself.
This looks, he looks like a clown.
It looks ridiculous. I did not register that, but I
hope I get to do. I hope that I get to see in the
future. Maybe.
Maybe if I see it in the future I'll notice and maybe I won't.

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Yeah, because I do try to avoid looking at him.
Well, this is it. I'm not trying to like, burn
Kody into anybody's brain. God.
Before they moved in to each wife individually, Natalie had
Kody up on like this rooftop. I think like cut back and forth
between sections of this interview throughout.

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But one of the things she kind of referred to him and she goes,
do you see yourself as this moonand everyone else is just
rotating around? Do you like, she paints like
this picture of him literally being the center of the
universe? And of course, he is like, no,

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no, no, that is not it. And then he uses some, he uses
some sort of line at the end of that that like there's no cat
chasing for him or something. Did you hear this part?
I was like, what is he talking? She went from referring to him

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as the center of their universe,and he was trying to
differentiate between that. And then all of a sudden he's
not chasing cats. Yeah, I feel like I don't
remember what he said because itwas one of those Kody moments
for me where he started talking and I kind of faced it.
I kind of blocked it out. I mean, I just, I'm like, what
are you even saying? I was.
Trying to connect the dots so hard and I just could not.

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So that was yes, the lasting impression Kody Brown left with
us before we get to dive into each wife individually.
And yes, I just couldn't be moregrateful for everything he does
for. Us thank you for being you, Kody
Brown. Everyone loves that.
So like you were saying then in the episode, they jump into each

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individual wife like a little background, a little ketchup,
blah, blah, blah, and some interview moments.
And of course they start with Meri because Meri's wife number
one. And yeah, they yes, they they
tear up kind of as like a take charge woman.
I thought. I feel like that's kind of
outside of her being the tooth puller, the packing Nazi and the

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photo goddess. They're teeing her up as this
take charge woman like. Now in mergers and acquisitions.
Oh yes, and mergers and acquisitions 100, she is, she
gets it done. She is whatever.
And you know, I feel like that makes sense based on the footage
that they have or whatever. And I think that actually is who

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she is. Like I think she's just like
even when they're packing and she's like, I'm just like, get
it done and then we can take a nap later.
So she is like she's driven likethat.
I don't know. Oh 100%.
And I just love the little bullets they have her.
I don't know, for some reason the way other people describe
her like sticks out to me because it's just never super

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flattering and gracious things, right?
It's never like she's so supportive.
And you know, I just couldn't have gotten through any of this
without her. Like at least currently we
haven't heard any words like that.
So curious to see if any of those show up.
She referred, she said she was the one like her and Kody met

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each other and she was the one for him.
He was the one for her. And then she goes, well, I was
the one for now. And that was like, OK, I mean, I
get. So she entered into it with that
being the intention, right? That that's how they were going
to live this life. So she kind of knew she was the
one for now. But I think really what she was

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saying was that she was the one and she wanted to be the one and
she wanted to live this lifestyle, but she didn't think
by inviting other people into this lifestyle that she would no
longer feel like she was the one.
Yeah, yeah. She said the words out loud like
that's what she meant, but I don't think she understood that
that's how she would feel. It was interesting, but she was

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open about it. You know?
I don't know. Again, her hair was terrible and
she had an old lady outfit. Well, she divulges that her
feelings change day by day regarding her insecurities.
Like some days she feels very confident, other days she
doesn't. And that, you know, that's that
that feels real. I don't know.
I really loved it there. Was funny because they only made

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them rewatch, or at least what was shown on camera.
They made them rewatch just a couple of specific moments
throughout the season, and one of the ones they made them
rewatch was her and Kody's anniversary dinner.
And like, I, you know, again, I don't ever want to have to

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rewatch myself. That sounds awful.
Oh, gross. Like to sit in their seats and
watch that as every single person on that couch, like I
just the ick was around for sure.
Like, oh, we talk about an ick later on, I think maybe.
But anyway, yes, it was crazy. Yes, she talks about how they

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were in a hard place back when Robyn was being courted and all
of that. Like she references that it made
it more complex that Robyn was joining.
I think she even said like, I don't know, there was some sort
of joke about Robyn joining in or whatever, but that she was in
a hard place with Kody during that time.
So they were in a hard place. And, and I'm not sure that it

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was so much emphasized earlier in the season as much as she did
on that couch during this interview where it seemed to me
like, no, we were in a bad place.
Like we were not in a good place.
I agree. Well, and I think that's part of
what was interesting with how the season started and they just
jump into new wife coming in, yay, excited, whatever.

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And you could tell there was unmasked things that like they
weren't saying this stuff, you know, but there was definitely
things that existed. And so this is our first example
of kind of put, I don't know if it's our first example, but it's
a big example of something that you kind of know what's

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happening, but they haven't saidit yet.
Well, this is it. I assume that all of her
trepidations, all of her things were about like Robyn joining
the family and the emotions about that.
Not necessarily that their marriage was probably not in a
good place across the board, which we dive into a little bit
more. She also says that she had done
fertility treatments before. I don't recall hearing this

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previously. Do you?
Do we talk about that? I did not recall that before
either. I did write that down like
question mark, question mark. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't remember that at all.
No. And I, I think there's these
things sometimes that Meri says where I don't want to question
her authenticity or whether she's lying or not.

(29:50):
But I'm also like, how is it that this hasn't come up before?
Because you've talked every episode.
Well, her fertility has come up many times, and it hasn't come
up once yet that she's done fertility treatments.
And even in the way Kody brings it up when they're on their
anniversary, it seems like it's a first time.
Like I don't the gift he was giving her.
Yeah, like why would you be giving her a gift if she's
already done it multiple times? Like it just doesn't something.

(30:12):
The math ain't math in there forme.
Now I am going to pinpoint to one specific fact.
She did not say she had done in vitro before.
True, she said, she had done fertility treatments.
Correct. That could mean a plethora.

(30:34):
Eating a lot of celery. Right.
And some salt. Well.
That could be good fertility. Well, you know, and based on
their religion, I mean she that could be a fertility treatment
to her like. Right, I this is what I'm
saying. It could be many different
examples of what an actual fertility treatment was.
I think that still Kody saying in vitro on the anniversary trip

(30:57):
was a difference and a big offering.
And I think that maybe it is something that's frowned upon in
their religion. And so that is part of the
reason why she hesitated and hasn't done it yet, if if that's
the case. But I guess.
That is a differentiator. Fact checkers, you let us know.
Can't wait, can't wait. Also throughout this like mix of

(31:20):
back and forth conversation thatis being had where Natalie is
asking these questions and what have you, Kody tries to answer
one of her questions. And I can't exactly remember how
she phrased it. It was part of the challenges
between the wives, right? And how he navigates it.

(31:43):
And he basically said like he was just trying to relate their
relationships to any average other American couple, right?
So our relationship is the same.We might not communicate the
best, but every other couple in America doesn't communicate the

(32:04):
best. Our relationships are the same.
We have the same struggles that any other couple has.
They just seem different becauseI have 4 wives instead of one.
But the challenges that we face in our relationships are the
same as any other marriage out there.
And I think he has a point. Like I think he's pretty.

(32:27):
It can't be completely. True though because other
marriages don't have other spouses like that, adds.
A complexity so he just gets to get four women mad at him and
they're all mad at him for the same shit because that's how
life works and he gets to disregard 4 women so it really
is the same as any other marriage and.

