Beauty Pageants & Trans Athletes, Our Most Controversial Epsiode Yet

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Grab your favorite cup of joe, and let's chat about the sparkle and struggle! Lada and I, your host Mike, take you on a thought-provoking journey where the glitz of beauty pageants and the courage of the LGBTQ+ community meet the competitive spirit of sports. We kick things off with a nod to our caffeine fix before diving into the Grammy Awards' most talked-about moments; Taylor Swift's chilly encounter with Stella Indion and Stevie Wonder's unforgettable mix-up with Mariah Carey set the stage for a candid discussion on celebrity culture and its touchpoints with the LGBTQ+ community.

The heart of our conversation beats to the rhythm of pageantry, where dreams are draped in sashes and sequins. Beauty pageants have become more than a contest of looks—they're a platform for personal branding, social entrepreneurship, and for some, a beacon of hope and expression within the LGBTQ+ community. Lada shares her insights on the transformative power of these events as we navigate the complexities of self-perception, inclusivity, and the ever-evolving standards of beauty. From the victories of transgender beauty queens to the challenges they face in breaking traditional molds, we celebrate the courage of those redefining the pageant scene.

Shifting gears, we plunge into the splashy debates of transgender athletes in sports. Lia Catherine Thomas' swimming triumphs serve as a backdrop for a broader discussion on gender-restricted competitions and the idea of separate leagues for transgender athletes. Are we fostering inclusivity or reinforcing stigma? It's a topic fraught with passion and opinions, and Lada and I don't hold back. We dream aloud of a future where inclusivity in sports is not just a rule change but a reflection of respect and understanding, and we invite you to join in as we ponder how to create that reality. Let's lace up our cleats, adjust our crowns, and play on—everyone deserves a spot on the team.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to our podcast, my
Thai wife.
I'm Mike and I'm still doingthis without my lovely, lovely
wife, sunari.
Again, I'm here with Lada.
Hello Lada hello everyone howare you?
I am fine yeah, you sound likeyou're a little bit tired.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm okay, just need some coffee that's good.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
What kind of coffee do you drink?
Black coffee, espresso.
I love cappuccino okay, you'remaking it by yourself or you buy
it from Amazon coffee orsomething.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I want to make by myself, because when I go to the
coffee shop sometimes I wantcappuccino with milk foam, like
a foam and smooth milk, butsometimes they give me like
you're not really good foam okaysay, too much air in the foam

(01:15):
so the tea is not really smoothso how do you make foam yourself
?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
how do you make the foam yourself at home?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I don't make the phone, but I cannot because I
don't have the coffee machine oh, okay, I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I thought you have like some system to make it by
yourself.
So now.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
This needs a coffee machine to make a foam maybe
soon someone donate us coffeemachine also.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
So last episode you said you not finished talking
about the Grammy.
You said you have many morethings to talk about.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Oh, yeah, I think all the drama is already like over
the world.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
I don't know.
In here no one talk about this.
They just talked about, like,taylor Swift getting really,
yeah, and and the one thing Isaw that Stevie Wonder wanted to
give some microphone to MariahKerry, but she blinds, so she he
blinds so he don't see hergoing, or something like that

(02:37):
yeah, so the drama is just likeyeah, I see so many many big
topics on there, on X and alsoon, I mean, twitter and on
another media, even Facebook, sothe big letter is Taylor Swift
ignoring Stella Indion yeah,this we talked about already.

(03:00):
I thought have some more newdrama yeah and yeah, another
drama me thinking about.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
JC come to call out about Beyonce, not win about
other them of the year.
I also talk already, right yeahwhat else, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I never seen that.
I thought you are an expert ofthat, but maybe you had just you
like to speak only about thedramas, like if.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
I ask you who won.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Who won the best another?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
one is like a first.
The Grammy says like a I spy,and Nicki Minaj win the songs
like win one, draw Grammy award.
But finally, no, this kind ofwrong.
And also, nicki Minaj don'tcome to join the Grammy award.
Why, mm-hmm, I don't know.

(04:07):
Maybe because of by Lee Cyrus,because I got the gram plus.
The last two is the my lastnight, my research night.
It's all about the virusbecause, like you're also, you
know, so I can, nicki Minaj isnot have the good relationship
with my carry.

(04:27):
I don't know that the fight manytimes I guess, in there in
American Idol together like acommentator and then they're
fighting sometime.
I remember us about the wordsthat Nicki Minaj is talking to
my right carry when she said, oh, this guy is, have a good one,
this guy, how beautiful, why Ilove this guy.

(04:48):
And Nicki just said, oh, createyour ear cells.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It create your ear cells and the stand, so they are
not agreeing about one one, onereason is she not really
relationship with my right carry?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
and also she, she don't have our she fighting with
my list.
I was before and tonight myresearch get the first Grammy
award for my right carry mm-hmm,this, this you told me yeah
mm-hmm yeah so you don't want toshow up and also say here

(05:25):
another drama is people talkabout jealous sweep, taylor
sweep and Lana DeRay.
They are the nomination for theGrammy and then Lana have many,
many nomination of this Grammyaward this term but she all fall
.
She not get any Grammy.

(05:46):
But tell us we take her totheir step when she get the
Grammy and then like theignoring moment not not ignoring
moment, but just like I don'tknow how to say in English just
like awkward right yeah, so.
I just stand over there untilyou just get the award.

(06:06):
I think that they're not reallyreally good things mm-hmm but
but maybe no drama before theirfriends.
But Lana will be a little bitsad to go up to the state and
see, tell us we get all theaward and then she not get even
one and tell us is crap, I canand go up to the state to get

(06:31):
there with her okay, you know it, it's.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's kind of funny that I know that many ladyboys
like all this.
I said I know this.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
This is kind of funny , but I know many ladyboys like
all the beauty pageants and theGrammys and watching all these
shows yeah, yeah, we love not,not just only the ladyboy, I
think some of the people wholove the music because it's like
I asked to tell you the Grammyshere issues like a golden

(07:02):
moment.
That's Linda on a pier on thethread after many years.
I know I might be Sarah win theGrammy award for 18 years.
She never win.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I know, but I mean I mean also about beauty and also
my right carry Christina Griella.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Come up and give the award to another artist.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I know, but I'm talking about beauty pageants
and stuff like this.
You know all the beauty shows,for example.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I tight like a ladyboy.
We love.
We love water bowls, we lovebeauty pageant can you tell me
why?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
what's so interesting about that?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I think because ladyboy and beauty pageant is
something like I can say, likeall the beauty pageant step in
the world, like Miss Universe,miss Grand, miss Arm in the
continental Miss World, most offans in Ladyboy and LGBT, yeah

(08:11):
but I can see, this year we havewe have a lot of fans from a
male friend, a male fan also saya man come to watching about
their Miss Universe or MissGrand, more than the other years
before.
Yeah, I think because of, likeyou know, it's kind of like a

(08:33):
dream, a good dreams, like whenyou was young, you are a ladyboy
right and have like a not.
Some people can say gay, wedon't have a hair, we don't have
long hair, we're not dressedlike a, we're not dressed up
like woman because they getwe're young or some other reason

(08:54):
, maybe the family or whatever.
So about the beauty pageantit's like our dream is come true
.
Oh, wow, wow.
We want to be wearing thatdress and every year we look for
the step performance.
They are how she walked on highheel, how she shared on the

(09:18):
beginning and how she speech.
That show not just only aboutthe beauty, but a brain from her
speed.
We talk to things that we needfor the beauty pageant brain,
beauty and bodies yeah, I knowwhat you mean.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
But for example, in Israel I know there is a
stereotype.
Well, it's kind of kind ofstereotype that the gay
community in Israel really likethe Eurovision, you know, the
Eurovision, eurovision,eurovision, this song contest

(09:57):
from all of Europe.
Israel win this like threetimes you hear about okay.
So let me give you the historyof that.
I don't know many when itstarts stuff like that, but I
know one of the first peoplethat win in Israel.

