July 22, 2025 • 58 mins
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Original show episode description: To celebrate Christmas, the Browns head to a snow-bound cabin in the mountains to get away from the pressure of their ongoing police investigation. Then, a decision is revealed that will affect the families lives once again.
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Sister Wives is a TLC docuseries starring Kody Brown, Meri Brown, Christine Brown, Janelle Brown, Robyn Brown, and their family.
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(00:00):
Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Allie, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.
(00:22):
That's us all right. See you on the.
Flip side, let me call you sweetheart.
I'm in love with you. What does the nanny do?
OK, so we're done. Goodbye.
You shut it off. Do not twist my words.
(00:45):
Do not. Make me a victim, sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw.
That day, just a knife in the kidneys over all these years and
the sacrifices that I made to love you.
(01:13):
Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun.
Holy crap, here comes Jesus and he doesn't look too happy.
What an. Intro Well, I know that was
that's I think Family Guy, but Christmas is the holidays are
here. How about you give us an opening
of a of a little Christmas Jingle, like I just did, but
(01:35):
better? OK, well, one that becomes hold
on, hold on the first Christmas song I noted.
I will. Oh, Oh yes.
Moment, moment. Oh, come All Ye Faithful.
Joyful and triumph. OK, wow, that was playing in the
(01:59):
background of a super chaotic moment towards the end of the
episode where it was like instrumental oh, come all you
faithful. And yeah, like, what is this
trickery that they're doing right now?
Trickery. Yes, it is the holidays.
It is Christmas. It's not the holidays, it is
(02:21):
Christmas. The Christmas season.
That is what is referred to overand over again during this
Christmas season. Yes, Christmas season, it's very
exciting stuff. Season 2 episode 7, the Brown
family decision. Now that title sucks and we will
talk about that because we do learn that there is a decision
(02:44):
about something that we will learn more about later.
So fuck that title. It's terrible.
They open up the show. It's kind of fun because the
first few seconds they show the kids playing in the snow for a
little bit. And I was like, oh, and just
like we always experience with the show, it moves on too
quickly. So it's like all of a sudden
we're not with the kids in the snow.
I thought we were going to have the kids in the snow moment.
(03:05):
Yes, Gwendolyn doing snow angelsor something super cute.
Maybe Savannah like throwing some shit in the air, yes.
And it's like, oh, the kids are going to play.
And then all of a sudden it's like we're going to a remote
cabin in the forest. It's like, OK, like the adult,
the adults are just talking now out of nowhere.
I, I don't remember if there's anything that anybody says at
(03:25):
the beginning before they start talking about the investigation
other than we're going to a remote cabin in the forest for,
for Christmas. Was there any details about
their trip that they gave right up front that I missed?
Not really, other than like the statement from.
Yeah, well, this is it. They're going to this remote
cabin for Christmas in the forest as a way to escape their
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current situation with the investigation.
And they also talk about trying to have the kids, you know,
escape as well. It's like an escape for
everybody. But we do get our first
statement piece, or I don't knowwhat you would call it, text on
the screen from a Sister Wives episode.
And I'm going to read it becausewe definitely made sure to
document a statement from the from Donna Kelly, the deputy
(04:12):
County Attorney for Utah County.The quote is the Browns have
definitely made it easier for usby admitting to felonies on
national TV. So it's the first quote they
give us. And then they go back to
Janelle. She says something, I don't
know, Janelle's kind of leading us through this like quote bit
where she's like, we got it. There's in a statement from the
(04:32):
County Attorney. And then the statement comes
across the screen. She says something else, and
then they go back to a second part of the statement, which is
you can expect a decision in thenext 60 to 90 days.
So then they're like, well, whatdoes 6090 days mean?
What does this mean? Kind of, OK, these are official
statements. We later find out in the episode
(04:53):
it's because the police have handed over their investigation
to the county attorney's office.They didn't tell us that at the
beginning, but that's what we find out later on the couch.
I mean, Kody's talking about thethere's stress levels and how he
feels like the little guy versusGoliath.
A small little peon. A small little peon he.
Feels like a small little peon against Goliath.
(05:16):
Well, Kody's such a small littlepeon, I guess.
But yeah, I mean, there's been the vibe.
I mean, they've been talking about this for a hot minute, but
now we're starting to get some actual details and things.
So, you know, that makes sense. Yeah, Yeah.
But this Christmas is with extrastress, right?
They keep reiterating all of this, the extra stress.
(05:36):
And I think that this is at the point that you put together
maybe that they're packing all of Christmas and bringing it
with them to this cabin like this is like a big endeavor that
is happening. Yeah.
And then they again allude to like a big decision next week.
So we're just, we're just weaving that decision through
(05:56):
here occasionally, right. And so we actually don't hear
anything about it, but it's still, we're going to talk about
it. Meri does say that they have big
decisions to make as a family inthe next few weeks.
So that's like cliffhanger. Oh, La La.
Yep. But then they cut to Meri
immediately putting lights on the House.
Christmas lights. Light extraordinaire added to
(06:17):
her titles. OK.
Very light extraordinaire. OK, OK.
Tooth puller. Tooth puller.
Packing Nazi. Packing Nazi photography
goddess. Central packing.
Central packing. We added another one to the list
last within the last couple weeks.
(06:38):
What was it? I've already forgotten that one.
Bowler. Yes, Bowler.
Bowler, striker, strike. We got a yeah, she got a strike
in bowling, so. And now and now she
extraordinary. Christmas lights.
So now we're at six. We're never going to remember
these. I don't You know what they
(07:01):
didn't ever cut to? Anybody giving Meri props for
putting up the lights as if thisis the amazing thing she does?
So we're thinking that yeah, we're giving her too much
credit. Because I did, I started it.
I started it. But I think what did they say?
They they said it was Christine or Janelle.
(07:22):
I think it was Christine while they were on the couch.
So she puts up these lights and every year there's a gap every
year, and then she has to go. Because they're white icicle
lights. And so then they cut to an
outside shot when the sun's downand there are blank spots where
the lights are not working, so she has to go back up and do
that. Oh my gosh.
(07:44):
I love when they show Meri up onthe roof at the beginning and
Leons behind I I didn't really pay attention to Leon at first,
but Meri's, you know, talking about having to put the lights
up and how now the boys should probably put the lights up
because but because they don't, she's going to And Leon says
that is so sexist. Girls can do anything boys can
(08:04):
do. In a response to Meri saying
that, which I thought was prettyfunny.
It was actually kind of funny because they were standing on
the edge of the roof when they said it and it was intentional.
Like I am saying this to a camera because that is bullshit.
You know, like not holding back at all.
It was a young woke person. Oh my goodness.
(08:24):
Oh gosh, and then they cut to the family inside and everyone's
drawing for their holiday gifts,their Christmas gifts.
I need to stop saying holiday because it is Christmas.
We aren't that woke around here.It is Christmas goddamnit.
So they are drawing for their gifts.
And that totally makes sense. I mean, that many kids like, Oh
my. Like, of course you're going to
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draw for like 1 gift exchange with the children specifically.
And then Garrison is so funny. I loved it.
You know, having four moms meansthat I get more gifts.
Yeah. And who says is it Christine?
I think is. Meri is Meri.
Yeah. She was like very smart, very
smart. Garrison.
Yes. So cute.
That was very cute. I love his little moments in
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this second season with his Mohawk and he's it is he has
that like sarcastic take. It's fun.
Yes, absolutely. They then kind of maybe we're
back to a couch moment. Yeah.
And talking about how their Christmases, like the opening of
presents, can go on and on and on.
(09:29):
And how they've had to stop for lunch before.
Yeah, in the middle did. Janelle got such a crack out of
that. She was like, oh, we had to stop
for lunch. She really was proud of herself
for that one. It was fun.
It was really great. Yeah, it was pretty cute.
All that Christmas stuff I thinkwas, you know, fun.
Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it was to be expected, I
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guess. Now we're going to make a cut to
one of my favorite scenes thus far.
And and you know, we haven't covered a lot, but we've covered
some things is the tree market. Now, did you catch the name of
this tree market? I believe the name of it.
Well, OK. It was like being funny though.
(10:11):
No, because I can't. No, I can't remember the name.
It was something like OK, buyingtrees here.
No, no, no, no. No.
OK, what is it called? So Meri goes, we are going to go
to a Christmas tree farm to pickout our Christmas tree today and
it's actually called the Christmas Tree Farm.
Yes, that's why I thought you were being funny.
(10:33):
No, she didn't say that. I remembered, but I didn't write
it down. Christmas tree farm.
Yes, the Christmas tree farm. Yes, which is great because it
was literally, yes, describing what it is, yes, like kind of
like my Sister Wives podcast. Yes, that's what it is.
It's like if you confuse this, you got a problem and we get
introduced to Matt. Hello, Matt.
(10:55):
OK, wow. Matt is the hot guy who runs the
Christmas tree farm, or at leasthe's the face of it.
He's definitely the face of it. When Christine say at one point
she goes, I tell you any woman that goes to that farm is
leaving with a tree, yes. Like he's got this unlock.
(11:18):
Like he knows what the fuck he'sdoing.
Right. Absolutely.
Oh, Matt is a hottie. He is.
The vibe for me when Matt was talking was like when a woman is
meeting the man in a Hallmark Christmas special.
Yes. And it's like all of a sudden
everything in my life can come into place because this like
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scruffy guy who works with trees.
But it's super genuine and nice and funny and like.
Only slightly sexually. Suggestive Sweet.
How often do you think Matt getslaid for his gig at the
Christmas tree farm for women trying to create that Hallmark
(11:59):
fairy tale? He has to get a lot of tail.
If he wants it, he can probably get.
It. Yeah, Matt, if you're out there,
first of all, call me. Yeah.
Second of all, we would like youto fill in some blanks for us.
Yeah, Yeah. That would be really.
Nice. We'd love to hear your story.
We'd love to see an updated photo.
You can wear clothes or not. Totally cool.
(12:20):
So I'm questioning the marketingof the kissing balls.
I think we could have used a different term for them, but I
understand your goal maybe. So Matt, we just, we need to
talk a little bit. Meri asking Matt about
mistletoe. Oh and the mistletoe.
(12:40):
And he's like, we will clear everything.
We will find you. Even the smallest bit of
mistletoe. We will do whatever like like we
will get it done. Like how Janelle gets it done.
That's what he was saying he would do for Meri but with
mistletoe and then kissing balls.
Leon mom. Leon literally was like mom
because Meri was straight up like flirting and being upset.
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Well, they were like hugging as they left.
It's like, yeah, you picked out a fucking tree.
But Matt Bun bun that Christmas tree like a God damn pro that he
is. They wanted to see the tree from
all sides. You know, the only thing that
Matt could have really had goingfor him, he missed opportunity.
(13:27):
It shouldn't have been the blackhoodie.
It should have been a Carhartt, right?
He probably should have had on some, I think it different jeans
and maybe just some better boots.
I think he could have really done a little bit more of the
who's the actor I'm going for right now?
(13:49):
Oh, it's not going to come to me, but he could have stepped up
the game a little bit for what he was signing on for to really
up the ante. Well, this is after seeing this,
a good evaluation would be I would say go with a good Plaid,
but a Carhartt. Amen.
Some tighter jeans and he had one of those great fur hats.
It could have just been a littlesmaller.
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It was a bit big. Everything was a little like oh
oh oh, but with some tiny tweaks.
Oh man, Matthew, the face and that voice, the voice.
It was an attractive voice because it wasn't like a deep
Husky, but it was not Sissy either, you know what I mean?
(14:30):
Like what are you? Trying to what are you trying
to? Say no offense to anyone, I have
a face that offensively, I don'tknow.
He had a good voice. He had a good tone.
It was. For me it was about his.
Cadence, it was like. The way that he was talking, he
had a great. Back and forth.
And you could tell he was probably a generous lover or is
a generous lover. We could find out.
