October 14, 2025 • 55 mins
When another couple from the Browns' cult in Utah comes to visit, the conversation turns to polygamy. How will the Browns respond to questions surrounding courting another wife and dealing with jealousy?
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(00:10):
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not.
Make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love
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you. OK, take 2.
Well, everyone, we had a bit of a delayed start today due to
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some technical difficulties, which was my ass knocking over
my drink getting into the sound booth.
So I'm great, I'm doing great, everything's great.
Luckily that has been remedied. We are moving on.
Everything is fine. Yeah.
In fact, we are better than ever.
(01:16):
Oh wow, that's maybe a reach, but.
You let me know halfway through if you believe me.
Season 3 episode 8 Another wife.So oh, gosh, I don't know.
I should stop having these unenthusiastic sounds when I
start these episodes because I'mlike, yeah, I don't know,
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whatever. Well, sometimes it's hard.
We jump right into the episode with Kody kind of giving us a
update on the post move that thekids have finished school, they
went through the summer and now school is starting up again and
some things are looking up. One of the examples being Hunter
is joining football and that's great because Hunter likes
(01:59):
football and they show a little footage of him carrying some
pads and a helmet or whatever and he looked like I'm doing
this, so that's good. Because Hunter had a rough first
year year, did not end the school year last year in a good
place, was not enjoying being inVegas.
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So they are very happy that he has turned a bit of a corner.
Yeah, In our last episode, we, that was a big part of the
discussion was the kids being sounhappy.
The teenagers were just like, wehate this, we hate everything.
So then the next episode, Hunter's joining football.
Boom, everything's fixed. And Madison says she's going to
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have a better attitude. She's tired of being grumpy.
She is tired, I. Think that's hysterical?
I love it. She's like, you know what?
Only I can fix this. I guess I'll change.
Yeah. She debuted a new hair color and
it was the new hair color. What did you think?
(03:02):
OK. I do like the color, I think it
it it sits nicely with her skin tone.
OK, I did think it was better than jet black that I believe
she had, which was obviously nother color right now.
We're going to meet pretty quickly some friends from back
home in Utah, the neighbors, Andy and Nicole.
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Now, Andy and Nicole are one of our big storylines this episode
the the whole another wife bit and we're going to find out more
about them. They are part of the AUB, the
church that Kody and his family are members of.
They're really, really excited to have Andy and Nicole here
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because they don't have anybody from their faith in Vegas.
And so this is really, really nice for them to have some some
people there. I guess that's what they say.
And there's a lot of I know we'll circle back to it because
I know I'll want to talk about it later.
But there's a lot of language about like church and House of
faith. And we're going to also use
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words like cult. So there's no other cult members
that they have met in Vegas fromthe AUD.
So they are happy to have these former neighbors visiting.
At one point we get to hear fromRobyn about Vegas when I think
Andy someone might have been ribbon there a little bit about
Vegas being Sin City and she corrects them with her
knowledge. They're, they're, they're
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change. They're trying to change it.
Andy, we're, we're trying to change it.
It's it's now the Sunset City because there's beautiful
sunsets. Beautiful sunsets.
So Robyn's trying to change, youknow, Las Vegas's reputation all
by her lonesome. No longer the Sin City.
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Sunset City. Sunset City cause Robyn is.
Off the tongue, really nice, right, 'cause she's this is it.
It's like what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
It's like when you see the sunset in Vegas, you'll never
have to see it set anywhere else.
Like what? These campaigns are not good.
And also, that's like when the night's getting started there.
So, you know, I don't know. It didn't work, Robyn.
(05:10):
Another Grand Slam from Robyn. She hit it out of the park with
that one. I had to ignore her so many
times throughout this episode. I, I hope you, you know,
remember what she said because Iwas like, Nope, not doing it.
Yeah, I think I was back and forth, you know, because she
does. She does.
She jumps in with her two cents and often times it's like no one
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wanted your two cents. No.
I just roll my eyes put. Your coins back in your pocket,
honey. Nobody wants those, so we have a
lovely couch moment with Andy and Nicole where they kind of
bring us up to speed on who theyare and their life goals and all
of that. They are polygamous, but they do
not have a second wife. They are believers in plural
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marriage, but they are living atus as a monogamous couple today.
They they believe in the principle, but what they don't
seem to know is how to make it happen.
They are struggling with how to transition from, you know, their
testimony and the principle and knowing that this is the way
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they were meant to live. Except seemingly not wanting to
live that way at all is kind of what we throughout the episode.
Like, it's a little bizarre. It's a little bizarre.
Yeah, One of the questions that gets posed is how do you date a
woman while you're married? And that comes up a few times.
Not sure that it ever gets answered because it's not ever
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answered. Andy says that this is on his
mind a lot, so he says this several times throughout the
episode. He's just thinking about it all
day, every day. It is on his mind constantly.
He's obsessed. It's a lot.
So I guess when they're talking,I think we go from the couch
moment to like them grilling in the mountains or something,
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right? Like, aren't we kind of like
popping back and forth between this picnic that they're all
having and these things? Kody asks him.
So yes, we don't know yet how todate somebody else.
But then Kody, while they're grilling, maybe, is that when he
asks him, you know, are you opposed to dating somebody that
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already has children? Right.
And Andy kind of says I'm actually opposed to dating
someone who doesn't, right? Because, yeah, that's so much
easier to blend families in thatway, I guess.
Right. Like what?
It was weird. I guess I just don't think they
know what they're. So he certainly thinks about it
all the time, but they don't. They do not know what they're
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doing. Like this is like, oh good Lord.
Right, because along with the has children, doesn't have
children because Kody doesn't even know how to respond to him.
He's like, oh, you have your theories or something?
Because it's like, what are you even saying?
And then something comes up about an age gap.
Do you know how this starts? OK, so he in some fashion says
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that the people that don't so, so as if there's not a mid 30s
woman that doesn't yet have kids, he kind of implies that in
order to date somebody age appropriate, they likely will
have children because he can't be a 37 year old man dating an
18 year old girl. OK.
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Which again, I think it's just something that shouldn't have to
be clarified. I, I, I guess maybe the
assumption is that you're looking for somebody of that age
and you're trying to make it clear that you're not.
But it was a little weird. It was just a little weird, you
know, faulty. Yeah, well, this is it.
It's like they were, they started talking about it and I'm
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like, whoa, did I miss something?
It's like, Oh no, they're just crazy.
He also then says something about how if you see someone
pretty OK, you don't want to be interpreted as a pervert or a
jerk. So I think Andy is dealing with
some of his own demons inside because I think Andy doth
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protest too much a little bit about some of these things and
it's there's a few moments in which he comes across a little
creepy like that. Agreed when the talking about
the pretty people and he kind ofwraps up his bullet points of
weird words that you would associate yourself with if you
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were doing this and and a littlebow with being like, but how do
you keep things appropriate? And it's like appropriate.
Why are you even? Worrying about what's
appropriate if you know that youhave like.
Yeah, exactly. You don't.
You shouldn't, you shouldn't be looked at as inappropriate if
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you're doing things appropriately.
Like, why is your gut feeling that people are going to think
you're being inappropriate? Probably because your gut is
telling you that that's where you would like to look for your
second wife is in a much, much younger woman, but you're trying
to convince yourself that that'snot what you're looking for, is
what you're doing. It's like, why is he using this
language? It's so dramatic.
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The whole thing, every single way they talk about every single
thing is like, first of all, you're not going to succeed at
this if you try, you're not going to.
So please don't like, please don't.
You are not in any way, shape orform in a place in which you
will succeed in this lifestyle. That is not looking promising
guys. Do you think so, Allie Jesus,
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Amen. We'll talk about Jesus more in a
minute. Oh yes we do.
We get to talk more about Jesus,which is great.
Now I thought it was interestingthe wrap up between their
transition, or at least the majority of the transition of
couch time out to this picnic table at by the mountains where
they're grilling and whatever they do show Kody and Andy
having some back and forth. But then right before they heavy
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transition to the picnic table, Nicole is having a spotlight
moment where she says we have 6 kids and I'm like, did we know
this? Because I don't think we knew
this. I'm I'm not sure.
I don't think we knew it until she said that.
It just seemed to me like we've heard a lot from you.
Like there's been a lot of bullet points and now oh, you
have 6 kids. It just felt odd to me that I'm
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like why didn't we hear? Like usually the first thing you
hear is like we have 6 kids and whatever.
I I will agree that I think thatstruck me a little like, Oh
well, where are they, you know, or something like.
Oh, you have children. OK.
And when she's saying that, she's tying it to this point of
like, not needing dramatic change.
And to an extent because their family is large, they have 6
kids, they're in the middle of things and I'm like, but you're
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both looking for another wife. This is it.
It's the circle is not aligning.Yeah, yeah, she says.
A lot of counter well counter clockwise and clockwise things.
The circle never completes. But you know, Meri, just she,
she just reassures them that youjust jump in with both feet and
it's going to be fine. You close your eyes, you plug
your nose and you jump. Yeah, yeah.
(12:07):
Yeah, so that sounds like great advice.
It was it was awesome. Yeah.
So now is this the point where Andy stands?
He's he's standing up, maybe eating his burger.
And I don't, I don't have the exact words of how he said it,
but it he he offended the Brownsa wee a wee bit.
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Because now that they moved to Vegas and they're living in
separate houses, they're not living together and it's almost
like a divorce, he said. Shared custody.
Oh, shared custody. And and almost like a divorce,
yes. So shared custody and almost
like a divorce. So, you know, I think the
implication there or what he goes on to say is that Kody's
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not with each one of his wives every night.
So it is shared custody. Christine did not like that she
had some sort of thing to say loudly, which I didn't care
about. Like literally like she was
like, I'm going to say that thatwas terrible.
And I'm like, you are so performative like whatever, but.
Well, it's also funny, like it'sjust funny that he would have
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the balls to say that when he's trying to get this advice on how
to live this lifestyle. And then you're accusing them
of, you know, fucking up their whole family, which by the way,
they did, but it was just kind of interesting.
I I don't remember if it was himthat said this.
Did he say that having a second wife would cut his family in
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half? Something like.
That it was. It was something.
Yeah. So he knows that he wouldn't
then see, you know, what's her name?
Nicole every night. And he wouldn't see his kids
every night and whatever. And she talks more about that
later, too. But they just keep giving
examples of why this is so hard and so challenging and they
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can't imagine it, but they're destined to live it.
And it's just, again, it's just like, what are you doing?
You don't have to. Nobody is tying you down and
saying this is how you have to live your life.
Now, I might be a tad judgmentalhere, which is very unlike me,
but Andy doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's solving a
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lot of intricate or complicated problems.
I don't know that Andy's the brightest rock on the tree.
