Sister Wives S3 E6 - The Wives Diet Woes

The sister wives open up about an issue that has bothered all of them -- their weight! They speak candidly about their battle with the bulge and attempts to the shed pounds as they they make their way to a gym for a body fat analysis.

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Sister Wives is a TLC docuseries starring Kody Brown, Meri Brown, Christine Brown, Janelle Brown, Robyn Brown, and their family.

Episode Transcript

(00:10):
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim,
sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
kidneys over all these years andthe sacrifices that I made to

(00:32):
love you. Season 3, episode 6 of Sister
Wives, the wives diet woes. So this title had me feel in a

(00:57):
certain kind of way just to begin with, you know, as I've
talked about on this podcast before, I have been called
Chubby. I'm sure I have two.
Not to my face, but I'm sure I have.
Oh wait, my kid has definitely told me I'm chubby for sure.
By the other host of this show, she told me I was chubby.

(01:18):
And so I've been feeling very sensitive about it recently.
But you know, the wives diet woe.
So it's like, OK, great, we're going to talk about being fat or
going to the gym or eating and we talked about all of those
things. So but you know, it wasn't as
bad as I thought it was going tobe.
I thought it was going to be worse.
Just kind of like our last one with Kody's like name in it
where we were like, oh God, it'sgoing to be all Kody.

(01:39):
But it wasn't. It's like it was tolerable.
It was totally tolerable. Was it enjoyable?
Meh. You know, I mean, it was fine.
I don't think anything ground breaking happened.
However, yeah, it was fine. It was fine, Yeah.
We start out the episode at Meri's house and she's getting

(02:02):
ready to go to the gym. She's putting on her gym shoes,
sitting on those stairs. She loves to sit on these stairs
while she's getting ready to leave the house.
It's like her, her place to plant.
It is a place for that. Yes, she's she's putting her
shoes on on these stairs and shesays she's been going to this
gym for a while and she wants tointroduce the other wives to a
personal trainer that she knows.And she's, I don't know if she's

(02:24):
been working with him, but that she knows she has a spotlight
moment. And she now says that she is a
size 14, that she has always hada little up and down with her
weight. You know, she's struggled with
that like many of us have. Now, did she say she was a size
10 when she got married? I missed the number, she said
for when she. Got married, I think it was a

(02:45):
size 10 and I look at the photosof her when she got married and
I'm like, you look like a size 2lady.
So I don't know what a size 10 was back then.
Certainly that could have fluctuated, I guess, but it the
math ain't math in there. I think we're trying to make it

(03:05):
seem like there hasn't been quite as dramatic of a change as
there has been. And that's fine and I appreciate
it, but she did not look like a size 10 in her wedding.
No, I agree that it would be a 2or a four like she looked.
Skinny, skinny, skinny. She's a thin person in her
wedding photos. Yes, so a little confused about

(03:28):
that. Yep, and seems unnecessary in a
sense, but whatever. Like, oh, she's only she's only
gone up to dress sizes like girlor 4, whatever the math is on
that, I don't know, but. Look, I'm not dogging it.
We've all been there. Like, OK, I get it.
I totally understand not wantingto make it seem like I have
changed the amount of sizes I have in my life, which is, you

(03:52):
know, I don't think I was ever as skinny as she was.
OK. Yeah, you were at once, maybe
like a six or an 8. OK, OK.
But yeah, like we, we do grow sometimes 10 plus sizes in life,
OK, And sometimes that happens. So absolutely.
Actually I think it happens a lot.
I think it happens a lot for people so.

(04:13):
Well, this is it. So all of the sister wives are
talking about their weight struggles, and it really echoes
what you're talking about right now.
Like we all have our weight journeys and for most of us it
isn't, oh, I've just always struggled to keep the weight on.
Like that's not most, that's notmost people's journey.
So it's very understandable. Now also for those people that

(04:35):
that is your struggle, I feel for you too.
PS By the way, because there arepeople that legitimately do need
to keep weight on and cannot, and I can't imagine what kind of
struggle that would be either. So just to be fair, just to be
fair. Very balanced.
Well, we'll try to be balanced once.
Just once. That was it, yes.

(04:59):
So all of the wives arrive at the gym now, their outfits.
I don't know how to really address this.
I kind of feel like there's certain things I can talk about
as we're going through. I, I don't know that I want to
give a description of what everyone's wearing right now,
but I want to see what you feel like.
What do you want to share about how they're walking into the
gym? Do you know I had not considered

(05:22):
their outfits at the gym for onesingle second throughout?
This entire episode. I did not.
Oh my God, I was so distracted. That that's what's hysterical
about it. I just didn't.
I was not. And normally you're the one
that's picking out what they're wearing and I'm.
Like, yeah, I mean, like, I can picture what they're wearing,
but I guess I like, looking backin hindsight, I think they were

(05:44):
wearing what they were most comfortable to be wearing at the
gym. And I think there was various
levels of what that looked like.You know, we're still in the
lots of layers stages, so there were some layers.
And this is before the workout clothing that we have of today,
right? Like athleisure did not exist

(06:08):
quite the way back then as it does today.
Yes, there are definitely more options today that are less
offensive to the eye. Well, anyway, I actually.
Noticed I. Don't know if that's true to be
honest, because it all comes outin some way or another.

(06:30):
True, true. Love that photo of the person
who's like wearing flesh toned out in public where it's like
you look like you're naked and it's not.
No, but I have had so many like light pair, like light color
pair of leggings arrive that if if I get like a multi pack, like
multi colors or whatever and like a light Gray even is just

(06:51):
like no, no, no, you can't wear that.
That is, everything else does not show things in that same or
if it does, good Lord, what haveI been doing?
You know, so there's also that concern and.
I would not be wearing skin toned tights.
No, I will not anywhere. I don't think I have ever done
that. Yes, I don't think I have.

(07:12):
Oh God. So I will talk about a couple
things with the outfits and you can, you know, give give us your
thoughts as well. OK, We get introduced to Bill,
the personal trainer. We do.
Bill seems nice. He seems, you know, a little bit
like a personal trainer. You know, like built guy,
approachable enough. I don't know that he strikes me

(07:35):
in any real way other than that he's a personal trainer right
off the bat. Like, did you have anything
right off the bat with Bill? I didn't have anything with
Bill, but I did have two more specifics before Bill is
introduced. Oh, what are those?
So they so Meri kind of gave her, you know, take on why she
wants to go to the gym and whatever else, right?

(07:58):
And her weight's always fluctuated and this and that.
And then they kind of went, theywent through Christine and
Janelle, not Robyn, because of course, Robyn doesn't have to go
to the gym. She's just there for support.
But they Christine talks about the reason that she wants to be
at the gym is to look better, feel better and live longer,

(08:20):
right? So this is kind of like her, her
goals. And then Janelle just kind of
said the reason she wanted to gowas because she felt powerless
with her weight. And that she just just kind of
like we were saying like you just yes, it builds and you get
there. And then we're like, what
happened? And she felt powerless.
And it just happened. And you turn around and you're

(08:41):
like, wow, here's who I am now, I guess, you know.
And I thought that was interesting, the ways they all
kind of feel differently about their weight and why they're
doing it. Certainly right.
Like they similar, but not, I guess.
Yeah. So I don't know.
I liked I liked their reasons. So then we get introduced to

(09:04):
Bill, the personal trainer. Bill strikes me as a personal
trainer. I don't know that I had any big
reactions to him. He's relatively attractive, man.
I mean, he's built Guy tall and works out, so he's whatever that
would be. Certainly not my type, but yes
I'm sure some would consider himattractive.

