Sister Wives S2 E1 - Browns Out of Hiding - My Sister Wives Podcast

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:00):
Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm ally, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.

(00:22):
That's us all right. See you on the.
Flip side. What does the nanny do?
OK, so we're done. Goodbye.
You shut it off. Do not twist my words.

(00:45):
Do not make me a victim. Sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife and the kidneys over all these years and the
sacrifices that I made to love you.

(01:13):
Last season on my Sister Wives podcast.
Stop it. I need you to say it as well,
like you're doing an actual intro.
Last season on my Sister Wives podcast.
So now who knows if we'll actually use that, But like,
it's here. I know right Kody can you hear
me? Oh my gosh.
Season 2 episode 1 Browns out ofhiding.

(01:35):
For anyone who is joining us whois not familiar with the show,
we are on the second season of re watching sister wives which
is ATLC reality show following the Browns who are a polygamist
family. There's Kody Brown and his
wives, Meri Janelle, Christine, a fourth wife, Robyn joined the

(01:57):
family towards the end. Well, married into the family at
the end of the first season. And we talked about all of these
things in our first season. I found myself feeling like with
a lot of the episodes and we were done that like a lot of
things happened and a lot and not a lot of things happened at
the same time. So even re watching this first

(02:20):
episode of the second season, you know, once it was done and
we kind of looked at each other and it's like, Oh my gosh,
there's so many things, but alsothere's not really a lot of
things. Well, right.
And I think part of the beauty of it is that we it's not just
that we're rewatching, you know,season 1 and now starting season

(02:41):
2. They're currently in season 19,
so we know current day exactly where this family is.
And so the layers that become visible as we're seeing these
beginning times are kind of like, Oh my God, like you guys,
like you just want to shake everybody and go, you guys, what

(03:04):
were you doing? I think that's why it's, it's a
lot and not a lot because we know the future and so we are
looking at it in a very different colored glasses lens.
And I don't, I don't think it's rose, right?
Like it's other maybe blue, maybe red at times, colored

(03:24):
glasses and it's a lot. And I do think that is a big
difference between watching realtime and then going back because
the current episodes that are on, I will watch it and then be
like, what was that even? What was that episode even
about? Like, I don't even remember
anything that happened because it's so slow moving and there
seems to be not much. But yeah, going back and
watching things from 15 years ago, is that where we started

(03:48):
was like 2010? Yeah.
I feel like that's ballpark accurate.
Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like the first season
wasn't a super long like duration in time, not even a
year, I don't think. So.
I think that's kind of still where they're at.
And the even in this episode, there are things that we will
talk about where I'm wondering if the first season has even

(04:11):
completely aired when they started filming this because
there's a lot of references to coming out in this public way.
Now, what we will get into in this first episode is that the
Browns do like a press tour. And part of the ways that they
were talking about it almost made me feel like maybe their
show hadn't premiered yet. Or if it had, maybe it had just

(04:32):
premiered. It's hard to tell where they are
because it didn't feel to me like the first season had been
out and everyone was aware of who they were.
They were kind of doing this. Maybe the show had just
premiered and they were doing press for it, but they don't
really talk about that. I completely agree with you.
I think that I think my assumption is that they were

(04:54):
really on the verge of airing the show.
And the reason I say that is because it did seem like there
was a level of they could still go back if they wanted to in a
sense, right? Like it seemed like these
interviews that they were going to go and do was really that

(05:17):
coming out as they referenced and like there's no going back
after this. And I just assumed that if the
show had aired or maybe it was 1episode, but they hadn't done
the press tour so it wasn't super picked up yet.
Like I don't know. But it certainly seemed to an
extent, yes, that like this was their official, everyone's going

(05:39):
to see this, which they did and you know, truly, truly start the
judgment as compared to whereverthey were in the actual first
season airing process. Certainly seemed like this was a
bigger deal than the actual showairing.
It does feel like the first season was completely filmed
before anything was out. It didn't.
They don't really mention that in the first season that they've

(06:01):
already received feedback about them being public so.
Well, and I would not be surprised at all if they did the
press tour prior to airing a single thing because they had to
get some interest out there. You, you know, I don't even know
how popular TLC was back then. Like they probably needed to get
these people out there to try toget that first episode like

(06:22):
scene quick, you know? So the episode opens with the
family in the house and typical,like, brown chaos.
Like, everybody's doing their things and they are kind of
giving some, I don't know, some slight throwbacks to the first
season talking about where theirlife is, where they have, where

(06:43):
they've ended up. At this point.
I my first thing that stuck out to me was a joke from Brianna
about how they're piglets. The kids are piglets.
And of course Kody had to give some sort of, you know, this is,
well, we are polygamists and I don't know, blah, blah, blah.
I don't even remember what he said because it's fucking Kody.
I have no idea what he even said.
God, he said that? Well, no, the parents are

(07:03):
polygamists. The kids are just kids.
They haven't chosen their lifestyle yet, blah, blah, blah.
It's like you're not plague let's bit.
Yeah, it was good. I mean, it was just like, shut
up. Yeah, immediately just shut up.
Yes. Also, the kids are going to
public school for the first timefor at least half of them, is
what the parents said. I think that's an interesting

(07:24):
correlation with the show comingout.
You know, they connect the dots that they are going to be public
out as polygamous and that theirkids going in to school almost
like I can't remember. I think Janelle says something
about strength in numbers kind of thing, where we're going to
have all these kids going and I'm hoping that they can stand
up for each other and they can do this stuff or they can

(07:46):
support each other. The adults say that they are
going to be going to New York tocome out.
So that was what they're teeing up, is that the kids are going
to public school and the adults are going to go to New York to
come out and to do some press. Yeah, it was interesting.
And I didn't maybe put these twopieces together until you just
said it that way. But like, not only are these

(08:06):
kids going through an additionalfamily joining theirs, OK, That
just happened, they are now going into a completely
different school system and environment and they're on a
reality TV show. Yeah, a lot of change.
Holy crap. Yeah, that's a lot.

(08:29):
Yeah, I guess that is that is a lot.
They've got a lot of changes going on, hopefully, you know,
and the kids, I mean, it is we are being shown what whoever
production or whoever wanted us to see.
But the kids seem well adjusted.It's not like they're going
around being like I'm being tortured.
You know, they, they show Leon saying that they did one year in
public school and they wanted togo back private.

(08:50):
Interesting little snippet for this intro.
Given that we don't circle back to that till later.
I think they're kind of paintinga little picture of Leon being
the only child in Meri's, in Meri's part of the home.
And you know, maybe there's somethreading that we'll see later
with a little bit of this kind of Ness.
I don't really know what words to use 'cause I don't want to

(09:10):
say that they're like spoiled orsomething, but they definitely
you, in my opinion, they use footage that makes it seem like,
you know, like, oh, I did schooland I don't like it.
And it's a little like this kindof came out of left field and
then they don't even address it until later.
So I don't know, whatever. Maybe that's just me projecting.
I can see the interesting snippet of sorts, right?

(09:33):
Because it's not like every kid.Well, actually, let's rewind.
Every kid probably did get to share their opinions about so
they just didn't put them all inthe show, right?
Like, don't you think every kid was probably interviewed and
whatever else and they were just, you know, wedding down to
what they thought would be applicable.
And I think the other piece, though, is just logistically.

(09:57):
In Christine's house, there's a whole bunch of kids and a whole
bunch of kids get shown. In Janelle's house, there's a
whole bunch of kids and a whole bunch of kids get shown.
In Janelle's house, there's a whole bunch of kids and a whole
bunch of kids get shown in In Meri's house, there's only Leon,
and so her child should get shown too, right?
But for some reason it appears different just because there's

(10:19):
not all these other kids in the stuff, right?
Like I if you're just comparing like individual, family, mother,
children, time, I would imagine it balances out probably to the
opposite end that Leon doesn't get nearly as much time as some
of the others. Maybe right?
I don't know, I'd be curious. I want to watch this.

(10:41):
Yeah, I that is something to payattention to because even in the
footage where they show the General family Ness, Meri does
get the least amount of time because it's just Meri and Leon
in her place. And unless Kody's doing
something there, I don't really know that we've seen much.
I think we've only seen Meri talking a couple times in her
home. There hasn't been scenes set in

(11:03):
her place. We will get to a big one, We
will get to a big one later on, don't worry.
Oh, there was. There was the bow tie from
Season 1. Well, yeah, just just you wait
though. Big one this episode.
Oh, even this episode market. OK.
And then they cut to talking about, I think Kody starts or
kind of leads the conversation in some manner about diversity

(11:25):
and acceptance being taught in schools and how it is not just
taught as some concept, but it'slike more like enforced, like
culturally, people need to be more accepting of others and the
other adults agree with this. What did you Did you have any
takeaways from that or anything that stood out to you?
No, I imagine what he's saying was pretty right.

(11:48):
I mean, I think when we look at that time frame, I, I do believe
that people were starting to be more accepting of a lot of
different lifestyles. Quote UN quote, if you would
like to say. And like, I think that's
probably true. I think in the decade before
this happening, they've seen a lot of people be accepted into

(12:10):
society that weren't before. And maybe some things that
weren't legal before too now areright.
So maybe there's an optimism there.
I mean, I, I love that would be great if it, you know, stayed
that way. But hey, good for them, right.
Like, I think that's nice. Oh, I, I think one of the
interesting kind of back and forths was the wives talking

(12:34):
about how their experiences had been in school, right.
And Christine talked about one of her fears about the kids
going to public school was, well, she kind of framed it
like, I didn't, I didn't have a hard time at school.
School is fine for me. I did great.
But my siblings did. Because she grew up in polygamy,
right? And so people somehow knew that

(12:58):
her siblings were polygamists but did not know that she was
like, they didn't put the piecestogether.
Connect the dots. I don't know.
So she was never bullied in school, but her siblings were.
And so she has that fear for herkids.
They just don't want any of thispublicness to stop the kids from

(13:19):
making friends and having a normal school experience.
And like, there's definitely some hesitation on those levels
from all of them. But then they get up and they're
doing the first day of school. Christine got up at 5:00 in the
morning to curl Aspen's hair forschool at school.
And it took hours and hours. And then she was responsible for

(13:43):
breakfast for all the kids, right?
Well, yeah, she said that they had started at 5:00 and I think
they were filming at 6:30 at that .620.
Yeah, so it was an hour and 20 minutes and she wasn't even
done. And she was like, oh, you know,
it's like labor of love or it's a whatever.
And I was looking at and I'm like, oh, it wasn't worth the
fucking time because that was like some hair.
But that was a choice. Well, it was a mother trying to

(14:06):
make sure that her daughter feltas confident as she could
walking into her first day of school.
Agreed. And, and kudos to her.
Amen. And then Christine jumps from
that to preparing breakfast for all the kids, like Janelle's
included and stuff like this. And, you know, she's doing all
that, and she's worried about her routine and she's got stuff
she's got to get down now and all of the stuff.

(14:28):
Breakfast was taking too long. Then Kody shouts at her.
Christine, I'm leaving. OK?
Oh my God. And she does start to walk over
to him, and he says something. He was joking, but it just comes
across gross, right? Like, like, you're supposed to
drop everything and come runningto me.

(14:50):
And then he does this, like, stupid laugh.
It was just creepy. And it was like, you're not
funny. And that's disgusting because
you really kind of do think it. I feel like, yeah, you really do
want her to do that. Yeah, but you're trying to be
funny. Like no, it was gross.

(15:11):
I am curious how it is that Christine's siblings were known
for being in a polygamist familyand she wasn't, You know, it's
it's weird because you went to aschool of a certain size.
I went to a school of a certain size.
Maybe she went to AI would assume a smaller school, but I
don't know. And it's just interesting that

(15:32):
some of the kids like, I'm curious about how that happened.
I here's what I picture. It's not her like blood
siblings, her moms. It's her other moms children.
That makes sense, right? Yes, so publicly they're.
Not acknowledged to family bro. Correct.
Like, yeah, like she keeping hermouth shut, you know, like.

(15:54):
That totally makes sense, OK. Because I was like, I don't know
how you got away with that and no one else did, but that does
make sense, OK. Yes.
There is a cut to Robyn's half house and I, I was disturbed as
a individual because Kody is going through the space and I
think he arrived and he's doing some sort of like greeting.

