Sister Wives Season 20 Episode 1 Recap - Why I Want To Be A Monogamist - My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You.
Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim. Sweetie.
Just look at the mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife in the kidneys over all these years and the
sacrifices that I made to love you.

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Welcome to season 20, episode one.
This episode is titled Why I want to be a Monogamist.
We learn a lot. Some things we wanted to know,
some things we did not want to know.
This episode is split into two because it was beefy, it was
big, it was beautiful. No, it was a lot.
So we split it into two. And the first part we're going

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to be putting on our streaming and on YouTube so that you can
get a taste of the in depth analysis you've come to expect
from the deadbeat losers. The second part is going to be
on our Patreon. Also, the rest of the episodes
for Season 20 will be on Patreon.
Thank you for everyone who has signed up.
And if you haven't signed up andyou're going to now, we look
forward to seeing you there. Season 20 episode one, Sister

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wives, why I want to be a monogamist.
What a lovely title for a show about a polygamist family.
Now, Allie, I want to start by pointing out two things before
we jump into the episode 1 is a tidbit from the previously on
segment and then one about the intro.
Do you have anything about thesethings that you that's like

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burning in your bosom that you have to?
Share No, I think I'd love for you to do both of those things,
but I do want to maybe shed a little light on how I feel
watching this current season versus our past season, rewatch
it and like how I felt myself reacting quite differently and a

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little more viscerally maybe. Sure.
Well, for anyone who, right? For anyone who's finding us with
this episode right now, you're listening on YouTube, on
Spotify, wherever we host a sister Rives rewatch show, my
Sister Wives podcast. Welcome, welcome.
There's brownies over by the door.
You are here. Help yourself with some coffee

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and bars. So we are basically midway.
I know, I know, midway through Season 3 in our rewatch.
And so anyone who's familiar with us has been on this journey
with us. And now coming into season 20,
it is strange because we are taking a giant leap from where
we are to today's episodes. And I mean, I didn't go back and

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watch season 19 to like freshen up.
Not saying that anyone needs to with the show, but you know,
it's almost like we're just jumping ahead over a decade.
Yes. Now to clarify, we have seen all
of the past seasons, we just haven't done like re watches of
all of them in recent years. But we were not doing any of the
most recent season re watches either, right?

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Yeah. So we there's a gap in what
we've like recorded about the show, but I just and it's funny
because in the previous season re watches, we have so many
feelings and thoughts because weknow where they are now.
And so to jump to where they arenow, I'm like, Oh my God, you

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guys are so like it just I feel even more frustrated, you know,
with all of it, Like just all ofit.
I just was more and more frustrated the whole fucking
time. When I don't know about you, I
feel like with watching more recent seasons, watching it when

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it airs, blah blah blah, Not watching it for the sake of
discussing what I've observed. Yes.
I was like, what? Like even last season, I
honestly could probably give some bullet points, but I don't
know, like most of the time I watch them and I'm like, I don't
even know what I just watched. Like we're just consuming.
Them as a viewer and that's fine, right.
So we're just like yeah, whatever, but when we're

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actually kind of tracking what has happened yeah.
And then you get the little flashbacks or you go, Oh, no,
they did not. No, they did not, you know, and
just these, these things. I just felt it was amplified
quite a bit more being at current day, comparatively
speaking I guess. Well, I'm excited to hear your

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thoughts, feelings, and opinions.
Are you? I don't know if anybody should
be oh, I think you are going to hear them if you so choose to
listen. I think some people want to hear
it. So the two bits before the
episode starts on the previouslyon where they go over primarily
like season 19, I'm assuming there's a part where they're

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flashing to what has happened with everybody giving a brief
synopsis. And there's a part where David
Woolley, Christine's husband, Christine Brown Woolley, who is
now remarried. And so like, if you, oh God, if
you're watching our show and like, oh God, this is going to
be a little weird. If you're listening to our show,
it's going to be a bit disjointed.

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But David, her new husband, well, one point when they're
showing him and he's talking about something, he needs
subtitles. And I just, there's just
something about someone speakingEnglish while being filmed in a
confessional. We're not talking about like in
some loud, noisy environment, right?
Where like, oh, what did they say?
It's like a bit muffled, like he's just sitting in front of

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the camera talking and they haveto use subtitles.
Yeah, I don't think that's the only time that has happened.
Yeah, he doesn't enunciate and it just all kind of flows
together. It definitely does.
I'm not going to do an impression because I would not
do it justice. The first thing I was

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heartbroken by in this episode was that we didn't get a new
intro. I'm like these bitches, this
show, you know, randomly they switched up the intro from the
voice overs to this quiet thing and then they would change the
photos. It's still the quiet thing with
photos from the last year, 2 years, three years ago.
I'm like, we are on season 20 TLC.
This is one of your cash crops. Like have an employee spend 8

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hours creating a new intro. Like it's really, it just makes
me feel as a fan, like sometimeswhen shows are just lazy and
it's like you're just being fucking lazy.
Like, give me some more shit. Which they're lazy at the end
too, because they do a preview for what's coming up in the
season. No new footage from anything
that we've seen in a commercial or a teaser online.
Nothing. Like you couldn't even give us

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one new thing in the first episode, the season premiere.
So TLC, if you're listening, youhave one disappointed viewer,
let me tell you. Now we will be back, but.
Well, it's you can choose to do nothing about it because I'm
here. I'm just voicing my frustration,

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really my disappointment. It's like a I'm not mad, I'm
disappointed. So this beautiful new episode,
this big, beautiful new episode opens in Flagstaff, of course,
because that's of course where we have to start.
And we're at Kody and Robyn's house.
They're kind of giving us AI guess, a reintroduction to our

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The People's couple. Did anything Robyn say in this
part mean anything to you? This opening?
This reintroduction? The only thing it wasn't like,
all I remember was that Robyn was giving kind of a description
of how the family was doing a little bit to kind of kick it

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off. And she said it's a painful, sad
mess. Like that's where they're at.
It's a painful, sad mess. So that's what's kicking us off,
right? OK, and I'm over here laughing
so terrible, so God. Yeah.
But the first thing that I have logged in memory, you know, from

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God just trying to block it all out, is Kody talking about being
on a roller coaster. It's been a roller coaster.
He reviews how sometimes with his wives.
So he occasionally talks with Janelle.
He rarely speaks with Meri, and he only talks to Christine when
it comes to things about Truly. Now for any of us who have read

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Christine's book, that means he has spoken to Christine less
than like five times in three years.
So that's like non existent anymore.
In fact, they have had court, state sealed court proceedings
about child custody agreements and arrangement.
No press can get a hold of it. Like the state has sealed it.

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Now one of their attorneys did areally good job at that for
sure, because normally these things would come out, but he
basically has no relationships with his ex wives.
We already know this. No, but what he says is like the
only time Christine and I communicate is about like pick
up and drop off times, which makes it seem like there is like
a regular visitation schedule orsomething, right?

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And seemingly that is not the case.
So very nice framing there, Mr. Brown.
They probably had to do it at least twice it.
Was sure. So it's not false, right?
It's just misleading. Yeah, OK.
And when he was talking about his roller coaster, yeah, he
said some days he's vengeful andangry, and some days he's

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benevolent and kind. And it's like, yeah, you must be
fun to be around. Yeah, you know.
Kody and benevolent. That sounds accurate.
Yes. A joy by the end of this
ketchup, or whatever we want to call it.
Ketchup. One of Robyn's favorite
ingredients. Kody does say I actually did

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love them. Like when he's acknowledging
that he has drugged them throughthe mud.
He has made them sound horrible.He never loved them.
They are torturous. They have ruined his life.
Cut to now and he's like, well, I actually did love them.
But what he didn't say is, you know what, I behaved really
badly and I regret my actions and I am very sorry for how I

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treated them and I should not have done that.
Yeah, that was missing. I didn't hear that.
No no no, self reflection seems to be 1 of Kody's weaker
strengths. OK, well, I just wasn't sure.
I thought maybe I did miss it and.
No, I didn't. Blacked out for a second.
Yeah, no, no, you're still with us.

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And that did not happen. Yeah, yeah.
We'll see by the end of the episode.
We'll do a. We'll do a What is it?
Like you there. Yeah.
Pulse. Check a pulse check.
Yeah, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, he is.
He is holding his fingers against his throat in a pulse
check. Vitals.
A vital check. A vital check.

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Wow, going great. OK, then we take a trip up to, I
believe Lehigh slash Salt Lake City area.
Like I think Christine and David's house is in a suburb of
Salt Lake City. I think it's a Salt Lake City on
the thing. When, when?
Yeah, that's that's what they'relabeling it as at this point.

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So we cut up to Christine and David's house, which we've seen
in the last season or the seasonbefore.
It's their place. Ironically, they just, Christine
just posted a thing on her social media in this last week.
They had an open house. They're trying to sell it.
So she was giving away autographed books that people
came to tour the house. So she was reposting some fan
photos. One of them they like had a

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photo of them with Christine in the house and then another photo
on the story that she shared wasof the outside of the compound.
So like while this person was there, maybe they live like an
hour away or two hours away. They probably drove by the
Lehigh house, too. That is crazy.
Now I would have done the exact.Same way.
Well, I would have too, but I would not have put it in the
same post and then expected Christine to share it.

