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Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Allie, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.
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That's us all right. See you on the.
Flip side. What does the nanny do?
OK, so we're done. Goodbye.
You shut it off. Do not twist my words.
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Do not make me a. Victim Sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife and the kidneys over.
All these. Years and the sacrifices that I
made to love you. The price of polygamy.
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Dramatic. Season 2 episode 3.
Pretty exciting stuff. Well, I had a little chuckle
moment for myself when they weredoing the intros at the
beginning because they have their where the camera goes by
them as they're I don't know if they're photos.
I think they're just photos. Maybe they're moving.
I don't know. But it's very much intro and
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it's Meri, Janelle, Christine, Robyn and Kody.
And they say they're tag lines, which we haven't discussed the
tag lines. Which is interesting.
We have not, and maybe we, maybewe will.
But the one that sticks out to me, of course, is Kody saying
love should be multiplied, not divided.
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And it's very interesting thing to say for a man who is marrying
his fourth wife, who eventually ends up with only one.
And that story is still not finished, so.
Oh 'cause there could be none. Well, we who knows?
The future is still the future. We just wrapped Season 19 in
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real life. Like real time.
Like what's happening right now while we're recording this?
No real surprises there because as we've discussed many times,
this show moves very slowly and there's not a lot of things that
happen. So I feel like when I watch it
in real time, I couldn't even tell you what happens.
But then again, that's kind of like rewatching it.
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The the four part season finale,the one-on-one interview Ness or
whatever. I will give them some credit
because they had some interesting kind of puzzle
piece, like even some of the stuff that we're talking about
today in these early episodes were referenced in this last
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season's and interviews, right? Like there's actually like quite
a bit of tie back to this very beginning part.
And so that was interesting because as we're seeing all of
the other stuff and then flipping to current day, it was
like what? It was bizarre.
So doing this has been fun in inconjunction with that finishing
up. So in this episode they tell us
that Kody is going to bring Janelle to Arches National Park
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which is in beautiful Moab, Utah.
They try to get away twice a year.
That area of the country is so beautiful.
Oh my God, it was. Gorgeous.
And I don't know, I haven't stayed overnight anywhere or
done anything crazy like that. I've only driven through it a
few times. Like that corner of Nevada,
Arizona, Utah is so pretty and it's like you see it on TV and
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it doesn't add up or it doesn't size up.
Like it's so much prettier in real life.
It's gorgeous. I agree, I don't think you can
do the the colors of that landscape justice on film.
Almost right. Like it is completely beautiful
and it was fun to see some of that.
It was definitely enjoyable to watch their their little camping
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adventure. Their little camping adventure.
They try to get away twice a year, is what they were saying,
while they're packing and getting ready.
It's funny because they cut to Janelle folding up things, doing
whatever. She's primarily getting ready.
It seems like in Kody's just coming in at some point and he's
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going to go do something. And she says try to be fast, try
to be focused. I heard the try to be fast part.
I think I missed the focus. That's hysterical.
It was so good because whatever he was doing, he was on his way
to go do something. And she was like, OK, like, rein
it in, Here we go. We are packing to leave.
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Very, very funny. And then they what they're
hopefully only fight for the weekend happened as they were
packing things up right? Janelle is getting things ready
in their room. Looks, you know, things for
camping. Blankets, pillows, whatnot.
Like piles of stuff and the sleeping bags don't set.
Oh, that's right, Kody's like these need to be rolled up.
They're sleeping bags and Janelle's like.
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Reminded me of how you say he always comes in and blows stuff
up and causes chaos and that's exactly what he was doing.
I mean, it wasn't super chaotic,but it was also like, he's got
to fuck something up here. Totally.
Janelle has like everything pretty much probably accounted
for and he's coming in and going, oh, sleeping bags need to
be rolled up and she's like, there's no zipper.
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The zipper's broken and he's like, well, then we'll just go
to the store and buy something. Janelle's like, we can just
sleep with these. We have multiple sleeping bags,
blankets, pillows. We have all the things we need.
She says that she always likes to be thrifty and that Kody's
default is to buy solutions, like to quickly go and buy
something to solve the problem. I see the value in both to a
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certain extent because sometimesyou do just want to like not
deal with it. And if it's inexpensive and
whatever, you know, something like buying sleeping bags when
you don't need them for one overnight is not a decision I
would make. So it was actually a good
example demonstrating how he solves problems.
Probably well that he chooses tosolve problems by just going to
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buy something if he can, rather than using what he already has.
I find that myself is likely thefuck it will just go buy new
stuff, right? Like that's probably what I'm
choosing to do. But knowing where they're at
financially in the family, whichwe talk more about this later on
in the episode. Like Janelle is like, you dummy,
we're not going to go spend 50 bucks on sleeping bags.
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That's ridiculous. You know, Yeah.
Also very funny when you actually see them setting up the
tent later in the episode as well, because they're not like
sleeping on pads. They have a blow up air
mattress. Yeah, a regular.
You don't need a fucking sleeping bag.
Yeah, on an 18 inch off the ground blow up air mattress.
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Like, come on, you idiot. I don't know.
I that just made the whole argument to me even funnier.
Like, it's not like you need to be sleeping with this underneath
and wrapped around you, you know, Kody. 100 and as a
primarily single person in my entire life, I know don't cry
for me, Argentina. I get jealous of couples that
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have their 18 inch off the ground blow up mattress and
their blanket. I've gone in and been like, can
I cuddle with you guys? And it's so warm and it's so
comfortable. I'm like, I'm sleeping on the
ground with no other heat. No one gives a fuck.
I could die in this tent and no one would know.
And you have all of these life luxuries.
But so yeah, definitely some blankets on a blow up mattress
is perfectly fine for camping, especially if you're actually
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camping. Right, right.
So they made it through the fight, thank goodness.
But they, I, I can't say, seem like they were in full agreement
when they shoved the blankets in, you know, the vehicle as
they were heading out. A good compromise that Janelle
got her way. Yes.
She. Sure did as she fucking should
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have in this situation. Totally, totally.
They show a few clips of the family.
So then they start transitioninginto kind of their nests, how
they have to live on a budget because they don't have a lot of
money. They have to make ends meet.
And one of the voice overs from Kody is that he, he says, I want
to say it's communal, but it's really more socialistic, which
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is interesting because I'm not sure that he quite understands
how those things are fairly paralleled.
And I don't know if he thinks that socialistic sounds worse
than communal. I, I don't really know.
I mean, he's definitely a where we go when we go all person and
so whatever. He's Mr. Independent, he's never
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had to rely on anybody, blah blah, blah, blah.
He's whatever that means. But realistically he's saying
his family is kind of like socialism because people
contribute and they take out andthey live.
Did that do anything for you? I don't know, I think that that
might be trying to make it sounda little bit more overly
complicated than what it is, right?
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Like or putting a label on it that's unnecessary.
You're, you're a family living together as a family and
everyone contributes in their own way and together you support
your family, right? Like it's nobody's getting a
free ride per SE, right? Like they are all just working.
I I would say it is communal really, but like, I don't know,
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it doesn't seem. But like every family.
Is right like it's not groundbreaking to me so I don't
know like if. The son needs shoes.
You're like, go get a job and. That's not and there's a lot of
families in the country world that live lives together,
different generations, differentthings, right?
Like there's a lot of different family situations.
So to me, I'm just like, duh, ofcourse you guys are going to do
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that. But he did say that the number
one question they get asked is how can they afford it, right?
Like how can they afford what they do?
And I think we've kind of known the basics of what they do, you
know, in the last season and beginning of this.
But they went a little bit more in detail with how they handle
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all of that stuff, I guess, which was, I mean, interesting,
you know, like, I don't know. There's a voice or there's an
interview, a spotlight moment for Janelle where she references
that with Robyn joining their family, that they have finite
resources and they need to make them stretch further because
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another person is joining the family.
They gave a few details about what some of the people were
going through. What do you what?
What were those details? So they kind of shared a little
bit about how Janelle was, yes, worried, right, that Robyn
coming in was not going to be easy for them.
But Christine was like, Oh my gosh, I have help.
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You know, she has truly as a baby, she has all of this.
It was relief for her. And she was like, OK, cool, I
have somebody else. So there was a little bit of
more balance for her. I do think it's interesting
because they said it several times in this episode, and maybe
we've heard a little bit before about how Christine was really
being stretched thin, you know, even before she had truly, but
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just that it was like a lot thatshe had been kind of struggling
with that. So that was interesting.
