Sister Wives S3 E7 - July 4th Rebellion - My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim,
sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love

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you. Was what was in my mind when I

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saw the title July 4th Rebellion.
Well, that's more interesting than what happened.
It's like the word rebellion always makes me think of Star
Wars so I'm like oh Star Wars but no no definitely not Star
Wars. We are in season 3 episode 7 of
Sister Wives July 4th Rebellion.Rebellion.
Yes. Now not sure based on the title

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where we were going to go, but it does make sense.
The word rebellion, actually. It's funny because during the
episode I was like, what's the rebellion?
But the rebellion turns out thatit was against the heat, and so
they went up into the mountains to get away from the heat, which
does tie into what you're about to say with at Christine's house

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and her experience. Yes, well, I think the rebellion
is about the teenagers, so. Oh, there's funny.
I felt like oh ah. So there's oh, this title's
actually more well thought up that we that we.
Faceted. Well, maybe I'm just looted.
Loony bands, Loony tunes. You know, we've really got to
give credit to Puddle Monkey Productions 'cause I can say

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that title. Good job.
And maybe they, they, they pleasantly surprised us with
this one. So we started Christine's House
and it is hot in Las Vegas. It is so hot coming up to the
4th of July. It is hotter than a whatever is
hot in a phrase that someone says.
Which is titty. Well, I think that's cold, but

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yeah, so, you know, Christine tries to fry an egg in a skillet
on the sidewalk to demonstrate how hot it is because it's so
hot that surely an egg must fry on the sidewalk.
Turns out that did not happen. It did nothing.
And she was curious. Like, I wonder what people think
of this. And it's like, yeah, well, they
think what they think. Kody says they're going to go to

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Big Bear Lake. Big Bear.
That was a funny way to say it. They're going to Big Bear Lake
in California, up in the hills, up in the mountains for a little
getaway to escape the Vegas heat.
I don't think people usually saylake, they just say Big Bear.
Yes. We're going to Big Bear.
We're going to Big Bear, of course.
Like I've been there. Well.

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I have not. I do think that you're right,
but Kody definitely said Big Bear.
Lake, I believe it, I believe hedid, but it just doesn't sound
right because that's not how people.
You go to Big Bear. Typically say it, yeah.
You are right. You are right.
At least the Real Housewives. He's in the Bravo verse.
Let's. Yeah, it's Big Bear.
Come on. Like Kyle Richards goes to Big

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Bear. Yeah, she doesn't go to Big Bear
Lake. Thank you.
And in traditional Sister Wives fashion, we are going to swap
back and forth between some storylines and kind of out of
nowhere, so brace yourselves. All of a sudden we're talking
about how Isabel and Brianna aregoing to go stay at meri's
house. So Isabel is moving into meri's

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place and Brianna finds out about this, and so she wants to
move too. And both of these mothers are
supporting this situation. Now, do we believe that the
girls are moving into meri's house?
We have to say no right off the bat.
Well, no, of course they're not.They're having like 2
sleepovers. Yeah, and it's a production bit
for a storyline and that's that.They do try to convince us that

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this could be true based on their problems.
Big, big explanations. Yes.
And we don't buy them, but it's fine.
Kody says that Isabel fights with Christine and it's the
funniest thing. And Christine says it is not the
funniest thing. She's like, I know this sounds
ridiculous but this 8 year old and I cannot get along.

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Yeah, now I get it. So OK, sure, yes, send her away
for a minute, totes understand. Yeah, I mean, we're not talking
about boarding school, we're talking about meri's house.
And it is definitely like a temporary one off 2 off type of

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thing. But the rationale of being like,
I cannot live with my child because they're driving me crazy
and mad and I'm driving them crazy and mad resonates, I
think. I think everyone would want to
send their child away at a time.If you had the option, and so
Christine actually has the option, right?
And Christine grew up with two moms and actually shares the

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story in which her mom sent her in a sense, or she had a close
enough relationship with her other mom in which her other mom
was like, hey, you need to be a little nicer to your mom.
Like this is nuts. Like stop it, you know, And she
was kind of hoping for this to be semi that type of experience

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for Isabel. It sounded like.
Does that sound? Yeah.
I mean, with her having had thatoutcome, I don't know that she
was thinking that would happen, but it is something that she
told us about. Yeah, while Christine is talking
about that, she tells us about how meri gives Isabelle things
that she can't when it comes to rules and like structure and

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kind of the way that Isabelle probably is the most comfortable
in going through a day. If you are a person who needs
structure and needs rules and needs quiet and needs attention
on what you're doing, I can imagine being in Christine's
household would be quite challenging because it doesn't
seem like that's the way that her household is operated.

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Agreed. And, and I'm trying to say that
without coloring anything too positive or negative, I just
think it's the way it is. Like, certain kids are going to
do better in certain people, do better in different
environments, you know? Yeah.
And then also as an individual, sometimes you understand that
your environment isn't going to change, so you have to change in

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how you operate within your environment.
Like it goes both ways, right? Yeah, like to an extent,
sometimes people just work through that, that nest.
But yeah, it's, it's interestingto have kind of the option of
people that deliver different things to you when most of us
just have our parents, if we're lucky, mom and dad, you know?

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So it's just as interesting the other supportive levels that can
be there and function positivelywhen things are working the way
they should be or something, right?
Like, you've got to think that lends some level of positivity
for these kids at times in theirlives.

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Well, and how this is being usedin production, it's weird
because the way we're going to talk about it, it's like this is
a little unreal. So it's a little unreal.
So we're approaching this with the knowledge that this is not a
living situation that's permanent and whatever.
There is a difference between the big house, the big beautiful
house, the compound in Lehigh totoday where they're in separate

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homes. And particularly with meri being
a mile away, where someone like Isabel couldn't just go knock on
meri's door and then come in andmeri's like, come in, honey.
And, you know, let's chat. You know, that doesn't get to
happen. So I can see where this is
something that came up from the production lens or even from the
parents as a suggestion of something they could do and.

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And maybe even just from meri herself to be like, I miss the
kids. Could I have the girls come?
I know Isabel's been a little bit of a Dick lately.
Could I have her come and hang out?
Brianna wants to come too. Great.
Like maybe there's a genuinenessbehind it.
Who knows. They literally redo the room.

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Well, this is it. So that we cut to meri's place
and they're taking down the American accoutrement.
All of the red, white and blue things are being put into totes
cause the guest room that's. The Rebellion.
That's the true rebellion. Both been wrong this whole time.
meri finally put the red, white and blue away from her spare
room. Gosh, she does not love America.

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That's what I'm saying. So then at one point they cut to
the couch where the adults are talking about this situation and
the topic of like what to call another sister wives children
comes up. And I feel like it's instigated
by Kody once again, it could be prompted whatever, but Robyn has
a term. So they're, you know, they're
talking about how there's not really a term.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Robyn has invented a term.
Yes, once again, in typical Robyn fashion, she is sitting
with three other wives who have taken care of other people's
children for a very long time. Waving her hands.
Oh, yes, Kody, who has been a father to all these children and
whatever that means. But Robyn is the one that's

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going to tell them all that she's come up with a term, the
one who just entered polygamy, and she's saying that it's bonus
children. She calls them bonus children.
And it's kind of like Christine does like a fake agreement.
I, I, you know, like, oh, that'sa great one.
And I'm like, really? Do you think that?
I don't think you think that. Luckily it wraps up with meri

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being like, I just called them my kids and I'm like, thank.
You just my kids. Thank you, meri.
They're just my kids, Yeah. They're not my step kids.
They're not my sister wives kids.
They are just my kids. Because inherently for this
relationship of these families to work together, that's
actually what they have to fucking do is believe that

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they're their kids and these sister wives of yours are
additional mothers to your kids and you're all in the same
fucking family together and not fighting each other.
And Oh my God, they do not win that battle.
No. And it's like they used language
like that when we started the show, you know, they were very
clear about how they they had very little delineation between

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parent roles and all of that. But now it's like there's this
other ring that is led by Robyn.What a shock.
Shocking. And it's a great transition into
how Robyn says. Leave what she says.
Next Oh that she has an ulteriormotive.
Ulterior motive. Which I love because when Robyn
uses words like ulterior motive,it's like, oh, those words have

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multiple syllables. But she says it's snarky and
like, well, I have an ulterior motive and it's like so over the
top that you're like, does she really though?
She doesn't though, ha ha. Like it's a ha funny, funny joke
joke Bitch, please no you. She also then says that it's her

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evil plan. This is my evil plan.
And it's like you fucking cunt. Like yes you did.
Guess you did do. That you did have an evil plan,
but this one probably was low onyour evil scale.
Honestly, it's like. But she calls herself out in the
most minuscule thing. Yes, as an example of.

