Sister Wives S2 E8 - Sister Wives in Holiday Crisis - My Sister Wives Podcast

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Hello world, welcome to my Sister Wives podcast.
I'm Chris. And I'm Allie, we're long time
friends who had no idea we were both watching the TLC trainwreck
reality show Sister Wives. Join us as we rewatch Sister
Wives, maybe have a drink or two, and share what useless
information and insights we can provide.
Listen to us two deadbeat losersjudge the Brown family.

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That's us all right. See you on the.
Flip side. Let me call.
You, sweetheart, I'm in love with you.
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.

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Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
Sweetie, Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love
you. Sister wives season 2 episode 8

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sister wives and holiday crisis.Not Christmas crisis, but
holiday crisis. Interesting choice of words,
right? Well, I thought it was Christmas
time, but apparently it's the holidays.
Wow. Well, this episode starts with a
bit of a heavy intro. Like all of a sudden we're

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seeing like crying children and just like Dun Dun, Dun, things
are heavy. And that was a bit much.
The intro before the, I mean, the coming up on portion of the
show, they just seemed really heavy.
Like the kids were crying and itseemed like, Oh my gosh, like
this is the heaviest intro that we've seen thus far.

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Like we were about to get into something.
Absolutely. And then when they're showing
the family, so the episode starts, yes, and then they're
showing the family and the background music is Jingle all
the way. Did you?
I mean, of course you talked about this the last episode.
It was like the Christmas music.Yes, I I heard it when it

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happened and some other really good ones as the episode goes
along with their music choices. It was really great.
But yeah, they just are all kindof in this cabin in the woods,
right in the mountains, snowy mountains.
Yeah, maybe. Yeah, and how are they doing,
honey? How are they?
Feeling I'll I'll tell you what we heard pretty much immediately

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and for maybe it felt like a 5 minute segment.
It was nowhere near that long, but coughing and coughing and
coughing and more coughing and coughing, more coughing and Kody
saying everyone's just feeling really sick right now and like
this is their family time, secluded together in very

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confined spaces in the mountains.
It was, it was funny because it does.
The episode just starts and thenthey're like coughing, coughing,
coughing. And obviously after they show
like the third or fourth person coughing, you're like, OK, I got
it. But then they continue on.
It's literally like a dozen people coughing in a row.
So we get it, everyone's sick. Everyone's sick at the cabin,

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but that's not going to change their spirits.
Their spirits are not sick. It is Christmas, damn it.
They are going to have good spirits.
It did not seem to slow them down.
No it. Didn't, and I do appreciate it
because you know, it is one of those things like with being
sick, if you're all together in this place and you know it's
going to be, it's like if you'renot already sick, you're
probably going to get sick. So here we go.
And it is what it is. Like, are you going to leave or

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are you going to stay? And like, clearly no one's
leaving because it took an act of Congress to get them there.
An act of Congress? No, that would have taken way
longer. Right.
Yeah, you're right. They're still waiting on FEMA,
which, you know, the defunding and all of that.
So like, you know, they're stillup there, Still up there.
Season 20 resumes. Yes, with the Browns living in

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this shithole in the mountain. No, it's not a shithole.
It's a cute cabin, just not for the amount of people that they
have crammed into it. How are they sleeping by the
way? We have not seen a single
sleeping quarter in said cabin. True.
What do we think that looks like?
Well, our men, 12 of them in therow on the floor.

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I know they, I feel like at one point they do show something
with people in a room in that sense, but I can't tell you no.
Like I couldn't tell you. It just seemed like there was a
room with a lot of people and perhaps beds, but maybe I'm
making that up even it is a lot.Of people and I want to know.
Well, and this is it. And the little investigator

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emoji is coming out being like, where's everybody staying in
this house? 21 people are sleeping in this
house, right? I mean, crew is obviously not
sleeping there. So wherever they're sleeping, I
wonder if that's for some of thefamily sleeping.
I wonder. I wonder all questions.
All questions we still have and do not have answers to.
Yes, but they do cut pretty quickly to being outdoors and

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it's so fun. There is so much snow outside.
Like we talked about in our lastepisode, they had storms on the
way and the storms before, so there was all this snow
everywhere. There's all these banks of snow
and the kids are playing and they're in their snow suits and
their snow pants and their whatever, and it was so cute.
It was so cute. They were like flying down these
this driveway into like snow banks and stuff.

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Like it was just. Yes, sledding, they were.
Sorry, sledding. Yes.
No 'cause they were flying. Flying.
They were flying down the driveway, but they were in
sleds. A lot of things were happening
it. Was yes.
Not all of them were in sleds. Maybe only some of them were.
Yeah, yeah. Some of them were flying.
Yep, Yep. Yeah, absolutely.
The kids are having fun outside.It was.

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Adorable. It was great time, looked like
super good family vacation. Can't imagine all of those wet
snow clothes going into that house and any of them being dry
the entire weekend at all. Like cannot fathom.
You would need separate quartersfor the clothing to just go and
dry it's. Not it's going to be like just
at your feet probably, yeah. So yeah.

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Well. Anyway, this is where we let the
clothes dry instinct for our trip, like, Oh my God, so many
kids, so many clothes. They do cut to a moment where
they're talking about the investigation.
So once again, with the recent episodes, we've seen this
investigation narrative weaved into the story and this episode,

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it's more intense. We're going to learn more
things, but they start out by divulging something that I don't
know if we heard before was thatfour weeks ago is when they
found out when the investigationwas.
Now I don't know if we were actually tracking the weeks on
the show or they were giving us any real amount of time that it
didn't seem like it was an extended period.
But it was interesting to hear that it's probably been a month

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since they found out the investigation is happening in
the paper and since then have heard the official news about
the investigation being handed over to the County Attorney,
right? So this is quite a bit to have
happened in the last month, especially given that we know
that they've already made these choices now that they discussed
in the last at the end of the last episode to move out of the

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state. And Janelle basically restates
that in this talking head momentof and on a couch moment saying
that they are moving out of the state.
You know, I didn't register actually the one month since
they found out about the investigation, but I did try to
pinpoint the time. They said it was four months

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since they'd gone public. So I guess now that you're
saying that one month, so then there was maybe 3 months that
they were back at home living their normal everyday until this
kind of came in and maybe some of the paparazzi and stuff was
like filtering in in that time frame.
And then now, yeah, they're getting the investigation stuff

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worked out. So really over that time frame
is when it all kind of like snowballed.
I guess it this is all been justnot a very this is what we were
kind of alluding to earlier was like it hasn't been that long in
time really even since season 1 began.
Yes. And we are here right now like

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what do we think that actual timeframe less than one year?
Right, Because if we're talking about, let's say, less than half
a year between going public and where we are today, that means
that they had to basically startfilming and TLC slash the
production slash whoever was probably like greenlit, let's
go, let's start filming immediately after the first

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season was done. So yeah, I don't imagine there's
much of a break at all. I could see it being pretty much
immediate. And they are pretty light on the
timeline. And this is the only reason that
I bring it up is because they specifically said, like, this is
when we read about it in the paper was like a month ago.
And I'm like, OK, so I don't remember hearing anything about
the newspaper before. We just keep every time they

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talk about it, they give us a little little more things.
And do they make sense? Who knows?
Little more things. You know I'm sounding like Robyn
over here then. They still, I think, on the
couch moment, say about the well, historically, Yep, you
know. Historically, they jump back
into Christine's grandpa going to jail.
Yeah, and all of his wives. Again.
And interestingly enough, they don't bring up that her

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grandfather, the head of the AUB, was also murdered,
murdered, murdered. Now the reason I'm bringing this
up oh, oh, oh, oh. Now if you can see here right
now it. Hurts already.
She's doing the like, oh on the forehead thing, like rubbing
her. Head.
We're not going to go into this rabbit hole right now because

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I'm currently looking. Into this.
After our last episode came out someone commented on Spotify and
said isn't it funny that they always talk about Christine's
grandpa going to jail but they never talk about him being
murdered? And I'm like what?
So I am currently investigating this.
And was this person murdered by someone else in Christine's
family tree? To be determined, stop it to be

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determined. Stop it to be determined.
So this family loves to give us all their story, their reality.
This is the reality. They leave out so much stuff.
That's a pretty significant, if you're going to talk incessantly
about what happened historicallyto your grandfather, Yeah, that

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is an interesting piece to leaveout.
Or maybe we just don't bring up the grandfather at all for not
only that, but probably a lot ofother reasons I think as we've
we've heard a little bit about here and there too.
And you know, this is, I'm not allegedly, allegedly, the legal
department has told me this is all you can say right now.