You know the sharpest. Brightest bulb on the tree.
Well, I wanted to say sharpest rock on the tree.
I wanted to say it two or three times wrong each time, but then
I fucked that up you. Were being intentionally obtuse,
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yes. And you know, that's what.
He's. Not he's like, oh, it's kind of
like you're divorced with sharedcustody.
Like he's not. And as we will see through this
episode, I don't know that he's all there.
It is not. The math is not mapping he's.
Yeah, and right. Like I'm not going to ask him to
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solve any of my problems, let's put it that way.
Fair enough. Meri talks about how she chose
polygamy because of her faith, and without her faith, she would
not have chosen this lifestyle because monogamy is the way that
the world kind of operates. And I thought there was some.
I think it's interesting that Meri's so comfortable saying
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something like that. I think I don't know what she's
playing with there. Did this strike you in any way?
Yeah, it struck me as weird because they are all saying that
they are living this life by wayof commandment, I think is how
they referred to it. And that that if they didn't, if
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this wasn't their religion and their religion hadn't told them
to do this, then they wouldn't live this lifestyle.
And that's weird. Like you know what I mean?
Like why no Meri says that, but I mean, Kody says that he would
still choose the lifestyle because of love now that he's
found love with all of these women.
Janelle kind of waffles back andforth, right?
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And she's like, well, you know, if you'd asked me years ago, I
would have said absolutely not. But now, knowing what I know
now, yeah, I would. Or something Like they've all
had these different experiences with it.
But I just think that there's a level of you are making it sound
as if you've been forced to do this and you have not been
forced to do this. You have made choices based on
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what you know. Fictional things in the sky give
you hallucinations about. And so that's why we're making
these choices and he. Referred to that flying thing as
a Flying Spaghetti Monster. But that's a whole separate real
religion that, you know, I so, oh, no offense, no offense,
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guys. Oh.
OK, OK, never mind. Never mind.
I'm mixing up my my face. Or not talking trash No about
that religion. Sorry my wires got crossed in
the testimony. Alright, thank you.
That was a close call. Mm.
Hmm. Andy continues bringing us along
his journey with things like every single woman is a
potential wife when I'm at church, so I just keep my head
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down, yeah. Because he's staring at the
teenagers, that's why. Because he's looking at every
single woman in the in the placeand having impure thoughts and
it is full of shame. And for some reason his wires
are crossed so weird that this is just how he lives.
And that's what it is. And that's that.
All these rationales, justifications, but none of
which we really need to follow. But we do need to follow.
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And we're going to follow even though we don't want to follow.
We're not sure it's going to go great, but like my mom always
says, how will you ever know if you like it until you try it?
So that was the the last Pearl of wisdom and he gave us, that's
what, that's what my mom says. You'll never know until you try.
Wow these people are so fucked up.
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Like who makes lifestyle choiceslike marrying someone off of
this kind of advice? It is so bad.
It is so bad. I was not super comfortable.
With these. Conversations between these
people like there's something not right happening.
It's so true. Back at Christine's house.
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I think we have transitioned to Sunday morning.
They don't really tell us, whichis what's great.
All of a sudden we're just at Christine's house and we get
told that, you know, they're away from their household of
faith, they're away from their Temple of Whatnotness, from
their church cult. They're cult.
So Kody of course does Sunday services at different wives
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houses because as a father you can act as the pastor of your
own family because sometimes when you look at their AUB, they
don't even really have real pastors and priests to a certain
extent, just the elder. So it's OK for a father to act
as such in his own household, which doesn't sound made-up and
off the cuff, and just because he's doing that at all, and also
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sounds like a cult, even if it'strue.
I think probably most men, head of household fathers, do take it
upon themselves to preach to their family.
I do think that that's likely. Oh, I would enjoy that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. They, you know, during these
services, they have prayer time.We see a glimpse of that.
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They also sing hymns. And it is beautiful.
Just really lovely. Really, really, really lovely.
It moved me to thank God it. I didn't get quite there, but
that would take a lot for me. OK, so now the other thing is
that Kody being the gracious father figure, head of the
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household that he is, he also invites his wives to participate
in leading portions of these services, which is truly lovely.
And we do get a little bit of a glimpse of that.
Well, I just have to say how progressive and how forward
thinking to involve your wife and your own in home service.
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You know, every time I speak about Kody Brown, I give him
praise and thanks for being progressive and forward thinking
always. Always, always.
What's great about when we see Christine, you know, sharing the
gospel, sharing her sermon with the kids, She's standing with a
cell phone. And I don't know if there's a
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voice over happening or what's happening, but at first you just
see a a glimpse of her and I'm going like, why is she holding
her cell phone? You don't quite put the pieces
together until she starts speaking and she talks about
being able to talk to God. I don't remember exactly what
she said. Do you remember exactly what she
said? No.
OK. No, just her prop that she had.
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There something along the lines of there is a way that you can
talk to God. And so while her cell phone is
in the one hand, she's holding up this piece of paper as if it
is small signage and sharing it with the room.
And what is the phone number that she has on the piece of
paper, Honey? Oh, it's yes, because she's
saying you can always call on God.
If you need to talk to God, you can always call on him.
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And God's phone number is what'son her infographic here.
And God's number is J-E-S-U-S. Call Jesus.
Call Jesus. Jesus.
And thank you, thank you. We both reached for our phone at
the exact. Same time.
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Oh, but what would the numbers be?
I need a. It's a text right?
Like you don't call. Jesus, I think, I don't know,
maybe. Jesus.
Well, can we? I'll call Jesus.
So just listeners, that's five Verizon Wireless, we're unable
to complete your call. Let's text Jesus and see if we.
Get I can tell you the numbers do you want to text?
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Yeah, listeners, in case you want to text when we're done,
the numbers are. Oh yeah, 5378 seven.
OK, text Jesus or 53787. What do I say to Jesus?
Are you there God? It's me, Allie.
Are you there? God?
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It's me dot dot dot Allie all right.
You could use Margaret if you feel like it, but you.
Know I you know that's not very original.
I know. Well, that's what they tell me.
I'm not very original. OK, well, update coming forth.
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We'll see what happens. Oh geez.
Well, we'll see if Christine wasmisleading her children
intentionally or if she was really trying to connect them
with God. See, this is back during the
time that your children couldn'tFact Check you like every second
of every day, so. What's funny is we might seem
like we're being deliberately obtuse or challenging right now.
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If there was a 13 year old boy, he would have, he would have
dialed it immediately and been like false, false.
This is a lie. Why are you lying?
He's a terrible influence ultimately, but.
It's amazing. Kody also shares the pulpit with
their guest of honor, Andy. So we get to hear from Andy
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about his wisdom. And really, he's more of a
vessel. So God's coming through him and
speaking to the family. And he tells the tale of when he
was young and he was a child andhow people in their cult had to
hide. Everyone had to hide and bad
things happen in secrecy, is thetheme.
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The what's nice about the what the Brown family is doing is
that they're opening things up to the world.
They're shining some light in those dark corners.
Anything about that? OK, well, a couple of thoughts,
feelings and opinions about Sir Andy's monologue.
And first, he was sure to tell everybody before he started
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speaking that he had, you know, as he does, he doesn't prepare
for things like this. It's just off the cuff.
So like I. Said all of God.
He's a vessel. All of the things that he said,
yes, they did. You know, I was thankful that it
didn't appear as like a physicalmanifestation of God's Word
'cause that would have been a lot.
Stigmata. Something or just like the body
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shaking as he deliver the word he's.
Almost speaking in tongues, yes.Very close, no, Barely English
actually, but yeah. That was just his Utah accent,
so. So Andy told us some stuff he
did. He he was saying it
complimentary towards the Browns, right?
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That he was giving them some props for, you know, coming out
into the public so that familieslike Andy's who are not
polygamist cannot live their true life out in the public.
And so he's really proud of them, I guess.
And Kody was just super thankfulfor all of his praise as Kody as
when he is praised. So it was really moving all
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around, all around. Yeah, any word from Jesus yet?
Oh God, let me. No, Jesus is ghosting me.
Jesus is ghosting you. We'll give him a little more
time. Christine, how could you do
this? Speaking of Christine, so we are
on a couch moment. On a couch moment.
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Yes, we are. And Christine starts saying, you
know, after the church service and all the praise for the
Browns for being out in public and changing the world's
perception of what people think of polygamists, Mckelty told
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Christine that she was very proud of them, right?
For, for what they are doing. She didn't tell us a lot like,
about what she said or anything about like their whole
conversation. But Christine was in tears and,
you know, feeling very thankful that their children are starting
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to recognize the reason maybe that they've gone through all of
these things because they know it's been hard for the kids, I
guess. Yeah.
But yeah, it was the big, big deal, big deal, big deal.
Yeah, I'm not sure how much of it I believe, because I'm not
sure how much of it I believed my bullshit detector was going
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off a little bit. And I don't like to say that
about one of our main characters, especially a God
follower like Christine, but I think it might have been over
dramatized to fit the narrative.And I don't even think she's
doing it as a bad thing. I think it's once again one of
those take, take it and run withit.
And over time it becomes bigger and then the story is even more
to her and it means more. And she's literally welled up
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and like talking. And I'm like a girl, like I
don't even believe you. So I, I hate to say it, I I just
don't believe it. But that's great that one of
their children said they were proud of them for making them go
through all of this for seemingly very little, because
it was mostly bullshit. As we know, it was mostly
bullshit, so. Well, I am going to air on this
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side of If a teenage child tellsyou they're proud of you, you
probably will cry. That's true.
So that's true. I'm gonna give you know, not not
to push back too much, Chris, but I am going to say that I
think that Christine reaction was genuine in that it takes a
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lot to get those reactions from these kids and it meant a lot.
And that could it be fake? Totally.
But I just think that there was something.
And the reason I do is because even after she said that Mckelty
had said she was proud of them. Christine said that like getting
any respect, like like she's tried like she has tried to get
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some level of acknowledgement orrespect from Mckel T before to 0
avail. So the fact that it was offered
when not prompted was kind of like whoa.
That does make sense. You know.
And this is it. I I can't tell you why I don't
believe specifically. I don't have.
I have no case to build. You don't have.
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Just my God-given intuition. Speaking of God, the church does
not support their their choice to be public.
And that's why some of this is so hard.
They're sure to to tell us that at the end of this couch moment
is that, you know, members of our church do not believe that
what we are doing is what we should be doing.
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All the more reason that they appreciate the support from
brilliant Andy and sound minded Nicole.
Do you like that? It was words.
Yeah, but don't you worry, Ali, we are not done with our church
service yet. Oh, we have not.
We're we. Still had to hear we thought
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there was uncomfortable stuff before.
Like we it just gets worse. There's some inherently
uncomfortable shit in this episode.