I kind of think that when they're talking about that, it's
when she was still working part time.
But I don't know. And I mean, to be fair, watching
that many kids is a challenge. I'm not trying to make it sound
like it isn't, but I think one person would be able to do it.
I I don't know, she was bored out over gored the first day the
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kids went to school, so you know.
Yeah, I think watching that manykids, I'd not survive right.
I'd be capable of doing it right, but I would not be a
happy person. Because her narrative is still
that she enjoys doing it. She like this is what she wants
to do to contribute to the family.
She doesn't want to work. So, you know, maybe it was too
much and maybe I'm just an asshole who doesn't have any
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kids, but, you know, you know. Amen, I guess.
Yeah, there's. Maybe it's a little in the
middle. It's a little in the middle.
We're not, you know, maybe we'renot totally like she's terrible,
but also like she could do a little more and probably still
be OK, right? Yeah.
And I don't think that it's terrible.
I'm I'm more thinking like trying to give her a little
grace if it is from when she wasalso working because that for
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the expectations to be that you're the stay at home parent
who has a part time job, that isnot a stay at home parent like
no. So you know.
Yeah, it's, it's tricky. And I'm sure figuring out how to
balance out. Well, clearly they struggle with
figuring out how to balance all of that, right.
Yeah, Robyn said something alongthe lines of how it was like her
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rite of passage, right? Like, going through all of this
and then, you know, definitely how she felt uncomfortable not
having anything financially to contribute when she came in.
Clearly, there had been plenty of conversations with the family
about finances and how Janelle was very concerned.
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Like, you can tell that Robyn isconcerned that Janelle is
concerned. Yes, yes.
So she's like, I just need to show them my value and hope that
the disruption was worth it, right?
Which is so great to watch now knowing what happens in the
future. Turns out.
Most of the things she says in this episode, it's like, wow,
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that is not how that turned out.Her holy shit.
If only they had known. Like you are saying the right
thing. As you have pointed out the
entire first season she says theright thing.
Does it happen Only if the future will tell us.
But she's saying the right thing.
Quote UN quote. Sure she is trying.
And they kind of do a little breakdown of how Kody and
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Janelle make the bulk of the money.
Janelle references that they basically take care of the
mortgage and the utilities at the compound.
Yeah. Robyn moves to town, and they
have to rent an apartment for someone who doesn't have an
income. Interesting.
OK Meri supports herself in the sense of paying for her bills.
She makes it clear that she doesn't make the kind of money
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that Kody and Janelle make. I think they're only referencing
Kody making that kind of money because he's the man.
I don't know that who knows how much money he made, but I don't
think it's enough to support hisfamily.
Which is why Janelle also works and then also Meri works.
She just doesn't make a lot according to her.
But she also only has one child at home.
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And because of that, it does feel like they have kind of a
bit of a separate budget. Like she might not have to
contribute to paying for the mortgage in the utilities, but
it does feel like she takes careof herself and Leon in a bit of
a silo financially, maybe asks for less.
And I don't want to say contributes less because I'm not
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sure what that means when you have a a part time income and
you don't have a roof to pay forover your head.
Like, I don't really know how that works out, but it does feel
like there's a differentiation there.
Janelle made some comment about how you know they all try to
work together for the needs of the kids and that while they
have to be stingy sometimes, they at least meet their very
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basic needs. Yes, the kids basic needs are
met and that they are honest with the kids, particularly the
older ones, about what their budget is after paying bills.
And I think it was Janelle that says that Maddie would have her
buying something with every paycheck if it was up to Maddie.
And I'm going well, like, yeah, when you're 15 years old, it's
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like every paycheck. I'm talking two or three things
every paycheck. Like what do you mean?
Like, how do you go weeks without buying something, but
you make it work? I mean, that's how I grew up.
We didn't get to go shopping, like, all the time.
So, like, it is what it is. But it does suck when you're a
teenager and you're like, particularly seeing friends,
doing things, getting things, participating in things, and you
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don't get to that does suck. And it's easy to.
Well, for me, I know it was easyto, like, point it out.
Like, I don't get this, I don't get that, blah, blah, blah.
I guess it's because I'm a spoiled brat.
But also teenagers. Yeah, it's a whole thing.
Yeah, they said Maddie would do that.
And then Christine chimed in that Aspen would kind of be the
same way. And then I think that led to
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Kody saying, well, that must be that.
When you guys tell them no, theycome to me, yes.
And I'm just going, oh, my God, like, you better not be
sabotaging your whole family financially, just giving these
kids everything they want. You know, I think he's also
trying to make himself look goodright now.
I don't think he's actually justgoing out and buying the kids
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everything they want, but it is again, kind of that normal
family nest, right? Like they are playing one parent
against each another. Ask your mother.
Ask your father. Yeah, ask other mom, and other
mom will maybe try to help, you know, work that out for you in
some fashion. So cute in that sense, I guess.
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But I'm just like, Oh my goodness, Kody, shut up.
Janelle reiterates that she is stressed, ensuring that all of
the bills are paid. There's a vibe that comes up,
well that happens out of this episode of like Janelle being
the financially responsible one,the one that is the bookkeeper
of the family, the accountant ofthe family, etcetera.
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It's funny because this does come up in the future, many
years in the future, where there's kind of a like, no one
wants to own having that role atall.
But here we are at Season 2, andsomeone's plenty fine with
owning that role. I think that the the
differentiation though, is that what Janelle didn't want
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currently current day, present day ish was to be made to make
it seem like she was in control of all of the financial
decisions, right? Like she did pay the bills and
manage the accounts, but she didn't single handedly decide
where every dollar was spent, right?
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And so I think that's the way that she tries to clarify it.
Like, look, I wasn't just like, here's your allowance and here's
your allowance. Like, you know, it seemed like
she was reacting to maybe some of the other sister wives,
implying that Janelle wouldn't let or stopped something being
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spent in some fashion maybe. When also thinking about the
through the journey of the show,the other wives and Janelle do
have ways of earning income and do branch out into other things.
Oh. Boy, do they.
They do, right. So we're not.
That was one thing that I shouldhave just kept in mind when I
was saying, well, Janelle wants to read the bookkeeper, but she
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doesn't want the bookkeeper. Well, OK, A lot happens in the
future. So there's a lot of changes.
It was just interesting how thisepisode, given that it's the
price of polygamy and budget is the theme.
Oh. I see what they did there.
It's expensive to be a polygamist.
The emphasis is a lot about budget, and because that's
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Janelle's wheelhouse, we get a lot of Janelle in this episode.
This episode is basically Janelle and Kody, and everyone
else just kind of shows up randomly.
I should say randomly. They're supporting characters.
Agreed, and it's one of those episodes that actually I like in
the sense that we've had some ofseeing Christine like this too.
I like that they find a time to highlight one of the wives when
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they're looking, I'm not saying like made-up and fancy their
best, but looking their best, brightest natural faces, like
when they were camping. Janelle looks so cute and she's
just camping, right? But she looks happy and a little
sun kissed and smiling naturallyand just like, you know, good
stuff. And I'm like, yes, yes, Janelle.
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So yeah, I liked some of that. And she's comfortable speaking
about these things. And that was something, I think
the last episode or the episode before, I can't remember where
it was one of the first times itwas like we're actually getting
to know these people as people now.
We're not just getting to know them as the characters of Sister
Wives, which was so much the first season.
It was so much high level shit and now we're getting into it.
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So they get through that interview portion with kind of
everybody else and the money andthe bill flashback and all of
that. We're now back to Janelle and
Kody packing the car to go. Kody's bitching the whole time
about putting the quilt in the car because dear God, we don't
need to bring a quilt camping. And this is terrible.
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So I'm watching him shove this quilt into the convertible
because that's the car that we take camping and then I see that
he has laid 2 button up shirts on hangers to take with them
camping and those are on top of the trunk.
So I am just curious why a quiltwhile you're sleeping outdoors
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in a tent seems unreasonable. But we're not talking about the
fucking button UPS on hangers. You never know when Kody's going
to have to do a business casual meeting.
Oh, what about that? He wears it hiking in the
desert. You know, like, shut up.
Yeah, he brought starched button.
Up to. Fucking camping.
Now I am a gay fucking man and Ihave never brought anything on a
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hanger camping because that is crazy.
Like they're in a tent. You're not in a yacht.