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And so this is all I can say right now, but shocking,
shocking. But I can confirm that
Christine's grandfather, who we always talk about going to jail,
was also murdered. So that's something that has not
been brought up on this show, but I can confirm that that is
true. OK.
Well, yes, moving on. Moving on to a lighter subject

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to the teenagers on the couch. Oh my gosh.
So on the couch we have. And I think last time when I
said the names of the kids, I might have, I don't know who I
included in our previous episode, but the teenagers, the
older kids that know about the move at this point before this
Christmas trip are Logan, Leon, Maddie, Aspen and Hunter.

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And they are sitting on the couch for their interview
moments and the mood is so very somber.
Oh, I just feel for these kids right now.
Yeah, it's I, I actually didn't note any of their specific
things that they said in this couch moment because I was
really just in it like I was listening to them.

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And they're starting to share things about how they are upset
and they are. They're not happy, they're
frustrated and they're sad. And we'll get into some more of
the details throughout the episode because they come back,
as we know they do with this show we will come back to.
This. We'll be back with the kids on
the couch, the teenagers on the couch multiple times, so we'll
get into that. But then they cut to once again.

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Wait, wait, 'cause I do know what they said.
Oh, you do know? Oh.
OK, so these OK, so Ali was paying attention.
Well, Maddie actually said no, absolutely not.
There's nothing you can do to make me go.
Like, I am not going. She was defiant.
Like, I absolutely will not go, Leon said.

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They cried and we're just reallyupset.
One of the things that they wereall really concerned about was
the fact that it was such a short amount of time,
apparently. So I guess we still don't know.
I think the only thing we're aware of it this time is that
they're saying it's a short amount of time for when they
would be moving. I don't know if we know that

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that means weeks or months or maybe did they?
I don't think they said so, but the kids are worried about that,
that it's a short amount of timefor them to just have to like
come to terms with the fact thattheir whole lives are changing.
And so they were not happy aboutit at all, at all.
This is a moment that they used an excellent, excellent

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soundtrack behind the kids as they were sitting there and then
like transitioning into the nextmoment.
And it was like a light folky, kind of like a little heavy, but
some moments of hope and glimmer.
It was just like, I actually applauded.
And it was not a Christmas song.It was not a Christmas song.
It was just a well played song choice.

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They don't do that a lot. So I just wanted to to give them
a moment. Yes, praise in that.
Sense yeah we got to give them their flowers for one good song
choice thus far I. Was like, I like this.
Do I know what this is? I don't know if I know what
that, but I like this. Yeah, and it fit the mood and it
wasn't ridiculous. It worked, it worked.
It's all I'm. Saying they cut to the kids

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getting into the hot tub at the cabin.
I wanted you to say back at the.Cab.
Oh yeah. OK, back at the cabin, Look at
the lodge where they're. Yeah, no, I'm not.
It's. Not a lodge.
I know. What am I talking about?
No, that's crazy. That is crazy.
Cabin. Back at the cabin, back at the
cabin, the kids are getting in the hot tub and they're kind of

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doing the whole like what we want to do and we're going to do
it. And they're like figuring it
out. And I don't know if Janelle, I
think Janelle's out there being like, well, well, this isn't OK.
Maddie's like it's like 6 feet from the door.
Like we're not going to freeze. We're not.
We're going to be fine, blah, blah, blah.
And the kids are having fun getting in the hot tub.
Like I think Gabriel comes running out in a swimsuit at one
point, like from around a corner.
And it was like totally like a little boy in a swimsuit being

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like. Like.
Running through the room. Mass chaos, but like the most
fun kind. I think that as there were like
these moments of concern and stuff, they were all trying to
speak to each other. But as it is in hot tubs, and
then I don't even know what it'slike, like, outdoors in the
mountains like that, if there's like, wind and stuff.
But they couldn't hear each other well.

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So they're all just, like, screaming.
Yeah, They're just, like, yelling at each other.
Like, I can't hear you. Yes.
And kids running in and out, darting, throwing these, like,
big ass chunks of snow into the hot tub, like.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, my gosh, It was cute.
It looked like. That's a total fun family,
family moment. Yeah, and it was great that the

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cabin actually had this. So talking about it actually
being a destination you'd want to go to, yeah, maybe not with
20 other people, but the back deck had this hot tub literally
feet away from a sliding door. And the view was actually
amazing. There was like all of these pine
trees on mountainsides. And I was like, yeah, that's
like, if I was there, I would belike, selfie, selfie, selfie.

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Like, look where we are. Like just.
The right amount of fog, You know, like just the right amount
of fog, yeah. It was very picturesque in the
moment, and you know that reallythere's probably very few times
that it's not good looking like it looks good, yeah.
So totally worth it. They're jam packed sardine

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living quarters at the moment, but it it's gorgeous.
It's gorgeous. And they were going to go to our
patriarch. I was going to say I was.
I think the next moment it's like just classic, very classic.
What would happen right now? Yeah.
I believe Kody says, quote, I'm going to go knock some snow off

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the roof, UN quote. So that was Kody, the patriarch
of our family. And then we get to see footage
of him all bundled up literally trying to knock ice bridges.
I don't know what is, is there aterm for that ice dam off of
multiple? Well, at least one pitch like a
roof and there's like a Gable ora whatever, a second story

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window. And so he's up on the roof of
the first floor trying to knock this ice dam off the 2nd floor
window out of a Gable. Is it a Gable?
What is that called? I think a Gable works.
Yeah, there's another term for it and I wish I could remember
what it is. This is driving me nuts because
I love. Architecture, ladies and
gentlemen, listeners, please tell us the what the word is

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that we're looking for. I wish Dormer.
I wish it's a dormer. It's.
A dormer. But it's like a Gable mix meets
a dormer. OK, that's fine.
Yes. I'm glad we worked through it.
I'm sorry you guys. Yeah.
I just hate listening to people describe buildings and be
completely wrong. Like use completely wrong.
Well. At least to acknowledge that you
were not certain on the. Term.
I'm not even sure that I'm. Right now you were very

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transparent. Thank you.
Thank you. I can see right through you.
So that's. Good.
Yes, yes. So Kody's up on the roof in like
on the snow covered home, like knocking the ice stem trying to
knock and it's like a. Tin roof, you guys, it's like a

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tin roof. It's not like a shingled roof.
It's tin. That's a little precarious, too.
Yeah, absolutely. And of course, Janelle is
outside trying to be like, hey, you know, like, I'm not sure if
you should stand directly under it.
And he's like, no, I know what I'm doing.
And then they cut to him moving out from directly underneath it
and it's like, there you go, like, Oh my God.
But then he still hit it and then it chunk of snow fell on

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his head, which was so funny. It was a great moment, like
there was a pause. I think right before the snow
fell on his head, it was right after you had just quoted
something he said as well. But then he goes, don't worry,
I'm not going to do anything toostupid.
Yes, snow on head, right. Like I'm not going to do
anything too stupid. Snow on head.

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That's exactly what happened. Oh my God, you just can't make
this shit. Up.
It was so good. Oh, I wrote that.
Oops. Oops.
Snow on his head. Oops.
Snow on the head and it's hysterical.
So as he's walking across this, working his way from the right
side to the left side of this second floor Gable, knocking the

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ice dam and the snow and the whatnot off of it, he does get
to the other side, to the left side and hits and this big chunk
falls down like 2/3 of this 8 foot wall of snow and ice falls.
And it's funny because it makes a thud.
And I was a little like, Oh my God.
Like I would have like, did I fuck up the roof?
Right, totally it was that couldbe a concern.
It was what could. Happen big thud on the 1st

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floor, like awning basically. And then your camera zooms in
because like his head pops up, but it's Hunter in the room of
where the Gable is and he doesn't have a shirt on.
And he's like looking around like what the Hell's going on?
And I was like, I wonder if he'seither in the bathroom or if
that's a bedroom where he's getting in or out from the hot
tub, like where they were. I was trying to think if the hot

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tub was inside that window too and I.
Don't know if the hot tub was onthe back of the house.
I was thinking he was like changing or in the bath that
could have been an actual bathroom.
But it was like, Oh my gosh, there's this like preteen boy,
like shirtless, like laughing out the window being like, what
the hell is going on? I think the window even like
opened and closed. Yeah, he.
Closed like it was open and thenhe closed it.