(09:25):
I'm going like he is conventionally attractive.
He's what you'd picture. Yeah, I guess.
Right. Like I don't want to call him a
meathead because he didn't strike me as an asshole and so I
would reserve meathead for assholes, but he has that vibe.
But also, I feel like that's being a little too critical.
Well, he says he is not a drill Sergeant.
No, he is not. OK, unless you want him to be

(09:48):
right, he's not just going to scream at you.
But if you want him to scream atyou, he will.
Yeah, which I like. I mean, I understand that for
different people it takes different things.
As we move through the episode, there were definitely moments
where I was like, you know what?He, I think, is talking about
things with the right intention.However, there's also a sales

(10:13):
aspect to this. And so of course that's what
he's doing. You know, I just hope he's
genuine and what he's really trying to do because really he's
he's selling his services to people, right?
And wanting them to continue to come back because if he can hook
them and get them in, then he continues to have clients,

(10:33):
right? But his services are also
valuable. So I'm not I I just think
there's a little, I don't say manipulation, but there's a
sales EP bit to how he treats these women too.
OK. And reads them as people and you
know. Yeah, fair enough.
They start transitioning into being weighed in.
So they're all going to get weighed in as kind of the first

(10:54):
activity of coming to the gym, which in and of itself is like,
holy shit, like brace yourself. Like this is the first thing
we're doing. I can't imagine.
So as they're standing around and teeing up this happening is
when I started really, really looking at what these women were
wearing. OK, like really looking.
So we've got the tank tops, spaghetti string tank tops over

(11:17):
long sleeve black. I don't know if it's a lycra, I
don't know what it is, but like.Certainly gotten.
Oh OK, but like tight to their bodies from wrist to hip, like
wrist neck, entire body suctioned in by this black top

(11:38):
with long sleeve of the tank topover it.
That is Christine and Meri. Meri's is nuclear green.
It's like a nuclear bomb went off and it is coming out from
parts of her body. Christine's is purple or
something's less dramatic. Janelle is wearing like a white
long sleeve cotton top that I would wear to the gym.

(11:59):
It's very reasonable. In my opinion.
Janelle looked the best and it'sironic the way that the story
kind of unfolds about how she isthe one that is the most
overweight, etcetera. I feel like she looked the best
and Robyn, who cares, whatever. So it's like they're they're
doing these things, they're getting set up and oh, body

(12:21):
shaming, blah, blah blah. I am chubby.
I cannot wear things that suck into the nooks and crannies of
my body. If a shirt is going to have me
look like I have multiple like regions on my torso and I'm
probably not going to wear that and I'm probably not going to
wear it in public and I'm probably not going to wear it
while I'm being filmed. This is why I think Janelle had

(12:43):
the best choice in wearing a long sleeve T-shirt where she is
covering up her Mormon fundamentalist body.
You can't and. It was flowy too.
It was not. Formed it was not like going
into every. Even her pants were flowy.
Yes, it just seemed like, I don't know.
Like I said, I'm not body shaming.
It's just we all make choices, and those are bad choices.

(13:05):
You know, I I understand what you are saying and I agree that
for myself, I likely would not have made the same choices in
the same circumstance, right? Like, or even maybe sometimes in
my own backyard, but sometimes if there is just the reality to

(13:29):
it. And if you do, if, if you want
to be comfortable in working outand anything else would make you
feel like even bigger or something.
Do you know what I mean? Like sometimes you put on the
flowy stuff and you just look like a house and you're like, Oh
God, this is even worse. And you know, whatever I don't,
I don't know. And, and the truth be told, I
think women's clothing is a lot different for heavier women than

(13:53):
for heavier men. And so I can see both sides of
it. And you know, I guess at a gym,
if people are going there with the intention to work out and
things like that, I just, while we all can see it and hear it
and think it and feel it, I just, I don't like to comment on

(14:13):
it because there is something that just feels ick about it in
that sense, you know, I, I understand that I would not make
the same choices necessarily, but all the other things I just.
Said as you're wrapping up, I'm realizing that I'm a complete
asshole for. That's not what I meant.
That's not what I. Meant I know what I know.

(14:34):
That's not what you meant. There's just some line from
something about looking like a stuffed sausage.
And I feel like when I put on something and it makes me feel
like I look like a stuffed sausage.
I'm like, this is not going to work for this.
It's just not in this kind of situation, right?
OK. If I'm moving and I'm not,

(14:56):
there's no camera crew and whatever.
I might be wearing something that doesn't flatter me and like
whatever, but like. I truly believe the way that
things are designed for women's bodies, though, are so fucking
different that this is somethingthat I don't know that you can
feel what that means. So I'm not trying to, you know,

(15:17):
make it seem one way or another.They're literally like, I just
have been in that situation where I don't want there to be
anything close to my body for all of the reasons you
mentioned. OK.
And then I'm like, OK, so I'll try flowy.
And you try flowy, and then you look three times larger than you
are. And then you're like, well,
that's not right. And then you're like, well,
there's some that can come in close at your weight, but then

(15:39):
still just be puffy. And then it looks like you just
have a gut that's hanging over all the time.
And it's just as as a curvy woman, I was going to say
heavier set and then I was goingto say overweight.
And then I was going to say all the things and whatever, call me
what you want. As a curvy woman, it, it is not

(16:01):
easy to find something that feels good in that way.
Like, Oh my gosh. And so that's why similar to
you, do you love T-shirts. You find a T-shirt you love, you
buy it in five different colors and two or three of each, right?
I do the same thing. Because if you find something
that actually gives you that level where it's loose enough
but not baggy and not too flowy and not house wise, you're like,

(16:25):
oh God, OK, yes, I need these, you know?
So it's just complicated. I feel for these women.
I feel for these curvy women. And the the whole like covering
all of their bodies thing just adds such a complication.
Totally literally AT shirt probably would have been better
like a long T-shirt so that theyweren't exposing their body when
lifting arms. Probably would have been the

(16:46):
best thing to wear to the gym. That's what I would wear is AT
shirt that's not going to lift up and they would probably not
be able to because of their arms, which is like my guy dad
like and I can't tap someone seemy elbow like it's ridiculous.
Yep. Yeah, totally.
Lots, lots of levels. Lots of levels.
We haven't even made it through the 1st 5 minutes of this

(17:07):
episode yet, so this is gonna beYeah, sorry, yeah.
Apologies all around. I just realized that I'm like
God we haven't even gotten up like the first page.
So now the women are getting weighed in and we start with
Janelle and she weighs 271 lbs. She references that her physical

(17:32):
appearance is her Achilles heel and that she feels very
confident in a lot of ways in her life and in her skills and.
Talents every other single way in her life.
That her appearance is the only thing that she doesn't feel
confident with. And that she was mortified.
Well, yes, and ironically, I to me, I feel like she looked the
best at the gym. And so this was like the first

(17:53):
thing that I thought was like, it's funny that she to me looks
the best out of all of them in this environment.
But also, she does weigh the most and probably does need
corrections the most with her physicalness.
It felt a little bad for her because like we all, you know.
Oh, do not try to put me on a scale in front of anybody else.
Absolutely not happening you. Know, yeah.

(18:15):
But she did it even though it was uncomfortable.
She knows that this journey thatthey're starting or whatever is
challenging for her. This is not the easiest thing in
her life to do. So she's really kind of being a
trooper. Yeah, in my eyes.
And yeah. Christine is second to get

(18:39):
weighed in. She is 222.
Not her biggest, not her biggest.
She weighed more when she got married and you couldn't tell
from that wedding dress. She looked so skinny.
That was just mean. That wedding dress was terrible.
So now. That's an example of a horribly
shaped piece of clothing for a woman.

(19:00):
Yes, that's their own fault. Yeah, designers.
Giant like pillowcase like what the fuck are you wearing Oh my
God. But her mom made the.
Dress around the waist might have helped, but you know that's
OK. God or right below the tits, you
know. She swore she would never be
over 220. I thought this was so funny.
She goes, it's £2 higher than the weight.