Yes, and Kody is going to usher us through that uncomfortability
like the patriarchy is. He tells his family that there
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are bullies in the world, there are bullies in their faith, and
Warren Jeffs has been bullying the FLDS community, so what's
nice? For 20 years.
So, so now we get to talk about Warren Jeffs.
So that's I guess our second bigpart of our you know, what is
this episode about the weirdos from Utah And then Warren Jeffs,
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the cult leader who is now serving a life sentence for
underage brides and lots of different things.
So that's nice. Many minors.
Lots of minors. Minors.
And Robyn makes sure to let us know about the underage brides.
That's only the sexual assault. Child sex crimes.
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Of the child sex crimes. Don't you worry, we're nothing
like that. We're.
Nothing like these horrible, horrible accusations.
Now. Oh, Robyn, you.
Know, Chris, I've never, I don'tthink, I don't think pretty sure
100%. I've never found myself in a
position so close to things likethat that I have to vehemently
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deny that my beliefs that are kind of close to theirs are not
anything like this. So I just choose to not align
myself with anything that could possibly lead people to thinking
that maybe that is part of who Iam.
Yeah, I don't know. The only connection I can make
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is the one that they did it fromthe beginning of this show is
the equal rights, civil rights, blah blah blah.
Where as a homosexual people arelike, oh, what's next?
Like, you're just going to have sex with children, You're going
to marry plants, you're going tomarry a a lamp.
And it's like, what the fuck? These are not things I am
saying. No one that I know is saying
these things. You are projecting that.
So there is an element of projection.
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But definitely, like, the list is really terrible.
And yeah, I definitely don't associate myself with groups of
people where I need to disclaim the horrible, like felonies and
things that I'm not a part of. So I don't know.
Kody gives us a bit of a background on Warren Jeffs and
how he came into power in the FLDS, that they should have been
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honorable and benevolent men. Instead they were evil, the
leaders of the FLDS, which is Warren Jeffs.
And then he mentioned some othername.
I didn't care, you know, it was some sort of like backwoods
Yahoo name. King Noah Benzemone, This must
have been a leader in their church.
I think he was saying potentially, but yes, he's, you
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know, saying all these terrible things about these terrible men
and how they preyed upon their own communities, right?
They did that, but then they should.
So this is God, I hate this episode.
I hate this episode. There's nothing comfortable
about this episode. So then he's saying they preyed
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upon their own community, but their own community should have
stood up to these men and taken control and said absolutely not
we will not. It's a call you fucking idiot.
Like yes, all cult members are so quick to jump up and say no
we will not. You know, like, what are you
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talking about? He.
Literally said it took the stateof Texas to stop warring Jeffs
instead it should have been their own community and it's
like. Followers Robyn is like I just
can't believe the mother stood by and let this happen.
What do you think? Do you think they had a choice?
You psycho you they they were indoctrinated into believing
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just like you loony bins are about the shit that you believe
they're indoctrinated. So like come on reality check.
Can we have one? Anybody?
Is anybody there? Are you there God?
It's me, Chris. It's me, Ally and Margaret's
back there and she is worried too.
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Margaret is so worried now. The closest thing to some
rationale here though, honey, some closest thing to reasonable
thinking is that Kody does let us know that their community
does not support Warren Jeffs. So their little sect of the AUB
does not support Warrens. That's.
A pretty low fucking bar though,don't you say?
Once again, it's more language of like, we actually are not
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this, but it's like, OK. Certainly hope you're not.
I mean, duh are. We talking about like potatoes
and potatoes or are we talking about like frittatas?
And for T DS? I was going to make up word.
I've tried to make 2 jokes this episode and both of them failed
horribly. What was the first one?
I don't even remember. It was terrible.
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It didn't land. I was when I was trying to say
things wrong on purpose and thenit was just stupid.
I'm. Sorry.
Yeah, it's okay. Well my ass knocking over that
drink really threw me off my equilibrium.
We have not gotten it back together yet.
Andy tells us that the wives live in secrecy due to fear of
government persecution, which ispart of the problem.
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The secrecy lies in that they don't feel they can come forward
when they're being married off as a teenage bride or when their
daughter is taken as a teenage bride.
They don't feel safe going to the police.
It's not just that they don't feel safe going to the police,
it's that they know they will nolonger have a family, they will
no longer have a support system.They don't even know what the
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outside fucking world is like. I mean, this is not just a let's
walk out, out and you're going to go to open arms and
somebody's going to fix everything for you.
That's not reality. So now they're having this kind
of conversation about these people that are in the AUB, not
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the AUB, the FLDS, and, you know, wanting to, quote UN
quote, help them and see the light to know that they don't
have to live this way and they don't have to have this happen.
And if we could just have them emerge out into the safe world,
who's going to be their safe world and their safety net?
Somebody tell me. And then also, how are you going
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to convince them that that's really a thing?
Because that's the biggest problem.
Well, this is it. It's inherently part of their
culture that they don't go into the public.
They are literally the human race is terrible, the police are
enemies. Everything is bad.
Warren Jeffs is your prophet. Warren Jeffs is.
Literally he was a prophet and now there are still.
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They need to do and there's nothing set up when you escape
and you go to the police and then your family comes and says
they are mentally unstable and they need to be released to us.
And your family is in the cult. There's no one else.
You don't have anyone else you don't work with.
You don't have coworkers, you don't have people from school.
They're all in the cult, so there's nowhere for you to go in
the real world at all. It's it's so nice of them to
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talk about wanting to help people and all of that, but you
know that that's not actually a reality.
And you know that there is stilleven the Warren justice in
prison. He is still having an effect on
these fucking people. And there are still people
playing his, you know, cards andpushing his buttons and doing
all the things. And it's lovely to think that
there's a way for these people to get out of, you know, they
kind of in a sense they're twisted like what they have to
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want to get out. Like to an extent, they're like
they have to, they have to learnGod, they're are you serious?
Like they've spent their whole lives being told this is the
only way that life is so. And this kind of storytelling
about how the communities will be helped with transparency and
that they need rescuing also comes with these phrases that
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almost rationalize it, where if you're not paying enough
attention, you might go, like, sure, Andy says.
The shadows attract the scum andit's like, OK, so that actually
is dramatic and stupid or whatever.
But when you're thinking about like, OK, if you're watching
this casually, I could totally see being like, yeah, I mean,
like, I guess if you stop livingand hiding, then there would be
less stuff. But it's not that simple.
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And that's The thing is they go with these very tier one bullet
points and rationales and phrases that if you're not
paying attention, just seem likegood things to say or I.
Mean the scum is pretty out there pretty prominently in
these cults and doing pretty prominent terrible things to
people that still has not made it go away right?
(38:11):
Like they're still they're. Still FLDS members today, even
though their profit is in life for prison, for marrying and
raping underage children. So that's cool.
So that's cool. I just, I got so angry about so
many things. Did you catch the point where
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Andy told us that he was a thug?He used to, You know, you're
hearing this from a man that used to be a thug.
Because when he was a teenager, he was a rule breaker.
Yeah, Kody said. Something about like, being a
woman, a mother versus this. I was like.
This is it. So they he makes this weird
(38:53):
reference and then Kody's saying, you know, no, we can't
compare you not following the rules when you were a teenager
to because Andy was trying to say what the fuck was he trying
to say? I don't, I don't understand what
he was trying to say, but Kody'sresponse and justification was
I, I think Andy was trying to give time, like time for these
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people to learn what they neededto do and figure life out
because that's what it took him because he used to be a thug.
And Kody's like, these women don't have time.
These are 37 year old women who are about to marry their 12 year
old daughter to a 60 year old Jesus Christ.
I know I I wasn't quite sure what to take from that so.
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I don't know. All in the name of these fucking
loony bin religions. Like I just cannot.
So that they can live in a celestial Kingdom together
forever, apparently, Christine says.
I don't want to talk poorly about these people in these
cults because I want them to, these people in these cults
because I want them to feel safeto come out.
It's mores of the same language where it's like who's going to
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do what if they they can alreadydo it.
I mean, they can't live plural life publicly in the same way
you are, you are, they actually are.
They are not in prison. They have not been, you know,
arrested or anything. So I, I don't, I don't know,
there is something about that ramp up of the time where things
had happened. But I, I it's just it's all a
(40:20):
mess anyway. I feel like at the very least
they should acknowledge that if they would like to help people
that are in a circumstance such as the cult of Warren Jeffs and
all of this, that just welcomingthem with open arms if they
happen to escape is like good enough, right?
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If you and your religion gets paralleled to this enough and
you find that acceptable, it might behoove you to actually
try to help these people and make a difference and give them
a religion alternative to their own.
That might satiate enough of theindoctrination without the
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really terrible parts. Like maybe they should do a
little more if they actually care.
Because the examples that I can think of as you're saying this,
where people do that are people that are now like out of the
culture. They're like, they're to say,
right, Like they're doing the whole like missionaries in the
react the opposite direction, right, Being like, I can help
you. And those things are good
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because when people flee, they get to go.
They can help them out with housing and potentially
employment opportunities like safe houses are very important.
But the the positioning on thoseis always that like you're done.
That's terrible. They're horrible, right?
There isn't anything in the middle of being like, Hey, we're
here to help and we're not goingto say you can't be friends with
your family and all these things.
It very much to me feels like itfeels like how you would help an
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addict, right? And I'm saying that in quotes,
right? Because help an addict because
all you have to do is tell them that drugs are really bad and
they don't need them anymore. And then they can come to you
and then they don't need the drugs and life is perfect.
Like that's kind of how they framed this is well, we'll we'll
welcome them with open arms and then they should be fine and
it'll all be OK. And you know, it's not that
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simple. Like it really does feel like,
well, as long as you just love an addict and give them an
alternative that that those drugs can't control their life
anymore. OK, sure.
There are parallels there for sure.
It is. It's like stop it, I should not
care this much about what these fucking crazy.
People say this is a weird episode.
(42:37):
It's weird. Cut to all of the adults are
going on a dinner cruise, like aboat dinner cruise on Lake Mead,
which is wonderful, Lake Mead. And then I was like, at least
Lake Mead isn't like Big Bear Lake where I'm going, what is it
really called? Big Bear and now Lake Mead.
That Big Bear Lake. No Big Bear.
(42:58):
Big Bear, but Lake Mead. Lake Mead.
It's not called like Mead. Like going to Mead.
Yes, it is Lake Mead. Now, I tuned all of that out
because I didn't even realize they went on a boat.
Now, I didn't know they were at a dinner, but I didn't I heard
the words Lake Mead didn't put any of that together.
That's how much I had to like shut it off after that Lassie.
(43:19):
And I was like, I'm done paying attention for a.