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Like what? Yeah.
So anyway, they're at David's and her's house, which is, you
know, a nice newer build. Christine is making Tuscan soup.
She's getting all the ingredients ready and whatever.
Now, what I will say that I loveabout a Tuscan soup from
Christine is that at least so Christine has to be a better
cook than Robyn. But Christine's rocking the

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like, you know, four or five ingredient easy, blah, blah
version of everything. So if she's chopping things up
that are fresh and not coming out of a frozen bag and all of
that to put into a soup, color me impressed.
I'm happy. Oh yeah.
I think she's turned a big corner with all of that in the
last few years. Like she does like cooking stuff
on the insta and stuff. I think yes, you know have.

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You ever watched any of them? Well, no, but I just assumed
there would maybe be a little more to it than that, no?
I think it's a lot of take out your cream of mushroom, cream of
chicken, cream or whatever. Don't judge, no judgments.
But this is not like you need a cook.
You know, the things that you make where you eat.
This doesn't even need a recipe.I know, yes it the soup looked
lovely. Yes, absolutely.

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Her and David are talking about first year of marriage, right?
And how he says that he thinks the trials and tribulations are
heavier when you're younger because you're just figuring out
more in general. And that now at this point in
life, they seem to react less tothings.
Well, they were saying that thattypically the first year of
marriage can be really hard or that people say it can be one of

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the hardest years of marriage. Which we've actually talked
about recently. Yes.
And I, Christine was like, but Idon't think ours has been, you
know, and and that's when he waslike, yeah, I think for younger
people. But we're kind of settled into
our ways and we knew that kind of getting into it and so yadda,
yadda, yadda. But they did reference that the

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first year of their marriage washard, not because they were
fighting with each other, but because of Garrison's passing
and that that had obviously beena really, really hard time for
the whole family. So.
I was a bit distracted. I don't know what I was thinking
where I didn't know that a Garrison reference would come so

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quickly in the episode. And honestly, I mean, it does
make sense. If they started filming right
after the last season, of coursethey're going to start with this
topic. In a sense.
I don't know what why I'm such an idiot.
I just was like, oh, that's right.
Like it's like you get I got hitin the head or something a
little bit about it. Like fuck.
Well, I think, you know, sometimes you just don't know

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how families will want to talk about that after the fact.
You don't know, if, you know, sometimes people try to maybe
push it out of your mind a little bit and not have it as
front and center or something, you know, I don't know, it's
hard. It's really tough.
So they certainly all seem to benot wanting to not discuss it.

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They're still wanting to very much make him a part of of where
they're at right now and all of that.
And I think that's wonderful if they just overall seem to be
handling it quite, quite well for the situation, I guess.
And we do. We get more on that later.
Christine and Janelle of course,and assuming Meri, yes, Kody and
Robyn, who knows we that might be a different story.

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Remember when we were re watching an episode?
Oh, it was when we were doing oh, oh geez, don't you know,
it's when we were doing our bookclub for becoming Sister Wives
and Christine was talking about how when she married Kody, he
had 1000 mile stare. Is that the phrase?

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Yeah. Something like 1000 mile stare.
And I remember when that came upand I kind of questioned what it
legit meant. And you explained to me, it's
like almost like when you're looking through someone.
And I felt like for a moment when David was talking to
Christine about it, she's pausedand had that like that look off.
Yeah, yeah, I can see, I, I can picture what you're talking

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about. In a different context,
certainly. Yep Yep.
But reminded me of that same when you witness someone
detaching and kind of going through something.
Yep, Yep, Yep, absolutely. So that hit my, that hit me in
an emotional bone. And I was like, OK, like, we've
all been there. And like, this isn't just a show
for her. She's probably very, which is

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probably still very sad. Well, this is genuine.
I mean, those are real, real things.
Yeah. Yeah.
Christine then just kind of gives a little bit of a recap
of, like, where everybody is, right?
So she says they're all kind of quite separated.
So she's in Salt Lake and and that she says that some of her
kids are in Utah. Right.

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Gwendolyn is still in Flagstaff.Obviously.
Kody and Robyn are in Flagstaff,and then Meri's in Parowan and
Janelle and, you know, some of her kids are in North Carolina.
So everybody's just kind of scattered quite a bit.
Like, they've been a lot of changes as to where everybody's
at, you know? Yeah, the geographic separation

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seems to align with like their family separation, not in clear
delineations and borders, but just that like they're all over
the country now, like they're everywhere.
Yep, Yep. No, she did actually end with
Meri last on her list, which is a great segue into the cut to
Parawan, OK with Lizzie's heritage in in beautiful

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Parawan, Utah. We haven't even had the chance
to discuss Parawan nor Lizzie's heritage in, I was going to say
Lizzie's heritage. And then it's like, no, it was
Lizzie's. You were right, Chris.
You're right. We haven't reached a a place in
which this has come up. OK, OK.
To our listeners, this place maybe brand new and trust me,

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you'll once we get to season whatever when it's introduced,
you'll hear all about it. But basically Meri's at the
Heritage in. I don't remember what she calls
it now. Like I feel like she has some
term for the bet, the B&B maybe.Maybe she's still calling it the
B and BI. Think so.
So we get to catch up with Meri,some spotlight moments and some
voice overs. She's also talking with Jen in

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this scene where they're teeing up something, but you can't
quite tell. I, I don't know, I feel like it
was just Meri talking and Jen responding.
I don't know if there was anything that I took from that
other that. Other than that, Coyote Pass is
still a thing, right? Was there anything else?
I think they were talking about the speed dating thing.

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Like. Getting ready for that like she
was like steaming her jacket so she didn't look like a rumpled
up mess going into the speed dating.
Of course, yeah. She also told us that she has,
you know, good relationships with some of the family, but non
existent relationships with someof the family as well.

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She doesn't give details. She doesn't say who's who.
But yeah, that was a pretty I think they all kind of have that
distinction, right. So.
Yeah, and like I said, she kind of leaves us with that Coyote
Pass is still a thing that they're trying to clean up.
Then we. Well, Speaking of clean up, yes,
this is all of a sudden we have Kody telling us about all the

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stuff that needs to be cleaned up on the property on Coyote
Pass. This was so funny and so
classic. Like probably any divorced
couple to be. Honest.
Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
But yeah, Janelle left all the shit behind, you know, from her
camper and all of that. And why should I have to clean
it up? I don't think that should be

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something that I have to deal with.
And Janelle, when asked, you know, she had to have been asked
about it, right? And she goes.
I think it's his stuff, right? It was like, of course it is.
Which is so amazing 'cause you know, for the footage that they
had, they did show a like drone shot of where her, what is that

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thing called from when you come off the road like the driveway
that she was parking the traileron or whatever and there was
some stuff there. Yes, OK, fair enough.
Meri, you know, talks a little bit about, like, I don't know,
He always seems to be putting iton me, like I'm supposed to be
doing things. Yeah.
Like, what is Meri supposed to do?
She's. That what is she down there?
What? Did Meri ever put on that

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property other than a folding chair and then fold it back up
and take it with her? Like come on now.
The two things that I think withthe property 1 is now it might
be my old age and my memory problems, but I thought last
season, I think it was last season when he met with a
realtor out at the property and he was talking to him about all

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the things and his wives and blah, blah.
And he's like, I've got all thisstuff out here for my failed
businesses. It's like, don't we have footage
of you actually saying you have junk on the property from your
businesses like it's on the show?
There's probably like one thing that Janelle left behind, like
one thing. Like I'm not cleaning up your
one thing. Exactly.
And until that's gone, I'm not starting with my mess either,

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you know, delusional. And did we forget about step
uncle grandpa daddy's picnic tables that they painted last
season? Those are Robyn family
heirlooms. So they, they, they made us
watch for like an entire episodethat fucking family paint a
fucking picnic table that was out at Coyote Pass that was not
Janelle's or Meri's. So I don't know.

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I just am calling bullshit on the coding business.
As you should, absolutely, yeah.So of course, because talking
about the wives with the Coyote Pass and what's left, and of
course it's all Janelle stuff and she's like, I think it's
Kody's, which you're right, the tone in which she says it to is
like, I think it's just his stuff.
I don't know. I am not bothered by what this
man is saying because I know that this is not my problem.

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Like she's like, you can't work me up about this.
It's so good. Exactly.
Oh man, so they cut to Janelle in North Carolina at Maddie and
Caleb's house. Now we are aware that she's
moved in with them. She's staying with them.
They purchased this land to create Tata Farms.
They got a good deal on some acreage out in North Carolina.

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Been following along as a watcher of the show on the
social media, seeing them over the last two years.
Line up permits, get things set up with yadda yadda yadda.
Now in recent weeks they have started putting up foundations
and framing for the home slash homes.
It's hard to tell if it's just one building or two, but they
finally got some ducks in a row to get the property.