(32:47):
The fair enough, Fair enough, yes.
I don't know. I just thought it was funny.
I was like, there is a relatableaspect to it.
Like there is a piece in which the struggles that they have in
their individual marriages are just like anybody else's.
What is different is that he hasfour of them and that's the

(33:10):
difference. And like their place during this
anniversary time was one of those everyday, I don't want to
say everyday, but common things were in a marriage you are in a
low and you got to figure out how you're going to keep moving
on if you're both committed to this thing.
And you're putting on a show foryour friends and family too,
man. Like they're putting on a show
for cameras. You're putting on a show for
whoever's around you. Like, look at my life on social

(33:33):
media, you know, like that's just what people do.
It's, it's the human reaction orwhatever.
But. And there's like a cute moment.
I thought it was a cute moment where Christine says that she
tells Meri first about being pregnant when she's been
pregnant before out of, you know, sensitivity and her feels
for Meri's journey and Meri's, you know, lack of having

(33:57):
children other than her one child.
And I thought it was sweet because it demonstrates how
these women do give each other grace in their relationships and
have bonds where they are sensitive to things like that.
I think it speaks to Christine'scharacter and I think it speaks
to their overall Ness that she would say.

(34:19):
I generally like to tell Meri first out of sensitivity.
I keep saying the word sensitivity, but it really
strikes me as a very sensitive thing to come to your friend, to
your sister, wife, to say, I want you to know that I'm giving
birth or that I'm pregnant. And Christine's not the only
one. We will actually witness it in
the future where there is an effort made when someone is

(34:40):
pregnant to go to marry and say hi.
I just want hi, hi. I just want.
That was a bit much, but you know, like.
Hey, go ahead. Yeah, to like give Meri the
heads up out of all, like, you know, an empathy and a sympathy
for her and, and a sensitivity to her situation.
And I thought that that was cool.
I like that Christine divulged that.

(35:01):
I did too. And part of the way when she
started to talk about that, she said, you know, I know that it
sucks that Meri wasn't able to have more kids, but she said, I
hope that she feels like our kids are her own and that that
helps. Like, I hope that she does

(35:22):
recognize that you have all these kids and, you know, and
they were all feeling very sentimental and like receiving
that and definitely and everything she said was super
sweet. So I thought that was really
nice. And that yes, she just, it was
like she didn't want Meri to hear it just randomly from
somebody else and then go, oh, somebody else having another

(35:43):
baby and I'm not, you know, likeit was thoughtful and that was
very nice. And I thought that was that was
really great. I think shortly after part of
that conversation, Natalie asks Meri something about if she
really did ever consider leaving, because then they cut

(36:06):
to a clip or two of Meri saying,sometimes I just wonder if it's
even worth me staying here and should I just leave like that?
I guess was there at least two, maybe three of her sharing some
sort of feeling about that on camera this season?

(36:29):
And what I think is funny is I don't actually remember huge
specific dramatic moments of like that happening.
I mean, it did and we watched itand whatever, but I really think
it was super brushed aside in the moment as it was said or
something. Like, I don't know, it was
bizarre. It was bizarre and she didn't

(36:51):
really know how to answer it. Yeah, it did seem to.
It reminded me of perhaps how inlife we say things and if you
were to be filming it and pull it out and show it to us later,
we'd be like, Oh my God, I did say that.
And like, you know how we have feelings and we're, we're, we
have a vibe, we have a nest. We're expressing ourselves about

(37:13):
this thing and you're just casually doing it.
And I mean, I think we both had times.
I think anyone listening, hopefully you've had a time
where someone has held a mirror up to some of your things you've
said or some of the things you've done and you're like, let
me take some time to reflect on,reflect on this because holy
shit. Like I was being just kind of
thoughtless about what I was saying.
And I think that was a moment for her where she was like, Oh

(37:35):
my God, I do say these things. And I do have to actually talk
about that now. I felt like it was like an
oopsie. Yeah, 100 hundred and I felt
like it was relatable, but also yes.
And the times, like you said earlier in the season where
those moments come up, they seemto be just part of a description
and it's part of a scene where it just keeps moving on.
And it they weren't really standup moments to me.

(37:57):
And then when they showed it again, it was like, Oh yeah, she
does say that like multiple times.
It seemed, let's just put it this way, I was glad it was a
question that was asked. That was a benefit for sure.
I felt kind of bad for Meri having to explain herself a
little bit because I also think it's OK to say what you're

(38:17):
feeling in the moment sometimes.But like, yes, girl, you're on a
show and they're going to question you about it later.
And I think in time we will. She, she really does try to like
play it down, play it down. That's not what I meant.
That's not what it is. We love this.
But yes, sometimes things get stressful.
I think we know that this is an underlying feeling for Meri that

(38:43):
extends throughout time. Yeah.
And she doesn't understand the value of staying where she is
staying. And things change in many, many,
many different ways. So yeah, I think this is like
foreshadowing at its best, right?
Like this. This is the start of her
actually saying what she means, but then having to be like
whoopsie. Yeah.

(39:03):
And highlights realistically, yes, if we're looking on our
crystal ball and looking at the future, there is Meri's Ness
about sticking with her commitment, about doing this
thing because she is committed and she's made this decision and
she did. Say committed.
She's all about this commitment and we will see over the years

(39:26):
that there, let's just say thereare times where Meri is probably
literally only there because tworeasons.
One, she committed and she takesthat commitment very seriously.
And two, she's getting a paycheck from TLC.
So there's that. But you know, yeah, she's
definitely like committed #1 she's committed.

(39:48):
And then also she has her child Leon, that she references
previously where it's like, you know, the reasons I stay is
because I made a commitment and I have a kid.
Yeah, it's not because I love myhusband.
That wasn't one of the bullet points, she said.
I mean, she weaves that in therehere and there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a priMeri.
Well, you know, yeah. Secondary thing.
You got to love him, I guess, you know?

(40:09):
Actually, let's make the list. So first it's and it's like he's
like 5. He's like 5.
Loving Kody is definitely not top 4, no.
So we conclude, Meri, you know who was super special?
And then Janelle is next. I love the words they choose to
describe each of the wives. So Janelle is described as being

(40:29):
level headed, thinker and worker.
Worker. That is what Janelle is.
I was like, yeah, yeah, Amen. That is correct.
She still does look very pretty.We are happy with her appearance
on this this couch. And then they go into the
history. The history about how Janelle

(40:49):
was married to Meri's brother and she So I don't remember if
they even talk about. I don't think they bring it up
at all in the season prior to this.
We've talked about it a bit because of the book, and there's
more things to unfurl as we movealong.
But she married Meri's brother at 19 years old and she says it

(41:09):
lasted a year. Yeah, a year, year and a half or
whatever. She's she's so funny about what
she doesn't want to talk about. When she doesn't want to talk
about something she doesn't like, maybe necessarily do an
adamacy that she's not going to speak about it.
She's just vague and bullet points and whatever.
Like she's so vague when she wants to be.
I love the fact that she goes and people just kind of want to
make a big deal out of this, butI guess I don't see why it's

(41:30):
such a big day. Like it's like what?
Right. Like you were married.
To your sister wife. Was your sister-in-law?
And no. Yes, please.
Stop like this does require probably a healthy paragraph to
describe what the fuck happened and you're making it seem like
you know whatever and this is what she's she's just.
A person and a marriage and it'sover now.