Second, well, at first they looked like they were on a
riverboat dinner thing, which I've been on many times living
near the Mississippi. On the Mississippi, those are
some good cruises and. They're they're like fun in
their own way. So I was like, oh, they're on a
river thing and then it's like, Oh no, they're in Vegas.
So they're probably floating on a boat on a man made lake or
something. Totes.
So I'm sure it was lovely. So Meri asks why they want to be
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polygamous Nicole. Her responses are all pretty
much based on children. Like, oh, the kids can have
siblings and there's more wives to help with the kids.
And it's a little dot, dot, dot,ellipses, ellipses.
I'm just making this up as I talk.
And it's also funny because it'slike, yeah, you haven't.
You don't have your. They don't.
Want to be polygamous? That's the deal.
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They don't. They've given us zero reason
other than their cult that they want to be polygamous.
If someone was to ask me why it is that I should be an out and
proud gay man, I would at least be able to have three to five
bullet points that are like, here we go, here we go, here we
go. Like it is what it is.
This woman can't even say anything beyond children.
Now, Robyn, because she is so brilliant, asks for some
(44:28):
clarification, rightfully so, asking if there are any benefits
outside of the testimony. And then as they're talking, I
guess they're trying to allude to that.
Robyn is asking about relationships with sister wives.
I don't know that she says that right off the bat, but that's
where she's going is like, what about relationships with sister
wives? And then Nicole listed some
(44:48):
benefits. Still, whatever.
No, Nicole did not list any benefits.
Actually what Nicole said. Sorry, apologies.
Well, this is it. What Nicole said was, Huh,
interesting. No, I don't think I actually had
thought at all about what a relationship between me and my
sister wives would look like or what that support would be.
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Because yes, she references that.
It'd be great for the kids. It'd be great for the kids to
have more support of different moms and this and that, but not
anything about like an interpersonal relationship.
And she has not, as it turns out.
Right. It's giving the Sister Wives
pause because of course they're going.
I shouldn't say this, this is meprojecting, but I'm sure in
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their heads they're all going Like, no, the number one fucking
thing is that you have fucking sister wise.
Like the number one thing is that there are relationships to
manage with this other woman. Like you're talking about the
children. Yeah, that's great.
But like, all right. Like all and not it it, it
doesn't necessarily mean that this is like happy go lucky.
I can't wait. I'm going to be BFFS with my
sister wives. But there will be relationships
(45:51):
with your sister wives that you have to realize are a reality.
Which I felt like the reactions even seemed a little strong
considering the conversation they were showing us on tape
because why they didn't say, well, you know, you really do
need to consider your relationship with your sister
wives. It's like they didn't even usher
that in. It's almost like they were being
like afterwards, like gotcha. Like oh, she didn't even talk
about it. Like well Oh my God, you guys
are so immature about the whole whole fucking thing.
(46:13):
But obviously, we don't know what the whole conversation was.
We just know what they showed us.
So that's true. To be fair, though, it could
have been that benign. Now, Christine says that those
comments made her very sad and that she does not believe that
Nicole and Andy are ready for plural marriage.
Shocking. Shocking.
Shocking. Yeah.
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I never would have. Never would have imagined.
I don't even know what to say, Meri and Kody both tee up.
You know, questions about what their hesitations are like.
What are you? What are your fears?
Yeah. What are your fears?
Nicole says that Andy won't be there all the time for her and
her kids. Whoa, wow.
(46:56):
Duh. These are the fears.
Oh no, he's not going to be withme every night.
He's not going to be with my kids every night.
These are our fears. And it's so hard, but it's what
we're supposed to do. It's what we're supposed to do.
We are sacrificing our relationship because this is our
testimony and this is the lives that we are supposed to live.
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And it's worth it. No, it's not.
You both are telling each other that it's not worth it and
you're saying it out loud in 19 different ways.
And then you're pretending that there's this calling that if you
don't do it, what, you explode. Like that's not what happened.
You don't have to fucking do it,you.
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Don't have to do it. They're delusional.
God, when someone says they're willing to sacrifice their
relationship to live a lifestyle, that's based upon
that relationship structure. And completely unnecessary by
the way, BT dug like. Shaking like I needed you to
call 911 because it's oh, make it make sense, God, make it make
(48:03):
sense. I just.
It it. But now they're surrounded.
It's infuriating. This is it.
It's annoying as fuck and they're surrounded by these
people that we are watching on ashow like fucking Meri, who's
like, you won't know the benefits of plural marriage
until you live it. Like girl, I'm pretty sure if we
were to take you out for two drinks after this and get the
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real deal from you, you'd be like, run the other fucking
direction. Seriously, you know it's true.
I can't handle it. It's it's this delusional choice
that is not a real choice. We're going to sacrifice our
relationship. Why?
Why? But you know Kody.
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Kody does let us know that they're plural.
Marriages are just like any usual marriage.
You know you have to work at it.Except four times as hard.
Like, every marriage is hard. Every marriage is hard.
You want four of them, you're going to have to work four times
as hard. It's not going to be easy.
If this seems daunting to you, don't fucking do it.
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For no reason. Oh except for a made-up, you
know, celestial Kingdom thing. But rest easy alley, Kody loves
his wives so we have nothing to worry about and everyone should
just live the way he does because he loves his wives and
that's great. I feel like they also just gave
a real simple piece of advice that was like, you know what?
It's OK, you just have to find someone who accepts the whole
(49:28):
family just exactly how they areand then we can be totally fine.
Yeah, that works. That's how it works.
They also made a joke about a book, Polygamy for Dummies,
which I thought was yeah, special.
I was going to suggest after that social media video giving
Cooking for Dummies to Robyn, but it would probably be too
much of a step. Like we'd have to start
(49:48):
somewhere below cooking for dummies like.
Robyn, these are ingredients youcould use if you chose.
Oh, you could buy the like the Nestle chocolate chips and it
has the recipe right on the bag,right?
Start there, right. So I don't have anything else.
Do you, honey? No, it was awful.
Yeah, Buck, Andy, Nicole, you seem all right.
I feel like you need some more self esteem, girl.
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Like you got to like do something because like, this
ain't working. This is also a long time ago.
I hope you have found some self esteem and some self worth and
realize you shouldn't ruin your marriage for the sake of some
bullshit made-up reason when youalready know this was going to
happen. Hey, if you want to come talk
and tell us about it, we're open.
We're. Open.
Amen. Nicole, you want to chat with
us? Send us Adm and you can tell us
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how wrong we are about everything we're saying too.
We'll let you say that's OK. Yeah, maybe there's something
obvious we're missing and I would blame it on production
because of their editing. Classic, Chris.
OK, now darling, I'm going to ask you who your mustard seed is
this week. Wow.
I know. This might be the hardest one to
(50:54):
ever try and come up with something for.
I feel like we could both pick even a child and it would be OK,
frankly. OK, OK, that's a good
suggestion. Like I don't like any of the
adults in this. No, because it was irritating.
I, you know, I'll go with, I'll go with Maddie and her new hair
(51:15):
and, and her trying a new attitude because for a teen that
is big, that is big. Saying that out loud, giving you
props girl, for taking it into your own hands and not letting
yourself be miserable longer than you have to.
Yeah, as a 40 plus year old man,when I have those mini
epiphanies of like, you know what, you're just going to
choose to have a better attitudeabout this and then you actually
(51:35):
do. That's wonderful.
And I wish it happened more. So being a teenager, that is a
big deal and we will see in future episodes, I believe, if
my recollection is correct, we do see a a change in her.
I don't know how quickly it is, but there is a change in Maddie.
So that's great. And of course, I'm going to pick
Hunter for my mustard seed to counter your Maddie because even
(51:56):
though he was only in the episode for just a few seconds
and he's carrying his football equipment, at least he's signing
up for something that he likes. And it is going to have positive
effects. He is going to be by the end of
this school year, he's going to be like the coolest kid in his
grade and everyone's going to want to be his friend.
So mustard seed for Hunter? Love it, love it.
(52:16):
Shit stain. I am going to pick Andy.
Good choice. Good.
Choice and I'm going to pick Andy because I think Andy is
wrestling with some demons and don't particularly like it.
Don't think he came across as a particularly great, you know,
(52:38):
God fearing human and also just,you know, it's kind of gross.
So, yeah, Andy. Yeah, some self reflection
needed there for sure. My shit stain is going to go to
Robyn perfect because of her twocents.
And like I said earlier, everyone's begging her to keep
her change to herself. She just really starting this
(53:03):
rewatch. I didn't know it would grade on
me so much that she has this like know it all thing about
things she doesn't know anythingabout.
I knew I was going to hate her. I already knew I was going to
hate her because what's not to hate?
But then I found a new thing to hate, which is like, you think
you know all this stuff about shit you know nothing about and
you need your camera time and you need to be heard and you
whatever. And I guess she really coached
(53:23):
her well into becoming this, youknow, solid, strong person
because before that she was nothing like it.
She needed well. All that time, she took to
herself to reflect. Reflect and to prepare and now
she's back and better than ever.I'm sure her ex-husband has seen
footage of the show and is like,there you go.
Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from Apple Podcasts
(53:46):
and it's a review from C Bodine 100 and it's titled Must Listen,
which is so wonderful because thank you for telling people
they must listen. It's succinct, they say while
waiting for the next season of Sister Wives, I found this recap
podcast 2 weeks ago. I can't stop listening.
Thanks for bringing me so much joy while talking about my
guilty viewing pleasure. Oh, isn't that sweet?
(54:09):
I really do love it so much and it's really fun to hear that we
we totally appreciate all of that.
It's nice when you're nice. You don't have to be nice and
but but it's nice when you're nice and that was really kind.
So it would. Be nice if we were more nice
more regularly we're. Not I don't.
I don't think we'll be received in the same way if we just start
(54:30):
being nice. Well, this is it.
I mean, you know, the guilty viewing pleasure is for sure.
That's part of the reason we started this podcast is finding
out that we both watched this show where it's like, I don't,
I've no one to talk about this with.
And I think a lot of our listeners feel the same way.
There's no one to talk about it with.
So if you feel like you're here listening to us talk about it
and you're like yes, or you're like no.
(54:51):
Who knew this had been boiling and building in us for decades
now and we just had to get it out.
It just was like and here we arenow.
Oh. Jesus still never got back to me
yet, that slumlord.
What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not.
Make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife in the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love
(00:32):
you. OK, take 2.
Well, everyone, we had a bit of a delayed start today due to
(00:55):
some technical difficulties, which was my ass knocking over
my drink getting into the sound booth.
So I'm great, I'm doing great, everything's great.
Luckily that has been remedied. We are moving on.
Everything is fine. Yeah.
In fact, we are better than ever.
(01:16):
Oh wow, that's maybe a reach, but.
You let me know halfway through if you believe me.