They're not in a camper. They're not.
They don't have a closet. They're in a fucking tent.
In a convertible. Yeah, taking.
The I'm like did they even bringa cooler?
I don't like where did you wheredo you put the cooler?
Now cut to their campsite. Actually worked out fine it
seemed. But like, yes, what the fuck was
that? Cooler was probably in
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productions car or some bullshit.
Yeah, they threw shit in the van.
Yeah, and it's like, don't help them out.
Don't help Kody. Don't.
Help them out. Oh, don't let him take the
convertible so. Stupid.
Yeah. Kody's like I got to use this
convertible whenever it's only me and one of my wives.
Show him I'm a real man. I'm a sex machine.
Fuck that. But then Janelle is standing
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outside of the packed car and they're interviewing her and
it's funny, 'cause the first shot, it's like an overhead shot
and I'm sorry, leaning back. But she's like her heads up
towards the sun and she's leaning against the car and
there's a voice over her and she's just like saying something
about how Kody takes so long to say goodbye to everybody.
And then they cut to her like actually looking.
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And she acknowledges him. And it's briefly funny because
she's saying he takes so long toleave.
He has to say goodbye to everybody and everything.
And then all of a sudden she looks to to the side and there's
Kody coming around the corner out of the house.
And it looks like, well, she's going to bite her tongue.
She just spoke too quickly. And here's Kody.
And he stops and just turns around and goes back inside.
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Like, yes, you dumbass, like youwere totally not dumb.
Done. And so then he goes back inside
and says like goodbye to people and does whatever.
And it's just so great to see her having that moment of like,
well, I was going to eat crow, but turns out, Nope, I'm not I'm
right. I'm always right.
It's. So good, it turns out.
I love that. I did think it was cute.
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He stopped to give Meri a kiss and 1st gave her a kiss like on
the top of the head and then like hugged one of the kids kids
and he looked at her and he goes, Oh, do you want a real
kiss? And he leaned in and he kissed
her on the lips. And then as he was walking out,
she goes always a real kiss likealways, always.
And it was just like genuine couple stuff, you know, and I'm
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like, you did have a fucking relationship back then, you
know, again, some of the things that come out in the future in
the blame games and all of this.And it's like, no, that was,
that was real stuff, you know, so.
Definitely a real couple moment.Yep, I love when they're
leaving. It's funny that you brought up
the packing of the Lexus becauseI was like, I have to make a
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scene. I have to make it known that it
is so great to watch them speed off in the Lexus because it's
just so weird. Like, what is this car choice
and why is it like, it's like it's one of the members of the
Brown family? Like he just has to have this
convertible be a part of things.I just wish that because you
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know, these moments had to have happened, You know what fucking
happened that like maybe Janellewanted to bring the fold up
chairs or another little table to bring with or something.
There had to have been an argument about there's not
enough room in the car. Like that had to have fucking
happened. You cannot tell me that they got
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everything in that car that theywanted to.
They've been married for long enough, or she knows already.
And so she's like, I'm not even going to go there.
I have to only bring enough stuff that will fit in the trunk
of this Lexus. Maybe she likes the convertible.
Maybe she feels sexy riding in the convertible.
Maybe it's a cup. It's.
I'm thinking it's just his fucking ego, but maybe it's
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enjoyable for her too. I don't know.
I don't like my hair blown in the wind.
OK, that is not for me so. But now, so if my man had a
convertible, see The thing is I wouldn't want him to come with
the convertible. So this is, we're giving it a
whole bunch of make believe here.
But honestly, if I had a man whowas like, what about in the
summer we had a convertible and we drove around in it, I'd be
like, I'd be down with that. Like I'd be down with that.
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So I just feel like if he made it part of his personality, I'd
be like, we got to talk about this.
So I don't really know. Maybe I'd be down with the Jeep
that you could remove the top from.
Oh my God, yes, that's that would be my vibe.
My Vibe is not a convertible right?
Yeah, no, a doorless Jeep or just topless.
Well, you know, that would be that would OK, you wouldn't have
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I could doorless Jeep. I'd be shaken.
I'd have to have a harness. Like what am I even talking
about? You'd have to be drugged.
They'd be like she needs to be sedated.
Put in the car, she'll be. Fine.
Your body's like going back and forth, yes.
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So they do make it to Moab, right?
Beautiful campsite look just. And Moab comes up in the future
for other reasons, which I'm. Saying Moab very loudly, thank
you because Moab is a very popular place current day.
Yeah. So they get there, they are
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working through their tent setupand everything.
They, you know, it's going fine.But there did happen to be,
again, the landscape is beautiful, right?
So there are these kind of like dilapidated trees, you know,
kind of hanging around and the camera, like you can tell they
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were, they're probably standing back and they're like, Oh my
God, this is going to look so cool.
And they went on the other side of the trees and we're like
shooting through the trees at Kody and Janelle.
And it, you know, I get it. I probably would have thought,
like, they should have just posed for a picture between the
two. It did not look good.
It looked weird, and it was wobbly and uncomfortable.
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And it's like, OK, well, you really tried hard there.
So that was great. But yeah, it did not.
Did not to help at all Yeah, thetrees look terrible money shot.
Well, no, and the trees are probably really cool in person,
but on the screen it was just like I no, please don't.
Put that there. It looks like they gave a camera
to like a 13 year old who was like, I'm going to do this and
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it's like, OK, well we're actually watching ATV show, but
OK. That's exactly what it was.
They cut back to some interview moments at the house where
they're talking to the people that, well, to people that are
not camping in Moab. And Christine talks about how
she uses coupons. They kind of show, they show her
shopping. And I'm not sure if this is the
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moment where she's shopping, butthey show her shopping and she
uses coupons. She buys in bulk and she cans
things to save money. Oh, she is shopping at the store
because they show the example ofher at the checkout where she's
like, my goal was $300.00 and itwas $300 on the dot, which was
pretty great timing, very comedic, very funny.
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I'm not surprised to hear about this, but it is interesting
because then they transition into a shot with the storage
room for the bulk food, which was a visual moment because it
is a, you know, 6 by 12/6 by 10 room in the basement with
shelves that have canned goods, bulk products, all this stuff,
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which, you know, makes sense. I'm not surprised that they have
this. It was just kind of a like, do
you have a bulk room at home? I I do not now I, I joke about
making my bunker, you know, at least once a month, but I do not
have it in process yet. Yeah.
It was a little alarming to see because it kind of looks like
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they're preparing for the end ofthe world, but really they're
just having food to feed their family.
That's the odd part about it. So it was.
Yeah, definitely didn't. I mean, it makes logical sense
150%, but the visual of it was jarring.
It was. It was like, OK, but she did.
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She said that she saves the family money, right?
Like, that's it. Yeah, She makes money by saving
money. That was it, Yes.
And that was pretty good. And clearly she does, like you
can tell that she plots it out really well and she had a shit
ton of food for $300.00. So like Oh my God, it was crazy
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town today. She'd have half a cart.
But back then I worked out good.And then Robyn was trying to
justify her drain on the family and she said she's the go to
girl for anybody. She'll take care of kids.
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She'll just help you out. I'm just the go to girl.
Yeah, because if there's somebody you want is the go to
girl in your life, it's definitely Robyn Brown.
Right. When they're sitting on the
couch, there's a point where Meri cracks a joke about the
babysitting. I love this.
Oh my gosh. And it's, I know that Kody says.
Like, she's not a babysitter, she's a mother about Robyn.
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But did that strike your strike you in any way?
I thought it was hysterical because she's like, we have
built in babysitters. And he, you know, the had the
tone in his voice been any different, I think it would have
been very interesting because hewas still kind of joking,
laughing when he said she's not a babysitter.
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But like 5 years down the road, if somebody had said that, you
know, as they kind of have settled into more of the
animosity, I think he would havesaid that and been a real Dick
about it. And maybe not five years down
the road, but whatever, you know?
Like this was laughy and jokey, but he meant what he meant like.
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It had a yes, there was a a vibeto it of like, watch what you're
saying, even though that wasn't what he said, right?
Right. He but he needed to stick up for
Robyn. So that leads me to wonder, you
know, right? Is this just his obsession and
infatuation with Robyn or is this something that he already
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knows that had he not said something like that once they
got home, Robyn would have been like, and they called me a
babysitter and you know, whatever.
And then he now feels like he has to stick up for those
things. It was just interesting.