(19:21):
I said I would never be above again.
OK, you know, I, I mean, she also just had a baby within the
last year, right? Like that's a different journey
for every single human being. And also, I don't care if she's
2/22. She looks fucking fine to me.

(19:41):
Like, I understand she's I'm thinking about her, her weight
amount, and then I'm looking at her and I'm going, yeah, she
looks totally average and normal.
Yeah, little bit on the heavier side, no big deal.
Like, I don't think anybody would look at her and think, oh
boy, she really needs to get this under control.
Like. Right.
Yes, little on the heavier side,but certainly reasonable I guess

(20:04):
for having a baby, especially inthe last year, you know, like.
You know, and she future references that she dropped
plenty of weight after truly actually that it was some sort
of thing that happened where she's like I lot she had some
sort of phrase. I do remember she got she she
had sometimes where she got thinner several times.
Yeah, so she lost some weight and I, I yeah, I don't, she

(20:27):
doesn't strike me as like, terribly overweight.
So, yeah, now Meri's weigh in aligns with what you were
talking about to me with the whole like, fibbing about being
a 10 when she got married. A size 10.
Excuse me, that she gets weighedin at 2:14 and she tells Bill,
oh, it says 213 and then they goto her couch moment to her

(20:51):
spotlight moment and she says she got weighed in at 2:13 and
I'm like, so why are we lying about 1 LB. 1 LB.
What is going on in your mind that makes you think anyone
cares about this 1 LB And we know we watched it film that
it's not true and. I say 210.

(21:14):
Well, why are? Yeah, like what is?
The point? Very strange in a way and it
reminds me of lying about being bigger when she got married to
make it seem like she's not sucha bigger person.
Now it's like we have eyes, we can see we just saw it.
We literally just watched it filmed and it's so weird.
It's probably something super innocent, like it's Meri's

(21:34):
joking nature. Like she's playing.
She's whatever. She's sure, you know, trying to
flirt with Bill and this is the way.
And then on the couch, she's just like, yeah, I was 213, you
know, like, like, I feel like it's just, I, I don't know that
I felt like there was bad intentbehind it.

(21:55):
Let's just. Say any real substance.
Right, Like, like, unless it's just totally.
I lie about so many things. This is I'm just lying about
that too. Like, I don't know.
I just thought it was her being like, it's 213, bill.
OK, I know we'll try. Well, I'm not.
Amen. I'm not dying on that hill.

(22:15):
Definitely not. Definitely not.
And our last wife to get married?
That too. That too.
Our last wife to get married andto get weighed in at the gym is
Robyn. We don't.
Even care. So, you know, she weighs in at
158, blah blah blah. I forgot that she was pregnant

(22:36):
because they don't even really show her up until this point
because it's all about the wivesthat are bigger, right?
So we have to hear their stories.
And I completely just forgot that she was even pregnant
because she's wearing like some black shirt that barely even
shows. And I'm like, oh, that's right,
you're pregnant. Like, which is so funny because
we're watching the show and I'm like, oh God, I'm an idiot.
But I also think I just forget about Robyn, right?
Like. And she was not highlighted.
She was probably so pissed when this episode came out.

(22:59):
She's like one of things, like almost no airtime.
That's so good. I'm serious.
Well I mean I forgot she was pregnant.
Like if she heard this, if she'slistening to this right now,
she's like, you fucking didn't even know I was pregnant.
Do you know what? And I, oh God, I was just about
to be super gracious and give Robyn some credit.
Oh yeah. Do you hypothetically, if I was

(23:21):
going to be gracious and try to give her some credit, OK, it
would be that she wasn't highlighted a lot in this
episode, particularly at the gymmoments.
Not even at the birthday party, though we're getting there, But
maybe specifically at the gym moments because she knew she

(23:41):
doesn't have weight to lose, she's pregnant, she can't work
out, she whatever. So she tried to stay in the
background and not be involved. That's me being gracious,
thinking she actually knew her place and to shut the fuck up
and just stay Outback because you don't have anything to do
with this. Yeah, that could be it seems a
little. Generous like seems.

(24:03):
Generous. Yeah, yeah, like seems.
Generous to say that that's whatshe was doing.
But that would be nice. I'm.
Not again. What is wrong with?
That was just a hypothetical is.It a full moon.
You're the one that knows when it's full moon.
I know After Robyn's weigh in, Meri has this moment, a
spotlight moment or a voice overwhere she's talking about how

(24:24):
she doesn't see Robyn as a threat to her relationship with
Kody because the way that Robyn looks is has no effect on how
Kody views her. And my assumption is that she
had to be prompted into this question in some way.
I don't think that's something she would just say out of
nowhere, but it's interesting the way that they use it because

(24:46):
it's like the question would have been like, are you
threatened by Robyn because she's thinner than you,
basically? They have to ask them just these
obscene questions to get them torespond in this way.
Christine also said she it was like almost an undertone to to
what she said, which was people might think that I would want to

(25:13):
look more like Robyn, but I don't ever want to be too
skinny. And so that's Christine's
perception of Robyn, right? But you're right, the framing of
the question, what was the framing of the question?
Because they're not just sittingthere saying, yeah, I don't care
what she looks like. I think I'm fine too.

(25:35):
You know, like it's not that. That's not what's happening.
And it kind of sucks because that just was seemed obvious as
the vibe to me was that it's like this isn't like kind of an
all. Doing their own things, they
don't care. They're not going to try to
throw any single one of them under the bus because of their
physical appearance. If anything, they'll make little
comments like, oh, I would neverwant to be that skinny or what?

(25:56):
I'm comfortable with my body. And it might feel defensive
because of the way that it's being postured in the episode,
but I don't get the vibe that they are really tearing each
other apart at all. Physically.
No, yeah. Like, I don't think that they're
really thinking about it. No, no.
If anything, I think they've been kind to each other about
it. Yes, everyone except for Robyn.

(26:16):
Well, yeah, she's had some moments.
Yeah, well, she has more in the future talking about stretch
Marks and letting your body go and this and that about Kody
remaining attracted to his wivesso he she throws them under the
bus in the future, but not yet. So she's still maybe being nice
right now or being oblivious or we don't know.
God I hate this it. OK, sorry I ruined that.

(26:38):
I know. My gosh.
OK. So then after we hear about some
of the back fat stories. No, I'm just kidding.
Oh my God, that's terrible. So after we.
The look on my face. You will not.
After we hear these stories fromthe women and about their
feelings and all of that, we areat a couch session with all of
the wives and Kody and we this is where we do.

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We do need to hear from Robyn Allie.
We do need to hear from her. She needs to tell us about what
Kody thinks of women and I I believe it's a direct quote to
say Kody likes Curly. Killing it this.
B looks so much like an L it's ridiculous.

(27:21):
You know what? You're writing fast.
Kody likes curvy girls. And we just talked about this in
a recent episode where I was like this fucking bitch and this
fucking bastard. He just has this narrative that
he tells her so that it's like, oh, look like you're the odd man
out. I would never be attracted to

(27:43):
you. Well, look at my wives.
They're curvy women, girls. No, it's it's see.
And I retract all of my previousstatements about Robyn trying to
be nice because now I've really I snapped back to reality and
she's manipulating. That's what she's doing.
So when she says that it's not, I truly don't know that it has

(28:05):
anything to do with a single thing that Kody has said to her.
But this is her way of trying toprove to the public and maybe
make her sister wives feel a little bit better that her
appearance is no better than anyof theirs.
And so please don't make me out to be the skinny bitch anymore.
Like I'm sick of it. That's what she is trying to do.