(41:52):
And now that's where we are today.
Everyone's young, everyone livesin a teepee for a couple hours.
Like what are you talking about?Fucking Janelle.
This is that teepee is definitely divorce after
divorce. It has to be after divorce
because then she references 2 years later she was in love with
Kody and she knew Kody was the man she wanted to marry two
years later. So after getting divorced from
Meri's brother. Which is so funny because when

(42:14):
you see wedding photos of Meri and Kody getting married, I
don't know if they're at the cake or what they're doing, but
to the direct side of I believe Kody is Janelle because she's
there for their wedding because she's married to Meri's brother.
Well, we knew she was at the wedding, but she's in a photo
with the cake. Oh yeah, she's, I mean, she's up
there like bridal party because you know, she's Meri's

(42:36):
sister-in-law. She's right there with them.
Janelle's telling of the story on she.
Was. So.
Vague. OK, OK, OK, let's get down to.
Let's really talk about this though.
Yeah, OK. So we do truly believe that
Janelle and Kody had a healthy sex life.
Oh, OK. I don't sure.

(42:56):
Let's go with yes. I think yes.
I think we believe that Janelle and Kody had a healthy sex life,
yes. OK.
So I think we could potentially come to the conclusion that
there was a physical attraction between Janelle and Kody while
Janelle was married as a 19 yearold.

(43:17):
I think that seems very likely. And then I'm not going to call
Janelle a Hussey. I want to because I kind of want
that for her, for her to have a little danger and excite.
Yeah, kids, I'm not suggesting that this is the correct
behavior. Janelle's living that whole
life, but. In polygamy can't.

(43:38):
I mean, it's a little. Anyway, I think it all started.
Yeah. Maybe at that cake photo.
She's looking at Kody at the wedding.
Like, I could definitely take some of that.
I could have him bouncing off ofmy backside, you know?
And he's feeling her, you know, wants and desire.

(43:59):
Because men like Kody, this is the thing, OK?
Men like Kody, if they feel likethey are wanted and desired,
they are. They are grabbing on and feeding
from that. And so you cannot tell me that
if Janelle had an attraction towards him, that he wasn't like

(44:19):
who? She likes me.
She likes me. You know, like, gross.
But come on. Yeah, it started there.
It started while they were, I'm assuming that I agreed that
while she was married to Meri's brother, there was something
like Kody was thinking about. He could grab onto those hips
and there's like cushion for thepushin and you know, the whole

(44:40):
thing. He was ready for it.
He was ready to give Janelle that little Kody, and she was
probably that. Little Kody.
She was ready for it. She was ready for little Kody,
but she had to get rid of that pesky husband of hers, so she
had to leave him and then, you know, somehow figure out a way
to live in ATP. On Kody.
Fuck him. She had to marry him.
Let's be honest. Yeah.

(45:01):
She did. She totally had to marry him.
Oh my. Ladies, we.
Don't have to make it this hard,OK?
You can just have sex with people without marrying them
like you can't. Do that.
That is true. It is against God's law, but it
is true. Anyway, God's law.
God's law. It's funny because then there's

(45:24):
like this part where Natalie seems to think, well, she says
that she thinks that they're well off because they have this
house and Kody's got his sports car and blah, blah, blah.
And even while she's saying thisto them, they are laughing.
And it is obviously I just like,obviously not true.
It's not like they hound on the fact that they're broke, but in

(45:45):
retrospect we hear later in the book they talk about it.
They are broke. They are broke as fuck when they
got this show. Like literally like trying to
not have the kids be hungry broke.
Yeah, I did think it was again, when they're trying to be like
open and transparent about stuff.
Right. Like they're open and
transparent about stuff. Yeah.

(46:07):
And this is definitely not one that they're trying to put on
the Like, they even they were like, Oh my God, thank you.
You think that Like, thank you. You know, it was, it was pretty
funny. They thought we had done a good
job of not looking like poor fuckers on TV or something.
Yeah. They said they were struggling
just like everyone else. And so this is a again, where

(46:30):
it's like the second time that they try to tie it along with we
are just like everyone else. And in theory they are.
I mean, I'm not trying to say they're inherently different
except that I guess you have a 5income household as opposed to
A2, you know, but that householdhas to be much larger.
So it was interesting. I don't know.
They talk about insurance and I think it's, I think it's

(46:54):
interesting that insurance comesup because in the culture they
don't often have insurance. And this is just something
that's kind of known. If you were to look into the AUB
or fundamentalist Mormons, they don't have insurance oftentimes,
oftentimes their employment, they oftentimes are poor as
families. There's entire concepts of like
wives scamming for food stamps and government support and

(47:17):
things like that. And I don't really know a lot of
details about that. So I I don't really know how to
dive into that. But one thing is for sure, what
the insurance has a connection to what we talked about before
with the hospital beds, they referenced Maddie having her
appendix burst or something and how Janelle's like, we are the
queen of payments. Like she's like, we are still
paying for that today. And Amen.
I mean, people are paying for medical things all the time.

(47:40):
But I have a feeling that Kody'sway of explaining how their
insurance work was like rose colored glasses.
I suspect they might have had moments, but no one was insured
or maybe just one of the wives or something like that.
It's a common thing in the culture to not have insurance
and do not go to the hospital and to deal with those
consequences. But do you think that part of

(48:01):
the not having that is it's not just like some religious belief
about like anti western medicineor something?
It's literally about the fact that as a human being father,
you cannot afford to insure 16 children and four wives.

(48:25):
Like what's that insurance policy?
Like for real, like unless everyone and even if you are
just a, you know, one husband, one wife, I was going to say
normal family and I didn't. Then I was like, let's not
because let's not. But even if you are A2 spouse
family with four children, ensuring that is astronomical.

(48:49):
So like you cannot tell me that there is a way in which they
really were doing super great financially that any of that
could ever make sense. And so I feel like part of the
reason that the religion teachesthis way about like Western
medicine is because they literally no, none of their
people are going to be able to afford to go to a hospital.

(49:11):
Yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense.
I mean even if we take the Browns as an example, if every
wife had a full time job with full benefits then maybe she
could cover her own children butit would still be insane.
They wouldn't really have an income, they literally just pay
for insurance. Yeah, so it just struck me that

(49:33):
it seemed like Kody's way of talking about it was a bit
glossy, was a bit like, and I let's not look over here, like
look over here, not over here. But also, what are you going to
do? I mean, what you're saying makes
total sense. It's really interesting to catch
that little detail. It was like a not even 32nd
conversation about insurance. And then my brain went, holy
fuck, none of your kids have insurance.

(49:55):
It's like, that's that's insane.And do you know what that that
makes families not go get their children medical attention when
they need it like. Yeah.
Not that we're foreshadowing anything in the future, which we
are, but that's true. And even as someone who grew up
in a family that didn't have much, I think economically we

(50:17):
were. My family was probably in line
with the Browns as far as our lifestyle and what we had and
what we did. My parents both had jobs where
they were able to. One of them was able to provide
insurance for us as kids. And like, when I look back at my
childhood, all the things I didn't get, wah, wah, wah, like
whatever. We were able to go to the doctor
and we were able to like be seenwhen needed.

(50:38):
And that's such a benefit of like a traditional monogamous
family if you have the benefit of having these benefits.
Well, it's just one of the simple things that like, I don't
think parents, I mean, if I'm being honest, like family is
like this. I don't think that that's a
consideration in birthing your babies is how am I going to

(51:02):
insure them? Whereas and, and maybe it's not
in a lot of households and I'm totally detached from reality,
obviously, or like there's many different realities.
But like, I think having insurance for myself and my
children is extremely important.And so of course, of course
there are times that that can betaken away from you, but like at

(51:24):
least starting off at the beginning, at least starting off
at the very beginning. My intention is for everyone to
be insured. And yes, the rug can come out
from underneath us and crazy shit can happen.
And I don't blame anybody for anything but like to enter into
super large families with super many kids with no avenues of

(51:47):
employment to give you these options and probably not even
being able to apply for like state benefits.
Don't you imagine that they're not applying for any sort?
Of that's where the fraud. Handouts or anything like that?
Yes, you just said that from thebook.
Yeah. I mean, and the Browns try to
make it clear that that was not their MO.