(14:50):
Again, Matt. Matt, call me.
If you're willing to discuss your love making skills with us,
let us know. We'd love to and we'd love to
talk about your outfits and how things are going at the
Christmas Tree Farm. Right, right.
So. We might need to come see a tree
being spun. These women were falling all
over this man like they were ridiculous.
(15:13):
It was They were openly admitting the flirting and how
fun it was. Had Kody Brown been there, I
think this would have been a very different experience for
these women. I do not think that, and in fact
I bet he was a little irritated when he saw it after the fact.
(15:36):
Interesting. Yeah, I could see it.
I could see it getting under a skin event.
Also, I bet he was a little jealous that he didn't get to
flirt with Matt. Do you know what I'm saying?
He flirts with some men sometimes.
I know. No, I think if he wasn't going
to try to show, if he couldn't over showboat him, then he'd
have to play along in some way. Well, he.
Just like he like we're different with the surfer dude.
(15:58):
Like he was flirting with the surfer dude on he and Robyn's
honeymoon. He was flirting.
I'm saying he probably would have turned this into a Kody and
Matt love fest for a minute at. Least you show me your pine cone
and I'll show you mine. That one, that was it.
And pine cone. Yeah, you know, well, Christmas,
you know, Yeah, mistletoe, Chris.
(16:19):
But kissing balls, Whatever. All right.
So Matt, if you're out there again, just super clear.
OK. Yeah, moving on.
Yeah, now that we've spent 1/2 hour talking about the guy at
the tree market, the Christmas tree farm, the.
Christmas Tree Farm That's namedthe Christmas Tree Farm.
Yes, Yes, it is a Hallmark moviein the making.
(16:41):
It absolutely is. Then they're stressed, right?
We're back to stress. Cut immediately to We are
melding traditions for four families.
We're doing the holidays. The families are coming
together. There's investigations, stresses
Kody's all over the place, Yeah.Yeah, he's really, really
worried about it. But don't you worry.
Robyn just wants to be sure she can create her own tradition.
(17:05):
Yeah. Yeah, she just.
That's top of her list. You can't lose your traditions
just because you're joining another family.
You have to make sure that yoursget squeezed in there just like
on the couch and squeeze in there.
She was really trying to think about what she could do to
contribute in a way of a tradition for the family.
And so she came up with this super unique idea.
(17:28):
Idea of making Christmas ornaments for each child.
Yeah, yeah. Ground breaking never would have
come up with it. Now, I'm not mad at it.
I think it's OK. I mean, it's not but the most
original but. No, she makes it seem like,
well, I thought and I thought and I just, Oh yeah.
And this is what I land, I think.
(17:49):
Of course, the most like what's the most obvious Christmas gift?
The most consistent gift is probably Christmas ornament.
For sure. Yeah, it was fine.
Did did you notice the sharpie on the ribbon?
I no, I noticed a couple things where I thought it looked
hideous but I didn't really knowif I was being too judgmental or
(18:09):
not. Like I was like, is she trying
to build a ship in a bottle? It's like, no, it's just some
shit in a fucking. Theory.
There was a message in there. OK, something about a candy cane
in Jesus. But the ribbon, what's funny is
that it was a cute enough littleplastic ornament with some snow
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and some shit inside it, whatever.
And then she tied this like satin red ribbon on it.
And it could have been like, OK,that would have been like cute.
And instead on the black ribbon,or sorry, the red ribbon, she
took a black sharpie and wrote the real reason for Christmas or
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something, right? Like it's like a sentence
covering the ribbon. Oh God.
It looks ridiculous and it's like the ribbon itself was
lovely. What are you doing?
Like no honey. That sounds on brand.
Well, it is so she made some ornaments and Robyn.
Robyn took she took all of the brain powers she could muster
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for for the the fourth quarter of that year and put it into
making some fucking throwaway ornaments with handwriting on
the fucking ribbon. That's lovely.
Now what I will give her props for is making ornaments for the
kids every year. Does seem like a reasonable and
nice tradition. Yeah, I think it's super cute.
So that's great. Totally agree.
(19:37):
Of course she executed it poorlybecause it's Robyn, Yes.
And makes it such a big thing because it's.
Right. Like, oh God, you'll never
believe what I did, Yes. No, like, OK.
We probably will find it hard tobelieve that you completed
something, but yes, OK. Janelle does a traditional
Christmas breakfast which I thought was great.
Absolutely. Christine likes she has
(19:57):
implemented St. Lucia which St.
Lucia day excuse me for the oldest girls in the family to
make I I can't remember what meal specifically.
Is it just a meal? I think it's breakfast again.
So I think they talked about a couple of different breakfasts.
Yeah. So maybe we're talking like
Christmas Eve breakfast, Christmas Day breakfast or
something. Like that Christine's is
definitely before Christmas because I remember that from a
(20:19):
further season. Fair enough.
She does this before Christmas stuff.
And the girls it is because I think they make crepes one year.
So it's a breakfast. Gotcha.
Yeah. And I, I remember correctly,
they talk about how Aurora is going to join the girls in this
year's Saint Lucia Day. Perhaps, maybe that's not true.
Did they say that? I don't remember OK I.
(20:41):
Don't remember. There was some excitement.
I there was something I think Robyn said about how she was
glad her daughters would be ableto participate in Christine's
blah blah blah, or at least her oldest daughter at some point.
Fair enough. And Meri makes everyone pajamas.
Yes, she does. She does.
You put a connection when we watched her sewing the pajamas.
(21:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's the same footage, yes, from a couple
episodes ago, a few episodes agowhen we were making.
That week. You were making fun of you were
making fun of Meri for being a patriot, for being a God fearing
American. For being a patriot.
You were making fun of. Herself.
I don't think those were the words I used.
(21:25):
I do believe I said it was a lotof techie red, white and blue
decor, Yes, that threw up all over her whole house.
Basically, the reason that I'm taking us on this detour is
'cause I posted a clip of us, doyou know, on the social media
and some of the people's responses literally like, what
is it a problem that she's proudof her country?
Like, Oh my God, did you even listen?
(21:46):
And like, get a grip. Like we are not saying there's a
problem with supporting your country.
This is, it's a joke. This is all a joke.
It is not a Dick. Don't take it so hard seriously.
And also we can judge the decor regardless of what the decor is.
And we're not I'm not now. We are also still judging them
as people, but that wasn't what I was judging.
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You know, like I'm not any who. There's a lot of judgements and
it is what it is. But this footage that they're
playing now where Meri's sewing the pyjamas for the kids is the
same footage from when she was in her potential likely guest
room where she changes it up forthe seasons, which doesn't even
make sense. What is it, the 4th of July?
They're using footage from that for Christmas, Like whatever,
(22:29):
who knows, blah, blah, blah. But she's sewing in a room and
the cat's there, the Kitty cats walking across her sewing table.
But her voice over is talking about a police officer pulling
into the driveway and turning around and how she and of
course, they had to bring it up before the commercial break.
And then after the. So it's like, it's like the
third time we've heard this sound bite from her about like,
(22:51):
I was just like shaking because of the police.
OK. A cop pulled in the driveway and
turned around and then left him was getting someone out of the
ditch. I'm leaning here right now just
like headed my hands because this is so silly and This is why
what had happened in the last episode and they were like,
we're being persecuted and the police are after us.
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That cop went past someone in the ditch and chose to turn
around in their driveway, just like any one of us have been
driving on a street, made a wrong turn, pulled into
someone's driveway, back to round, went back, and she's
making it sound like she's terrified for their lives.
(23:32):
If the police were going to comeand arrest him today, they're
going to like, I guess maybe it's plausible that something
like that's going to happen, butI don't.
It just seems like too much to me.
It's like you are escalating this again.
I don't know what I would feel like if it was in their shoes,
so maybe it would. Well, listen, we hear sirens in
the backyard and they're like, my God, what's happening?
(23:54):
So I can't judge. I am still judging though.
Yeah, to me, I think it's the reason it kind of annoys me or
maybe makes my eyes roll a bit is because it's post this and
it's still sensationalized. It's like you lived through it,
you went through it. You realize it.
You don't need to make it sound like it was the end of the
world. Like if anything, I would be
like, I can't believe I'm such afool.
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It's like this cop came and like, I was like freaking out
and it was like totally unnecessary.
That would be a more reasonable way to tell that story.
That would be a more reasonable,like, look at the irrational
stuff this investigation is making us do.
A car drove in the driveway and I freaked.
Yeah, it was just going. And maybe she did, kind of.
I know that was not the overall vibe though.
(24:36):
It was not though like she couldhave.
Anyway, that was a lot that. Sensationalized everything
having to do with the police. And you know, maybe we have been
a little flippant about their level of concern at the time.
And let's like we said, if Meredith was on TV being like
we're under investigation, we feel a little different, but
they're they, it's so sensationalized every and we're
(25:00):
just, we have any, we don't haveany information.
The only information we have arethe two sentences they gave us
at the beginning of the show. That apparently they think
you're idiots because you're doing this on television and in
60 to 90 days something is goingto happen.
Yeah, that's all we know. That's all we know, yeah.
And then I guess they do tell usa little bit more as we get
through this episode about how historically we could only come
(25:23):
to 1 conclusion. It's like Jesus Christ.
I mean, yeah, which even that direct connect isn't a direct
connect. We'll get there.
Right. Kody talks a lot about how do I
protect my family from this? And I'm just, you know, oh God,
he's the leader of his family. I don't.
Once again, I blocked out most of what he said.
It was a huge burden. This is a huge burden on the
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family and on him, you know, Andit's like, yeah, sure.
Yeah, of course. Oh, this is actually when
Christine brings up her family again, though.
So she had last episode and thenthis episode she gave maybe more
details or maybe it was a more full clip of what we saw.
How her dad's family when he wasa child, his dad, and all the
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wives and mothers in the family were all arrested in the middle
of the night maybe. Maybe.
And taken from their homes and the family was like separated
permanently forever. Like they didn't know where the
other wives had gone and lived or any of this stuff.
And it was just crazy, I guess, with that having been an
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experience that somebody in yourfamily actually has lived.
OK, that's, you know, concerningbut.
We're a separation that I see inthe direct connect between them
and this story from Christine's past or her family, her lineage?
Is that her father's dad and I? I don't know this.
Someone will have to let us knowif that is the same person who
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was the prophet of the AUB because Christine's grandfather
was the head of the AUB. So I'm assuming this is the same
person because, I don't know, maybe she has two grandfathers.
And if I was a gambling man, I'dguess the one that was arrested
was the prophet of the AUB. So like, OK, your grandfather,
who was heading up an entire religious sect that was breaking
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laws according to the state of Utah, was arrested.
Yeah. Amen.
This. It does sound like they
experienced some family trauma from the family broken up, you
know, whatever and he was arrested.
They were arrested. Assume you were how how is it
that the wives were not able to touch base?
Like what are the there's a government forced no
(27:41):
communication mandates like. As usual, there are a lot of
missing pieces to this puddle, puddle, puddle.
Puddle monkeys puzzle Puddle monkeys puzzle Yes, it's.
Yes, of missing pieces. So I do believe we may begin to
learn more about it as time goeson, but.
And if Christine has two grandfathers that were both
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polygamists and one of them was the head of the AUB and the
other was not, then I apologize.My assumption was wrong.
But I'm guessing it was her grandfather who was the prophet
of the AUB and was arrested. And that was probably used as a
way to make an example. And there was probably some more
dramatics and theatrics. Now that's me jumping to
conclusions. I feel like that makes a lot of
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sense. Also on TV, so he might be a
good person to make an example out of.
There's that angle. But you know, Christine, this is
what's funny about. I don't know if funny is the
right word. This is what's interesting.
I don't know if. Interesting is the right word.
This is why it's something that these people are liars.
Yes. Christine is not saying my
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grandfather who was arrested, who was the prophet of the
culture, the religion, that we're a part of the cult.