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Like there's, they're going to be able to start doing things.
I wasn't sure where they were atlike current day so.
That's awesome. It took like 2 years to get all
that stuff and people are so quick to, you know, say things
are going to be a failure. Also, working with government
agencies is a nightmare so. They're starting from scratch.
There's nothing there. Yeah, there's literally nothing

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there, so. Two years.
It's actually pretty reasonable to probably get things started.
And I also have to say for people that are talking shit on
the Internet about how Janelle can never have a flower farm,
I'm not sure that Janelle and Maddie are thinking they're
going to have like rolling hillsof all these things.
I think they're probably going to have like an event space.
So they're like, go pick your own flower patch kind of thing.

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Little nicer than the way I'm saying it.
But these people online being like, you don't even know what
it takes to have a farm. I'm like, do you think Janelle's
really making a farm? Like, I don't think so.
It's more like hobby farm slash retail in my opinion.
Listen, I love the concept of whatever they're doing.
I'm sure they have all of that worked out, whatever that means

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to them now. I love that you're like
defending her, right? And doing this because all I'm
thinking about is the one night she couldn't make it in a
teepee, you know, so sometimes and and you know that she's
going to live in the RV and thatdidn't last very long.
And you know, sometimes Janelle does make very big decisions.

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She was a real estate mogul. Yeah, and think.
That she's going to start in thegym, yeah.
And you know, she doesn't alwaysso and not, you know, whatever
she's we love you, Janelle. Hopefully her daughter is a good
partner in this venture because I think Maddie seems a little.
Even though I don't think Janelle takes nonsense, Maddie
seems a little less. I'll take your nonsense.

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Yeah. And I think they really are
working this to be a business tosupport themselves.
And so I'm, I'm hoping they're taking it seriously, but super
excited that they're at that point because I was curious.
Yeah, things have started. Of course only, you know, social
posts of like literally 2 two byfours and stuff.
Yep, Yep, Yep. But hey.
Not stock photos, real progress.So this is when we're cutting to

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Janelle in North Carolina in thekitchen at Maddie and Caleb's
home. And she's like, oh, I just, I
love being a grandma 'cause I get to make these fun foods for
the grandkids. And then the camera that's on
Maddie and Caleb as they're sitting at the island, Maddie
goes over to him and goes like, I bought those.
And also we're using the term make lightly because it is

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frozen cinnamon rolls in a tube that we are just setting in a
pan and throwing in the oven. She did pan that pan.
It was. It was greased.
It sure was. Sprayed it and then looked like
she might have been her first time putting cinnamon rolls in a
pan. I'm not sure, but you know,
Maddie was supportive even though she was like, I actually

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bought those. But whatever.
She's trying new things. Janelle is keeping busy.
She's occupying herself when she's having these spotlight
moments, confessional moments. Was there anything that stood
out to you? No, I mean, she just yeah, she
said she was was trying to meet people going to like community

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stuff, right. And taking classes and, you
know, just doing all sorts of stuff, which I really like.
Like, good job, Janelle. You know, especially being in a
new state with all of this stuff, not having any friends.
Like, I'm glad she's trying to meet people and make friends.
Like thumbs up. Janelle, Maddie and Caleb start

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discussing like current situations such as Coyote Pass
and things with Kody. Issues with Kody, I should say,
rather than things with Kody. I'm not sure that we got
anything major from Janelle in that conversation, but then we
cut to a spotlight moment from her where she's talking about a
potential spiritual divorce thatMeri, with Meri telling her

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about that in the last season and letting her know that it
sparked something in her for maybe I should go about doing
that. Well, I did get a few things
from that conversation. And 1 is that when Janelle
referred to Coyote Pass, she said it was still a pain in her
ass, which I loved. I'm like, fucking A, right?
I think Maddie asked her or madesome reference to how Kody

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always has to do everything so fair.
And Janelle was like, yeah, fairto Kody Brown.
Like, he doesn't care. And then Maddie was like, I'm
sorry you're dealing with that, you know?
So that was interesting. That's his reputation in the
family. Like all the wives say in any
deal, he's always coming out ahead.
Weird. Yep, Yep.

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So that was pretty clear. And in one of her spotlight
moments, she also said she no longer feels the pull to plural
marriage, which I guess I assumed.
I I never considered that she would potentially go.
I didn't think any of them wouldever go back to plural marriage.
I just assumed. Yeah, I think Janelle, the way

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that Janelle has spoken about plural marriage and polygamy
over the last few years, she hasbeen the one that's been the
least like, yeah. No, I think she, from what I can
recall, it just seems like she is very passive about all that,
like creating a label, making a decision.
Like even with leaving Kody, like, I feel like Kody probably
didn't even know that she had left him officially, like in

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her, you know, like when she made the stamp for for Janelle,
when she made that decision, Kody did not know for however
long, you know, probably don't, like, went to lunch and he was
like, can we reconcile? And she's like, what?
Like, no, like we haven't even seen each other in months.
So I think she's a bit not pushing on those things.
So it is like the first time to really hear that significant of

(28:46):
a statement about polygamy from her.
Yeah, yeah. But yes, then the spiritual
divorce, which she hadn't reallyconsidered before, right?
And now is going to do it. Yeah, it's, it's a weird thing
with these, a duality with thesewomen with leaving the faith,
needing the divorce, not needingthe divorce.

(29:08):
It's not a legal divorce if they're not part of the church,
what does it matter? I I'm curious about Meri.
I think maybe because of Meri's like traditional bent and like
the way that she operates, it was just important for her to do
that, particularly being the first wife and actually having
been legally married to him. I think that probably had a
different weight, but with Janelle, I mean, see, I would

(29:30):
want to get a divorce too, just to be like, we're fucking done.
Do you know why I think Meri didit?
I've never had this thought until right this second.
I think Meri did it because she didn't really have anything else
to do to separate from Kody. It was the only thing she could
do to signify that this was overin more of a fashion that it
already had been forever. That totally makes sense.

(29:51):
Oh, plus at the beginning of oneseason some producer was like,
if you don't do this, it's goingto be like a snooze fest for the
show. Like you need something because
that's what produced, you know? Like you have to have something
going on, girl. Janelle did make a funny little
point. She said that she just really
believes that polygamy should belegalized.

(30:11):
And, and, and she refers to it initially because she's trying
to say that, you know, wives areentitled to like assets of the
family. And there's no, you know, clear
way of that happening at this point.
But then she says that if it were to be legalized, polygamy
would certainly be non existent pretty much immediately because

(30:35):
what man's going to do that? What man is going to split up
all of his assets with 410 or what?
You know what I'm saying? Like no one would so.
Absolutely. To be held legally liable to
this many people in any capacitywould be like reason enough not
to do it. Yes.

(30:57):
Funny. Very funny because, yeah, from
Janelle, who seems to have been so passive about polygamy and
making any changes or whatever. She's such an enigma.
Kody wishes he was an enigma. Janelle truly is.
There you go. Janelle also starts speaking
about Garrison. Another Garrison moment where I
was like, oh, yes, that's right.OK.

(31:18):
Like this is going to be part ofthe episode.
And she says that some days are good and that it's, she sounds
to me like a lot of people in grieving patterns and going
through the process. Some days are good.
Then some nights when she's lonely, a photo will come up on
her phone, triggered by different things that make her

(31:40):
sad and miss him. Yeah, and she said that she
thought that staying in Flagstaff might have been harder
after Garrison had passed. She did say that she was 100%
certain that they had buried himin Wyoming, I guess, and that
she knew that that was the absolute perfect place for that

(32:02):
to take place as well. So but yeah, just that she she's
happy where she's at in that sense, and that she, you know,
her grandkids give her life, right?
So that's that's the best part about what she has going on
right now. Yeah, man, so this is the thing
about the first episode. I was hoping for some drama.
I was hoping for some Gimme Life, episode 1 of the season,

(32:25):
TLC, Gimme something. And I feel like there's
something moments where either, OK, well, we do have Nevermind
the end towards the end of the episode, yeah.
Nevermind. They are giving, they do give us
something, but the first half, Imean, this bit with Maddie is
like heavy and tough and like, Ihate to say it that I sometimes

(32:47):
don't even want to feel things for Maddie because she kind of
drives me a little nuts. The whole like her vibes, her
nests, which we have not built over the the last seasons.
We haven't talked about this person except for being a
teenager moving to Las Vegas, you know?
But we're now having these moments where, like, anyone who
is listening to this episode, who has has been following along

(33:10):
with us on the rewatch and hasn't seen the show, Maddie is,
as you know, Janelle's daughter,but she's now a mother and has
children and is married and living in North Carolina.
And Janelle staying with her, aswe briefly covered.
But now the producers are havinga spotlight moment with her and
Caleb on the couch. And she starts talking about,

(33:30):
well, they're asking her about heavy things, primarily talking
about Kody Garrison relationships.
Like several things are covered.The first big bullet point for
me was when she referenced talking to Leon after Garrison's
funeral and unpacking everythingfrom their years of trauma and

(33:54):
family dramas and breakups and turmoil.
And then they actually do give us a visual flashback to footage
of Maddie and Leon from the lastseason where I don't know if we
I think we do hear Maddie talking for a bit in it, but
it's not super in depth. It's just demonstrating that
they have this conversation. Maddie's sad for Kody, Robyn and

(34:15):
the kids. And she said she would apologize
for potential pains that she hascaused to like all of them, like
if she had an opportunity to have the conversation.
This is what I think is tricky about this whole conversation
piece is because it's kind of talking out of both sides of
your mouth at the same time. So yes, I feel bad for them and

(34:37):
I, I, if I cause them pain, I'm happy to apologize and what have
you, But I'm also angry, like I'm angry at Kody.
I, you know, so she, she has both of those feelings.
And I think what what she she says she has nothing against
them and but also that she can'tcontrol how she reacts.