(52:09):
I don't know how you prove that it wasn't your MO.
I don't know anyone digging intothe history.
But if there is a way that you know, like let's say none of the
Kody's not on any of Janelle's children's birth certificates,
so she gets to apply for state benefits and have her kids.
In charge. So she's a single parent, no
father in the in the. Household so I don't know that

(52:32):
that's what the Browns, but right.
So we don't have any specific evidence that that's what the
Browns did. But culturally in the AUB and
outliers, it's a common thing that that's part of the
governmental reason for why theydon't want these families to
happen is because people scam for benefits all the time.
Now, interesting. And I'm usually pretty pro
people scamming for benefits. I'm kidding.

(52:55):
I'm kidding. What I mean?
What I mean by that? We want every child to have
healthcare. Right.
So like, I, I'm cool if there's a small and, and it's all small
percent, if there's a small percentage of people abusing the
system, but because of the system in general, a vast
majority of people get to have assistance that would otherwise

(53:16):
not be there. I'm OK with the small percentage
scamming the system to have the others get the fucking benefit.
OK so like this is where I stand.
The polygamist can scam the system all they want to.
That's what I'm hearing. And so let them.
Oh, that's another self help book.

(53:36):
Worthy up, worthy up, that's what that's where Meri ends up
in the in the future. Worthy up, worthy up.
It's a complicated thing. And it's a little weird because
as an individual who doesn't have children, a single person,
a high priority for me when switching jobs when coming out
of a bout of unemployment of anything is getting insurance.
So it's weird to like have meltable people like all these

(54:00):
kids in your house uninsured. So maybe they weren't always
uninsured in this family. Maybe they were.
We don't know. So in one of the talking points
or one of the bullet points thatJanelle makes when they're when
Natalie, I'm not sure if Natalieasked her a specific question
about Robyn joining the family. But one of the things that
Janelle talks about with this current phase of their life is

(54:22):
that she had a few weeks where she didn't even want to talk to
Kody because, and I think this is a thing, like maybe there was
a question to every wife about their relationship with Kody.
And she was like, I did not wantto talk to Kody for weeks.
And she says, you know, I'm morelogical.
I'm pretty secure in who I am long before Robyn came into the
family. So it's interesting because
Janelle does have that kind of like IDGAF, like she doesn't

(54:45):
give a fuck. Like she is the worker.
Like, I love these labels. She's the logical 1 and she does
seem self confident in a way that you know she probably
doesn't need anyone's approval or whatever, but she could still
be upset with her husband for ignoring her and being Uber
attentive to someone that's not even part of their family.
I'm going to say two things. And number one, right before she

(55:09):
got into talking about how mad she was at Kody, they were
making points still about the financial bit, right?
And Janelle goes, Christine evencooks at home.
Like it's a message of like financial savings.
I was like God this. Is.
So long ago, like DoorDash didn't didn't even exist back

(55:29):
then. It was just very funny.
Like they're taking their familyout to dinner every night.
Oh. My God, it was like, no,
Christine cooks at home for the family, for your children.
Like, Oh my gosh, I just, the way she phrased it was
hysterical. Christine's the We have
McDonald's at home parent and and Janelle's like, yeah, we do.

(55:50):
And it's like, well, bitch, you weren't going to make it anyway.
But you know, yes, that was a funny moment.
It caught me off guard. I was like, OK, I love Christine
even cooked it up like because you all are cooking at home,
shut up. But you're just anyway, you're
not. But.
Well, Janelle's probably microwaving some stuff at home.
She's probably got a toaster oven on the counter.

(56:12):
I mean, she's, you know, whatever.
Logan is cooking at home. Logan's cooking for Janelle at
home. Yes, that's so true.
We love you, Logan. OK, I already.
Forgot my first point, no. That was your first point.
Your second point. My second .0 she didn't want to
talk to Kody for a few weeks. I did think it was funny that
she never really said why. Yeah, she didn't get into

(56:35):
details about it. I just assumed it.
Like I said, I I thought it was the bag.
Like not spending time with them, with some other woman.
Kind of like this. The nests.
I think that is where I was going with it was that what I
think is different between how Meri and Christine evaluate
their relationship with Kody andhow Janelle does okay because

(56:57):
some of the feeling Ness stuff is not bothering to know that
she could give 2 shits. She doesn't care about that
stuff. What Janelle needs is routine
and dependability. And so she thought that she kind
of had that. She thought she was getting
those things from him as she needed them, and then all of a

(57:17):
sudden that's what was dropping for her, right?
That's what was taken away from her because she would be able
to. I'm going to figure out how I
need to do these 9 1/2 out of 10things, but there is 1/2 a thing
I need Kody for. And I know he's going to be here
on Thursday so I can get this done on Thursday and then I can

(57:40):
move on with the rest of my life.
And then Kody doesn't show up onThursday and now she is like, I
literally needed you for half ofone thing and you weren't there
for me. And I think it's funny that it's
so different. I think it's so different why
he's needed for each of them. And it speaks to their
personalities. And I think that you're right.
I think that Janelle's is about those things routine and.

(58:04):
Dependability. Dependability, yes.
If and when she needs a person, she now has the slot that I can
depend on this person and I've I've learned to lean into
depending on this person for theslot of things that I need.
And now he's nowhere to be found.
And now I'm fucking pissed. Like I'm not even sad and boohoo
and whatever. I'm mad because I want 1 little

(58:28):
thing from you and I cannot get that.
And who knows, maybe when Kody comes around, he's less
interested in doing the cushion for the pushin like we were
talking about earlier, because Robyn's in the picture now.
And it's like, do not take away little Kody from Janelle.
Do not do it. Do not do it.
Do you think that he got to a point that he could only

(58:51):
sexually satisfy one out of his three wives instead of one out
of his three wives? One out of his four wives
instead of one of his. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I fucked it up. You know, I don't know.
It would be. That's so funny.
It's such a a chin scratcher. I'm literally scratching my chin

(59:12):
scratching like, you know, hmm. I'd like to think that Kody
could really give it to Janelle,and I'd like to think that she
could take it. But do you think it got to a
point that he wasn't giving? I know.
And then she thought, probably, Why do I even have you?
Yeah, I think so little foreshadowing.

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I mean, he's just I'm a piece ofmeat to her.
And it's like, well, maybe you are.
And maybe one of the. That's the only thing you.
Can do for me. Literally I was hoping for 110th
of an effort one day a week and you fucked that up so at least
make me yell your name like I don't know.
I think it's so funny because. I don't.
Oh Jesus Christ. Jesus, Jesus.