She doesn't say that there's no mention of it at all.
It's a rather important detail. I Yes, yes.
Yes, Amen. OK, so we moved from couch to
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travel day. Yes, we are packing up.
We are leaving the home to this cabin in the mountains to
reconnect as a family unit again.
We're we're reconnecting. This has kicked off with
Christine. She has a great line amazing and
says basically like as it turns out, we have to pack the entire
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planet. We both laughed out loud.
She's. Very funny.
Because it seems accurate and asyou watch this shit show unfold
as usual. Oh my God, yes they did pack the
entire planet and also, as it turns out, brought it to a place
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that's not large enough for their planet to be.
Right. Doesn't fit.
Their planet doesn't fit. But yes.
And it is funny because when Christine says that, it was a
very funny line. It was great.
And then there's like this montage bit of like clips of the
stuff everywhere and it's so much stuff.
And then like moving things, kids, moving things, people
moving things, all these things.I was like, all the kids, all
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the stuff, all the kids, all thestuff.
There's some reference to like, oh, everyone's really excited.
Even the kids are excited. And then they show these
spotlight moments with the teenagers.
Oh my God. And they are not very like.
I don't even want to go. I don't want to do this.
Why are we doing this like a true teenager?
Is it Aspen that's like, I'd rather just stay home.
Or maybe he's Mckelty. I don't know.
Yes. And then Maddie's like, yeah,
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like 4 days of my family is like, no.
Yeah, like. No, like they're not
enthusiastic at all, even thoughwhatever adult was like the kids
are all excited. It's like, OK, yes, some of them
probably are, but not the older ones.
They're just telling themselves that so that they actually get
the fuck out of that, yes, and complete the trip, you know what
I mean? 100.
Oh my goodness. But like there's like packing a
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lot of talk of like stress, a lot of talk of the stress of the
investigation, but then like also their self-imposed stresses
of like merging the family and like now we're getting everyone
together. We're packing our entire world
into some vehicles to drive to aremote cabin.
Like we bought a tree, a fresh tree to bring with.
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Like it's just like, I feel likeI would be saying no to like all
of these things. Like I would be like, we don't
pack up our lives. We don't bring a fresh tree we
don't like. I don't know.
I'm actually just impressed thatthey were able to do it in a
sense. Like I'll be curious to see how
the rest of it goes. I don't think we've finished
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that trip yet. No.
I think next episode will be more of it.
But yeah, a whole ass fucking tree.
Meri brought totes of decorations like plus.
Leon's carrying those cases of eggs plus oh.
My God, like all the winter likewhen the I think that was the
piece of it that threw me over the edge was the thinking like
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Oh my God, fucking winter hats, scarves, boots, snow pants,
everything for every single one of these human beings.
That is just like insanity. There were so many garbage bags
of just stuff. Oh my gosh.
And of course, in true Brown family fashion, the plan had
been to leave at like 10:00 in the morning 10/10/30.
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Hunter. What did he say?
He. Cracked a joke by like, of
course you're supposed to leave by 10:30 and here we are at
1:00. Oh yes, Kody's like yeah, if
next time you want to plan on let's.
Go for it. That was so good.
Yeah, Yes, Hunter, next time, ifyou would like to arrange this
for us to be on time, that wouldbe why.
I actually thought that was a. Great.
That was good. That was a good.
Dad, I will give Kody Craig that.
Was a good dad come back becauseyeah, kids always know what
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should happen. But that, that was good.
Oh, yeah, Christine, they were talking about the real tree and
she said it would be, she felt like, you know, with that cabin
in the mountains and just all the nature, it would be a slap
in the face to bring a fake tree.
So that's why clearly, truly would be.
They had to get that that real tree.
Yes, Christine's well while they're packing the another
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moment that I love with Christine is the tension moment.
This was her yes good with her and Kody and he's in her living
room. It looks like maybe looking
through closet trying to I'm trying to connect some dots and
maybe there's something about other wives inputs on things.
We don't quite get the whole thing teed up, but she cracks a
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joke about reading the other wives minds.
Like, hold on, I'm just kidding.It's so good.
She was being so sarcastic and delivering it well.
So last episode I was talking shit about Christine's acting
skills. In this episode, I am applauding
her sarcasm abilities because she was just like reading the
other minds of the other wives. And he's like, please don't read
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the wives. And she's like, I just don't see
anything right now. It's just not coming through.
And Kody's like, I don't like you right now.
And she's like, well, I'm not going to take that very
personally. It was so classic.
Like every single thing about itwas classic.
It was great. And I was like, absolutely.
Because he is asking her questions as if he wants her to
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go find out the answers for him or, or just that she'll
magically have them. And she's like, so I don't
magically have them. But also fuck you.
No, I'm not going and finding those answers out for you.
You go do it your own fucking self.
Oh my God. And but I'm not even going to
take that personally. Like it was hysterical.
It was pretty good, Yeah. They were so both fucking with
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each other and like, it was so good to see because he was
agitated and she was like, I'm not playing this game.
Literally, it was so good. So it reminds me of, like, how
my dad will stay super calm while all of the women in the
household are, like, losing their shit and he'll just be
just just gingerly vacuuming. Like, no big deal.
We don't need to freak out to get this stuff done.
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You know? It's like, I am gonna murder
you. Oh.
Yeah, yes, yes. It was a great moment.
It was funny. Yes.
Yes. So Christina.
Right, Christina. Oh.
My gosh. And then they pivot into some
sort of discussion about how an overview, a spotlight moment of
that they can only get one vehicle to the actual cabin as
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they're approaching. So while they're packing,
they're thinking about that, butthere's going to have to be a
process because none of the two wheel drives, blah blah blah can
actually get to the cabin. They're all going to have to
park somewhere and they only have one vehicle that will make
it. And then plus snowmobiles maybe.
Again, to me, these are all interesting choices.
So like, was there not another destination that could have
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given you similar vibes, but maybe that all of your vehicles
could have made it to so that you're not doing this fucking
thing that you've decided to do?I I just don't understand the
choices sometimes, but you know,that's just me.
I hate, I know, I hate to say itlike my inner producer is like,
is this just like you guys aren't making any choices and
productions like we're going to print you a cabin.
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We're getting to the cabin is going to be increasing like just
insanely difficult. Like because like, why would you
make these choices? I don't understand, it doesn't
make any sense. Well, for me, it was really just
like, OK, you're going to have to get everything into one
vehicle at some point in time and they're bringing so much
shit. There was so much stuff and all
the wives point out how Kody is having so much stress.
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That was the thing they were allconcerned about, Kody's stress.
Yes. And then they get to that moment
on the couch where they are. Is it?
It's Robyn. OK, yes, it is Robyn.
That Kody doesn't have the luxury of falling apart.
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He is the captain of this ship and he can't fall apart because
then what would happen to everyone around him?
He can't yell as storms coming. Storms are coming.
And we're all going to die, you know, he can't do that.
And so that was a really beautiful metaphor, I thought,
for their family unit. Moving.
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And that's about all I had to say about that.
Yeah. You know.
And then there's actual talk of a storm coming.
So it's funny with the captain of the ship and then literally
Janelle's like there's a storm coming.
Like we literally need to get there because we should be there
before the sun goes down. It's in the mountains, the
forest, there's no lights, it's pitch dark.
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There's an actual storm coming. There has been storms.
There are feet of snow. So let's just add that to their
complex. Again, these are choices we're
making, ladies and gents. Would I drive into the mountains
during a Blizzard or potentiallywhen 1 is about to start to be
stranded up there with all thesefucking yahoos?
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I would not. No.
Personally, but that's just me. You wouldn't.
So this is what I was talking about at the beginning, where in
the background there's an instrumental come All Ye
Faithful taking place. It's like, oh God, you know,
just whatever. And they're frantically shoving
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every last little piece of the planet into their vehicle.
Yes, yes. And it's just.
Like wrapped Christmas presents,it was in bag bag.
But this music in the back is like relaxing and slow and
motivational and whatever, and they're just all like bonkers
(38:47):
everywhere. Like why are we playing this
when this is what's on the fucking TV show?
Like absolutely I another choicethat was made.
I love all these choices. It's just so great.
Hashtag choices Hashtag. Choices.
All of a sudden they're at the parking lot outside of the the
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cabin. They left at 2:00 PM.
They left at 2 PMI. Missed the OK, never mind, maybe
it wasn't all of a sudden. I thought it was all of a.
Sudden, that's pretty much the only thing I have to contribute
is that they left at 2:00 PM andthen, yes, they are at the and
then they were there. Now the reason that this is so
shocking is all of us people in the Sister Wives universe know
that they take a road trip and they document a road trip and
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that road trip is long and slow.So for them to all of a sudden
be at base camp. I think it was only a three hour
drive. I think that's part of the
reason. OK, there maybe wasn't as much.
So they probably made it in like8 or something.
So they're at the base, they're at the place where people can
park the base and all of a sudden they're there and they're
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at this parking lot area thing where you can leave your
vehicles, etcetera, etcetera to make the narrow and deep trek in
this single lane driveway. To five put of snow on either
side of you you know like yes you are driving through like a
snow cave basically to enter this everything about this is
stressful to me everything aboutthis is choices that I would not
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make yes and so all those. Kids around too, because there's
all this footage that happens while we're talking about these
milestones and the show going on.
There's all these little clips that bring everything together
and a lot of it is bags and boxes and groceries and children
and children and Christmas tree and totes and things and shit.
(40:36):
Just so much stuff, things everywhere.
Like you couldn't even move I first and then cameras and then
cameras. And then camera crew in this
space, which is insane. The size of the place was not.
Yeah, as as Christine said, it was a cute cabin, but too small
for their family. Like for an she said for a
normal family it would be very cute.
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And I actually think it would beit.
It looked cute. Oh I'm sure, and it was a cute
location. Like, I totally get all of the
appeal of it short of going in in the Blizzard and all of that
with 20 people. But other than that, you know.
It's like they're arriving and it feels like the arrival is
kind of drawn out in a sense. And that's why I'm saying
there's so many cutaways to different hoarder moments.
Which was shocking and made me anxious.
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But then they show Kody going back with the Suburban 'cause
he's, when he arrives, like everyone has to wait and he has
to bring everything. The true.
Thing it feels like it was drawnout because it was drawn out
because it took him hours it. Took him hours all.
Of the humans and all of the belongings and all of the things
in there. Into the suburban and one-on-one
like only one trek from this base camp parking lot.
All they can take is the suburban back and forth.
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Yes, all of the kids, all of thethings, blah blah blah.
It They show a clip of Kody leaving the house to go back up
the driveway and the vehicle is sliding right and left.
Trailing, he's like, yeah, look how cool I am, look at my big
Dick, you know, like. You audibly scoffed, and I was
so happy. You were just like, Oh my, I'm
like, I know, 'cause it's like, yeah, that was on purpose.
(42:03):
And that was so douchey and it was gross.
So douchey. It was not him trying to get
through the snow. It was him being like, look at
me, show off. It was disgusting.
Yeah. So there's this long drawn out
process of them getting all the things to the house.
They're showing the kids moving around, putting things, places,
yadda yadda yadda. They do do a flash to on the
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couch moment where Kody talks about making difficult decisions
and tough decisions for his family.
So this is this theme is in thisepisode and they're bringing it
back up. They're ramping.
Up. Tough decisions and the
challenging things. Janelle stayed with the kids at
one point because all of the adults were supposed to go get
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snowmobiles, and Kody referencesthat.
The snowmobile guy's been there all day waiting for us and now
it's dark. We got to go.
We got to go. Meri's like we got to go.
And then they showed Janelle being like, I stayed with the
kids and Logan went in my place.One of the few times she chooses
to stay at home with the kids. Yeah, yes, yeah, right.
I was like, oh, I have to go siton a snowmobile.
(43:07):
I'll stay with the kids. As it turns.