Season 3 episode 8 Another wife.So oh, gosh, I don't know.
I should stop having these unenthusiastic sounds when I
start these episodes because I'mlike, yeah, I don't know,
(01:36):
whatever. Well, sometimes it's hard.
We jump right into the episode with Kody kind of giving us a
update on the post move that thekids have finished school, they
went through the summer and now school is starting up again and
some things are looking up. One of the examples being Hunter
is joining football and that's great because Hunter likes
(01:59):
football and they show a little footage of him carrying some
pads and a helmet or whatever and he looked like I'm doing
this, so that's good. Because Hunter had a rough first
year year, did not end the school year last year in a good
place, was not enjoying being inVegas.
(02:20):
So they are very happy that he has turned a bit of a corner.
Yeah, In our last episode, we, that was a big part of the
discussion was the kids being sounhappy.
The teenagers were just like, wehate this, we hate everything.
So then the next episode, Hunter's joining football.
Boom, everything's fixed. And Madison says she's going to
(02:42):
have a better attitude. She's tired of being grumpy.
She is tired, I. Think that's hysterical?
I love it. She's like, you know what?
Only I can fix this. I guess I'll change.
Yeah. She debuted a new hair color and
it was the new hair color. What did you think?
(03:02):
OK. I do like the color, I think it
it it sits nicely with her skin tone.
OK, I did think it was better than jet black that I believe
she had, which was obviously nother color right now.
We're going to meet pretty quickly some friends from back
home in Utah, the neighbors, Andy and Nicole.
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Now, Andy and Nicole are one of our big storylines this episode
the the whole another wife bit and we're going to find out more
about them. They are part of the AUB, the
church that Kody and his family are members of.
They're really, really excited to have Andy and Nicole here
(03:45):
because they don't have anybody from their faith in Vegas.
And so this is really, really nice for them to have some some
people there. I guess that's what they say.
And there's a lot of I know we'll circle back to it because
I know I'll want to talk about it later.
But there's a lot of language about like church and House of
faith. And we're going to also use
(04:06):
words like cult. So there's no other cult members
that they have met in Vegas fromthe AUD.
So they are happy to have these former neighbors visiting.
At one point we get to hear fromRobyn about Vegas when I think
Andy someone might have been ribbon there a little bit about
Vegas being Sin City and she corrects them with her
knowledge. They're, they're, they're
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change. They're trying to change it.
Andy, we're, we're trying to change it.
It's it's now the Sunset City because there's beautiful
sunsets. Beautiful sunsets.
So Robyn's trying to change, youknow, Las Vegas's reputation all
by her lonesome. No longer the Sin City.
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Sunset City. Sunset City cause Robyn is.
Off the tongue, really nice, right, 'cause she's this is it.
It's like what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.
It's like when you see the sunset in Vegas, you'll never
have to see it set anywhere else.
Like what? These campaigns are not good.
And also, that's like when the night's getting started there.
So, you know, I don't know. It didn't work, Robyn.
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Another Grand Slam from Robyn. She hit it out of the park with
that one. I had to ignore her so many
times throughout this episode. I, I hope you, you know,
remember what she said because Iwas like, Nope, not doing it.
Yeah, I think I was back and forth, you know, because she
does. She does.
She jumps in with her two cents and often times it's like no one
(05:33):
wanted your two cents. No.
I just roll my eyes put. Your coins back in your pocket,
honey. Nobody wants those, so we have a
lovely couch moment with Andy and Nicole where they kind of
bring us up to speed on who theyare and their life goals and all
of that. They are polygamous, but they do
not have a second wife. They are believers in plural
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marriage, but they are living atus as a monogamous couple today.
They they believe in the principle, but what they don't
seem to know is how to make it happen.
They are struggling with how to transition from, you know, their
testimony and the principle and knowing that this is the way
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they were meant to live. Except seemingly not wanting to
live that way at all is kind of what we throughout the episode.
Like, it's a little bizarre. It's a little bizarre.
Yeah, One of the questions that gets posed is how do you date a
woman while you're married? And that comes up a few times.
Not sure that it ever gets answered because it's not ever
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answered. Andy says that this is on his
mind a lot, so he says this several times throughout the
episode. He's just thinking about it all
day, every day. It is on his mind constantly.
He's obsessed. It's a lot.
So I guess when they're talking,I think we go from the couch
moment to like them grilling in the mountains or something,
(06:59):
right? Like, aren't we kind of like
popping back and forth between this picnic that they're all
having and these things? Kody asks him.
So yes, we don't know yet how todate somebody else.
But then Kody, while they're grilling, maybe, is that when he
asks him, you know, are you opposed to dating somebody that
(07:22):
already has children? Right.
And Andy kind of says I'm actually opposed to dating
someone who doesn't, right? Because, yeah, that's so much
easier to blend families in thatway, I guess.
Right. Like what?
It was weird. I guess I just don't think they
know what they're. So he certainly thinks about it
all the time, but they don't. They do not know what they're
(07:46):
doing. Like this is like, oh good Lord.
Right, because along with the has children, doesn't have
children because Kody doesn't even know how to respond to him.
He's like, oh, you have your theories or something?
Because it's like, what are you even saying?
And then something comes up about an age gap.
Do you know how this starts? OK, so he in some fashion says
(08:09):
that the people that don't so, so as if there's not a mid 30s
woman that doesn't yet have kids, he kind of implies that in
order to date somebody age appropriate, they likely will
have children because he can't be a 37 year old man dating an
18 year old girl. OK.
(08:31):
Which again, I think it's just something that shouldn't have to
be clarified. I, I, I guess maybe the
assumption is that you're looking for somebody of that age
and you're trying to make it clear that you're not.
But it was a little weird. It was just a little weird, you
know, faulty. Yeah, well, this is it.
It's like they were, they started talking about it and I'm
(08:51):
like, whoa, did I miss something?
It's like, Oh no, they're just crazy.
He also then says something about how if you see someone
pretty OK, you don't want to be interpreted as a pervert or a
jerk. So I think Andy is dealing with
some of his own demons inside because I think Andy doth
(09:14):
protest too much a little bit about some of these things and
it's there's a few moments in which he comes across a little
creepy like that. Agreed when the talking about
the pretty people and he kind ofwraps up his bullet points of
weird words that you would associate yourself with if you
(09:35):
were doing this and and a littlebow with being like, but how do
you keep things appropriate? And it's like appropriate.
Why are you even? Worrying about what's
appropriate if you know that youhave like.
Yeah, exactly. You don't.
You shouldn't, you shouldn't be looked at as inappropriate if
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you're doing things appropriately.
Like, why is your gut feeling that people are going to think
you're being inappropriate? Probably because your gut is
telling you that that's where you would like to look for your
second wife is in a much, much younger woman, but you're trying
to convince yourself that that'snot what you're looking for, is
what you're doing. It's like, why is he using this
language? It's so dramatic.
(10:16):
The whole thing, every single way they talk about every single
thing is like, first of all, you're not going to succeed at
this if you try, you're not going to.
So please don't like, please don't.
You are not in any way, shape orform in a place in which you
will succeed in this lifestyle. That is not looking promising
guys. Do you think so, Allie Jesus,
(10:39):
Amen. We'll talk about Jesus more in a
minute. Oh yes we do.
We get to talk more about Jesus,which is great.
Now I thought it was interestingthe wrap up between their
transition, or at least the majority of the transition of
couch time out to this picnic table at by the mountains where
they're grilling and whatever they do show Kody and Andy
having some back and forth. But then right before they heavy
(11:00):
transition to the picnic table, Nicole is having a spotlight
moment where she says we have 6 kids and I'm like, did we know
this? Because I don't think we knew
this. I'm I'm not sure.
I don't think we knew it until she said that.
It just seemed to me like we've heard a lot from you.
Like there's been a lot of bullet points and now oh, you
have 6 kids. It just felt odd to me that I'm
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like why didn't we hear? Like usually the first thing you
hear is like we have 6 kids and whatever.
I I will agree that I think thatstruck me a little like, Oh
well, where are they, you know, or something like.
Oh, you have children. OK.
And when she's saying that, she's tying it to this point of
like, not needing dramatic change.
And to an extent because their family is large, they have 6
kids, they're in the middle of things and I'm like, but you're
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both looking for another wife. This is it.
It's the circle is not aligning.Yeah, yeah, she says.
A lot of counter well counter clockwise and clockwise things.
The circle never completes. But you know, Meri, just she,
she just reassures them that youjust jump in with both feet and
it's going to be fine. You close your eyes, you plug
your nose and you jump. Yeah, yeah.
(12:07):
Yeah, so that sounds like great advice.
It was it was awesome. Yeah.
So now is this the point where Andy stands?
He's he's standing up, maybe eating his burger.
And I don't, I don't have the exact words of how he said it,
but it he he offended the Brownsa wee a wee bit.
(12:33):
Because now that they moved to Vegas and they're living in
separate houses, they're not living together and it's almost
like a divorce, he said. Shared custody.
Oh, shared custody. And and almost like a divorce,
yes. So shared custody and almost
like a divorce. So, you know, I think the
implication there or what he goes on to say is that Kody's
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not with each one of his wives every night.
So it is shared custody. Christine did not like that she
had some sort of thing to say loudly, which I didn't care
about. Like literally like she was
like, I'm going to say that thatwas terrible.
And I'm like, you are so performative like whatever, but.
Well, it's also funny, like it'sjust funny that he would have
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the balls to say that when he's trying to get this advice on how
to live this lifestyle. And then you're accusing them
of, you know, fucking up their whole family, which by the way,
they did, but it was just kind of interesting.
I I don't remember if it was himthat said this.
Did he say that having a second wife would cut his family in
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half? Something like.
That it was. It was something.
Yeah. So he knows that he wouldn't
then see, you know, what's her name?
Nicole every night. And he wouldn't see his kids
every night and whatever. And she talks more about that
later, too. But they just keep giving
examples of why this is so hard and so challenging and they
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can't imagine it, but they're destined to live it.
And it's just, again, it's just like, what are you doing?
You don't have to. Nobody is tying you down and
saying this is how you have to live your life.
Now, I might be a tad judgmentalhere, which is very unlike me,
but Andy doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's solving a
(14:25):
lot of intricate or complicated problems.
I don't know that Andy's the brightest rock on the tree.
You know the sharpest. Brightest bulb on the tree.
Well, I wanted to say sharpest rock on the tree.
I wanted to say it two or three times wrong each time, but then
I fucked that up you. Were being intentionally obtuse,
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yes. And you know, that's what.
He's. Not he's like, oh, it's kind of
like you're divorced with sharedcustody.
Like he's not. And as we will see through this
episode, I don't know that he's all there.
It is not. The math is not mapping he's.