(16:17):
And as he's speaking, the echo in the room is insane.
And I'm looking around. And now mind you, I'm not a
maximalist. I actually like not a lot of
things on places. This place has like one of those
iron shelving units that everyone had at some point and

(16:37):
then like a couch or a love seatand like nothing else.
And I still just don't do not understand how this woman has
children in a home and there's nothing around.
I just don't get it. It's not like when they moved
there was nothing there. It's not like the kids don't
have a bunch of shit in boxes and totes and in closets.
But it's like couldn't you put up a picture?
I do not understand how she had so many walls with nothing on

(17:00):
them. And I know this point doesn't
matter to so many people, but tothose who it does, including me,
I am. My mind is blown.
I can't even deal. Well, in a little bit I'll tell
you about my judgement about Christine's house, but before?
That Oh yeah, yeah, we'll get there.
We'll get there. We will get.
There, it wasn't that beginning part that I noticed, but at the

(17:22):
very end of the episode, and we'll talk about what she was
discussing later, but she's having a very serious
conversation and in the background, like the news is
playing on the TV so fucking loud.
Like so loud and all. It's like I'm sitting in my own

(17:43):
living room with my kid on his phone and all I want to do is
fucking scream, like, turn, yeah, what are you doing?
And then they did cut away for aminute and then come back and
the TV was off and I was like. Yeah, as a viewer, it was
definitely distracting. It was like, what else is
happening in this room? Yeah.
And I mean, I guess that speaks to the novice Ness of their
thing with filming, but also I guess the production of.

(18:04):
I mean, what did Puddle Monkey do before this?
I would like to know. I don't think it was anything.
I don't think this producer everdid anything.
Who knows? But to come in and be like, we
have ATV on while we're filming.It's just idiocy.
There's so many things about this production at the beginning
that's just I roll. Yeah, it was.
It was a lot. So.

(18:24):
So you were talking about Robyn and while you were judging her
home. Yes, I yes, it was.
It was interesting for her to talk about some of the stuff
being even more new to her kids,right?
Because like, her kids have never lived polygamy before, so

(18:45):
they're in a whole new family with way crazy dynamics and now
going to public school and all of this.
And she was super concerned for them, rightfully so.
But I thought it was actually pretty good parenting on her
part for a moment. Yeah.
I mean, those seem like the things you would be concerned

(19:05):
about as a parent and, you know,to, I guess, marry that to
partner with that. She was talking about how going
into one house is going to be such a big change for them in a
positive way that they're going to join the family.
Robyn marrying into the family will help the family with
assimilation with them all getting under one roof.

(19:28):
Yes. So really looking forward to
that happening because that's what their family needs as
they're saying it right now. Correct.
And they've said that. Funny.
Isn't that funny? It's so, so interesting.
The other thing, sorry, flashback to Robyn and I don't
you know, I don't like her just to be super clear, but it's
interesting to hear. And so Christine kind of the

(19:49):
same way. But then Robyn, like she made
note of how as she was growing up, they were, they were trained
basically to not discuss their family or certain dynamics about
it with anyone. And I just so this, this
openness to everything for her is quite shocking.

(20:12):
So I'm starting to have a littlebit of empathy just in that
sense, I'm not forgiving anything.
But just in that sense, I'm having some empathy for going
like, yeah, this is bonkers for her.
Like, this is completely bonkersfor all of them.
To an extent, yeah. But it was just, it was just

(20:32):
interesting to think about. For more than just the kids,
like for the parents, for everyone involved, because
really that is a lot of change happening.
And even if it happened over thecourse of a year, let's say
that's a lot of change for even in one year.
And then to have this apex of all these things happening at
once, right? Yeah, I guess we do have to give
a little empathy. As he said to Robyn, and you can

(20:53):
quote us, we are empathizing with Robyn.
Just this one time. Oh, maybe we can give Robyn's
empathy moments. Like Kody has a couple passes,
right? We're giving him, he has two
left. Oh, wait, we didn't decide it
wasn't per season. That was.
No, no, it's for the duration ofthe podcast.
OK, so Kody has two passes left.This is Robyn's first empathy

(21:15):
moment. Maybe.
Well, and once again, if you want to track that, honey, that
sounds great if you want to ask.Our if you.
Want to ask our listeners to track that?
We've already asked a lot. I've still got the Kody Pass
thing under control, it's just the rest that we need help.
This is it. Okay, absolutely.
It was just cute that they like they did like the first day of

(21:37):
school pictures and the kids getting on the bus and all that,
just like super relatable familyschool stuff.
Like it was cute. Everybody was excited, like
there was definitely some nervesand some things, but they jumped
in. They did their thing like they
did the, you know, Christine's out there taking photos on the
street, you know, adorable. So loved that part.

(21:58):
And I think some those are some of my favorite moments in these
early seasons is just they were normal families, like really,
truly were. And I, I mean, yes, they're
still moms with their children and normal families in that way,
right? But like, it was cute.
It reminded me of first day of school when I was a kid.

(22:18):
Like that same energy of the excitement and the nervousness
and the whole cutesy whatnot. And even later when some of the
kids return, we'll get to it, but one of them walks in in the
way that she's walking. It's so the end of the first day
of school because it's a lot in the first part.
Oh my gosh, my kid used to come home and like zonk out immediate
like you would have 1/2 of a snack and just like fall asleep

(22:39):
and that is not his energy, right.
So totally, it's a lot. Yeah, adorable, but they cute
normal family Ness. It was it was great.
I love that. Yeah, and then they cut to the
wives talking about emergency contact information.
I was kind of hoping to hear from all of the wives about
this, but we did only hear from Christine and Janelle in the

(23:02):
emergency contact information. You list your emergency contact
and then the relationship. And Christine said that she
normally would leave it blank. And this year she put other mom,
which was a very specific thing,specific but also nonspecific
because it's like, OK, so it's like a stepmom, like you're
divorced and it's, you know, like it's a little, it's still

(23:23):
broad. She doesn't write Sister Wife.
OK, but other mom, anybody reading that form is going to
have a question. True.
Yeah, it's not. Because stepmom is very
definitive. Now some people may not like the
term step and might use other, you know, whatever.
I don't know. But like anyone reading that

(23:45):
form is going to question what the fuck?
Well, I would definitely pause and I live in alternative
lifestyle and I would be like, what does other mom mean?
Like totally. So that makes sense.
And then Janelle, our simple queen.
Janelle puts aunts. Well, she says ants.
I like to say aunt because, you know, I'm cultured.

(24:05):
The eye roll happening on this side of the room.
I just can't say aunt. It drives me nuts.
But she, they write aunt, She writes aunt and she's not going
to change that because they, youknow, they're aunts.
She's always said to ants it's traditional in their cultures to
write aunt. So she's writing that they're
aunts. That was lovely.
Thank you for sharing that with us.

(24:26):
What I thought was funny, yes, the way that they were, you
know, choosing to indicate this on the farms is interesting that
that has to be a thought that they have to do.
But second was that when Christine put other mom, it was
like a moment of pride. It was like, I am proud to not
have to make up another word to describe these women in my

(24:50):
children's lives. Right.
Like she thought, wow, this is cool.
I feel great about this. And Janelle is like, yeah, they
don't need to know that. Yeah.
And like, that's what she was like.
She's like, they don't need to know.
I'm not telling them. Yeah, and I totally see the, I
see both perspectives like I would, I could totally see being
like this just doesn't effing matter.
It just doesn't. It literally doesn't matter.

(25:11):
They're just going to get my kidout of school and do whatever
anyway. Yeah, she's like, that's all I'm
telling them, you know, I. And I liked when Janelle was
talking about it, she kind of had like this smile about her.
I don't know. Did have an energy?
I'm not sure what she was thinking about or what she maybe
maybe Kody gave her a little something that morning.
I don't know. But she was like all smiles and
I'm like, I wonder why she's so like, I just don't care.

(25:34):
I think because she just doesn'tcare.
Yeah. Like, I think because she's
like, they are worried about this because of other people's
perceptions of us. And I don't give a fuck about
other people's perceptions of us.
Yeah. You know, Amen.
And I think that that's why she smirks about her.
She's like, look, if they want to worry about that.
And you know that what you, we pointed at each other right now
because you know that when she knows something like that, Yeah,

(25:58):
she does have us. Even today, she has a smirk when
she knows she's fucking right. Yeah.
So. She kind of it makes yourself
laugh a lot about those things actually.
So maybe this is maybe because the first episode season, excuse
me, the first season is so introductory and it is so like
going through these paces to getthe 8 episodes out of this thing

(26:19):
and whatever that we're maybe going to start seeing more of
their true personalities coming out.
And I hope so. And this was a great first one,
which, you know, I just, I don'tknow, her smiling.
I was just like, I fucking love you, Janelle.
That was funny. I didn't register the smile
until you said that, which is what is so fun about doing this
because like, I didn't and then you say it, I'm like, fuck yes
she did. She was totally, like,

(26:41):
borderline, like, coy about it. I'm like, OK, like, all right,
sounds good. Oh, amazing.
OK so Christine, we visit her inher home and she is just walking
around with Truly and, you know,loving on her.
It was very cute. They did a couple of close-ups

(27:02):
of Truly's face and those blue eyes were just like massive.
Like there's just this blonde headed baby with these massive
blue eyes in front of this camera.
And it was just like shocking a couple of times.
I was like, hello, truly, you know?
Well, that'll be the last time we get shocked by Truly.

(27:22):
Now I'm meaning this super endearing because it was
adorable. I'm ruining it, OK?
And her eyes were it was. Truly was super cute.
No, it was funny, but Christine was like Uber focused on her and
all this stuff because, you know, her days are changing a
little bit, right? Stay at home, mom now.
Oh gosh. Well, you know, what do you
think about watching Christine throughout her day?

(27:43):
Well, what did I think? What did I think?
I took note of her quote that she is bored out of her gourd.
That was a good. One which I thought, you know,
wow, the you're on your first day.
This is the afternoon. And if you just turned your head
either way slightly and opened your eyes, you would see the

(28:04):
filth and craziness that is the kitchen that you are currently
being interviewed in while beingsaid that you are bored out of
your gourd. And I'm like, girl, if you got
time to clean, you got time to clean.
Like what the hell are you doing?
That kitchen looked like a disaster.
And I, listen, call me a traditionalist.
I'm very old school as everyone knows.

(28:26):
But if you're sitting at home all day bored out of your gourd,
then wipe a fucking surface. It was insane.
OK, I agree 100. I was going to say, well you on
the basic you have to agree withme on.
The basic I agree 100%. Yes, OK, not with you as a
traditionalist or whatever that is.

(28:46):
That is false and fraud, but what I call.
Me. Kody Brown.
What I agree with is that yes, it was a disaster.
OK, so at one point she's talking about being bored out of
her gourd and like the camera pans to a clock on the wall and

(29:06):
it's like $2.99 Walmart clock, surely I think scratched up on
the front and then there's like holes in the wall next to it.
Now, first of all, so this is this is where I'm going to
retract the statements because Ihave been the mother in the home
that is disgusting that might bebored, but also knows I'm not

(29:30):
fucking doing any of that. OK, so like like I feel her pain
now. I don't actually because I only
had one baby and I have no idea what any of that feels like.
So this I'll maybe give her a little grace on.
However, I did notice the dirt and the chaos and the clutter

(29:51):
and the crumbs and the walls andI do think that if she really
wanted something, and you know, that could be an option, but if
she doesn't want to, she shouldn't be forced to by men
like you. This, oh, this is it.
I'm such a chauvinist. I'm just terrible because it's

(30:12):
like a woman's place is in the kitchen, cleaning that kitchen.
You know, at the end of the day,there's something online, a
rumor online. So allegedly the legal
department is telling me, allegedly, that Gwendolyn has
said in the future that production has told her that she
needed to clean her house. Shut up that like they they in
order to continue filming they just needed to clean the fuck

(30:34):
up. This is just slightly moving the
curtain over into Christine's messy house.
There will be. I know I already remember in my
head at least two scenes where Iwas jaw open watching the TV of
just like why the fuck isn't somebody doing something about
this now? Clearly production at some
allegedly production at some point told her she needed to

(30:56):
clean her house because it was like, we cannot show this.
Like it's just terrible. Well, and also to be very clear,
even if I didn't want to clean, if my house was going to be on
television, I would be cleaning,right.
OK. So I am not distinguishing those
two things. It's very true that is
different. Yeah, like her kitchen wasn't
like a Real Housewives seen by any stretch.