(10:17):
She was a transgender namedDana international.
Have you heard about her?
no no, it's okay.
So she won the Eurovision.
I think it was 96 or 97, solike almost 30 years ago.

(10:38):
Yeah, and she's the most famoustransgender from Israel.
So she, she's a singer.
Yeah, she's a singer, and shewent into the contest the
contest I don't remember whereit was, but it was somewhere in

(10:59):
Europe and she won first, likefirst prize, about her song
named diva.
I think you can look it up,sorry yeah, maybe I can check it
up yeah, her name is Danainternational and the song named

(11:20):
diva.
So I know that, like the, theLGBTQ community in Israel really
like this contest, but I never.
I never noticed that they likereally beauty pageants and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
But I remember when I was in Thailand many people
really really care about thebeauty pageants around the world
yeah, because, like I think themost, like the most many
countries, I love about thebeauty pageant and, as I told
you can be like 70% of the fansof the beauty pageant is the

(12:00):
LGBT, like lady boy, gay, mostly.
It's just like like like thesong, like like what we said
about Grammy, like many peoplecontact to connecting to
together with, like the Grammy's.
I, we waiting for all theladies, lady boy and everyone
all around the world.
She's waiting for this moment,like who gonna win this year,

(12:24):
what is the good song this year,or something like that same
same beauty pageants.
Beauty pageant is another thingthat connects about their lady
boy organization and also it'slike a LGBT organization.
I can say that all around theworld that they're waiting for
the moment and style MissUniverse, miss Grant and
whatever we saw on these thingslike what it's just like a

(12:49):
daydream.
That are the reason why whythey like it because it's just
like a daydream for gay and ladyboy, sometimes gay.
Some gay cannot wear a womandress you understand, maybe
about their situation, theirfamily, their environments,
their relative or their friendsor where, where they are.

(13:12):
Maybe it's like she shy orsomething like that, but she
will find a way to figure out orto release what she want and
what she like, something likethat.
So I think, what it's just likea daydream, like even through
me.
When I was young, I dream aboutto wear a woman dress at 61, I

(13:35):
dream to wear a high heel andwalk on this step like a beauty.
Pageants, we want to bebeautiful Queen.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
So all the beauty pageant is not just about like a
two outstanding shine on thestate, but it's about like body.
We we looking for someone whohave a great shape of body and
also we're looking for a Brands.
When they speech, when like achick at the question, like or

(14:05):
something like a Challenging,when you got a question and you
need to answer, it's like in 30seconds what's good that you can
say or what is your attitude orwhat's in your mind.
We want to hear about that.
And also another thing is aBeauty like our Body, beauty and

(14:28):
brains and beauty.
So we want to see, like, howbeautiful they are.
Some people say, yeah, maybethey come from many people
around the world.
Come to this contest, come tothe beauty pageant.
We see these many people fromaround the world and we see what
, what beautiful of this country, what beautiful of this country

(14:49):
.
South Africa girl, friends,girl.
Asian girl and also say girl, Isee, some time I see them make a
lot of girl, mongolia, columbia.
I see, wow, look at that face,wow, look at this her skin, wow,

(15:10):
just just many, many beautiful,say everyone is beautiful on
the way they are and then we cansee how beautiful Of the girl
in in many country A differentand then perform, and on the
state as well.
But now we have the thingnumber four that, like the
beauty pageants that they forgoton this time as well, I think

(15:31):
this one gonna be the mostimportant one in our day
business.
The B number four is business,because I see now a day, the
beauty pageant, it's change tobe more business, not just only
to to see how beautiful the mostbeautiful will eat.
The great answer when you getthe question, not just with that

(15:55):
.
In Thailand now we have missgrand.
So miss grand, what they do?
They come out to selling thingson the tick tock life.
So she learned how to sellingabout the product.
A beauty, a tree see all Say Ishe lit it or some snack or
something that they can make themoney and most of the fan they

(16:17):
come to watch about their ticktock life and then they buy the
things.
So the beauty pageantOrganization, they get the money
from this thing or so, not justonly to sell the ticket.
Understand yeah also there andalso the girl who are in the
beauty pageants.
She got the commission fromthis thing or so.

(16:38):
Not just only the award, somegirl not win any award, but she
get a lot of money from her fanswhen her friend come to buy
something for her, like she getmoney, but maybe some girl is
more than the reward.
The award from the beautypageants there, yeah, but and

(16:58):
she know how to selling thingand I think this one is very,
very clever.
So I love miss grand and I lovelike the owner of miss grand.
He very clever, he named it nowwhat?
Okay?
He used to choice our miss missuniverse a long time ago.
He is a one man in the teamworking for miss universe, but

(17:20):
nowadays he set up his state byhis cell and is running very,
very well, from no one to benumber one.
And we have there the wordsthat get everyone know Miss
grand the one and only so.
Now we have miss grandinternational, very famous in
every country and become thenumber one Beauty pageant in

(17:44):
around the world.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Okay, but you know, many, many people say that all
these beauty pageants, they arecreating a Problem with young
girls, that they live, that ifthey are not pretty they are not
good enough.
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, because everyone is beauty the way they
are.
Yes, I love for me.
I love to see how differentbeauty that we see is not just
only all white skin.
Braxican is not beauty.
No, not be like that.
Everyone have beauty skin,beautiful in the way they are
and they are on the same stateand doing about our pageants and

(18:25):
Challenging the things, butmany people say that it's not.
So say another thing that wewant to see it the fashion.
Every year we waiting for thefashion.
It's like all how she gonnawear when on the preliminary,
preliminary, sorry, preliminary.
The beautiful dread that shegonna wear and also say, girl on

(18:48):
beginning and also the naturalcostume.
We want to see these things,like all this country, show up
about their natural costume verybeautiful in every year.
It's just like, wow, wow, lookat that, wow, look at that how
she create her natural costume.
That's just a lot but but wehave so many things and also

(19:12):
miss grand, they're not justonly create the beauty queen,
but they create the beautynescare.
So, after they finish about thebeauty pageant, some girl get
many followers on her Instagram,on her Facebook, on her TikTok,
so she can selling things toher fans and she get more
support from her fan.
They can do many, many things.