He doesn't. I don't want to say that.
I was going to say that I feel like he doesn't stick up for
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many of the wives in the in certain ways, but I guess there
are times he does actually kind of stick up for all of them in a
sense. But this one rubbed me
differently for sure. Because we're really just
starting to get into the nitty gritty of who these people are.
We haven't really seen anyone defending anyone specifically.
For the most part. It's been more broad.
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You know, we as a family, we as a culture, we as a cult
defending those things. Not so much individuals for
things, but Robyn's definitely where it's going to start and
Robyn's where it's going to be for a long, long time.
So after, you know, Meri gets scolded, they, they're talking
more about the, the, the processof shopping, grocery shopping,
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how they go about these things with the family.
And Janelle kind of explains that her and Christine work
through their grocery list together.
You know, Meri kind of does her own thing.
And obviously, Robyn, being in adifferent house, does her own
thing. They reference the pantry and
say, you know, but of course that stuff is always there for
everybody if they want it. But truthfully, everybody kind
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of just does their own thing in that sense.
But Meri did say that she does help herself to things in the
pantry. Yeah, quite often.
Right. Which, as she should find
they're in the same structure. Like, I think that's fair to
say, right, Christine? I said I ran out of sugar.
I couldn't believe it. I'd buy sugar by the hundreds of
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pounds at a time. Basically the flour.
Like 550 LB bags of flour. I was like 50 lbs of a.
Oh God, that was insane. So yeah, Meri says.
She admits that she was the one that took all the sugar.
Yes, playfully. Playfully.
And Kody said well you're supposed to tell someone if you
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do that. Like it.
Like scolded her again. It was the second scold in like
3 minutes so I was like Oh my God.
And the way that she said it wasclearly in jest.
She wasn't like, oh, I used all of your sugar and didn't tell
you. So him doing that little bit of
finger wave was another moment of like, really?
We just can't let Meri have her joke and move on.
(34:36):
Very interesting. And also, I would love to see
Kody Brown well, enter the pantry properly, but like
actually communicate something properly about anything they
need to. Do I'm sure he leaves plenty of
updates about what he's taken that needs to be refilled and
etcetera. No, he just puts his demands.
Yeah, yes, yes. He doesn't go into the fucking
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pantry. There's another moment where
Robyn references again about howshe worked and supported her
kids until joining the family. And I will not let it go.
I will not let it go. What did Robyn do?
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Like, it's just like, what did she do?
She worked so hard. She did all these things.
It's like we hear about your financial problems.
We hear about how you didn't have money and you were in a lot
of debt. What was this job?
What was this thing you were doing?
And when you were living in Saint George, how far away from
your parents did you live? Did she live with her parents?
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Did she live with a family member?
I'm struggling to think that shehad some sort of put together
life with her kids in Saint George where she was just
carrying around debt and really kind of broke, but then somehow
would go four to five hours awayfor Sunday services to meet
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these. Like, the math is not mathing.
And I don't understand how it isthat she can so blatantly say
repeatedly that she worked as a single mother and supported her
kids and we're just supposed to like, take it hook, line and
sinker. It makes no sense to me.
And she does blanket statement it like I did this, I paid the
bills, I took care of the kids, I fed them, I worked.
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I did this, I did that. And yeah, but with 0
explanation. And you know what though?
They, none of them really talk much about what they actually
do. I I feel like now hers is in the
past so you she should be able to talk about what she did.
And, and you are right, to be fair, we really only glean
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little bits more about what theydo professionally, unless it's
on the show down the road. We only learn bits and pieces.
And oftentimes it's from the past, like, oh, this is what I
did or this is what was going on.
So that but it. Would've been in the past.
She would've already left those jobs and she could very much
give brief I was in real estate,I was this.
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Now she's not. We know she doesn't have
business sense, no. So I think she probably was a
babysitter. Oh God that sounds terrible but.
I I'm having like a moment of shock because I'm like, well
that tracks. Does she run a daycare?
I'm thinking maybe she watched like friends kids or family
members kids I. And made just enough to like
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pay. I honestly don't know.
And it's funny because I've readthe book Becoming Sister Wives,
where I'm supposed to have learned all these things.
Maybe she did say, but I don't remember.
And I'm like hooked on it. Like I'm driven crazy by it.
So it makes no sense. You guys, if you know?
Yes. Please.
Yes. Tell us, because clearly Chris
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is about to have a breakdown. He does actually need the
knowledge. If you know what Robyn did for a
living while she was supporting her children as a single mother,
or if you worked with her, or ifshe sold you a bag of goods, or
if you bought something from my sister Wise Closet and never
received it, please leave us a comment on Spotify or on
(38:11):
YouTube, wherever you're listening, let us know about it.
Maybe we'll reach out. Or if you purchase something
from my sister wife's closet andyou did receive it, I would like
to know specifically what it wasand how the quality held up.
Yes. So that'd be great.
Did it look like something out of 1/4 machine?
Because that's what I'm suspecting and.
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Why did you buy it? What?
What made you decide how they get you?
How they get you so good. Because you know what?
For every valid dollar that Robyn's earned in her life, I
want to give her one valid ounceof credit.
And that credit is worth nothing.
So I want to give it to her. Imaginary credits.
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Imaginary credit for Robyn. And as part of this segment,
Janelle says that she's hopeful Robyn will get a job and that
it's not that she hasn't been looking.
So that's an interesting narrative too, that there's like
a looking for a job, wondering what that means for Robyn.
What? Jobs are we considering?
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Well, what resume are you bringing to your job interviews?
Like what jobs are you even applying for?
Can you imagine interviewing herfor a job?
Well, yeah, like, I can't imagine she can do much more
than just maybe like, standing in a place and doing repetitive
things. I don't know.
Janelle is still like does give Robyn props though for helping
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Christine out still, right? Like she's like, you know what?
It actually is super helpful forChristine to have Robyn around.
It just is nice that Janelle's giving her credit for the other
efforts that she's putting in, you know, I mean, yes, she would
prefer it turn into dollars, butother than that, like, you know.
She's. Participating.
And they show footage of, you know, some of the kids being
(40:02):
over at Robyn's place. And I mean, this is production,
so it is what it is. But I don't think we have any
reason to believe that Robyn wasn't trying to be helpful
based on the things that Robyn says in this episode and the
footage that they show and the comments from the other wives.
I don't think I have any reason to not suspect that her she
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really does want to be helpful to the family, not really
through contributing money because that's not what they're
talking about right now, but I bet she does try to help so.
I think where some of the dynamics change a little bit is
when I'm going to probably screwup the explanation of this.
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But like there are points where,yes, the other wives most
certainly trust Robyn with theirchildren, right?
And you can go to Robyn's, that's fine.
Robyn does not send her childrenever to other wives homes,
right? Like we're not there yet.
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We're not there yet with what's happening, but Robyn will not
allow the same kind of submission.
I like, I don't think Robyn really wants her kids to have
like she did marry and the kids had a pretty decent relationship
at one point, but like I don't think she wants like when
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they're at this younger age to have other people mothering
them. I said that'll be coming and
we'll show it. And I think that that's part of
why it doesn't all. And again, if they had ended up
in the same fucking house where they were all running around
together, Totally different vibes.
Totally different. Because at this point, the other
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wives are probably bringing their children to her house or
she's picking them up, whatever.They're spending time at her
place. If they're not at the compound,
there was probably. Was there ever a time?
Who knows, probably less than the fingers on my hand, where
Robyn needed to bring her kids to another mother's home, to the
compound and have them left there and cared for.
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I doubt that happened because Mckelty would come watch them
like the older kids would come over.
But right now, currently in the moment, yes, I think Robyn's
contributing. I think she's trying.
She had a really fun spotlight moment before they go back to
the camping. Where did you catch this?
Well, the one that I have is about how she says she wants to
(42:31):
be missed if she wasn't there. Yeah, she wants to be mourned.
Oh mourned. Mourned, you know, the other
wives, you know, if they're gone, they're they're mourned.
And I want to be missed. I want to be more like, it's
like we're we just gave you a whole bunch of props for all the
stuff you're doing right, and yet here you are like it's just
(42:54):
still not enough for. Her a bit understandable that,
you know, joining a family and seeing the concreted members and
wanting to fit in to feel the same.
It's funny because it's I feel like she's pulling on the
heartstrings or she's saying thewords of things that a normal
person would actually feel like.Yeah, I mean, I'm joining a
(43:14):
family. I want to feel as valuable as
them. I want to feel that I am valued.