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Yeah, like look at me. Classic Robyn.
Very manipulative, all the things.
So, you know, she is having Brianna go to stay at meri's
house to prevent meri from having empty nest syndrome.
Now that makes sense. And I mean, she does have a
couple bullet points with this, you know, like the whole like,
I'm going to keep meri so busy with the kids that she can't be

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lonely and she can't just be herand Leon.
We've got to get other people involved.
And I didn't think that was so terrible.
And it is kind of funny that she's using it as this example
of how she's ha, ha, ha. And it's like, is this even bad?
Like I don't. I don't.
I think Robyn is Piggy Bank. Piggy banking.
Yes, she is. See.
Look, I gave her too much credit.
To this day, she's piggy banking.
And I think she is piggybacking right now though on the fact

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this was not her idea, this was meri's idea. meri wanted to have
some of the kids over because meri has been missing the kids.
And so I maintain she wanted to do this.
And Robyn is now taking credit of some sort.
Yeah. I don't want her to feel empty
nesting. Ha ha, ha.

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Like, look at me pretending to recognize that that's actually a
concern of hers. And I contributed and I helped,
and it was part of my evil plan.No.
You liar and you fraud. Yeah, yeah.
She's so full of shit. She is full of shit.
So that's what I have to say about that.

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So many shit stains with that girl.
So many shit stains. They're everywhere.
However, on a more positive note, meri and Leon put together
this adorable room. Yeah, for those girls.
Yes. They show up with their

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suitcases at meri's door. They surprise her by hiding
behind. She calls they.
Jump out like from behind the post.
Yeah. And you know, it looked great.
And also I think that maybe a part of them doing that room,
regardless of how long this moving in situation lasts, which
we know, is it so long? No, but regardless of that, like

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this can be her opportunity to even like the room is a little
girly, but like boys could come and chill and stuff, you know,
like maybe it's opening the doorfor that.
I don't know if that ever happens or not, but I'm trying
to be optimistic. In reality, if you are a sister
wife and you have all of these other children that could
theoretically come to your home having a room like that.

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Thumbs up adorable. It was not terribly gender
specific. It did lean a little girl in the
additional sense, but they were so excited about the room.
It had like low key deadbeat loser energy when it when it
comes to the HGTV reveal, you know, like they were going for
the reveal. The girls were excited, but
really it was like, you know, some cubes and some desks.

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And well, no, it was some cubes and some desks, but some pops of
color and actual thought and attention.
I'm not surprised that this is in meri's house.
Let's. Be real not and also it was
probably like a three to $400.00situation or something she.
Might have been had most of. It all right, like it was not

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outrageous, but boy, these girlswere like holy fucking.
Shit, they were excited and it was cute overall.
Like it was a cute moment. Amen.
I found myself chuckling in my mind about how the perk of the
lifestyle is to like, just ship your kids off to a sister wife
when you're like whatever. I would have loved that.

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I still actually, well, yeah, I just ship him off to his other
parent, I guess, you know, but this is that is necessary.
I'm going to assume 98 out of 100 parents would agree that
there is a time that I would have loved to have said bye bye
bye, even if it's just for a weekend.
Bye. A break.
Get out. We could we could use this.
This would be lovely. Thank you.
Yes, Amen. There was a moment in the

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kitchen so the kids were all excited.
And then meri checks them into bed and turns the light off, and
they're still kind of like, super excited.
And she's in the kitchen cleaning up.
The camera is just looking at her.
And she goes, yeah, I don't knowif I'm up for this.
Yeah. Totally.
It's like, all right. It reminds me of one of those

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moments where being an uncle, right, Yeah, nieces come to
visit and I'm very excited. And then like 2 days later it's
like bye bye bye. Yes, like, yes, love you.
Can but Oh my God, it's it takesover your whole life.
Yes it does. So you know, yes it does.
And meri's got practice and she's reminded of how long it's

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been since she's had these age kids around.
So you know, for sure, that was pretty cute.
They transitioned to a point nowwhere the adults are talking on
the couch about the situation. And I feel like it seems like
they're all trying to be very nice and speaking about meri on
the couch and being like, you know, oh, Christine even says

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something like, well, in a way, maybe this is like, well, you
know, maybe truly could have been yours.
She could have been from your batch and whatever.
And it all seems kind of stupid in a way, but also like they
were trying to be nice when speaking to meri about this
opportunity for this thing, you know?
It was confusing to me. I didn't think that any

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comparisons that were made landed.
I didn't think it made a lot of sense, and I was just kind of
like, what you're adding more ofan explanation behind something
that doesn't actually need an explanation.
That I felt that too. This is why I was like, I feel

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like they're trying to be nice but it was all a bit unnecessary
and. Just doesn't need to be said.
Yeah, Editors could have taken that out, frankly.
Yeah. It's like obvious, we we
understand why you did this. We understand why it makes
sense. We understand why a different
parent has a different perspective and a different
whatever. And we understand that there are
different levels of parenting that happened within your

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fucking cult. And you know, like I.
Feel like now you're like, I've got to use the word cult.
No what I mean like but. Within their family, as cult
members, Yes, it's true. It's.
Talk. Yeah, You know.
They're cult members. Oh.
That's it. I don't OK.

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Cut to Christine's house at 5:00AM.
What's fun is that we actually see the sun kind of coming up.
It's like that early morning where it's like they're not
doing it in the dark of night. Now they're planning to go on a
trip. Yes, they're able to leave while
the sun's coming up. While they're showing this
montage of footage of them gathering things and doing

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things, they're loading things into a U-Haul trailer with all
of their things. And I thought this was
hysterical, that it's like a weekend trip or something
requires a U-Haul. U-Haul.
Beautiful tents and our equipment and our folding.
Chairs camping. Camping because this is what's
happening at Big Bear now. They didn't really give us a lot

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of details at the beginning, butwe do surmise that they are
camping. Well, so this is what's funny.
I didn't even note EU Haul in that moment.
I noted EU Haul moment after. We'll get there.
But Janelle is yelling at one ofthe children to put things back
in. EU Haul and she just keeps

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saying I'm like U-Haul, U-Haul you.
Oh my God, they had to take a U-Haul to go camping?
Yes. Now, to be fair, it is just one
of those pull behind trailers. Correct.
It's not a full U-Haul. No, yes.
Like if you have a hit you, thisis it.
I, I, I moved in one once, but like, Oh my God.
Yeah. But it's probably like a $29.00

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a day rental or something, you know?
It's just funny how most of us would put this in the back of a
van in the back of a you'd fit it in the trunk on one of those
things at the top you have for on top of your vehicle.
The like the thing you put on the top.
Like a carrier? A car carrier for them.
They're like go straight to EU Haul trailer.
Now part of me is like, this is genius.

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Well, I know I'm like but. Also, I don't have a hitch that
would sell my entire problem. You know, you know things can,
things can change well. I know we see them first get
together at 5:00 AM and then thegoal was to be gone by 6 AMI.
Don't think they told us when they actually left.
No, I don't think we actually got the time update.