(28:25):
She is manipulating the storyline, making it favor her
more. Yeah.
And so I retract all my previous.
See, I just needed to get. Just yeah.
The thing is, The funny thing is, if we're Robyn's not on the
screen, it's easy to forget how horrible she is, right?
All she has to do is make one appearance.
I was. Like maybe she's being nice, no.

(28:46):
No. All she has never being nice.
Speak once and it's like, oh, that's right, she's terrible.
You're an idiot. OK, check.
Got it. Moving on.
So when they're back at the gym,they are going to start with a
goal of each trying to lose 20 lbs on Bill's recommendation.
Correct, but he hopes for more. He does hope for more, as any

(29:06):
good meathead would. It's so bad, Bill.
I don't mean it in a bad way if you're listening.
Well, isn't he pretty much the definition?
I know, but I know I have a softspot for like jocks that aren't
that bright. Like if they're
well-intentioned, that's like mytype.
He's just not my type because it's a little too much.
Like I need him to be able to like put on a suit and not look

(29:29):
like he's wearing his dad's suit.
I don't know any. I'd like to see him in a.
Suit well, this is it. I think he would look like he
was going to like prom or something, you know?
And it's like, oh, dude, like, oh God.
Alright. Bill.
Yeah, I'm sorry, Bill. I'm really not a hater.
It sounds like we're haters, butI'm not a hater.
I am throwing him into a bucket and I apologize.
I will retract. Bill, I'm picking you up out of

(29:50):
the bucket and I'm setting you down on the side.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
Poor Bill. Well, but then Bill does, you
know, he talks to Janelle about her, specifically with her
weight and how you know it's unhealthy and how he's most

(30:10):
worried about her in the group because of her BMI and her age
and how these things generally don't improve if you don't do
anything about them. And he does this in front of
everyone else. Yeah, yeah.
Not a sidebar. Yeah.
Just right there. Yeah, I, I, I feel like we got
short. We got short sighted.

(30:31):
We got short, we got the short end of the stick or something.
In knowing this situation, I feel like all of a sudden we're
just jumping into Janelle's unhealthy life and how terrible
things are for her, and it's like something else had to
happen before this. I hope.
He probably elaborated for each of the women a little bit more,
yeah. But then, yeah, definitely had
more to say to Janelle. And, you know, she kind of got

(30:53):
defensive like in the most like teeny tiny, like, I mean,
obviously I know that she didn'tsay it in those words or that
tone, but she was like, well, yeah, I know that.
Like, I I'm not dumb. I understand what you're saying
to me. And, you know, then she felt

(31:14):
kind of bad about it, you know, and.
I mean, I thought that she took it in stride, and I know what
you mean about the wee bit of defensiveness in there.
Yeah, but I think she handled itgreat because I think I would
respond if that's how I responded.
I would be very proud of my response.
Totally. Oh yes.
This is hard to hear. Yes, it's a lot, yeah.
And I think that she acknowledged her understanding

(31:36):
without going too far in the, like, defensiveness, you know?
I agree. Like in the moment, in the
situation, it was absolutely perfect and she seems like a
strong bad bitch. I think that it was in her
spotlight moments behind the scene afterwards that it was
maybe more the, yeah, like obviously I know, obviously I

(32:03):
can see myself. Obviously I'm aware and, you
know, that she doesn't feel great about it and it is her
weakest link basically, and whatever, blah, blah, blah.
So she acknowledges it behind the scenes in the moment.
She did absolutely phenomenally.But it was just like, like, I
just, I hate when people feel that way about themselves, you

(32:24):
know? And it was just, but she was a
trooper. She was a goddamn trooper.
And Janelle Amen impressed. You know.
Yeah, she said. It was horrible and an
uncomfortable day for her and she.
Kind of he kind of felt a littleguilt trippy like he kind of so
and and now I'm not saying that sometimes in order to get a

(32:45):
person to make a change, you don't have to speak very like
Bill, I'm not pissed that you did it, but it did seem kind of
guilt trippy, like, you know, almost who that you're going to
kill yourself if you don't stop this.
And while that's not necessarilyuntrue, it is also just it can

(33:06):
be a little harsh sounding. And if you already know it in
your brain and you know it in your heart, but you just know
you haven't been able to fix it,like, tough love is great to an
extent, you know? And so I felt like it was just a
little guilt trippy. Yeah.
But I overall, I think Janelle took it great.
And it the take away that I had was that she was motivated.

(33:26):
She may have found some motivation in this experience
and will circle back more to that.
But yes, that was my take away. Oh, God.
And so, you know, they're all back at the gym or they're still
at the gym. I don't even think we left.
I think this is still the same first day.
Yeah, we were kind of flashing back between spotlight moments
and gym moments, Spotlight moment, gym moment.

(33:46):
So it's a little confusing. I apologize.
But yes, it's a little bit that we were hearing behind the
scenes and in, yeah, real time. Absolutely.
So we're still in this very first visit at the gym, and Meri
is wearing this neon green spaghetti pink.
Oh my God. It was just so distracting to
me. So this is the worst color on
human being possible. Well, on Human Being like Meri.

(34:09):
So anyway, Bill is demonstratingwith Meri how to do something,
how to lift some weights, how tomove your arms.
And then Christine, he's workingwith Christine and she puts on a
show. She's very entertaining when she
works out. OK, but but the frame up of this

(34:31):
was pretty phenomenal. OK, OK.
Because as Meri's doing the arm weights, right, which we're
talking 5 LB arm weights, folks like she's just, you know,
probably 2, probably 2. But she was doing it and she was
focused and he was giving her direction and it was great.
And Christine is in the background saying, Oh my gosh, I

(34:52):
just watched Meri at the gym andI was so impressed, Impressed
with, like, she just looked likea pro.
She's been doing this with the trainer and she just looked like
a pro. And I'm so impressed with her.
And so when I'm watching her at the gym, I'm thinking, this is
going to be so easy for me. I've got this, I've got this.
And then Christine looks like a buffoon in every single thing

(35:15):
that she does. And Christine's balance is all
over the place. And so the trainer is trying to
motivate her, but then also prepared to catch her at any
moment should her balance not hold.
OK, So they have kind of this interesting start to their work

(35:38):
out. And I just say, and I think what
you were getting to was the entertaining.
So that was part of the entertaining moment of
Christine, right? But then she literally like
pushes the trainer over. Wait, so she looks like she's,
she does a set of reps of something where she's on her

(35:59):
knees and she's like extending and retracting her, her torso on
her arms or something. It's it's it's a basic workout
thing that you would do for someone or the first time at the
gym and she is struggling because she cannot balance her
own body or something. I don't know.
She looked crazy. And then at some point, yeah,
there's like she's done with hersaid, Or there's some sort of
positive. Look at me judging people at the

(36:20):
gym now. Honey, you judged everyone for
everything. I know I'm calling myself.
Out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyway, she's like, looks like she's gonna fall over or
does whatever and then catches herself and then like lunges,
slash falls in the direction of the trainer of Bill.
So it's just a this weird thing at this point where they're
talking about how she's so entertaining.

(36:41):
And I think she now says, I justlove watching you at the gym
because you're just so funny. You're always just like,
whatever. And it's like, yeah, she's
putting on a show to detract from the fact that you can't do
the basic exercise. And that's fine.
Maybe I couldn't either, but I don't think I would lunge myself
at the trainer. Then we cut to Robyn, who's
doing some stretches because, you know, she's pregnant.
So she can't really work out in the sense of being too

(37:03):
physically active because she's pregnant.
So he said something like, oh, yeah, we're going to get these
knots out or something like that.
She's like, oh, OK, so they've got her stretching.
And like rollers, foam rollers, OK.
Now here's where I have to take a pause and I need to look up
something a comment for us. OK.