And so I think it's fair to say it's just weird because when
she's saying it and we're watching this show, I'm like,
like rolling my eyes. I.
Wrote down Gross. It's another.
Gross 'cause it's gross and she is gross, but it's like if you
(43:35):
were dumb and, or, or maybe the first time you've ever seen
this, you might be like, Oh well, Robyn, just blah, blah,
blah. But you have to be pretty
fucking stupid to not put the pieces together eventually.
So I don't know. Well, but I, I guess I think how
I look at it is you want the connection today, six months in
(43:57):
the respect the connection, the equalness immediately.
And these are women that have put in 1617 and 20 years to this
marriage. You're not there yet, right?
(44:19):
And so don't whine and cry aboutit.
Earn that validation exactly. But I think that that is another
thing that starts to happen withher is that she's still, even
though he fawns over her like now, at the beginning it wasn't
quite that, right? So this is where I think some of
these pieces start to drop is that she needs that equal of a
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thing. She's not there yet.
He's trying to give it to her and she still is like, but I'm
not as good as. And then he starts fucking up
all the rest of his relationships, you know?
Right. Yeah, well, we just love Robyn.
No. I'm starting the Robyn fan club.
(45:05):
Oh, you and so many members. Will be there me and the three
weirdos on Facebook that are like Robyn's great and it's
like, what the fuck are you eating and drinking and sleeping
and like everything sleeping, sleeping around, you know, like,
oh, Robyn's great. Why is everyone so mean to her?
(45:27):
The same reason everyone's mean to you, you moron.
Oh. What now?
You should not insult the members of your fan club in such
a way. Oh yeah.
These are people you want to join.
You could I get to come up with some name, you know, like how
people have like their fan namesso there can be the Robyn fans.
Oh, this is going to be good. I can't say the words that are
(45:49):
immediately coming to mind because they're very much
inappropriate, but. When's that ever stopped you?
Oh, there's gonna. Oh God.
Oh yeah. Like the mouth breathers.
There's gonna be something good there's.
Coming soon Coming soon Chris's Robbins Fan club.
Name Chris's Robbins fan club member nicknames.
(46:13):
Also suggestions? Oh yes.
Welcome, if you know, yes, if you have any good suggestions,
you know, we already have like sob brows, you know, we've got a
lot of things for Robyn. So there's, there's, there's
where there's room to work here.Yes, yes, I can't wait.
Janelle talks about all the kidsand thinking that their mom is
the favorite. I thought there was.
(46:35):
Which was cute and references how all the kids see them alone
together as far as the mothers with Kody and must come to that
conclusion. And she said that she feels like
the center of Kody's universe when they're together.
And she's not the only one to say that.
I think all of the wives say that.
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So he's got a way of turning something into something and
making them go, I'm the center of the universe.
Oh, the body language that was happening there was really
special. Thank God we're on audio only.
Yeah, thank you for that. They do all seem to have that
fairly genuine thing and and also be fairly comfortable
(47:22):
talking about it. If there's a prop, even in
season 1, they had some conversations about stuff like
that, right? So like at least at this point,
if they're having problems aboutthings, they're at least trying
to kind of handle them and balance them, right?
But they do all seem to get thattime and dedication in different
(47:42):
ways. And he says something along the
lines of their his marriages areeach their own independent power
and bond. Yeah, right.
Yeah. And at least right now, that's
true. It does appear that way.
And at least right now, I, I just, it's killing me to see him
all in the same home. Like it's just killing me to see
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that because it's the, he comes up and the kids are all hi dad
and they're all right there. And I'm like, God damn it, you
guys, you should have, should have kept that up.
Janelle does reference that she is considering a trailer
sometime in the future though, as they're camping because she
doesn't want to lay on the ground on her back.
And she says, I've been thinkingabout a trailer.
(48:26):
Oh, I miss that. Yeah, Yep.
So in the future, Janelle gets her trailer.
Dreams can come true. It can happen to you.
She doesn't last longer than theteepee.
Yes, yes, even with all the talkof the camping this episode, I
was like, you're not even going to talk about your extended stay
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in the teepee? Well, that was it.
She was like, I love camping. And it almost looked like she
might just like, it really did. It almost looked like she was
going to say something about it because she had this funny look
on her face. She had this funny and she's
like, I wish I did it more often.
And then that's when she said she wanted a trailer.
And I was like, Oh well, didn't think you'd be living in one in
(49:09):
10 years, but hey, girl. She definitely, when talking
about her love of camping, looked like there were at least
three things she could share. It was.
There was more. And maybe she did and they
didn't. You know what?
Yeah. They probably robbed us of this
moment. She.
Probably, yeah. She gave us a price.
(49:30):
Pearl Because they were probablylike, we're not listening to you
talk about living in a teepee for an hour.
People are going to think you'reinsane, right?
But in all reality, it's like, Iwant to hear the like, give us a
whole episode about the teepee. That would have been better.
So that was, I mean, it's cute. I do love that about Janelle.
She has this, well, I think later she refers to it as Earth.
She's a earthy person, an Earth woman, an Earth mother,
(49:53):
something she's had a thing about the outdoors and camping
and whatever. So it's great to see her get
enthusiastic about it. It's definitely in her element.
And I like it too, because even though I might be the gayest man
on this podcast, I do enjoy hopeso.
I do enjoy camping. I mean, we've been out at at
(50:14):
state parks and county parks andall of that.
Like I do like pitching a tent and sleeping under the stars
myself. So I appreciate that.
Like to now I don't do it as often as I would like, but it is
a good time. I think what you're referencing
when you talk about her talking about how she's an earthy
person, that is coming from in one of the last episodes of this
(50:37):
current season, yes. And it is also when she is very
sure to tell us that she is an extremely sexual being.
Now she's. Not asexual.
No, and she wants that to be very clear.
She enjoys food, she enjoys wine, she enjoys sex.
Yes, she's Mother Earth. She is Mother Earth and she
(51:00):
wanted everyone to know that. So I, I feel like we've always
known Janelle was a sexual person.
So I would like to know who the people on the Internet are that
are telling her that she's not, you know?
How random? I well, what?
Because she was justifying it like she was like, oh, no, no,
no, no, no, no, that's not me. So Kody.
References it throughout the show.
(51:21):
Then he's like, you know, the her.
Toy Yeah. So I don't know.
But that was, yes, that was her Mother Earth moment.
And I'm just so glad she told us, because never would have
known. And I well, and yes, we
appreciate this about you. Now as a group, they talk about
how that there is a good balanceof like income, income producers
and their family versus caretakers.
(51:43):
So while we've already talked about this multiple times and it
it's just a reoccurring theme ofthe episode is that they are
pointing out the challenges and difficulties and they're, you
know, maybe frustrations are thethings they have to do with the
kids, but ultimately they're like, we're fairly balanced.
It's not out of balance. And so I like that they kind of
(52:03):
reiterate that so that at least we're not just focused on the
financial issues. They're like we're actually
doing OK. What's always a struggle.
We have a hard time making ends meet sometimes, but we make it
work. Right.
They just wish they had more money.
It's not that like anybody's, you know, fucking everything up.
They're the only ones. We just need some more money,
that's all. Like, that'd be great.
(52:24):
Yeah. Which we totally understand.
At one point, they are filming in Meri's home.
OK, OK. And she's sewing or something I.
Wasn't really painting with the Kitty.
Yep, and I Oh yes, the cat was there.
I don't even know what she was talking about.
I was so distracted by all of the America and red white and
(52:48):
blue decor behind her. The country, God Bless America,
yadda yadda on this one wall, ifI could have counted the
matching pieces of decor, Dozens, maybe.
I don't know. It was a lot.
(53:08):
Now, Meri does love some patriotic accoutrement.
Interestingly enough, she just did something online Hawking
some products that were red, white and blue, patriotic, all
the whatever. In this time of filming, we are
coming up on the 4th of July. So I think that's why she was
doing it. And people were commenting
(53:28):
online about her obsession with like USA and red, white and blue
and American flags. And I thought I was so clever
because I was, but I'm not. I was inspired by someone else's
comment because Meri's name is spelt MERI and they were talking
about her Americana. Oh.
My God. Spell capitalizing MERI and I
(53:50):
was like oh I can do better. So then I replied to it in a
loving way, saying I'm proud to be an American and it's like
American. But anyway, a Meri a Meri is
very proud to be an American. An.