Yeah, and right. Like I'm not going to ask him to
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solve any of my problems, let's put it that way.
Fair enough. Meri talks about how she chose
polygamy because of her faith, and without her faith, she would
not have chosen this lifestyle because monogamy is the way that
the world kind of operates. And I thought there was some.
I think it's interesting that Meri's so comfortable saying
(15:29):
something like that. I think I don't know what she's
playing with there. Did this strike you in any way?
Yeah, it struck me as weird because they are all saying that
they are living this life by wayof commandment, I think is how
they referred to it. And that that if they didn't, if
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this wasn't their religion and their religion hadn't told them
to do this, then they wouldn't live this lifestyle.
And that's weird. Like you know what I mean?
Like why no Meri says that, but I mean, Kody says that he would
still choose the lifestyle because of love now that he's
found love with all of these women.
Janelle kind of waffles back andforth, right?
(16:12):
And she's like, well, you know, if you'd asked me years ago, I
would have said absolutely not. But now, knowing what I know
now, yeah, I would. Or something Like they've all
had these different experiences with it.
But I just think that there's a level of you are making it sound
as if you've been forced to do this and you have not been
forced to do this. You have made choices based on
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what you know. Fictional things in the sky give
you hallucinations about. And so that's why we're making
these choices and he. Referred to that flying thing as
a Flying Spaghetti Monster. But that's a whole separate real
religion that, you know, I so, oh, no offense, no offense,
(16:55):
guys. Oh.
OK, OK, never mind. Never mind.
I'm mixing up my my face. Or not talking trash No about
that religion. Sorry my wires got crossed in
the testimony. Alright, thank you.
That was a close call. Mm.
Hmm. Andy continues bringing us along
his journey with things like every single woman is a
potential wife when I'm at church, so I just keep my head
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down, yeah. Because he's staring at the
teenagers, that's why. Because he's looking at every
single woman in the in the placeand having impure thoughts and
it is full of shame. And for some reason his wires
are crossed so weird that this is just how he lives.
And that's what it is. And that's that.
All these rationales, justifications, but none of
which we really need to follow. But we do need to follow.
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And we're going to follow even though we don't want to follow.
We're not sure it's going to go great, but like my mom always
says, how will you ever know if you like it until you try it?
So that was the the last Pearl of wisdom and he gave us, that's
what, that's what my mom says. You'll never know until you try.
Wow these people are so fucked up.
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Like who makes lifestyle choiceslike marrying someone off of
this kind of advice? It is so bad.
It is so bad. I was not super comfortable.
With these. Conversations between these
people like there's something not right happening.
It's so true. Back at Christine's house.
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I think we have transitioned to Sunday morning.
They don't really tell us, whichis what's great.
All of a sudden we're just at Christine's house and we get
told that, you know, they're away from their household of
faith, they're away from their Temple of Whatnotness, from
their church cult. They're cult.
So Kody of course does Sunday services at different wives
(18:48):
houses because as a father you can act as the pastor of your
own family because sometimes when you look at their AUB, they
don't even really have real pastors and priests to a certain
extent, just the elder. So it's OK for a father to act
as such in his own household, which doesn't sound made-up and
off the cuff, and just because he's doing that at all, and also
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sounds like a cult, even if it'strue.
I think probably most men, head of household fathers, do take it
upon themselves to preach to their family.
I do think that that's likely. Oh, I would enjoy that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. They, you know, during these
services, they have prayer time.We see a glimpse of that.
(19:31):
They also sing hymns. And it is beautiful.
Just really lovely. Really, really, really lovely.
It moved me to thank God it. I didn't get quite there, but
that would take a lot for me. OK, so now the other thing is
that Kody being the gracious father figure, head of the
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household that he is, he also invites his wives to participate
in leading portions of these services, which is truly lovely.
And we do get a little bit of a glimpse of that.
Well, I just have to say how progressive and how forward
thinking to involve your wife and your own in home service.
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You know, every time I speak about Kody Brown, I give him
praise and thanks for being progressive and forward thinking
always. Always, always.
What's great about when we see Christine, you know, sharing the
gospel, sharing her sermon with the kids, She's standing with a
cell phone. And I don't know if there's a
(20:36):
voice over happening or what's happening, but at first you just
see a a glimpse of her and I'm going like, why is she holding
her cell phone? You don't quite put the pieces
together until she starts speaking and she talks about
being able to talk to God. I don't remember exactly what
she said. Do you remember exactly what she
said? No.
OK. No, just her prop that she had.
(20:58):
There something along the lines of there is a way that you can
talk to God. And so while her cell phone is
in the one hand, she's holding up this piece of paper as if it
is small signage and sharing it with the room.
And what is the phone number that she has on the piece of
paper, Honey? Oh, it's yes, because she's
saying you can always call on God.
If you need to talk to God, you can always call on him.
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And God's phone number is what'son her infographic here.
And God's number is J-E-S-U-S. Call Jesus.
Call Jesus. Jesus.
And thank you, thank you. We both reached for our phone at
the exact. Same time.
(21:47):
Oh, but what would the numbers be?
I need a. It's a text right?
Like you don't call. Jesus, I think, I don't know,
maybe. Jesus.
Well, can we? I'll call Jesus.
So just listeners, that's five Verizon Wireless, we're unable
to complete your call. Let's text Jesus and see if we.
Get I can tell you the numbers do you want to text?
(22:08):
Yeah, listeners, in case you want to text when we're done,
the numbers are. Oh yeah, 5378 seven.
OK, text Jesus or 53787. What do I say to Jesus?
Are you there God? It's me, Allie.
Are you there? God?
(22:31):
It's me dot dot dot Allie all right.
You could use Margaret if you feel like it, but you.
Know I you know that's not very original.
I know. Well, that's what they tell me.
I'm not very original. OK, well, update coming forth.
(22:54):
We'll see what happens. Oh geez.
Well, we'll see if Christine wasmisleading her children
intentionally or if she was really trying to connect them
with God. See, this is back during the
time that your children couldn'tFact Check you like every second
of every day, so. What's funny is we might seem
like we're being deliberately obtuse or challenging right now.
(23:15):
If there was a 13 year old boy, he would have, he would have
dialed it immediately and been like false, false.
This is a lie. Why are you lying?
He's a terrible influence ultimately, but.
It's amazing. Kody also shares the pulpit with
their guest of honor, Andy. So we get to hear from Andy
(23:36):
about his wisdom. And really, he's more of a
vessel. So God's coming through him and
speaking to the family. And he tells the tale of when he
was young and he was a child andhow people in their cult had to
hide. Everyone had to hide and bad
things happen in secrecy, is thetheme.
(23:59):
The what's nice about the what the Brown family is doing is
that they're opening things up to the world.
They're shining some light in those dark corners.
Anything about that? OK, well, a couple of thoughts,
feelings and opinions about Sir Andy's monologue.
And first, he was sure to tell everybody before he started
(24:19):
speaking that he had, you know, as he does, he doesn't prepare
for things like this. It's just off the cuff.
So like I. Said all of God.
He's a vessel. All of the things that he said,
yes, they did. You know, I was thankful that it
didn't appear as like a physicalmanifestation of God's Word
'cause that would have been a lot.
Stigmata. Something or just like the body
(24:41):
shaking as he deliver the word he's.
Almost speaking in tongues, yes.Very close, no, Barely English
actually, but yeah. That was just his Utah accent,
so. So Andy told us some stuff he
did. He he was saying it
complimentary towards the Browns, right?
(25:01):
That he was giving them some props for, you know, coming out
into the public so that familieslike Andy's who are not
polygamist cannot live their true life out in the public.
And so he's really proud of them, I guess.
And Kody was just super thankfulfor all of his praise as Kody as
when he is praised. So it was really moving all
(25:23):
around, all around. Yeah, any word from Jesus yet?
Oh God, let me. No, Jesus is ghosting me.
Jesus is ghosting you. We'll give him a little more
time. Christine, how could you do
this? Speaking of Christine, so we are
on a couch moment. On a couch moment.
(25:46):
Yes, we are. And Christine starts saying, you
know, after the church service and all the praise for the
Browns for being out in public and changing the world's
perception of what people think of polygamists, Mckelty told
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Christine that she was very proud of them, right?
For, for what they are doing. She didn't tell us a lot like,
about what she said or anything about like their whole
conversation. But Christine was in tears and,
you know, feeling very thankful that their children are starting
(26:29):
to recognize the reason maybe that they've gone through all of
these things because they know it's been hard for the kids, I
guess. Yeah.
But yeah, it was the big, big deal, big deal, big deal.
Yeah, I'm not sure how much of it I believe, because I'm not
sure how much of it I believed my bullshit detector was going
(26:51):
off a little bit. And I don't like to say that
about one of our main characters, especially a God
follower like Christine, but I think it might have been over
dramatized to fit the narrative.And I don't even think she's
doing it as a bad thing. I think it's once again one of
those take, take it and run withit.
And over time it becomes bigger and then the story is even more
to her and it means more. And she's literally welled up
(27:13):
and like talking. And I'm like a girl, like I
don't even believe you. So I, I hate to say it, I I just
don't believe it. But that's great that one of
their children said they were proud of them for making them go
through all of this for seemingly very little, because
it was mostly bullshit. As we know, it was mostly
bullshit, so. Well, I am going to air on this
(27:33):
side of If a teenage child tellsyou they're proud of you, you
probably will cry. That's true.
So that's true. I'm gonna give you know, not not
to push back too much, Chris, but I am going to say that I
think that Christine reaction was genuine in that it takes a
(27:55):
lot to get those reactions from these kids and it meant a lot.
And that could it be fake? Totally.
But I just think that there was something.
And the reason I do is because even after she said that Mckelty
had said she was proud of them. Christine said that like getting
any respect, like like she's tried like she has tried to get
(28:17):
some level of acknowledgement orrespect from Mckel T before to 0
avail. So the fact that it was offered
when not prompted was kind of like whoa.
That does make sense. You know.
And this is it. I I can't tell you why I don't
believe specifically. I don't have.
I have no case to build. You don't have.
(28:39):
Just my God-given intuition. Speaking of God, the church does
not support their their choice to be public.
And that's why some of this is so hard.
They're sure to to tell us that at the end of this couch moment
is that, you know, members of our church do not believe that
what we are doing is what we should be doing.
(28:59):
All the more reason that they appreciate the support from
brilliant Andy and sound minded Nicole.
Do you like that? It was words.
Yeah, but don't you worry, Ali, we are not done with our church
service yet. Oh, we have not.
We're we. Still had to hear we thought
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there was uncomfortable stuff before.
Like we it just gets worse. There's some inherently
uncomfortable shit in this episode.