(19:33):
I love this, miss grand,because, like they create a
woman not just only to show upwhen they're, when they finish
the beauty pageant, and then sheget nothing, but now everyone
to join the miss grand.
She got money and she get hernew fan and new follower and she
know how to sell the thing.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
She know how to make the money but I want to ask you
a question.
Okay, let's say someone isYoung, let's say a lady, a young
lady is watching this.
Let's say she's 14 or 15 yearsold and she's not so beautiful,
she medium right and she seethis and she think you don't

(20:15):
worry.
This make her feel like, oh,maybe I'm not beautiful enough
or maybe I'm not smart enough,or maybe it make her think, wow,
only Beautiful and smart girlscan be good in life and my life
is not good because I'm notbeautiful.
Many people say it's create afalse how do I call it?
Like it can lower theirself-esteem of the people that

(20:38):
are not so beautiful if theywatch this.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
I think it's like the beauty, the beauty pageant that
is About the all girls aroundthe world, like everyone is
beautiful the way they are.
Maybe today You're not, you'renot like, you think you're not
good, and then maybe this yearyou not win, you come up, come
up again and you've actuallyyourself about your Skill, about

(21:05):
your brand, about your language, about your body, about yours,
like your beauty.
Like you make yourself better,better and better version do you
agree that everyone on thebeauty?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
like a.
Do you know this year's?

Speaker 1 (21:21):
I want to ask you something you know, pardon.
I want to ask you somethingbefore you continue.
Yeah, do you agree that all theladies that go to the beauty
pageants are like 10 out of 10?
All of them are skinny, tall,beautiful.
No, they are looking like supermodels, all of them, right?

(21:43):
Hmm, so let's say, have someonethat is fat or short or
something like that, and she seethis.
You don't think it will makethem think they are not good
enough?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Mmm-hmm, I think, yeah, this is a very good
question For me.
I'm a big fan of beautypageants and also I'm a big fan
of victory secrets and more job.
Now, first we talked aboutthere, we talked about the
beauty pageant first.
So long time ago.
We have the beauty pageant.

(22:22):
When the beauty pageant is comeup, they have the beauty
standard, like the beautifulgirl who gonna get the crowd
must be have this body, the face, the body, their hand, their
movement, whatever needs to belike this, like this, like this
set up, whatever they want,right, yeah, so she needs to be,

(22:47):
have a good shape, she needs tobe like a very skinny,
beautiful, whatever that.
They're that, the, that theowner of the beauty pageant that
want this thing.
Yeah, it show up like oh, ifyou want to be Miss Universe, if
you want to be the queen, mostbeautiful girl, you need to have

(23:07):
the chef, you need to have thisbody, you need to have this
beautiful face.
Okay, something like that.
And yeah, sometimes it's kindof be like a motivation for some
girl, but sometime in anotherside it's gonna be like Back to
the girl that not beautiful, shegonna think like, oh, I'm ugly,

(23:27):
I'm not beauty, something likethat.
But that is the.
That is the thing that for along time ago.
But now a day, I love that.
The beauty pageant state thatsheds some rule.
For example, now a day, everystate like Miss Universe and
also Miss Grant, we open for thegirl who have like I can say

(23:52):
it's like a Fat body, and andshe come out to say it's like,
um, uh.
To say it's like um, uh, not abody shaming to any other girl.
Everyone is beautiful the waythey are Like.
We call this campaign Name realsize beauty.

(24:15):
It's mean whatever size you are,size, big girl, big as big body
and have like a big leg orwhatever you beautiful as well.
And I can see some country inaround the world they send some
girl that have like a big body,like, and then they call out for
beauty, beauty like a Beauty onthe way they are.

(24:39):
Before they they never allowthis, but now a day they can
come to joy and yeah, last lastyear, nebao, she have like a,
she is bigger, and she also cometo very, very Like a, very near
the crowd as well, and therethat show up like a hand.

(24:59):
Now that this world is open forFor every side, like a
real-size beauty is, is come outthis way also.
Okay and also they set up like a.
They allow for the lgbt key orthe trans woman or lady boy to
come to join the beauty pageantalso because, before they have

(25:21):
like a beauty pageant for ladyboy.
She's only not cannot come tojoy about miss universe or miss
grand, but now a day we can come, we can join.
Yeah, so they open more forlgbt as well.
If you want to come toPerformance on the stairs at the
lgbtq, you are welcome.

(25:41):
So this, this what I like aboutnowadays about the beauty
pageant, and yeah, as I told youlike To, I I think everyone can
come to join the beauty pageant, no matter what side you are.
You just have like a confidenceand you just have like a To show

(26:02):
up like how good you are andyou practice yourself Day by day
and day by day to make yourselfOf feeling better.
Maybe you want the body, butit's much to be like a you happy
to have this body as well.
Not just all I need to be slim,all I need to be Beautiful like
this, like this I did, butyou're not happy.

(26:22):
No, first of all you need tohappy From inside and out.
Then you're gonna do like thisthing is bad.
If you know the Miss Universelast year, this year I can say
this no, not last year.
Yeah, do you know, anthonyApostle?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, I never watch this show.
Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
You know, it's like almost like 32 years, maybe 36
years, that Thailand will notget the crown from Miss Universe
.
But this year, anthony, I eatthe girl the nearest, very, very
nearest to get the crown overthe 36 years.

(27:08):
So Thailand is very, very happyabout that and we think she's
gonna deserve the crown.
She's gonna get the crown butshe not win.
Yeah, so the crown comes toNicaragua, but she do everything
very, very best and everyone'sso proud of her and everyone all
around the world.
We have the, we have the.

(27:30):
The we can call Guru.
Guru is mean to people who liketo watch a beauty pageant.
All around the world, everyGuru say Antonio, we get the
crown.
Antonio from Thailand, antonioPosi, we get the crown.
But yeah, sometimes it's allabout debuting it, it's all
about the things behind thestage.

(27:50):
You don't know.
Yeah, yeah and also you knowwhere Antonio come from.
Throwback, for 10 years ago shejoined the show named the Face
Thailand.
The Face Thailand is kind oflike a model stage, like

(28:11):
everyone come to the show and tobe a good model.
Okay, so we have beautiful fansand also beautiful body and joy
.
Campaign is also live like whatthey're gonna do today have
many campaign every week and seewho gonna get.
And Antonio, she not win.

(28:32):
She get many bullying.
Oh, you have big legs, oh,you're not beautiful.
And like a one-off commentator.
She is very famous in Thailand.
She name look at me, tini, sheis a super model.
She said ah, she, antonio Posi,she not beauty, she have big
leg.
Look your leg is very big andhow you can be a model.

(28:53):
Look your face oh, very bad.
But she get all the bullyingand she not great.
She not get any award, she notwin.
Okay, so she go back home andthen she practice herself, year
by year, year by year, to getbetter, better, better, better
skill to speech.

(29:13):
She learn a lot of English andshe basically can speak English
because she make nationality.
But she, she learn how to speakon the stage without nervous.
Okay, now I look at herpictures.
Show how how clever she is Goodand then last two year she win
about her miss, her supernatural, supernatural.

