Between Sois and Stages: The Bar Life Chronicles in Pattaya and BKK

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai Wife
podcast.
Yeah, now you can see me andyou can see my guests also.
Sadly, I'm still doing itwithout my lovely, lively wife.
Sunari Pim is not here today.
She had to go with herboyfriend to Ko Chang.
So she will be here next weekand I'm not sure yet if this is

(00:25):
going to be the regular format,that we are going to do it in
video right now from now on.
But we will see.
It also depends on your support, guys.
So thank you very much, and Ihave two special guests.
I will start with the mostimportant one, which is June.
Hello, june, how are you doing?
I'm very good and we haveMichelle again.

(00:46):
What's up, brother?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
she's not here.
I hope she have a good timewith her boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I think she does.
But every time I spoke with herfor the last week, every time
she was in the room and she'sfucking, she's in the like in
the island.
You know why are you in theroom?
She said no, it was raining.
I'm lazy.
I say fuck lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, you can't stay in Pattaya in the room, right.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
What is the reason to make the holiday?
Maybe he's lazy and she's shyto say.
As long as maybe they dosomething in the room and they
are busy in the room, I cannotask those kinds of questions at
least not offline.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but she seems happy, they
also.
She also took him first time tomeet her family wow, so that's
serious.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
How long they are together, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
So if you guess, like three months, I know she knows
him for a few years I don't knowhow many and this is the first
time they actually went there.
So congratulations, people, Iguess.
Okay, it's getting more serious.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
If you meet the parents, it's damn serious and
most of the time it costs youmoney too.
As a foreigner you need tospend some money.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I'm sure he did, but I don't know how much, and this
is up to him and between them.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Of course, but I don't know how much.
And this is up to him andbetween them, Of course.
But you can't go with emptypockets to the family, that's
for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I know, believe me with my ex-wife.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I remember that like $100 here, $100 here, $100 here.
Maybe you invite, like theparents, so you invite the
entire family, so you know theyhave children, then they have
cousins.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, no, luckily.
So everybody comes, everybodycomes children, then they have
cousins, no, no, luckily.
So everybody come, everybodycome.
So, luckily for me, when I metmy ex-wife parents they were
actually walking, so theyweren't in their own province,
they were in another provincejust her mother, her father and
her sister and a niece.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So it's lucky yeah, yeah, it was not that expensive
for me this time will is gonnabe a little bit yeah yeah, and
you will be an attractionbecause you're kind of an alien.
They're not see so manyforeigners there.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, my ex-wife already showed them some
foreigners before, I'm not thefirst one.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, she was extremely popular back in the
days, all right, all right, Iget the point so, june, I'll
start with you because I want totell you something.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
We were trying to make this podcast happen for, I
think, at least months, monthsand a half, something like that.
So first of all, I want tothank you for coming, and I'm
sure it's going to be a greatshow, and you got the privilege
to be actually in the firstvideo podcast that we are doing.
It's never been done before byus, and all thanks to Michel.

(03:30):
So we are using his ownequipment that he normally uses
for other kinds of video stuff,and I told Michel already.
So I met you a few timesalready.
Yes, we do, but I never ask youpersonal questions because I
want to learn about you hereright now on the podcast.
I think it's much moreinteresting.

(03:50):
And first of all, can you tellme about yourself, the basic,
like how long you stay inPattaya, what you do before in
the walk?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
So then I am living in Bangkok for 17 years, or
something like that.
The first is after that I livethere quite long and then after
that I moved to Pattaya aboutlike three years already, not
really moving, but I just behere like Pattaya and Bangkok,

(04:19):
up, down, up down.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Okay, so you're between the cities, between.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Bangkok and Pattaya.
So, then on the weekend I'm inPattaya, like I have my work
here for three days a week, butnormally just go there every day
.
Can we talk about your?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
work.
Why not so soon, soon, soon.
I want to make sure that it'sokay.
So, and when you are not inPattaya, what are you doing?
Some week, week on the week, Iam in Bangkok, yeah, but in
you're not working, you're juststaying with your friends,
family or, uh, I, I'm stay alone, but every work is okay, okay.
We can say that.