(37:26):
So we need to address something from previous episode.
You are pondering what this timeline could be for Robyn's
pregnancy I'm. Curious.
I was curious. I was not sure that what they
were saying and telling added upto when she conceived.
Yes. So they reference moving on

(37:47):
Martin Luther King Day and that's why things were closed.
But that's January 19th, so thatis mid January.
And they, they were not going totry to have children before they
were settled into this move, right?
Correct, correct. Right, that was the talking head
point. Yes.
So because we asked these questions and didn't provide any

(38:07):
answers, welcome to the show if you're a first time listener.
Listen, we just ask and hope that someone answers.
And this someone is Samantha. What Samantha left us.
Samantha, thank you. Samantha totally provided some
details here that I think we canfollow.

(38:28):
OK. Oh, I can't wait.
OK. So Samantha tells us that she
believes that Robyn was knocked up roughly the end of January,
like January 26th because the birthday for Solomon.
King Solomon. Is October 26th.

(38:51):
So when we were when you were doing the ten month math, that
makes sense. But he was born at the end of
October, October 26th. So really backing up that is the
end of January. So if they moved January 19th,
whatever she might have gotten pregnant like the first week
they were there or right before she they moved.

(39:11):
I mean, it's really kind of a little hazy, but less dramatic
than we were thinking. Well, well, let's let's really
think about this though, Chris. OK.
Because when they moved, we are talking how they moved into the
shared house like the the vacation house for. 1.
Month, but Robyn was there the least amount of time of

(39:34):
everyone, anyone, and she was out probably within the first
week or so. She was the first out.
And Robyn got her new house. Yeah, and they fucked like
bunnies. Like the first opportunity they
had, like no furniture, like on the counter, right?
Yeah, and and lots of times. Yep.
And a several day period. Yes, because he was there

(39:55):
helping her with everything. From Yeah, one of his stopovers
for. Days.
And they just kept fucking and she got pregnant immediately.
100%. That's Samantha.
Yes. Samantha also says that if we
remember from the episode that Kody's birthday, they show it
like right afterwards, like the day after they move in, which is

(40:16):
January 17th. So the move is probably January
16th, somewhere around there, and she likely conceived Solomon
the last week of January. So that timeline aligns that
track with getting a new place and fucking like rabbits and
getting knocked up. Yep, Yep.
So while that took a little bit of a detour there, sorry folks,

(40:37):
but for people that listen, you'll appreciate that we did
actually someone else did tell us.
Someone told us, yeah, we did nothing.
They just told us. And we're just telling you now.
So that's how this works and thank you so much.
But also I don't think it provedmy theory.
I don't think it I think it is almost a little bit mid level,

(40:59):
whereas because I thought maybe they can see before the
holidays, but the math was not mathing on that right.
And so then it it seemed like itwas more of the move thing and I
still didn't necessarily think that timing was right.
But now here we go. And that sounds like maybe they
were telling the truth. God damn it, twice in one

(41:20):
episode. Thank you Samantha for helping
us out with. That no, we do appreciate it.
Totally, totally, totally. And I don't even care if I was
wrong. I still like to.
Yeah, they're liars and frauds, but yeah.
No one, no one's right or wrong.We were literally trying to
figure it out, so that's awesome.
Yes. So after Robyn does her

(41:41):
stretches, which were, you know,I don't know, being in a
somewhat fetal position or something, I don't even know.
Also wasn't he like abnormally close and stretching her?
Like I mean not abnormal. I don't think so.
I think he was. But like, as a pregnant woman,
he's like. You know, and sometimes you
know, I have had to do physical therapy when you're doing

(42:02):
stretches, so you know, you needlimbs pushed on.
I'm sure it's 100% like appropriate and realistic and
whatever. Their baby I.
Just want to call her into questions.
She was the. I am not.
That little Hussey. This isn't even a bias, it's
it's not an unbiased opinion. It is completely 100% biased,

(42:24):
yes. It was cute how when Janelle
when they were showing her working out with Bill that the
other wives were like, oh, I know that she doesn't want me to
watch so I'm not watching. They kind of reference out like
they're like not paying attention as a courtesy to her
and she thanks them. Like she's like, thank you for
doing that and totally understandable.
And like I would appreciate thattoo.

(42:45):
It's like, please don't sit there and stare at me while I'm
like struggling to do basic workout.
Like, Oh my God, it's enough. Like I've had Jim Bunny friends
where like they're like come to the gym and like, we'll do
things and I'm like, okay. And then oftentimes the most
common response I get is like, wow, you're stronger than I
thought you were. And I'm like, right, Because
they thought it was like some weakling.
I literally tell people I'm stronger than you think I am.

(43:09):
They're. Like I can get that.
I'm like, no, that's OK. I'm stronger than I look.
Thank you. I tell people this all the time.
But the most uncomfortable bit for me is that after they've
shown me something and then I got it down and then they're
just watching me and I'm like, Ijust don't like not want a
person staring at me while I'm doing this.
I don't know. But you know, then you get some
corrections on form. And that's why I look at the

(43:32):
beautiful physique, the Greek God physique that I have today.
Yes. Yes, that's what I say everyday.
There is some like fat drunken God, right?
Like the God of like debauchery or something.
Yeah, that's what you look like.Eyes.
If there's a name for that, let us know.
Please leave us a comment of theof the fat drunken loser God.

(43:52):
And thank you. But Bill seems really nice, like
he's. You know.
Trying to work with Janelle, he does seem really nice.
And he kept, it was funny because he would ask her if she
felt better and she's like, you know, and but but when she did
her spotlight moment after that,she was like, you know what, I
did feel better. And they, I don't remember if it

(44:13):
was in a spotlight moment or them having a conversation, but
Janelle spoke, I think about howshe just needed to get so much
more core strength. And I think it's funny because a
lot of times people like you don't know what your body needs
until somebody tells you. And so as she had been watching
the other wives go through thesethings and like Christine with

(44:36):
her balance and stuff like this,I don't know that she said
those, but I'm just projecting that.
I think that's where it has to start.
Like, the core of your body has to be strong enough to support
your body, right? Like, you can't make all the
limbs strong and then not have this be strong.
And so she was like, all right, that's where we'll start.
And she seemed OK with starting there.
And he seemed really respectful.She said he was respectful of

(44:59):
her limits and tailored it to her and all of that.
And I'm sure those are all of the things that a good personal
trainer does on a regular. Never been to 1, but I yeah, I
felt good for Janelle when she was done with that day.
I totally did. She says that she's encouraged
that it might actually work to continue doing this, which is
always a great thing when you'refeeling like, OK, this is this

(45:21):
might work. Yeah, yeah.
Now we get one of those classic brown whiplash moments where
we're getting into some sort of part of the show that was not
the description and is a whole other.
Topic Part 2 So we get 2 topics every show, right?
So Jim was one and this is othertopics.
So we're we've moved there finally.

(45:41):
OK, yes, yes. Now we're on our second
storyline for the episode, whichwe get to meet another Sister
Wives character, Danielle. I thought that they said she was
an Episcopal preacher when they started, but then, you know, we
did have to pause when her actual title came up, which was
religion professor and minister.According to their show, that

(46:02):
was her title. Apparently she reached out to
the Brown family to see if they could connect and chitchat while
she was in town for some sort offamily trip or something like
that. So if Danielle can reach out to
them, can we reach out to them? Well, I think, as we find out
through the episode, this was probably not orchestrated by

(46:23):
Danielle. I think this was some sort of
production thing, like they wanted to have them go
somewhere. Rain on my parade again, Chris.
It's fine. It's fine.
I just thought that maybe we could invite them to an Asian
buffet, right? And it would go great.
Yes, we'd even pay for it. Yes.
What's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with.