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It must have like, alarmed him that like, oh, there's like
people here doing things. It was so fun.
It's like, yes, very unexpected at that moment for him, I'm
sure. Because what would you think?
You'd look up and see this happening anyway?
And then but actually what he knocked down was super
satisfying. Like it was a good result.
I'm like, damn it, like. I know I still.

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Wouldn't have done it if I was renting the fucking cabin, but
like, yeah it did have. An but you know, it was an
opportunity for Kody to put on some gloves and be like, look at
me, I'm Mr. Mann, I'm doing things around the property.
He takes several of those opportunities.
That's not not just Mr. Mann doing things, just Mr. I am the

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man. Oh, I am.
That's that's what he. The Timu Rex Manning, that's who
he is. The Timu Rex Manning, that's who
he is. So going back to the sledding or
AKA flying down the driveway, the there's this crazy incline
of the driveway coming towards the cabin like pretty much
directly at it. And then there is a an

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embankment in front of the building and it looks like
perhaps like a plow just like pushed all the snow up there it
really. Does look like that and I was
confused, but I guess to some extent they were out of space.
Yeah, it looks like there was probably another space to the
side like the the truck went to the left and then backed up and
then went straight or whatever. So there's this slight
embankment or I don't know, fouror five feet, like a large

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enough embankment. There, it was high.
It was like a big chunk of snow,a big mound of snow in front of
the house. And the kids are sledding down
it. And then they start talking
about the adults. And Kody is the first adult who
slides down because he's all like, we're going to build this
up so that you can slide up and not go over it.
And I'm going to show you how great it is.
And he slid down and his sled went, no, didn't go up the

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embankment at all. It like stopped.
And then he was just like, on his shoulders, like leaning
back, looking back at the camera, like, Yep, well, we've
got more to do and it looks silly.
I don't even have a thing to say.
Yeah, we don't need to talk about that it.
Was just like come on dude, like.

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He was, yeah. It was definitely a nomination
for a shit stain moment right there, that's for sure.
Pre noting Pre noting the nomination.
But now, however, while this horrible moment in history was
happening, I was, I was laughingout loud because it was funny to
see him stuck in this awkward position and he thinks he's so
cool and it's like, you are sucha douche canoe right now and

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it's so good to see it captured on film.
I love moments like that. Well, he gives it to him, He
gives it to him, He gives it to us often.
He gives it to him and he gives it to us.
It could work both ways. He gives it to everybody often.
He's a patriarch. He's so generous.
Yeah. Very generous.
Giving, Yeah. I appreciate that about him.

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They show Robyn going on the slide.
Handle this. Oh my God, I just.
Tell us about Robyn on the slide.
I have like secondhand embarrassment about this whole
scenario. She also was terrible.
Didn't she just kind of go straight up and then like.
Her whole her, I think the voiceover was maybe Kody while she

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was going down and she's like, and he said something like,
well, we were trying to slow ourselves down so we didn't go
crazy. Robyn was slowing herself down
to the point where like her sledhit the incline and it just
stopped. Like she didn't even go up it at
all. Oh, she didn't go up.
Oh, Meri, Meri. Meri.
Meri. Meri's a daredevil.
Yeah, Meri, She's crazy, but Robyn literally like slowed

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herself down with her hands, like dragging her hands behind
the sled so slow that it didn't even go up the embankment.
And it was like, what was even the point of?
That those were the two worst moments of the show, I think was
Kody sledding and Robyn sledding.
Like those were, yeah, terrible.They weren't.
They didn't have as much skill as their ice blocking from our

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previous episode. Well.
No, Kody, that's where. Oh.
Kody came from. It's interesting.
Yeah, that you would. There was no.
Oh, Kody with the sledding. However, there was a threesome
on the sled. Oh my.
There was with was it Meri and then Kody and then Robyn.

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I didn't happen to see this threesome.
It happened. Oh wow.
And it was, as you would picture, completely terrible and
ridiculous and embarrassing. Absolutely.
And that's all I have to say about that too, OK.
Yeah, sounds like they had a great adventure.
Robyn is lame, period. But Meri is crazy.

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OK, this is great. This was so great.
According to Robyn, Meri's crazy.
And then Meri does this. Her response to Robyn at one
point is, like, flooding isn't that crazy?
Like, it's just like, like, she's like, feeling kind of like
badass about it. Like, oh.

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God, there's got to be a term for what that's culinary, does
that where it's like, you know. Gosh, she's like, I know I'm
this shit, but you can stop talking about how I'm this shit
because it's not that big of a deal and she knows it's a big
deal, a big deal, big deal. So hysterical.

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Yep. And what happens with Meri when
she's sledding, Honey? Well, I just, I can't because
it's so funny. Oh my God.
OK. So I remember seeing, OK, so
they had built the ramp up over this hill a little bit because
they had all failed so miserablyat the beginning.

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They are working on this hill all day, right?
So they start to get the ramp built up and it still doesn't
help. Meri goes down.
Like a bat out of hell. Bat out of hell.
She's crazy and she flies well, she doesn't fly.
She. Goes up the embankment and over

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and then. Tips over but it was compared to
everybody else she flew over that hill OK, but I do think her
body lifted off the sled a little bit when she went over
the hill I'm not saying the sledflew over there I'm saying that
she. Came up?
Yeah, She bucked off the sled a bit.
She bucked, she did, but as she landed behind the hill, she goes

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beat. That yes, yes, yes, well, they
they cut to in the kitchen, the footage from in the kitchen with
her body and the sled like coming down the side.
And then there's like the kitchen window and I know Hunter
was in the kitchen and a couple other people and it's like, was
that Meri? Oh my gosh, and they used this
clip. You are just they use this clip

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so many times in this episode and like coming next and like,
you know, in that intro of the episode was like Meri sliding
into the building. Oh my God, Meri on the slide and
all they're like, did she hit the house?
I think that was Maddie. Did she hit the house?
No. And if she did, she gave it a
love tap. All she did is give it a love
tap. So she goes over this snow pile,

(28:10):
she bucks it, and then comes back down and the music boom,
boom, boom, and you'd think she just drove her car into a brick
wall, but no, she says no big deal.
No big deal. Nothing happened.
She. Was fine.
Not a bruise, not a scratch, nota thing.
Everything's fine. She did have to be pulled out,
though. She couldn't just climb up by

(28:32):
her. Yeah, Kody has to climb down and
pull her out. So we do have to describe where
she ends up. She does end up like lodge next
to the house cuz the embankment is right next to the house.
So she's like it's cool, I'm good, but she's also sick.
So she's like yeah, that's right, I got it.
Yeah. She has like no voice.
My God. Yeah, that's right.
The beat that like the way ice cream.

(28:53):
Beat that. It's like, yeah.
It's not. The way I said before, not gonna
see it from your Mama like. What the?
Fuck is going on lady, but literally she is wedged between
the house and the snow bank being like it's all cool,
nothing even happened, nothing to see here.
I'm cool, everything's fine. I'm married, I'm cool, and
someone has to help her up. And it's all Much Ado about

(29:16):
nothing. But production definitely made
it seem like you're never going to believe who survives this
incident. And it's like, OK, you know, But
it was one of those classic moments where it's like, oh,
Meri. And it's like, OK, Like, really,
it's just Meri, like sledding. I don't even think I thought it
was that funny when we were watching the episode.
I just as I was trying to describe it, it was like this.

(29:39):
It's so. Stupid.
Yeah, it is stupid. That's The thing is like, it's
not that funny when you're watching it.
It's like OK, this was like actually stupid and overblown
for. The reason totally was but.
But when you think about, you know, it probably means
something to someone, so it means something to us.
Well, sure did me. I got a good chuckle out of it.
It was great. Back to the kids on the couch.

(30:02):
Oh, this is where it's like, oh God, the laughter.
Turns out your laughter's going to turn to tears pretty soon.
I don't like it. This is it.
So just, you know, the theater thing, you've got the laughing
face and then the sad face. So yeah, the kids are talking
about potentially being split up, how their dad could go to
jail. And for me as a viewer, this was

(30:23):
the first time where it feels real about this investigation.
Hearing about it from the teenagers was the first time
that I was like, oh, God. And I had a moment of like, oh,
shit. We've been making it sound like
it's like, no big deal. But really, we know they haven't
given us much detail. We don't need to defend
ourselves. But this was the first time
where I was like oh fuck, Like shit.