(35:01):
So she's angry and she doesn't mean to, but you can't control
it. She recognizes some of her stuff
that has caused things in the relationship, but also like
still pissed. So it's just a circle that keeps
going and going and going, but there's no resolve.
She literally says I know I played a part in talking about

(35:22):
the things with her dad. So there is some
acknowledgement. And of course, the first thing I
thought was the first thing withmy head was Kody mean like the
gossip, they're all this gossip and blah, blah, blah.
And I can't talk to Janelle. I can't talk to Maddie.
You know, there's probably an element of truth in that.
There's something where maybe I wouldn't label it.
Family is this is that This is afamily.

(35:44):
Of course you're going to do that.
You know, look at all these people.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, it's probably a little crazy.
They don't have more drama than they did, you know that is.
True. That is true.
Yeah, definitely dynamics with her dad.
And I think that's pretty obvious.
Like, I don't think either one of them, they kind of like, you
know, give us sanded edges and don't tell us any details.

(36:05):
But clearly, like, she refers tohim as Kody.
He's not her father. Like, he is not friendly in her
vocabulary. Like, she doesn't speak highly
of him at all when she's talkingabout Kody.
And they're having these, you know, it's always a little tough
when the cameras just on a person and you hear them pausing

(36:25):
and they're trying to gather thethoughts are holding back tears.
And she says you just want your dad to show up.
Oh yeah, she almost had to walk out of the room.
Yeah, she was like, I might needa minute.
Yeah. So that shit's heavy, you know?
And and then she said she's trying to learn not to be

(36:46):
disappointed, which is always funny, right?
We've had many different conversations about it.
But it's like, OK, so at some point you have to change your
expectations of people if you want, like they can't totally
change who they are as a human being, right?
So of course you can try to hopethat there will be something

(37:07):
change in certain fashions, but you can only have certain
expectations, right? And she's trying to to say that
like, I can just let him be how he is and receive it how it is
and just not be disappointed that that is just what it is.
And go through it. I was like, oh, that is tough.
That is tough, tough, tough. Yeah.

(37:29):
That tie in with Leon and how Leon, based on this
conversation, what I think we'resupposed to surmise is that Leon
has told Maddie like he is who he is.
I've kind of come to terms with it.
You just kind of got to let it go.
And particularly given what Leonhas gone through in their life
and the choices they've made that do not align with Kody's

(37:50):
red pill nonsense lifestyle at all.
Like then, I'm sure Leon has hadplenty, has had more time and
more of a quick ramp up than other people when it comes to
like, my father is never going to accept me and I have to deal
with the disappointment in that relationship on my own.
Like, what are the expectations?I can manage, of course, because

(38:13):
this is a show about this entirefamily, including Kody, to give
him an opportunity to come in with his spotlight moment saying
that he would love healing with all the wives and he would love
healing with all the children. But they can't because they're
at an impasse because it would all be on their terms.

(38:36):
It's weird that it's like you'regoing to have distant
relationships with all of your children.
We well, thirteen of your kids or whatever the number actually
is, it's probably let's go with like 10 or 12 to just be kind to
Kody. You are going to not have
relationships with 10 plus of your children because they have

(38:58):
expectations that you can't meetas a father when really everyone
can see you don't show up, you don't call, you haven't been
Maddie. I think last season she was
like, he hasn't met his grandkids.
Like he met them once or something and they're like 3
years old. Like this isn't normal.
This is not normal for a parent to have this relationship with
their child and think it's OK. And I mean, how inaccurate is

(39:21):
that statement just in general though, right?
That it's only on their terms. You know that that's not true.
You know that they aren't sitting there and saying meet my
demand or else that's not it. You guys literally just need to
fucking talk about it. And they need to share their
feelings with you. You need to hear their feelings,

(39:44):
acknowledge their feelings, and then you can also share your
feelings with them, vice versa, you know, yadda, yadda.
And then hopefully come to a place where you could
communicate again. Like, wouldn't that be nice?
Right. And you're telling me that the
only people are to blame and that it's at an impasse is

(40:05):
because of just the children? You're their fucking father.
As a viewer, the only evidence that I have seen has all pointed
to the fact that the children have all been reasonable, if not
excessively reasonable. And like literally willing to
probably be like, I'll let it all go if we can start fresh
today, dad. Like, that's the vibe I get from

(40:26):
most of them. Some of them, they might have a
little bit more resentment. They need to work through some
things potentially, but that that as a parent is an easy
thing to say. I'm going to take this on
because like, I care about my flesh and blood.
Yeah, where is the crying? I really miss my children.
Human. Being like, how are you not

(40:47):
saying that they are in tears because they don't like how this
stuff has been handled and they are feeling about that and
you're still sitting here being an asshole and now they're going
to see that this is how you're still being and they're going to
be like, Nope, he's still a fucking asshole.

(41:08):
No point in doing that. You know what is he doing?
What an idiot and an asshole. Like.
Narcissistic parents man. It's even worse when they're on
TV apparently because my God they get that.
So at least he gets to say this to someone and have some
validity somewhere. And no wonder Robyn's pissed all

(41:28):
the time. She's like, you've got to do
something. And he's like, I will not.
And it's like, what? Are you serious?
Yeah. I just cannot imagine.
Well after Kody's giving us his dumb ass fucking insights, the
wives kind of all had their opportunity for a voiceover
discussing how there's, you know, you need trust.
If there's a lack of trust, there can't be a relationship.

(41:51):
Like kind of pointing out these bullet points on why they are
not connected. Meri says she just wants them to
all get to a place where they can be kind and civil.
Like that's it. And that's not a high bar.
That's not a high bar. Kind, civil, you know, you can
still have all your feelings. You don't have to handle the

(42:11):
drama of it. You just have to be nice and be,
you know, civil. So that's Meri's goal, I guess,
for everyone. Christine says you need trust in
order to do this in relationships.
And that is not something they have right at all.
And then, yeah, Maddie then saidthat she is, you know, just

(42:34):
still learning to see him for who he is and come to peace with
that in a sense. Like, oh, she said this is where
she said Leon has done a good job of coming to peace with
that. Or, you know, kind of
recognizing back to their other conversation, saying that she
thinks Leon has gotten to this place, but she hasn't gotten
there yet and she really wants to.

(42:55):
Yeah, She talks about how he doesn't know how to show up for
his children and how that likelymeans that he's hurting and he
hasn't dealt with it, which is what we've discussed on this
show. I'm sure the other thoughtful
people that analyze this show that you might listen to or see,
maybe have brought up the connections between his distant,

(43:19):
allegedly abusive father, his upbringing now, how he reacts to
his children. At least Maddie's saying
expressing these things that do make sense from the perspective
of like hurt people, hurt people, blah blah blah.
Right? Like he's doing a self
fulfilling whatnot. He's living the cycle,
perpetuating the cycle. Right, so we are back at the B&B

(43:45):
and Meri is they're with Jen, Jen's I think going to be a big
part of this season. Great.
And they are getting ready to gospeed dating, right?
And they're just so goofy to get.

(44:05):
I do like their friendship. I think it's kind of cute
because they really just are like weirdos together, you know?
But Meri tells us that she needsa man who knows and loves this
bitch. And then she starts laughing,
all funny and snorts. Yes.

(44:26):
And it was pretty special. Yeah.
I think that's all that stuck out to me.
Yeah. You know, the thing I'm going to
say is that Meri thinks Meri is so funny.
Meri thinks Jen is so funny, Yes, Jen thinks Meri's pretty

(44:46):
funny. And so that's their thing is a
lot of fucking laughs, yes. Stir laughs and laughs and
giggles and laughs and snort laughs.
I'm not so sure that I'm a fan. You don't think it's as cute as
I do? OK, I heard.
Heard. It's funny because it shouldn't

(45:07):
annoy me. I don't think it's annoying when
friends laugh. We laugh all the time.
We wouldn't be friends with them.
That's why it annoys you, because you sound like the humor
that you would. Like, I'd be like that
laughter's covering up a whole lot.
But it's it's PG laughter too, which is not.
It's PG laughter serving as a blanket, a guard, a shield, as a

(45:30):
makeshift, whatever it is for decades of repression and
conditioning and whatever. I suspect that Meri still has a
little bit of a mountain to get over when it comes to her
conditioning, her upbringing, her way that she's navigated
these things, the way that Kody treated her for so long.

(45:50):
All of these things. Obviously, I'm no therapist, I'm
no psychiatrist. You're not going to get any real
diagnosis for me. But my diagnosis for Meri is a
little bit of like, I'm just going to laugh today and I'm
just going to laugh. Laughter makes it all go away.
Like, girl, it's not that funny.Like she's laughing at
everything. I just think she's happy.