(46:43):
That and we could discuss their religion and theology.
Yes, that's what she did. Well, Danielle is away with
words that apparently we don't have.
Yet yet. Oh yeah, but Gwendolyn, if
you're if you're listening, we'll totally take you out to
Asian Buffet. Pick your mind.
Anyone really. So Danielle shows up at their

(47:05):
house. They have some brief greetings
and some voice overs as they transition to the Asian buffet.
So that great exterior shot withthe neon sign Asian buffet.
You were like Asian buffet. I mean, it's different for them.
First of all, the buffet seemed very intimidating.

(47:25):
Yes. They all share a bit about this,
but also it's not a Mexican restaurant.
It's multicultural in a different way for them, yeah.
Yeah. Janelle talked about looking
things up before going to the restaurant because of their
dieting, you know, keeping an eye on what they're eating these
days. They eventually start talking
about how Robyn has a smell sensitivity so she struggled

(47:47):
with being at the restaurant. Talk this pitch ruins
everything. Doesn't.
She does ruin everything. And I'm like, of course you have
sensitivities to smells and to foods and to the sun and to the
wind and to shade and to no sun.And that's why you can stay
skinny, because you can never eat because everything is just
too disgusting for you. Gosh, I would love to have that

(48:08):
problem, says Janelle. You know, like, this is so
bonkers. Well, it's even worse because
she's pregnant. Whatever.
But they actually, like, make ita point to clarify it's not just
because she's pregnant. Like she's like this all the
fucking time. Like this is not unusual.
Yeah, Meri tells us that this ishow Robyn is as thin as she is

(48:29):
because she has issues with foodsensitivities that she, like,
can't eat things and things makeher sick.
It's like, OK, well, once again,like, that's a problem to have,
so OK. But I love how we're talking
about the diet woes of the wives.
And the issue that Robyn has is that she can't eat because she
gets sick. The other wives all talk about

(48:49):
liking food. They're like, yeah, no, I like
to eat and I enjoy eating and I enjoy food and I'm going to
continue eating and. I would rather enjoy it and I
love delicious food and who doesn't love delicious food?
And I just want to keep eating delicious because food is
delicious and why wouldn't I want to have delicious food, You
know? And Amen.
They showed the wives going through the buffet and picking

(49:11):
things. And Meri talks about getting a
green salad at an Asian buffet, which like, well, that's a
choice. I mean, that is that is a
choice. And then of course, Robyn has to
oh, can you, can I have chicken or whatever?
She didn't take anything off thebuffet.
She had a special meal prepared for herself.
Yes, she did special dinner for a special woman.
It's literally like the same lo Mein they probably have on the

(49:32):
buffet in a separate pan, but she just couldn't stomach that.
Yeah, it did look like an ordinary dish, that you were
just like chicken lo Mein. Yeah, well, Danielle just
launches right into the questions.
According to Janelle, she launched right in, which is so
great. Love, love a woman, love a
Danielle that I'll just give it to you.
And so she asked some question about whatever.
Do you remember what she even asked?

(49:54):
I think that the question was about how a lot of people try to
equate their religion with fundamentalist Mormons, and why
is that not fair or why are theynot the same thing?
Yes, because Kody's responses and like really, I kind of just

(50:14):
didn't really pay too much attention to her question,
unfortunately. But Kody's responses are
basically, he basically talks about what it is that they don't
do that some other fundamentalist Mormons do
arranged marriages as his first example.
And then he keeps, he trails off, but they cut, they cut and
edit over it with a voice over. So luckily we don't have to

(50:35):
listen to an entire list from him of who they're not.
But it's clear that they do do alist and they just let us only
hear one thank. God.
But you say luckily, because I actually want to hear him point
out every single thing that makes them different from the
fundamentalist Mormons. Because in theory, when you look
at some of their shit, I look atthis and go, I feel like they're

(50:56):
probably pretty fucking similar.So I would like to know how
you're not like, I'd like to seehow he puts themselves in a
different atmosphere than the fundamentalist Mormons.
And so arranged marriage, yes, was the only example that we
got. I hope in some fashion we
understand the rest. And I'm sure I could just Google

(51:17):
it again, you guys, I'm sorry I'm not going to but.
Danielle, while they're at this dinner, invites them to come
speak to her class out east. She has she teaches a class out
east. I love the description out east.
It's very nice. And then she's trying to sell it
to them to come do this. Speaking at this university,
Bring your kids. You know how fun for, you know,

(51:40):
some of your high school kids that are about to go to college,
like can check out different places.
They didn't all seem super sold on it, maybe weren't sure of the
intentions behind it. I think maybe Kody said
something along the lines of, you know, talking to a crowd and

(52:01):
answering questions can be like a fine thing to do if they're
decent people. But if you have antagonists
there, it just. And obviously, I mean, yeah, I
don't want to deal with an antagonist either.
So totes, totes understand, you know?

(52:21):
But yeah, so they had apparentlygotten that invitation.
Vibe seen positive overall. They invite Danielle over next
weekend to visit now, which is so funny.
I'm like so how long is this chicken tongue visiting family?
Like, OK, she's there for two weeks or something.
She's like fuck yes, give me as much time with the family as I
can. Take care of course like she is

(52:43):
on this. Meri says that it's going to be
Leon's birthday and that some ofthe boys are returning from the
ranch and she says bring your husband and then Janelle also
says bring your. Earphones, actually, you know,
it's funny. What?
So Danielle says, oh, my gosh, that would be so great.

(53:06):
My husband would love to meet you all.
And then Meri goes, yeah, bring your husband.
Like, I don't know that it had been extended in that exact way,
but maybe just an assumption to a party like that.
Of course a spouse would come. I don't know.
But it was funny because they didn't invite her and her
husband. They asked her to come.
And she was like, my husband would love to.

(53:28):
Yes, yes, my husband would love to come.
Bring the husband and then bringyour earplugs.
And I think that was Janelle. I can't remember who said it,
but. Yep, Yep, Yep, it sure was.
Already on point. And then we're back at the gym.
So we're at the gym for our second visit.
Wait a minute. Back at the gym.

(53:49):
Back with Bill at the gym. No, just back at the gym.
Back at the gym. Featuring Bill.
Bill's working out with everyone.
We're going to get our moments with Bill.
This is where Christine pushes Bill over where they're doing
something and she like, shoves him and he almost falls over or
it's whatever. And it's like flirting.

(54:10):
Like I was like flirting. The look on her face when she
did this was like, girl, you oh,we have not progressed out of
teenage years. Kind of like we haven't.
It was like, oh, Bell and you were like in 9th grade.
It was like, no. It was total middle school
flirting. And actually, you can't do that

(54:31):
today. Today she's lucky it was the
year it was. I guess he could have, you know,
thrown a frivolous assault case on her and sued her for
millions. Phil, Phil, Phil.
I don't know what the statute oflimitations is on assault pill.

(54:51):
A new case comes up. We're like detained, not
detained. What?
Summoned. Summoned.
Summoned. Subpoenaed.
Subpoenaed Bill got the idea from you to charge her with
assault. That took a lot, but hey, I'm
not, I'm not going to do it. But if you want to do it, do it.

(55:11):
Assault charges. That is so funny, Oh my God.
Janelle talks about feeling moreconfident and she feels better
already from working out, just briefly, and that's great love.
That Bill asked her. Are you feeling more energetic?
Do do you feel like you have more energy?