Out. Yeah, yeah, Logan mentions that
it's -7° outside, so it they hadstorms and it's cold and you
know, and when it's below 0, everything's such a bitch.
I also noted that it is literally pitch black when
they're showing footage outside the cabin.
They're like, you know, oh, it'snot like there's no stop lights.
There's no overhead lights, there's no city lights, and it
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is black like it is dark. OK.
So Kody has a flair for the dramatics.
Yes, he does, right? And did you catch the line that
he said during the snowmobiling?No, what I wrote down is Kody is
way fucking dramatic about snowmobile rides to the cabin.
(43:50):
Like, I don't know what he said.I was just like, I can't like,
you know, like I don't, I don't know what he said.
I was just like, I can't even. I can't even.
Well, OK, so part of the reason that this is funny is because
you, you know, we're mentioning that it is really dark out there
and OK, you are in a mountain with all of the snow or whatever
else. Now I remember.
(44:12):
And so Kody goes you know, if you go right, you live, but if
you go left, you freeze to death.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So couple of things about that
that are interesting. Now, I'm not saying it's not
(44:32):
possibly true. Yep.
But you're taking all your wivesand your kid on the snowmobiles
in the middle of the night. Life and death.
Life and death mission? Yep, and that's fine.
I think everybody survived. So to ride some snowmobiles up
and down a driveway, Yeah, by the way, the driveway looked
perfectly fine for a snowmobile,totally like there.
(44:54):
Was not this was not life and death clown.
This was ridiculous clown shoes and you know, just.
So stupid. What the fuck ever.
So dramatic. Add to the right, you can live
to the left you're going to freeze to.
Death. OK, It's like, OK, how about 5
feet of snow on both sides of you?
You would have to try to fail it.
(45:15):
I mean, I can't. Oh God.
Anyway. I went out of control and veered
to the right and drove up the five foot embankment to my own
death. Or or alternative option, maybe
there were more dangerous things, but all we saw was 1
moment of a couple snow banks that were extremely tall.
(45:35):
Yeah. And that's where everything
happened. So I.
So if there were actually dramatic points, production
should have included that. Something.
Oh, maybe we'll find out next episode in the morning.
In the morning, this is the roadin the light.
Of day we could see. How snowmobile?
Dangerous. You want to wax?
(45:57):
What is it the like you're just getting?
Dumber. A little creepy.
Dumber and Dumber and Dumber well.
We're just like this family. Golly, OK, there was some more
bad Christmas music in the background of all of those
situations. Interesting.
Placements per. Yuge.
Back at the cabin. Back at the cabin.
(46:18):
They're decorating the tree. That was cute.
There were some cute moments andeven one of them was a cut away
from I think outside where someone hung over.
AI don't know if it was a what Do grandma's make you a quilt?
Quilt family or something? It's a family on it that was
hanging from the railing and I was like, that was cute.
Even though it was crooked and looked, it was terrible, but it
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was cute, yes. And then they bring this tree
in. Now, mind you, there's like the
pathway through the horde that they're like bringing the tree
in and setting it up, which Amen, they're doing the
decorating. I think the first glimpse we get
to see is Mckelty with like a strand of something, some lights
or some popcorn on a string or something.
And she's looks like she's like barely able to function and
(47:03):
falling over. And there's other kids doing
everyone's trying to do. Some people are trying to just
be out of the way. Some people are just watching.
There's a lot going on, a lot ofpeople, a lot of stuff.
And a tree getting decorated. But there was, there was like a
good feeling about it. It was, yeah, I feel.
Like, it was good vibes. It was good vibes.
Totally. Yeah, totally.
(47:25):
And, you know, even as much shitas I give them for making these
choices, I think actually doing the decorating of the tree and
things like that, the fact that they weren't going to be home
over Christmas and having all ofthis with them will still make
it more like a normal Christmas.Like, it would probably be sad
if they didn't have a Christmas tree, you know?
Yeah, they were doing all this. So even as much as I wouldn't do
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the same as what they're doing right now.
Yeah, I get that. I guess you know, And Meri got
to bring her red, white and bluedecorations and her tots.
Oh good. Yeah, yeah.
Glad I missed that. Yeah.
So I did notice while they are decorating the tree that they
start doing some voiceover Ness and then they transition to our
(48:09):
next scene on the couch. But while they're having a
little voiceover and showing thekids decorating the tree, they
play the theme song from their voice overs at the beginning of
the episode, their intro voice overs.
So when they're going through byMeri Janelle, Christine, Robyn
Kody, there's this sister wise music.
(48:31):
But for this part where they were doing the tree, they added
a beat that had a suspenseful undertone.
So it was like, but it was Sister Wives song and I'm like,
oh God, like it's just leading up to this next part, which is
the end of the episode. And it made sense, but I was
(48:52):
also like just being mindful of production.
I was like, Oh my God, they're taking the theme song and making
it creepy to lead into whatever this is, which is very short, I
guess. Kody on the couch getting
emotional supposedly. Did I believe it?
I don't know. I don't know.
But he gets misty eyed. He does his little, his pauses
(49:15):
and his sentences that they've decided to move the family and
that only the four oldest kids know.
They show Logan, Leon, Maddie and Aspen and kind of leave it
on a, you know, cliffhanger. Note that they're moving the
family because of the investigation and that's all we
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know. Did he say anything to you that
stood out? Like do you remember any of the?
Things, he said. I mean, he just reiterated the
whole historical notion of if something were to happen, their
family would be broken up. That's right.
That was kind of just the Ness of it, right?
And so they had to figure out what to do, and this is what
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they've decided. Yeah, nothing crazy other than
that it was pretty brief. There was not a lot of fluff to
it or whatever. Yeah, he was.
It was interesting because physically, like the movements
in his face and things like that, it, it felt like it was
actual genuine emotion, but I just don't believe it.
I don't know. It was weird.
It was weird. They ended, though, with Robyn.
(50:23):
Did you see what she said? OK, I don't know.
She's on the couch. It's kind of pans over to her
and she has this, her stupid, goofy smile.
And she said, we just decided, you know, that nobody can take
Christmas away from you. OK?
(50:46):
Thanks, Robyn. They're not going to take
Christmas away from you. Well, she's OK.
Well, you know, I guess that's what you would say.
It's the whole demeanor, it's her whole body language, the
face, it's the stupid. But we just decided nobody's
going to take Christmas away from you.
(51:08):
Yeah. Like, just all of her
ridiculousness. Yeah.
Together, It's. It's not necessarily the words.
She is an idiot. Yeah, she's an idiot.
That's an idiot. Yeah, we're left on this
cliffhanger of they're moving, they're going to be leaving and
that's that. So cool.
Thanks, Kody. Cool.
(51:30):
Cool, cool, really great. I'm excited.
Do we? Need to re evaluate all of our
life choices right? Now no, no, we need to re
evaluate all of Kody Brown's. Life choices, right that's right
actually, that is what we're doing you're right OK I I got it
flipped around that's. Amazing.
That's amazing. So mustard seed and shit stain.
(51:54):
Do you have a? Do you have an obvious one for
either one? If you have one, shout it out.
I'm going to give I'm going to give my shit stain to Kody Brown
because of that interaction withChristine where he thought she
should have all of the answers to all of the things.
(52:14):
And they didn't really have great examples of him
overreacting this episode like two people.
But they did have non speaking clips where his physicality was
way over the top. He's very, he adds chaos to it.
And that the fact that they try to give him props for being some
sort of great leader who, like, makes all these decisions and
(52:36):
then the entire episode is basically evidence that that's
not true, that he is not on top of things and he's not a good
planner and he's not a good executor.
And I also think there was a level of them making excuses,
like Even so what you're saying is right, there weren't like
crazy examples of what he was doing.
Like sometimes there are, but there was a lot of them
(52:59):
explaining that Kody's under so much stress.
And so it's been really hard. And so whatever like they were,
they were giving some validationto his craziness a little bit
right now actually, like quite often.
Agreed and felt so he gets my shit stain.
All right, well, if you're goingwith Kody, I'll go with Robyn.
Oh, wow. Shock, shock.
Really shocking, really shocking.
(53:20):
And why am I going with Robyn this time for putting that
fucking sharpie on those that ornament ribbon?
That was just if. If you needed to do something,
you should have tied a piece of paper with the message in the
ribbon you did not need to write.
Like a little gift. Tag like anything.
(53:42):
Come on man, you ruined them. Yeah, way to have an idea.
That came out mid and then you made it worse, you know?
Yeah, seriously. So that's that.
We'll go with that one. Yeah, fuck Robyn.
I I shouldn't say that so much. It's like a default.
Hey, I'm not telling you this. OK, so my mustard seed.
Mustard seed. Do you have a mustard seed?
(54:05):
You go ahead I I do but if if it's the same I can flex.
I'm going to give my mustard seed to Meri and you know, I'm
not going to go down those things.
I'm not going to repeat myself. Like I do every time.
We know, OK, I'm giving Meri my mustard seed because she puts up
the Christmas lights and I thinkshe does it out of obligation.
(54:29):
I think she does it because she wants to do it and I think she
knows she'll do it right and that even when things are messed
up, she will correct them. She won't just leave them wrong
for all of eternity. And I like I've always liked
that about Meri that she's like a go getter and she's a getter
done or done or she is great in that way.
So even though I'm going to needto be seeing a doctor
(54:52):
immediately after this for giving her another mustard seed,
my God, the number of mustard seeds I've given Meri am IA Meri
fan. I I feel like you still haven't
come to terms with it, but I think it is.
But I'm giving it to Meri and I'll have to seek counsel on
this. But yes.
Well, I think that all makes sense.
And to kind of piggyback a little bit, I'm going to give
(55:15):
mine to Leon. And it is for saying that what
Meri said was sexist and that girls can do anything boys can
do. Thank you very much, Leon.
Yeah. A message received.
While their mom was literally doing the job that she was
saying boys should do. Correct.
Applause all around, correct? Well, Meri and Leon get a
mustard seed in the same episode.
(55:37):
I know. How sweet.
I mean, if you're doing if one, one day when this is on a
Wikipedia page, there's going tobe some sort of different
color-coded thing where it's like, oh, a mother and child got
mustard seed in the same episodehere.
Yeah, there's probably some weird statistics we can pull
out, right? Yeah, someone could do a
something a form like. You know, kind of how, like,
(55:57):
there's all of these, like, baseball stats.
Yeah. Like, when did that become a
stat? Like they just have all these
crazy fucking numbers they pull out of nowhere.
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plugging us, for sharing us, fortalking about us with anyone you
know who who watches this show, which is which may be no one
because we didn't know and we don't know we're.
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Not necessarily like encouragingnew people to start watching it.
That's not necessarily our goal.To listen to our show.
Misery, yes, with those that have sadly fallen into the same
rabbit hole that we did. And so we do want more people to
listen to us, Yes, but we're notsaying you have to watch Sister
Wives because that's, we would not force that on anyone.
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I just had a conversation this week with a good friend and I
was like filling him in about the show and he's like oh so
sister wives. And I'm like don't start.
Like don't do it. It's really not worth it.
But if you want to listen to ourshow you should.
But don't. Watch the show.
All right, everyone, we will seeyou soon to continue Season 2.
We've got some big things happening with the Brown family.
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Apparently they're moving. We don't know what was the what
was the title of this episode again?
The Brown family decision. The Brown family decision, so we
know that there's a decision that has been made potentially.
No, we do know at the very end they confirm they are moving.
Out of state, yes. OK, so they are.
Moving out of state. Out of state, and we know that
(58:07):
we. Know that's happening and we
know where they end up, but I don't remember what happens in
between. So I'm actually kind of excited
to refresh my memory as to how this train wreck starts.
In the next episode, they're still up at the cabin out in the
middle of nowhere, so we get some fun cabin moments.
Great. It's going to be great.
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Can't wait. All right, everyone, sleep time.
Wait, 'cause you go to bed rightnow?
I was going to say, like, don't let the bed bugs bite.