(29:36):
She get the crowd likeinternational crowd and this
year she come back and last yearshe come back to to join the
Miss Universe and she make everytype people so proud of her
From day one that we see her onthe face she is no one.
She do she not think she dolike her.

(29:58):
Not really good, she notbeautiful.
She not like her.
Yeah, she not very goodperformance, but nowadays, oh my
god, she try so hard to proveherself that she can be.
Whatever they bring her down,whatever they, everyone bully on
her on that time she she keepit to be her energy to fighting,

(30:22):
her motivation to fighting.
Until nowadays she verysuccessful girl and this is what
we show to all the girls aroundthe world that, hey, your dream
can become true.
You just try your best.
Okay, but I'm looking and it's abeautiful woman.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
I'm looking at her pictures now, okay, and I want
to tell you she very beautifuland her performance, her
performance, that is the bestand everyone just like her.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Even though she not get the big crowd.
But everyone is so proud of herand everyone is so very, very
love her nowadays and shesuccessful in her career.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, she extremely beautiful, but she try so hard.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
She show off like her .
She show off like she try sohard to be today.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, she extremely beautiful.
She's very skinny.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
She not have any big legs or anything, like you said,
and I think when normal youlook very closer and if you are
on the beauty page and watching,watching she comparative with
another country all around theworld, she have big legs, Okay,
and everyone say that.

(31:39):
And they say you get like shehave the big body, Okay, Most I
can say like 80% of the girlthat join this beauty pageant,
she have very skin body, same,same like a beauty food, beauty
standard before.
But and she get like a big body.
She tall, she big body and shehave big legs than many, many

(32:02):
other country.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Look, I look her picture now in bikini.
Okay, she very skinny.
Okay, I don't know how tall sheis, but she doesn't weight more
than maybe 55 kilo.
She very skinny, right, andthis normal people are not
looking like this.

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She look like a super model.
Even she have said story anddeath and this and that she's
extremely beautiful.
And I think when someone lookher pictures and hear her story,
he just feel bad about she,will just feel bad about herself
, thinking, wow, I can neverlook like this.
Whatever I do in my life, Iwill never, ever be successful

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like her.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
No, I see the thing difference.
I see different things as Itell you say why?
why she become a role model ofthe lady boys or people who
watching the beauty pageant.
Sometimes if you want to forgoton something or you you join

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something, you need to watch her, see her from day one.
And, yeah, if you see her onthe stage now, you see her
picture right, but you not seeher performance on the stage.
You not see the other girl thathave the beauty pageant on the
same stage with her.
You not see any other bodies,you just see her.
So you cannot come comparativewith she or the other country

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girls.
My point is like if you looking, if you watching about this
beauty pageant of Miss Universe,you will see like how the other
girl in another country look,like Like how small is their leg
, how good are her share, andcomparative with Antonia, you

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will see clearly what I mean.
Okay, but I will ask you adifferent question Because you
don't see, so you don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'm reading an article.
Okay, have you heard aboutMarina Machete?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Marina, no, no.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Okay, so she's Miss Portugal, right, and she is the
first trans woman to be crownedMiss Portugal in the beauty
pageant history.
She was a flight attendant.
Have you heard about her?

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I first found me it's our misspe and like a misspe,
but a protocol and not sure.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Portugal is near Spain.
Maybe you are mistaken, but ifsomeone see this, okay.
But before.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
we have misspe that she is a trans woman as well and
she win about in her country.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Maybe we are talking about I don't know this form
last, this form three months agofrom October.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
In Miss Universe.
Yes, oh, yeah.
Yeah, I know, I know that thereis some some some trans that
come to joy last year, but maybeI just forgot on Angelina
Antonio Porcio.
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
So if I see this, I think, okay, that's interesting,
because she's used to be aflight attendant, right, and
then she, she's trans woman, andthen she go to be Miss Portugal
and okay, this interestingstory, but just looking
beautiful as a lady, this, youknow, it's very hard to compete

(35:55):
with that.
I think that it's yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I really.
It's not just about thebeautiful.
You know, if you think the ladyis, try so hard to get the
crowd or to win the people hardto outstanding, shy on the stage
.
Ladyboys or transgender we trydouble more than ladies to be

(36:19):
there.
So it will be more hard, All thepeople that bully on us.
We fight more than a girls Imean maybe a girl also fight but
we, we we try double harderthan because like to let all the
people around the world opentheir heart for us, Because in

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some country they're not reallywelcome for LGBT or ladyboys or
trans girl to be in beautypageant.
We have like a very bigconflict like before.
Also say we should let the lady, the trans woman, to joy about
the lady's dead or not.
We have a big, big like a bigconflict, that are like a big

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topic that we talk about.
Say, hey, some people said,yeah, this, this, this, that for
a woman, a beauty pageant forwoman, not for trans, you
understand.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
So can I ask you a question?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Okay, let's say about beauty pageant.
I understand, but what do youthink about sports?
Because I know many people inthis very controversial that say
that trans woman should notcompete in women sports.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
You heard about that?
Yeah, yeah, I heard about that.
It's a big topic as wellbecause the things like a trans
woman is the man.
I think this, this one, is likea very, very bad, because, like
you, kind of like a big bully,very, very big bully, like

(37:57):
whatever.
For, for example, myself, whenI get dressed like a woman, I
want people to see me as a woman.
Okay, I don't want people tolike when I'm walking on the
street or fuck off your ladyboy,fuck off your man wedding woman
dress or something like that.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, we are talking about the bigotry.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And also like in the sport I heard about this thing
also that they don't want thelady boy or trans woman to come
to joy.
The lady sport, because thethings the trans is the man.
They have stronger, bigger body.
They are a man, they are not awoman.

(38:40):
Okay, I really hate this thing.
I think it's not fair.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Okay, so can I ask you a question At?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
the same point.
I think it's not fair for thewoman as well.
So maybe the trans woman isstronger.
They can be win.
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
We're not talking about.
We can see the both sides.
Yeah, I'm not talking about,let's say, swimming or stuff
like that.
Let's say have woman boxingOkay, you know boxing.
Or Muay Thai okay for women,and Then a lady boy come and
compete there.
Who will win, you think?

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Come on, sometimes it doesn't mean like a, when lady
boy come to fight with the girl,lady boy gonna win, knows Not
always.
Sometimes lady can be win aswell, for example like a normal
man boxing together.
Sometimes you think, say, oh,look at this guy have a very big
body, look like he very fuckingstrong, he got a big muscle.

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And then look at the the thered one is really big guy and
the blue side is all he'ssmaller and he shot her.
We sure that he gonna lose buthe win.
Okay, the same damn thing.
This lady boy and ladies, youunderstand, sometime lady win as
well.
It depends on how good yeah, so.

(40:05):
So I, yeah.
So I think it's not fair that I, if you think like a when lady
boy Come to fight with the girlon the set about the boxing's
little boy will be win.
No, it doesn't mean like that,you kind of like a bully, or
lady boys like to be like thatand Transwoman, be like that to

(40:26):
be win for sure.
Because you are men, because inyour eyes you think we are a
man and that the first thingthat you not accept what we are.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I don't, I don't mean about that.
I want to ask you a questionwhat do you think Woman body and
men body are same, woman bodyand men body.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
It's not the same, but it is.
I mean the system inside butour outside standing Outstanding
.
Sometimes lady have big musclethan a man.
Yes, I understand thatsometimes.
Yeah, I understand what is thepoint.
Sometimes we have a small girl,sometimes we have a small boy
and we have a big girl.