(31:17):
It was like the real looking in his housewife.
It's like, Oh my God. Oh my God, yeah.
And she's just hanging out. She's just.
Bored as a gourd, looking at herfilth, looking at her mess like
Oh my God. Bored as a gourd was the best
and then just the camera pan at gold.
Literal gold it was. Great.
Yeah, Yeah, On the backside of this little kitchen
conversation, Christine's kitchen, I'm going to have to

(31:39):
come up with some phrase about Christine's home and Christine's
kitchen. I'm not going to get it on the
spot, but it's going to be something like you're.
Going to workshop. I'm going to I'm going to
workshop a way to talk about Christine's home cleanliness.
It was cute because they all joke about going to Christine's
for food and I love that I do. I'm sure it warms her heart.

(31:59):
I'm sure it makes her feel like she is really contributing to
the family. And there is pleasure in giving
people experiences, food, memories and like, so to provide
that to a family must be very, it must feel really great to
her. And it is.
It had to be flattering for her to watch this back and see
everyone, literally everyone be like, yeah, we go to

(32:20):
Christine's. I don't know if Meri said
anything. Am I shocked by that?
No, but everyone but Meri. Yeah, Janelle even said if I'm
hungry and I want real food, I go to Christine's.
I think, yes, they all did. Every kid was like, Christine's
I'm hungry. Logan walks in and he goes there
any food. Like he was just, you know, and

(32:42):
like, no shame in it and definitely comfortable enough to
do that. Like you could tell, yeah, these
kids could go in and out of any place at any time.
Like it wasn't nothing weird about that.
Well, but I think even more so marries at that point in time, I
there were boundaries, maybe more than other places, but like

(33:04):
they were all pretty freely together in these spaces.
When that comes up in the future, I don't know if I can't
remember, it might be in the fardistant future for the show so
I'm going to just bring it up. It's a random tangent is that
Meri did ask for the children tonot run through her apartment to
go from one to another. Right.
And that becomes a contention point because, you know, the

(33:25):
other wives were thinking that she was there was some sort of
thing with that. And, you know, Meri's
perspective was like, my place isn't like a hallway.
Like, I'm sorry, I don't want people just going through it at
all times. I think she even says something
about being naked. Like, I could have been naked.
And it's like, oh, my gosh. Like, OK, way to find the
extreme example. But like, you know.

(33:47):
Amen. No, I think it was about the
hallway Ness of it all though. It was just like literally
people running through to run through.
Yeah. And it's like, I feel like
that's an acceptable boundary. I think it's OK.
I agree. To say if you want to come and
hang out here, guys come hang out here if you're hungry, you
want to come see if I have some food, come see if I have some

(34:08):
food. What you're not going to do is
fucking run your asses through here with 0 regard for myself or
my space or what's happening here.
That's very different. And I think that's I she, she
seemed, we know Meri's not the victim or like the innocent
person here and a lot of this, but like there are some things I

(34:30):
think she was shamed for that she shouldn't have been.
I don't. Yeah.
She had some boundaries that were fine.
Yes, 100 percent, 100. Sorry about that little
derailment, ladies and gentlemen.
It's just funny how these thingsspark us.
Yeah, I think it was kind of like the end of the first day of
school. All the kids come running off

(34:50):
the bus, There's all this excitement, they're talking
about who played together at school, like with their siblings
and stuff, and overall seemed like a good day.
Yeah, they did the cut to Leon talking about how they returned
to their faith-based cooperativeschool because public school
wasn't working for them. I mean, I understand that.

(35:12):
I went to an arts eye for juniorand senior year.
Public school did not work for me all that well.
So I get that Interesting that they're interesting.
There wasn't really any details given.
It was just like, I didn't like it and that's that.
So I, I don't know what this treatment is.
And I don't mean treatment in the way people are treated, but
treatment in the TV sense of like, what is this for?

(35:34):
Like what is the point? And I, I don't know if it's
supposed to make us feel a certain way or draw some
conclusions. I don't really know.
I don't know. Well, ultimately, I don't know
either, but part of me wonders. So I guess the question in my
mind is, were there other kids that didn't want to go to public

(36:00):
school that were made to go to public school?
Right. Right.
OK. Yeah.
Because if they were all hell yeah, we'll do that, That's
cool. But they're nervous and scared
and whatever, that's fine. But like, if if nobody else was
like against it, then did they just really give them all their
choice? Right?
Like, well, there's this like, what were the conversations?

(36:21):
What were the conversations thatwere had?
Because I think that there's an assumption being made that it's
like special or I don't want to say favorable, but different
treatment happening for Leon because they're not going to
public school. So like, is that really a thing
or is that just a thing we're putting into our brains?

(36:42):
Because it was literally just these are your options, kids.
Are you cool with this? You're not cool with this.
OK. Why?
What is it Like, we saw the brief conversation with Meri,
Kody and Leon, right? Yeah.
But we we don't know anything about the other kids.
And so I guess I just, I guess Iwish I knew more about the other

(37:04):
conversations were had because it is being painted as
different. And I don't know that it's any
different. It may have just been the
personal choice. And when the kids are coming
home from school, it stood out to me that Robyn's kids are
returning to Robyn's half house and the other kids are returning
to the compound. So even though they are

(37:27):
referenced like, oh, the kids are all coming home from school
and it's like a family thing, there is a delineation.
There is a difference between where these kids are going at
the end of the day. And so just making notes because
I think there's a little bit of this talk of like, on one hand,
everything's going to come together now that this is it's
going to come together. And then also some language of
how they already are, but it feels like they're not, so I

(37:52):
don't. Know well we can at least start
to see the pieces like separating, right like I don't
know that we did so much in likethis particular episode of the
second season, but like we know that it's coming.
So that's the thing we know it'scoming.
We know where this heads we knowwhere they're going.
We also did hear in this episodeabout how they all have the

(38:14):
picture of being in the same house and it didn't actually
seem like anybody was against that at this point.
So what makes them start to be against it, Cut to the future is
when they live in separate homesand then they don't want to all
be together and then all of thisand crumble, crumble, crumble
foundation, you know, well, likeit does, but that's you know,

(38:37):
so. Yeah.
Big things. Well OK, so then they cut to a
scene where they're going to go ice blocking.
I've never heard of ice blockingbefore.
I have no idea what it means. If someone was to say ice
blocking, I would not assume it is what they do, but they go and
buy blocks of ice that are plastic wrapped from wherever
they buy this ice and then put atowel on it and ride this ice

(39:01):
down a hill. And so they bought several
blocks of ice. It's funny.
They open up the back and it falls out and Kody's like, walk
your toes. It's like already done.
And I'm like classic. But it to be fair, my dad would
probably say the same thing after the after the dangerous
part is done. Be like, oh, look out for that.
Like, right, OK, it seemed like,you know, yes, there was no
snow. Kody references there's no snow.

(39:22):
So they're not sledding their ice blocking.
And Robyn says that we have highmorals and ethics, so the kids
have to find ways to entertain themselves.
And this is how we do it in our culture.
It felt a little, you know, we're, we watch black and white
TV and we're sliding down hills on ice.
It it felt a little to me like once again, production needed
them to do something. So they were like, we're going

(39:43):
to do this thing. How many times have they done
that before? I would love to know.
I'd love to know how many times that family went ice blocking.
Well, listen, I have three thoughts.
OK. Number one, initially when he
kept saying ice blocking before they showed any of what they
actually did, it was reminiscentto me of like soaking in the

(40:04):
Mormon culture, which is so sickand wrong, but you know what
that is? No.
Oh my God, it's like like it theMormon university.
What is it BYU? Like you're not supposed to have
sex, but part of sex is like intention and like movement.
So instead of actually having sex, you just put the penis in

(40:24):
the vagina and you just sit still.
That's called soaking. It's called soaking.
Oh I I'm familiar but I couldn'tremember what it was called.
I think well, God, no, now you're making me sing guess the
term and and I think it's soaking.
OK, but it was this weird ice blocking thing and obviously
that's not what they're doing with the family and children,
but it just seemed like a creepyfucking term that like what the

(40:47):
fuck are you talking about? Right?
Did not enjoy it my again, rightbefore they like showed what
they were actually doing becauseI just couldn't understand was
like, is this common? Is this something that people
actually do? And then they did, you know,
definitely go in to their cultures and things.

(41:09):
And then lastly, and I think this probably makes me a
terrible person, but my last thought was like, after Robyn
was talking about the high morals and standards and ethics
and stuff, that's how she finished that and stuff and
stuff. I'm like, well, are they
orgasming as they like, ride these ice blocks?

(41:30):
Oh. My gosh, I am judging you.
You are a terrible person. But is it possible?
Listen, my genitals are on the outside so I don't orgasm from
riding on anything down the hill.
I think there could be some excitement for the women.
I and at one point, you know, Kody's got his legs wrapped
around Robyn and they're going down on a nice thing maybe.

(41:51):
She's off Kody. That's what made me think of it.
Like, I don't know. It didn't immediately come to my
break, but there was something weird about that shit and I was
like, I don't know, it just. It reminds me of all the other
times where people have been doing wholesome activities with
their children and you make it all about sex.
Oh. Shucks, is this a common theme?

(42:12):
Ladies and gentlemen? Do I do this?
If I had a nickel for every time.
You would have $1.00. Oh, that's a lot.
A lot of nickels and a dollar. I can't.
Say no, don't say a dollar. I would have probably a nickel
literally one from this very conversation, but you.
Know it was the gross Kody and Robyn engagement thing that made

(42:34):
me have this thought yeah and itwas right after the morals and
ethics thing and I was like likeI just feel like there's
something more to this and but also wholesome family activity
apparently so cool I stand. Corrected between your legs and
ride that hill. I mean, they did seem like they
were having fun. I don't know.

(42:55):
I mean, they were having a good old time, they really were, and
that's what they went there to do.
Oh well, then they had their little picnic afterwards.
Or with the hot dogs. Kody was the grill master.
He looked so well doing it. He was like flipping his hair
and looking into the distance, being like, I think they're
ready or whatever. And it was just.
Well, they're hot dogs and also.We know in the future he fucks

(43:19):
up plenty of meat on a grill so like.
You don't even have to cook it. You don't even have to cook it,
you just have to get little lines on it, He.
Literally did get char marks. Barely.
Yeah. There you go.
There's your hot dog. But the kids loved it.
It was great. Yeah.
Christine cut that watermelon like a boss.
Oh, my God. Did you see her?
Yes. OK.
I hate getting watermelon because it's a fucking asshole

(43:41):
and, like, it's just messy and gross.
But she was. No, no hesitation.
Like Wham Wham. This was definitely not her
first watermelon. No, she knew what to do.
She's like, I've served this whole family watermelon before
at. Least it's not in my fucking
house. You eat this right now.
Oh God. One thing that we have in common

(44:03):
with polygamists as monogamous is that watermelon can get
sticky. Wow, we're really flying off
here. Episode One, Season 2.
Really, really presumptuous to be you to call me a monogamist.
I mean, Oh yes, I I take that back as others.
What's what's the word if you don't want any other humans?

(44:24):
Asexual I think. Well, no, but like 0
relationships, like not polygamous, not there has to be
a term. We're going to figure that out.
There's Yeah, there probably is something.
There was something. Well, when I put you as my
emergency contact, I write otherwoman.
Well, I mean, that's fine. That makes sense.
I'm not hurt. And then after their day at the

(44:46):
park, well, they're going, they go to the park because it's
their last family outing before they go to New York.
So Kody has to make sure to let us know that the whole family's
going to be together for this time at the park where they're
going to put ice between their legs and melt it.
And then they're going to, I wasgoing to say ride a watermelon,
but eat a watermelon. And then they're.
Opposite rolled the ice. Ate the watermelon.

(45:08):
Exactly, exactly. And then they cut to them
talking about New York. And I think the take away that I
had was that they were hoping tobe an example for other
polygamist families to come out of the closet and live their
lives openly and not in secret. And you know, this coming out
narrative, it's the math is mouthing.

(45:29):
I'm a little like, got it. I feel like I'm being a little
browbeat with the coming out. But that's what they're doing.
So that makes sense. I they sound kind of optimistic
about it. Yeah, yeah.
You know, like there's definitely some fear and some
hesitation, but but they're feeling like it's a good thing
and they do want it to make a difference for other people.