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Yeah, we did not get any time updates after their goal, but it
is insinuated that they did not reach their goal as they never
do because the older kids are lacking enthusiasm about
camping. They're kind of showing them
doing the traditional teenager thing, particularly with the
Brown family, where they're sitting waiting for the adults
and the younger children to do whatever that they're, you know,

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compile their life and put it inEU Haul trailer.
And understandably frustrating as a teenager when you're like,
OK, we, I was told to be ready and I'm ready and we're sitting
here and we're going camping. I don't even want to camp now.
I like camping, so it's a littleweird to watch the show when
they're complaining about the camping because even as a
teenager I was enthused about camping.
I don't know. Did you like camping when you

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were like a teenager? Oh my gosh, I don't know that we
did it that much when I was a teenager, but I, I think the the
more so overall point with the family and just kind of how
things go with their teenagers is that it doesn't matter what
you're doing. And maybe they liked it one day,

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but they don't like it today. And do you know what I mean?
Like it doesn't matter what The thing is.
Now also, to be fair, I liked camping with my friends.
I did not go camping with my family as a teenager and I don't
think I would have liked that actually.
Well see, I did like as a younger.
I did as a young kid too, but. I don't, I don't think we did

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that like in high. School I camped with friends,
but that was like us being totalangels out in the park.
And I say I camped with friends I probably like, passed out in a
van during I like. Cuz I camped in a tent but yeah.
I slept in an old house, You know, they didn't have a
bathroom. It was an abandoned house, but
it was next to the folks house. Oh yeah.

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That's our party house. Yeah, a party house.
Great. This is it, you know, you know.
Yeah. Oh, I know.
You know the park that I've stayed at?
Yes, I do. And, you know, everyone was
sober, especially the minors. And that's the most important
thing. Kody Brown approved.
The teenagers are lacking enthusiasm about their camping,
of course. And Kody, this gives a great

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opportunity for another wonderful quote from Kody.
Teenagers have this hormonal issue.
They get angry for no reason. Very true.
Is this the first thing Kody said?
Where I'm like, Amen? No, it's 100% true, and I can
only say that it's 100% true because I'm living it in my
daily life. Yes, you are.

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Like. Yes, you are.
It's 100% true. Now, do we sometimes have to
take time to reflect upon on certain circumstances that cause
strife to our teenagers and realize that maybe we could have
an effect at times? Yes, we do, as parents have to

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acknowledge that. But I will also say that it's
just really fucking unpredictable and nearly
impossible. Yeah.
To to like predict a day I I feel for these parents of

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multiple teenagers at the same time, just like shoot me I could
not and. I think as you were saying
before, you know, an activity number one on a Monday we love
it, on a Tuesday, we hate it. Activity #2 the complete
opposite. Like it just doesn't even matter
the day the thing. It doesn't.

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You know, angry for no reason. Yeah, there is.
There's no rhyme or reason. There isn't.
There literally isn't. And so you think you have it
figured out one day and you're like, won't do that tomorrow,
and then you don't do that tomorrow.
And they're like, why didn't youfucking do that today?
And you're like, God, what am I supposed to now?
Yes, yes, yes. So it's just really comforting

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and fun to try to navigate that minefield every day.
And I'm pretty sure my parents would say it was paid back, you
know? You know, I think you could
quote 9 out of 10 mothers with that quote.
This is what you did to what youdid to me.
I feel for them as parents with these teenagers now.

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I think they have enough to distract them with like the
littles that they don't get likebogged down into the shit of it.
Like I think maybe meri gets bogged down into the shit of it
a little bit more because she, you know, it's just Leon there
and that's all because that's how I feel.
But maybe Christine and Janelle are like, I know, I mean, there

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are a lot, but I've got other fish to fry too, so like, I'm
not. Yeah, it's just part of their
picture, right? Their.
Picture like you're splitting itsix ways instead of one way.
Yes, So Woofta. And meri lets us know in the
next kind of spotlight moment about how the kids are still
upset due to the move. And so then they start doing a

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collage of the kids, like kind of looking grumpy looking
parameter butter, butter. And Janelle says that Hunter is
angry, like she points out Hunter specifically.
So they do spend a chunk of timein this episode talking about
Hunter specifically and his behavioral issues.
And I'm putting behavioral issues in quotes because he's a

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teenage boy. He's.
Just sharing his feeling. To be perfectly honest, he is.
Maybe. It's not a frustrations.
But also, he's a teenager, theirbrains aren't even fully
developed, so you know. And they and meri is, I think
that what she's saying is not untrue.
They just uprooted their life. And the kids circle back to this

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later in their conversations. It's like they pulled us out of
our life. We're living here and we're
supposed to have this, like, amazing attitude.
I mean, Maddie literally says you're just stuck here in this
hell. In this hell.
And they like the teenagers right now.
They don't feel like they just need to suck it up, Buttercup,

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and do what Mom and Dad are telling them to do.
They're they're mad. They're mad and they're unhappy.
And some of them are handling itbetter than others, just as
people do, right? And so, yeah, Hunter's getting
kind of the bad end of the stick, but Maddie's actually
being a little more honest aboutit and saying, yeah, this
fucking sucks and none of us arehappy, you know?

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So I feel for them. I have never experienced that as
a teenager. I can't even imagine just how
uncomfortable so many things in teenage life were for me in
general without bad shit like that.
Adding in some of this, oh, like, my God, I don't know what

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I would have done, you know? So bless them.
So now we move into some footageof them driving to Big Bear
Lake. Or, or that's right, let's
continue on our adventure that certainly we end up in the right
destination on time with no challenges in between, right?
Is that what happened? Is that what happened?

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This is a Brown family trip, so it's going to go smooth, easy.
Breezy, beautiful cover girl. Cover girl.
Unfortunately, this time, for the very first time, what the
Browns come to a no. Way.
They come to a Creek now they'regoing like Kody says something
about like, they're switch back so there's dirt roads and we had

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no idea it would be so blah blahblah.
And I'm like, no, they've. Driven in the mountains enough
time. So first of all, right, if I
have been victim of at least onetime seeing a destination that's
like 1.5 miles away, but then itsays like 45 minutes and I'm
like, what does that mean? Oh, that means you're driving
them. I had no idea, right?
And it was like I almost had heart attack.

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Terrible. Terrible.
Terrible would not do well with that, yes.
They have done this multiple times.
They go in the mountains all thetime.
There is not an excuse for them not understanding the distance
and the switchbacks and the destination into which they're
going. There's not an excuse for them.
Well. I'm not going to.
No. I'm not going to make it sound

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like it's some terrible thing. I I think they just didn't
realize it, like, I don't know, but Amen.
Amen. To justify their their Rd.
challenges. OK, yeah, I don't.
I feel like you're putting me inan awkward position.
I am. You're making me say whether
this is good or bad. I'm like, I don't know, they
just underestimated the switchbacks.
But let's say it's terrible and horrible and they deserve to run

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help. Thank you.
Yes, so well, they're on this journey of unnecessary.
Oh no, I feel guilty. I'm kidding.
Send help. They are by a Creek.
As they're driving, they approach a Creek.
Now it looks like they're just supposed to drive through it.
I don't know what the usual status is of this Creek.

(29:40):
I've never driven somewhere and then had it been assumed that I
was just going to drive through a body of water?
So I don't really know what thatmeans.
A little weird. What?
Like have you like you drive up to creeks all the time?
Like I've never driven up to a Creek.
OK. But it, the whole framing of
this is funny in a sense, right?It's that the road that they are

(30:02):
supposed to travel down has a bit of water covering it, right?
And so we're now calling this a Creek like this is like a travel
path to their campground. Yes, to drive through a Creek,
that is not accurate. There is water covering the road

(30:25):
to where they are trapped. That is true.
Well, they they. OK.
You know these bastards, they put in film footage of running
water, but it's not where they actually are because there is a
moment where there's like a stream like it is.
Well, no, this, I think this is where they are and it is running
water and it is all of that. But this isn't like the path to

(30:46):
the campground is through a Creek.
Like clearly this is, they're inthe mountains and water is
coming down and melting in some sort.
And like, this isn't, it's not the road to the campgrounds
underneath the water, right? Yes, OK.
We agree on the Creek has like ahigher water level at this point
or something. It's flooded, Yeah.

(31:06):
It's flooded, Yeah. And so they come to a flooded
place in the road. Yeah.
It's not that we're driving through a Creek.
We come to a flooded place in the road.
OK. OK.
OK, does that help the semantics?
I'm struggling with the semantic.
No that you're painting a good picture.
So thanks SO. Accurate.

(31:30):
It's very accurate. So there is water covering the
road to the campground. And this is a big conundrum.
Of course it is. And so everybody gets out and
walks through the Creek, AKA walks over the road to see how
deep the water is. And there's varying opinions.