(04:55):
By the way, in my podcast wecan say everything.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Believe me, with Michelle podcast, we said much
more worse things than that yeah, unfortunately, because, like
in bangkok I usually is, I workin bangkok like I work the
freelancer like on the websiteokay, so then, so we are talking
thai friendly uh, not really onthai friendly on the website oh
, so okay we have the page orthe website of oh, it's like an

(05:21):
escort service exactly okay.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Okay, that's cool, that's nice how long you work
like that.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I think it's before COVID.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, so 2016, so about six years.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
About it.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yes, something like that.
But before I worked the barlike I would go bar in Nana
Prasa you were working there asa dancer.
Yeah, like a dancer.
Okay, about like when I movedto bangkok is 17 years already
about then I started work innana prasa cascade bar I never

(05:57):
been, so I never been to bangkokand michelle knows that.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
No, I have already.
The question Is Cascade Barthey still exist or the Inanna
Plaza?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Inanna Plaza.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, it's on the third floor.
Oh, it's still there.
It's now they're closed already.
They're closed already.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
They're closed already because it's about like
after COVID.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
No, after you left.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
So after you left, nobody go there.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
No, so, likeune is gone, we can close the bar.
No point to go, we have otherhundred ladyboys not important
we need june that's why they'reclose.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah, seriously, because maybe that time is the
business not really okay becauseof the covid and yeah, so then
it.
Then it just sold out.
Now they changed the bar.
Okay, so, and after that, aboutfive, six years, yeah, I
changed.
I worked like a freelancerescort.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
And now I know this is where I met you normally.
I know you work at the KRUright, which is Katuia's ass.
It's Lady Boy, agogo.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yes, ladyboyagogo, because now I move here to be
work like PR manager.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, so you are not working as a dancer anymore.
No, you're basically in chargeof everything.
Yes, we can say about notincluding the money.
So everything in the promotionand with the customers and so
like what is with the customer?
No, what is your work If youneed to define, like, what is a

(07:32):
PR manager?
What do you do over there?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Usually the PR manager.
I'd be like look after customer, take a customer in the bar, so
I'd be help the girl as well.
Like to train them as well howto take care of customers too.
Like try to make customers feelcomfortable.
Talk with the customer withgirls like a mama-san, do Okay,

(07:55):
same.
Like let's call the manager too, right?

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, but you are more than a mama-san.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah, I'm more than mama-san.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
And you make it your own style.
So I never have like thefeeling like that you'll be the
mama's son is more like youwelcome everyone with your
special attitude to the bar,right so, and you link with them
first and then you sit themdown on the table.
Yeah, then, and then they, theydrink immediately because they
want to join the conversationwith you and you're even
pointing out that you want tohave a drink.
Somehow some other girls sayhello, come to you, right, and
then you will see in whichdirection his taste go.

(08:31):
And then he's sitting down,maybe with you and the girl, or
only with a different girl, butit's always like that.
But as I saw it just as acustomer, I always think, like
you are the the first one thatthat comes most of the time in
touch with, especially with newcustomers, right?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
yes, exactly every time I've been there I saw you
so busy like no, really movingfrom a table to a table and each
in each table.
She had her own drink right.
So she come from my table.
I see that she drink one sip.
She go to other table one sipshe go to other table.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
One sip right.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
That's why I love it too.
Free drinks everywhere.
Yeah, no, it's fun.
By the way, for the guys thatdon't know, the KLU moved, so it
used to be in Soi Diamond.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, before it from Soi Diamond.
So now we moved to Soi Bukau.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
now yeah, and it was actually long, long time in Soy
Diamond right.
Wow, I asked the owner.
He said to me like eight years.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Nine years.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Nine years over there .