(30:46):
I understand exactly what you mean, but I also think just as
you were saying that it, it kindof clicked.
Like we are skeptical of sometimes what the parents say
because we don't know how they could be sensationalizing things

(31:07):
or like why they give what information they do and then
keep things back. Like, we don't know all of that
about them with kids, we don't, at least at this point.
And I don't even remember maybe towards like the most recent
years, do we feel like the kids,older kids maybe create things
as they choose to. But right now, no, definitely

(31:29):
not. They're just being themselves.
And So what they're saying rightnow is just all real and fair
and true and like, honest and yeah, really, really shitty.
Yeah, that I didn't connect those dots.
And that's a really excellent point that I'm not suspicious
while watching them. I don't think like, what are
they trying to? What's their angle?

(31:50):
They're just sharing. And it was a real share.
And it was like, oh God, that got me in the fields.
OK, sounds good. So then it's like, brush that
off. Well, then one of the things
Maddie said that was like, shoot, because at this point,
these kids have experienced so little in their life and so much

(32:11):
of it is in the exact place theyare right now.
Like she said, all we know is what we're leaving behind.
Like that's all we know in our life is this.
And we're just leaving that. Like we're just leaving that.
I've always been a person that'sso tied to homes that for me it
would be like, Oh my God, like ripping you out of your like,

(32:33):
that's just right. It's awful.
And I just feel so bad for thesekids and the different levels in
which they have been comfortablewhere they're at.
So it's such a big like. Yeah.
Even with the uncomfortableness of all the scary things that are
happening, it still is terrifying for them to make this
choice. It's not obvious enough to be
like, well, it is what we have to do.

(32:55):
There's no choice. We have to do.
You know, that's not where they're at.
It doesn't seem like. Yeah, it is multi layered given
the circumstances of the investigation and how anyone
would be weirded out by that. Everyone, I mean people would be
freaked out. People would be like, yeah,
let's move as a result if we're going to be felons or something
like that. But yes, when you're a teenager,

(33:15):
and particularly in their culture, in their cult, in their
life, whatever, they have a verylimited bubble in certain
aspects. But then also Kody, they talk
about how they don't. So who knows?
But it's just there's the tight teenage dynamic of change being
even more dramatic. 100% but total sidetrack and weird point

(33:37):
slash question. I don't know what I'm even
saying here. Yeah.
So this investigation, right, just because they move, whatever
happens from this investigation doesn't just disappear because
they don't live there anymore, right?
From what I understand, felony investigations in order if you

(34:00):
were in a different state, you have to be extradited or
something like that. Like if they find you, they want
to go after you, whatever. States usually have to pay for
it. Now, felonies are, I think on a
federal level as far as observation.
So another state would probably say, yes, we will help extricate
this person or you, whatever. But ultimately the state that
wants that to happen has to pay for it.

(34:22):
So usually or one of the things that happens with people that
are felons or are in some circumstance, if they're across
state lines, that does help in the sense that off there's
another step to get them, quote UN quote.
But yeah, like you can be a you're a felon.
But like, are they going to ignore a subpoena, Right.

(34:42):
Yeah. Are they going to just like be
on national television in a different state and being called
to the other state for court to blah, blah, blah?
Like, I don't know. I'm just being like.
That's a great question. I I wonder because I think that
maybe so there's some things that we find out in just a bit

(35:04):
here about people's thoughts, feelings and opinions about
moving. And it seems like there's some
some differences and some of it about the necessity and the time
frame in which it has to happen.And I guess I just wondered
like, yeah, moving doesn't just make all that go away.
No, it does not. So just got the wheels a turn.

(35:27):
It just got the wheels a turn and the.
Wheels are turning for good reason, and the wheels are
turning for good reason. We will talk about later in this
episode Kody's enthusiasm, perhaps for leaving.
Right, there's some. There's other things going on
here. There's yes.
Not as all as it seems. This is this is it.
So anyway. Back at the cabin.

(35:49):
So lame. It just makes me chocolate.
I love it so much. It's Christmas Eve dinner.
Oh, it's beautiful. It's a lot of people, Yep.
All working in that kitchen. Celebrating this holiday?
Yeah, as one. They do note that the kitchen is

(36:09):
too small and it is, I mean interestingly enough for the
size of the cabin in today's dayand age, they would have pulled
that out and done something different, like they would have
remodeled it between now and then.
But it was a bit of like one of those kind of apartment ish
looking kitchens and it was too small.
But the wives were in good spirits when talking about it.

(36:30):
Like they were like, oh, the yes, we're all we're a kid in
this kitchen. And you know, it's it's totally
fine. And Robyn has to be the first
one to say something that counters that.
What a shock. And she says that she felt it
was Meri and Christine's kitchen.
Yes, she did. I think, I don't know, like she
said it and then was like that doing that whole like I'm

(36:51):
apologetic, but not really apologetic.
Like I don't know, like whateverand Christine like no, you need
to speak up if you feel whatever.
And to me it was just like in one ear and out the other.
I didn't even care. But Meri says we all knew it was
Christine's kitchen and it's OK.And there was a joke about that,
right? And so I do think that the, my

(37:12):
guess is that the real dynamics were Christine and Meri
primarily doing things in the kitchen.
Meri probably letting Christine run with it because Christine
really does love doing that shit.
And Meri, I can see Meri even defaulting to like, I'm going to
get shit out of the way or I'm going to move things like.
Supporting actress right? Playing the supporting because

(37:32):
she knows how to work in the kitchen.
Yes, well, yes. And I, I assume that she was
probably just letting Christine have her holiday fun time with
the stuff, taking the supportingactress role.
Janelle's over on the side looking in whatever direction
she's looking in to avoid the entire situation.
And then there's Robyn. So, you know, I think that it

(37:54):
makes sense that Robyn might feel out of place in the
dynamic. I don't know.
They just seem to have this overoverall joking approach to it.
But yet the underlying thing is tension.
Listen, OK. School me about the kitchen.
OK, so one of the things you yousaid it but that Christine said

(38:19):
that Robyn should assert herselfmore, right?
So Christine says this, OK, and that's fine and dandy, but who
is going to be super comfortabletrying to do that, right?
Like it's not that easy to just be like, I want to cook too and
jump in right? Like it's.
In your direction kind. Of it's.
It is. So that's just kind of like a
throwaway statement. But after Meri made the joke

(38:42):
about we all know it was Christine's kitchen.
Yeah. Christine says.
Oh no, I really, I really didn'tmean to dominate like she was.
And not like she was like super like offended or hurt by it, but
she was just like, well, I didn't really mean to dominate
like it was just a thing or whatever.
And Meri goes, Oh my God, you weren't.

(39:03):
No, it was kind of that joking manner.
No, my God, you were not. And Robyn goes, I know.
So Meri's take was you weren't dominating, and Robyn's take
was, I know you didn't try to. Yeah.
Plain as day. Plain as day.
That's what happened. And so Robyn did.

(39:24):
That's how she felt. Now, I don't know if you saw
this big ass beautiful Turkey that they pulled out of that
oven. Big fucking beautiful Turkey.
I would like to ask you for someexamples of food that you have
seen Robyn prepare. OK.

(39:45):
There are maybe some specifics, but I'd like to answer with most
common ingredients like Kraft slices.
Oh. My God, I'm going to die.
Little Debbie treats as the base, like you squish it down
and put something else on top ofit.
And ketchup. I was going to say noodles,

(40:08):
marinara and cheese. Oh, that's right.
Yes, Yes. Well, there's and I, I, you
know, I didn't want to give awayany of her recipes.
I just wanted to let every Yes, I want Robyn's cookbook.
Oh, that's a junk journal you want to avoid.
Is Robyn's cookbook. The Manifestation is really
killing it right now. Kraft singles, ketchup and

(40:28):
Little Debbie treats. Robyn knows that Christine
didn't mean to dominate, so thatwas really nice.
Beautiful. What's what's my favorite Kody
quote of the episode? Did did you?
Oh, I, I'm gonna take away just,yeah, like I was gonna say
Regis, I'd like to like final answer or whatever.
I don't know. Yeah, we all look for a

(40:49):
different. I can't go a dollar over.
We're just like all of them, like every single thing.
I'm gonna guess OK if I'm going for the $1,000,000, OK.
One it's. That yes, when Kody says
something along the lines of I enjoyed watching my wives
bumping hips in the kitchen. It was.
You were close. Oh fuck.