American a Meri A Meri. Quite contrary, OK.
(54:11):
How does her patriotism grow? Well, it grows on a sewing
machine and from discount mid level marketing scams.
Yes, it was special. Super special.
Do you remember Sir Robyn's going and picking up some kids
from some houses, Right, Becauseshe's doing her contributing.
(54:32):
I think she's at Christine's. Yes, Gwendolyn.
Gwendolyn and. Yeah.
Whoever did you see the entrywayof the home?
I did. And you know, what I thought was
funny was that I was choosing tonot bring it up.
Oh, hysterical. Yes, because I was like, this
can't be one of the several other moments where I'd notice
(54:52):
the background and I go like short circuit and kind of can
like feel my body getting dirty.That wasn't happening for me
even though it was the environment to happen.
I thought, Chris, this surely can't be one of those moments
for you. There has to be worse and I
think there is worse, so. I guess I am proud of your
(55:13):
restraint. I think that speaks volumes, but
it was really fucking dirty. It did look like no one knew
that anyone was showing up to film.
Once again, you're filming ATV show and your house looks like
this. Like a three by 5 entryway.
Yeah, entry hall for her basement.
Unit take maybe 2 1/2 minutes todo a quick little.
(55:38):
Like a sweep. It really just needed a sweep.
There was just shit on the floorstuff.
It it was crazy, so good job notmentioning it.
I apparently had to this time, so we'll just do that.
You don't have to be the bad guyevery time about Christine's
home. It's funny that Robyn is leaning
in and trying to be so helpful. Maybe she could pick up a broom.
(55:58):
Maybe she could pick up a Windexbottle Now.
Also, women get territorial, andI'm not going to say that she
should be cleaning anybody else's home.
Suddenly I'm crossing the line. But it's funny how if she wants
to lean in and be helpful, it's like there's an entire compound,
you know, Janelle would be like,go ahead.
Janelle. Would be like, go ahead, you're
(56:20):
right. But Christine might be a little
offended. I don't know.
It's hard to say. I don't know if anyone would be
offended. I think it can go both ways
though, so completely agree. But there is just something
really nice when somebody like has the time and they just are
like sitting there like, well, Icould do nothing or I could
(56:40):
clean your house and they just do it.
I used to do that when I babysat.
All the time. The time surface clean.
We're not talking about going crazy.
I just, sometimes I did go crazy.
Like I, you know, I'd be vacuuming and shit.
I'm like, I'm not just gonna sithere.
I can't fall asleep like whatever.
And I would clean the fuck out of those people's houses.
That's a good babysitter. Yes, I was.
I was sought after, you know, I'm not saying that's Robyn's
(57:04):
duty. She is not a babysitter, as Kody
has pointed out. Right, she is not a babysitter.
Anyway, it was dirty. So then we're cutting back to
Moab the next morning. Moab, the sun is rising amongst
those bright orange and Reds, those burnt colors.
I can't get over how much I lovethat part of the country.
(57:26):
Like if it was more friendly fora homosexual to live there and
have a life that was interestingoutside of the natural
surroundings, I'd be all about it.
Sedona. And there's even something about
some Santa Fe Ness. But that corner specifically,
like southern Utah. St.
George just South of there is sogorgeous, but I so I would love
(57:49):
to go there on vacation. This is I don't have to live
there. I should just go back on
vacation. Even just out of Flagstaff they
have like the Painted Desert andstuff.
Like, I mean, it is just, you know, it's what they saw in the
mountains. So I mean the.
Angels singing or something, I think.
And there's parts of the high desert that are like basically
(58:09):
like Prairie land. Like here it's just a different
kind of grass. I don't find that interesting.
But these rock formations are just gorgeous.
Janelle's putting things together from their campsite and
Kody comes up behind her and gives her a little smooch.
And the first thing I thought ofwas post coital smooch now did
it? Definitely had morning sex.
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I was since they did it cross. OK, it crossed my mind that they
had a little whoopee. I feel like they probably had
sex a couple times, don't you? OK.
Evening and morning, probably. Hopefully, I hope.
I hope Janelle was like, make ithappen multiple times.
Well, yeah. And he definitely looks like
he's giving a lover a kiss aftera romantic evening and morning.
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I was thinking he looked good. The bloat mattress.
I'm like. Who would not noise?
Would that make? Just rubbing on rubber.
I don't know. Yeah, whatever noises bloat
mattresses make. I haven't had sex on a bloat
mattress in like 3 days so I don't know.
Now I thought he was looking good that morning.
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Well, this is it. And I'm saying like, and he was
in a hoodie and jeans and. He looked like a normal man.
He did a little relaxed, a little chill.
It was pretty great, yeah. Which leads to a discussion
about affection. Yes, and I thought this was
interesting too. Janelle, you know, the At first,
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they start by talking about their differences and how Kody
said that as he's aged and grown, he realized that showing
affection was important to him, that he didn't know that it was.
And to be fair, we don't know what's important to us all the
time. Like sometimes we go in to who
we're going to be and what's important to us.
So as he's going through his journey of discovering that, oh,
I actually do like to show affection, he realized, well, I
(59:57):
have to actually vocalize this and share this with someone like
Janelle who? Janelle does seem to be a little
bit more like not into PDA, not into the thing, not showing
affection in those kind of ways.I think she it might be a little
bit misrepresented that she's not interested in it at all.
Like, I don't know. I don't think that that's
probably true. I think her situation makes her
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be a little bit more standoffishbecause of joining the family as
the second wife. See, I actually took it as she
did not like PDA. Like she yes and she said I
didn't like PDA. OK.
Yeah. Fair enough.
And I think there's differences,right?
Like, I'm not a super PDA person.
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I don't like to be like all affectionate and lovey dovey in
front of other people, but like in my own home or, you know,
whatever, Like that's a different story.
I think that's just kind of how she was more behind the scenes,
right? And he said that, no, this is
important to me and I need this.And she actually started working
on it, right? So that was pretty good.
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But then she made some referenceto how Meri has always kind of
been all over Kody. And so when Janelle was trying
to figure out how to be more affectionate kind of PDA wise in
that sense, they almost had to come to a balance because Meri
was always on or something like in the younger years maybe,
(01:01:24):
like, I don't know. So lots to kind of break down
there I guess like I don't know.What made me think of some
details from their book BecomingSister Wives, where Janelle
talks about from her perspective, moving in after
they get married, even before she got married, but
particularly after she gets married and she moves into this
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trailer with Meri and Kody. If it's not an actual trailer,
it's like they I think it's the time when they were in a
trailer. They call it the trailer, but
single wide, whatever it is, I'mtrying to it's hard to remember
where they are at certain times when they this book like it's
not exactly well written and it's from the perspective of
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four different people. So it's a little all over the
place, but Janelle talks about being now in this home, moving
in with her husband and his already existing wife and how
they were very open about their PDA stuff.
Like they were a married couple,newly ish married.
I mean, I think they had been married for two years plus
(01:02:29):
whatever. When all this kind of went down
and they hadn't had a child yet.I think they were still in a
somewhat of an extended honeymoon period.
And then Janelle's around and Janelle felt, I think she says
in the book now don't quote me, but something along the lines of
how you feel like when you're a friend with a couple. 3rd wheel,
the third. Wheel and they're doing their
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thing and you're just there. But she's his wife, right?
So like that would be so uncomfortable.
I cannot imagine. Unbelievably uncomfortable.
And I think Kody does reference this later on at some point
about how Janelle's mom said to him, like you kind of need to
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knock off the PDA stuff with Meri because it's making Janelle
uncomfortable. But I it's hard to visualize now
because Meri and Kody are not all that PDA even at this point
in the show. But they were younger and they
were. And I just don't know what it
means to try to be with someone when they're all over someone
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else and you're not a part of it.
Like I don't really know what. That means it didn't register to
me initially when that comment was brought up about Janelle's
mom saying that to Kody. Yeah.
And then realizing that that's like Kody's stepmom.
Kind of Yeah. Sister, wife, Mom.
(01:03:52):
Yeah. Other mom.
Mom, Not really, but because he was kind of an adult when they
got together. Yeah, I don't know other mom.
But weird. Yeah, I hadn't put that piece in
place yet. Yeah.
This is. So fucking weird.
Like it's just so fucking. It's like, OK, you can downplay
it. I mean, I'm not saying
incestuous, but I'm saying like it's fucking weird.