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We have a big girl, we have abig girl.
We have, like, a small girl, abig girl, big boy, small boy.
So what the difference?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
I give you, I will I give you the exact different.
Have you heard about?
Wait, I want to ask you haveyou heard about Lia Catherine
Thomas?
What have you heard about atrans athlete named Lia
Catherine Thomas?
No, okay, so she, she was aathlete, male swimmer, okay.

(41:46):
And then she, she came out as atransgender Right, and they
move her to the woman sport.
Now, when she was in the men'ssport she was like number maybe
100 in the world.
Not not the best, but not theworst, right, yeah when they
move her to woman sport.

(42:08):
She was number one.
No one can beat her and she setall the records again for women
Right and all the.
The natural woman cannot beather because she bigger and
stronger.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Their name Okay, so she's never, you see she bigger
and stronger.
It not just because of herbigger and stronger she tries so
hard to practice herself aswell.
Yes but when she?
She compete, but she is not.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Compete, but when she compete with men, right before
she came out as a transgender,she never win.
She was what?
Number 100 in the world.
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah she.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
She was never the best, but when they move her to
woman sport, she was the best.
But because the woman leagueand the men league is different,
the woman record and the menrecords are different.
You understand that.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, I understand that, but what the point that I
see Is she tries so hard topractice herself as well, and it
doesn't mean that nobody gonnawin not gonna win her someday,
some lady gonna win her also.
For example, last week inThailand we have like a big
fight, a boxing fight, with theman I'm not sure for his name,

(43:30):
but this man is very, very, veryfamous in Thailand and he
always win.
When he get the boxing right,he work, he, he is the boxer for
over 10 years.
Okay, he always win for thefight or for the fight.
But there is one young boy, 16years old.
16 years old.
He is a mixed nationality, Ithink from Spain.

(43:53):
He come to show up on the stage, he just 16 years old, and the
one is the winner.
They're fighting to each otheron, like on the stage, like a
boxer or for men, and you knowwho win?
Everyone, just like everyonesaid oh, the man, the man that

(44:17):
are become our boxing for 10years, we will win for sure.
We always see he fight, we surethat he gonna win, he gonna win
.
And this is just a big fight,he gonna win.
And this is just a little boy.
He is very little and veryyoung and he's just like Learn
about how to boxing like onlyone years.
But you see, he win.

(44:39):
He win the big guys.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Okay, but again.
The one point.
You see, we, we are talkingabout something that is very
different.
Because let's say, if there isa competition, okay, that is
open for everyone, samecompetition.
Let's say a swimmingcompetition that everyone can

(45:03):
participate men, lady,transgender, whatever people
want to To to be in this contextcontest they can do.
Then I say, okay, it's fair,fair, it's for everyone, right,
yeah, but the woman contestLimits.
They say no man can competethere, right?

(45:24):
Let's say, if we're talkingabout Whatever, let's say we
talk about Basketball, okay, youcannot take LeBron James and
put it, put him in the NWA, inthe, in the WNBA, right, in the

(45:44):
woman NBA.
Because it's it's not the samescale, it's not the same
everything, everything isdifferent.
So if you say, okay, we, we aremixing everything, okay, I can
understand that.
I will even support that.
I think it will be much moreinteresting.
But if you say, okay, we arelimiting the sport for agenda,

(46:05):
so let's keep it limited foragenda.
And if trans people want tohave a contest, okay, so can
make Number one, can make itmixed some.
I say, or or can make Contestfor trans people.
This is my opinion.
I think maybe you don't like itor maybe you think it's not
nice, but I'm very open toeverything.

(46:26):
But I think there is a basicThing that we have to understand
physiology.
Physiology is not same betweenmen and lady, right?
For example, I give you that.
I know it's, it's not nice tosay, but lady boy cannot get
pregnant.
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
On my point when you said lady boy cannot get
pregnant.
Yeah do you think like a onelady boy feel to hear that word?
I think you think I feel good.
You think like every lady boyfeel good, because this word is
kind of like a bully.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yes, but I know why you say it's bullying.
But I want to know are wetalking about Science or are we
talking about science fiction?
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I like yeah, I talks about the word.
For example, like, if you thinklike, oh lady boy cannot Same
same with beauty pageant, whenthey said oh lady boy cannot
join a woman pageant becauseit's different boy, you are
trying woman.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
This, this very different, because lady, lady
boy cannot.
Wait, wait.
Lady boy cannot join beautypageant Because there was rules
that said Lady boy cannot joinbeauty contest, right.
But when, when someone say alady boy cannot get pregnant, he
just mean she not have thephysiology, she not have the

(47:58):
womb and she not have the Allher body, she doesn't have
anything for carry a baby.
You know, it doesn't mean thatIf there is some rule that can
change and everyone can getpregnant, okay, I signed that,
no problem.
But her body is, she cannot dothat.
Whatever we will do right now,the science is not allowing a

(48:22):
Someone that was born a male tocarry a baby inside him, right.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Maybe we know, we know the lady boy cannot break
pregnant, but better we not say.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Okay, so you think it's insulting?

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah.
I think so when you say thatmaybe you don't think anything,
you just like oh, I talked aboutthe Physically like your body,
you don't have like a thingsthat can make you pregnant.
But better we not say we know,but we not say it's better
Because you don't know cycle.
When you say something likethat, oh to lady boy heart, you

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cut it deep down.
Okay, so yeah, and also for me,in my opinion about the sport
all around the world.
Okay, you can, maybe you can.
You can set up like okay, this,this sport is for ladies and
this sport is for a man.
But I want to ask you question.

(49:25):
Yeah where is the point for ladyboy sport, okay.
So things about cycle.
When you say it's about ladyboy cannot get pregnant and In
my opinion, I am lady boy when Iheard this thing.
Yes, sometimes we get so manythings from a man as well when
we get the relationship.

(49:46):
Some lady boy have arelationship with a man for over
seven years, for over 10 years,and then when a man want to get
out of her and when a man wantto finish the relationship, he
get this stupid reason youcannot get a baby.
For me, you cannot get pregnant.