(41:10):
Oh. Shit, you did not win.
No 1,000,000. God damn it, I'm still a broke
idiot. It was knocking hips for.
It was knocking hips. Knocking hips.
Probably was. Fuck I thought I was so good
about bumping hips but it was knocking hips God damn it.

(41:33):
And the word does make a difference.
I would just like to say with the level of disgust.
Even as a patriarch, I. Understand.
I understand, yeah. And I'm so sorry to crush.
Your books. And dreams.
I do love it when people are so confident with their answer
though. And then they're wrong.
And then they lose $1,000,000. I'm just like, oh.

(41:56):
I'm not saying that we're gonna have to reference this in the
future, ladies and gentlemen, but I'm just saying I was
getting joy out of me losing $1,000,000 right here, right
now, in front of you, in your very ears.
I will take the retaliation. When it comes the retaliation, I
will just promise that I will take it.
Well, yeah, that's good. Don't worry.
No, knocking hips definitely is worse than bumping hips, so

(42:17):
yeah. OK Fuck I can't believe I fucked
that up. I'm.
Sorry, honey. It really was a terrible moment.
I should have. I should have given.
It, it was just like, what? And of course, Robyn was like
super proud about how proud Kodywas of his wives in the kitchen.
She was like, it was so cute. He's just watching all of us
together. And then he talked about

(42:38):
knocking hips and I'm like, thisis disgusting.
Like. Yeah.
Anyway, it was. Disgusting.
Don't worry, Janelle was not in there right as as you mentioned,
she acknowledges that she has nodomestic skills so she
disengages. Yes, disengage.
She disengages. That's it.

(42:58):
I love the word disengage. They're just so good.
That's why I love like that's the visual of her over in the
corner. Like I'm not going to look at
anything because like if I look at anything, I might get in it,
I might start it, someone might not a person.
Like I'm not making icon contactbecause what if someone wants me
to do something? Yes, she's just around.
But do you know what she said? I did you pick up on this?

(43:22):
What? So she said something along the
lines of so she didn't have any domestic skills and that, like
back in the old days, that was interpreted as lazy.
Yes, yes. So some like implication, yeah.
With other wives, felt like she was being lazy.

(43:44):
Yeah, I was thinking that there was a correlation with her back
to old. Yeah, like old stories, like
back in the day and in their relationships where she felt
they thought she was lazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know. We will discuss more things
about why I suspect she thinks that or why thinks people might

(44:05):
have even said something. There's a thing about the
kitchens. There's a reason that we're
talking about the kitchen. And then she talks about
laziness. And they're, these wives have
had to share a kitchen before and there were probably things
said to her where she interpreted it that way.
Or, you know, I mean, it is Meri.
So maybe she was like, you're fucking lazy.
I don't really know. It's not Meri.
This is Janelle. No, I'm saying Meri, said Meri.

(44:29):
Meri. And Janelle, Meri and Janelle
have kitchen issues. They have kitchen issues.
And I'm not saying that Janelle is maybe on the wrong or right
side of this, I just think that maybe right there have been
times that her amount of time working doesn't correlate with
maybe what people think her responsibilities within the.
Home within the home should be. Right.

(44:51):
And so that interpreter is lazy,but that bitch has been out of
this house for 9 hours today andyou've been in it and what are
you doing? And obviously we know they're
still doing a lot too. And so I just, I just wonder, I
don't even know. I'm sure we'll learn a lot more
about it. And then we have Meri giving the
pyjamas to the kids, and we've heard about this story.

(45:11):
Yes, we've heard about this multiple Times Now.
And it was so cute that she was giving all the kids their
pyjamas every All of the kids seem to be very excited about
it, which is great. They do a little fashion show,
which is fun. Standouts to me were Gabriel
doing poses because he came out and he was like, literally like

(45:32):
striking poses in the living room.
And then Logan came out and tooklike, his hat off or whatever.
And he was being like such a like, cute young man.
Like, he was all being like, I'mso debonair or whatever.
And it was like teenage boy, butalso like becoming a young man
where it's like, Oh my gosh, like, calm down, calm down.
And it was like a catwalk. They called it a catwalk, Yeah.

(45:54):
It was so cute. First, you could tell that they
all truly love this tradition. Yeah, there wasn't a hint of
like, Oh my God, I don't want toput on these pajamas and do this
at 0. Even from the teenagers.
Even from the teenagers, they were all 100% game.
You could tell they absolutely love doing this.

(46:15):
Like this is a fun way to like, they have their dinner, they
have their PJS, like this kicks off their whole, you know,
Christmas experience. And so, so cute traditions like
that, that just rock it with like everybody all the time are
just awesome. And it was, it was adorable.
Yeah, it was great. It was.
Great, it is a super cute way todo like Christmas Eve.

(46:39):
Like honestly, that's so cute. Like it makes me think not like,
oh, I wish my family would have done that, of course, but like
that's fun. Like to have a tradition that
isn't even Christmas Day, but Christmas Eve and isn't.
My in laws family did that and it was, it was just adorbs.
You all loved getting your PJS. You just, yeah, you know, it was

(47:01):
sometimes you wore them to Christmas Day dinner.
If everybody was like in unison that we're not going to dress up
and do any, you know what I mean?
Like it was, yeah. Adorable.
So very cute. Absolutely.
And then they get their their photo, their their family photo
taken. Oh yes, in the pajamas.
In their pajamas and what? What's playing in the

(47:23):
background, Chris? Oh God, what is playing in the
background? Silent Night.
Yeah, that was great. So.
I always want you to continue singing.
I want to hear the. Whole song it was again.
I always start off on like the worst key too.

(47:44):
I'm always like all over the place.
Well, but it was again. The Britney Spears.
OK, Britney around. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. Well placed music though
actually the music was nice withthe family photos so I.

(48:07):
Christmas is upon us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh boy. Christmas morning.
Yeah. Christmas morning.
The day of Jesus's birth. Birth.
He was born on Christmas. Thank you.

(48:28):
Yes, just checking. By the Virgin Meri.
That's right. They start by showing all the
presents. There was a lot of presents, of
course. And Janelle talks about how with
three presents each for 21 people, I mean, that's 63 gifts.
I'm guessing there's probably more than three for whatever.
Some people maybe, but that's a lot of gifts.

(48:50):
I was trying to come up with themath and they talked about they
did the kids drawing names in the last episode.
They do some of that. It's adorable.
We'll talk about that. But then like they stop.
And I was trying to think of thethree presents times 21 people.
We know the kids giving each other one is 1.
What are the rest of them? And we don't know.

(49:11):
We don't know. They didn't tell us, but I was
waiting for the explanation of the math.
Yeah, that didn't come. Yeah, my assumption is, you
know, Mom, Dad and, you know, maybe parents and then Meris, I,
I, I, you know, they already gother and.
Then there's Robyns ornaments. Yeah.
So yeah, maybe Robbins and then mom and dads, you know, I think,

(49:32):
you know the whole like member Hunter saying with three moms,
you get more gifts. So this is what I'm saying it's
I'm not trying. To say that Janelle's.
Janelle's the bookkeeper of the family, and the math ain't math.
And like, I don't think each oneof those kids only got 3.
Presents. I just wanted to make sure that
I wasn't missing something therebecause I did not complete the
equation. No, you were not missing

(49:53):
anything. The math was not mathing.
Thank you. OK.
Meri talks about the joy of giftgiving, which is pretty cute.
You know how it is nice? I mean, it does I feel good to
give people other things. The point, yes, is that you can
get more joy sometimes in being the giver yes, than being the

(50:18):
receiver yes. It's often times more fun to
give the gift yes, than to receive a gift.
More fulfilling. Right.
Yeah, that is. Absolutely true.
Yes. And it was a beautiful moment.
I don't, I don't remember anything she specifically said.
It was just that she talked about that.
Yeah, it was cute. I think it was after that that

(50:40):
so they had shown moments of thekids exchanging their gifts and
it was really cute because they would do like especially a lot
of the little kids gave the bigger kids like big, huge hugs
after they got their presents, right?
Like there was like big, huge, genuine thank you hugs and it
was adorable, right? So they show some of that, but
they don't show like extended periods of the gift giving.

(51:03):
The only other thing that they showed was that Robyn gave Meri
a statue of sisters dancing. Yeah.
I think. Yeah, that's what it was called.
And Meri cried. Yeah.
And then Robyn cried. Sabin cried.
We haven't called her Sabin in ahot minute.