(46:11):
You think she's? Well, I guess that could be
true. I love it because I'm like, I
love Meri's energy right now. OK, I actually do.
Oh, this is hysterical. We are not on the same page with
this I. Am I making it sound like I
don't like Meri's energy? Well, yes, OK, yeah.

(46:32):
But I just think she seems happy.
I really, really do. I think that that's true.
A She is looking fabulous, OK. Meri minus the hair has never
looked better. Yes, it is like she is looking
amazing and I just do think she has like a lightness and an
energy to her that we have not seen in this way before.

(46:56):
So I feel like. She's just unaffected by gravity
and reality. Just kind of.
Kind of actually, probably yes, yes.
It was a lot, but that's OK. I also like that she has some
very TV friendly teeth now. Now tooth, well, I'm not going
to tear her apart about the tooth, but I have to mention the

(47:18):
tooth. The tooth is white and we're all
happy about it. Thank you for that, Meri.
When discussing speed dating as like, a topic, they do give a
moment for the other wives to give their, you know, $0.02.
And Christina's like, no, I never considered speed dating.
It's like, oh, that's because you met David on farmers only

(47:39):
while you were still with Kody. And so that's your deal.
Like, you know, she. Oh, yeah.
She had all these dating opportunities.
She met a matchmaker. OK, sounds good.
I'm not so sure that the timeline aligns with that as far
as her coming together with David.
OK. Not that that's important, but
she's making it so. Oh, yeah.
No, no, no. OK, girl, I think you just
didn't do that. Janelle.

(48:01):
I love Janelle when it comes to men, she's like, Nope, nothing.
No dating, no apps, no nothing. Like if I'm going to be, if I'm
going to be with a man, it's going to be because we've known
each other for a very long time and it's a very organic process.
We are friends and it develops. I'm not interested in any of
that. And I'm like, God bless you.

(48:21):
She's playing the long game here, ladies.
And gents and I identify with Janelle in this very moment of
my own life. I'm like, I'm not searching for
it. I'm not.
It would have to either fall in my lap in some sort of crazy way
or would have to be something where it's like I've known you
for a long is this, you know, like it couldn't I?
I'm not searching at all. And I think you're not searching

(48:42):
at all. You guys, Janelle, you guys, Ali
is searching. I'm going to post.
I'm going to post some links to her dating profile so you all
can go catfisher. You are losing your mind right
now. He's delusional.
He is, he is. What's the word I'm looking for?

(49:02):
Brilliant. Well.
Not that one. Nope, that's not where I was
going. Touched and talented.
Oh again. Yeah, that's what it's going.
For all these hallucinations on this podcast, the word for
podcast with most hallucinationsgoes to my Sister Wives podcast.
#Hallucinating. That's a weird connection when

(49:27):
it comes to men. Meri is looking for someone
kind, outgoing, super confident,6 feet or taller, and they have
good kind eyes. Did I miss anything on that
list? You got it.
You nailed it all. I was hoping I got all of it,
but the list was a little bit much.

(49:48):
Now, she did elaborate on the kind eyes because she said
there's just, you just know everything about a person if
they have kind eyes or somethingthat it was very declarative,
the the kind eyes piece. And I was like, the fuck, you
can't. Yeah, like.
What right? Okay, Meri, good luck with that.

(50:09):
As if there's any what Meri would be the person you would go
to to be like. Tell me about seeing what
someones like through their eyes.
No, no, yes. I also did think it was funny,
like the six foot and taller. I'd really like a tall man,
someone 6 foot or taller and I'mlike, that's not even that tall.
Like I that's really not. I think I think that might be a

(50:30):
dig to her ex-husband it. Certainly was, obviously it was,
but I just was like, that's funny, you know, low bar again.
Having flashbacks to when Isabelle got her back surgery
and how she may have been tallerthan Kody with the results from
straightening out her spine and he was like there's just no way.
Like his ego was like crushed by.

(50:51):
So I'm glad that Meri got the six footer taller in, because if
it made Kody feel insecure for aminute, then I'm proud of that.
Amen. Back to Robyn's dollhouse.
I love it when it just like makes me giggle that I can't
control it. I'm like.
Oh, well, you know her big, big girl Dolly house in Flagstaff.

(51:12):
Robyn's just filling us in on a few things.
We're getting keeping keeping track on our getting up to speed
with Robyn and Kody and the brood.
And she lets us know that it's just us at their home, you know,
regarding their life and their kids.
And we're going to see them getting ready for school.
So right at the beginning, there's a moment where where

(51:32):
Kody is telling us that Robyn nags him to work it out with his
other kids, which again, is justlike this beautiful way that
he's framing this whole, you know, family falling apart that
he has right now. But yes, Robyn nags him and it's
like she wants you to. I mean, I'm not giving Robyn too
much credit here, let's be honest, because she caused half

(51:54):
the problems, but you know, likeyou should have relationships
with your children, you should try to fix this.
You are not doing that and she sees it and she's fucking mad at
you for it because she knows that's not the right thing to
do. Yeah, Of all the things we've
seen and heard and witnessed of Robyn in the lifetime of the
show, this is one of the most reasonable.

(52:16):
She is like, you really should fix this with your children.
And he's like, oh, she's naggingme.
Well, and by the way, anybody telling Kody anything is nagging
him basically, right? Like there's not a that's not a
it's, it's a pretty big bag as it falls into nagging so.
Now, one of the highlights of the episode for me personally

(52:36):
was watching Kody brush Sir Solomon's hair like Solomon is a
delicate little doll. Well, it's funny that the doll
thing, but you know, just getting Solomon ready for
school. This is what we do when we're
getting ready. Now luckily, Ariella, Ariella,
Ariella Ariella doesn't have school for an hour after

(52:58):
Solomon. So Solomon gets ready and then
Ariella Oriola gets ready. Ariella.
Ariella. Ariella.
Ariella gets ready for school, so we're seeing Kody brushing
Solomon's hair. I had to do a quick little
Google search after one of our adored listeners filled us in on

(53:19):
some timeline things for Robyn'spregnancy.
Solomon's birthday recently cameup on one of our RE watches that
it is the end of October. Well, Solomon, while they filmed
this, is 13 years old now. I've never had a 13 year old.
I don't know how people parent 13 year olds in the daily sense

(53:41):
of getting ready for school and doing whatever, but while I was
watching it, and I don't know, it's weird because I don't want
to talk about the kids too much.I'd think we're in the same boat
of feeling uncomfortable about that.
But it's like, why is he brushing his hair?
Like you're sending your 5-6 year old to kindergarten?
It's like he's 13, a 13 year oldand he's combing his brushing

(54:03):
his hair like he's a 5 year old girl.
Is this normal? Well, I don't again, being
careful about how we're we're framing it maybe, but so I do
have a 13 year old. He wouldn't let me anywhere near
his head to brush his hair at all.
So I, I was wondering that because I was thinking, you

(54:25):
know, if my son was 10 maybe andlike not really getting himself
ready, I, I, maybe there would be a time if his hair was
sticking up or something, I'd behere, let me put water on it
and, you know, help you brush that out fine.
Certainly a time that that couldhappen.
Maybe if it was like 10 or so, because I was trying to think,
would I have done that? Is that normal age?

(54:46):
Is it not? I didn't know the age at the
time. 1313 now. No, like I can't even tell my
kid to hurry up and get it moving without it being like,
mom, don't, I'm coming like you're not doing that.
There should be. I don't want to say should be,
but in my home my child is taking care of all of those

(55:07):
things completely by themselves and then rushing out the door,
barely saying goodbye in the morning, you know, so.
And of course not every 13 year old is the same and needs the
same things. But something struck me, as a
non parent I need to emphasize that of this grown ass man

(55:28):
brushing a 13 year old boy's hair in front of the mirror.
Like he's just not capable of doing this.
Like weird. Weird to me.
Very weird to me. When I was 13 my parents were
not brushing my hair. I just don't know.
And if it was a one off, becauseKody did say, oh, you got that,
that one always sticks up or something.
So maybe he really was trying tohelp him gets, you know what I'm

(55:49):
saying? Like maybe this isn't an
everyday occurrence. So that's where maybe I'm like,
I don't. Yeah, I.
Don't. And the whole staged bit of
like, look at us, we're good parents getting our kids.
Yeah, if, if at this point, you know, you have to do that every
single day or it won't get done,then yes, that's maybe something
I would look into, you know, butbut other than that, no.