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She was like, yes, even after the first time we were here, I
did feel like I had more energy and I know this right like
anybody that's ever done 2 days of the gym can get that like
energy that you get from it after the fact and you're like,
whoa, you mean I just had to move to feel energy bonkers.
You know, like we know that it'sjust the persistent keeping off

(55:56):
of it that becomes a challenge. But she was totally digging it.
And I love that. And he knew it because he knows
that if people kind of hang on to that and get a feel for it,
that they will stick with it because it's enticing.
They have a group hug. Oh, because Kody was certain
Bill was going to be so professional with all of his

(56:20):
wives. And then Bill just embraced them
all in his big, strong, musculararms.
Already squeezed them. Kody.
All four of them probably never felt more protected by a man.
It was a sight to see. It was a sight to.
See, it was like they were all in love.

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They just smiled blissfully and just thought.
Oh, Bill, Bill, all four of us sister wives have never been so
happy at the same time. From one single Matt Bill Bill.
Oh, Bill. Do you want to marry us instead
of Kody? But luckily Kody has nothing to

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worry about because Bill is a professional.
Professional, professional, professional Jesus.
So good. Now we're going to cut to next
weekend at Meri's house. It's Leon's birthday, Leon's
16th birthday, Sweet 16, Sweet 16.
They remind us that the boys will be home from Wyoming, from

(57:24):
the ranch. I feel like Kody said the five
boys would be home. Yeah.
Thank you. That's an odd detail because
then later we have 4 boys we. Only four boys on the couch did
one. Hunter, Payden and Garrison so
that's only four, but I do feel like Gabriel.

(57:45):
It seemed like Gabriel might have also arrived with them,
like the vibe when they were at the house.
So when the boys come back home,I got the vibe that Gabriel was
with them, like was the fifth boy.
But then when they're sitting onthe couch, it's like, why
wouldn't he be? Yeah, I just feel like there was
one boy that wasn't on the couchmoment, and that's why it was
confusing because I do think there were five boys and with
the ages it would make sense. Like this was a common thing,

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right? So, yeah, totally.
I mean, I don't know. But for this couch moment, Logan
says that they were at the ranchand he's filling us in.
I particularly took note of thisscene because the boys did not
seem very enthusiastic. And this is hot off the heels of
Christine's book in in real time, time of recording

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Christine's book Sister Wife. Her memoir has recently come out
and she talks about the boys going back to Wyoming in the
book and how these trips stoppedat some point because of some
uncomfortable situations with a little too much, a little too
firm of reaction and behavior from Kody's dad.

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Well, Logan said they went thereand worked for their uncle.
Yes. OK.
Their uncle took over. Grandpa's ranch or whatever,
right? So that was just an interesting
tidbit. I kind of thought when they went
there for the summers, they werelike visiting, but they're
working I guess is a different aspect, which nothing wrong with

(59:14):
that. But yeah add some questions
maybe to the mix. Logan seemed totally fine ish
with it. In the sense accustomed to it.
That, well, he's accustomed to it and also just like he was
still happier to be in Wyoming than he would have been to be in
Vegas. So it's not like it's, it's a

(59:36):
low bar. I guess it's a low bar.
He said get out of the heat and the city was.
Literally the only kid that saidsomething that we heard anything
about. Now I do have a question just
popped into my brain. Never thought about this before.
Is there the possibility that the parents have we talked about

(59:57):
this before? Do the parents have veto power
on what is shown from the children potentially?
I do not. I have no idea.
Could there be a potential? Way in which maybe other kids
were like, fuck that. I hated this trip to Wyoming and

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parents were like, Oh yeah, we can't hear that.
Like maybe I guess for a minor Iwouldn't be surprised if they
had some level of that, but no clue.
However, I felt like there was alot more to the story than what
we were given. Yeah.
Certainly we were painted a picture.

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Painted a picture where if you don't know things from the
future, you would just be like, oh, that's nondescript.
Like they went to the the branchand they came home and like,
that was that. But in all reality, those trips
stopped because of some cruel treatment by Kody's father.
Yeah. Now the math is mapping on that.
Yep, and Kody has never been themost like brutal.

(01:01:01):
Like I think actually when Kody started trying to be more like
his father, like during COVID and whatnot, is when he really
fucked his relationship with allof his children.
Kody, Kody, Kody, can you hear me?
So I think he doesn't recognize that he's doing the same thing
that likely his dad did. But there was a point in time

(01:01:22):
that they all love to go out there and be with these people,
right? So it's like history of
repeating itself all over again in every aspect and every
fucking level of this family andall my fucking God, guys.
When they went to the ranch on aprevious episode, we noted how
there wasn't one interaction shown of Kody talking to his
father, Right. There's definitely issues there

(01:01:45):
with his dad and multi generational basically.
And I mean even there's a reference at some point, it's in
the future I think, where Janelle talks about arguing with
him and she would be like go to hell and he'd be like I'll see
you there. Like he was like an asshole.
Like that was his vibe. Well.
Yeah, yeah. When the boys arrive at the
door, girl. Oh my gosh, it's like the cutest

(01:02:07):
fucking thing I've ever seen. Well, they there was a lot
happening. There's.
A lot. Isn't it adorable?
There's a lot of excitement. Their siblings reaction to them
coming in the door and these hogs and these literal body jump
up and down excitement. Like yes, it was a lot, but it

(01:02:29):
was so fucking cute. Yes, it was very cute.
There was a lot of excitement. It was very over stimulating.
Like to even just watch it on the TV.
Like I was like, Oh my gosh, like I kept, I kept like pulling
my head back like I was experiencing something.
Completely agree. But also like, how fun would it
be to have that? Like, oh it's my sibling, yay.

(01:02:52):
You know, like to be a kid againfor a moment.
I mean, they're fucking nuts, but to be a kid again?
Is that a full moon? I know I'm like, what's
happening? Ali's like to have the joy of a
child. Like did you guys?
I think I'm safe. I will send out a message on our
Patreon if I'm not. I mean, that's fine.

(01:03:15):
I will send out a tweet saying they need help.
But they don't know what to do about that.
Yeah, I know, right? They're like, OK, sounds good.
Allie's lost her. Mind like OK OK OK sounds good
have fun there's a reference to how Danielle is an only child so
having her show up in the midst of all of this and to witness
this actually she showed up first with balloons remember her

(01:03:36):
and her husband walked up so. Cute, by the way, so cute.
Like they arrived, they had. A full thing of big old
balloons. Party City Helium filled weights
at the bottom Balloons Bouquet days of balloons 2 of at least 8
to 10 balloons each. Very accurate.
Yes, a lot of balloons. And so their arrival was cute

(01:03:56):
because it's like, OK, they're coming with a gift of balloons,
good spirits, hopefully. And so, you know, Janelle is the
one that makes the most reference to how loud it is.
She kind of brings it up multiple times because it is
very loud and they have this great footage of Danielle like
talking to her husband and then like giving each other eyes
because it's like, holy shit. The eyebrow raise at one point

(01:04:19):
from her husband was like. OK, but also.
Not mean like they were being. Troopers, yes.
Like very mild reactions actually, all things considered.
They follow Janelle's comments about how loud it is with a ton
of footage of them being incredibly loud.
Like it's just like loud loud loud.

(01:04:42):
Now that certainly was over. A stimulation at its finest.
I give a little bit of grace to the moment at the door
craziness, but like the continued craziness throughout
the evening, Certainly I would have gone out back, smoked a
joint and not gone back into thehouse.

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Yes. So there's a lot happening.
There is footage throughout the house, like they're going room
to room, child to child, all thethings.
Then we eventually get to Leon'sbirthday, the like celebration
at hand, and apparently they have gifts that they're opening
or whatever. They're all kind of like doing
whatever, getting everyone calmed down, and Kody says OK,

(01:05:27):
we're all going to yell happy birthday.
And so they yell happy birthday instead of singing the happy
birthday song. And I'm like, well, that's got
to be a learned thing because he's probably like to get 20
plus people on board to sing happy.
First of all, none of us want tofucking hear it.
We don't want to participate. We don't want to hear it.
It's torture. We're just going to scream it
one and done. One and done it might be a good
thing to actually bring on boardis just going happy birthday.