(31:54):
Interestingly enough, there's ditches on the side of the road
that's covered in water in whichit gets deeper.
And so sons are going and walking and say, yeah, just as
long as you stay right here. Weird.
It's the path of the road. It just just stay on the fucking

(32:17):
road, right And you'll but you do.
Want to evaluate the depth of the water because we hear this
all the time about people, but. Literally like this is like a
big fucking deal, yeah. The whole fam Damley is.
Everybody, kids are, are hobnobbing in the Creek now.
We're fucking kicking. We're digging it like this is

(32:38):
fun, like we don't know what we're going to do and how we're
going to survive. And Christine gets fucking
pissed. She's like, I am done with all
of you, shut the fuck up. And she gets in this car and she
says I'm just going. Yeah, it's a 4 door Toyota.
Yeah. Small.
She's yeah, she's not like in the Lexus, but she's not like in
the SUV. No, she flies through that

(33:00):
fucking water. Dramatic music.
Dramatic music. Before the commercial break,
like cut to commercial break, she drives the tree, blocks the
view and it goes. The music is like horror film.
And you guys, you never believe it, but it was no big deal.
She just drove across. And.

(33:22):
She drove quickly across, but she just drove across.
Then she got out and she was like, yes.
Yes, she said. It was.
And then she was like, well, allof you shut the fuck up and get
into those cars and drive through this fucking water so we
can get to our fucking campsite.Yes, the whole thing is very
lame, particularly just like Christine was like, this is

(33:45):
exhilarating and all these things.
I'm like, oh God, girl. But I mean, I, you know, I'd
geek out about it a little bit too, but it just was so drawn
out. Before Christine drives, though,
before she crosses this dangerous Creek, the Creek of
danger. The road with water on it.
Yep, that that also known as theCreek of danger.
Thank you. There's a point where Kody's

(34:07):
talking about what's happening and he has the Lexus with
because what, what, what, what, what?
What would camping be at Big Bear Lake in California without
driving the fucking Lexus? I'm going to drive a sports car
that seats one additional person, and then I am going to

(34:31):
require one of my wives to drivea Chevy Tahoe with a U-Haul.
Yes, on the back of it. Yeah, absolutely.
And then the others to drive theother falling apart vehicles
that you can cram as many human bodies like sardines into.
But he can still travel in that fucking Lexus.

(34:57):
Yeah, in his Lexus, in his two seater Wienermobile, that's what
he drives in. So he's talking about how like,
oh, this Creek of danger, the Creek of death, what am I going
to do about the Lexus? Will the Lexus make it?
The Lexus and the Lexus? And then he's like, you think
this is my fifth wife as he pulls on a tundra of his

(35:17):
beautiful hair. And then he goes, my sports car
is my fifth wife and. Everyone died collectively
together on this couch and we will never discuss this show
ever again in our entire lives. Let me call you sweetheart.

(35:38):
Yeah, that's the end of the episode.
That's the end of the show. See y'all later.
It's been real and it's been fun.
Oh my God. Well, unfortunately, Ally, that
did not happen. God damn it.
Now you're the one hallucinating, not me, So you

(36:00):
know all the kids are all everywhere.
Christine's patience runs out. She drives through the river of
death now. We cut almost immediately to
Hunter complaining about how long it's taking.
Because. My God, he has a brain and a
soul. I would not be able.
It is like brain damage with this group.

(36:21):
I would never survive. I would literally be like I am
leaving. I would be like a teenage
runaway. I would just be like, I'm out.
There, absolutely. I would have been a teenage
runaway, I. I'm not saying I would either.
PS By the way. Oh God.
But at least I Nope, I don't know.
I don't know, I don't know. I would have been a teenage

(36:41):
runaway. So they're setting up camp and
all the teens are not interested.
They are given sour faces. They're making sour they're.
Bored. Everyone's bored.
Yeah, it's terrible. Even Leon's like trying to set
up the like starting a tent thing and it's like like no one

(37:02):
cares. Even I think Logan has some sort
of smart aleck remark about. It nobody is happy, not a single
person is happy. Right.
No, but one thing that Cuddle Punky does give us, and I did
that one on purpose, is a immediate cut to Kody being
like, I think the kids are having a great time.
It's like. Dude, no, they are not like

(37:24):
maybe the youngest ones that arerunning around to Lulu because
they are like sleep deprived, food deprived because of course
he probably was like we can't stop along the trip because he
can't do that. So you know, things are little
nuts, but he thinks things are great.
He does point out a little bit about like, you know, the
teenagers might be whatever, buteverything is going.
Hungry, I think they say. Tired and.

(37:45):
Hungry and hungry, but Kody seems to be a bit delusional
about it. What a shock.
And then the teenagers, I I did write down a couple of word
responses and that they are or feelings maybe that they shared
OK moments. So stupid certainly was one.

(38:08):
OK, ridiculous. Ridiculous.
Don't like it? Don't like it?
Dirty, nasty, wet and gross. Yes.
Yeah, we didn't. We didn't like that.
Yeah, no. You know, but also I'm going to
give like any other parent credit like you probably could

(38:29):
have done the most and they would have felt the same way
sometimes. Because everything was going so
great and Kody knows that all the kids are having such a great
time, they cut to the next morning because there was so
much footage of everyone having such a great time that they had
so much to show us. Maybe that's not true.
So the next morning they let us know that Janelle is going to be

(38:51):
taking some of the kids fishing and that the rest of the
families going to town to explore it, like a boardwalk or
a town square or a whatever. Now cut to that doesn't actually
happen. So this is what's annoying about
the show. It's like, why would you include
that detail if that's not what you're actually even going to
do? Like, so dumb, but whatever.
As they're getting ready to leave on their excursions,

(39:13):
Hunter is losing his cool over how long everything is taking
because it is taking forever. And you know, they do point out
how like meri and Robyn, particularly Robyn is like,
doing her makeup and doing whatever outside of the tent.
And it is a little like, we're fucking camping.

(39:34):
Like, what are you putting the face on for?
Well, turns out Kody loves the face makeup and she is being
filmed. So I don't know.
I can't actually fault her for putting on makeup, frankly, but
I can understand why it would befrustrating to be sitting
outside of a vehicle waiting foreveryone while you're watching
these women put on makeup outside of a tent.

(39:54):
Like, hurry the fuck up, let's go.
And that's probably not even thereason they're delayed.
It's probably a million other things.
And this is just one thing, you know.
I think that's so funny to hear from a man who doesn't have to
put on makeup any day ever. You know, to move forward.
With their day, right? So yeah, it can totally seem
super fucking irritating dating and it can also seem like

(40:18):
camping. You shouldn't put on makeup,
unfortunately, especially with teenage girls.
I think I've got, I've certainlygotten better at this.
I don't even bring my makeup with me to like cabin trips.
Like haven't for years, you knowwhat I'm saying?
But for years I did. Who am I going to run into in

(40:39):
the fucking woods in the middle of nowhere that I need a face of
makeup on? Not a single fucking person,
right? But that is my my shield, my
barrier, my whatever. I am not comfortable having
anybody see me look anything other than that version of me.
OK, OK. That happens and it starts in

(41:02):
fucking high school for teenage girls.
Like it literally does. And if you care about it, you
do, and some don't. And Amen.
Oh, wonderful. I was not that person for many,
many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years and would
not exit my house without makeupon.
And if I was camping, I would put on my makeup in a fucking

(41:24):
tent before I exited that tent and praying.
So that's stupid and it's foolish.
But yeah, of course a boy is going to be pissed because
they're just sitting there putting on makeup.
But for the girls sitting there putting on makeup?
But see, like everyone's standards are different because
I mean, I had a good friend oncetell me about how like in a

(41:47):
crisis, in a decision, I shouldn't exist in a crisis, in
a like make up free situation, she's like, all you need is some
fucking mascara. Just put on some mascara and
you're fucking fine. Like most women could actually
just put on some mascara and it would be like, there you go.
Like you can leave the house or whatever.
Now that's some people's opinions, Janelle and Christine.
Their opinion is not that they should be sitting outside a tent

(42:10):
putting on makeup while everyone's getting frustrated.
Because they've never cared to put on makeup to move throughout
their day. It's not a part of their
identity. Sure, sure.
So the experiences they're sharing it through hunters lens
in this moment right now, because he's complaining about
it. I mean, I don't really have a
bone in the in the thing. I I think it's just weird that

(42:32):
they're showing hunter because it's really about Hunter's
frustration. It's not really about the wives
putting on makeup in in the scene.
But it's just weird how this is an example in the future that
Robyn's like, you know, putting on makeup while they're camping,
I guess. I think that I'm trying to
figure out the right way to phrase this because while it may

(42:55):
not be something that like, so maybe Kody prefers a certain
thing, right? But also as his wife or
girlfriend previous or whatever,you've also set a standard.
OK, So like as a woman, you haveset a standard.