(01:04:15):
Your mother-in-law slash your other mom is.
Slash your dad's wife. Is coming to you to tell you,
hey, it's probably best if you drop off the PDA with Meri
because it's really making Janelle uncomfortable.
And you're like, OK, but I'm married to both these women and
like, I don't even know what that means.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. As they are getting things
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packed up in the morning at the campsite, Kody did mention that
they were very happy they had the quilt.
Right, right. He's so so he acknowledged that
at the campsite and then in their their couch interview
later in front of everyone said,well, Janelle was right.
(01:05:05):
Yes, she was. And and Janelle like look of
shock and surprise on her face what I was but Meri and and and
Kody and and I was wrong. And they all get a good laugh
(01:05:25):
out of that, and it's amazing and it's funny for all the
reasons that it's funny. Absolutely.
Any time a man admits to being wrong, it's some sort of like
ego bruised dramatic moment. And so there has to be a way to
disarm people in the situation is to make it comical.
Also, I mean, it was a bit, I mean, it certainly wasn't like
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he invested their life savings in a Ponzi scheme.
Like he was just admitting that she was right about bringing the
the thing. So it was easy for him to
probably say that so. It was, yeah, but sometimes men
like him will do anything possible to avoid saying that
someone else is right and I was wrong about any little fucking
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detail. And so they are like I will take
this one as the when it is. And it is different.
It's one thing to say you were right and then to say I was
wrong. There is a difference in that.
So it was a cute moment and it was funny.
I was so glad Meri got that. I think it's funny.
I don't ever tend to force the and I was wrong point.
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If I'm told that I was right, I'll take that.
Yeah. That's all I need.
Yeah. That's all I need.
Yeah. And I may ask you to stop for a
second so I can record you saying it.
Right. Especially to a teenager.
Yeah. But like, yeah, that's all.
I just need to hear that. Yes, I was in fact correct.
Did you get a successful recording of your teenager
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saying that you were right? I feel like I did.
I know you either did or you tried and didn't quite get it.
I can't remember if I heard. Both has happened to be honest
with you because I really am trying to document it to the
best of my. Ability. 100 on this day in
2025, you told. Me, I was right once.
(01:07:12):
So good. There's some talking points or
talking head moments, some spotlight moments to wrap up the
episode, and one of the lines that Kody said is that there
will always be a team. And like some other things along
those lines, I thought that was interesting.
(01:07:33):
Families like to think they'll always be a team.
I think spouses like to think they'll always be a team.
This team in particular will notalways be playing the same game
or on the same side of the fieldor anything like that.
Well, I almost laughed out loud,but then I thought that was
mean. I still might have done it.
I can't remember, but it's ironic, right?
(01:07:56):
Like, it's, it's weird looking back at these moments and these
beliefs that they had and what they were doing and how it was
truly going to go and then knowing that in a few short
years it's all going to fall apart.
And like, I just, I don't know, I feel really cynical about some
(01:08:17):
of the stuff we watch now because I'm like, you know what?
Yeah. At that time, they really did
think that they were all going to be together.
And like, of course they had to think that because how would you
go through your life in that manner if you didn't really
think that this is my family andthis is how we're supposed to
live? You know, like they wouldn't
just choose to do it for funsies, so.
(01:08:40):
We talked about that in season 1, you referenced something
about how couples when you're not in a good place, you're
still putting on a show for yourother family members and friends
and whatever. And this didn't feel like that,
but it's along the in that same realm of like we got to go for
like you. It's like a belief, like it's
like we're going for it. We're.
I really think they thought theywould, though.
(01:09:02):
Yeah. Like at these points in time,
even with the transition of Robyn coming in and things like
that, I think the only person that has made any sort of like,
not even really true statements about not living this life for
the rest of their lives. But Christine made some like
(01:09:22):
comments when she was jealous orsomething in the first season,
right? Like I don't know if I can do
this or something, but it was kind of big contexty picture.
It wasn't just that right now they're in it and they're doing
it and they believe that they will always be a team, sadly, as
we know. That's not the case.
No, I think if Robyn some time and you know.
(01:09:45):
I stopped listening. It gets a little.
I didn't listen. I know, I know it gets.
I have the same thing with. Kind of.
I have in parentheses Robyn saidstuff.
Right, Robyn said. I didn't listen.
Robyn said. Some shit.
She talks about how people in the family, people in this
polygamous family in the lifestyle, etcetera, become
better people by being less selfish and by being a part of
(01:10:08):
this thing where you have to step back and some more word
salad from her. It's very her and Kody are
really great at this word salad stuff where like they say a lot
and then you're like, I don't even know if I took away what I
was supposed to, but it made me think of like her with this like
sacrifice bit and the sacrificesthat they make for this family
and the sacrifices. And I'm like, what exactly are
(01:10:30):
you sacrificing? What exactly is it that Robyn
ever sacrificed? I don't really know that she's
doing. I mean, OK, so currently she has
a roof over her head, her kids are fed and she's doing some
childcare after marrying a man and becoming getting on ATV
show. And like, it just seems like
she's making it seem like they're all becoming better
(01:10:51):
people because of this polygamous lifestyle.
She talks about this lifestyle and polygamy like she's she's
the expert, she's the Oracle. She can tell you all about what
it does for people. What?
OK, so maybe her mom married someone who was already married
to somebody else. I don't know exactly when.
That was with her childhood. So it's not that she's never
(01:11:13):
been in polygamy, but as an adult, she's never been in
polygamy. And I think it's interesting
that she was married to a man for so many years and they never
found another person to join their family.
She was a single mother who for many years, never had anybody
else come in. Although Kody will say men are
just fawning over her. Yeah, I was just so worried
about how all these men are all over Robyn.
(01:11:34):
Well, she was single. She had to drive four or five
hours to meet someone. And then she just talks about
this lifestyle as if she knows that when as an adult with kids,
she's never lived it. And so I kind of get annoyed
that they give her the talking head moments of this, like what
we're supposed to get from polygamy and what it really does
for people when there are women that have lived it, are in it,
(01:11:56):
have been married in it 16/17/20years.
And she's giving us what this isgoing to do for the family.
Like, bitch, you just showed up.Sorry that was long.
I know I'm, I'm, I'm letting allthat sink in for a second
because again, I didn't listen to her say it because I
couldn't. I was just like, shut the fuck
up, like and. What she said was nondescript.
You know, it was literally like,we get better because we're here
(01:12:18):
and we're sacrificing for the family.
And that's what polygamy is all about, OK?
I'd love to know what a really truly what the goal.
Polygamy isn't about sacrificing, it's about men
being, what's the the word lifted, lifted up like
(01:12:39):
proselytized or something, right?
Like like these men. Creating those communities
around them to worship them is what this is about.
But that's not what the women think, no, but what they're,
they're brainwashed into. The women do infer that there
are the struggles to go through and things like that, but even
to this day I feel like most of the ones we've talked about that
(01:13:00):
we've heard are from Robyn. The way the other wives describe
why they wanted to get into polygamy and why this was how
their religion is or what it it does seem like the way Robyn
explains those things and and the other wives explain those
things are not a lot. They're definitely different.
And so that. The other wives often times talk
(01:13:23):
about like a calling and that this was always the path that
they knew God told them. And Robyn's talking about how
you will be benefited by being in this lifestyle, whatever,
through sacrifices. And she hasn't even been part of
a plural family as an adult, so whatever.
Well, she makes about as much sense as usual, so that was
(01:13:44):
great. Got to love her.
Did you catch the Mr. Mom joke at the end?
Well, I know Kody cracked some joke about something with the
wives and home and whatever, butI'd missed the detail.
He volunteered that all of the wives could go to work, yes.
And he would stay home and be Mr. Mom, right?
(01:14:07):
And I think all of them were like, yeah, cool, you bet,
sounds good. And then said you would never
survive. He would never be able to do.
It Oh my God. No, he wouldn't.
Absolutely not. He.
Definitely would not. It would be fun to watch for a
few days, but the women would all come home.
The house would be a disaster. Food wouldn't be cooked.
(01:14:29):
He'd be hiding in a closet, rocking back and forth, sucking
his thumb. You know.
Yeah, they would have had to go to the chiropractor three times
that day. Oops.
Never practer in quotes. Yep, Yep, Yep.
Oh God, she's just out of alignment.
Oh, that's so terrible. I know.