(56:09):
What I'm trying to subtly suggest is of course the
infantilization of their children period across the
board. Like your 13 year old is having
his hair brushed. Like, OK, whatever.
One of my favorite quotes of theepisode is when we start getting
either a couch moment, a spotlight moment, a voice over

(56:30):
from Robyn where she's talking about the other wives and she
says when Kody's exes left, whenshe's talking about something.
Now, do you remember what she was talking about when this
sentence happened? OK, but instead of saying, you
know when my sister wives left or when the family split, she
says when Kody's exes left. Oh, that is an interesting way

(56:50):
to phrase that. All of a sudden, Kody, there's.
The intention behind that? That is not something you just
mistakenly say. Yes, yes, that was a slap in the
face. There's a voice over at this
point from Meri also saying thatshe didn't make Robyn a
monogamist by leaving and that she chose herself and so she

(57:11):
left the relationship with Kody and with her sister wives
because she was choosing herself.
Now mind you this is also when leaving Kody and the sister
wives for her was basically saying it out loud and.
Like just acknowledging reality.Just before that, they had shown
Kody saying, well, you know, nowRobyn and I are monogamous, but

(57:34):
we didn't choose that. It was chosen for us.
This is it. And so this is like their
framing of what happened is thattheir lives, they they had no
choice in this. That wasn't what they would have
chosen. But now, yeah, this is where
they are. They're.

(57:55):
Forced into monogamy. So Meri was responding to that
and saying I didn't choose monogamy for Kody and Robyn, I
chose myself. And she said I chose myself over
having a non existent relationship with Kody and a
barely there relationship with Robyn.

(58:17):
Like Robyn wants to make it seemlike that.
She's like, why would I stick around for something that's
getting less and less and less and less, you know?
And. Remember when they were
navigating through the COVID times and there was like the
reveal of the rules for the things and all of this stuff?
And like poor Meri was basicallyisolating by herself because she

(58:38):
had no one and was following COVID protocols for herself
because that's what she was choosing to do for her own
protection due to the pandemic. But that as far as a family,
like she could have seen Robyn and Kody and the kids so many
times. And I don't doubt that she
brought it up once or twice and then realized this isn't going
anywhere. Fuck Robyn.

(59:01):
She's so terrible. Terrible.
Your sister, wife is all alone in a pandemic and you're like, I
can't. Gross.
We're going to get there on our rewatch.
Well, but then it's. Terrible.
And then it cuts to Robyn saying, you know how hard things
are there now because it's such a different balance than it was
before. Because, you know, Kody used to

(59:22):
just be here a couple days a week, and now he's here every
day. Like, poor me.
Poor me. I have my husband all the time,
you know. And when exactly was Kody at
Robyn's house? A couple times a week.
Right. Literally now another funny
thing that happened and I don't know if you caught this or not
or if I am reading it right or not.

(59:43):
And so I I would like you to tell me.
OK, so Kody there, he's bringingsomething over to one of the
kids and says here's your schoolequipment.
School equipment. Which seemed fucking weird,
right? It's like a tablet and a.
And a cell phone. Yeah, OK.

(01:00:04):
Yeah. And so just equipment, I was
like you, you don't help them get ready for, you would say
school stuff like what are you talking?
Who says school equipment? It's like you're lying, right?
Like whatever. This is so fake.
All of it is so it. Was it was I was.
Brushing your hair? Here's your school equipment.
You cannot even pretend I'm like, OK, OK, so thank you for

(01:00:24):
recognizing the. Equipment.
Because no, I thought maybe I was a little nuts, but OK, good.
So the second thing he then tells Robyn that was it Solomon?
Solomon was putting the phone inhis pocket.
Yeah, yeah. And Robyn said, kind of under

(01:00:47):
her breath, but directed at him,that that's bad for your body.
You know that's not good for your body.
Now what did that mean? Well, it's the whole paranoia
about, you know, microwave radiation blah blah blah from
cell phones, is my assumption. Well.
What's the radius in which it's OK?

(01:01:07):
My assumption is that it has been proved and demonstrated
that anything coming off of a cell phone is not going to make
any difference, be it 2 feet away from you or right next to
your body. As far as I know, a phrase like
it's not good for your body, foryour cell phone to be right next
to you is from some people that probably line politically,
social, economically, blah, blah, blah, that I don't know

(01:01:29):
those people. I don't know.
Right. OK, that's that's that's what I
thought, you know. Probably meant, but I was like,
you're not really saying that out loud on television, are you?
And then, yeah, I'm like, you know, I was also distracted by
her in the scene. Because she's wearing this big
flowy shirt where she's like, she was pregnant, like she would

(01:01:51):
like bend over to do something. And I'm like, is she trying to?
Hide that she's pregnant and then I was analyzing camera
angles and. Things too.
I don't think she is. I think we would know by now
there would be a baby by now, right?
But I yeah, well, 'cause I, I'vegone down a rabbit hole a time
or two because there was also like a weird Instagram post

(01:02:11):
photo with someone, yes, where she looks like.
Hand on the bottom of someone's belly.
Right. So anyway, conspiracy still
exists that Robyn may be pregnant.
Right. Weird.
Oh gosh. So could she really be pregnant?
I can neither confirm nor deny, no.
I don't know. I honestly have no idea.

(01:02:32):
It would be shocking if she was pregnant.
I don't think she's pregnant, but we have to leave some
suspense. All right?
Well, we we will see. Yeah.
Jerry's out on Robyn's pregnancy, that top says.
Yes, our common sense says no, so who knows.
Another thing that Kody divulgesto us is that he thinks he's
being held more accountable withRobyn alone and individually in

(01:02:55):
their relationship than before with his other sister, wives and
all of the children. Now, was there anything rational
or reasonable about that? No.
I think what he should have saidwas I.
Never listened or let my other wives or children hold me
accountable, but I do let Robyn do that.

(01:03:16):
That does make more sense. That's what I think he meant.
Yeah, yeah, I totally. Disregarded my other wives and
my children. In fact, some of them I don't.
Most of them I still don't have any relationship with.
I have discounted them so much Ilisten to this one.
The nerve of this man. It's disgusting.
That's why I'm saying this made me.
So. Much more angry to watch like

(01:03:37):
the real time stuff now. Like I am so much more pissed
after where we've been in the rewatches and watching this all
crumble from the beginning and just seeing how he frames and
portrays his family and what he is responsible for versus is
not. And then says shit like this

(01:03:58):
that like your family's what we are feeling about our, you know,
thinking as we're watching this,his family has to be thinking 10
times deeper, crazier shit abouthearing what he's fucking
saying. Right?
Like, you know, that's what they're thinking going get.
No, you just didn't let us. You didn't care.

(01:04:21):
You didn't care that that's whatwe were saying to you.
Yeah, it's like a broken record.But there's something about
watching the show and paying attention to discuss it where
these details are so much more in my face than watching as a
casual observer. I feel like this has me
questioning so many things whereI'm like, do I just watch TV and

(01:04:42):
not even let any of this may have an impact on me?
Like I guess that's reasonable. I mean duh.
But for some reason, when actually preparing to discuss an
episode, even just watching it and writing some notes and
talking about it afterwards, I'mlike, this is so much more
impactful. Like these things are crazy.
This is nuts, crazy nuts. He also.
Has this weird. Line.

(01:05:03):
That made no sense as well. OK, He's full of that.
Full of that his first time, Yeah.
And. He says.
That he's done kind of the the walk of shame in their religion,
Yeah. From a wife leaving, yeah.
And. I don't think that.

(01:05:24):
It makes that much sense to be honest with you, but I'm like,
you didn't like, has he done that in the church?
Or something like has. He has something happened or
does he just know he's being judged?
Or is he using that phrase totally wrong?
Like, I'm just thinking of like a walk of shame as, you know,
when you're leaving somebody in a sense, right?

(01:05:46):
Not when one night stands, but yeah.
But you know what I mean. But not when they've left you.
Or something like, I don't. Where did you walk to?
You didn't go anywhere. They're the ones that went
places. Yeah.
And. Part of a church that you're not
a part of? Well, this is it.
Like so where did you? Walk where you were shamed.

(01:06:07):
And the finger. Was wagged where did that
happen? I I guess in the court of public
opinion, but they bring it up further into this episode.
They're not even a part of this church anymore.
So I don't really this is just something none of it makes any
sense. It's just an excuse for him.
He's so full of. Shit, right?
Like poor me poor. Me, I've been shamed in my
religion, whatever. You don't even care.
Like you don't even care becauseyou're not a part of it anymore.

(01:06:28):
So yeah, what do you mean? But he gets to be be a victim
because they left him. He's being judged.
God I hate him now. Another great reason.
To hate Robyn Another great reason to hate Robyn.
We do get this moment where apparently Ariella, Ariella,
ariella, Ariella. Apparently.

(01:06:51):
Ariela is go also going to her first day of school now.
OK, so you're brushing the 13 year old boy's hair because it's
the first day of school. I maybe I missed that and they
said it, I missed that at the beginning.
First day of school. So we have to hold everyone's
hands and put them in bubble wrap and send them in there, you
know, padded cell car. Robyn with all of her free time

(01:07:16):
and all of her crafts and all ofher junk journals and all of the
thousands of dollars she has spent on crap.
And she's a stay at home mom whohas no job.
Arielle is going to her first day of school.
Robyn goes into her literal junkdrawer that she pulled out,
which was no, we all got a drunkdrawer.