(01:05:50):
I'm I'm down. I'm down.
Maybe we don't all have to sing that song in different keys at
different tempos. It's just a lot.
It's bad. So then, you know, it's a very
short lived. I think like Leon has a ring.
They don't even really show any details about gifts or anything
like that. Well, one thing I noted was that
Leon was starting to open gifts and had a card in their hands

(01:06:11):
and was reading like every single sentence of the card,
right? Like this must be a thing like
that. We we read the card, we read the
card, we read the card and then open this ring from Kody, Right?
Thanks, Dad. Thanks, Dad.
Then we cut to couch conversations and Meri talks

(01:06:32):
about how the kids are the glue that keeps them together.
I know, right? It was a very interesting way to
phrase it because Meri questionswhat they'll have after the kids
are gone and just kind of opens this discussion up in a way,
like, tease it up as like a thing.
And, you know, Christine was like, what are you saying or
whatever in a kind of silly, dramatic fashion.

(01:06:53):
But really it's like, what are you saying?
Like what are you saying? What I think she was saying was
we now, our oldest children are about to finish high school and
holy shit, it seemed like yesterday they were babies and

(01:07:15):
now we still have some babies. This time it just flies by so
quickly. And all of these kids do keep
them together. And so once they're all gone
like this, this is what tells methat they didn't think this was
all going to dissolve the way that it did.
OK, because they still have now.Maybe Christine did, but the

(01:07:38):
rest of them, they still had these moments of like, yeah,
what will that look like? Like we're at this point where
some are leaving the nest and like, holy shit, how did that
happen? And tomorrow it's going to be
the rest of them. And then what does that mean for
us? Yeah, for Meri in particular,
she only has one child who is turning 16.

(01:07:59):
Yeah. So while the other wives are
like taking care of small children as their biological
children, Meri's not. Well, no one.
She's kind of like, am I still here?
Like, do you still want me? Can.
Can I still? See your kid.
Talking to strangers on the Internet and her child is 16.
You know, she's going through a bit like crisis at 30 something,

(01:08:21):
you know, I mean, yeah. And fair enough, you know, fair
enough. But because these people don't
probably engage in healthy and serious conversations with all
that much regularity even while they're being filmed, it
basically turns into jokes aboutgrandkids and vacations and kind
of like a smooth. They're going to have four RV's

(01:08:42):
and travel the country together and yadda yadda.
Just kind of felt like, oh, we're just going to glass over
this and that's that. Well, here's the thing.
When we watch this, however longago did we think maybe they
would though? Do we think that maybe they
would? They would end up to doing.
They would end up in RV's together as grandparents.

(01:09:04):
I don't think I thought put muchthought into it.
I don't think I did either, but I certainly wasn't like, no,
you're not I don't. I don't think I was like, fuck
that. You all are doomed.
Like I don't think that was the.Case No, I did not think that at
the time. So I think I probably watched
that and was like how cute they will be.
Sister Wives in RV is in campgrounds.

(01:09:24):
They might end up on a porch anda chair looking at a mountain.
Rocking. Rocking chair, looking at the
mountain as this episode is wrapping up.
They have all this footage of Danielle and the family at this
birthday. The noise, the noise.
They had to really lower the volume so that Kody could have a

(01:09:45):
voiceover where he says we're taking Danielle up on her offer
and we're going to Boston to speak at her school or whatever.
So we finally hear the word Boston, which I was like, I
think they go to Boston. I don't know why they're not
just saying Boston. In a few months.
In like, whatever, But so in a few months or whenever they're
going to Boston, Danielle talks about how they seem like a very

(01:10:06):
nice family, that it may not be all polygamists that are like
that, but she thought things were going well with their
family and that she thought it would be a good idea to have
them come speak to her students or people at the school.
Well, she said that when the boys entered the house and
everybody was so excited and shewatched all of their reactions.

(01:10:32):
She said there is so much love in their home.
Like there's so much love in their home.
And I don't know if I can say that about all polygamists.
Right. Well, you can't say that about
all anything. But I can say that about them.
So she was making a distinguishing characteristic in

(01:10:56):
that. Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not vouching for everybody in the sense.
But you know what? These guys are fine.
Like what else? Allies favorite part of the
episode? God damn it, who's your mustard
seed? Janelle, yeah.
Good choice. I think she was a trooper and
she powered through some super uncomfortable situations.

(01:11:18):
And I don't know that she wantedto.
And I don't know, had it not been for this TV show that she
would have done that. Yeah.
But she did. And I'm proud of her for it.
And I know she's still like, she's had ups and downs and this
and that's. And you know what, Janelle?
You just do you. You be comfortable with you.
But. Well, and what's nice is that

(01:11:38):
this isn't just a short lived thing for Janelle.
She continues working on her physical health for many, many
years. So that's a good thing.
As do we all. As do we all.
We all do work on our physical health well.
I don't think everybody does, but OK.
We pretend that we do and then just exist how we exist.
Sorry, that's what I meant. That's what I meant.

(01:12:00):
Yes, my mustard seed. Oh God, because Janelle was a
good choice. Yeah.
I think I'll give my mustard seed to Meri because she did get
them started on this journey of meeting Bill and going to the
gym. And inviting Danielle to her

(01:12:22):
child's birthday party was definitely not prompted by a
producer. I'm sure she just organically
did that. And she didn't do anything to
offend me really, other than hernuclear green top and like her
outfits that were incredibly offensive to me.
But that's neither here nor there.
So I'm giving my mustard seed toMeri, and not even for big
reasons. I support that shit.

(01:12:44):
Stain darling. My shit stain.
It has to go to Robyn. Yeah, it does.
Also, by the way, did we barely see Kody?
Yeah, he wasn't around a lot, which is nice.
Barely saw him. So that's why this is an obvious
yeah, yeah. And it's going to go to Robyn,
but gosh, maybe it has to kind of partially go to myself for

(01:13:09):
giving her some credit where I do not believe credit is.
Actually, due there is a we cannot give mustard seeds or
shit stains to ourselves. Don't you think I'm partially
culpable for considering that she could have been well?
You did try to kind. I know you did try to mislead
our listeners. I I know this is where I get.

(01:13:32):
Intentional deception. One time, one time only.
Not doing it again but I'm goingto split it.
Yeah, you can't split it, so it's going to Robyn.
OK, that's nice. We all know why Robyn gets it.
It's very obvious. OK, fine.
And then I'm going to give my shit stain to Kody.
You know, I really do want to give it to Christine for the
assault. But that's just that's just

(01:13:56):
we're not that kind of podcast. We wouldn't do something like
that. So but.
She should know better. She should.
So it's definitely going to Kodybecause he's an idiot and he's
always an idiot. Well, just because.
Yeah, just because. That's always an easy.
This is it. You can just give it to give it
to Kody. Our Keep sweet moment this week

(01:14:16):
is an Apple Podcast review from Sam and Leo's mom.
So I'm assuming this is the mother of Sam and Leo.
The title is Mustard Seed, whichI'm so excited about.
It's always great to see MustardSeed and Sam and Leo's mom says
love this pod. Just the right amount of snark
and Sister Wives analysis. Love the besties vibes and the

(01:14:38):
humor. So isn't that nice?
Oh my gosh, you just like checked all the boxes Sam and
Leo's mom. Yeah, I'll take it.
I'll definitely take it. Much appreciated.
Thank you, Sam and Leo's mom. This episode is sponsored by
Chris. Do we have a sponsor?
We do not have a sponsor. Chris, we don't.
Have a sponsor? We do not have any sponsors, no.

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I'll get on that. No, I won't.