(50:07):
Okay, so when you talk aboutlike a lady boy cannot get
pregnant, sometimes you thinkabout you say it's just normal
word.
It's just normal because thetruth is, yes, you cannot get
pregnant because you're a ladyboy, even though you have pussy,
but you cannot get a baby, andI wish it was different, maybe

(50:28):
you're not feeling anything butlady boy, when we heard about
this thing it's really, reallyhurt and cut our feeling deep
down to the soul, deep down tothe feeling, our feelings.
I understand.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
You understand.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
I understand and also to get the point to what you
say in the first about like abody, about the sport.
Maybe you think like, hey, ladyboy cannot come to join the
lady sport, right?
What do you think?
Lady boy is stronger than awoman?
No, I don't think, lady boy, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I don't think lady boy is stronger than a woman.
I think men body and someonethat was born a male and someone
that was born a woman, theirbody are not the same.
They have different muscledensity, they have different
bone structure.
Many things are different?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
And what do you think about the tomboy Again?
A big body, more than a normalgirl, like a same man, like a
tomboy.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Again, what if we're talking about muscle density and
bone structure?
Even, tomboy, she have thephysiology of a lady, right.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
So, but she bigger Sometimes when she go to joy
about the lady game that he saidoh no, you look like a man and
you stronger than our woman.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I think if we want to do an inclusive sport games,
let's do that.
Let's do sport games thateveryone can compete.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, Whatever I want to talk about this thing is
just get to the boys.
Like now, we have many, manylady boys, many, many tomboy,
many, many gay, many, many, manyLGBT, many, many trans and seem
like the world is open to us,but not really Get to the boy

(52:41):
about the sport you have in thisworld.
You have the like an Asian game, like something like a very big
sport.
You have the sport for a manand you have a sport for a lady,
right Like football for a man,football for a man, basketball

(53:03):
for a man no, we have like a no,no.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
This is not.
Some things like no no, no, no,no, no, things like it.
If you look in America, havefootball league for women, have
basketball league for women havethat what I talking, that what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
We have many sport for a man and we have many sport
for a lady, but I asked you thequestion where is the sport for
the trans woman and where isthe sport for LGBTQ?
Where is the sport for ladyboys?

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Where.
So let me tell you whathappened.
Okay, you think it's better tomake like just sport, that is
just for trans people.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Yes, that's what I want.
If you're not really open as tothis, you think like, oh, this
is sport for a woman, this issport for a man, not for you.
I think it's not hurtful.
Where is the sport?
Let me continue.
Where is the sport for a ladyboy, for a trans woman, For

(54:18):
example?
Like you go to the shoppingmall or when you go to the
school or whatever some building, you have the toilet, you have
a bathroom for ladies, you havea bathroom for a man, you have a
sign on the door right, A womansign, a man sign, but where is

(54:38):
the toilet for a transgender?
Where is the toilet for a ladyboys?
If you want to know my opinion,I want the world to open up for
us If you want my opinion forexample, about the sport you
said this sport is for women youare a lady boy and this sport
for a man.
You are a lady boy, you cannotjoin it.
So where is the point?

(55:01):
For us, no.
For example you go to a privateshop.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
This is not what I said.
I said something else.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I mean, I know females, but they don't have any
show for others, for others,for our sexual Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
So let me break this to two answers.
Okay, first I will answer aboutthe toilet.
In my opinion, I think toiletfor trans people is more hurting
.
I think trans people they cango wherever toilet they feel
they want to go.
This is my own opinion.
If you feel you want no, no,what no?

(55:39):
I say my opinion.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Okay, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
My opinion.
Let's say, you are feeling likeyou are a lady, right, so you
can go lady toilet.
This is my opinion.
I think if you open just toiletfor trans people, I think this
is more hurtful.
This is more like it's likekicking them out.
Oh, we don't want them with us.
You know it's pushing away Now.

(56:08):
No, you think there should bethird toilet just for trans
people.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
You think it's better than you going to the ladies'
bathroom?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yes.
Okay, I respect that Because Iasked, I am the lady boy, I have
cock.
Yes, right.
Mm-hmm.
I dress up like a woman, I do amakeup, I become like a woman.
Yes, maybe I really want to goto the woman's toilet as a woman

(56:42):
.
I want all the ladies in thetoilet see like I am a woman.
Same damn.
But for my experience, alwayswhen I go to the toilet like
sometimes when I go to a man'stoilet a man said what the fuck
you are lady boys, what the fuckyou are transgender, why you

(57:05):
come to a man's toilet get outget out and when I go to the
lady toilet, ladies said whatthe fuck why you are doing here.
You have cock.
Mm-hmm.
What the fuck you doing here?
Maybe they're not staying, butthey look at us from head to toe
.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
And then when you want to pee pee, you want to
stand and pee pee, same a man.
Or you want to go to the toiletsitting like ladies.
Yeah, we want to be like ladies, we sitting and pee pee.
But when ladies look at us,ladies just laughing on us, some

(57:44):
ladies do bad than that.
Some ladies said, no, get thefuck out, you have cock.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
You see, yeah.
Hi, I asked you, why is thetoilet for a lady boys?
Sometimes when we go to mentoilet even through like a not
lady boy, I mean gay as well.
Some gay is like a dress up,like a man.
He have short hair but he do alittle bit make up, like maybe a

(58:12):
lipstick on, maybe say shedoing about the eyeliner or
something like that, and a manlook at us like what the fuck,
what?
You doing here.
This is the toilet for a man,and when we go to the toilet for
a lady, lady also look the same.
Okay, so what I want to callout is I want the toilet for the

(58:35):
transgender or the lady boys,for the LGBTQ.
I want, I really want also thesame with the sport.
You said like you broke outfrom a men's sport, you broke
out from a lady's sport, butwhere the point for us?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Where, first of all, I never think they should block
from transgender people from thesport, okay, I think if you're
making a sport just for transpeople, for my opinion it's
hurting more.
But if you think there shouldbe a league just for trans
people, okay, I accept that.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I think maybe that's not hurt us.
It's like it will be very happyfor us, as I am a trans and I'm
a lady boy, and if they havesomething like that, it will be
very, very good for us.
It's have the place for us, youunderstand.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I understand.
So it's have the place for us,that nobody gonna blame.
Like, oh, you are a transgender, you have big body, you cannot
disturb about her.
We cannot fighting with thelady on the spot because you
sure you gonna win.
Okay, we don't want to be likethat, you understand.
We just want the place for us,just for you.

(59:55):
For example, when they go toapply the job, when they go to
apply the job in some company,mostly when they set up about
advertising for apply the job,right, they said like we want
lady.
This year old to this year old,we want lady, we want a man,
this is it.

(01:00:15):
But then it will say we want alady boy and when we are, we are
lady boy, we are transgender.
To accept that they say no, wewant lady, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
No, we want a man.
So I want to tell you somethingthat happened four months ago.
Okay, there was the swimmingworld cup.
Okay, the most importantswimming competition in the
world.
Okay, yeah.
They open a category for transpeople, right, really good.

(01:00:49):
No one come, no one sign, sothey close.
No one want to compete, justfor trans.
All the trans want to competewith the sex that they feel they
are Like.
Let's say, a trans transgenderthat was a male and now he's a

(01:01:10):
female.
He wants to be in the womancompetition.
He don't want to be in transcompetition.
You can read it on the internetno one sign for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
But where is set up this sport?
Germany, which country?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Germany, germany, yeah, and no one sign
no-transcript.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Maybe they have two sides.
I can say it's like we was bornas a man and we want to be a
lady.
Maybe on that point that there,maybe in Germany, on this thing
, maybe they set up about thisthing but in normal life they're

(01:01:52):
not really open for for all thelady boys or for the
transgender.
So I think the reason whythey're not going to sign or
doing this thing because it'svery news, maybe it's the first
time.
So when we want to go to joy,we don't want to people to see
oh, you're a fucking lady boy,you are transgender.