(45:53):
Yeah. We'll talk later a little bit
some of about some of the other perceptions that they like
perceptions of their culture that gosh, when they said I was
like, Oh my God, there are perceptions out there that are
super, super bad. We've talked about a lot of
them, but when they were all like blanket statement and I was

(46:14):
like. Yeah, it was literally a list
like welfare fraud, tax fraud, whatever.
There was at least four items that was a.
Lot and it was like, oh, Oh my goodness, yeah.
People child brides don't yes, people people have really bad
pictures of you. And just like in any whether we

(46:37):
want to call it culture or lifestyle or faith or whatever
there can be good and bad, right.
Like there's the extreme versus the not extreme.
And I think what they're trying to prove is that we're not
extreme and I, I think I think they do it really in all intents
and purposes, they're still on fucking TV today like they do

(46:58):
but that that's their goal is that like not all of us are
terrible and we would like everyone to know this and we
would like you to watch us and see that we're normal people and
a normal family with normal lives and that's OK.
And I I. Amen.
And a little side side note, little tangent is that some of

(47:19):
the feedback that I've seen on some of our content is about the
culture, AUB culture, polygamistculture, fundamentalist Mormon
culture. And I just want to reiterate,
you know, we did a little bit ofan intro, like a reintroduction
to the show at the beginning here, but we are literally 2
deadbeat losers watching ATV show, a family on ATV show.

(47:41):
We are not experts in the the culture.
We do not have a fundamentalist Mormon background.
And so just a little disclaimer in the middle of the episode
that, you know, if you come to us to learn things about
polygamy, maybe not. We are talking about a family on
a show, and that's what we're talking about.
Even to dig a little deeper intothat though, it's like, yes, we

(48:05):
know that's a part of them and apart of their stuff, but they
don't throw that down our faces on this or our throats on this
TV show. So we're not commenting about it
because they don't do it. We know a lot more about it
behind the scenes now than we did back then.
They talk about their faith, butthey do not shove it at you.
Like it's really not that bad. So that's why we don't address

(48:27):
it as much, you know, 'cause we're just addressing the people
that they are in the TV show right now and what we know about
them in the future. And that's now.
Additional disclaimer We are notpsychologists.
Oh God, Oh God, oh God, definitely not.
Our analyzation of whatever the fuck they're doing means

(48:49):
nothing, and we're deadbeat losers.
So, like, it's fine. Yeah, but just to to, you know,
fully complete that circle. Yes, I know.
And I know it's kind of out of nowhere.
Allegedly. Allegedly.
Allegedly. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
We know some things, We don't know anything.
We're watching a show and that'swhat it is.
Like, it just is what it is. And actually, and I don't want
to make it sound like don't giveus precious pearls and

(49:11):
information and comments. I'm just want to reiterate that,
you know, we're not going to know what happened in 1872 about
some sort of thing in Utah like that's probably not going to be
known. So but if you.
Want to tell us? We will.
We will digest and discuss. We're here for you to teach us
something. Oh my God.
That's why we're doing the show.High hopes.

(49:34):
Anywho. So then we go to the morning of
their trip to the Big Apple, andI looked at you and I said, Oh
my gosh, little blouse on the Merry.
Little blouse on the merry. She was wearing that top with
the double buttons. This time it looked more like a
coat than just a top because it was over a shirt and she had it
unbuttoned. It was on, it was layered.
And I was like, Oh my God, little blouse on the merry.

(49:56):
She wore that travelling to New York.
She didn't wear it in New York. So I have to give her some
credit. Maybe she did.
I maybe I, maybe I blacked it out.
Maybe I had trauma it. Was probably later #4 you know,
as they were kind of getting they, they cut to the kids a
couple of times with kind of their reactions.
And Madison was like, oh, they're going to New York to do

(50:20):
it. Like she had like an eye roll.
Yeah, I was. Like with her really dark dyed
hair. Literally like it was like, Yep,
that tracks. And you know, Logan also said
get pushed off a clip or jump. He may have said that later in
the opposite. This might be a flash, but it
was like, we're either going to get pushed off the Cliff or

(50:41):
we're going to jump. So I guess we're jumping.
And like the kids were having reflections about this too, as
they were like getting ready to to embark on this adventure.
And it was interesting because Ithink they kind of knew it had
consequences for them, but they didn't really have any idea what
the consequences were for them. So I thought that was

(51:01):
interesting. Yeah, Kody is packing in Meri's
living room for this trip because it's central to all of
his stuff in the house and everywhere that it is.
I also, and, you know, maybe I'm, you know, jumping to some
conclusions, but I think Meri's home is the home you probably
want to pack in because you're probably getting things from the

(51:23):
other wife's homes that maybe are a little less orderly and
then bringing them to her livingroom.
So it might be essentially located, but it probably also is
a great place to spread out a suitcase and bring your shit to,
I'm guessing. Well, I'm going to call it
central packing, and I also am wondering if this is descriptor

(51:44):
#3 or #4 for Meri. I well OK tooth puller photo
queen. Nope.
Tooth puller. Tooth puller.
Packing Nazi. Packing Nazi photo goddess.
Photo God. I knew it wasn't Queen, I knew
it wasn't Queen, but I couldn't find it.

(52:05):
Goddess And now Central packing.And central packing.
Yes. So she's got a loading dock.
Yeah, he could just back that truck up.
And Meri, don't pack it for me. Meri, I got it.
Just gonna take over your livingroom here.
Typical man, and put all my shitin my packet.
But I can't fault him because I'm like, I think that's
probably what I would do too. Like when I pack, I take up my

(52:26):
whole kitchen island or my wholespace.
So it is what it is. This is why I don't have other
humans around. So much easier.
Amen. I I don't know that there was
anything to really gleam from that, but it was just an
interest. It's interesting when production
points these things out because it's like, was there something
we were supposed to learn from that?
I don't know. I guess that Meri's living room
is central packing. Yeah, well, now we know.

(52:50):
We meet the first grandma. Oh yeah.
Which is so exciting. We meet Cheryl, Janelle's mom.
Yes, very briefly. I, I thought that maybe we would
get him up like a minute with her, like a little something.
And it was just kind of like, I'm Cheryl and like, I'm here to
watch the kids while the parentsleave.
And it's like, OK. No, my favorite part was that I

(53:11):
feel like Cheryl walked into theroom and there was a camera
there, and Kody looked at Cheryland then Kody looked at the
camera and he goes, oh, well, this is Cheryl.
It's like it was like a, again, awkward moment with the camera
desk. Like it was just cringe.
Yeah, I don't know. She seems like a sweetheart.
We do get to know her more throughout the show, but that is
our first grandmother. They talk about how all of the

(53:34):
grandmothers are coming. Well, yeah, more than one
grandmother is coming to help while they are out of town.
It stood out to me that they talk about how the grandmas are
coming to watch the kids and Christine says it would be too
much for Aspen and Mckelty to doit.
And I'm like. Like.
You're traveling across the country.
Would you ordinarily leave your young children with your teenage

(53:54):
children? This parentification shit gets
complicated because that's really not acceptable.
No, but I think that the reason they said it is because like
day-to-day tasks and stuff. And again, I understand the, the
concern about what you're, you're saying there is, but like
you will with your older children, have them be really

(54:17):
kind of immersed and stuff. So sometimes people would be
like, well, they do it can't, can't they just like, you know,
whatever you've got 16 year oldswhat?
And they're like, no, like, no, we can't.
Like, I just feel like they knewthat and they were just saying,
like, look, they take care of a lot of stuff and we know they're
super capable and they definitely have like, helped
raise their siblings. But no, we are not putting that.

(54:40):
All of them. They called it a troop of
grandmas. I thought that was cute.
I was like, we've got a whole troop of grandmas.
I'm like, yeah, you do. And they even show Mckelty over
at Robbins. We get a little more into this
that there's a relationship thathappens between Mckelty and
Robyn that I don't know how muchdetail we get in the show, but
it is it does build and we see it periodically.

(55:05):
It seemed like early morning. It literally was the morning of
their trip. It was 6630 in the morning.
They're doing these things and Robyn's kind of given her a
little bit of like doing the whole like, oh, is this what we
remember? We've got this and then this and
that. So I was curious if Robyn's
parents were going to be around her mother and her uncle daddy
or whatever, if they were going to be there because, you know,

(55:25):
it's weird. But because totally like the
teenagers know like the run of the house, like they know how
things go. And so you were.
Lying. They legitimately can do it.
Like they can totally do it. I've watched my older niece and
nephew, like, definitely do thatfor younger siblings.
And yeah, you know, it is what it is.
Sometimes we don't want to forceit on children, but sometimes
they do naturally take on those roles even without being asked

(55:48):
or even just for simple things. And like, yeah, it's just a
natural progression at times. Yeah, I would highly recommend
people not travel thousands of miles and leave their kids with
teenagers. But that's.
Just Oh no, I mean, obviously. And I think that was a Duff for
them too it. Was like, yeah, we're not doing
that, Yeah. You know what?

(56:08):
I noticed two things. OK.
But random one, when they were doing the whole packing and you
know, Christine's running aroundcarrying truly and all of this
stuff. So like in the couch interviews,
I feel like Christine just lookslike OK, but like when she is at

(56:30):
home she is looking and I don't think it's makeup.
So this is what's interesting. I think it's more like natural
face. She is looking fresh and bright
and light and young in her face specifically and not like red or
flushed or shiny or any like just like good.

(56:51):
Like she looks good post baby like this is working for her.
Like I just noticed that like I love that.
But then she's on the couch and she's all matted down and barely
any makeup and just talking about stuff and it's totally
different vibe. But like at home with the family
and doing her things, like she is a vibrant and I think we kind

(57:12):
of know that about Christine now, right?
Like when she's in her nest withher family and her things she is
vibrant but other times she is not.
Yeah, her interview looks have always been a bit of a struggle.
Yeah, but like, real. In her natural environment, she
and I, maybe it's the enthusiasmthat also soaks into the
perception of how she looks, because I definitely noticed.

(57:33):
I didn't notice that she looked so good, but I noticed her
enthusiasm level. She was very like about things
that were happening. She just had this nest.
This. I just thought she was bright
and sunny and cute and adorable and like, it was working.
It was working. It was great.
The other thing, and you know, Ihate to give him props.
Oh God. OK, brace yourselves.

(57:55):
When Kody was at Central Packing, OK, he was folding his
dress shirt. Are you giving him props because
he folded a shirt? Like very well folded a collar
shirt. Oh, like meticulously folded.
I'm not going to say meticulous,but I'm going to say in the

(58:16):
right fashion, folded a collar shirt.
You're giving him kudos because he folded his shirt.
Fuck yes I am. Oh my God.
Most men would be like here's the collar, here's the sleeves.
Do you know he like? Like a retail fold or?
Something yeah, like, but like agood for a pack fold like I, you
know, I don't give props. Easily.

(58:39):
So I said excellent folding. Everyone knows you're secretly
in love with Kody. Hey yes I I have been celibate
just waiting for my turn with Kody.
Brown security is reinstated andyou're waiting for Kody Do.
You think I have to talk to God about that?
Oh, I don't You remember tellingme that God told you?

(59:01):
Don't you remember telling me that God told you?
You smooth, Kody. Oh, God, Janelle.
Oh my God. I've been kidnapped.
Oh, God, she's in. She's being held against her.
Well, help. Me.
Introducing Kody's fifth wife. Oh my gosh, so many here.
Yeah, they filmed Janelle in thedriveway.

(59:23):
I'm assuming is they're probablyliterally leaving the house.
She looks like they're walking out the door and she's in the
driveway and Gabriel gives her ahug.
Like there's like this moment where like they're looking at
each other and there's a pause and he's he kind of has this
little boy look of almost like, you know, I'm being a little
whatever, little like an earner.And then she like puts her arm
out or something and they hug and he gives her this big toothy

(59:44):
smile. And it was so cute.
It was so cute. It warmed my insert words heart.
I, I did register that all the kids were being super sweet as
they were going and it would seem super genuine and like it
was absolutely adorable. Right before that is when Robyn

(01:00:06):
was talking about how she spent her whole life guarding what she
says right? Like like, she says I.
I was not free to talk about these things.
We were very scared about consequences.
Like I spent my whole life not saying truly what my life is.

(01:00:27):
Again, the empathy. But we're not.
We don't need to relive that. But you, you said it before, and
this is exactly right. Child brides, welfare fraud,
taxes and insurance fraud and child abuse is the public
perception of polygamy. Now, that is a super unfair

(01:00:51):
perception of just, like blanketpolygamy.
But unfortunately, you're tied to a religion in which these
things do happen, and you're notdenouncing your religion.
Yeah, you're not living that life.
And Amen. Good for you.

(01:01:12):
But this is kind of what we touched on earlier.
Like look, I don't know. They are making a big effort to
we're just like you and that is a theme that we've talked about
many times even in our short time being here with you
listeners. They are very all about we are
just like you and I know. But kind of, aren't they?