I'm like, I'm like, I don't evendo me to make that.
(01:14:51):
Don't. Mean that.
Don't mean to. Make allegedly, not even
allegedly. We're not alleging that.
Not not alleging anyone's out ofalignment even though whatever
mustard seed and shit stain for season 2 episode 3, The Price of
(01:15:11):
polygamy. Oh, that was beautiful, Chris.
I hope everyone has their at home auto tune machine cranked
up so that that made any sense. When you edit this and put it
together, I want you to do that in like a balloon voice.
Like, like you just sucked in helium and.
(01:15:33):
I like your suggestion. Let me play around with it.
Maybe I'll have to repeat it a few times.
Here we go with some different vocal effects.
OK, we'll see what really bringsout my timber.
Can't wait and really lets me shine.
Can't wait. Yeah, real excited.
Mustard seed and shit stain. Do you have one that you're
ready to go with right off the bat?
I do for the mustard seed. Mustard seed.
(01:15:54):
Let's hear. It Janelle.
Yes. Oh yeah.
Like just easy, be easy. Like just everything.
Janelle, the camping, the bills,the honesty, the everything.
I don't think there was anythingdislikable about Janelle in this
episode. Agreed.
Agreed. I think my mustard seed, it's
(01:16:15):
funny because yeah, I would liketo give it to Janelle, but I
think I will go with Christine because of the budget shopping
and her, her when she says I make this family money by saving
this family money, I believe her.
I believe that that is true. I think that the reason that she
(01:16:38):
buys 50 LB bags of flour is because she's baking those buns,
she's baking that bread, things that are literally saving the
family money through her efforts.
And even though her cleanliness is something I will never be OK
with, I will never ever, ever, ever be OK with.
(01:16:59):
I do have to give her mustard seed because I think that's
great. And I love that shit.
I love being thrift. You know, I can make a dollar
stretch. So I'm very, very pro Christine
in this episode. I also would like to add that
not only is she saving by or making money by saving money, I
think she also probably works really hard to not have.
(01:17:23):
I think they all do, but but specifically her and how she's,
you know, home more often to nothave any like waste of food,
right? Like they probably first in,
first out, they rotate that food, they make sure they're
using it. They don't buy stuff on bad like
they really plan those meals out.
So they're using what they have like they have to.
(01:17:46):
And you just know that the dollars that they spend on stuff
like groceries last them a long time, considering the amount of
people that they have in that family.
When Christine and Janelle reference their partnership and
kind of their budget attacks andtheir whatever, my suspicion is
that it's mostly implemented andplanned by Christine with
approval from Janelle and funding.
(01:18:08):
Let's go with funding. Also help with the math.
Right. Like, yeah, totally.
Like, does this make sense? Like, I feel like this is what I
want to do. Like, I'm going to go to the
grocery store and I'm going to spend $300 on bringing home,
like a whole car full of food. And Janelle's, like, do it.
And that that's them working together because both of their
kids get fed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now it's good teamwork. Teamwork makes the dream work.
(01:18:29):
Dreamwork. Now it's time for shit stains.
Do you have one ready? Well, I could say how about you
do yours and I'll do the other one like, I don't know, it's
worth thinking that. This I know.
Well you did the first mustard seed, so you get the first shit
stain. OK, Well then I'm going to say
(01:18:50):
Robyn. OK, and I'm going to say Robyn,
because I'm going to need you tostop whining and crying that you
haven't gotten to the same levelas all the other wives that have
been there 15 plus years. Duh.
And shut up and deal with it andtry to do your best to get into
(01:19:15):
that family, right? And maybe hot take, don't do
things that are going to make itharder for them to welcome you
into that family. And so just Robyn.
And my shit stain has to go to Kody Brown.
Has to. He didn't even annoy me that
(01:19:36):
much this episode. I know I was going to say he
didn't actually do anything thatbad.
He. Really didn't.
But I think the like whole, I don't know, it's like he wants
to be a leader, but he's not good at leading anything.
And that's, and even if it's just one-on-one or if it's an
entire family, he is all about having this role, but he's
(01:19:58):
ultimately not that good at it. And he could just actually take
another role and let his ego go or let whatever he's got going
on go a little bit and roll withthe punches or lean into what
other people have. But he just can't.
So I have to give the shit stainto Kody, even though this
episode there's not really anything I can say.
Like he was terrible. Well well well.
(01:20:19):
Though the reason I was going togive if I had chosen him as the
shit stain because it was a tossup, was he didn't actually do
anything that terrible. But there were those couple
scolds on the couch to marry that were in a super jokey
manner. But that I truly believe are
(01:20:40):
things that he continues to say in the future, just not with the
joking tone. Yeah.
And so I think, you know, kind of writing on the wall some of
the stuff that starts to come out so.
Yeah. It's like we're looking at the
foundation of a house and there's like, is that a tiny
little crack? I can't even tell.
And it's just him saying these things to Meri.
Yep. But it will get bigger.
(01:21:01):
Yep. Oddly enough, she tossed it out.
The longest compare, you know, second to Robyn.
So insane. Our keep sweet moment this week
comes to us from a Apple podcastreview, which love seeing these
come through. It's funny because we don't get
notified of them, so it's only periodically that we actually
see them. This one comes to us from
(01:21:22):
Felicity and it's titled my new favorite Sister Wives podcast.
Thank you, thank you. She says it's wonderful to have
another snarky Sister Wives podcast to binge.
Truly a mustard seed. Thank you.
That's amazing. Yes.
Narky. Well, no.
(01:21:42):
Us also, by the way, Felicity loved the TV show.
Loved it. Thank you very much.
That's amazing. And Felicity says she follows up
with Ironic that the subject matter can be so boring but the
podcasts about it can be so funny.
She's starting from the beginning and she loves the
banter between us, which is so great.
(01:22:03):
And I love not OK, So what I love is getting compliments.
Well. First and foremost.
What I love is praise. What I love is five out of five
stars. Chris's love language is
anything that tells him how muchyou love.
His words of affirmation, words of affirmation mixed with gifts
(01:22:25):
and praise, Yes. So only one love language, but
it's really great to hear not only the praise and whatever,
but also it just absolutely, absolutely.
This show is so boring and yet we still watch it every week and
report to you our observations. I, I don't think we can
(01:22:49):
emphasize this enough. I think we've been pretty clear
about it though, like we do not know what we're doing right.
And So what, we just watch ATV show and talk smart for a little
while and somehow and in some universe you guys are listening
(01:23:09):
to it. And for that, we are a little
bit baffled, you know. Baffled.
Well, I can see why people wouldlisten to us, but yeah, it's
almost like, what are you getting out of this?
Yeah. Thank you though, we truly truly
(01:23:33):
are confused but appreciate it very much.
Yeah, and totally hear you aboutstarting from the beginning,
Felicity. Like we are no strangers to a
binge. Neither one of us are strangers
to a binge. There's a reason that we're
wrong. There's a reason we're re
watching this show where nothinghappens and then talking about
it to you on the Internet. We are fans of a binge and if
(01:23:56):
you're binging with us, that's amazing.
If you know someone who's starting the show and binging,
let them know that they got someone they can follow along
with. But appreciate it, Felicity.
That's so amazing. Not only are we fans of a binge,
we are fucking talented. We are very talented bingers.
Yes. All right, Ali, do you have any
advice for, let's say someone who's listening and they are 18
(01:24:20):
going to college because they'renot 17?
Because we get explicit marked on our podcast.
So no children are listening, only legal adults and they're
going off to college and they'renot starting school yet.
Maybe they're getting ready for school and they're going.
What should I do with my life? What advice would you give them?
Why would you ask me that question?
(01:24:40):
I should not be giving the youthof America advice.
Don't give a shit what other people think about you.
Do not. They're not worth it.
It doesn't matter if someone's tearing you down, there's always
going to be someone to tear you down.
And in real life, you're going to work with people that are
going to tear you down. You're going to have family
members tear you down. You're going to have a bunch of
shit do your thing. Do self help podcast coming soon
(01:25:02):
from us 2 deadbeat losers. I'll have to update our
classifications. Not licensed.
Worthy up OK, we are worthying up here all.
Right. Oh God.
Meri, if you want to join us andgive someone some high spirits,
we're here to help. Bye.
(01:25:23):
We've really got to figure out how to wrap this show up.
And we hope you come back. Amen.
Take care of yourselves. Bye.