(01:02:15):
We want most people to see likeoh, we are women.
So it's kind of like a conflictto ourselves as well and I can
say it's like most of lady boyswant to spend but depend on the
time as well.
Sometimes you need to be like aset up the time, like a little
bit, a little bit, as they tellyou about the beauty pageant

(01:02:38):
that now they allow for the ladyboy, but not like we still have
some transgender and lady boyto join the beauty pageant right
Even through.
We really love beauty pageant.
You can see how we love thebeauty pageant of the lady boy.
We are fucking crazy.
Love it, but to join thecompetition.

(01:03:00):
Sometimes it's shy when you'restanding on the stage at a
transgender as a lady boy andthe world knows what is your
sexuality.
Sometimes we are really shy andalso I think we need time to
open more and more and more.
No problem, until one day thatwe can outstanding shy that, hey

(01:03:21):
, I am lady boy.
I am so proud of myself.
I am lady boy.
I want the world to see like Iam lady boy.
I am transgender.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Because maybe most of the people said oh same, same
in Thailand.
We are really open for LGBT, weare really open for lady boy,
we are really, really open fortransgender, but they have so
many points that they shouldonly say the word, but on their
behalf they're not really open,you understand.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yes, and I agree 100% that the world needs time.
Okay, but I want just to readyou.
I want to read you somethingsmall, a little bit.
Can I read something small foryou?
Okay, about the swimmingcompetition.
Okay, swimming governing body,which voted last year to ban

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transgender women from the elitefemale category, had promised
to stage and you think theswimming?

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
one second, let me speak one minute, sorry to
interrupt you and you think theswimming?
Right, they open the swimmingfor the transgender and also for
the lady boys, for example,ladies right, if she is the lady
boy to wear the swimming suitlike a lady.

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You know how hard we need tokeep that things, to need to
keep our cock deep down and not.
Yeah, maybe people know that Iam lady boy.
I am so proud of them, lady boybut, I don't want anyone to see
my boy, to see my ball, to seemy cock when I'm wearing, about
the bikini or the things.

(01:05:03):
I don't want to show them thatI have what.
Okay, so that's why theswimming is kind of like some
sport, that you need to wear aswimming suit and how how people
see even nowadays when I'mwearing about the bikini.
I'm very worried and I put likea I know it's a funny thing,

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like you know how many pieces ofmy panties nowadays.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
No, how long how many ?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Five, wow, five.
And I need to keep my cock downbecause my cock is big, yeah,
so one, two, three, four, five,until all is look like lady.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Okay, I understand, and it's not comfortable, I
understand.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
It's really hard and it's really difficult to walk,
and sometimes it's kind of likewhen you are at the home you
take all of it and you feelpainful because you need to keep
it, and so that's why theswimming.
I think it's not a reallyreally good point to wear a
bikini and swimming as a ladyboy and show the world to see

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like, hey, I'm wearing a womandress and wearing a golden
bikini, and then people, weforgot on our point more than
how good we swim.
You understand?

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
I understand, but I think that let's say, I will say
it like this I think, first ofall, the, the transport
community, need to decide whatthey want.
Okay, you want to fight inorder to be in the female
competition?
Fight for that.
You want to fight for onlytrans competition?

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Fight for that.
But it's depend on the context,right, it's depend on what do
people want?
And I think it's still mixedopinions, same you said before,
right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
So for me, I think it's a small problem and also I
just want to give you an example.
I know it's a small example andit's not good example, okay,
but I want to give you anexample.
This is not about trans, but,yeah, this about the difference
between men body and lady body.
There was a contest last yearbetween now we are talking about

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soccer, which is basicallyfootball everywhere else in the
world, right, there was acontest between the number one
team of females in the worldOkay, the number one team, the
best team in the world against avery, very, very young team of

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men that play soccer, also playfootball.
So it's like, let's say, if thehow do I compare it for you If
pocket pocket young footballleague compete with Burriam
United, you know what I mean.

(01:08:06):
Yeah, yeah.
Who do you think won?
7 to 0.
Who do you think won?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Burriam and Phuket.
I think it's like I will tellyou who won.
Maybe, maybe, for like a 80%Burriam going to be win, I tell
you you know, I tell you, themen won.
But it doesn't mean that Phuketnever going to be win.

(01:08:39):
Maybe they can be win as well,but at the start this week, and
it's like so many reasons,burriam practice a lot and they
have a big, big field topractice.
But I tell you in this in this,you're not understand.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
In this, burriam lose 7 to 0.
You understand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
It means like yeah, yeah, I think the same point,
the same point, that what?
I said, it doesn't mean likePhuket never win, phuket can be
win as well.
Same point with boxing.
No, I think you didn'tunderstand what I told you 16
years old, win a very, very coolfighting for 10 years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
I mean, I mean they talk.
They took the best footballteam, female football team in
the world, right With, let's say, the worst football team of men
in the world, the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
And the men won 7-0.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
With the lady footballs.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, the lady football is number one team in
the world.
The men football is last teamin the world, the most shit team
in the world, and the shit teamin the world won 7-0.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
On my point.
It's like I think maybe thewoman is kind of like the good
in the football, but maybe,comparative with a man, they can

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be a little bit different.
You understand A woman footballand also a man football.
I think this sport is kind oflike a very big sport and have
like body of physicality, it'slike a man.
It can gain more and can bestronger than the woman as well.
Okay, so so for sure, maybethey can be win, can be win.

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So now I want to ask you aquestion.
This thing is just only onesample, but it doesn't mean like
a lady never win a man.
Some ladies win a man as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
I don't mean lady never win a man, but I just mean
.
I just mean that if have thebest woman weightlifting, you
know weightlifting,weightlifting, yeah, let's say,
have the number one in the worldI don't know her and she can

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lift 150 kilo, okay, and nowcome a transgender to this sport
and she was number one and shecan lift.
The transgender can lift 100,no 250 kilo.
You understand what I mean.

(01:11:48):
It's not fair for the peoplethat are participating in the
sport.
Like many ladies don't want tocompete with transgender because
they think their body is notstrong enough.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
But I don't know how to say.
It's like maybe we cannot justonly give the sample with this
kind of things, because in thisworld we have many, many sport,
and every sport have two points.
Sometimes lady win, sometimes aman win.
Sometimes to be a man, itdoesn't mean he always win, and

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sometimes to be a lady, itdoesn't mean he always lose.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I agree 100%, but I mean about the average.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah, you mean the statistic.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, the statistic, the average, the middle is very
different, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
For example yeah, the man can be stronger than a
woman.
Yes, and by the bodies, by whathe was born for.
But it doesn't mean that ladywill never win.
Lady can be win as well, if shetry enough Sometimes.
The big body doesn't mean thathe's going to be always win, but
it's also about the technique,especially in the sport.