Yeah, I don't like to say, you know what?
Bye. Adios.
Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Allie, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.
(00:22):
That's us all right. See you on the.
Flip side, let me call you sweetheart.
I'm in love with you. What does the nanny do?
OK, so we're done. Goodbye.
You shut it off. Do not twist my words.
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Do not. Make me a victim, sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw.
That day, just a knife in the kidneys over all these years and
the sacrifices that I made to love you.
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Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun.
Holy crap, here comes Jesus and he doesn't look too happy.
What an. Intro Well, I know that was
that's I think Family Guy, but Christmas is the holidays are
here. How about you give us an opening
of a of a little Christmas Jingle, like I just did, but
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better? OK, well, one that becomes hold
on, hold on the first Christmas song I noted.
I will. Oh, Oh yes.
Moment, moment. Oh, come All Ye Faithful.
Joyful and triumph. OK, wow, that was playing in the
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background of a super chaotic moment towards the end of the
episode where it was like instrumental oh, come all you
faithful. And yeah, like, what is this
trickery that they're doing right now?
Trickery. Yes, it is the holidays.
It is Christmas. It's not the holidays, it is
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Christmas. The Christmas season.
That is what is referred to overand over again during this
Christmas season. Yes, Christmas season, it's very
exciting stuff. Season 2 episode 7, the Brown
family decision. Now that title sucks and we will
talk about that because we do learn that there is a decision
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about something that we will learn more about later.
So fuck that title. It's terrible.
They open up the show. It's kind of fun because the
first few seconds they show the kids playing in the snow for a
little bit. And I was like, oh, and just
like we always experience with the show, it moves on too
quickly. So it's like all of a sudden
we're not with the kids in the snow.
I thought we were going to have the kids in the snow moment.
(03:05):
Yes, Gwendolyn doing snow angelsor something super cute.
Maybe Savannah like throwing some shit in the air, yes.
And it's like, oh, the kids are going to play.
And then all of a sudden it's like we're going to a remote
cabin in the forest. It's like, OK, like the adult,
the adults are just talking now out of nowhere.
I, I don't remember if there's anything that anybody says at
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the beginning before they start talking about the investigation
other than we're going to a remote cabin in the forest for,
for Christmas. Was there any details about
their trip that they gave right up front that I missed?
Not really, other than like the statement from.
Yeah, well, this is it. They're going to this remote
cabin for Christmas in the forest as a way to escape their
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current situation with the investigation.
And they also talk about trying to have the kids, you know,
escape as well. It's like an escape for
everybody. But we do get our first
statement piece, or I don't knowwhat you would call it, text on
the screen from a Sister Wives episode.
And I'm going to read it becausewe definitely made sure to
document a statement from the from Donna Kelly, the deputy
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County Attorney for Utah County.The quote is the Browns have
definitely made it easier for usby admitting to felonies on
national TV. So it's the first quote they
give us. And then they go back to
Janelle. She says something, I don't
know, Janelle's kind of leading us through this like quote bit
where she's like, we got it. There's in a statement from the
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County Attorney. And then the statement comes
across the screen. She says something else, and
then they go back to a second part of the statement, which is
you can expect a decision in thenext 60 to 90 days.
So then they're like, well, whatdoes 6090 days mean?
What does this mean? Kind of, OK, these are official
statements. We later find out in the episode
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it's because the police have handed over their investigation
to the county attorney's office.They didn't tell us that at the
beginning, but that's what we find out later on the couch.
I mean, Kody's talking about thethere's stress levels and how he
feels like the little guy versusGoliath.
A small little peon. A small little peon he.
Feels like a small little peon against Goliath.
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Well, Kody's such a small littlepeon, I guess.
But yeah, I mean, there's been the vibe.
I mean, they've been talking about this for a hot minute, but
now we're starting to get some actual details and things.
So, you know, that makes sense. Yeah, Yeah.
But this Christmas is with extrastress, right?
They keep reiterating all of this, the extra stress.
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And I think that this is at the point that you put together
maybe that they're packing all of Christmas and bringing it
with them to this cabin like this is like a big endeavor that
is happening. Yeah.
And then they again allude to like a big decision next week.
So we're just, we're just weaving that decision through
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here occasionally, right. And so we actually don't hear
anything about it, but it's still, we're going to talk about
it. Meri does say that they have big
decisions to make as a family inthe next few weeks.
So that's like cliffhanger. Oh, La La.
Yep. But then they cut to Meri
immediately putting lights on the House.
Christmas lights. Light extraordinaire added to
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her titles. OK.
Very light extraordinaire. OK, OK.
Tooth puller. Tooth puller.
Packing Nazi. Packing Nazi photography
goddess. Central packing.
Central packing. We added another one to the list
last within the last couple weeks.
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What was it? I've already forgotten that one.
Bowler. Yes, Bowler.
Bowler, striker, strike. We got a yeah, she got a strike
in bowling, so. And now and now she
extraordinary. Christmas lights.
So now we're at six. We're never going to remember
these. I don't You know what they
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didn't ever cut to? Anybody giving Meri props for
putting up the lights as if thisis the amazing thing she does?
So we're thinking that yeah, we're giving her too much
credit. Because I did, I started it.
I started it. But I think what did they say?
They they said it was Christine or Janelle.
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I think it was Christine while they were on the couch.
So she puts up these lights and every year there's a gap every
year, and then she has to go. Because they're white icicle
lights. And so then they cut to an
outside shot when the sun's downand there are blank spots where
the lights are not working, so she has to go back up and do
that. Oh my gosh.
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I love when they show Meri up onthe roof at the beginning and
Leons behind I I didn't really pay attention to Leon at first,
but Meri's, you know, talking about having to put the lights
up and how now the boys should probably put the lights up
because but because they don't, she's going to And Leon says
that is so sexist. Girls can do anything boys can
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do. In a response to Meri saying
that, which I thought was prettyfunny.
It was actually kind of funny because they were standing on
the edge of the roof when they said it and it was intentional.
Like I am saying this to a camera because that is bullshit.
You know, like not holding back at all.
It was a young woke person. Oh my goodness.
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Oh gosh, and then they cut to the family inside and everyone's
drawing for their holiday gifts,their Christmas gifts.
I need to stop saying holiday because it is Christmas.
We aren't that woke around here.It is Christmas goddamnit.
So they are drawing for their gifts.
And that totally makes sense. I mean, that many kids like, Oh
my. Like, of course you're going to
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draw for like 1 gift exchange with the children specifically.
And then Garrison is so funny. I loved it.
You know, having four moms meansthat I get more gifts.
Yeah. And who says is it Christine?
I think is. Meri is Meri.
Yeah. She was like very smart, very
smart. Garrison.
Yes. So cute.
That was very cute. I love his little moments in
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this second season with his Mohawk and he's it is he has
that like sarcastic take. It's fun.
Yes, absolutely. They then kind of maybe we're
back to a couch moment. Yeah.
And talking about how their Christmases, like the opening of
presents, can go on and on and on.
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And how they've had to stop for lunch before.
Yeah, in the middle did. Janelle got such a crack out of
that. She was like, oh, we had to stop
for lunch. She really was proud of herself
for that one. It was fun.
It was really great. Yeah, it was pretty cute.
All that Christmas stuff I thinkwas, you know, fun.
Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it was to be expected, I
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guess. Now we're going to make a cut to
one of my favorite scenes thus far.
And and you know, we haven't covered a lot, but we've covered
some things is the tree market. Now, did you catch the name of
this tree market? I believe the name of it.
Well, OK. It was like being funny though.
(10:11):
No, because I can't. No, I can't remember the name.
It was something like OK, buyingtrees here.
No, no, no, no. No.
OK, what is it called? So Meri goes, we are going to go
to a Christmas tree farm to pickout our Christmas tree today and
it's actually called the Christmas Tree Farm.
Yes, that's why I thought you were being funny.
(10:33):
No, she didn't say that. I remembered, but I didn't write
it down. Christmas tree farm.
Yes, the Christmas tree farm. Yes, which is great because it
was literally, yes, describing what it is, yes, like kind of
like my Sister Wives podcast. Yes, that's what it is.
It's like if you confuse this, you got a problem and we get
introduced to Matt. Hello, Matt.
(10:55):
OK, wow. Matt is the hot guy who runs the
Christmas tree farm, or at leasthe's the face of it.
He's definitely the face of it. When Christine say at one point
she goes, I tell you any woman that goes to that farm is
leaving with a tree, yes. Like he's got this unlock.
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Like he knows what the fuck he'sdoing.
Right. Absolutely.
Oh, Matt is a hottie. He is.
The vibe for me when Matt was talking was like when a woman is
meeting the man in a Hallmark Christmas special.
Yes. And it's like all of a sudden
everything in my life can come into place because this like
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scruffy guy who works with trees.
But it's super genuine and nice and funny and like.
Only slightly sexually. Suggestive Sweet.
How often do you think Matt getslaid for his gig at the
Christmas tree farm for women trying to create that Hallmark
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fairy tale? He has to get a lot of tail.
If he wants it, he can probably get.
It. Yeah, Matt, if you're out there,
first of all, call me. Yeah.
Second of all, we would like youto fill in some blanks for us.
Yeah, Yeah. That would be really.
Nice. We'd love to hear your story.
We'd love to see an updated photo.
You can wear clothes or not. Totally cool.
(12:20):
So I'm questioning the marketingof the kissing balls.
I think we could have used a different term for them, but I
understand your goal maybe. So Matt, we just, we need to
talk a little bit. Meri asking Matt about
mistletoe. Oh and the mistletoe.
(12:40):
And he's like, we will clear everything.
We will find you. Even the smallest bit of
mistletoe. We will do whatever like like we
will get it done. Like how Janelle gets it done.
That's what he was saying he would do for Meri but with
mistletoe and then kissing balls.
Leon mom. Leon literally was like mom
because Meri was straight up like flirting and being upset.
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Well, they were like hugging as they left.
It's like, yeah, you picked out a fucking tree.
But Matt Bun bun that Christmas tree like a God damn pro that he
is. They wanted to see the tree from
all sides. You know, the only thing that
Matt could have really had goingfor him, he missed opportunity.
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It shouldn't have been the blackhoodie.
It should have been a Carhartt, right?
He probably should have had on some, I think it different jeans
and maybe just some better boots.
I think he could have really done a little bit more of the
who's the actor I'm going for right now?
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Oh, it's not going to come to me, but he could have stepped up
the game a little bit for what he was signing on for to really
up the ante. Well, this is after seeing this,
a good evaluation would be I would say go with a good Plaid,
but a Carhartt. Amen.
Some tighter jeans and he had one of those great fur hats.
It could have just been a littlesmaller.
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It was a bit big. Everything was a little like oh
oh oh, but with some tiny tweaks.
Oh man, Matthew, the face and that voice, the voice.
It was an attractive voice because it wasn't like a deep
Husky, but it was not Sissy either, you know what I mean?
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Like what are you? Trying to what are you trying
to? Say no offense to anyone, I have
a face that offensively, I don'tknow.
He had a good voice. He had a good tone.
It was. For me it was about his.
Cadence, it was like. The way that he was talking, he
had a great. Back and forth.
And you could tell he was probably a generous lover or is
a generous lover. We could find out.
(14:50):
Again, Matt. Matt, call me.
If you're willing to discuss your love making skills with us,
let us know. We'd love to and we'd love to
talk about your outfits and how things are going at the
Christmas Tree Farm. Right, right.
So. We might need to come see a tree
being spun. These women were falling all
over this man like they were ridiculous.
(15:13):
It was They were openly admitting the flirting and how
fun it was. Had Kody Brown been there, I
think this would have been a very different experience for
these women. I do not think that, and in fact
I bet he was a little irritated when he saw it after the fact.
(15:36):
Interesting. Yeah, I could see it.
I could see it getting under a skin event.
Also, I bet he was a little jealous that he didn't get to
flirt with Matt. Do you know what I'm saying?