(43:16):
And this has nothing to do with expectations of your partner.
This is also just the, if I go out into public and people are
going to see me, this is the standard that I have set for
myself. And so like, I know how I look
with makeup versus how I look without makeup is drastically

(43:40):
different. Do you know what I mean?
So I'm like, I was never comfortable with that other lens
of me, like for like literally would not go to a gas station
without putting makeup on my face.
And I think it was it was definitely after my kid and like
the tired mom moments that I started to give a fuck last, but

(44:03):
probably not until the last fiveyears that I've been like, I
actually could give two shits less what any other single
person thinks of my appearance. Wherever I go, I couldn't care.
But before that, there was always a level of a face that
you put on to present yourself. And that's not just a clean,

(44:26):
showered, shaved look for women,right?
For women, that is AI paint a face on my face.
Yeah. And walk out in public.
Yeah. So even if it's just mascara.
Yeah, yes, that even in that case, yeah.
Even if it's just that it's my eyelashes aren't enough and so
I'm going to make them look better.

(44:46):
Yeah, so or lip gloss or lipstick or whatever.
I mean, it's just, it's, I don'twant to say that we can blame
that on men. Sometimes I think women set
those standards for themselves. No, no, actually, if we look
back in history. But it's so fucking different.
And such an effort has to. Be there.
Well, it sounds like it's, there's a whole spectrum of

(45:06):
where you fall on that, right? Like, you know, it's not as
simple as like Robyn versus Janelle.
There's like a whole bunch of different.
Experiences. Exactly.
No, that's totally it. And even Janelle, I don't think
Joel's like, I don't give a fuck.
No, I think Janelle probably puton some mascara and was like,
I'm ready to go. That's I.
Understand that was actually forher.
She was like, this is so much better.

(45:26):
Mascara and lip gloss is so muchbetter than what I would have
done if I didn't care. Yeah.
So that was her level of caring.I digress.
Yeah. Well, it's, it's an interesting
topic. I don't really, you know, it's
not like every day we're talkingabout this.
So you know. Oh, Kody gives some very
specific words about what Hunteris in this moment.

(45:48):
Do you recall them? No, I I didn't.
You do not I. Missed it?
No. Oh well, Hunter is just a raging
testosterone monster. Yeah, Now that's yeah, kind of
accurate. Like, I don't think he's saying
it in a super negative way. He's saying that like, this is a

(46:09):
teenage boy with teenage hormones and like this shit is
going crazy. And he's not wrong.
He's not wrong. So it's like it's accurate, but
but it sounds more dramatic thanit.
Yeah, yeah. It does.
But even though Hunter was so fucking irritated with meri and
Robyn doing makeup and all of this, Janelle was like, listen

(46:31):
here, motherfucker. Yeah.
Oh, Janelle. Watch it.
Yeah, Janelle was because reallytrying.
Well, and and not that she was like super supportive of the
otherwise, like sitting there doing their makeup.
And that's fine. She can have her own perception
of that too, right? Yeah.
But she was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, Sir.

(46:53):
No, no, no, no, no. These are adults.
You're talking about the adults.You will not speak about the
adults. Like this, we are not doing
that. And Oh my gosh, Loved it, loved
it. Watch it.
Yeah, she said. Watch it.
Love Janelle being so firm but not mean and not like

(47:13):
overreacting in her phrasing. Like you're saying like she was,
she was firm, but she wasn't being like you're going to
whatever, like she was just laying the law.
And she wasn't saying you can orcannot feel how you're feeling.
She was just saying don't fucking say what you're trying

(47:34):
to say, right? Now you won't talk about the
adults like that. Like, do not say you can have
your feelings, you can whatever,whatever.
Do not speak words like that because right, people sometimes
can have feelings that maybe youdon't say out loud.
And she was trying to not force anything crazy on this kid, but

(47:55):
she was like, listen here, motherfucker.
No, you are not. You're right, she was not trying
to tell him how to think or anything like that or how to
feel. Or that you are wrong right, or
that whatever it was like she just said actions you believe
other people are wrong. You still just have to.
She wasn't even saying they are right or they are wrong.
She's just saying you can think other people are wrong for what

(48:15):
they're doing. You just have to do what you
know is the right thing to do, which is the 100% correct and
accurate thing to say. It won't matter to Hunter.
Hunter's going to be a mad angry, you know.
Testament from raging. Teenage right now anyway, but
she was trying hard, you know, and I appreciated it so.
We transitioned to a moment where the adults are questioning

(48:39):
how hard it's been with Robyn joining the family for
particularly the older kids and specifically Hunter.
I don't know that Robyn said anything of any real
significance here. I didn't.
I don't recall anything that really stood out to me, but
they're referencing that, you know, it's been a little

(49:01):
challenging. They're basically setting up for
some things for Robyn to talk about in the next scene.
Hot off of that, we go to the couch and all of the teenagers
are sitting on the couch. But being Logan Aspen Hunter,
Maddie Leon, I I I'm not sure ifMckelty was there, but you know,

(49:21):
talking about the the vibe is this like, you know, anger, the
being annoyed with the kids and like disrespectful how it's
disrespectful. And Logan says to Hunter that is
disrespectful when referencing some sort of situation or
something that was said. And Hunter's response was settle

(49:42):
down, Johnny Appleseed. Which is so funny because that's
like a Sister Wives quote that alot of people love.
And I remember seeing it and being like, I don't even know
who says that. Like, I didn't even know who
said it until today. So that's funny.
They all kind of just were blaming each other for like all
the bad stuff. Like they just all kind of went
after each other. But then in that final.

(50:03):
Moment, yeah. Yeah, and turf was like, what?
For me, the vibe was the dad sitch, the like parentified
oldest child being like, listen,you are being disrespectful.
And I don't think that Logan's wrong.
I don't think his assessment is incorrect, but I'm sure.
I think Logan's. Probably not into it.
His perception is always going to be probably more respectful

(50:27):
than the other kid. That's his vibe for sure.
OK, so after we finally hear from Hunter, settle down, Johnny
Appleseed. And we lived through an iconic
moment tonight, today, this morning.
Whatever makes the most sense toyou.

(50:49):
Janelle takes Brianna, Aurora and Dayton fishing.
She does reference at some point.
Like I just got to get Hunter out of here.
Like we just got to go because he was.
Yeah, like she was trying to be patient and they were trying to
get other people to go with them.
Even Hunter was trying, actually.
Like he was like, anybody fishing.
Like, let's go, let's go. And Janelle was like, we're just

(51:10):
fucking going, yes. While they're fishing, there's a
voice over from Janelle talking about it and she says that there
hasn't been a lot of opportunityfor her to spend time with
Robyn's kids doing activities that they all enjoy and
whatever. And so she views it as a great
experience because they had a good time.
And she hopes that they continuedoing this activity in the

(51:33):
future because it just went so well.
Yeah, she seemed to like it. The kids seemed to like it.
It seemed really cute. I guess I just really, truly do
enjoy watching this family have any good, genuine times
together. And sometimes we do get that.
And this was one of those. The fishing was totally one of

(51:53):
those. And she did say she wants to do
it again in the future. And I think they totally would
do that with her or any of the moms, truth be told, like in the
future, because I think they hada good time.
Yeah, Oh, yeah. And I mean, if either of my
parents, I did fish with my dad a few times and, like, it was,
but I grew up on a lake, and so we would always just go down to
the dock and fish like, it was like a regular thing.