(51:24):
I know, I know. Yeah.
So. I was thinking Meri's crying,
Robyn's crying, Chris is crying because it was a cute moment.
It was cute. It was very sentimental.
Yeah. The sisters dancing was, you
know, clearly, like, well, I shouldn't say clearly.

(51:44):
For people that haven't just watched the episode with us,
what are those things called? Those figurines?
It's similar to the ones that people give each other, where
it's like the silhouettes. Willow tree angels are a version
of them. Yeah, and this wasn't that, but
it was something like that. But something like a yes.
Where it was like silhouettes, Angel esque silhouettes of.

(52:07):
Two women artsy though. Yeah, artsy.
Yes, like contemporary ish. Robyn's art taste coming out
early. Oh, geez.
Yeah. Well, you know, but it was cute
that it was sisters dancing. Obviously hot off the episode of
Meri's colonoscopy. Oh my gosh, what a way to word

(52:30):
that. For colonoscopy Sisters Day.
So I would just really first like to know what dots in your
brain connected to make that happen?
Because her sister died from cancer and her sisters dancing.
It's about her sister who passedaway from cancer.
OK, well then those were the dots I needed it.

(52:51):
That didn't seem I didn't have all those.
Yeah. OK.
From the colonoscopy bit, yeah, yes, her sister died from
cancer. And so it's like sisters
dancing, Yeah. That does help a lot.
Yeah, OK, OK. Thank you.
All right, all right, We're gonna get this back on track.
Wow. Also also in the background.

(53:15):
Oh, come all ye face. Oh yeah, come.
No. I was trying to do the backup
vocals. Oh yeah, come joyful and try.
Born the King of Angels. When the king of angels, yeah.
Ye O Come me OK and so then yes,more more sister wives

(53:37):
relationships talks. Oh gosh.
Well. Brief couch moment takes place
where they're kind of talking about recapping a little bit the
sister wives relationship Ness of it all.
You know, they had done the present moment and then cut to
couch moment and talking about how they do become very close

(53:59):
and that's wonderful and blah blah blah.
And Kody cuts in and says I justhave a question.
Have you ever been closer to a sister wife than you have to me?
Yeah, to Christine. What the fuck kind of question
is that? Yeah, like.
And she's like, well, no, like. Yeah.

(54:20):
How am I supposed to answer that?
I don't know if he was fishing for something.
I'm not quite sure what that I mean, other than just being
selfish and wanting everyone to think about him.
I don't really know what the purpose of that was.
Honestly, I feel like it goes tothis whole like when it all
starts to fall apart and like it's snowballs and then
crumbles, right? It's like he wants them all to

(54:42):
be so close. He wants them to have these
relationships. He wants them to feel like
they're this tight knit. And so part of me thinks he
wants them to say, well, yeah, we do, but in different ways,
you know? Like I think he wants them to
say that. However, he very clearly does
not like them coming together tohave power over him and wants to

(55:07):
be in control of everything. So he wants one thing, but then
it it's not working. Again, the math ain't math and
lots of math issues in this episode.
So I feel like there was a lot more to it than just the stupid
way he phrased some question to them.

(55:29):
That's almost like the foreshadowing of how it all just
gross, gross, gross. Gross pushes for them to be very
close than to have their own relationships, But you know that
that's not ultimately what he wants because he doesn't want
them to be united in a way that's not with him
individually. Well, correct.
Correct. Or to ever try to work against

(55:52):
him collectively or even not as a whole, but like a twosie and a
twosie or something like none ofthat.
We don't want any. Well, is it a democracy after
people looking to talk to each other or like they're encouraged
to not be, you know, incommunique?
But one person has more power than the rest.

(56:16):
And then they come back to some more of the gift opening.
And it was cute because Mckelty and Hunter got cell phones.
And it's fun because they have these phones in these boxes and
they pull them out and they're totally like phones of the time.
Oh. My gosh, little flip phones.
Probably, yeah. Discount phones at the time,
that's fine. And Christine says that she
wants the kids to be able to be in touch with people if they

(56:38):
move. Was her couch moment talking
about it if they move? If they move.
And then Kody questions her. He's like, you know what?
I I wonder if you really think that there's any other options
at this point? Are you still confused if we're
going to move or not? Yeah.
Are you still confused if we're going to move or not?

(57:04):
Christine's confused. That's a.
That's a pretty, yeah, interesting question to ask one
of your spouses. And she says, Yep, basically,
Yep. Yeah, yeah.
Like, what does that even mean? And he goes, you're waiting for
a miracle, you know, And. But that he's not changing his

(57:28):
mind. Yeah, but he's not changing his
mind. Yeah.
So. And he tells her we're moving
straight up. And they have this back and
forth where there's some other literally a back and forth, like
there's a little bit of a tennismatch with words.

(57:51):
And Christine, kind of my take away was that Christine was
saying that she feels like she has no choice and that Kody
isn't listening to her. And she basically says that
like, I don't think that you're listening to me when I tell you
what I'm thinking. Correct.
There is a moment like with the in in the midst of the backs and
the forths that Robyn says, but Kody, she gets to say too, and

(58:17):
then says Kody tell her why. Then then Kody, tell her why.
Tell her why we're so she gets to say too.
But then just tell her why, Because clearly if you tell her
why, she's going to understand. Like they haven't had this
fucking conversation. Robyn.
Yeah. What are you talking about?
Yeah, well, Robyn speaks Kody and that's wonderful.

(58:39):
But yeah, how is it that everyone's on the same team and
yet Christina's saying when I speak, I feel like you don't
hear me and is questioning, but it doesn't even feel like her.
My take away, my vibe sense was not that she was being
antagonistic or whatever. She's like, I just feel like
I've no one's heard me talk likeI'm speaking or no one's asked

(59:01):
me or she hasn't really been consulted.
I guess in a in a meaningful way.
She also said that she doesn't want to make the decision out of
fear. Yeah, she thinks that they're
making a decision out of fear, possibly too quickly.
And they all in some form like, acknowledge that Kody's the
leader. Yeah.

(59:23):
Like they're all kind of. Or he says so and they just.
Kind of, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Like there's a it didn't seem like he was like saying it to
them and they pushed back at allthat he was the leader, but he
certainly made it clear that he was the leader.
They agreed. And so he determined that it was
his decision. And they need to learn to or get

(59:46):
to a place where they can function in peace and take
control of their own life. Right.
And this is kind of when Christine he, he says to her,
like, we are moving, we're moving, we're going.
And she said, I don't want to. And he said sorry, sorry.

(01:00:09):
Sorry. We're moving.
Like what? That show was crazy.
It was a little weird because I did feel like why was she the
only one who seemed to be not with the program?
It almost felt like they had already made this decision and
she wasn't. And maybe she just wasn't on
board. And I mean I.
Guess I guess I feel like there's future examples of her

(01:00:31):
kind of doing the same thing though, Like thinking they were
moving back places that they were never moving back to.
So like I. Don't.
Know but something is there is adisconnect and where that
disconnect is we. It's hard to know because also
none of the wives really come toher defense in the sense of

(01:00:51):
like, I'm in the same place, youknow, because if you and I were,
if some if I was sitting there and I was one of the other wives
and I felt similarly, that wouldgive me the ammunition that'd
give me the reason to say, well,I motivate to say I feel the
same way. Like why are we whatever and no
one said anything and they all kind of are avoiding looking at
each other. And it's very like Kody saying

(01:01:12):
the way it is, but I don't get the sense that, like,
Christine's the only one speaking up.
It's almost feels like they've already made this decision and
she's just not on board or something.
I don't know. I hope we learn a little bit
more about, as we do sometimes in this show, we learn a little
bit more about the behind the scenes of this before it all
comes to fruition because it is a little.