(59:58):
So I was walking around a cornerat work today and somebody
scared me when I opened the doorand I screamed Jesus Christ.
Oh gosh. And it was so loud and it was
right behind, like a public area.
It was so bad. Blasphemous.
It's like you fucking asshole. I'll pray for you tonight,
honey. I'll pray for you.
When they transitioned into talking about Christine and her

(01:00:21):
background and whatever they start with how she knows what
she wants and she gets it. This kind of like, oh, La La,
la, la. Because she knew she wanted to
be a polygamist. She knew she wanted to be the
third wife and she knew this andshe knew that and she got it
all. And in my mind, I'm going, it's
funny that she's the first one who like blatantly later is

(01:00:42):
cool. Like, OK, maybe she's not the
first, that's blatantly clear, but she's the 1st that really
pounds it in how unhappy she is and how she doesn't like this
and the problems with the family.
And that's many, many years later.
But this tee up now in season 1,is that like she knew what she
wanted and she went ahead and got it.
And it's like, well, be careful what you fucking wish for a girl

(01:01:04):
because you got it and it's a shit show.
And now you're married to Kody fucking Brown.
So I thought that was an interesting way to tee it up,
given that we know what happens in the future.
I think she did have like a thought process and like
strategy behind what she was doing, which was interesting.

(01:01:25):
I think. I believe that that was her
legitimate strategy. Yeah, I think I.
Do it seems like that was intentional.
You mentioned to like what happens in the future and I
while Christine may appear to bethe first one that like starts
to like complain and be super honest about things, I think
that's mostly just because we will find that she is the first

(01:01:49):
one to be comfortable with showing that level of emotion
and frustration about some things.
I could be wrong about that, butI just feel like everybody was
equally as frustrated as she wasand she's painted as the only
one that got mad about it or something.
And I think it'll, I think the writing was on the wall for

(01:02:10):
others a lot sooner than what people acknowledge it.
But anyway, this was the examplewhen they did the second showing
of a clip with them all watchingand they watched truly.
'S. Now, before we move on to truly,
I wanted to point out that I think this whole the ambition of

(01:02:32):
Christine's, this goal, this thing that she wanted and she
manufactured it for her. She manifested, she made it
happen. It is she wanted it, she got it.
I feel like there's something juvenile about it that strikes
me as Christine's thing. It reminds me of something when
you're like 13 or you're, you'rea teenager and you have this,
this is what I want to do. And then you become a young

(01:02:55):
adult and then you go through some life experiences and it's
like she ends up in a way forcing herself into the family.
And I hate to put it that way, but she literally like she
wanted and she made it happen. But it sounded like something
that like a 22 year old, howeverold she was when they got
married, maybe that wouldn't be that person's goal.

(01:03:15):
It was something she decided long ago and was going to stick
with it. And it's very kind of, once
again, a little uneducated, a little haven't seen the world, a
little whatever. And it also to me, speaks to
Christine's nest that as we get to know her more, she's a
fucking 13 year old girl. She's straight up.
Well, she's naive, like part of the whole, like you're saying a

(01:03:38):
lot of different things there. And some of it is about how she
was maybe being strategic or what's the word persistent or
whatever else, right? I think that all applies.
But I think that behind some of that was like naiveness and

(01:04:00):
immaturity. I think that we can see as
Christine ages that she has still the same, she's still her,
but she like analyzes things a lot differently and you you can
tell that she reads situations and rooms and things differently

(01:04:24):
a little bit and just maybe understands it.
The way that you would respond to a situation today.
She would respond to that back then very differently if she
could, you know, like looking atcurrent day situation versus
what was happening back then. She seemed a little naive and
just silly about some shit, you know?

(01:04:46):
Well, and to me, she just has this like Disney teenage thing.
Like I feel like she is stuck with a little bit of her stuck
with like My Little Ponies and playing dolls, making up
scenarios. Like I swear there's a part of
her that's like. She's cheesy, She's cheesy.
Cheesy. Cheesy.
AF, cheesy AF, and I don't know,whatever.

(01:05:07):
So they do have just these couple of moments where they, at
least on camera, show them play a flashback to the actual show,
to the time that it happened. And one of that they made them
rewatch Truly's birth video in the hospital.
That was pretty special. I thought There were lots of

(01:05:27):
tears. Everyone cried.
It seem genuine, like again, there are just some of these
moments that you look at all of them together and you think
maybe this could work. Yeah, yeah.
As we know, it doesn't, but I thought that was touching.
I like that that was one of the moments they replayed and not

(01:05:48):
just like another dramatic moment that was going to like
cause a fight or something like that.
Like I thought that was a plus. It was a nice gift to give
Christine for this episode, particularly that one of her
highlights, one of her bullet points was the birth of her
child. And everyone is teary eyed and
everyone's like feeling the feels and it was a positive
moment, so I guess that's good. Yes.

(01:06:12):
I guess I mean, it truly was special.
Yes, it truly was. Yeah.
We're not looking for advertisers, OK?
It's fine. Definitely not truly.
But like, you know, two birds, one stone.
We're truly not looking for an advertiser.
Two birds, one stone. OK after that.

(01:06:33):
Moving on there. Yep.
So the baby was born. I thought it was funny,
Christine, she was having like amoment of reflection and she
said that she had not understoodwhat Meri and Janelle had gone
through with her joining the family.

(01:06:57):
And I thought that was a good tidbit, right?
I don't think her joining the family was probably as dramatic
as like, what's happening now. But maybe it was like, maybe it
was because, again, there was 16years before they brought Robyn
in, right? So like, what was all that time

(01:07:20):
like? And maybe that's part of the
reason why they didn't. So, like, I don't know.
But she recognized now that Robyn's coming in what the other
two had gone through, and I thought that was important.
Yeah, There was also a little moment between her and Robyn
where she referenced something about that and Rob, you know,
like being replaced by Robyn or something.
And Robyn was like, I'm not replacing you.

(01:07:42):
Like even in the moment, there'sthis little she was.
Like honey, no, I didn't mean that or something like, you
know, and. It's like, OK, well.
But they can still have the feelings that they're having
about their situation changing. And I think that's what's
interesting is that they're trying not to make it as a
personal attack against Robyn because it's not a personal

(01:08:03):
attack against Robyn. It's an attack against or a
complaint against their husband and the new situation that they
all are in it and the dynamic with him.
It's it's not that she's awful, she's terrible.
Get rid of her. And it never was that from the
beginning. And oh, interesting thinking

(01:08:23):
about this, Kody always receivedit as them attacking Robyn, and
they knew, and they said it overand over again.
We're not attacking Robyn. This has nothing to do with
Robyn. We're talking to you.
This is about you. And he could never hear it
because he thought they were attacking Robyn.
No how many years later it's thesame story, second verse, same

(01:08:46):
as the first. Shocking.
Everyone's attacking Robyn. Shocking.
We did not expect this to be coming, ladies and gentlemen.
We really didn't. It would take a rocket scientist
and a brain surgeon to know whatthe future holds.
Thank God we're both. Yes, also medical doctors.
I mean, it's just, Oh my God, I just did like a Nene League's
face that was. Ridiculous Legal disclaimer.

(01:09:07):
Legal disclaimer. Oh yeah, we're none of those
things. We tell you at the beginning.
We are literally deadbeat loserslike we are deadbeat losers.
We're none of those things. They have a moment to where it's
like the whole Kody picked the dress for.
Oh my God, she's still mad aboutthe dress.
That's what I wrote down. Still mad about the dress.
As she should be. I'm not over it either.