(52:14):
But I enjoyed it as a kid, so that's fun.
Now the rest of the family goes hiking.
Now, this is what's weird is because earlier in the episode,
they say they're going to town to do whatever.
Well, then they don't. Yeah, like, yes, but no, they go
hiking. So OK, fine.
Plans change editors from PuddleMonkey productions next time.

(52:34):
You don't have to leave the bin in at the beginning where you
say you have a plan to do something and then you don't do
it when it's unnecessary. Just a pro tip.
But then did they even hike? Well, they did show them with
some trees, so yes, I don't knowthat it was a real hike, but
they walked through a forest, sothat's hiking OK 'cause like
Kody was hugging a tree with Mckelty.
Do you remember that when they put?

(52:55):
On yeah, there was like a brief hugging of a tree.
Yep, Yep, Yep. And and it was a big tree grass.
This part though, was like warp speed and.
It was so fast 'cause then all of a sudden they were jet
skiing. And it was funny because earlier
in the episode they were like, we're going to do this and we're
going to do this, and then we'regoing to go jet skiing.
And we haven't even brought up the jet skiing.
Yeah, because they were like, oh, well, who knows what that

(53:15):
means? Well, literally what that means
is we went jet skiing and then they showed a picture of a lake
and a jet ski and that's all we know about them jet skiing.
This transition, this multiple transitions was whipped.
It was out of control, like fishing, hiking, jet skis.
I'm gonna and I'm gonna do quoteUN quote fishing was really

(53:37):
fishing. But hiking isn't quotes.
Jet skiing isn't quotes and. And so, yes, so that it's like
we're going to go get pizza now that we're done jet skiing.
And I was like, you're done jet skiing.
I'm like, I didn't even know it started.
Like it was so fast. It was so dumb.
Oh yeah, And then they were at the restaurant.
And then they were at the restaurant.
Yeah, and then they would go. Get pizza.
It was fast. It was a fast day.

(53:58):
They had a fast day, which really is life, so I get it.
It's a little, yeah. I'm not sure about the timing
because I'm kind of questioning now like, oh, they could have
been getting dinner at the pizzaplace, 'cause I'm like, isn't
this a lot for a day? But then I realized, no, it's
actually. Not no, but they were going to
get pizza. And then Brianna had her
meltdown. Yeah, she was getting picked.

(54:19):
Like in the parking lot? Something about Payton and
Garrison picking on her and merireferences how the kids have
always been picking on the some of the boys.
They've had issues with them picking on the younger girls.
This has been going back and forth.
It's been too long that they've been picking on each other,
especially with it. It seems like it's being

(54:42):
insinuated at Brianna, Dayton and Aurora.
Does that sound correct? It's Robyn's kids that are
getting picked on. Are getting picked.
By some of the like, mid to younger boys, yeah, she says.
These kids are your brothers andsisters and you need to get used
to it, whether you like it or not.
Yeah, now. This is why I think it's safe to
say overall it's Robyn's kids that are being referred to

(55:04):
because they're the new kids to the family.
They do say specifically that some of the boys pick on the
girls, but it's also Dayton likethey're they're other they're
ostracized. They're picking on them and
meri's had enough and meri witnesses them taunting and
bullying Brianna and is like confronting the situation,
calling it out in the moment. The tension is immediately up

(55:26):
like it is immediately like fuck, something's happening.
This is not good. And after she delivers this line
that's a mother scolding children, she takes a beat, a
beat. And then she's like, I would
love to have any other backup from any other mothers here in
this moment. And we do not see that.

(55:47):
They give us like a moment of silence and then they kind of go
to the couch and they go to Kodysome voice overs and talking
about the situation. It made me uncomfortable.
It made me so uncomfortable because I think meri took him.
Like I said, there was a beat where she said this thing.

(56:07):
She took a beat, realized she's scolding children, none of them
are her biological children, andshe's looking for any support
from these sister wives that allclaim that they have each
other's backs when it comes to these kind of situations and no
one says a peep. So then they go to the couch
moments where Christine, you know, volunteers that she
thought that in the moment it was too much, that she would

(56:30):
have preferred to have taken theboys aside and speak to them
about their behavior. And that would have been a
different approach. They don't really land on any
resolve. What did you think about this?
Oh. My gosh, I have so many
feelings. Yeah, it's complicated.
Well, it's super complicated because #1 there are the moments

(56:51):
that you see as a parent, right?And then there are moments you
don't see as a parent. And I've only had this instance
when there has been like potential stepchildren in the
mix, right? Like not never got there.

(57:15):
But anyway, there could tend to be this feeling of your child is
innocent and hasn't done anything.
And I said that on both sides, myself and my partner alive,
gotcha, that certainly my kid isn't doing that.
And then you can see or hear moments of your child doing

(57:37):
that. And then you can go, OK, is that
a thing? And then you can witness the
other party being guilty and go,well, that kind of plays a part
too, doesn't it? And then it can just be this
tennis ball back and forth, right?
Like, who's really to blame? Who's in the wrong, Who did
this, who did that, who did whatever.

(57:58):
So I don't know. I'm sure there are plenty of
examples that we'll see with other children probably not
doing super great things. So I don't want to say that I
believe that anybody is in the right or wrong here.
I just know that, gosh, it can so easily go from like

(58:20):
protecting the one that you're sure is in the right to them
actually being in the wrong and then vice versa.
And so, I don't know, it's tough, it's tough, it's tough,
it's tough. And people can be equal assholes
to each other, but in completelydifferent ways.
And it can fly under the radar for a minute sometimes too, when

(58:45):
it's like, oh, it doesn't look like you're being the Dick, but
you're being the Dick, you know?So gosh, I just recognize how
hard it is to recognize who's actually at fault.
And in this specific situation, we aren't fed footage of what
leads up to this, so we don't get to see what's going on.

(59:06):
I'm gonna myself probably lean on the side of meri in the sense
of this probably isn't the firsttime that there's been an
incident like this. They reference that it's a
thing. She's probably observed she's.
Probably seen enough of these boys.
Where? She's fed up.
And I'm not Robyn's kids and. She's probably not wrong.

(59:28):
She's probably not motivated to take to to jump in the situation
without Brianna freaking out. Like Brianna's upset, she's
crying, and so there's a reason that someone needs to address
something, probably from meri's POV.
But the other part of it though,is entirely so.
I had this huge, huge struggle with my kid being mixed in with

(59:52):
other kids that could become step siblings or whatever,
right, because my kid was an only kid, only child.
He'd never had a sibling next tohim punching him or bowling him
over or any of this stuff. And to an extent, I think that
the OG threes children have all had enough kids around

(01:00:17):
consistently where they've all been knocked around or beat up
to an extent or made fun of to an extent.
And I'm not saying that's good or bad, but, you know, you just
aren't that sensitive and it's not going to probably knock you
out the same way it would Robyn's kids with my own child

(01:00:38):
and seeing, you know, a quote, UN quote, brother like figure
and the physical aspects that came along with that that I had
never seen before. It was alarming.
It was alarming. And I was like, Oh my God,
somebody's going to get hurt. Like I was freaking out about

(01:01:00):
it, you know, And so I can only imagine if in Robyn's household,
that's not how things were to then a household with multiple
brothers that beat the shit out of each other all the time.
And that's just usual that it would be alarming because I, I
have been there and I have felt that.
I want to do a little plug rightnow of our show on Patreon,

(01:01:25):
Sisterhood of the Travelling Husband, because we are reading
Becoming Sister Wives and givingour thoughtful analysis, our
criticisms, our blessings, all the things.
One of the topics that's going to be coming out in episodes
being released very soon is about Robbins parenting style
versus the OG 3 and how the OG three took a more like unless

(01:01:48):
you're bleeding, I can't deal with it right?
And where Robyn is, you know, I speak Kody, I'm a mediator.
I know everything. I'm so sensitive and I'm
whatever. So her kids are a bit Faberge
egg. And I feel like I'm like half
seized between that. Do you know what I'm?
Saying like in the middle. Where my sisters were more like,

(01:02:09):
whatever, they're fine. And I was more like hovering.
And then this like I, I get it, there's so many different levels
and your kids are all so different.
And so I yeah, there's not a right or wrong, but we are
seeing the ways those dynamics affect their day-to-day.