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, it was a really established place already and I
think it was the first Lady BoyAgoGo in the Walking Street, oh
, in the Walking Street.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, in the Walking Street Before.
Yeah, because I think if youconsider Baby Boom a go-go, so
Baby Boom was also running formany years.
Okay, yeah before.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Baby Boom is, I think is I know Baby Boom about like.
Before Josh died yeah, beforeJosh died is 12, 12 years.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Something like that.
Yeah, I don't even know whatyou're talking about, because
I've not been that time.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
But you heard stories about Baby Boom.
No, never, no what you'retalking about, because I'm not
being that time, but you heardstories about baby boom?
No, never, no.
So it used to be the mosthands-on and crazy place.
Really, I'm not joking ladyboys, or it was like a mixed bar
, only lady boys.
Okay, and some of, like some,are very known lady boys.
I will not say the name becausesome of the ladyboys I know

(10:23):
from them died already so Idon't want to disrespect them.
Okay, okay, sure, sure.
But it used to be very hands-on.
I remember I went there with myex one time and she just
immediately went out.
Why?
Because there were like threeguys sucking off the ladyboys
over there right in the bar.
Really, wow, that sounds likethe thing that shocked her the

(10:44):
most.
One of the guests order a drinkand she asked the lady asked do
you want me to stir it for you?
And he said yeah, of course.
So she pulled her cock out, putinside the drink, stirred the
drink and gave him to drink.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Oh, my god, oh my god , yeah, that sounds like a crazy
place yeah, we have to reopenit I see before.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yes, you've been there before, right?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
yeah, I saw that yeah , but josh was extremely nice
guy and we all miss him longtime already yeah, yeah, wow,
but it was, I think, one of themost crazy goggles you can find.
And if we compare it to careyou and this is what I want to
touch on care you is not thathands hands-on, it's very it's

(11:26):
have a lot of class right, it'svery classy place.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Usually it's not.
We cannot call it a classyplace because I think, okay,
let's say the Katoa artist, wedo agogoba.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
So we like a dancing girl.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yes, but it's very.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Because we cannot.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
You so not so much touchy, but of course I put the
more than that right.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
More than that.
Yeah, the girls always wearvery nice clothes.
Normally, no one is gettingnaked over there, right?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
it's very like.
Yeah, of course, if you want tomake it, yeah, maybe like when
it's like a birthday and someoneget totally wasted.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
So then you see, maybe something yeah, but that
you can see it everybody in patayeah, come on, yeah, it's like
a special event, but no, on a,on a normal, on a normal day,
you would never see.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
No, no, no, never down right, yeah, that's that's
right and I think, the onlydifference now, in my opinion,
that this place is actually thenew place.
I think it's better because theold place was so big yes, it
was a huge place, right, and nowit's a bit more intimate, right
.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
And I think it's much better for the girls also,
because then they can be closewith the customer more and then,
if the customer can see themcloser, and I tell you my grief
with the old place.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
So let's say I went and it was a quiet day, right,
and you had a huge stage overthere and all the ladyboys are
standing over there.
And let's say I'm there, havethe place, only have three
customers right now.
All eyes on you, everyone isjust staring you waiting for a
drink.
It's kind of scary, you know.
And now the stage is small,it's not that intimidating as it

(13:04):
used to be.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes, and you don't need many people that it looks
full actually.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think the new bars quite work a lot.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
So you think it worked better than the old one?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, I think it's really better than the old one.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yes, and also, I think, now, me and Michel
actually spoke about ityesterday.
So two points.
First of all, he point out thatyou have the best sign in all,
pattaya yeah, for anybody,they're amazing.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yes, it's a huge sign how many meters?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I think it's like four meters, three meters.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Sign something like that, no, I mean when mark saw.
No, you show me the outletbefore you even open it and I
think, like the long one is evenlike 12 meters long or
something, yeah, yeah and thenyou have the one that's like
square, but the one who goesdown the entire building.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I sing like you cannot miss it, like no big and
it's beautiful it is.
It is Many colors, it's reallydraws your eyes there.
Yeah right, and the secondthing that you pointed out was
basically that wait, I forget mypoint one second that soy bocao
is the hot spot exactly forladybugs right yeah, it's like

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that.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
So before it was a little bit like more stretched
out.
So you have a few still a fewagogos in the walking street
right and there are still manyafter you guys left and then we
have so many bars they actuallyopen.
So now it's really like all thepeople that we know they're