(01:09:29):
She doesn't have to be. Yeah, I mean, she's holding on
to it. And like, I would too, Kody
intimates that he's still payingfor that bomb drop.
And it's like, well, OK, yeah. I mean, like when you upset a
spouse and you do whatever, yeah, pour him.
I mean, like, yeah, your wife's fucking pissed at you.
And she should have been. And I mean, she should be over
by now. I don't know how much time has
passed. I don't know your details, but

(01:09:50):
like, yeah, dude. Like when you and then when they
show the, the, the clip back where he's like, I got a bomb to
drop and he does this like tongue out the mouth thing.
It's so much gross. The more times you see it.
It's so gross. It's so gross.
Oh. The shirt was like yellow too
wasn't it Yellow stripe? Yeah, yeah.
Gross. Sorry, I'll try not to gag next

(01:10:12):
time. Try not to gag when you're
talking about Kody, please. This was all finishing up on
Christine, the whole dress piece, whatever.
Yeah, she's still mad. He feels like.
Poor me. And she said that she felt
jealous and abandoned. Like that's one of the things
that she felt like as this wholetransition was coming about with

(01:10:36):
Robyn, they didn't leave it on like a bomb drop note or
something like that. But she did say she was feeling
jealous and abandoned. And great way to start.
And then they talk about Robyn, the trophy wife.
The trophy wife, you know, I don't know what as Kody's trophy

(01:10:57):
wife, Kody's trophy wife. Well, obviously it's Kody's
trophy wife, but I don't really know what to say about the whole
like trophy wife thing. I I don't really I mean, she's
younger and she's the new model.I guess she's not much of A
trophy. She's like a third place dinged
up bronze medal. I mean, I don't even know but.
I know the appeal to me is less than normal as well, but the

(01:11:19):
descriptors for Robyn were that she was sweet and emotional,
yeah. Oh God.
That was Robyn's descriptor. So if I want to page back and
look at the others, I'm like, Ohmy God.
But she's sweet and emotional. She's very sweet and emotional.
She when Robyn's like talking atone point she says that she had

(01:11:41):
a list that she wanted in a mateand Kody meets them all.
And in my mind I'm going is the list a TV show?
Debt relief snap an unnecessary father figure.
Like what is your list? Literally Like OK, he has a
pulse and he could bring about money and pay off your debt and

(01:12:03):
be an unnecessary father for your children that already have
a father. I mean.
Listen, you completely misread that situation because what she
really meant I'm. Sure I did.
And actually said out loud was that she was trying to learn how
to become more selfless. That's what this whole

(01:12:23):
experience is. Therefore, so it it's it after
her list of the qualities in theman that's going to really
perfect her life. The goal is for it all to make
her more selfless. You can ponder that for a
minute. I wonder if there's a doll

(01:12:45):
called Selfless from the American like doll collect,
whatever those things are. Like maybe there's a $500 dress
for a doll called Selfless and she saved up for that.
I'd like to see on her gold journey where she marks her
path. Selfless with like glittered

(01:13:05):
stars. I did it.
Lisa Frank sticker selfless. Look it, I did it.
I made it all the way there. I'm perfectly selfless now.
She's such an idiot. She's so dumb.
Oh my God. I did note that Meri when one of
the B roller flashback moments, Meri had her long hair.

(01:13:28):
She's got her long hair and I love that about this first
season. There's only things at the
beginning and the end where Meri's got her long hair and
it's like, oh, those that oh, puddle monkey with that long
hair footage throwing that in there.
I think one of the questions that they were asked was why
after 16 years did you now choose that this is the time for

(01:13:50):
the 4th wife, right? Which we know this has been in
consideration at least very early on in the marriage based
on their book. And I think I wish we knew more
about the interim 16 years, but I think what Meri described it

(01:14:11):
as was right person, right time.Like just how somehow this being
magically landed in their laps and they were like, Yep, this is
it. This is what we're going to do.
We're going to get that fourth wife now.
Because even though they had courted someone at least one
other person before who was technically a minor, and I don't

(01:14:32):
know that that's, you know, whatever, that's fine.
But Kody refers was a minor. I know, I know.
I checked it with legal and theythey said but technical in front
of that. Yeah.
Now they totally quartered a minor who backed up before she
turned 18. Kody said that he had an ick
factor. That was funny.

(01:14:52):
This is. He's so full of fucking shit.
He is so full of fucking shit. Like he's downplaying the entire
thing. What was the ick factor, Chris?
What was the ick factor? That she had children.
She was divorced. She was divorced with kids.
What was my favorite part after that?
Oh, I don't know. When Janelle says, you know,

(01:15:15):
lots of people have been divorced, just in case you
forgot. Yeah, because Janelle is his
second wife that he's now married post divorce.
Granted she didn't have childrenin the mix, but she also was
like fuck you motherfucker, basically.
It was kind of like a peanut gallery comment, like she's like
back here. Like Remember Me?

(01:15:35):
Lots of people get divorced. Your second wife.
Yes, Kody, forward-looking. Turns out it happens a few more
times. Kody's real bright.
Oopsie. One of the things that when, you
know, during Robyn's segment is that she talks about how she's
always crying and then there's like a Janelle moment where

(01:15:57):
she's like, oh, Robyn's crying again.
He's. Like the joke of the family,
only Robyn always cries. She's crying again.
Yes I had an LOL moment for sureL0L 0L0 LOLOLOL it was so good.
Especially because I mean, like,OK, like coming from Chanel, it

(01:16:17):
just puts the frosting on that cake.
Because Janelle. Handle your.
I know because Janelle's just straight shooter chick and it's
like, Oh my God, Robyn, shut thefuck up.
And particularly because she is so performative and most of
those tears are not real. That just makes it so much more
like insane. And I mean, Robyn can't get
through a paragraph without starting to.

(01:16:38):
It's like, oh shut the fuck up, girl.
Yeah, I don't I so I'm having some personal struggles with
this, Chris. Yes.
Because. Tell me.
Kevin's a Libra and I just like,I wanted to give her the benefit

(01:17:01):
of the doubt in one moment. And I don't think it was this
particular one, to be fair. But in one moment there was
something that was being said and they were talking about
Robyn and all this and I wanted to give her like a little like,
oh, maybe she really is XYZABC. And then I was like, no, I can't

(01:17:21):
do that. Like, I can't give her a pass
for every single behavior by thinking that really her intent.
I don't believe her intentions are the best.
I don't believe that she's just like innocently stumbling upon
all of these things that upset people.
I don't think that's the case. And so if she was, she would fix

(01:17:44):
them appropriately, I kind of think, or they would just be
done though. And that is what it is.
But like, I don't think she's just accidentally stumbling upon
all of this trouble. What does that have to do with
being a Libra? Because I'm a.
Because. You're, I know, I know.
I'm like, OK, it's just literally that you're like, I
can't have this shared thing with this person because she's

(01:18:05):
so ridiculous. I think that I, I think that
typically with Libras that are feelers, like actual feelers,
that if you, if you are affecting somebody else in a
way, in a certain way that really bothers you, like that
certainly bothers you and she does get her SOB and Robyn
feelings, whatever, but also like she doesn't change her

(01:18:26):
behavior in any fashion except to benefit her.
I think that we've seen and I think that's a little different.
I think that a typical Libra caters to others a little bit
more. I'm not saying 150%, but I'm
saying at least enough that you're probably not thinking

(01:18:46):
they're the asshole all the time.
You might think they're the asshole.
But when they're being an asshole.
Correct. Like they're an asshole moment.
Yeah. But outside of that?
Now, I don't think it's like a general, like they're always a
Dick and looking out for themselves over others.
I just don't think that's the vibe of the the sign.
Yeah. And so I struggle with trying to

(01:19:08):
pinpoint her behaviors and her actions with that, and then
figure out where she's genuine and where she's not.
I don't know, I'm confused. I agree, I don't really know how
to read her. There are times in the future
when talking about sexual orientation that I think her
genuineness comes out. I know.