Yes, and Kody is going to usher us through that uncomfortability
like the patriarchy is. He tells his family that there
(29:41):
are bullies in the world, there are bullies in their faith, and
Warren Jeffs has been bullying the FLDS community, so what's
nice? For 20 years.
So, so now we get to talk about Warren Jeffs.
So that's I guess our second bigpart of our you know, what is
this episode about the weirdos from Utah And then Warren Jeffs,
(30:04):
the cult leader who is now serving a life sentence for
underage brides and lots of different things.
So that's nice. Many minors.
Lots of minors. Minors.
And Robyn makes sure to let us know about the underage brides.
That's only the sexual assault. Child sex crimes.
(30:27):
Of the child sex crimes. Don't you worry, we're nothing
like that. We're.
Nothing like these horrible, horrible accusations.
Now. Oh, Robyn, you.
Know, Chris, I've never, I don'tthink, I don't think pretty sure
100%. I've never found myself in a
position so close to things likethat that I have to vehemently
(30:52):
deny that my beliefs that are kind of close to theirs are not
anything like this. So I just choose to not align
myself with anything that could possibly lead people to thinking
that maybe that is part of who Iam.
Yeah, I don't know. The only connection I can make
(31:13):
is the one that they did it fromthe beginning of this show is
the equal rights, civil rights, blah blah blah.
Where as a homosexual people arelike, oh, what's next?
Like, you're just going to have sex with children, You're going
to marry plants, you're going tomarry a a lamp.
And it's like, what the fuck? These are not things I am
saying. No one that I know is saying
these things. You are projecting that.
So there is an element of projection.
(31:36):
But definitely, like, the list is really terrible.
And yeah, I definitely don't associate myself with groups of
people where I need to disclaim the horrible, like felonies and
things that I'm not a part of. So I don't know.
Kody gives us a bit of a background on Warren Jeffs and
how he came into power in the FLDS, that they should have been
(31:59):
honorable and benevolent men. Instead they were evil, the
leaders of the FLDS, which is Warren Jeffs.
And then he mentioned some othername.
I didn't care, you know, it was some sort of like backwoods
Yahoo name. King Noah Benzemone, This must
have been a leader in their church.
I think he was saying potentially, but yes, he's, you
(32:22):
know, saying all these terrible things about these terrible men
and how they preyed upon their own communities, right?
They did that, but then they should.
So this is God, I hate this episode.
I hate this episode. There's nothing comfortable
about this episode. So then he's saying they preyed
(32:43):
upon their own community, but their own community should have
stood up to these men and taken control and said absolutely not
we will not. It's a call you fucking idiot.
Like yes, all cult members are so quick to jump up and say no
we will not. You know, like, what are you
(33:03):
talking about? He.
Literally said it took the stateof Texas to stop warring Jeffs
instead it should have been their own community and it's
like. Followers Robyn is like I just
can't believe the mother stood by and let this happen.
What do you think? Do you think they had a choice?
You psycho you they they were indoctrinated into believing
(33:25):
just like you loony bins are about the shit that you believe
they're indoctrinated. So like come on reality check.
Can we have one? Anybody?
Is anybody there? Are you there God?
It's me, Chris. It's me, Ally and Margaret's
back there and she is worried too.
(33:45):
Margaret is so worried now. The closest thing to some
rationale here though, honey, some closest thing to reasonable
thinking is that Kody does let us know that their community
does not support Warren Jeffs. So their little sect of the AUB
does not support Warrens. That's.
A pretty low fucking bar though,don't you say?
Once again, it's more language of like, we actually are not
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this, but it's like, OK. Certainly hope you're not.
I mean, duh are. We talking about like potatoes
and potatoes or are we talking about like frittatas?
And for T DS? I was going to make up word.
I've tried to make 2 jokes this episode and both of them failed
horribly. What was the first one?
I don't even remember. It was terrible.
(34:30):
It didn't land. I was when I was trying to say
things wrong on purpose and thenit was just stupid.
I'm. Sorry.
Yeah, it's okay. Well my ass knocking over that
drink really threw me off my equilibrium.
We have not gotten it back together yet.
Andy tells us that the wives live in secrecy due to fear of
government persecution, which ispart of the problem.
(34:52):
The secrecy lies in that they don't feel they can come forward
when they're being married off as a teenage bride or when their
daughter is taken as a teenage bride.
They don't feel safe going to the police.
It's not just that they don't feel safe going to the police,
it's that they know they will nolonger have a family, they will
no longer have a support system.They don't even know what the
(35:13):
outside fucking world is like. I mean, this is not just a let's
walk out, out and you're going to go to open arms and
somebody's going to fix everything for you.
That's not reality. So now they're having this kind
of conversation about these people that are in the AUB, not
(35:36):
the AUB, the FLDS, and, you know, wanting to, quote UN
quote, help them and see the light to know that they don't
have to live this way and they don't have to have this happen.
And if we could just have them emerge out into the safe world,
who's going to be their safe world and their safety net?
Somebody tell me. And then also, how are you going
(35:57):
to convince them that that's really a thing?
Because that's the biggest problem.
Well, this is it. It's inherently part of their
culture that they don't go into the public.
They are literally the human race is terrible, the police are
enemies. Everything is bad.
Warren Jeffs is your prophet. Warren Jeffs is.
Literally he was a prophet and now there are still.
(36:18):
They need to do and there's nothing set up when you escape
and you go to the police and then your family comes and says
they are mentally unstable and they need to be released to us.
And your family is in the cult. There's no one else.
You don't have anyone else you don't work with.
You don't have coworkers, you don't have people from school.
They're all in the cult, so there's nowhere for you to go in
the real world at all. It's it's so nice of them to
(36:41):
talk about wanting to help people and all of that, but you
know that that's not actually a reality.
And you know that there is stilleven the Warren justice in
prison. He is still having an effect on
these fucking people. And there are still people
playing his, you know, cards andpushing his buttons and doing
all the things. And it's lovely to think that
there's a way for these people to get out of, you know, they
kind of in a sense they're twisted like what they have to
(37:04):
want to get out. Like to an extent, they're like
they have to, they have to learnGod, they're are you serious?
Like they've spent their whole lives being told this is the
only way that life is so. And this kind of storytelling
about how the communities will be helped with transparency and
that they need rescuing also comes with these phrases that
(37:27):
almost rationalize it, where if you're not paying enough
attention, you might go, like, sure, Andy says.
The shadows attract the scum andit's like, OK, so that actually
is dramatic and stupid or whatever.
But when you're thinking about like, OK, if you're watching
this casually, I could totally see being like, yeah, I mean,
like, I guess if you stop livingand hiding, then there would be
less stuff. But it's not that simple.
(37:48):
And that's The thing is they go with these very tier one bullet
points and rationales and phrases that if you're not
paying attention, just seem likegood things to say or I.
Mean the scum is pretty out there pretty prominently in
these cults and doing pretty prominent terrible things to
people that still has not made it go away right?
(38:11):
Like they're still they're. Still FLDS members today, even
though their profit is in life for prison, for marrying and
raping underage children. So that's cool.
So that's cool. I just, I got so angry about so
many things. Did you catch the point where
(38:32):
Andy told us that he was a thug?He used to, You know, you're
hearing this from a man that used to be a thug.
Because when he was a teenager, he was a rule breaker.
Yeah, Kody said. Something about like, being a
woman, a mother versus this. I was like.
This is it. So they he makes this weird
(38:53):
reference and then Kody's saying, you know, no, we can't
compare you not following the rules when you were a teenager
to because Andy was trying to say what the fuck was he trying
to say? I don't, I don't understand what
he was trying to say, but Kody'sresponse and justification was
I, I think Andy was trying to give time, like time for these
(39:15):
people to learn what they neededto do and figure life out
because that's what it took him because he used to be a thug.
And Kody's like, these women don't have time.
These are 37 year old women who are about to marry their 12 year
old daughter to a 60 year old Jesus Christ.
I know I I wasn't quite sure what to take from that so.
(39:38):
I don't know. All in the name of these fucking
loony bin religions. Like I just cannot.
So that they can live in a celestial Kingdom together
forever, apparently, Christine says.
I don't want to talk poorly about these people in these
cults because I want them to, these people in these cults
because I want them to feel safeto come out.
It's mores of the same language where it's like who's going to
(40:00):
do what if they they can alreadydo it.
I mean, they can't live plural life publicly in the same way
you are, you are, they actually are.
They are not in prison. They have not been, you know,
arrested or anything. So I, I don't, I don't know,
there is something about that ramp up of the time where things
had happened. But I, I it's just it's all a
(40:20):
mess anyway. I feel like at the very least
they should acknowledge that if they would like to help people
that are in a circumstance such as the cult of Warren Jeffs and
all of this, that just welcomingthem with open arms if they
happen to escape is like good enough, right?
(40:42):
If you and your religion gets paralleled to this enough and
you find that acceptable, it might behoove you to actually
try to help these people and make a difference and give them
a religion alternative to their own.
That might satiate enough of theindoctrination without the
(41:07):
really terrible parts. Like maybe they should do a
little more if they actually care.
Because the examples that I can think of as you're saying this,
where people do that are people that are now like out of the
culture. They're like, they're to say,
right, Like they're doing the whole like missionaries in the
react the opposite direction, right, Being like, I can help
you. And those things are good
(41:28):
because when people flee, they get to go.
They can help them out with housing and potentially
employment opportunities like safe houses are very important.
But the the positioning on thoseis always that like you're done.
That's terrible. They're horrible, right?
There isn't anything in the middle of being like, Hey, we're
here to help and we're not goingto say you can't be friends with
your family and all these things.
It very much to me feels like itfeels like how you would help an
(41:53):
addict, right? And I'm saying that in quotes,
right? Because help an addict because
all you have to do is tell them that drugs are really bad and
they don't need them anymore. And then they can come to you
and then they don't need the drugs and life is perfect.
Like that's kind of how they framed this is well, we'll we'll
welcome them with open arms and then they should be fine and
it'll all be OK. And you know, it's not that
(42:16):
simple. Like it really does feel like,
well, as long as you just love an addict and give them an
alternative that that those drugs can't control their life
anymore. OK, sure.
There are parallels there for sure.
It is. It's like stop it, I should not
care this much about what these fucking crazy.
People say this is a weird episode.
(42:37):
It's weird. Cut to all of the adults are
going on a dinner cruise, like aboat dinner cruise on Lake Mead,
which is wonderful, Lake Mead. And then I was like, at least
Lake Mead isn't like Big Bear Lake where I'm going, what is it
really called? Big Bear and now Lake Mead.
That Big Bear Lake. No Big Bear.
(42:58):
Big Bear, but Lake Mead. Lake Mead.
It's not called like Mead. Like going to Mead.
Yes, it is Lake Mead. Now, I tuned all of that out
because I didn't even realize they went on a boat.