He flirts with some men sometimes.
I know. No, I think if he wasn't going
to try to show, if he couldn't over showboat him, then he'd
have to play along in some way. Well, he.
Just like he like we're different with the surfer dude.
(15:58):
Like he was flirting with the surfer dude on he and Robyn's
honeymoon. He was flirting.
I'm saying he probably would have turned this into a Kody and
Matt love fest for a minute at. Least you show me your pine cone
and I'll show you mine. That one, that was it.
And pine cone. Yeah, you know, well, Christmas,
you know, Yeah, mistletoe, Chris.
(16:19):
But kissing balls, Whatever. All right.
So Matt, if you're out there again, just super clear.
OK. Yeah, moving on.
Yeah, now that we've spent 1/2 hour talking about the guy at
the tree market, the Christmas tree farm, the.
Christmas Tree Farm That's namedthe Christmas Tree Farm.
Yes, Yes, it is a Hallmark moviein the making.
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It absolutely is. Then they're stressed, right?
We're back to stress. Cut immediately to We are
melding traditions for four families.
We're doing the holidays. The families are coming
together. There's investigations, stresses
Kody's all over the place, Yeah.Yeah, he's really, really
worried about it. But don't you worry.
Robyn just wants to be sure she can create her own tradition.
(17:05):
Yeah. Yeah, she just.
That's top of her list. You can't lose your traditions
just because you're joining another family.
You have to make sure that yoursget squeezed in there just like
on the couch and squeeze in there.
She was really trying to think about what she could do to
contribute in a way of a tradition for the family.
And so she came up with this super unique idea.
(17:28):
Idea of making Christmas ornaments for each child.
Yeah, yeah. Ground breaking never would have
come up with it. Now, I'm not mad at it.
I think it's OK. I mean, it's not but the most
original but. No, she makes it seem like,
well, I thought and I thought and I just, Oh yeah.
And this is what I land, I think.
(17:49):
Of course, the most like what's the most obvious Christmas gift?
The most consistent gift is probably Christmas ornament.
For sure. Yeah, it was fine.
Did did you notice the sharpie on the ribbon?
I no, I noticed a couple things where I thought it looked
hideous but I didn't really knowif I was being too judgmental or
(18:09):
not. Like I was like, is she trying
to build a ship in a bottle? It's like, no, it's just some
shit in a fucking. Theory.
There was a message in there. OK, something about a candy cane
in Jesus. But the ribbon, what's funny is
that it was a cute enough littleplastic ornament with some snow
(18:30):
and some shit inside it, whatever.
And then she tied this like satin red ribbon on it.
And it could have been like, OK,that would have been like cute.
And instead on the black ribbon,or sorry, the red ribbon, she
took a black sharpie and wrote the real reason for Christmas or
(18:53):
something, right? Like it's like a sentence
covering the ribbon. Oh God.
It looks ridiculous and it's like the ribbon itself was
lovely. What are you doing?
Like no honey. That sounds on brand.
Well, it is so she made some ornaments and Robyn.
Robyn took she took all of the brain powers she could muster
(19:16):
for for the the fourth quarter of that year and put it into
making some fucking throwaway ornaments with handwriting on
the fucking ribbon. That's lovely.
Now what I will give her props for is making ornaments for the
kids every year. Does seem like a reasonable and
nice tradition. Yeah, I think it's super cute.
So that's great. Totally agree.
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Of course she executed it poorlybecause it's Robyn, Yes.
And makes it such a big thing because it's.
Right. Like, oh God, you'll never
believe what I did, Yes. No, like, OK.
We probably will find it hard tobelieve that you completed
something, but yes, OK. Janelle does a traditional
Christmas breakfast which I thought was great.
Absolutely. Christine likes she has
(19:57):
implemented St. Lucia which St.
Lucia day excuse me for the oldest girls in the family to
make I I can't remember what meal specifically.
Is it just a meal? I think it's breakfast again.
So I think they talked about a couple of different breakfasts.
Yeah. So maybe we're talking like
Christmas Eve breakfast, Christmas Day breakfast or
something. Like that Christine's is
definitely before Christmas because I remember that from a
(20:19):
further season. Fair enough.
She does this before Christmas stuff.
And the girls it is because I think they make crepes one year.
So it's a breakfast. Gotcha.
Yeah. And I, I remember correctly,
they talk about how Aurora is going to join the girls in this
year's Saint Lucia Day. Perhaps, maybe that's not true.
Did they say that? I don't remember OK I.
(20:41):
Don't remember. There was some excitement.
I there was something I think Robyn said about how she was
glad her daughters would be ableto participate in Christine's
blah blah blah, or at least her oldest daughter at some point.
Fair enough. And Meri makes everyone pajamas.
Yes, she does. She does.
You put a connection when we watched her sewing the pajamas.
(21:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's the same footage, yes, from a couple
episodes ago, a few episodes agowhen we were making.
That week. You were making fun of you were
making fun of Meri for being a patriot, for being a God fearing
American. For being a patriot.
You were making fun of. Herself.
I don't think those were the words I used.
(21:25):
I do believe I said it was a lotof techie red, white and blue
decor, Yes, that threw up all over her whole house.
Basically, the reason that I'm taking us on this detour is
'cause I posted a clip of us, doyou know, on the social media
and some of the people's responses literally like, what
is it a problem that she's proudof her country?
Like, Oh my God, did you even listen?
(21:46):
And like, get a grip. Like we are not saying there's a
problem with supporting your country.
This is, it's a joke. This is all a joke.
It is not a Dick. Don't take it so hard seriously.
And also we can judge the decor regardless of what the decor is.
And we're not I'm not now. We are also still judging them
as people, but that wasn't what I was judging.
(22:07):
You know, like I'm not any who. There's a lot of judgements and
it is what it is. But this footage that they're
playing now where Meri's sewing the pyjamas for the kids is the
same footage from when she was in her potential likely guest
room where she changes it up forthe seasons, which doesn't even
make sense. What is it, the 4th of July?
They're using footage from that for Christmas, Like whatever,
(22:29):
who knows, blah, blah, blah. But she's sewing in a room and
the cat's there, the Kitty cats walking across her sewing table.
But her voice over is talking about a police officer pulling
into the driveway and turning around and how she and of
course, they had to bring it up before the commercial break.
And then after the. So it's like, it's like the
third time we've heard this sound bite from her about like,
(22:51):
I was just like shaking because of the police.
OK. A cop pulled in the driveway and
turned around and then left him was getting someone out of the
ditch. I'm leaning here right now just
like headed my hands because this is so silly and This is why
what had happened in the last episode and they were like,
we're being persecuted and the police are after us.
(23:12):
That cop went past someone in the ditch and chose to turn
around in their driveway, just like any one of us have been
driving on a street, made a wrong turn, pulled into
someone's driveway, back to round, went back, and she's
making it sound like she's terrified for their lives.
(23:32):
If the police were going to comeand arrest him today, they're
going to like, I guess maybe it's plausible that something
like that's going to happen, butI don't.
It just seems like too much to me.
It's like you are escalating this again.
I don't know what I would feel like if it was in their shoes,
so maybe it would. Well, listen, we hear sirens in
the backyard and they're like, my God, what's happening?
(23:54):
So I can't judge. I am still judging though.
Yeah, to me, I think it's the reason it kind of annoys me or
maybe makes my eyes roll a bit is because it's post this and
it's still sensationalized. It's like you lived through it,
you went through it. You realize it.
You don't need to make it sound like it was the end of the
world. Like if anything, I would be
like, I can't believe I'm such afool.
(24:15):
It's like this cop came and like, I was like freaking out
and it was like totally unnecessary.
That would be a more reasonable way to tell that story.
That would be a more reasonable,like, look at the irrational
stuff this investigation is making us do.
A car drove in the driveway and I freaked.
Yeah, it was just going. And maybe she did, kind of.
I know that was not the overall vibe though.
(24:36):
It was not though like she couldhave.
Anyway, that was a lot that. Sensationalized everything
having to do with the police. And you know, maybe we have been
a little flippant about their level of concern at the time.
And let's like we said, if Meredith was on TV being like
we're under investigation, we feel a little different, but
they're they, it's so sensationalized every and we're
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just, we have any, we don't haveany information.
The only information we have arethe two sentences they gave us
at the beginning of the show. That apparently they think
you're idiots because you're doing this on television and in
60 to 90 days something is goingto happen.
Yeah, that's all we know. That's all we know, yeah.
And then I guess they do tell usa little bit more as we get
through this episode about how historically we could only come
(25:23):
to 1 conclusion. It's like Jesus Christ.
I mean, yeah, which even that direct connect isn't a direct
connect. We'll get there.
Right. Kody talks a lot about how do I
protect my family from this? And I'm just, you know, oh God,
he's the leader of his family. I don't.
Once again, I blocked out most of what he said.
It was a huge burden. This is a huge burden on the
(25:44):
family and on him, you know, Andit's like, yeah, sure.
Yeah, of course. Oh, this is actually when
Christine brings up her family again, though.
So she had last episode and thenthis episode she gave maybe more
details or maybe it was a more full clip of what we saw.
How her dad's family when he wasa child, his dad, and all the
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wives and mothers in the family were all arrested in the middle
of the night maybe. Maybe.
And taken from their homes and the family was like separated
permanently forever. Like they didn't know where the
other wives had gone and lived or any of this stuff.
And it was just crazy, I guess, with that having been an
(26:37):
experience that somebody in yourfamily actually has lived.
OK, that's, you know, concerningbut.
We're a separation that I see inthe direct connect between them
and this story from Christine's past or her family, her lineage?
Is that her father's dad and I? I don't know this.
Someone will have to let us knowif that is the same person who
(26:58):
was the prophet of the AUB because Christine's grandfather
was the head of the AUB. So I'm assuming this is the same
person because, I don't know, maybe she has two grandfathers.
And if I was a gambling man, I'dguess the one that was arrested
was the prophet of the AUB. So like, OK, your grandfather,
who was heading up an entire religious sect that was breaking
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laws according to the state of Utah, was arrested.
Yeah. Amen.
This. It does sound like they
experienced some family trauma from the family broken up, you
know, whatever and he was arrested.
They were arrested. Assume you were how how is it
that the wives were not able to touch base?
Like what are the there's a government forced no
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communication mandates like. As usual, there are a lot of
missing pieces to this puddle, puddle, puddle.
Puddle monkeys puzzle Puddle monkeys puzzle Yes, it's.
Yes, of missing pieces. So I do believe we may begin to
learn more about it as time goeson, but.
And if Christine has two grandfathers that were both
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polygamists and one of them was the head of the AUB and the
other was not, then I apologize.My assumption was wrong.
But I'm guessing it was her grandfather who was the prophet
of the AUB and was arrested. And that was probably used as a
way to make an example. And there was probably some more
dramatics and theatrics. Now that's me jumping to
conclusions. I feel like that makes a lot of
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sense. Also on TV, so he might be a
good person to make an example out of.
There's that angle. But you know, Christine, this is
what's funny about. I don't know if funny is the
right word. This is what's interesting.
I don't know if. Interesting is the right word.
This is why it's something that these people are liars.
Yes. Christine is not saying my
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grandfather who was arrested, who was the prophet of the
culture, the religion, that we're a part of the cult.
She doesn't say that there's no mention of it at all.
It's a rather important detail. I Yes, yes.
Yes, Amen. OK, so we moved from couch to
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travel day. Yes, we are packing up.
We are leaving the home to this cabin in the mountains to
reconnect as a family unit again.
We're we're reconnecting. This has kicked off with
Christine. She has a great line amazing and
says basically like as it turns out, we have to pack the entire
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planet. We both laughed out loud.
She's. Very funny.
Because it seems accurate and asyou watch this shit show unfold
as usual. Oh my God, yes they did pack the
entire planet and also, as it turns out, brought it to a place
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that's not large enough for their planet to be.