(01:19:30):
And I'm saying that from the lens of a queer person, where
when she's speaking. To.
Children that are queer or abouther friends that are same sex
partnerships and they want to get married and she's all about
that. And she demonstrates the
sensitivity. So to me, of course, I paint
through my contacts. I'm like, oh, she's a genuine
person when talking about that. But I don't know, I can't read

(01:19:52):
her genuineness at all. God, and this is so bad.
But then part of me starts to think like if she just really
felt like she never fit in from the beginning.
And that's like one of the most uncomfortable feelings right as
not. And I'm not saying just like
Libra sign, I'm saying like human being in general, but like

(01:20:13):
if you just literally never feellike you fit in in your daily
life. And then I'm adding on my
experience personally with like just that vibe for me and those
insecurities and things. Yeah, it makes you a.
Pretty not typical version of yourself, right?
And so maybe there's an aspect of that to her.

(01:20:34):
Like, I don't know, I'm, I'm just trying to put all of these
pieces into different places because I don't think I'm coming
out of this giving Robyn a pass.PS by the way.
But I'm trying to understand what the differentiations are
with how and why she's making these decisions and these

(01:20:54):
choices, because I'm still a little confused, you know?
Kody also seems to be confused. Imagine, imagine Kody's fucking
confused because he talks about turning to God and he questions
his faith over marrying Robyn. And I feel like it's interesting
how people can validate anythingby saying that like, oh, I guess

(01:21:15):
I'm just, you know, courting this wife and like now I'm in
love with her and whatever, but I had to really look inside and,
and question God and question myfaith.
And it's like, did you really? I mean, I don't know.
Anyone could just say I asked God and he said sure, go for it.
And I'm like, yeah, cool. So this is what I'm doing now.
It's just kind of some bullshit.I feel like he's just so full of
shit. I just want to understand, do

(01:21:36):
people actually do this? You sit there and you feel like
you're talking to a higher power.
And I'm, I'm not trying to be a Dick.
I know that some people do have a level and aspect of that that
happens. But when I try to have these
conversations, all it is is my own voice in my head rambling

(01:21:57):
that gets me nowhere and I can'tcome to any solution.
So I mean, I guess I'm good really helpful if people have
like the conclusion that they get from that.
For me, I just go on the hamsterwheel and that's just how it
happens, you know? I've never really understood
that because I personally have not heard a booming voice in the

(01:22:19):
sky telling me what to do. So I look at the nuances and the
direction and the opportunity and the situations as outcomes
from a creator, not God telling me like, go for it, buddy.
Like, I don't even know what that means.
I don't, I don't hear a voice inmy head either.
So I don't know. But you know, Kody might be
hearing voices. Well, he's hearing and seeing

(01:22:43):
something. Kody hears a lot of voices.
Most of them are himself. Hear me.
Kody I. Don't know copyright?
Can't do it. We know all the words, We
actually just cannot sing the song for you due to copyright
infringement. Kody, can you touch me?

(01:23:04):
Says Robyn. Oh Jesus, I'm falling apart.
Oh God. Oh God.
Robyn also talks about how the teenagers come over and raid her
closet. And I'm like, OK, girl, like,
Amen. Once again, you're 30 and I
don't know, maybe if you're thirty teenagers can raid your
closet. But I feel like it's once again
her being like, I'm like 15 years old but with a lot of
experience in baggage like grossgross.

(01:23:26):
They said she brought a strengthand coolness.
Yes, yes, of course. Also brought down the GPA but
other than that like. Brought down the GPA.
Like their grade point average? Robyn did.
Smart. Yeah, and Kody talks about how
Robyn's kids are my kids. I wouldn't take anything away

(01:23:50):
from their other dad. Their other dad?
You mean their actual dad? And by the way, that is not
true. You literally go out of your way
to take them away from their dad.
You got yourself a like as theiradopted father when they
actually had a father. Yeah.
So, yeah, we'll get into that later.

(01:24:11):
We don't need to get into that because whatever.
Oh God, they ask if there's evergoing to be 1/5.
Oh God. Robyn's on the roof with Natalie
and she asks if there will ever be a fifth wife and Robyn says,
well I don't think so, but I mean what if they had said no

(01:24:34):
after a third? Then I wouldn't be here.
So I can't say no to nothing after me.
She's so bright, so logical. If I ever had a problem, I'd go
to Robyn Brown. So after they wrap up the
sumMeri of Robyn and her gifts to the family, her presence, her
light, her love, Kody is asked about what he's like on the show

(01:24:59):
versus in real life. Or something, I don't remember.
Do you feel like you've been portrayed well on the?
Show Oh, Natalie, such a investigative reporter and he
says I think I'm more dramatic than on the show, which I was
like, mind blown. He's like a cartoon character,

(01:25:20):
like he's out of control and ridiculous.
Thank God they tamed him down. What?
What is he talking about? You shouldn't have been able to
be yourself. It's if it's worse than this.
Oh my God, what does he call himself that he thinks of
himself as he thinks of himself as a?
OK. Natalie asks.
Oh, OK. Oh, so you know, you remember

(01:25:40):
the question. Do you consider yourself a
Playboy? And he says I am not a Playboy,
I am a party boy. Yeah, I'm a party boy.
What the fuck's a party, boy? I think a party, I don't know.
I thought a party boy would be like a college boy who's like

(01:26:00):
sleeping around. So I don't know.
And then the next term is that he is an enigma.
Enigma. That's my favorite.
So. No one gets him because he's an
enigma. He is super humble and that's
all I know. Yeah, no, he's an enigma and he
says no one gets him. And I'm going yeah, we sure as
fuck don't. Nobody gets you, Kody Brown.

(01:26:21):
Nobody gets you because you don't make any sense.
The Meri getting fired bit. I don't even know what that's
all about. So they didn't say what her job
was. No.
And I'm going like my Spidey sense is not like in this story.
I don't even know that it's actually true.
I don't even know that I believeit.
I don't know. I wish we had additional detail,
but they said that she was firedbecause of the show coming out.

(01:26:45):
Then there was like an investigation potentially.
Into their family. Uh huh.
From from like the Lehigh PoliceDepartment or something for
bigamy. Bigamy.
Yeah, Having more? Than one spouse.
That's the crime, right? Yeah, yeah.
There's general voice over discussion, like I guess

(01:27:07):
Natalie, the narrator, the the interviewer in the narrator
discussion about polygamy being illegal and the things about all
of that and whatever. And you know, Kody's when, when
they're asked questions, they defer to, well, they defer to,
we're going to defer to our lawyers.
I don't know. They kind of try to distinguish
it a little bit like we are justliving together.

(01:27:31):
They're not legal marriages here.
So how can these laws if it's not something legally?
I'm not trying to legally say I'm married to four people,
right? So how can you come at me?
Like if you and I were living asspouses but without the
paperwork, then why would that be illegal?
Correct. Yeah.

(01:27:51):
And like I, I'm there for it, right?
Like I'm there for that. They are not trying to break a
law of religious ceremony versusa legal document is a very
different thing as we know. So I'm fine with that.
Like I think that's kind of interesting that that's how
they, you know, had to play it apart.
They're just cohabitating, but it's not a legal marriage.

(01:28:14):
Yeah, fine. And then we defer to our
attorneys. We defer to our attorneys.
We defer to our, we are not attorneys.
We defer to our attorneys. Yeah, and that rationale does
make sense. I don't quite understand how it
is that, Yeah, you persecute or,excuse me, prosecute someone for
pretending to be married. I don't really know what that
means. I thought it was interesting

(01:28:36):
that they cut away to Jonathan Turley as their attorney.
He's now an analyst for Fox News.
And Jonathan Turley has some interesting perspectives on the
world. I don't know how like if his
starts are in Utah or if he's more like a get for the family
through some PR media agent blahblah blah.
Those that are putting together our cork board with yarn strings

(01:29:02):
and fact checking statistics, all of that we'd love to know
anymore you can tell us about. How does Jonathan Turley know
the Brown family? How did he get involved?
And is there any more? Because I don't know that we'll
ever see or hear from him again when it comes.
To the Browns, he kind of said like, there's no evidence of
abuse or crimes. And I think that was accurate.