(01:07:36):
Some people have more than one drunk drawer.
I happen to have like utility drunk drawer, kitchen drunk, you
know, like you get the junk drawers.
It happens. She pulls this drawer to the
desk and it's like, my God, the number of writing utensils
alone. Like it was like, how do you
have hundreds of writing utensils in a drawer and then
like some scissors and rulers and tape jammed?
In the middle of it or somethinglike it was just it looked like

(01:07:59):
an elementary school, like a disorganized.
School like that took talent to create, really.
You know, like a special hoarderskill.
Yeah, so the. Reason I'm bringing this up.
Is because. Poor Ariel.
Poor Oriola. It's her first day of school, so

(01:08:20):
they're bringing her out to takea picture.
A picture she has like lined ruled paper and this pen that's
like Ariola first day of third grade and she's standing there
and I'm like this fucking unemployed bitch.
Stay at home mom can't even get one of those tick tock signs
where you move the letters. Jesus, this woman insane.

(01:08:44):
So she's looking through her stare, her radioactive junk
drawer for a pen to write on a piece of paper for her daughter
to be like first day of third grade.
Then she takes her cell phone and puts it in her back pocket
as she's walking away. And I'm like, you just tried to
shame slash scold your son for having his phone in his pocket

(01:09:05):
because of the potentially just like harmful radiation.
And then you just took a pictureof your kid looking like the
worst mom. Well, a terrible mom in my
opinion. And then you put your cell phone
in your pocket and walk away. That's probably what she did
with the COVID rules too, right?Folded them up and put them in
her pocket. Like you know what I.

(01:09:26):
Mean blew her nose at him and. Threw it away today.
We'll just let that part of the.Process pass we.
Don't care today. Yeah, it's like when Janelle
brought her a gift. During the COVID time, Janelle
brought her a gift. Like for a birthday or
something. And she was like, well.
I'll just leave it out here and like you can sanitize it.
Whatever, Rob. It's like no, it's fine.
And like brought it in inside and it's like hello anyway.

(01:09:47):
So she put the. Cell phone in her.
Pocket after chicken scratching,a sign for her daughter while
she has no job. Mother of the year after Robyn
is leading her children to a successful start of their school
year. This dumb bitch.
I know, seriously, she tells us that she has family that

(01:10:12):
questions her about whether her and Kody are going to continue
living in polygamy. What I love about Robyn is
there's so many times people askher questions.
There's so many times people just tell her things.
There are times when people justpropose to her out of the blue
and she has these stories to tell of the times when people
have asked or told her things. And I'm like, I'm sure there's

(01:10:36):
so many pressures coming from your family to be in a
polygamist family literally coming from literally cut to
later on in the. Conversation or like when
they're out to dinner At the endof the episode, Kody says you
had a family. Member ask you A.

(01:10:58):
Family member, she has not had conversations.
They aren't pressuring her. A family member asked about it.
Like, that's what I'm like. Stop it.
Stop it. You guys.
These lies are so fucking easy to catch.
Like, just don't lie. Like, just don't do it.
Yeah, they get caught in every one of them.
It's ridiculous. And it's like you can bring this

(01:11:18):
up without having to. Blame it on family.
Members asking you questions like this could be just your
concern, you know, like, Right. Well, and she says it's a big
decision. Yeah, duh.
Obviously it's a. Big decision.
Duh. And yeah, I'm sure people have
asked you about it, but don't make it sound like you're
getting pressured from the left and the right does that.
You got to get back into it. No, nobody's doing that.

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They're just being like, well, what do you guys think you're
going to do? Yeah.
At the last family gathering, someone said, Robyn, you are a
fraud. Like, give me a break.
Someone asked you a flippant question.
You know that probably happened in a different way.
But yeah, she's just. So out of touch.
I can't. I'm just like Oh my God,
whatever bitch. Whatever.

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Yeah, back in North Carolina. We're getting an update at Tata
Farms. Well, actually we're starting at
Maddie and Caleb's house. There are some visitors visiting
Janelle and the kids and whatever.
There's Aspen and Mitch and Christine and David and Payden

(01:12:21):
and some other people. So they're all at Maddie's
house, you know, just so excitedto see each other and do
whatever the vibe is. They're going to go check out
the property, but we're not there yet.
We're at Maddie's house, and Maddie lets us know that she has
been training for a marathon. Now this, the timeline stuff is
interesting because Maddie just had to have had her child not

(01:12:42):
too long before this. In clips for the future of the
season, we see her with a newborn.
I don't you know how they edit things, so who knows what's in
sequence and whatever, but rightbecause she was pregnant in one
of the clips that they. Show that was taped I think.
For this. Season, like I don't think it

(01:13:04):
was last season, like when she was crying about saying she
wanted Kody to show up for her or whatever.
Like you just want your dad to show up that she do you think
she was pregnant? OK, I didn't notice that.
But there's my assumption is that she gave birthright before
they started filming the season or in the early bets.

(01:13:24):
Who knows, it could. Maybe she's not even pregnant
yet and that's how crazy this production company is with their
timelines. But pretty sure she's already
given birth. She is training for a marathon
and she is going to race David. They're going to have a little
race of like, who's the fastest running down the block.
Let's be clear, David wants to race.

(01:13:47):
Maddie OK, that is more, that probably makes more sense.
It did come up in general because she's training for a
marathon, yes. No, I just think that he was
like, I'll race you, you know? And that's how this stupid thing
comes about, which is where we get some wonderful voice overs
and some. Camera moments from Janelle.
Oh God, I love it so as we're teeing up this race.

(01:14:08):
That's going to happen. Between Maddie and David on the
the neighborhood St., it's high back.
You know, Janelle has some interesting things to say and
she says that David, oh, he's charming, but he has an ego.
And the first thing I thought was, well, Christine definitely
has a type. And Christine later acknowledges

(01:14:30):
she has a type. Which is funny because it does
circle back to that, but the first thing I thought.
Was like wow. Interesting that Christine ended
up with a man who's charming buthas an ego, because Kody is,
especially when we first meet him in the show, he's charming
and he has an ego. Well, and I, I was going to say,
it's not Janelle doesn't. Say it like that.
She says he's charming, but he has an ego.

(01:14:53):
And like, you could say it, he'scharming, but he has an ego.
It's not that. It's like just a little
evidence, like a, you know. Yeah, he does.
He's, you know, he's got that. Yeah.
And she says, you know, Maddie'sgoing to win or whatever.
Well. Then cut to the footage and
David does run faster than Maddie.
He wins. He does win.
She has. Post.

(01:15:14):
Baby bosoms. There was there was some sports.
Bra needed and. If it was there, maybe a second
sports bra would help some. You know, listen, I got plenty
of girlfriends that are like, I need at least two.
I get it, I get it. But she was running, and he was
running well, and it was an impromptu run.

(01:15:35):
I mean, they weren't planning. Yeah.
They're not like in there leisure wear.
Yeah. No, no, no, it was.
Not. Appropriate.
Definitely impromptu out on the street.
I thought it was funny that. They both had so much confidence
and also funny that David actually won because he doesn't
strike me as the kind of man whowould run faster than the
average person. So that's interesting.

(01:15:56):
He also like kept looking at herand it was.
So funny because he would like turn his head fully sideways as
he's running like fast. And I'm like, if I tried to turn
my head that far sideways when Iwas running, I would certainly
fall. Like I would certainly trip over
my own 2 feet. And he did it like every couple

(01:16:18):
of seconds. And I was like, dude, just focus
on the the path in front of you,Sir.
Like Baby has a rich history of running and winning marathons.
Or something. Who knows if that was a rich
history? I love it, yeah.
If that. Was the detail.
I think they will should have included it so that we knew how
the photo of him like handing off the baton for the whatever.

(01:16:41):
Yeah, yeah, Christine jokes about it being like.
A rite of passage. And he laughs.
It's like, yeah, yeah. Because it was ridiculous.
What were you doing? Yeah.
You know, why did you decide that this is what you had to do?
Janelle even references that David has similar.
Qualities as Kody similar something draws some parallel
between Kody and him saying thatthey both have a big personality

(01:17:04):
and that they're full of blusterI do believe that's the word
that was used I'm like bluster are you familiar I don't know if
I know what bluster means let's just.
Give it a second. Have you got the time, darling?
Not the actual time, but the time I do I do.
I'm not in a rush. Bluster.
Talk in a loud, aggressive. Or indignant way with little

(01:17:27):
effect loud aggressive or indignant talk with little
effect. So I feel like that's probably a
little more negative than she was meaning in a sense like,
well, loud, aggressive or cause indignant.
Feels like, you know, yeah, I'd be Janelle if you can let.
Us know what you meant. That'd be great, Janelle, if you

(01:17:48):
could look up the word bluster and tell.
Us, if that's what you actually meant and said.
Now I think for Kody Brown that applies 150%.
Right. That's no question, zero
question that that applies to Kody Brown.
Curious if that was the intention towards David.
Seems a little misaligned but yes but.
I now I do think Janelle. Has some feelings about David,

(01:18:11):
right? Like I don't know if they're all
love. I think she's happy for
Christine, and she believes they're happy together.
But yeah, it's just so different, I think, right, it's
Christine and David's relationship is so polar
opposite to any of the relationships that were around
them. So I think she just struggles
with how to handle it sometimes.I think we're going to see some

(01:18:34):
very interesting things between.Christine and Janelle as far as
what we're talking about right now, like surmising things from
their relationship where Christine leaves.
I hate to say anything that makes Kody sound right, but a
union solidified between them because of their we're not with
Kody anymore vibes. I suspect we're in the middle of

(01:18:57):
reading Becoming Sister Wives. They're not necessarily best
friends, Oh no. So.
We'll see. I kind.
Of feel like the post leaving Kody Glisten sparkles might be
fading. And it's like, remember, we just
married the same guy kind of sense, you know, like no hate,
but like also, yeah, you know, but they do kind of they are

(01:19:18):
kind of trauma bonded though. You know what?
I mean, so, so there's a level of that that even if some of the
things are, you know, waning a little bit, I think that there
will still hopefully still be, you know, some sort of that
trauma bond. Those hang on pretty hard.
Yeah. They have these, you know.
This web with their. Kids, their kids.
All have really good relationships.