(01:13:22):
If you practice a lot, you canbe win a big guy as well.
And also on my opinion I wantto tell everyone if you practice
enough, it doesn't mean whatgender you are man, woman or
whatever you can be the winneras well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
I agree.
I agree 100%.
Yeah, it can be show like a manalways win the ladies more,
more than a lady win a man.
Yes, that's right.
And also I compare it to with atomboy with a normal lady.

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When they get a set up afootball team a tomboy team and
also a normal lady.
They're both women right Ontheir bodies, but sometimes the
tomboy wins mostly, but they'realso same.
They're both ladies.
You understand what I mean?
100%, you get the point.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, I understand, but still there is a big
difference, right?
So I just checked now aboutbody lifting just because I was
curious, right?
Yeah, for women, when we aretalking about standard and I

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talking about women that weight100kg compared to a man, that
weight 100kg.
Okay, the women record in thesame weight, same weight the
women record is 164kg.
Okay, yeah, this is forstandard and the men record is

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234kg.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah, way more bigger Right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
So when let's say that this man, his name is
Michael Dudley, okay, let's sayhe's a transgender, right.
And now he want to move towomen's sport, okay, everyone
say, very good, no problem,right.
But of course he will win allthe competition Because women's

(01:15:49):
sport is 100 kilos behind.
You understand?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
I understand that.
Need that for sure.
They're gonna be like there arethe sport team or there are the
people who control the sport.
Need to change some rule, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I agree, yeah, what role you think need to change?
Can you give me an?

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
example, move it, or maybe it's like that's what I
ask you, that's what I ask youfor you need to open the sport
for a transgender, for the ladyboys, so this thing gonna not
happen.
So, like you're a lady boy,you're a transgender, you're
bigger than ladies because yourbody is a man.

(01:16:31):
So this point is what I'mtalking about.
Like, we need the space for us.
So if we have the space for us,you that not gonna have any
problem about this and peoplenot gonna talk about like this.
You know, because when we talkabout this thing, we are hurt.

(01:16:52):
Our lady boy is hurt, ourtransgender is hurt from inside.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, of course I want you to know and the people
that listen all thisconversation.
I don't mean to hurt anyone.
I want to raise the questionsthat many people ask and we
still don't get any answers forthem right From both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
That's good that we're talking about this thing,
because I also want all ourfollower or our listener all
around the world to know likethey have this kind of thing in
every organization beautypageant, a job and play school

(01:17:33):
in, like a sport toilet,everything.
We have this kind of thing.
You need to check, like on theGoogle, how many LGBTQ we have
in our day, how many gay we have, how many lady boys we have.
And, yeah, we want this bed forus, for every organization.

(01:17:55):
We want this bed.
So we don't want everyone toblame like, hey, you are a man,
hey, you are a lady boy, hey,you are a lady boy.
We don't want to hear like thator even like a hey, you lady
boy, you don't, you don't, youcannot get pregnant.
We want to get out of this kindof things.

(01:18:17):
But I can see the good side inthe world, like many things
happen in the better ways.
But yeah, I know it's tech time, but I can see the sign and I
hope everyone can be really openmore, more and more for us.
I'm talking, I'm standing herefor all the LGBTQ and all the

(01:18:43):
lady boy and all the transgenderin the world.
Like we want, we really wantthis bed for us, okay, so not
just really like a bully on uslike this.
Maybe it's not kind of like abully, but I want the things
that we cannot hit this thing upand we cannot like allow for

(01:19:03):
this thing and allow for thatthings.
We want everything same same ahuman being.
We want everything same same aman and a lady.
We want to live in this worldbeautifully.
We want to live in this worldhappily Same same the global
citizen.
Maybe we don't want you to callus like a lady, boys or

(01:19:27):
transgender we hate this word.
Don't want people to name us onthis.
We want people to call us byour names or thems, not he or
she.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Yeah, this is what we are talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Best thing is call us by our name.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
So I think I have good idea.
I think, until we record nextepisode.
We have some homework to do, meand you.
I want you to think what rulescan we change for make it better
for the transgender communityin the sport environment?

(01:20:06):
You will think about a rule andI will think about a rule, and
I want also our listeners.
If you have any suggestions orwhat, any ideas about this,
please share with us.
We want to hear what youropinion, because, listen, no one
is touching this subject and wecan be.
We can really make a change ifwe will find a good solution for

(01:20:28):
this problem, right?
So I think, until next episode,you, me and our listeners need
to think how can we solve thisproblem without hurting anyone?
And now we are talking aboutthe sports, right?
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I'm out of the beauty pageant.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Yeah, yeah, I talk in general.
How can we improve the life ofthe trans community in our world
?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Because I'm definitely sure, now that we
have many, many LGBTQ in theworld, maybe the statistic
cannot, cannot show you the realnumber.
You understand, because in somecountry, some people they need

(01:21:25):
to hide in their gender very,very hard to living and try to
hide as best as they can to notshow everyone, to know like they
are transgender, they are likeLGBTQ or whatever.
But I'm sure we have a lot, alot really, and we want the

(01:21:47):
space for ourselves, not forjust ourselves, but for everyone
.
We want the space we want youto look as a global citizen, as
a human, same same you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Okay, I understand.
By the way, if you are lookingon the current statistic and
mean 2024, all the LGBTcommunity, okay, is 12% of the
world right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Wow, you see how much that's a lot.
Yeah, Like yeah and not gonnaend like this we have more, more
, more and more.
Just as you open the space forthem in every country, you will
see the real number like morethan what you think.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
You think so it will be.
You think the numbers will goup.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, for sure, go up and more, more, more for every
year, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
I understand that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Yeah, I can see, say in my country I see my
daughter's lot when I walk onthe streets, I see when I go to
the school, when I go to someshopping mall or someplace like
a market, I can see my littlebaby is a lot, a lot and I'm

(01:23:15):
happy for them If their parentis open for them.
Some parent, they give them.
Some parent buy a woman dressfor them.
Some parent dress up them verycutie.
I'm so happy when I see thisbecause when I was young we have
nothing like this, youunderstand.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Yeah, of course, but the world is changing, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Yeah, Then what I say world is changing, but I know
it's take time, but I wantpeople to open your heart more.
The first thing you need toopen your heart for us.
Please open your heart for uslike normal people, like your

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family or like a global citizen.
It's not to start from yourselfand for everyone.
I think that's it Even through.
You set up the rules or set upthe space for us, but you're not
open your heart for us.
You still have the bully,things like that.

(01:24:21):
We're not going to happy.
Maybe we happy, but not much.
The most thing that we wantfrom you is like you open my
heart for us.
You respect us.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Yeah, and it's going the right way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
You don't need to lie to us, but please accept us as
a global citizen and pleaseunderstand us and not do a bully
things or do a bad thing to us.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
I think that, as we said many times, the world is
changing and is moving to abetter place right now.
I think it's a great way.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I really hope one day we can come out like me and all
the LGBTQ around the world.
We can stand out without soproud to standing and
outstanding shy in this world.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I really hope so.
Do you have any finishing words, any closing words for our
listeners for today?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
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(01:27:43):
I think it was an importantconversation and don't forget,
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We have to think about solutionfor these problems.
Yeah, Okay, so bye-bye everyone.
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Hope you're all the best.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Okay.