(01:01:33):
They kind of, I mean, this is, it doesn't strike me as not.
So they do a great job of not talking about their religion and
particularly the practices of their religion.
Some people in their cult do. So, you know, I don't know, I
don't really know how that's setup.
But it's nice to hear that Robyn.
Well, Robyn did say those thingsout loud.
So there is an acknowledgement on some level that these things

(01:01:56):
are at least the perception frompeople.
Yeah, I I just thought it was important that they acknowledge
that's what people perceive because I think outsider wise
and probably even the first timethat I saw it, I didn't have
that perception. I didn't give a fuck.
I didn't know it was illegal. I didn't know that their

(01:02:16):
religion was a cult. I didn't know I don't know any
of those things. So I do think even back then
when this aired, it was in important to probably say some
of that stuff and it probably opened them up to even more
questioning. But then they kind of continue
to prove themselves. Not that, you know, like they're

(01:02:37):
not that. I don't.
I don't think there's any, even the disdain we have for many of
the adult members of this family, there's not a concern,
at least at this point in time, that they were those people.
Yeah, well, now we're going to have a change in music from

(01:02:58):
Kody. Can you hear me to like New
York, NY? I was going to say, welcome to
New York, to New York, Taylor Swift.
Oh yeah, I'm definitely a littlemore old school.
I was literally thinking New York, NY like Frank Sinatra.
I know, but they're more cheesy.Taylor Swift, New York, NY.
OK. They're not Frank Sinatra, New

(01:03:19):
York. I have.
To take your word for it, I'm just talking about the music
that was playing. The music that was playing was
like big band, like jazz, like it's New York, like big lights.
Did they have that actually playing?
Oh my. God, well, not New York, NY, but
the RIP off. Version, that's how it was,
yeah, You see, I wasn't. I think it was the sensory
overload thing, which they all very much.
Which they all talked about and I loved that.

(01:03:39):
I loved seeing them all talk about their enthusiasm about
being in New York and it reminded me of the time that I
spent in New York and I loved it.
I loved the energy. It's so much.
And people talk about their times in New York and how people
are rude and people were this and I'm like, no one was rude to
me. I thought everyone was great.
The energy was a lot. That city has a life and it was
fun to hear these polygamists from Utah being like, it just

(01:04:02):
was so exciting. Like it is exciting.
It's a great city. They were gigging out.
You know, I've never been there.And I, while there's something
so intriguing about it, like I think that, yes, it seems like a
remarkable place, surely, I do think it would be overload for
me. Like I think my anxiety would be

(01:04:24):
like we've. Talked about that.
Before where I was like. Let's do a weekend and stay in
Manhattan, get hotel rooms and whatever, but.
I think when I was younger I might have been able to do it
easier. Well, you would still do.
It no, I still wouldn't. I'm sure I would love it, but it
was fun to see them because I felt a little bit in their
shoes, like I I related to probably how they were feeling

(01:04:48):
and that was that was. Fun.
And they had the classic camera shots of like up and the tablet
and they were all looking up andvery New York.
Got a little nauseous couple times you.
Know had to take a drama mean. Excellent camera work.
As always. As always.
A hobby? Yeah, I was cute.
Oh my God. They're outfits, of course.
Oh gosh, are we talking about when they are actually at the

(01:05:10):
when they go to NBC for their filming?
Yeah, well, so they show them walking on the streets of New
York to NBC, basically, and you see the outfits as they're
walking. And I'm like, right, hey, guys,
like, what are we doing again? But then you see them actually
seated for the show. And it did look OK, Like they

(01:05:31):
did actually look OK and put together like seated.
But Meri's outfit was 0% flattering as she was like
walking, but sittings, you look great.
So I was like, OK, so I had AI had an up and down moment with
that one. Sure.
They talk about their time in the studio and that they're
going to film the Today Show, which is, you know, obviously a

(01:05:54):
huge day morning TV show. If you don't know what the Today
Show is, Google it. I don't even know how to help
you with that. They talk about how they were
there for three hours and that they had a lot of sitting and
waiting. And, and, and this does make
sense 'cause there's those commercial breaks, which I, you
know, prior to this, I guess I hadn't really thought about how
when you're watching TV and they're like coming up after the

(01:06:15):
break is these people. But they do that on these news
shows. I'm doing news and quotes, you
know, where every commercial break, they're like later, the
polygamist family, blah, blah, blah.
And they're just sitting there like totally.
You're just sitting there waiting for the camera to show
you for a couple seconds before cause a commercial break, which
would be weird. And a lot of time, you know,
Meri had to pee. Oh my God.

(01:06:37):
And that was so funny. She talked about getting up to
go to the bathroom and then theyrushed her back because it was
it was time. And she said that her pants were
unzipped. I love that no one else knew.
Like she hadn't told a single person about it until they were
sitting there on that couch for that interview.
Everybody was like, Oh my God. They were cracking up.
It was very funny. There was there was a good 3 or

(01:06:59):
4 like very funny moments in this episode and I would give
that as the first. It was, it was definitely the
first LOL moment. Like I laughed out loud thinking
about Meri Zipper being down. And then of course I was like
eyeing her crotch. I was really looking at Meri's
crotch because I was like, where's the down zipper?
But she was sitting like a lady and they didn't zoom in.

(01:07:21):
So I guess respect all around. You act like this is something
new for you. Well, I'm surrounded by women
that are always sitting like a lady.
I just meant eyeing Meri's crotch.
You know, I'm, you know, I'm more of an ass man.
That's right. Yeah.
Okay, so moving on. Christine Christine peeked out

(01:07:42):
Christine story. It was so, so cute, So cute.
She was just flabbergasted with like meeting any of these
people. And she was sitting there and
she said she heard her name but didn't realize her name was
Christine. Like it was so cute.
She was so flummoxed. And Meredith was like, hi

(01:08:03):
Christine, How's truly? And she thought, first of all, I
know who you are. Who do you know I or how do you
know who I am? And you're asking me about my
like it was, she was adorable. She was geeking out hardcore and
it was the sweetest. Yes, very cute.
I think back to that time and Meredith Vieira was very big in
the broadcast slash big network TV show stuff.

(01:08:27):
It's. Big time for.
This was the time, I don't know if it was after she did the
Today show or before, but she hosted Who Wants to Be a
Millionaire? Yeah.
I used to watch that with a friend when we were like doing
summer like bum afternoons and we would watch Meredith and be
like yelling the answers at the TV and we'd be like, we just
love Meredith. Like what's not to love about
Meredith Viera? She's she is class act, yes, cut

(01:08:49):
from a cloth. And it was so cute to see
Christine responding this way because it was so relatable.
Like if Meredith Viera came in and said like, Hey, Chris, I'd
be like, Oh my God, Meredith Viera is saying hi Chris.
So super cute. Yeah, it was.
It was great. It was kind of that awkward
moment before they actually start, like the interview

(01:09:10):
process and they're just all sitting there on camera and the
women are like fixing their hairand have these smiles on their
faces. And Kody is a statue like he is
not moving it. Hit Kody.
He was sitting on a stool. Cameras, lights, studio.
It was happening. He was freaked the.

(01:09:30):
He totally was. He totally was Kody.
He's so dramatic. So they're cutting to his, you
know, talking his his spotlight moments.
And you know, the way he describes everything is so
flippant dramatic. He's talking about this
situation and of course you would talk about it with some
dramatics and some theatrics. He is like out of 10.
The way he describes everything is so like, once again, I feel

(01:09:53):
like I kind of zone out when he's even talking because it's
just like, God, the way you're describing this is ridiculous,
but it's Kody Brown. The interview starts and her
first question to them. Did you note how she framed it?
Well, OK, from my memory, she asks why is it that you started?
Why are you in polygamy? So help me out, I don't.

(01:10:15):
Remember, because mind blowing and I think maybe I understand
why it scared him a little bit. Not to say that he should have
been fucking prepared. This should have of all the
questions you're prepared to answer, this should be pretty
much the biggest one first of all.
But she said most people don't embrace and almost no one

(01:10:37):
understands this lifestyle. Why did you choose this?
What a way to disarm him with that intro.
I was like, holy fuck, because first of all, I was like, it
seemed dramatic. I mean, I guess, do people
understand it? Yeah, definitely.
Nobody probably understood it atthat time.

(01:10:59):
But to say most people don't embrace, I think it's kind of a
lot to say that any people had feelings about it because it
wasn't even fucking talked about.
It just seemed crazy to me and it seemed like a Dick way to ask
that question. Oh, you thought Dick way.
See. I thought no.
I thought it was good journalistic way.

(01:11:21):
I thought it was a bit, you know, not just giving him the
like, tell me about your story, but giving him a hardball
question. I, I Amen to a hardball
question, but I think it was a little like lambaste like I, I
don't think it was fair to say that everyone is against your

(01:11:42):
lifestyle. I don't, I don't think that's
fair to say. I don't think most people
understood that people lived a lifestyle like that.
This This isn't a dinner table conversation.
Fair enough. Fair.
Enough Do. Do those that are aware of it
understand it? Probably not.
OK, Yeah. But you're making it sound like
all of America is against them, that that is unfair.

(01:12:03):
That is true. It I guess when you when you tee
it up like that, it is a bit sensationalized it.
Seems like it. Yeah.
But so I I kind of give him some, not to say that I don't
think that's what they internalize a bit like I think
that's how they internalize how America sees them.
But like, oh, it was that was harsh.

(01:12:25):
That was a harsh start to me. Like, well, if someone had, you
were sitting down with Meredith Vieira for today and the AM
shows are generally less hard hitting, right?
It's a little more like, oh, look at the next we're going to
talk about Tupperware or whatever and to be having that
question, it would throw me off.It was direct and it was like I

(01:12:45):
tried to write it down like wordfor word how she said it because
I thought what the fuck? And I do have to give Meredith
kudos because that she's she is a credible reporter.
So even though she's doing an AMshow, either her or her
producers that she work with gotthat question right, in my
opinion. And the effect was what it was.

(01:13:06):
He literally was speechless. Oh, yeah, he was like, I get.
And they and they went to liberty with showing it like
they were like, this is what it was.
It was so good. And he should have had a
response to any form of that question that didn't matter.
But like, yeah, she she definitely got through reaction
she was looking for and framed it in the way they intended to.

(01:13:27):
Yeah, that is accurate. The shot of them all on the
stools in the studio, Meredith has countered them talking.
And I don't remember if it's this point or later on when we
reference her again, but talks about, you know, like same sex.
There are single mothers, there are two mothers.
There are things like that. Now, is that at this point or is

(01:13:47):
that later? I want to say that is either at
this point or just before actually what we talked about,
because I think that is kind of how she introduces the.
Family and they tee it up in this way that we're talking
about like with the coming out and then this non traditional
families. And so even at that time, like
you were talking about earlier gay marriage things, just being

(01:14:09):
a single mother is all of a sudden acceptable or like
normal. And it's like, OK, like, and
this was a different time and the tee up was there for that.
It's hard to recognize that even1015, God, 20 plus years ago,
you know, how dramatically different things were and the

(01:14:32):
amount of steps that have been made like that is, it is pretty
remarkable if you look back just15 years ago and some of the
things that it, it seems shocking that that hasn't been
60 years ago that all happened because it showed up.
But yeah, it's kind of weird to pinpoint those time frames and
just try to picture it. I'm pretty sure most people I

(01:14:56):
knew were living their lives as they were.
Not necessarily. I knew single mothers, I knew
gay people. I knew people that were living
their lives, doing their things.And so this media thing of like,
normalization and like, Can you believe it?
And it's like, Oh my God, it's alittle slow, little whatever.
Well, part of it is just using abucket of people for talking

(01:15:16):
points. Like they just want to create
talking points about it. Like literally people are just
living their lives. Nobody else gives a fuck.
If you want to talk shit with your neighbors in your backyard,
talk shit with your neighbors inyour backyard.
But this is not a new story, OK?Like shut the fuck up, you know?
And that's how I think most things should be personally.
Amen. Except us doing this publicly

(01:15:40):
and criticizing their entire family that I think.
Friendly reminder to please leave us five stars, five star
reviews. Thank you.
They're on these stools on the sound stage.
Meredith is there. I'm, I'm kind of geeking out and
a little jealous because it would be fun to be interviewed
by Meredith on the, you know, like, in that like entertainment

(01:16:01):
way, like, Oh my gosh, like, cool.
They're doing this thing. It's fun and exciting.
I was so sad for Janelle becausethey put her at the end closest
to the camera. It's almost like in the in the
visual sense of like how that goes with the IT.
Was not the right angle. It was not the right angle.
She was given the widest part ofthe fucking camera lens.