(01:01:34):
That was just weird. It was just weird.
I don't understand what happenedthere.
Yeah. Back at the cabin, there it is.
Yes, they're outside. They're outside in Mother
Nature, just where Janelle wantsto be.
She is Earth, She is Goddess, She is Mother Nature.
And she? Is driving.
She is getting on a snowmobile, she is wearing one of those big

(01:01:59):
ass helmets and she has one of those neck hood thermal things.
Well, how would you describe that?
It's like a scarf, but not a scarf.
Blava. Is that what they're called or
something? It's like it goes over your
whole head and neck. Yeah, I don't know what the word
is, but yeah, whatever that is. And Kody's trying to help her

(01:02:20):
with it, but he pulls it down over her chin and then it snaps
back up over her face. And I was lol ING because it was
just a great moment. Like the production did a great
job because they left it for like a second or two before the
transition. And it was like so good because
Janelle's just sitting there with this clock shit over her
face. He's just sitting on a
snowmobile. And Kody's like, it was just, it

(01:02:44):
was like a cartoon in my head. I was like, yes, Janelle.
I do have to interject for a moment though.
I do. OK.
Yes, yes. It is snow MO Belle.
Oh, snowmobile. It's not a snowmobile.
It is a snowmobile. Snowmobile.
OK. Bil God.
I'm never. I know I'm like, I'd love to

(01:03:06):
mispronounce things more than I already do, but it's tough.
It's tough for me. So they all go snowmobiling.
Listen that. That's good first.
Time snowmobiling and they're going snowmobiling.
I mean, that's what I forget. Yeah.
OK, yeah, as they're snowmobiling through nature and

(01:03:27):
the snow, and it's cute. I mean, there's like, it's fun
because they're on the driveway now.
We can see during the day, it didn't look like they were
taking their life into their ownhands by going up and down the
driveway, which we discussed in the last episode.
During the daytime, will it be like, if you take a left, you're
fine, and if you take a right, you die?
Oh, yes. Well, it turns out no.
It is a driveway with snow bankson each side.
They're riding the snowmobiles where you can.

(01:03:49):
Forgot about the take A right take A.
Left. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And now, but now, like, there's snowmobiling out in like the
ravine. And so you can see the cabin
behind them. Well, you know, like you can see
the cabin in the background. It's just, it's cute.
It's cute, it's fun. There's snowmobiling.
It is what it is. They wanted to distract the
older kids from all the shitty shit.

(01:04:12):
Meri reiterates that with a voiceover while they're
snowmobiling. We revisit our couch back on.
The couch. As we do back on the couch,
whiplash and they are, you know,talking about how they want to
stay together as a family, that this is a major challenge for

(01:04:35):
them and that Kody says something along the lines of
even the collateral damage, it is worth it basically because he
he knows best, right? Yes.
And yeah. And so that's just that.

(01:04:56):
And that's that. Yeah, absolutely.
Kody, while he's saying this, I was distracted by his haircut.
No, mind you, he's growing his hair out.
We're in a moment of transition for Kody.
It is dropping down the side of his head.
So right now we're fanning out from ear lower ear earlobe

(01:05:17):
necklace and it's the shape of abell, which is beautiful.
Now, when we're growing your hair out, there are awkward
times. But I also wanted to point out
that it's also perhaps the shapeof like a penis head.
He looks like a penis or a bell,and that's beautiful.
For Kody, it's a wonderful moment.
Did you know I had a vision as you were describing both of?

(01:05:40):
Those things. And it was of an Oompa Loompa.
An Oompa Loompa Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Yes.
But it's kind of that, you know how their hair is super and his
is not slick, ladies and gents. It is wiry and dry and terrible.
But just kind of that with the little thing at the bottom and
then the orange face. Yeah, it can work.
It can work to an extent. So he has some shape going on in

(01:06:02):
his head. Yep.
Christine says that Kody seems like he wants to move, like he's
into moving. And Kody says he doesn't want to
appear like he's kicking and screaming leaving, like he wants
to put on a brave face in a sense for his family.
Now, Christine bringing up that it's like you seem like you're

(01:06:25):
excited to move is a substantialpoint.
Like you don't seem like you're,you're, there's something weird.
Now here's where there's God. This episode, this episode, we
need to look into where Robyn's parents live On this date.
Where do Robyn's parents live? No shit.

(01:06:45):
Do they live in Saint George still or have they moved to Las
Vegas? No shit.
Because what we later know, whatwe know later, which have not
looked up before this episode, did no investigation.
We'll see where this lands at some point.
Robyn's Uncle Daddy is like a land surveyor or a something

(01:07:07):
like that does. What is it called when you do an
appraiser in Las Vegas? Shut the front door.
Shut the front door. So is it like, is it possible
that Robyn wants to move to Vegas?
That Robyn's parents live in Vegas.
There's always been something where Vegas is a city.

(01:07:27):
It's there. It's nearby God.
That bitch just gets her way every single time.
Production would not talk out ofgoing to Vegas versus Lehigh in
my guess because it's probably amore production friendly
location. So maybe Kody and Robyn are
having this thing about like, Ohwell, where should we go and

(01:07:48):
what should we do? And Robyn's parents happen to
live in Las Vegas now. Do we know 100% at this moment
that her parents live in Las Vegas?
I can't put my hand on the Bibleand say I know, but I'm going.
To look it up. Well Oh my God, that's amazing.

(01:08:09):
No, her parents live. Uncle Daddy, whatever his name
is, lives in Vegas with Robyn's mother, and they're conveniently
moving to Vegas. And at least one wife is
questioning Kody's enthusiasm level for leaving and going to
Vegas. Like, why do you feel like this
isn't some sort of like panic crazy moment?
Like when you talk to me, I don't get that vibe.

(01:08:31):
And he's like, well, I don't want to look like I'm screaming
and kicking, you know? I just like, whatever.
I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
Well, here's where. So again, it's this disconnect.
There is a disconnect. Something is being said
differently. And I think that what is
happening is that the conversations that Kody is
having with Christine, trying toconvince her of this move and

(01:08:54):
why it is necessary, are very different than the conversations
he is having with the other wives because they are not as
opposed. So they're like, OK, fine.
I guess if that's what we're doing, it's going to be hard on
the kids, but we'll work throughit.
And ultimately, I agree with your decision.
And maybe some of them, even in these couch moments, aren't

(01:09:14):
fully aware of Christine's not fully being on the same page.
Like, I don't know for sure. It's it'll be interesting.
I hope we get more and well, we will.
We got more common for sure. But I don't, I think Kody is
painting this to Christine as a necessity and saying that he

(01:09:37):
doesn't want to move. But we have to do this.
We're not going to be able to get through this without this
being what happens. And that's why she she's trying
to say, I'm not doing this out of fear.
I'm not doing it for that reason.
But then he's like, well, but wekind of want to too, you know?

(01:09:58):
Like it's just this weird. Like, what the what the fuck?
It definitely stands out. I don't like it.
He is framing it differently to different people and I think
differently to her at times. And she is calling him out for
it. She is calling him out right
there on that couch and saying wait a minute, but and and in a

(01:10:18):
very sweet and not confrontational way.
Wait, so you want to move you? You do.
Want putting on a brave face forthe family?
So this is what you want to do, You know, like it was just.
Not a reaction. Fucking weird.
Fucking weird. Anyway.
And then we cut from the parentson the couch to the teenagers

(01:10:40):
back on the couch, and they're kind of summarizing with, you
know, either we're moving or we're staying and at risk of
being separated as a family fromstaying.
And so when, particularly when Logan talks about it, there is a
maturity in his evaluation of like, yeah, I mean, it does suck

(01:11:02):
if we move, but even if we stay,we might have to move anyway.
Like, things might be just as bad or not worse than moving.
And this was definitely where ithit even more.
Like, I feel like I got bulldozed like 3 times by the
emotions with the teenagers. This one and or this episode.
Excuse me? And this was the final one.

(01:11:24):
And then obviously like Hunter talking like, Oh my God.
It was a lot. I think I felt really bad that
at such a young age they have todeal with stuff like this.
Like, it seems like a lot, but then I was also like, every
average family has to deal with this, right?

(01:11:47):
Like it's not. Well, not with this.
I mean not. Let's say teenagers have to deal
with a lot of. Things and I guess I don't even
mean like the worry about your dad going to jail.
Maybe that's the other side of course that they don't, but like
moving like I think it's actually like the moving thing
that is scaring them that much. Like I don't even know if they
fully understand like that theirdad could go.

(01:12:08):
I don't know, there's a lot of layers to it for sure, but I
just hate that they have to likeacknowledge it and try to
process it because it's just so hard at that age.
There's nothing good about it. Maddie said she was just so sad
to leave her best friends. And I quote because we were

(01:12:29):
going to be legends in this town.
Yeah, now. If that's not a teenager
statement. That is a teenager statement and
certainly a Maddie statement, and I'm not even hating her for
it because my God, we, you know,we believe.
We are both legends. Yeah, like there's a Taylor
Swift song I have to play you later anyway.