Now, I didn't know they were at a dinner, but I didn't I heard
the words Lake Mead didn't put any of that together.
That's how much I had to like shut it off after that Lassie.
(43:19):
And I was like, I'm done paying attention for a.
Second, well, at first they looked like they were on a
riverboat dinner thing, which I've been on many times living
near the Mississippi. On the Mississippi, those are
some good cruises and. They're they're like fun in
their own way. So I was like, oh, they're on a
river thing and then it's like, Oh no, they're in Vegas.
So they're probably floating on a boat on a man made lake or
something. Totes.
So I'm sure it was lovely. So Meri asks why they want to be
(43:42):
polygamous Nicole. Her responses are all pretty
much based on children. Like, oh, the kids can have
siblings and there's more wives to help with the kids.
And it's a little dot, dot, dot,ellipses, ellipses.
I'm just making this up as I talk.
And it's also funny because it'slike, yeah, you haven't.
You don't have your. They don't.
Want to be polygamous? That's the deal.
(44:05):
They don't. They've given us zero reason
other than their cult that they want to be polygamous.
If someone was to ask me why it is that I should be an out and
proud gay man, I would at least be able to have three to five
bullet points that are like, here we go, here we go, here we
go. Like it is what it is.
This woman can't even say anything beyond children.
Now, Robyn, because she is so brilliant, asks for some
(44:28):
clarification, rightfully so, asking if there are any benefits
outside of the testimony. And then as they're talking, I
guess they're trying to allude to that.
Robyn is asking about relationships with sister wives.
I don't know that she says that right off the bat, but that's
where she's going is like, what about relationships with sister
wives? And then Nicole listed some
(44:48):
benefits. Still, whatever.
No, Nicole did not list any benefits.
Actually what Nicole said. Sorry, apologies.
Well, this is it. What Nicole said was, Huh,
interesting. No, I don't think I actually had
thought at all about what a relationship between me and my
sister wives would look like or what that support would be.
(45:09):
Because yes, she references that.
It'd be great for the kids. It'd be great for the kids to
have more support of different moms and this and that, but not
anything about like an interpersonal relationship.
And she has not, as it turns out.
Right. It's giving the Sister Wives
pause because of course they're going.
I shouldn't say this, this is meprojecting, but I'm sure in
(45:31):
their heads they're all going Like, no, the number one fucking
thing is that you have fucking sister wise.
Like the number one thing is that there are relationships to
manage with this other woman. Like you're talking about the
children. Yeah, that's great.
But like, all right. Like all and not it it, it
doesn't necessarily mean that this is like happy go lucky.
I can't wait. I'm going to be BFFS with my
sister wives. But there will be relationships
(45:51):
with your sister wives that you have to realize are a reality.
Which I felt like the reactions even seemed a little strong
considering the conversation they were showing us on tape
because why they didn't say, well, you know, you really do
need to consider your relationship with your sister
wives. It's like they didn't even usher
that in. It's almost like they were being
like afterwards, like gotcha. Like oh, she didn't even talk
about it. Like well Oh my God, you guys
are so immature about the whole whole fucking thing.
(46:13):
But obviously, we don't know what the whole conversation was.
We just know what they showed us.
So that's true. To be fair, though, it could
have been that benign. Now, Christine says that those
comments made her very sad and that she does not believe that
Nicole and Andy are ready for plural marriage.
Shocking. Shocking.
Shocking. Yeah.
(46:36):
I never would have. Never would have imagined.
I don't even know what to say, Meri and Kody both tee up.
You know, questions about what their hesitations are like.
What are you? What are your fears?
Yeah. What are your fears?
Nicole says that Andy won't be there all the time for her and
her kids. Whoa, wow.
(46:56):
Duh. These are the fears.
Oh no, he's not going to be withme every night.
He's not going to be with my kids every night.
These are our fears. And it's so hard, but it's what
we're supposed to do. It's what we're supposed to do.
We are sacrificing our relationship because this is our
testimony and this is the lives that we are supposed to live.
(47:18):
And it's worth it. No, it's not.
You both are telling each other that it's not worth it and
you're saying it out loud in 19 different ways.
And then you're pretending that there's this calling that if you
don't do it, what, you explode. Like that's not what happened.
You don't have to fucking do it,you.
(47:39):
Don't have to do it. They're delusional.
God, when someone says they're willing to sacrifice their
relationship to live a lifestyle, that's based upon
that relationship structure. And completely unnecessary by
the way, BT dug like. Shaking like I needed you to
call 911 because it's oh, make it make sense, God, make it make
(48:03):
sense. I just.
It it. But now they're surrounded.
It's infuriating. This is it.
It's annoying as fuck and they're surrounded by these
people that we are watching on ashow like fucking Meri, who's
like, you won't know the benefits of plural marriage
until you live it. Like girl, I'm pretty sure if we
were to take you out for two drinks after this and get the
(48:24):
real deal from you, you'd be like, run the other fucking
direction. Seriously, you know it's true.
I can't handle it. It's it's this delusional choice
that is not a real choice. We're going to sacrifice our
relationship. Why?
Why? But you know Kody.
(48:44):
Kody does let us know that they're plural.
Marriages are just like any usual marriage.
You know you have to work at it.Except four times as hard.
Like, every marriage is hard. Every marriage is hard.
You want four of them, you're going to have to work four times
as hard. It's not going to be easy.
If this seems daunting to you, don't fucking do it.
(49:06):
For no reason. Oh except for a made-up, you
know, celestial Kingdom thing. But rest easy alley, Kody loves
his wives so we have nothing to worry about and everyone should
just live the way he does because he loves his wives and
that's great. I feel like they also just gave
a real simple piece of advice that was like, you know what?
It's OK, you just have to find someone who accepts the whole
(49:28):
family just exactly how they areand then we can be totally fine.
Yeah, that works. That's how it works.
They also made a joke about a book, Polygamy for Dummies,
which I thought was yeah, special.
I was going to suggest after that social media video giving
Cooking for Dummies to Robyn, but it would probably be too
much of a step. Like we'd have to start
(49:48):
somewhere below cooking for dummies like.
Robyn, these are ingredients youcould use if you chose.
Oh, you could buy the like the Nestle chocolate chips and it
has the recipe right on the bag,right?
Start there, right. So I don't have anything else.
Do you, honey? No, it was awful.
Yeah, Buck, Andy, Nicole, you seem all right.
I feel like you need some more self esteem, girl.
(50:10):
Like you got to like do something because like, this
ain't working. This is also a long time ago.
I hope you have found some self esteem and some self worth and
realize you shouldn't ruin your marriage for the sake of some
bullshit made-up reason when youalready know this was going to
happen. Hey, if you want to come talk
and tell us about it, we're open.
We're. Open.
Amen. Nicole, you want to chat with
us? Send us Adm and you can tell us
(50:33):
how wrong we are about everything we're saying too.
We'll let you say that's OK. Yeah, maybe there's something
obvious we're missing and I would blame it on production
because of their editing. Classic, Chris.
OK, now darling, I'm going to ask you who your mustard seed is
this week. Wow.
I know. This might be the hardest one to
(50:54):
ever try and come up with something for.
I feel like we could both pick even a child and it would be OK,
frankly. OK, OK, that's a good
suggestion. Like I don't like any of the
adults in this. No, because it was irritating.
I, you know, I'll go with, I'll go with Maddie and her new hair
(51:15):
and, and her trying a new attitude because for a teen that
is big, that is big. Saying that out loud, giving you
props girl, for taking it into your own hands and not letting
yourself be miserable longer than you have to.
Yeah, as a 40 plus year old man,when I have those mini
epiphanies of like, you know what, you're just going to
choose to have a better attitudeabout this and then you actually
(51:35):
do. That's wonderful.
And I wish it happened more. So being a teenager, that is a
big deal and we will see in future episodes, I believe, if
my recollection is correct, we do see a a change in her.
I don't know how quickly it is, but there is a change in Maddie.
So that's great. And of course, I'm going to pick
Hunter for my mustard seed to counter your Maddie because even
(51:56):
though he was only in the episode for just a few seconds
and he's carrying his football equipment, at least he's signing
up for something that he likes. And it is going to have positive
effects. He is going to be by the end of
this school year, he's going to be like the coolest kid in his
grade and everyone's going to want to be his friend.
So mustard seed for Hunter? Love it, love it.
(52:16):
Shit stain. I am going to pick Andy.
Good choice. Good.
Choice and I'm going to pick Andy because I think Andy is
wrestling with some demons and don't particularly like it.
Don't think he came across as a particularly great, you know,
(52:38):
God fearing human and also just,you know, it's kind of gross.
So, yeah, Andy. Yeah, some self reflection
needed there for sure. My shit stain is going to go to
Robyn perfect because of her twocents.
And like I said earlier, everyone's begging her to keep
her change to herself. She just really starting this
(53:03):
rewatch. I didn't know it would grade on
me so much that she has this like know it all thing about
things she doesn't know anythingabout.
I knew I was going to hate her. I already knew I was going to
hate her because what's not to hate?
But then I found a new thing to hate, which is like, you think
you know all this stuff about shit you know nothing about and
you need your camera time and you need to be heard and you
whatever. And I guess she really coached
(53:23):
her well into becoming this, youknow, solid, strong person
because before that she was nothing like it.
She needed well. All that time, she took to
herself to reflect. Reflect and to prepare and now
she's back and better than ever.I'm sure her ex-husband has seen
footage of the show and is like,there you go.
Our keep sweet moment this week comes to us from Apple Podcasts
(53:46):
and it's a review from C Bodine 100 and it's titled Must Listen,
which is so wonderful because thank you for telling people
they must listen. It's succinct, they say while
waiting for the next season of Sister Wives, I found this recap
podcast 2 weeks ago. I can't stop listening.
Thanks for bringing me so much joy while talking about my
guilty viewing pleasure. Oh, isn't that sweet?
(54:09):
I really do love it so much and it's really fun to hear that we
we totally appreciate all of that.
It's nice when you're nice. You don't have to be nice and
but but it's nice when you're nice and that was really kind.
So it would. Be nice if we were more nice
more regularly we're. Not I don't.
I don't think we'll be received in the same way if we just start
(54:30):
being nice. Well, this is it.
I mean, you know, the guilty viewing pleasure is for sure.
That's part of the reason we started this podcast is finding
out that we both watched this show where it's like, I don't,
I've no one to talk about this with.
And I think a lot of our listeners feel the same way.
There's no one to talk about it with.
So if you feel like you're here listening to us talk about it
and you're like yes, or you're like no.
(54:51):
Who knew this had been boiling and building in us for decades
now and we just had to get it out.
It just was like and here we arenow.
Oh. Jesus still never got back to me
yet, that slumlord.
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