(01:29:25):
Like, I don't, I mean, I'm cool what he was saying.
I think works. Yeah.
And then that was kind of the last of the legal woes of it
all, I think, right? Yeah, then it was transitioned
into talking about tabloids and.Fans and tabloids.
Yeah, they all joke about it howthere's like every week there's
a different wife leaving and blah, blah, blah.

(01:29:45):
And it's something you got to get used to.
And there was anything unexpected that they said, I
don't know anything stand out toyou.
My favorite thing was that Natalie asked.
If you did want to leave, could you?
Yes, yes. And Kody says that the women
wanted to leave, they'd get the kids and he would work double

(01:30:08):
time to support that. He would request that they still
live next door if possible, but he wasn't demanding it, He just
thought that could be convenientand that yes, he will pay for
everything. And he made eye contact with
Christine when he was first talking about this.
And it was almost like an intensity where I was like, it

(01:30:29):
made my my mind go like he's looking at Christine and saying
this almost. I think like his perspective was
probably to like validate that you are here of your own free
will and you can leave anytime. It just stuck out to me as like
a quasi guest lady, quasi manipulative power holder move.
I don't know. It did.

(01:30:50):
It made me feel uncomfortable. I think what is so funny is one
of the things he said at the beginning of this interview
episode, whatever, was that he couldn't control his wives.
Yeah. Yes.
And so he said that and that he was well trained and what not,
right? What I think is funny is that he

(01:31:14):
may not be able to control them,but he also stopped being able
to manipulate them and to gas like them.
Yeah, I think that early on, with his demeanor and the vibes
going on, it didn't come across the way it did.

(01:31:36):
And then I think once things changed and he was being
questioned and he was being pushed and he was being hounded
to do things differently than what he had decided and chosen,
I don't think that registered well to him.
And so I think he changed dramatically.
And we see it literally happen in front of our faces.
Yeah. So I think it's just
interesting. I think the words were fine when

(01:31:58):
they were said about what they were said, but that's not how it
all continues as it all plays out for this family.
Interesting first kind of roundup, season finale, blah
blah blah of the show. We still have one more episode
of the season like we were talking about earlier, where
Kody and Robyn go on a honeymoon.
I'm prepared to vomit in my mouth and swallow it.

(01:32:19):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how I felt
after watching this a little bit.
Like it was almost, it was way more fun to see the moments of
the family kind of playing out than it was to see them
analyzing it, because we're still analyzing it from like
30,000 feet. And we're just like, you're all

(01:32:39):
fucking wrong, you know, What are you?
Doing yes, yes. It's it's interesting.
I'll be curious to see how the next one goes.
So before we do our keep sweet moment, we've got to do mustard
seed and shit stain. I already know my mustard seed.
If you want me to go, my mustardseed is Janelle.
My mustard seed is Janelle. Because her eyes and her hair
look great. That blouse was popping.

(01:33:00):
She looked great. And call me a shallow gay man,
but when you're on TV, you should probably look fucking
good if you can. And she looked good.
Now, do I think she had any control over that?
No. Do I think she made any choices?
Absolutely not. But she rocked the assignment.
She showed up and someone made her look great.
So I'm giving Janelle my mustardseed because I thought she

(01:33:22):
looked the best out of everyone.I thought she looked really
pretty. I have to give her the mustard
seed. I fully agree and fully support
that. And I think it's one of the few
times we see that happen for Janelle.
And I think that Janelle also looks that beautiful all the
time or could look that beautiful all the time.
Like I don't think it's actuallythat hard to like do a little
something to her hair and her makeup and make an improvement

(01:33:45):
and look, I get it. I look like a troll half the
time and more than half the time.
But you know, we can try a little harder and it can look a
little better. So I am going to give my mustard
seed to Christine and my mustardseed to Christine is because I
truly, even though it was kind of like the PR Ness about the

(01:34:05):
church and whatnot. I think those were her true
beliefs at that point in time. I don't think it was just about
putting on a show about what wasbeing put out there.
And I think that she was pretty open and honest about all of the
feels about all of the things that happened.
And she even did try to like rein it in about getting mad

(01:34:26):
about the dress the second time.So I think she's doing pretty
good with trying to navigate this while still also not being
a fake phony bitch about it. Yeah.
So I'm appreciating that about her.
Amen. My shit stain is your mustard
seed. Hysterical.

(01:34:47):
Because I recognize now and it will only unfold and unfro more.
How Christine is a stunted teenager as an adult.
And it really just kind of rubs me the wrong way because I feel
like in life, if you miss like early adult opportunities and

(01:35:08):
things that craft who you becomeas a person and like life
experiences and you know, because she grew up how she grew
up. So I can't fault her for her at
all. But I'm also like, girl, you're
a grown ass woman with a bunch of kids and the Disney vibes are
too much for me. I don't like it.
So she's getting my shit stained.
And I'm not, I'm not a hater. I'm not even mad.
She's got to get my shit stainedin this episode.
I'm so torn because I want to bemad at Robyn but they really

(01:35:35):
didn't do a lot of talking aboutRobyn so to be honest like she
was kept a little bit down further than the others so I
feel like it's unfair for me to pick Robyn.
I think I have to go with Kody and truthfully it's just because
of General Kody Brown vibes. Not even anything super specific

(01:35:59):
or crazy that he did, just that he's the only one deserving of
it at this point. He's an enigma shit stain.
Oh, oh, that's what he was looking for, I think the whole
time. He's a shit stain wrapped in an
enigma and not cash. Well you just made his dreams
come true, so that's shitty. Stain Kody Brown.

(01:36:22):
My God, we're both singing. We're both singing.
I know there's a lot of theater.Kody, can you hear me?
Kody, can you hear me? Kody, you're a shit stain.
This week's keep sweet moment comes to us from Kaylee and it
is a comment on TikTok. And the little background on
this is we uploaded a video about Kody talking about his

(01:36:45):
buns of steel and how he's, you know, whatever, he's just a
piece of meat and blah, blah, blah.
And Kaylee says, quote. I've never seen Kody and Jlo in
a room at the same time. Oh.
My God, I think it's. Amazing.
Because it's like, yes, like Kody and Jlo.
Like maybe yeah. Never seen Jlo and Kody in the
same room. If he would keep his mouth

(01:37:07):
closed, I would think he would look far more attractive.
And if you can't? Speak at the same time.
Yeah, no speaking keeps. His mouth closed.
Moving forward, Moving forward, yes.
So our next episode will be a rewatch of the honeymoon with
Kody and Robyn. Neither one of us has seen this.
Can't wait. I'm hoping that we just get to

(01:37:29):
like tear Robyn apart. That would make me feel good
because I'm a positive person. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we
bid you adieu and we hope that we have touched you in only an
auditory and mental way. It.
Was an excellent clarification. Grace, thank you for making sure
that we didn't touch them inappropriately in other ways.

(01:37:50):
Well, Allie, thank you for touching me.
On that note, I do think it's time we call it quits, so thank
you for being here. God bless you all.
Thank you for joining us. We'll see you on the flip side.

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