(01:02:31):
Another thing to from meri's perspective, in this situation,
from my assumption of meri's perspective, let's go with that.
I would hope. Now I'm not a parent of any
children and I'm not a parent ofchildren in a polygamous family.
But I would hope if I was in that situation in meri's shoes,
observing something and putting a stop to it, that at least one

(01:02:53):
other parent would say, absolutely, boys, you need to
stop and then circle back to doing something as parents or
whatever. Like where you?
Have to back each other up. That's not.
They talk about how they're supposed to have each other's
backs and they, they, they, theyparent as a team.
And even if you see something like this, meri's not throwing a
kid down a flight of stairs. I mean, my God, she's

(01:03:15):
reprimanding children that are treating children poorly.
Be nice. As parents we should be able to
agree talking be nice. And PS By the way, lots of you
haven't been. Yeah, you're not being nice.
And, and OK, so meri didn't approach it with butterflies and
stickers. Here's your participation ribbon
for coming to this conversation where I'm trying to correct your

(01:03:36):
behavior. It's like, no, we are outside a
pizza joint. We have had a day from hell.
Please stop picking on these kids.
They are part of your family whether you like it or not.
And I did not like that. No other parent jumped in.
I did not like. That no, no, I did not.
That was fucked up. Everybody should have said
exactly that. And you know, even if there is
some level of it, like, like whywould they not?

(01:04:00):
I guess my question is why wouldthey not?
And if the why they would not, there's some sort of caveat,
like there's some sort of other behavior behind the scenes
that's making them say, no, I'm not OK scolding this child for
this specific thing. There is a way generally enough

(01:04:22):
for you to scold all fucking children to fucking do
something. But you know what I mean?
Like I feel like there's some level of something behind it
because otherwise why would theynot?
Why would they not say? In the history of.
Fucking stop being assholes. Christine, The reason she
doesn't have a relationship withmeri, according to Christine, is
because of the way meri treated the children so.

(01:04:44):
We can't believe that meri's probably wrong and scolding some
of the children for treating other children like schools
because you know what kids treatkids like?
Yeah. It just seems like such a weird
example of like, why are none ofyou going to her defense?
Because she really should be. She should you should be aligned
with her right now and then in later that evening when the kids

(01:05:05):
go to bed. If you have an issue with it,
you say, could we address this differently next time?
That's that's how you do it in my opinion.
I agree. I agree 100%.
It's absolutely insane. It's insane.
What the fuck are they doing? Now we move on to the kids being
on the couch and talking about all of the changes that have

(01:05:28):
been happening. You know, and I mean, they're
unhappy about it, as we know. Logan talks about how of course
there's going to be issues from uprooting your whole life.
And like, it reminds me, I'm going to say a little bit of me.
He's such a first child. I have been recorded before as
saying, when you get 10 people in a house, there's going to be
madness. There's going to be chaos,
there's going to be this. There's a certain level of like,

(01:05:49):
there's going to be bullshit. You uproot your whole life and
you move, there's going to be bullshit.
Unfortunately, he is the oldest.He is the closest to being an
adult. And the other kids are not
there. And so that rationalization is
far lower on their ladder of whatever.
It's just kind of like acceptingthat there's change is going to
bring hard times and often timesand you know, that's probably

(01:06:12):
not easy for teenagers to get. So I don't know.
But they also just make reference to the fact that no
one likes plagues like no one likes polygamous children.
They said that yes. Oh God.
Like they said, this is something they have to deal
with, that people don't like this and so they go to school

(01:06:34):
and people don't like this. Oh wow.
Yeah, Oh my God. And they said, you know what?
We have to change. We have to change how we are
living our lives. And our parents have to change
how they're living their lives, too.
Like, how come we just have to go to schools where people are
doing this and our parents just get to do whatever they're doing

(01:06:55):
and we just have to deal with it?
They're fucking pissed, you know?
Yeah, they are upset. Yeah.
We hear from Robyn, we hear fromour 1/2 of our people's couple
that she notices that the kids all pick on her children and
she's telling this to the adultson a couch moment.

(01:07:15):
So we're not saying this in front of the children.
She's, you know, telling the other parents your kids all pick
on my kids and that she has her example is so cringe in my mind,
but whatever. She has 1 1/2 years until Dayton
is 13 and she's concerned that at that point he will be old

(01:07:37):
enough where his voice would be listened to when it comes to
choosing which parent that he would stay with.
And that she's worried that her kids would choose to not live
with her because of the bullyingfrom the other kids.
I don't really buy this and I think it's her trying to
manipulate them into feeling bador changing something.

(01:07:59):
Hounding their kids more maybe, but it comes off as
disingenuous. I don't know.
Did. Did.
You came off as a threat. It came.
Off as a threat? OK.
I only have this much time. Yeah, that my children are like,
stuck with me. And if you give them a reason to

(01:08:21):
leave me, then this is what can happen.
Like to me, it came across that she was like, being that serious
about it. Now what?
I don't know how I believe. And again, it's because I think
I have felt both sides of the situation.
I have found my kid to both be the instigator and my kid to be

(01:08:47):
the receiver because both can happen in the same day, in the
same fucking hour, or sometimes,do you know what I'm saying?
So I see how her kids react to the other kids when they're
around them. And it is not one of powering

(01:09:09):
and hiding in a corner and not interacting.
It is excitement and Jubilee andthis and that.
Like they're always happy to be around those other kids.
Now, are there meltdowns? As if there would be with any

(01:09:31):
other child at any other moment.There are I have yet to myself
see on this show, and I'm not saying that it's not happening
behind the scenes, but I have yet to see myself an instance in
which I think all of the elder children are bullies more than

(01:09:53):
siblings would bully their siblings.
And if you want them to be fucking siblings and they're
fucking siblings and they're in the mix and getting hit and beat
the same way that siblings do, don't you mean don't?
Don't you? Think though, that kind of.
I lived through it with my siblings.
I'm sure you did too. Yeah, but I had a hard time
seeing that for my kid with like, another kid in the mix.

(01:10:16):
I was like, no, this is not OK because he's never been beat up
before like I was. Yeah, I was probably the Robyn,
you know, But I don't think the the one thing I will say is when
they were sitting on that couch and discussing this bullying
that Robyn felt that her kids were entailing, all of the other
wives sat there and kind of looked scolded.

(01:10:39):
Like, it's almost like Kody saidmaybe a few words about it.
He didn't say a lot, but I wonder if he like freaked out at
1 moment and they just didn't put it on the show or something.
Like they, they kind of just stared down and I felt like they

(01:11:02):
would have defended their kids more I guess to an extent.
I I was a little confused by that.
Yeah, I think because Robyn was displaying genuine or false
emotion while doing this, you know, like she was crying and
she was whatever and she's doingher manipulation tactics.
It's like hard to deal with that.

(01:11:23):
Well, you. Certainly don't want to think
that your kids are bullying her kids but.
Yeah, I mean, I don't really even know what to say about the
kids bit at this point because Iactually do believe that their
kids are bullying her kids. But I don't think that any of
these responses are what I woulddo do.
You think it was more than a sibling relationship?
Well, I mean, I think it's, it'sjust it's very multifaceted.