Right. Doesn't fit.
Their planet doesn't fit. But yes.
And it is funny because when Christine says that, it was a
very funny line. It was great.
And then there's like this montage bit of like clips of the
stuff everywhere and it's so much stuff.
And then like moving things, kids, moving things, people
moving things, all these things.I was like, all the kids, all
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the stuff, all the kids, all thestuff.
There's some reference to like, oh, everyone's really excited.
Even the kids are excited. And then they show these
spotlight moments with the teenagers.
Oh my God. And they are not very like.
I don't even want to go. I don't want to do this.
Why are we doing this like a true teenager?
Is it Aspen that's like, I'd rather just stay home.
Or maybe he's Mckelty. I don't know.
Yes. And then Maddie's like, yeah,
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like 4 days of my family is like, no.
Yeah, like. No, like they're not
enthusiastic at all, even thoughwhatever adult was like the kids
are all excited. It's like, OK, yes, some of them
probably are, but not the older ones.
They're just telling themselves that so that they actually get
the fuck out of that, yes, and complete the trip, you know what
I mean? 100.
Oh my goodness. But like there's like packing a
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lot of talk of like stress, a lot of talk of the stress of the
investigation, but then like also their self-imposed stresses
of like merging the family and like now we're getting everyone
together. We're packing our entire world
into some vehicles to drive to aremote cabin.
Like we bought a tree, a fresh tree to bring with.
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Like it's just like, I feel likeI would be saying no to like all
of these things. Like I would be like, we don't
pack up our lives. We don't bring a fresh tree we
don't like. I don't know.
I'm actually just impressed thatthey were able to do it in a
sense. Like I'll be curious to see how
the rest of it goes. I don't think we've finished
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that trip yet. No.
I think next episode will be more of it.
But yeah, a whole ass fucking tree.
Meri brought totes of decorations like plus.
Leon's carrying those cases of eggs plus oh.
My God, like all the winter likewhen the I think that was the
piece of it that threw me over the edge was the thinking like
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Oh my God, fucking winter hats, scarves, boots, snow pants,
everything for every single one of these human beings.
That is just like insanity. There were so many garbage bags
of just stuff. Oh my gosh.
And of course, in true Brown family fashion, the plan had
been to leave at like 10:00 in the morning 10/10/30.
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Hunter. What did he say?
He. Cracked a joke by like, of
course you're supposed to leave by 10:30 and here we are at
1:00. Oh yes, Kody's like yeah, if
next time you want to plan on let's.
Go for it. That was so good.
Yeah, Yes, Hunter, next time, ifyou would like to arrange this
for us to be on time, that wouldbe why.
I actually thought that was a. Great.
That was good. That was a good.
Dad, I will give Kody Craig that.
Was a good dad come back becauseyeah, kids always know what
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should happen. But that, that was good.
Oh, yeah, Christine, they were talking about the real tree and
she said it would be, she felt like, you know, with that cabin
in the mountains and just all the nature, it would be a slap
in the face to bring a fake tree.
So that's why clearly, truly would be.
They had to get that that real tree.
Yes, Christine's well while they're packing the another
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moment that I love with Christine is the tension moment.
This was her yes good with her and Kody and he's in her living
room. It looks like maybe looking
through closet trying to I'm trying to connect some dots and
maybe there's something about other wives inputs on things.
We don't quite get the whole thing teed up, but she cracks a
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joke about reading the other wives minds.
Like, hold on, I'm just kidding.It's so good.
She was being so sarcastic and delivering it well.
So last episode I was talking shit about Christine's acting
skills. In this episode, I am applauding
her sarcasm abilities because she was just like reading the
other minds of the other wives. And he's like, please don't read
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the wives. And she's like, I just don't see
anything right now. It's just not coming through.
And Kody's like, I don't like you right now.
And she's like, well, I'm not going to take that very
personally. It was so classic.
Like every single thing about itwas classic.
It was great. And I was like, absolutely.
Because he is asking her questions as if he wants her to
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go find out the answers for him or, or just that she'll
magically have them. And she's like, so I don't
magically have them. But also fuck you.
No, I'm not going and finding those answers out for you.
You go do it your own fucking self.
Oh my God. And but I'm not even going to
take that personally. Like it was hysterical.
It was pretty good, Yeah. They were so both fucking with
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each other and like, it was so good to see because he was
agitated and she was like, I'm not playing this game.
Literally, it was so good. So it reminds me of, like, how
my dad will stay super calm while all of the women in the
household are, like, losing their shit and he'll just be
just just gingerly vacuuming. Like, no big deal.
We don't need to freak out to get this stuff done.
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You know? It's like, I am gonna murder
you. Oh.
Yeah, yes, yes. It was a great moment.
It was funny. Yes.
Yes. So Christina.
Right, Christina. Oh.
My gosh. And then they pivot into some
sort of discussion about how an overview, a spotlight moment of
that they can only get one vehicle to the actual cabin as
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they're approaching. So while they're packing,
they're thinking about that, butthere's going to have to be a
process because none of the two wheel drives, blah blah blah can
actually get to the cabin. They're all going to have to
park somewhere and they only have one vehicle that will make
it. And then plus snowmobiles maybe.
Again, to me, these are all interesting choices.
So like, was there not another destination that could have
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given you similar vibes, but maybe that all of your vehicles
could have made it to so that you're not doing this fucking
thing that you've decided to do?I I just don't understand the
choices sometimes, but you know,that's just me.
I hate, I know, I hate to say itlike my inner producer is like,
is this just like you guys aren't making any choices and
productions like we're going to print you a cabin.
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We're getting to the cabin is going to be increasing like just
insanely difficult. Like because like, why would you
make these choices? I don't understand, it doesn't
make any sense. Well, for me, it was really just
like, OK, you're going to have to get everything into one
vehicle at some point in time and they're bringing so much
shit. There was so much stuff and all
the wives point out how Kody is having so much stress.
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That was the thing they were allconcerned about, Kody's stress.
Yes. And then they get to that moment
on the couch where they are. Is it?
It's Robyn. OK, yes, it is Robyn.
That Kody doesn't have the luxury of falling apart.
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He is the captain of this ship and he can't fall apart because
then what would happen to everyone around him?
He can't yell as storms coming. Storms are coming.
And we're all going to die, you know, he can't do that.
And so that was a really beautiful metaphor, I thought,
for their family unit. Moving.
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And that's about all I had to say about that.
Yeah. You know.
And then there's actual talk of a storm coming.
So it's funny with the captain of the ship and then literally
Janelle's like there's a storm coming.
Like we literally need to get there because we should be there
before the sun goes down. It's in the mountains, the
forest, there's no lights, it's pitch dark.
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There's an actual storm coming. There has been storms.
There are feet of snow. So let's just add that to their
complex. Again, these are choices we're
making, ladies and gents. Would I drive into the mountains
during a Blizzard or potentiallywhen 1 is about to start to be
stranded up there with all thesefucking yahoos?
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I would not. No.
Personally, but that's just me. You wouldn't.
So this is what I was talking about at the beginning, where in
the background there's an instrumental come All Ye
Faithful taking place. It's like, oh God, you know,
just whatever. And they're frantically shoving
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every last little piece of the planet into their vehicle.
Yes, yes. And it's just.
Like wrapped Christmas presents,it was in bag bag.
But this music in the back is like relaxing and slow and
motivational and whatever, and they're just all like bonkers
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everywhere. Like why are we playing this
when this is what's on the fucking TV show?
Like absolutely I another choicethat was made.
I love all these choices. It's just so great.
Hashtag choices Hashtag. Choices.
All of a sudden they're at the parking lot outside of the the
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cabin. They left at 2:00 PM.
They left at 2 PMI. Missed the OK, never mind, maybe
it wasn't all of a sudden. I thought it was all of a.
Sudden, that's pretty much the only thing I have to contribute
is that they left at 2:00 PM andthen, yes, they are at the and
then they were there. Now the reason that this is so
shocking is all of us people in the Sister Wives universe know
that they take a road trip and they document a road trip and
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that road trip is long and slow.So for them to all of a sudden
be at base camp. I think it was only a three hour
drive. I think that's part of the
reason. OK, there maybe wasn't as much.
So they probably made it in like8 or something.
So they're at the base, they're at the place where people can
park the base and all of a sudden they're there and they're
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at this parking lot area thing where you can leave your
vehicles, etcetera, etcetera to make the narrow and deep trek in
this single lane driveway. To five put of snow on either
side of you you know like yes you are driving through like a
snow cave basically to enter this everything about this is
stressful to me everything aboutthis is choices that I would not
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make yes and so all those. Kids around too, because there's
all this footage that happens while we're talking about these
milestones and the show going on.
There's all these little clips that bring everything together
and a lot of it is bags and boxes and groceries and children
and children and Christmas tree and totes and things and shit.
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Just so much stuff, things everywhere.
Like you couldn't even move I first and then cameras and then
cameras. And then camera crew in this
space, which is insane. The size of the place was not.
Yeah, as as Christine said, it was a cute cabin, but too small
for their family. Like for an she said for a
normal family it would be very cute.
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And I actually think it would beit.
It looked cute. Oh I'm sure, and it was a cute
location. Like, I totally get all of the
appeal of it short of going in in the Blizzard and all of that
with 20 people. But other than that, you know.
It's like they're arriving and it feels like the arrival is
kind of drawn out in a sense. And that's why I'm saying
there's so many cutaways to different hoarder moments.
Which was shocking and made me anxious.
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But then they show Kody going back with the Suburban 'cause
he's, when he arrives, like everyone has to wait and he has
to bring everything. The true.
Thing it feels like it was drawnout because it was drawn out
because it took him hours it. Took him hours all.
Of the humans and all of the belongings and all of the things
in there. Into the suburban and one-on-one
like only one trek from this base camp parking lot.
All they can take is the suburban back and forth.
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Yes, all of the kids, all of thethings, blah blah blah.
It They show a clip of Kody leaving the house to go back up
the driveway and the vehicle is sliding right and left.
Trailing, he's like, yeah, look how cool I am, look at my big
Dick, you know, like. You audibly scoffed, and I was
so happy. You were just like, Oh my, I'm
like, I know, 'cause it's like, yeah, that was on purpose.
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And that was so douchey and it was gross.
So douchey. It was not him trying to get
through the snow. It was him being like, look at
me, show off. It was disgusting.
Yeah. So there's this long drawn out
process of them getting all the things to the house.
They're showing the kids moving around, putting things, places,
yadda yadda yadda. They do do a flash to on the
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couch moment where Kody talks about making difficult decisions
and tough decisions for his family.
So this is this theme is in thisepisode and they're bringing it
back up. They're ramping.
Up. Tough decisions and the
challenging things. Janelle stayed with the kids at
one point because all of the adults were supposed to go get
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snowmobiles, and Kody referencesthat.
The snowmobile guy's been there all day waiting for us and now
it's dark. We got to go.
We got to go. Meri's like we got to go.
And then they showed Janelle being like, I stayed with the
kids and Logan went in my place.One of the few times she chooses
to stay at home with the kids. Yeah, yes, yeah, right.
I was like, oh, I have to go siton a snowmobile.
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I'll stay with the kids. As it turns.
Out. Yeah, yeah, Logan mentions that
it's -7° outside, so it they hadstorms and it's cold and you
know, and when it's below 0, everything's such a bitch.
I also noted that it is literally pitch black when
they're showing footage outside the cabin.
They're like, you know, oh, it'snot like there's no stop lights.
There's no overhead lights, there's no city lights, and it
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is black like it is dark. OK.
So Kody has a flair for the dramatics.
Yes, he does, right? And did you catch the line that
he said during the snowmobiling?No, what I wrote down is Kody is
way fucking dramatic about snowmobile rides to the cabin.
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Like, I don't know what he said.I was just like, I can't like,
you know, like I don't, I don't know what he said.
I was just like, I can't even. I can't even.