(01:19:39):
We also in the future and. Well, even upcoming.
In this episode, the location bits, I think they're there.
There's there's some passive aggressive, they're giving us
some. Yep, Yep.
Now, Christina's always. Preferred someone confident.
So she is not surprised to hear that, well, maybe David has some
of the same qualities as Kody because she's always preferred

(01:19:59):
someone confident. Yeah, she kind of, she said.
She said, yeah, I guess Kody wasconfident and David is
confident. You know, like she's finally
like, recognizing that they havesimilar qualities of sorts.
And do you know what I wonder? I wonder if there will ever be a

(01:20:20):
moment when also the wedded bliss wears off there a little
bit, that other qualities present themselves that maybe
are a little more similar as well and I'm not predicting.
It I'm. Just curious because when you
start to recognize similarities and then it may be like start to

(01:20:44):
get little ick factors here and there as you see other just like
OK, now I see that too. Yeah, you know, interesting.
Who knows? Who knows?
And Mr. Woolley has sisters thatare sister.
Wives. He has a polygamist background,
which Christine does dive into in her book.
Not that he has been in a polygamous relationship, but his

(01:21:05):
family is less entwined than Christine's in the faith.
But like maybe his relatives were in the like, sect that
killed her grandpa kind of thing.
Like literally that's what it's like.
So we'll see what else comes outof Little David.
Oh my, we'll see. I really wasn't trying to throw

(01:21:27):
David under. The bus there.
That's not, you know, I don't know.
He seems like a really nice guy.He really, really does.
I mean, from what you can understand, he seems like a
great guy. But he does.
This is it. We're not.
We're not. We're not.
No, no. Believe what we're saying, not
what we're saying. That's perfect.

(01:21:49):
We're back in the house. Back in Maddie.
'S colonial in North Carolina. The house looks cute in the
sense of like totally the kind of house where they probably
like did a little light Renault in the kitchen like put up the
new tile and did whatever like I'm like good on you girl.
As far as a sister, as far as a sister wives location, it is a
thumbs up like we're doing it right.

(01:22:14):
You heard me Maddie. I said you're doing it right.
Take it now, Janelle tells Christine.
Well, I'll show you the propertymap of the property.
And Christine's like, I have been here 24 hours and you
haven't shown me the map of the property.
And I'm like, once again, they're best friends, sister

(01:22:34):
wives. That was funny.
I did like the little like. Josh and from Christine, you
know, I was like, that's pretty good.
That one seemed more light hearted than some of the other
ones that come up certainly. But but yes, I might be.
Stretching to. Connect, but yeah, but it was.
It was. Funny because you would think
that. If they were coming there to see

(01:22:55):
the property that that would maybe be one of the first things
that would be shown. So Christine is not wrong to be
like, why are we not seeing it until now?
We're about to go there. Maybe we should look at this so
we understand what we're doing. Guys, duh.
You know, like if it was you andme and you arrived, I'd be like,
girl, what can I? Get you to drink because I've
got to show you this map. We are looking, Yeah, like,
totally like a mom. So that was pretty funny.

(01:23:18):
Janelle tells us that, you know,she's wanted land since she was
a kid and that what they have purchased is 150 acres, and that
is located about 30 minutes fromMaddie and Caleb's house.
And yeah, that they have kind ofthis laundry list of things that

(01:23:38):
they have to do because it is undeveloped land.
Like they are starting from likethe clearing trees point when
Janelle's talking about it, there are two big.
Projects houses for Maddie and Caleb and their family and for
Janelle. My assumption She didn't say
that, but I'm assuming 2 houses.They did say 2 houses.

(01:24:02):
Oh OK perfect. At some point, not.
Right there yet. But they did.
And then more of. The flower farm, whatnot.
Where yeah, they said different things about what they're
talking about with that, but youknow, really kind of the event
space, pick your own flowers, probably local people that sell
things, vendors like vendors and, you know, different things.

(01:24:23):
Like that where? It's not necessarily that
they're going to clear 100 acresof trees and have like all of
these crops, AKA flowers. It's more like a destination
thing with like a flower garden.That's the vibe that I've gotten
from it. Well, I, I guess I don't know.
And you could be 100. Percent right.

(01:24:43):
She says that they have to clearthe farm area.
She doesn't give us an indication of how large of a
space that is. She says they have to build a
barn, which could be the event space slash whatever.
But then she also says they haveto get chicken and they're going
to have a garden and they're going to do all of this.
And so yeah, I think there's many ways in which that all

(01:25:05):
could look right. So, but yeah, it's kind of this
like long To Do List, but first we have to be able to live here.
And, you know, so obviously I guess that I just be curious the
cash they're working with and stuff and like how this is
happening and did they finance all of that?
Because to an extent they're going to have to sell their

(01:25:25):
home, right? They'll have some Coyote Pass
money, they'll have whatever. But like, this is some
investment that's happening. I think the property itself is
very. Inexpensive.
Which is why in the last season,Janelle told us like we had to
buy this land because it was so cheap.
Like, it just made no sense not to.
Not sure what money she brought to the table as far as cash on

(01:25:46):
hand. But of course, with the selling
of Coyote Pass, that's definitely, you know, if your
mom's coming to stay with you inyour house because you're going
to buy this land and do whatever.
And she's like, well, you know, I've got Coyote Pass money.
It's like, when is the day? When is the month?
Like, let's go, you know? So I'm sure Maddie was motivated
on multiple fronts to make sure this happened as quickly as it
could. When they're discussing the

(01:26:08):
property. And I think this is when they're
looking at the map and someone asks about this, the approach
like the road that comes off theroad and like whatever.
And like, how are they going to get there?
I think Christine maybe and Janelle was like, oh, maybe
Maddie said this is where the septic is going to be and
they're talking about things andthey discuss this main approach
Dr. exiting the County Road or the state highway, whatever, as

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Bob's Blvd. and they kind of chuckle about it as a viewer not
connecting the dots right away. I'm like Bob's Blvd.
Like did I miss something? Like what does Bob have to do
with anything? Turns out Garrison's first name
is Robert. I think it's Robert Garrison
Brown. So they called him Garrison and
who knows why that started. I don't think they ever tell us,
but with Robert being his first name, you know Bob, It's kind of

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my dad's Bob. His full name is Robert.
Maddie talks about how they wantto have a place for kind of
peace and meditation, perhaps a peace and meditation garden
dedicated to him at the property, which is why the
things I'm starting to hear moreabout the property make me think
of like hobby farm in a wooded area in this as far as scope,

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like I feel like they'll clear and they'll build and they'll
clear in their build. I don't know, Maybe they'll
clear everything at once and it'll look like a unfinished
thing for a while. Like who knows, but I don't
know. I'm, I'm curious, I'm excited to
see what it turns out to be. I.
Really am, because I think that there is a fun blend of what
that could be. Yeah, it could be really cool.

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So, you know, hearing. Another reference to Garrison I
once again, it's like, Oh yes, Garrison, the feels, you know,
they, they. It just was touching how they
talked about it and Janelle said, you know, he will always
be here with us. And I, I really like that even

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though this is a new place that he's never been right.
And it's, it's they're making a very big effort to make sure
that he is still a part of this.And he is there with them.
And I just think it's really touching the way they talk about

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it. Yeah.
And yeah, it, it, it's just beenreally sweet moments about that.
We've come to the part of the episode where we're going to
take a break. We're going to go powder our
noses. We're going to go let the dogs
out. We're going to do whatever
people do during this time. We're going to do whatever
you're doing during this time. And then we're going to come
back with Part 2 of season 20, episode one.

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We have some real nail biter moments here.
We've got Jen and Meri going to Salt Lake City for speed dating.
You can only imagine. There's no laughter.
No one is having a. Good time no one's having.
Any fun, and that's what's most important.
We get more fun from Tata Farms,more family times at Tata Farms,

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and then we get a disturbing dinner from Robyn and Kody.
A very disturbing dinner. Perhaps the disturbing doesn't
even cut it, to be honest with you.
This this. Is it should not have been
aired. It shouldn't.
It was very. Uncomfortable and awkward in so
many ways, actually. So if you're like us and you'd

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That's where all of our recaps for Season 20 will be from now
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And there's other exclusive content we talked about, oh, our

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passion projects, we talk about her hair, how skinny we are.
No, I'm just kidding. We do have we do talk about
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our book club reviews on that. So there are reasons to join us
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