(01:16:22):
She's sitting on the corner at an angle.
And I just felt bad because she looked good and it was.
Not her makeup was great. Her makeup was great and we love
when Janelle has some makeup on her.
Don't laugh like you're an asshole.
I know. I just, I really mean it.
Like she looked good and it was unfortunate.
Like if it was me, I could have been that same girl.
I could have been sitting at thefar corner.
I'm like, are you fucking? Kidding, I'm not.

(01:16:44):
Saying look, it's like I look like I'm fucking Jabba the
Hudson here, and it's ridiculous.
I get I actually was not lookingat her at all in that moment,
but had I, Yeah, right. Just I would have felt the same
way. Yeah.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. It was unfortunate.
Robyn, in one of her spotlight moments during this segment,
points out that it was on live TV and that there is no going

(01:17:07):
back and back. This no going back is a little
bit of a theme when they're cutting, you know, to the next
portion of the episode is that everyone kind of recognizes that
we're doing it. This is live TV.
We are. There's no going back at this.
Point and she refers to them. I think it was this was Robyn
still when she referred to them as a solid and happy family.

(01:17:34):
Like that's what we are trying to show America.
And I was like. That well, and that was actually
Meri. Meri.
Oh, was it Meri that? Said that yeah, Meri said that
she was hoping to be showing A to America, yes.
And at that same time, where they're doing these kind of back
and forths of people's reactionsto this interview, I recognize

(01:17:56):
that Kody loves a jumping out ofthe airplane fucking metaphor.
He said it multiple times in this episode.
And he's like, you know, you're jumping out of the airplane and
you haven't pulled the cord. And then two minutes later, he's
like, it's like you're jumping out of the airplane and you're
waiting for the parachute to open.
I'm like, we get it. You're jumping out of a fucking
airplane. He is so dramatic.
Everything he says is so dramatic.
He This is his second funny moment.

(01:18:17):
OK, OK. All right.
The first funny moment may not have been him, but it was one of
the wives. This was the first him funny
moment. OK, They were on like the Joy
Behar. Yes, this is, that's what I was
going to say. They they show clips, they're on
Joy Behar, they're on some otherguys show.
They're doing the rounds. They only talked about the Today
show at the beginning, so I guess I didn't realize it was a

(01:18:38):
full press tour until we were init. 100 when they showed Joy, it
was like, oh, clearly they had aday of filming.
Oh my God, no idea. No.
Idea. It was crazy, but they were on
there. And Kody did get funny.
Yeah, she goes, well, Kody, how many wives do you want?
And he goes none, None. Oh my God.
And I was like, that's fucking funny.

(01:19:00):
I did, I know that. Like good dad joke.
All right, fine, fine. Second pass, Kody, that's it was
good. That's not Kody's second.
Pass because it wasn't bad behavior that I have to give him
a pass for. It was just it was just funny.
Yes, it was. I did dig that.
I thought. I thought that was.
And she was like, could I be your fifth wife or whatever?

(01:19:23):
Like they, it was a little, it was, it was fun.
They were being playful. And actually he smiled at her at
one point, and I remember thinking, oh, he looks good,
like he looked attractive for him.
Well, they definitely got more comfortable with interviews.
True, he did feel and we only saw it for a second, It was
literally just a. Clip of them on flashbacks and.

(01:19:44):
Then on some other person's show, I I.
Didn't know he was. Some rando, yeah, but you know,
Kody did look good. And I have to have to say, when
Kody looks good to me, and it's just subjective, I have to say
it. He looked like an attractive
man. If he cut his fucking hair.
Anyway, moving on. Yeah, I was thinking about the

(01:20:05):
jaw and the smile in the eyes, like he's got some things
working for him when it works for him.
I know, but if he had the short hair, the jaw and the smile in.
The eyes, Yes. Yes.
Yes, like. He looked a little.
More like me today. Today.
Well, I want to drug him in his sleep.
Drug him in his sleep. Allegedly would like to.

(01:20:28):
Drug him in his sleep. Chris And it's never going to
happen if somebody doesn't do this.
I allegedly and I am not giving advice to anyone.
Amen. But I do believe if Clippers
were to just take off the curl. Oh yeah.
He would look fucking sexy even today, even as much as I hate

(01:20:50):
the man, he could be a silver box shorthair, and he's not
doing it. He's not doing it, and I don't
want to admit that that's possible, OK.
It feels wrong, it feels wrong. He loves those locks and that is
his brand now, so that's what he's sticking with and it is
disgusting and it's terrible because he would look so much

(01:21:11):
better with shorthair. I'm I just allegedly, allegedly.
Allegedly, no one is suggesting anybody do this, Robyn.
So Kody's looking cute with joy.It was fun to see their little
clips. And then they talk about Meri's
like, well, you have to go to Central Park when you're in New.
York. And that is true.

(01:21:31):
And they go to take their pictures.
Pictures because they don't say pictures.
It's pictures like a pitcher of water going to take our
pictures, they all say. So many states like vocab.
It must be like a Wyoming, Utah thing just as it is a Michigan
thing. Michigan is the same way.
They don't like say their TS so they say pictures, pictures and

(01:21:52):
it's weird. Very.
Strange. Well, they're in Central Park
that you know, 2 take pictures. Meri is the photographer.
It's made very clear that Meri is the photographer.
So everyone else gets great photos in Meri's opinion quote
UN quote, which I happen to agree with.
As someone who's taken a photo before a picture.
Meri has a great aesthetic. She's She's the pitcher goddess.

(01:22:16):
Kody says that Meri, he agrees. He gave her props as well.
Yes, everyone gets these great photos and then Meri gets the
photos from everyone else and I so identified.
Oh my God. Like I remember when I took
headshots at a job one time and I saw this photo of me and I
literally got verklempt. I think I might have even cried
because I was like, Oh my God, like this is a good photo of me.

(01:22:40):
Like I take photos of people andmake them look good all the
time. And so to have that is great.
And so I have a little bit of a shared experience with Meri on
this. And I don't know, it just made
sense. And I love that Christine.
He says that Christine the second.
The second funny part. Yes, Christine sabotages Meri's

(01:23:00):
pictures. So he says she sabotages them.
And Christine is like, no, I would never.
And then he goes, this is Christine taking a photo.
OK, hold still. Hold still.
Stay right there. Look a bird.
Look a bird. And.
Then. I was like, Oh my fucking God, I
think that is so perfect. And I just thought it was a very

(01:23:25):
accurate representation of thesepeople.
Like, oh. When I love it, it's so funny.
The cultural things like talkingabout a bird I'm familiar with
having people be like squirrel, squirrel.
Like that's the thing that I've heard like from friends of mine
that are like, oh, I have ADHD or I just have such a short
attention span. They're like squirrel, squirrel.
So to hear a bird, I was like, oh, OK.

(01:23:45):
I think because it literally fucking happened.
I think because literally Christine was like, look a.
Bird That probably did happen inCentral Park.
We're not talking hypothetically.
Look a. Squirrel we're talking about
literally there's a bird and. It was so cute and Meri says
like, oh, it's about the background and the whatever.
Do you remember what? OK, OK, OK.
So Meri would prefer photos thatare closer up on the faces

(01:24:10):
tight. OK.
Yep. And give detail.
Dean actually prefers photos that show more of the
background. So in Christine's mind, she's
not sabotaging the photos. She's taking them more.
She would like to see a photo. Yes.
So they're realizing in this moment that they've never
communicated about how each other would maybe like some of

(01:24:30):
these photos to be. So Christine is realizing I've
just taken terrible photos for you your entire life.
And she's like, yeah, what the fuck?
Why couldn't you do it this way?But they just never talked about
that. And they cracked a joke about it
being like 16 years of like, well, after 16 years, we talked
about it. And then Meri's like
communication, which I love because it's like, Oh yeah,
you're such an expert on communication because you've,
after 16 years, told someone howto take a picture of you.

(01:24:52):
But even like the dumbest thing that like they've been at least
Meri and Kody apparently have been just doing upon right.
Like, yeah, we'd ever have good pictures.
And it's like you could have just fucking asked her.
Yeah, like you just said it. Amen.
And it's a little hard to directpeople, but I understand.
It's been a lot. OK, I understand.

(01:25:14):
It was overall, it was fun to see them in the park taking
pictures because they were also being silly, like they were
being playful. And it was cute.
Having a fun little New York moment.
Yeah, yeah. Back home to Utah, right?
And news has spread fast. They went viral.
Kody says. They went viral and I was
wondering which virus this was. Kody, what virus do you have?

(01:25:40):
He'd be like I jumped out of an airplane but the thing didn't
open and now I'm hurling towardsmy virus.
Also, please don't hack my medical records.
Returning home, that's where thereal battlefield is.
According to someone, Probably Kody.
That sounds like a Kody line. Well, but it was very funny
because it went from so quickly that well.

(01:26:01):
This was a great experience, butwe just really need to get home
and we really need to feel. Concerned about the peace?
No, we need to feel like peace. And then immediately they get
home to a fucking shit show. It's like, yeah.
It was like when you get home after a trip and it's the night
up, like the sun was down. The like lighting was literally
night time lighting. And they're like and Maddie is

(01:26:23):
talking about going on blogs anddoing whatever.
It was totally parents arriving in the night time.
Totally. They had that vibe for real
family shit. Real family.
Guys, they're a real fucking family.
We know this. They actually are a real fucking
fucked up family just like the rest of us.
Literally when Maddie is talkingabout reading blogs to Janelle,

(01:26:44):
it felt like when my parents came home and it was evening
time and I told them about something or we talked about
something like it had a real family vibe.
It totally did. And Janelle talks about how
Maddie was reading blogs about the family and she said not to
and Maddie said it's not worth it.
She didn't really find. It when she.
She she read one or two and she was like, no.

(01:27:05):
She read some crappy shit and she was like, yeah, I'm done.
Yeah, Janelle, you know, reiterates that there's no
accountability for bloggers. Like, you could just set up a
website. You could just say whatever you
want. And she says, you know, say it
to my face. I loved that I loved that, and I
mean Amen true today, right, like all the keyboard warriors
that are out there. I mean no offense to you guys.

(01:27:26):
We we take your I. Was gonna say I feel I felt
personally attacked by Janelle because I was like girl, well I
would love to say it to her face.
I would love to have a face to. Face with Janelle.
Yeah, Janelle, call me call. Me.
Janelle, can you hear me? We're so much more fun than
code. E-mail our advertising e-mail
address, which is on the website, and we'll have you on

(01:27:47):
the show anyway. You're not desperate, no.
Any but it totally does make sense.
I mean, anyone can say anything.They did choose to put
themselves in the public and that's what comes with it.
Anybody that's done anything like this will say people are
going to find out the dirt aboutyou, they're going to slander
you. They're going to say that you
don't know what you're doing andthat you're terrible.

(01:28:08):
And that's, I mean, yes, that's definitely expected from the
public. I guess there was a level of
this and we haven't even gotten to like the crazy stuff yet.
But like, I guess there's a level to this that even after
they did these TV shows and these interviews and it's

(01:28:30):
starting to get around online and all of that, like they fully
knew what was going to like thatthis could happen anyway.
Let's just say that this could happen.
And now they come home and they've been so concerned about
their teenagers and saying don'tdo this and do don't do that and

(01:28:50):
don't read this and don't read that.
And it's like, well, first of all, teenagers are fucking
teenagers and they're going to do what they're going to do.
And you can't tell them not to. I mean, Amen that she stopped
herself from doing so. But like you put them here, but
then they're but then we're so concerned about it.
And willful blindfullness on thepart of parents, particularly on

(01:29:12):
TV when they're filmed. And then it's part of the
episode being like, no, my kids aren't going to see this, so
we're not going to do it. It's like, that's so naive.
Hello kids, find out anything. And I don't think, like I don't
legitimately think that their intentions were terrible.
Like I think they actually did probably weigh a lot of
possibilities about this. And I think that there's a good

(01:29:34):
chunk of that that's financial that has obviously supported
their family for a decade plus now.
And so like, I get that piece ofit, but I just think it's so
interesting. However, now as I'm saying that,
I'm sitting there thinking that like literally that's what every
parent does. Literally every parent just

(01:29:57):
lives their life, whether it's this job or that job, whether
they're kids involved or not, whether they travel or not,
whether they're together with a spouse or not, like all they're
just living their life. And so part of me wants to be
like, what the fuck? And then part of me is like,
look, if I was in those shoes, Idon't know how what I would have
done, you know, So I tried it. It's just such a mind fuck

(01:30:20):
sometimes. Then there's a moment on the
couch and Kody says that he hopes people can connect with
their family. Now, this is a theme of the
whole thing. Like this is they're reiterating
it over and over again. And I don't know, it does
humanize him a bit to to hear this from him.
I don't know if it's genuine or not, but he does say that he
hopes people connect with his family.