Well, OK, so part of the reason that this is funny is because
you, you know, we're mentioning that it is really dark out there
and OK, you are in a mountain with all of the snow or whatever
else. Now I remember.
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And so Kody goes you know, if you go right, you live, but if
you go left, you freeze to death.
Yes, yes, yes, yes. So couple of things about that
that are interesting. Now, I'm not saying it's not
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possibly true. Yep.
But you're taking all your wivesand your kid on the snowmobiles
in the middle of the night. Life and death.
Life and death mission? Yep, and that's fine.
I think everybody survived. So to ride some snowmobiles up
and down a driveway, Yeah, by the way, the driveway looked
perfectly fine for a snowmobile,totally like there.
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Was not this was not life and death clown.
This was ridiculous clown shoes and you know, just.
So stupid. What the fuck ever.
So dramatic. Add to the right, you can live
to the left you're going to freeze to.
Death. OK, It's like, OK, how about 5
feet of snow on both sides of you?
You would have to try to fail it.
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I mean, I can't. Oh God.
Anyway. I went out of control and veered
to the right and drove up the five foot embankment to my own
death. Or or alternative option, maybe
there were more dangerous things, but all we saw was 1
moment of a couple snow banks that were extremely tall.
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Yeah. And that's where everything
happened. So I.
So if there were actually dramatic points, production
should have included that. Something.
Oh, maybe we'll find out next episode in the morning.
In the morning, this is the roadin the light.
Of day we could see. How snowmobile?
Dangerous. You want to wax?
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What is it the like you're just getting?
Dumber. A little creepy.
Dumber and Dumber and Dumber well.
We're just like this family. Golly, OK, there was some more
bad Christmas music in the background of all of those
situations. Interesting.
Placements per. Yuge.
Back at the cabin. Back at the cabin.
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They're decorating the tree. That was cute.
There were some cute moments andeven one of them was a cut away
from I think outside where someone hung over.
AI don't know if it was a what Do grandma's make you a quilt?
Quilt family or something? It's a family on it that was
hanging from the railing and I was like, that was cute.
Even though it was crooked and looked, it was terrible, but it
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was cute, yes. And then they bring this tree
in. Now, mind you, there's like the
pathway through the horde that they're like bringing the tree
in and setting it up, which Amen, they're doing the
decorating. I think the first glimpse we get
to see is Mckelty with like a strand of something, some lights
or some popcorn on a string or something.
And she's looks like she's like barely able to function and
(47:03):
falling over. And there's other kids doing
everyone's trying to do. Some people are trying to just
be out of the way. Some people are just watching.
There's a lot going on, a lot ofpeople, a lot of stuff.
And a tree getting decorated. But there was, there was like a
good feeling about it. It was, yeah, I feel.
Like, it was good vibes. It was good vibes.
Totally. Yeah, totally.
(47:25):
And, you know, even as much shitas I give them for making these
choices, I think actually doing the decorating of the tree and
things like that, the fact that they weren't going to be home
over Christmas and having all ofthis with them will still make
it more like a normal Christmas.Like, it would probably be sad
if they didn't have a Christmas tree, you know?
Yeah, they were doing all this. So even as much as I wouldn't do
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the same as what they're doing right now.
Yeah, I get that. I guess you know, And Meri got
to bring her red, white and bluedecorations and her tots.
Oh good. Yeah, yeah.
Glad I missed that. Yeah.
So I did notice while they are decorating the tree that they
start doing some voiceover Ness and then they transition to our
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next scene on the couch. But while they're having a
little voiceover and showing thekids decorating the tree, they
play the theme song from their voice overs at the beginning of
the episode, their intro voice overs.
So when they're going through byMeri Janelle, Christine, Robyn
Kody, there's this sister wise music.
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But for this part where they were doing the tree, they added
a beat that had a suspenseful undertone.
So it was like, but it was Sister Wives song and I'm like,
oh God, like it's just leading up to this next part, which is
the end of the episode. And it made sense, but I was
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also like just being mindful of production.
I was like, Oh my God, they're taking the theme song and making
it creepy to lead into whatever this is, which is very short, I
guess. Kody on the couch getting
emotional supposedly. Did I believe it?
I don't know. I don't know.
But he gets misty eyed. He does his little, his pauses
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and his sentences that they've decided to move the family and
that only the four oldest kids know.
They show Logan, Leon, Maddie and Aspen and kind of leave it
on a, you know, cliffhanger. Note that they're moving the
family because of the investigation and that's all we
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know. Did he say anything to you that
stood out? Like do you remember any of the?
Things, he said. I mean, he just reiterated the
whole historical notion of if something were to happen, their
family would be broken up. That's right.
That was kind of just the Ness of it, right?
And so they had to figure out what to do, and this is what
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they've decided. Yeah, nothing crazy other than
that it was pretty brief. There was not a lot of fluff to
it or whatever. Yeah, he was.
It was interesting because physically, like the movements
in his face and things like that, it, it felt like it was
actual genuine emotion, but I just don't believe it.
I don't know. It was weird.
It was weird. They ended, though, with Robyn.
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Did you see what she said? OK, I don't know.
She's on the couch. It's kind of pans over to her
and she has this, her stupid, goofy smile.
And she said, we just decided, you know, that nobody can take
Christmas away from you. OK?
(50:46):
Thanks, Robyn. They're not going to take
Christmas away from you. Well, she's OK.
Well, you know, I guess that's what you would say.
It's the whole demeanor, it's her whole body language, the
face, it's the stupid. But we just decided nobody's
going to take Christmas away from you.
(51:08):
Yeah. Like, just all of her
ridiculousness. Yeah.
Together, It's. It's not necessarily the words.
She is an idiot. Yeah, she's an idiot.
That's an idiot. Yeah, we're left on this
cliffhanger of they're moving, they're going to be leaving and
that's that. So cool.
Thanks, Kody. Cool.
(51:30):
Cool, cool, really great. I'm excited.
Do we? Need to re evaluate all of our
life choices right? Now no, no, we need to re
evaluate all of Kody Brown's. Life choices, right that's right
actually, that is what we're doing you're right OK I I got it
flipped around that's. Amazing.
That's amazing. So mustard seed and shit stain.
(51:54):
Do you have a? Do you have an obvious one for
either one? If you have one, shout it out.
I'm going to give I'm going to give my shit stain to Kody Brown
because of that interaction withChristine where he thought she
should have all of the answers to all of the things.
(52:14):
And they didn't really have great examples of him
overreacting this episode like two people.
But they did have non speaking clips where his physicality was
way over the top. He's very, he adds chaos to it.
And that the fact that they try to give him props for being some
sort of great leader who, like, makes all these decisions and
(52:36):
then the entire episode is basically evidence that that's
not true, that he is not on top of things and he's not a good
planner and he's not a good executor.
And I also think there was a level of them making excuses,
like Even so what you're saying is right, there weren't like
crazy examples of what he was doing.
Like sometimes there are, but there was a lot of them
(52:59):
explaining that Kody's under so much stress.
And so it's been really hard. And so whatever like they were,
they were giving some validationto his craziness a little bit
right now actually, like quite often.
Agreed and felt so he gets my shit stain.
All right, well, if you're goingwith Kody, I'll go with Robyn.
Oh, wow. Shock, shock.
Really shocking, really shocking.
(53:20):
And why am I going with Robyn this time for putting that
fucking sharpie on those that ornament ribbon?
That was just if. If you needed to do something,
you should have tied a piece of paper with the message in the
ribbon you did not need to write.
Like a little gift. Tag like anything.
(53:42):
Come on man, you ruined them. Yeah, way to have an idea.
That came out mid and then you made it worse, you know?
Yeah, seriously. So that's that.
We'll go with that one. Yeah, fuck Robyn.
I I shouldn't say that so much. It's like a default.
Hey, I'm not telling you this. OK, so my mustard seed.
Mustard seed. Do you have a mustard seed?
(54:05):
You go ahead I I do but if if it's the same I can flex.
I'm going to give my mustard seed to Meri and you know, I'm
not going to go down those things.
I'm not going to repeat myself. Like I do every time.
We know, OK, I'm giving Meri my mustard seed because she puts up
the Christmas lights and I thinkshe does it out of obligation.
(54:29):
I think she does it because she wants to do it and I think she
knows she'll do it right and that even when things are messed
up, she will correct them. She won't just leave them wrong
for all of eternity. And I like I've always liked
that about Meri that she's like a go getter and she's a getter
done or done or she is great in that way.
So even though I'm going to needto be seeing a doctor
(54:52):
immediately after this for giving her another mustard seed,
my God, the number of mustard seeds I've given Meri am IA Meri
fan. I I feel like you still haven't
come to terms with it, but I think it is.
But I'm giving it to Meri and I'll have to seek counsel on
this. But yes.
Well, I think that all makes sense.
And to kind of piggyback a little bit, I'm going to give
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mine to Leon. And it is for saying that what
Meri said was sexist and that girls can do anything boys can
do. Thank you very much, Leon.
Yeah. A message received.
While their mom was literally doing the job that she was
saying boys should do. Correct.
Applause all around, correct? Well, Meri and Leon get a
mustard seed in the same episode.
(55:37):
I know. How sweet.
I mean, if you're doing if one, one day when this is on a
Wikipedia page, there's going tobe some sort of different
color-coded thing where it's like, oh, a mother and child got
mustard seed in the same episodehere.
Yeah, there's probably some weird statistics we can pull
out, right? Yeah, someone could do a
something a form like. You know, kind of how, like,
(55:57):
there's all of these, like, baseball stats.
Yeah. Like, when did that become a
stat? Like they just have all these
crazy fucking numbers they pull out of nowhere.
I don't believe it. You know our keep sweet moment
this week is a Spotify comment from Aunt Carrie.
Aunt Carrie 11 actually aunt Carrie 11.
Aunt Carrie says love love love this pod.
(56:20):
It fills up my sister wives bankaccount of love while the show
is on a break. Isn't that great?
That's really great. Bank account of love.
That's really so that's our goalis to fill people's bank
accounts of love. Also, I was doing the trophy
again. Yes, you were.
(56:41):
You were doing the shake way. Motion.
On Carrie Ali just did the shakeweight for you.
You're. Welcome.
And thank you, thank you, thank you for the for the great
comment and thank you everyone for five star reviews, for
plugging us, for sharing us, fortalking about us with anyone you
know who who watches this show, which is which may be no one
because we didn't know and we don't know we're.
(57:03):
Not necessarily like encouragingnew people to start watching it.
That's not necessarily our goal.To listen to our show.
Misery, yes, with those that have sadly fallen into the same
rabbit hole that we did. And so we do want more people to
listen to us, Yes, but we're notsaying you have to watch Sister
Wives because that's, we would not force that on anyone.
(57:26):
I just had a conversation this week with a good friend and I
was like filling him in about the show and he's like oh so
sister wives. And I'm like don't start.
Like don't do it. It's really not worth it.
But if you want to listen to ourshow you should.
But don't. Watch the show.
All right, everyone, we will seeyou soon to continue Season 2.
We've got some big things happening with the Brown family.
(57:46):
Apparently they're moving. We don't know what was the what
was the title of this episode again?
The Brown family decision. The Brown family decision, so we
know that there's a decision that has been made potentially.
No, we do know at the very end they confirm they are moving.
Out of state, yes. OK, so they are.
Moving out of state. Out of state, and we know that
(58:07):
we. Know that's happening and we
know where they end up, but I don't remember what happens in
between. So I'm actually kind of excited
to refresh my memory as to how this train wreck starts.
In the next episode, they're still up at the cabin out in the
middle of nowhere, so we get some fun cabin moments.
Great. It's going to be great.
(58:27):
Can't wait. All right, everyone, sleep time.
Wait, 'cause you go to bed rightnow?
I was going to say, like, don't let the bed bugs bite.
Yeah, I don't like to say, you know what?
Bye. Adios.
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