(01:12:51):
But Hunter crying, that's reallywhen they ended.
It was with this moment of Hunter crying.
And I think all the other kids, like, hated it so much that he
cried because he never cries. And he was really trying to get
his words out, but he was so upset.

(01:13:11):
And yeah, just heartbreaking. Like, it's just, you know, for
so many reasons, it's hard for them.
But I think for him, he said that he had so many friends.
Like, maybe he hasn't always hada lot of friends, but he does
now. And, you know, he has extended
family there and he has footballand just all of these things.

(01:13:31):
And to imagine starting over somewhere else at that age is
just, like, terrifying. I never had to do it.
I'm thankful I never had to do it.
I don't know what that would have felt like.
I would have probably not been great at it, you know?
Yeah, that's not my vibe. I elected to go to a different

(01:13:53):
school, my. Yes, yes.
Yes. And it's is quite overwhelming
to change everything up when you're at that age.
Yeah. Even by choice.
And by choice, it was overwhelming, yeah.
And I tried to talk myself out of it a couple times, but.
Yeah. Yeah, Hunter talking about

(01:14:14):
things and then he cheers up andthey're like, oh God, I think
Daddy says literally like, oh, Hunter doesn't cry.
So like you never. Cry.
I can't look at it. This is bad.
Yeah, and I totally choked up. I was like, Oh my God.
Like this kid, Like, you know, when someone doesn't cry, then
they're crying. It's like it gets me.
My cancer feels. Oh my God.
I was like, I can't believe I'm getting choked up at Sister

(01:14:35):
Wives, but I can also believe it.
Well, there's there's some genuine moments on the show for
sure. We we RIP them apart as much as
we can, but. Well, and like.
This is I. Was going to say if this was a
post on a social media account Iwould be saying we're a hunter
stand account. Like Hunter, like, Oh my gosh,
really? To all these kids right now

(01:14:55):
though, like literally to all of.
Them. No scam.
You can have a seizure in a suburban.
It was not a minivan. It is a suburban.
I am putting the asterisk. I'm correcting that.
Corrected. We have been we.
We weren't correct, we realized.Our footage yes yes yes, it was
a suburban, but no, Mckelty is not the same as hunter.
I'm sorry I'm. Not, I'm not.

(01:15:15):
I'm just saying for what? The You know what, Craig?
You know what? You're right.
You're like, we hate all these children.
Yeah. Oh, Alice.
Oh, bite me. No, I'm your mustard seed.
Oh, oh. But oh, I wasn't doing.
I was slow on that one. Fuck.
Oh, sorry. And gentlemen.
Sorry everybody. OK, so Speaking of mustard seed,
do you have one ready for us or do you want to start with shit

(01:15:36):
stain? Because I'm not going to whip
one out at you. We know that doesn't go well.
Well, I think I would love to gowith my mustard seed.
OK, good. Who's your mustard?
Seed my mustard seed. Controversial, Potentially
controversial. OK, I am going to go with
Janelle. Oh OK, I didn't see this coming.

(01:15:58):
I know, OK, this is what I'm saying.
Let's hear it. And the reason I am going with
Janelle is because I think that on that couch moment when
everybody was talking about fighting in the kitchen and
she's like, I don't care about fighting in the fucking kitchen.
I appreciate the fact that she is not scared to say that, even

(01:16:18):
with maybe some potential like behind the scenes feelings about
how she's been implicated in thepast.
So I like, I like it. And she took the face mask thing
in stride. She really didn't give a fuck.
She really so classic Janelle. She just sat there.
Right. Yeah.
Oh, God, that sounded. Yeah.

(01:16:38):
OK. Yes, it was beautiful.
Mustard seed for Janelle. Yeah.
Oh, my gosh. OK, my mustard seed.
I'm going to be ashamed of this in the morning, but my mustard
seed is once again going to MeriBrown.
This is three in a row. I am now you're cutting three in
a. Row I'm giving listen with all,

(01:17:01):
with all due resistance and hesitation, and against my
better judgment. That's what you say every time.
I'm giving Meri a mustard seed. I do love that she'll sit that
ass on a fucking sled and go down the hill and be like,
whatever, This isn't even a big deal.
Even if she kind of says it in an annoying way.
I think that's fun. And I like that she's sick and

(01:17:25):
hollering up being like, what you gonna do?
Like, yes, Meri. So I'm giving her my mustard
seed and I will live to regret it.
I fully support it. Also, you say that every time
and here we are again. God, I'm such a loser.
I'm a deadbeat loser anyway. Shit stain.
Wow, we're ready for your shit stain.
You're going to whip it out. I think it's going to be Robyn.

(01:17:46):
Oh, good choice, good choice. Yeah, what's the reason for this
time? I never have the reason at the
ready. The reason at the ready this
time is the kitchen bullshit with Christine that, yeah, I
thought was just fucking stupid.So.

(01:18:07):
Kind of unnecessary. This is the these passive.
I know, I know. And it's like, bitch, please, no
you don't. No, that's not.
No, what she doesn't know could fill a football field.
Yeah, she doesn't know a lot. Oh God, my shit stain.
I feel like I have to give my shit stain to Kody Brown.

(01:18:28):
Yeah, I was hoping. So I know, I know.
And I think it's because, well, OK, two reasons.
OK, I was gonna say it was because of the like, removing
the snow and the ice from the cabin because it's like, OK,
renter who needs to be a man. Also Janelle was like proud of
him for it but also like she wanted it gone but she didn't

(01:18:48):
want him to be stupid about it. Yes, and he did.
And he did accomplish it, but I'm still not a fan of him.
So it's disgusting. Boo.
And then also obviously the communications with Christine in
front of everybody and he does this thing that we obviously
this isn't our first time seeingit where he, it feels like he's

(01:19:10):
like trying to manipulate peopleon camera in front of us and in
front of other people and in front of the crew and in front
of the entire world. And it's like, do you really
think you're getting away with this?
Like it doesn't feel natural. It doesn't feel right.
He does this posturing too, right?
Because like, when he's talking to her, it's like he's sitting

(01:19:32):
up extra straight and looking, like, directly in her face.
Yeah, yeah. And it's not just like a glance
over the shoulder, like it's more intentional than that, Yes,
and. Yeah.
And there's something about the way that she communicates with
him where I feel like she's stopping just shy of what she
should really be saying. And I think that's because of

(01:19:55):
years of conditioning and training and whatever from him.
I don't think that's her. No, she understands that that is
not a way to communicate with him.
So what she is trying to do is play like the dumb idiot asking.
Innocuous questions that don't actually, you know, come to any
whatever. But she's trying to trap him
into admitting that he's not being honest.

(01:20:17):
Yeah, so obviously you should stand for Kody.
Yeah. And yeah, no one's surprised by
I should stand for Kody. Of course.
Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from Spotify and it
is a comment on our episode 6 Rewatch the Polygamist Party
episode and it's from Leah Carr.Now Leah says not to go weird or

(01:20:41):
anything, but Ali's laugh is my favorite thing.
Oh, Jesus. And Chris, the wordsmith, I love
this for all of us now. Love that.
That's beautiful. Thank you.
Ali's laugh is your favorite thing, and it's some people's
favorite thing. Ali, is it your favorite thing?
Listen, it just happens guys. It does and I cannot control it

(01:21:04):
and I apologize. I will tell.
You you should not be apologized.
No, but I will tell you that many homes within a several home
radius of mine know exactly whenI'm sitting on my patio,
especially when I'm having cocktails with Chris.
OK? Yeah.
And so it is well known and thank you for liking it because
some people don't. Well, the neighbors.

(01:21:25):
It gets to be a lot sometimes, guys.
They always say it affectionately, that they know
when you're outside. They're not saying it in a bad.
Way but it is loud. Yes, and thank you so much for
the compliment. I don't know that I would give
myself the title of wordsmith, especially because if you
actually hear what I sound like,like I don't know, you might
need your hearing Chuck. Just kidding, Leah, you're

(01:21:46):
great. Everyone is so happy about her
show and everyone loves us, which is so great.
We. Love it.
I love this for all of us. I do agree.
I do agree we're doing good for the world.
You are doing world. You are doing good for us.
You know what? We wake up every day and we go,
how can we help the world? And then we sit down and watch
Sister Wives. Yeah, we're missionaries right

(01:22:09):
now. We're missionaries in your ears.
We're missionaries. We're your senses, but only one
of your senses. One word carrying God's word.
Thank you. Thank you.
Amen. Amen.
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