(01:30:42):
And they're just like every other family, quote UN quote.
And in many ways, they are. Yeah, they all kind of say some
version of that, right? And I agree that or at least
seemingly it really does show that that is what they were
intending to do with this project, right?
Like that is what they were intending to do.

(01:31:03):
I think that all of those thingsare 100% genuine.
When they say that we are a family, we are not terrible
people. We think it's OK to show other
people that we're not terrible people.
Yeah, yeah. Cut to a week later.
Oh, and it's great because they do the hard, the hard cut.

(01:31:25):
And then all of a sudden, Meredith Vieira's back on the TV
screen and she is reporting on the family and how the state of
Utah or the local police. I didn't catch, did you?
Lehigh Police. Lehigh Police OK, so the Lehigh
police have started investigations A bigamy for the
Brown family. Yet they're facing possible
criminal charges. Criminal charges, you know, and

(01:31:47):
then they land that it's up to the Utah attorney general to
file charges based on their findings.
At this point, we aren't given alot of details about this
investigation from the perspective of the Lehigh
police, but clearly them going on national television and
coming out has triggered whatever it is to the point
where a week later on national TV, they're circling back being

(01:32:09):
like an investigation has started.
And once again, I hate to say it, but like good producers,
good people on the on the beatenpath, wherever they are finding
this information, knowing that there are investigations into
this family and they're reporting it a week later on the
Today show, that would make me nervous too.
Not only being under investigation, but having it put

(01:32:29):
on national TV that you're underinvestigation, that's another
level. Now I think that they expected
this to an extent though. Like, I don't think that this
was super. True.
Unheard of that this could happen.
Yeah, likely outcome. The thing that I don't get
though, and it kind of plays outlike this, I think, I hope I, I,

(01:32:51):
I don't know for sure, but like he's not legally married to more
than one person. Right.
So like he hasn't broken any law.
Right. Like you can cohabitate with
many people and live with many people in many different ways.
And like so it is and. Give each other made-up titles
straight up. It's it's, it's, it's just kind

(01:33:14):
of directed at this specific thing.
And unless you can prove that within that family, some of
those shitty things that Robyn was talking about are taking
place. Laws broken.
Yeah, like, well, any of it it, I just don't understand it.
But clearly, yes, it was that much of a thing.

(01:33:36):
It was that much of a thing thatthey were under investigation
and it was not a pleasant experience.
We don't know how it ends yet atthis point, but at the beginning
it was not enjoyable for all thethings that came up.
And to reiterate, I don't know if we are just common sense
people. I'm speaking for both both you

(01:33:57):
and I right now. But as we talked about, how do
you prove this in a court of law?
Like what is this jumbled mumbled bullshit?
A guy is legally married to one woman and cohabitates with three
others and calls them wife. How is this a crime?
Like how do you prove that even?Like what even is Even if they
went on TV and said this is whatwe're doing how is that a crime?

(01:34:18):
It's insane. I totally am on the side of the
Browns with this and other polygamous families.
If they are not frauding, abusing, lying and breaking
other laws where it's like, whatare you even talking about?
I want to be like, what is something?
What is a animal or some animal,mammal, slash, whatever,
Something that's illegal for me to have in my own home.

(01:34:39):
And I want to learn the word forthat.
And then I want to label you Chris for being in my own home.
Chris is of this person and or this thing and then have the law
come after me because I have puta word to you that you're not
like. Siberian Tiger.
Well, right. Like literally like I can't have
a pet tiger. Well shit, you know, arrest.
My pet tiger. He's my pet tiger.

(01:35:02):
What the fuck? Like, that's what I don't
understand, but it's a thing. It was definitely a thing.
It was real. I would be so curious to see if
there were cases where they brought bigamy charges against
people and if they were successful in any of those
charges or if the success was all about the, the, the

(01:35:24):
accompanied charges, right. If there were, if there was tax
fraud, benefits fraud, you couldbe found guilty of that.
But how are you found guilty of bigamy?
Listen, it's probably kind of like the waste, fraud and abuse
conversation just in general. Like the assumption is that
there are so many people abusingthe system and especially within

(01:35:47):
this particular culture or faithor whatever we want to label it
cult. And they maybe there is, you
know, yes, behavior of that. So they're going to start an
investigation because they have history with families like this.
However, that doesn't need to besomething announced to the

(01:36:09):
fucking public because of like you don't announce every
investigation to the public likethis is this is.
But the Browns did go on a pressjunket.
And so people are probably asking, I don't know that, you
know, you know. The Sheriff's Department doesn't
have to answer questions to anybody.
They don't want to answer questions.
Yeah, 101 hundred. It just, it's, it's all messy,

(01:36:31):
it's convoluted. And in the great state of Utah,
apparently you can be persecutedfor living with someone and
calling them your spouse. Yeah, not.
Any like, that's ridiculous. And see this, it seems, seems
like age-old times or something because with the acceptance
level of where like the country is as a whole, clearly Leahy,

(01:36:51):
Utah is not there. Lehigh.
Shit, Leahy. Leahy, Utah.
Leahy better. Yeah, let's do that instead,
Lehigh. It is weird.
It is weird. It doesn't make sense for if you
have sensibility of the last century, it doesn't.
Doesn't make sense. So they're back in Lehigh and

(01:37:12):
they're at the house and it's a little, I don't know if I want
to say jarring, but it's a bit like, Oh my gosh, all of a
sudden they're back in the houseand they're in, they're in
Christine's basement place. They're, they're in wherever
they are based her, her whatever.
She's a basement wife, right? That's what they call him.
Christine points out that there is press filming the house and

(01:37:37):
they are coming very close to the house.
Like we see actual footage of someone walking up because it's
a split entry home. Her windows are right at the
sidewalk and you see someone walking.
Now, who is that person? It's not like they have a press
pass and you see them like it's Connie Chung or something, like
you don't know who it is, but like there's someone walking up
that they are making it seem like that's that person's not

(01:37:57):
supposed to be there and they are literally coming up to the
door. And you know, that made me
uncomfortable and I would just, it's so cringe how and I don't
know if it's just a production thing, but how it just went from
like the trip update and others people at the house, it made me
so uncomfortable for them and their children.
I couldn't imagine having press parked outside of the house

(01:38:18):
right now, filming us, waiting for us to come outside and do
something. That's crazy.
I didn't like that either. It did seem like a fairly quick
transition on. There was a couple of things
that I noted. So the kids were about to, like,
come home on the school bus, andthey didn't want the younger

(01:38:42):
kids to be recorded by paparazzi.
Yep, there's the photographer staked outside.
Yep, literally across. And they did have the guy walk
right in front of the house to which, yeah, I would like, Oh my
God, that would Yeah, Yeah. And not a.
But from the street it's probably not illegal.
It's not illegal enough and theycan do that.
So they had watched this camera across the street all day and as

(01:39:06):
it was approaching time for the younger kids to get off the bus,
they they were very concerned about that.
They didn't want them to be taped by paparazzi, so they
created a diversion. Yeah, Meri was the brainchild
behind this diversion. Yes, well, and it worked.
Now the funniest part to me was they, you know, they take off

(01:39:28):
and what, the convertible or something hysterical.
Her Chrysler version of Kody's Lexus, Yeah.
Blow it in the wind. She gets the Chrysler, he's got
the Lexus. Oh my God.
With two kids, I think two kids.Two of the kids, they cruise
off, they know exactly what they're doing.
This photographer gets in this SUV and follows them.

(01:39:51):
The thing that I just thought was hysterical was the TLC
camera was on the same side of the street filming, filming
where the photographer was. Yeah.
So like photographer drives awayand TLC camera.
Is filming that? Films that and like the photog
is like cheesy smiling at the other camera dude like this is

(01:40:12):
just so weird. It almost gives me a little
element of unbelievability, I hate to say that I feel like.
Make it seem like will you just follow them or like what?
Like or were the photographers just like fucking with each
other on the street? Like, hey man, yo, like.
Like, this is my gig, what's your gig?
We. Worked together three months ago
like. I mean, it was fucking weird,

(01:40:32):
yeah, but the parents were trying to do the right thing.
And it did work. A parent.
It was a. Fun ploy that she drove off in
the convertible and these photographers are.
Cameras following the cameras like cameras following cameras
following. Cameras down the street and
then, you know, luckily the kidsgot to get off the bus and go
into the house. And I thought it was cool.
Meri did seem to be a little like I thought of this idea like

(01:40:56):
she was. Yeah, she shook her titties
exactly like you just did. She was shaking her titties and
she was proud and she should have taken that moment because
she was successful. No, it was good.
I really liked the forethought with that, actually.
Like that was pretty because because part of it was that
their reaction was to just stay hidden and they didn't want to

(01:41:17):
go out and it's. Very real time, like there are
people out of outside of your house, yeah, stayed out there
like. I would I freak out if somebody
perks on a street corner. It's a lost DoorDash person.
OK, like. That is true.
That is true. I I've done the same thing.
Christine says, you know that ithas been hard.
And she asked how do you plan for this?

(01:41:38):
And I thought that was a great question because how do you plan
for it? They knew there was going to be
some reaction, but what reaction?
And I don't know that I would expect.
Let's say our show for some reason triggered someone to show
up outside of your very home tomorrow.
Call that out in the universe. Well, no one's going to show up.
But if they did, I would be like, Oh my God, how did this

(01:42:01):
happen? You know, like, and what do we
do? Like, how do you even plan for
that? I don't know how you plan for.
It we grab our weapons, What? Are you going to club Kody and
shave him? The fire poker.
Oh, the fire poker. Oh, but a razor.
Good razor. Good choice.
Oh, you got the bat. You've.
Got a bat? You've got a fire.
Poker guys and we've. Got a Clippers for Kody's hair?
We are safe. We are defending.

(01:42:23):
The don't you worry, don't you worry.
And Kody, my favorite line from the end of the towards the end
of the episode is Kody saying itputs you in touch with your
maker. OK.
And it. Was very dramatic.
OK, Kody's diatribe. Because that's what he did.
He just went off for a few minutes about all the things,

(01:42:45):
even though he wasn't actually there to like help with any of
those things, interestingly enough, as you might notice.
OK. And then the the camera stayed
on his face way too fucking long.
Like they just like he stopped talking and they just like
zoomed panned in on that fuckingface.
They gave him that drama. They did.

(01:43:07):
Oh, it was gross. And it puts you in touch with
your maker. OK, Kody.
So to wrap up the episode, they have a family meeting, which
obviously they should have at this point.
So that makes sense. Seems kind of important.
Yep, and I, you know, I once again, we've given them a couple
parenting thumbs up this episode.

(01:43:27):
And this is another one for me is letting the kids know that
everyone knows your name because100% you think about when you're
a kid and you talk about, I hateto say the word abductions, I
hate to say the negative stuff, but the things that you are
warned about as a child to not engage in or to just leave or to
yell for help. And just because someone knows

(01:43:48):
your name does not mean you engage with them.
And this is a whole nother dynamic because when you're
talking about being on ATV show,it's there's a whole other thing
to that. And I thought that was a really
great advice to not even just for the young ones, for anyone,
like just because, because I could use that advice.
If someone came out to me was like, Chris, I'd be like, Oh my
gosh, like I, I would need a reminder that like, you don't

(01:44:09):
know this person, like stop. So I thought that was actually
really good. I think so too.
And I think you're right. It's not just that like stranger
danger. It's not like that you can just
be abducted. There are literally people
trying to get stories out about your family now so if they can

(01:44:30):
find a kid to vomit kid shit. Which is always true.
I mean, you know, and the ethicsbehind all of that or the
legalities or all of the things,yeah, a whole big hot mess, but
they get a sound bite and they're going to use that.
And that's so I, it's interesting because I think
that's more the reason that theywere trying to explain some of

(01:44:52):
that stuff. It's like, listen, people are
going to come up to you and ask you some crazy fucking
questions. And you have to remember that
you do not talk to anybody aboutthat shit.
You don't know them. You don't.
Know them, don't talk to them. So it's that was interesting and
I enjoyed that they did that. And I don't, they're not bad

(01:45:14):
parents. They've never been bad parents
today. I don't think they're bad
parents. I I think.
Not well. Kody's a whole nother story.
OK, they're not bad mothers. Yes, let's say that they're not
bad mothers. Yep.
And I do actually. I don't know if Kody led the
charge about, you know, everyoneknows your name.