(01:11:46):
Like, you know, if you're going to have like a 12 year old boy
around some sensitive like waif children, then yeah, they're
probably going to be upset because the 12 year old boy is
annoying and a bully and a whatever to them.
It's just, it's there's just a lot of stuff happening here
that's like, I don't even know, like not even a thing.
And I also feel like this is thebeginning, maybe one of the

(01:12:08):
first instances we see where I think Robyn is teeing up that
her kids need to be adopted by Kody.
I think she is making it seem like anything, anything that
happens with my kids is going tobe a problem for me and for my
kids being a part of this family.
She doesn't connect those dots in this.
But I think this is where we're starting to lay the groundwork

(01:12:30):
for her, like her not having herchildren for some reason now in
this that's. Exactly what she did, that's
exactly. What she did she.
Literally gave a countdown a year and a half.
In 1 1/2 years, my son's going to be thirteen.
I mean, what the fuck kind of sentence is that?
It was a threat to me. That was a threat.
It was a threat. It was absolutely a threat and a

(01:12:51):
huge manipulation tactic and gross and that's.
Why? I don't feel like it's actually
about the bulliedness of the children.
I feel like it's about Robyn's Ness.
And yeah, kids can be kids and do good or do bad or do
whatever, but like, I don't that's not actually the topic.
And we don't even see great examples of this.
So it's hard to even have APOV about the kids behavior because

(01:13:12):
it's like, I'm going to assume that yeah, the preteen boys were
picking on young kids, but. And do you know why the other
wives didn't respond? Because they were like, I'm
either going to fucking lose my mind or I'm going to strangle
her and I don't know which one'sgoing to be better.
And because she's crying, it's not going to look good if I go

(01:13:34):
after her right now. Like I'm just going to like, I
think they just have to shut thefuck up, you know?
So anyway. As you were saying, like we
don't get a lot from Kody about the children's stuff, He does
have a voice over where he says he's concerned and he feels the
struggle of what's happening. OK, well, anyone could have said
that, so whatever. Father of the Year.

(01:13:55):
It's certainly not helping anything, yeah.
Whatever, dude. So we're cutting to the night
time. Yeah, well, let me see.
Does that. Yeah, we're.
Camping. Right.
So we're back to the campsite. It's night time, but they're
actually not at the campsite. I feel like they're travelling
somewhere they they drive or they walk to where they're going
to see some fireworks because it's night time and I don't

(01:14:16):
recall if they Mosey back to vehicles or not.
I kind of think they do, but I don't remember.
They talk about how it's cold and it's rainy and it's night
time and they're going to go seesome fireworks.
As they're waiting for the fireworks to start, the kids are
all losing their patience, just as they have been the entire
trip. Everyone's pissed.
Everyone's annoyed. I'm annoyed by the end of this.

(01:14:39):
Day yeah me too I was gonna leave and then they left and
then I was like OK, perfect and then oh shit.
But then we had to back up because then the fireworks
finally started. So then I stepped back and I was
like, fine, I'll sit and watch them.
You know, that's how mine we could.
Have shut the episode off like. Literally.
And I was like, fine, if you're gonna make me.
Yeah, they have the fireworks. They're starting as they're

(01:15:01):
leaving. So it's like, ha, ha, funny,
funny. The fireworks are starting as
we're leaving, but he talks about the frustrations that he
has and like how it's been a hard day, but you still need to
love each other as a family. So, you know, I mean, I agree
with that, I guess, but it didn't end on a great note for
me. I was not like, in love with the
family or the choices or the show.

(01:15:22):
Well, it's not easy and it's disappointing sometimes, Chris,
but we're still family and so wekeep on trucking, you know?
OK, OK. That's what he meant, yes.
Family first. Anything else about the episode,
honey, that you want to talk about?
Did anything touch you? Did anything move you in ways

(01:15:44):
that we haven't discussed? Nope.
I think we've discussed plenty of the ways that it moved me.
Right, I think we don't need to ever go camping with the Browns
again. Never again.
So I'm going first with my mustard seed.
This episode shocking. I think I'm giving my mustard
seed to Janelle this episode. I really like the way that she

(01:16:07):
addressed conversations with Hunter.
Now, I am not a parent and I feel like at some point in time
I can stop quantifying or clarifying or whatever the term
is my POV. You don't have to be a parent to
understand certain things about parent child relationships as
having lived through one as a child.

(01:16:28):
You were a teenage boy. Once, and I was a teenage boy
once, and what I really appreciated about Janelle's
communication styles with Hunterwas that she was firm and I
respect that. In difficult conversations that
parents have with teenagers where she was firm and she laid

(01:16:51):
some expectations without telling him how he should feel
and how he should act, she said there are certain things up off
limits, like respecting adults. You cannot talk about adults
like that. But I really like the way that
she was engaging with him because what a fucking torture
to talk to a teenage boy like this, like to have to deal with
it at all. And I think she did a great job.

(01:17:12):
So mustard seed to Janelle. Agreed 150.
Yeah, Now who were you giving a mustard seed?
Since I took Janelle well, so many times, I gave it to you and
then you take the person I wouldappear.
You know, you know, I think I'm going to give mine to meri.
Yep, she was a close second for me.

(01:17:32):
But it is for having the girls move in with her.
Yeah. And, you know, I don't.
I don't know that I want to havea conspiracy theory behind how
it came about. I just like that.
I think that them staying there does something for meri, and I

(01:17:55):
think it also does something forthose girls.
So I think it's mutually beneficial, and I think that in
this family, they should embraceanything that is mutually
beneficial in that fashion. And so I loved it.
I thought that meri and Leon getting the room together was
adorable. I think it was cutesy enough.

(01:18:16):
And you know what else? So props.
Absolutely shit stain. So I'm actually going to give my
shit stain to Kody Brown. Yeah, somebody should have
backed somebody. Somebody needed to back meri up,
and because none of them did, I'm going to give it to Kody,
not to one of the women. What a chauvinist.
What a pig. I'm such a pig.

(01:18:37):
It's got to go to Kody because he needed to say, listen up,
this is not acceptable or something like that.
There's it's not the responsibility of the mothers to
always be correcting behavior. He needed to step in and meri
needed support and he didn't give it.
And he's a lousy husband. Well, that sounds perfectly
accurate. And I'm I'm going to go with
Robyn. And the reason I'm going to go

(01:19:01):
with Robyn is because, and I feel so bad saying this, it
doesn't even sound right, but I think you need to build your
kids up a little bit tougher andneed to not let them baby out on

(01:19:23):
so many things. And I think that you're not
doing them a good service of this.
And I've been guilty to this to an extent, like super, super
small extent compared to what she is.
But you have to realize at some point your kids are going to get
some pushback and you can't justprevent the pushback.

(01:19:46):
You have to prepare them for thepushback.
Yeah, for the real world. So it's not about making other
people not be mean to them. It's about them being prepared
to handle mean people in the world and they're not there.
And so I I consider that I and Idon't.

(01:20:08):
You know, I have thoughts, feelings, and opinions about all
of it, but fuck Robyn. You're not doing it for your
kids. Like you've never done that for
your kids. You've never done that for your
kids. Your kids would have been
stronger without you doing all of the things that you did to
prevent them from having thoughts, feelings, and
opinions. And you should have tried
harder. Shit stain for Robyn for sure.

(01:20:29):
Kody and Robyn are usuals. We usually get the shit stains.
Imagine that or keep sweet moment.
This episode is pretty fun. Or it's a little, it's a little
different for us. It is a comment on Season 3,
Episode 2 on Spotify. So this is an episode, the teen
sex talk episode, where we do reference Robyn's purity.
She didn't have her purity for Kody.

(01:20:49):
Caught and caught purity. Her purity.
Oh. My purity.
My purity, too, yeah. Well, Robyn's taking a lot of
things from us, and she has never apologized, Michelle tells
us he didn't get Janelle's purity either.
Now isn't that interesting? Isn't this interesting?
The juxtaposition between these two relationships?

(01:21:11):
Janelle comes in like a baller. She's divorced, she's cool.
She's a boss bitch. She's got it.
She's. Fun.
That's that. Now, was he at all concerned
about how Janelle had been defiled, to use your language in
the past? Well, it didn't seem to come up
a beat. There's not a mention of it in
the book, in the show and anything.

(01:21:32):
But then Robyn comes in and it'sher purity.
Her purity over purity. It's fucking bullshit.
I do want to give you those that's.
What I had to say? About it is bullshit, yes, thank
you Robyn, it's bullshit. And Michelle, thank you for
bringing this up, for pointing it out because you are right,
Kody didn't get Janelle's periodeither.
Very interesting. Well are we certain she fucked

(01:21:55):
the other husband That. 'D be funny, she married.
No, actually, literally, though we don't know for sure.
Oh girl, they had to at least try.
Like he had to put his Dick in her vagina at some point.
She was pure as Pete on snow. That's how pure Janelle was.
What a delight.

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