(01:45:34):
I feel like that's what happened, but I think.
It was Christine that said. It oh, maybe it was OK, Great.
Well then that, that makes me feel better because yes, they're
not bad mothers. And that is.
Kody even thinks about this shit, he thinks about himself.
He doesn't think about this. He's not thinking about his kids
and this, the women. OK, well let's really get into
this because now it's really happened.

(01:45:55):
Now I'm registering it and I apologize.
It took me a minute. OK, OK, OK.
He hasn't cared. He hasn't said shit about caring
about how the kids think. Actually, at least at the end
here, he's only talking about himself, isn't he?
Did he? Did he say in his diatribe?
Did he talk about the kids? No, he was just talking about

(01:46:15):
his own experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then they moved to the wives, and the wives talk about
the family and the children. Yeah, but he doesn't.
Yeah. Yeah, Amen.
OK. You're right.
We are not surprised. Though but I forgot it didn't
even. I didn't even get there yet.
I. Know, I know, I know Robyn talks
about how anything worth achieving includes a struggle.

(01:46:39):
I am a sucker for that kind of bullet point.
I'm a sucker for it. Like I heard it and I was like,
Yep, anything in my life worth achieving took struggle and took
effort and took a lot of trial and try just it doesn't just get
placed. You don't just get handed things
that are worth it in my opinion,so I get that.
I think that's fair, but I I also think that there's a level

(01:47:01):
to that that's unnecessary. Like you can achieve things
without struggle, right? It's not that anything worth
achieving you have to struggle for.
OK. You can achieve things without
struggle. The thing that they're trying to
achieve has struggle behind it, and they are deciding that

(01:47:24):
achieving that is worth the struggle that they're going
through. You can achieve things without
struggle. Maybe they're more valuable if
you've struggled to get them. Maybe you have more pride in the
effort that you put behind it. But I think that that's just a
way of her trying to validate that the decisions that they've
made are going to be worth the struggle.

(01:47:47):
Not not like in a bad way, but like.
Maybe. Maybe it's borderlining out a
bit of a martyr thing for her, Idon't know.
No, that's where that's kind of what I mean, though.
That's kind of what I mean, because she's trying to say so,
OK, they do not have to be on this TV show today, correct, To
survive their lives, right? This is not a live or die

(01:48:08):
scenario. Yeah, yeah.
They are making this choice and there will be struggle, but if
they make it through positively,that struggle will have been
worth it and this achievement will be like, Oh my God, look,
we did it. That's great.
They could get just regular jobs.
It's so true. They could just get regular jobs
and live their life. Listeners, if there is a concept

(01:48:31):
or a theory about this where you're making yourself a martyr
for a thing that doesn't necessarily have to happen, but
you're romanticizing that you are going to be the one that
changes perception, but it's going to come with struggle.
Is there a term for that? And do.
You, but we don't hate it. I'm not.
I'm not being a hater, I'm just,I don't.
Think no, I think. I don't think you're being a

(01:48:53):
hater. But.
Really like big changes do come from struggle generally.
And I think she's talking about not just their family, she's
talking about changing perception of polygamists and
polygamy. And I I can definitely.
Say, changing perceptions about polygamy and that goal.
Yes, yeah. Sure.
Yeah, yes. That is a different end goal,

(01:49:15):
right? Like there's layers, there's
layers, there's lots of layers. When you go broad, I mean, I can
identify because as a as a queerperson, there are conversations
you have with people maybe whereyou don't just go along with the
fact that someone said you have a wife and you play along with
it. Maybe you actually say no, I
have a husband and you make it uncomfortable for that person to

(01:49:36):
sit in that for a second. Or just don't assume that it
would be uncomfortable for that person to hear you say that,
because maybe it's not at all. Yes, 100.
So I think that Robyn's perspective was a little bit
more about broadening people's understanding.
Of I hope so. I hope so.
Yeah, let's hope it wasn't just about them, but also because
it's Robyn, it probably was. I know I feel like you're giving

(01:49:57):
her more credit. I totally probably am.
She was probably like, this is my journey to bring too much
struggle into my family. I don't know.
I don't know. I, I'm not minimizing struggle
and I do think amazing things can come from that.
And so I'm not it, it, it is notthat, it is that when you are
taking the path that will have the most challenges and

(01:50:20):
struggles. Yeah.
Right. Like, like willingly.
So this is what we're doing then?
That's what you expect, right? Then that's what's going to
happen. Yeah.
So I you know. That makes sense.
That makes sense. I think it's also backed up.
I should say backed up, but maybe the reason that my mind
went with a little bit more of alike kind heart on that.

(01:50:41):
I shouldn't say kind. I'm not like I'm not trying to
insinuate the John I'm kind heart, but Meri gets emotional
while. They're I know the end was was
really sweet. No, she.
Talks about being scared and about how the family could get
split up. Yeah, you know, and they're
literally looking at real repercussions from this.
This isn't like a I tried hard on a Thursday night and then I

(01:51:01):
got something great on a Friday.Like this is a real fucking
struggle for them. That they created.
That they created. I know like this.
Is it this? Is it No, but I'm not, I'm not
trying to minimize it. It, yeah, it was, yes.
I would not envy being in the position that their family is
in. It seems very scary.
It seems very uncomfortable. It seems very unfair.

(01:51:22):
I don't think there's anything good about it.
And so, yeah, I wouldn't want tobe there either.
Do you remember the final question that they asked
everybody at the end of the episode?
It was knowing what you know now, would you do it again in
the future? And they all said they would,
except for Christine. Literally.

(01:51:45):
And Christine, she didn't reallyprovide much rationale behind
her choice of saying this. She just said she didn't know
that it was tough and that I maybe did she say something that
I don't recall. OK.
She just made it seem like it was like, I don't know if I
would. I really don't.
And kind of that I'm not a Christine hater, but that whole
like, I don't know. I just, I'm no, I don't know if

(01:52:05):
I would. But was interesting to me was
before that. So Meri got all emotional and
then said, you know, yeah, if I had to do it again, I would.
I would do it. She's all emotional about
Janelle is asked and she is like, you know what it's been.
Yeah, it's been tough. But I guess I guess, you know, I

(01:52:27):
think I would. And Robyn, of course, would do
it again. She probably said nicer things,
but just of course she would. And so at that point I was
really like, Oh my God, they would all do.
It again. I'm going to do it again.
That's I. Really had it written down and
then cross it. Out that was my vibe because.
Christine was like, no, probablynot.

(01:52:50):
And I don't think she has to explain it, but I guess maybe
I'm surprised a little bit at that moment that she says it.
I hope we learn more about why. I hope we learn more about
whatever is happening behind thescenes.
Because I don't think this is a her and Kody thing.
I think this is more of a maybe family and kids thing that she

(01:53:11):
is saying no and there's not. Well, maybe there is enough
about Kody already. I don't.
Know. Unclear.
The the vibe as they were answering was definitely that
they were all going to say that they would choose it again.
And Christine didn't say that. And no.
And now to your favorite part ofevery episode, Mustard Seed and

(01:53:31):
shit stain. Now we don't think about this
enough, what we're actually watching or preparing.
So I feel like the question always catches us a little off
guard, but do you want to get usstarted this week, honey, with
your mustard seed? Yeah, I mean, sure, again, I
haven't started thinking about it until about 3 seconds ago,
but I'm going to go with MustardSeed for Christine for a

(01:53:58):
multitude of reasons actually #1the fact that she recognized she
wouldn't do it again already immediately I think is telling
for where their future goes. But also just seeing her be like
cute at home mom, cooking the breakfast, doing the things,

(01:54:21):
taking care of all the kids, like whatever.
I think this episode really kindof highlighted her in a really
good light, I guess I would say.And maybe she had some that were
not so great last season. So I think this one really
showcased Christine in a a very positive manner.
I think my mustard seed of this episode.

(01:54:43):
Oh my gosh, this is so challenging when you haven't
thought about it like, Oh my God.
OK, Mustard seed I. Think Lesson yet?
I think my mustard seed is probably going to go to Meri and
my mustard seed's going to go toMeri because the things that she
is given credit for in the family are items that we even

(01:55:05):
joke about being a little bit undervalued.
And I identify with her as a photographer.
And I think she probably does goout of her way to do things that
she thinks would benefit others and that she thinks would help
others. And we all show up for people in
the way that we can. And I think that's how she shows
up for people. And that maybe these folks,

(01:55:27):
they're just maybe not synced. They're not in the same vibe,
they're not whatever. A bit unrecognized.
Unrecognized 100. Her titles definitely have
unrecognized vibe. So I want to give her my mustard
seed because I thought it was cool that in New York she wanted
to take photos. She was all but going to Central
Park and she shows up for thingsand is unrecognized in a way.

(01:55:47):
So I'm giving it to Meri. And also I do have to put an
asterisk next to this by saying like I didn't really feel like
anyone else gave me mustard seedenergy this episode so I'm just
giving it to Meri. Shit stain.
Shit stain Robyn. Robyn, Robyn gets your shit
stained. So why does Robyn have your shit
stain? You know, cuz she had some

(01:56:07):
moments of actual like authenticity about like how she
grew up and things like that. But it still comes out that she
feels like she is not a part of everything else and like things
aren't the same for her. And even though sometimes she
says it like she's wanting to become part of the big house, I

(01:56:29):
don't think I believe that she wants to be a part of the big
house. And I think that that's a lie.
And I think that that's the reason that they don't
ultimately end up in a big house.
I think that she has a bit to dowith that.
So I think she is feigning this.I can't wait.
And I feel like I'm separated and we're all going to be

(01:56:49):
together when she fucking knows they're not ever going to be
together. And.
Well, this is it. It's a little bit.
Little conspiracy theory on my end I guess.
But but it reminds me of and andI don't mean to dumb it down,
but like talk the talk first walk the walk, you know, and I
think she talks the talk about wanting these things.
But we don't see her, for example, through this season.

(01:57:11):
Will we see her making a push tolike move in with the with the
family? No.
And now they get sidetracked andthings change.
But I don't know that we ever see her make a big push to live
with anybody else. Ever Right words, wrong actions.
Yes, 100. And I just kind of got the ick
in thinking about that because she is, she's seeming is so

(01:57:35):
great about it. And it's like, bitch, please.
Yeah, yeah. No, you don't mean it.
That makes sense. My shit stain is easy and it's
not even deep. It's just, well, it's deep if
you consider the filth level. It's just Christine.
Just Christine, That house, thathouse now.
Well, the house, OK. Like I just can't do it.
And it's me being a shallow, vapid gay man.

(01:57:56):
I can't deal. I can't deal.
I. Can't deal.
It's like pull out a fucking cleaning solution girl.
Like this is not OK. Our Keep Sweet moment this week
is a YouTube comment on one of our episodes from MW 3191.
Shout out MW 3191, they said. Loving the pod.

(01:58:17):
We seem like kindred spirits. And.
I appreciate that this OK, so MWunfortunately I don't know what
your name is. This is what's funny about
usernames, right? So M West, it's great.
MW has commented on several of our posts, is really showing up
for us in our podcast journey and that's really awesome.

(01:58:38):
So we just want to say thank youfor that.
I want to point that out. I think that's really sweet MW
if we're kindred spirits, do youwant our therapist
recommendations too? We you know it's hard being in
these brains sometimes. So if you ever need help, don't
reach out to us, but we can direct you to the professionals

(01:59:00):
and we really appreciate you though, for real.
For real though. So next week we'll be doing
Season 2 episode 2. Thank you for following us into
Season 2. There's only going to be highs,
lows, middles, very lows, very highs to continue.
Hang on. Hang on for the wild ride,
everybody. Good night.
Oh, good afternoon. Good evening.

(01:59:21):
Good morning, Good night. This is it.
It's all good night. I know I can't fucking do that.
Bye, guys. Good night.
What the fuck?

All Episodes

Sister Wives S2 E1 - Browns Out of Hiding

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know

24/7 News: The Latest

Crime Junkie

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Sister Wives S2 E1 - Browns Out of Hiding