(14:35):
living here and we always meetif we're going out even new
tourists in the bars.
So it's like everybody startsthe night, at least here yeah,
yeah, so and and then you get toknow each other and then it's
like it's more like for ladyboylovers, is like it's like really

(14:55):
sobo cow is is the hot spot.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah no doubt about that, not, not?
I think, not only for ladyboylovers, I think almost for
everyone, because it used to bethe walking street.
But the walking street is notthe same walking street it used
to be before.
Now it's full.
It's changed his culture, let'ssay like that it's full of
people from other places andthere are not many European
foreigners over there anymore,so it's more Indians and, I

(15:20):
think, more Arabs also.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Indian more and like a Chinese as well.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
The.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Chinese.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, if you put it on the list, I would say like
number one at the moment is likeIndia.
And then, yeah, china.
I would say China, korean iskind of same.
Sorry to say it, but it's likesimilar right, you mean they're
all looking same to you.
Yes, for me it's hard to defineright, so it's like similar
right.
I love people.
You mean they're all lookingthe same to you.
Yes, for me it's hard to defineright, so it's hard to define.
So I always ask like, hey, isit Korean or is it Chinese?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
But usually we cannot say like Chinese or Korean, you
know, because they're quitesimilar, yeah, yeah, that's why.
But we just listen to language.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, but come on, it's the same like if someone
come from germany and someonecome from belgium or the
netherlands.
So if you not speak to them andyou not hear the accent, you
also, but it's hard to guess.
You know what I mean.
So, especially like european,it's also hard to tell.
You know, some european couldbe from australia, so it's not
it's like you know.
Yes, you know what I mean mean.
So it's actually just a naturalthing.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, but I think, as we said before, soi Bokar
really became the new hub right,because if you walk around El
Kemeto, soi Pothol and also SoiBokar itself, it's always and
Treetown.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
By the way, we went there yesterday it was nice you
see more foreigners that arewestern rather than other areas.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, right now.
So yeah, it's, it's great, Ithink it's it's.
I'll tell it more than that.
I think, now that everything ismore compact to a single area,
it's much better for us aspeople that enjoy to go out so
we don't have to drive so farand no, you just do everything
by walking right yeah, and youcan always like explore, like

(17:08):
different bars.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
If you just say you go out, uh, today, and then you
decided to go out the the nextday, you not have to visit the
same bar you can have acompletely different trip right
in the same area because thereare so many right.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, A lot Like many Ladyboy bars as well.
Yeah, but not only as I said.
The bar, the beer bar.
The same thing Yesterday wewent to three times.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
It wasn't a Ladyboy bar or anything, it just was a
regular bar.
And even the other bar that wewent later was a regular bar.
Yeah, just the third bar, whichis a new bar, was actually a
Ladyboy bar.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, Just the third bar, which is a new bar was
actually a ladyboy bar when theyplay the killer every Monday.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Did you join it?
Yes, I joined as well, but Ilost.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know, yesterday we did something interesting
First time we played pool on around table.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah, they have it there next bar right.
Next to the toilet.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, but they have it also like two bars on the
left so they.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
They have also the same table the same table, but
it was so weird, not in the darkin the back side right, you
tried that before.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
No, it's very, very, very weird.
I never do, because all theangles doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, yeah it was fun , but totally your experience,
yeah it was a good one.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, it was so .
As I said before, I don't knowyou very well, but I know that
you and michelle know each otherfor many years.
How did?
How did you met?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
like how did we?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
know it together about three years.
Yeah, three, four years likethen is the bar like come back
open.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So oh, so you met her at kru first.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, yes, okay, we meet there.
And because she jumpedimmediately to everyone who is
new so she jumped to me so andthen we click immediately.
So it's all like, oh my god,she's so smart, she's so funny,
so the way she's doing it.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
So it's all like, okay, that's a cool girl yeah,
since then we connect, we mettogether, like at the nightclub
or something yeah, also afterthat we meet each other
everywhere.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yes, so once we we know each other, then always by
by accident, of course then wealso ask if you have time or I
have time, just to hang outtogether together yes yeah, you
have similar vibes.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I know that.
I noticed that already and Ithink like.
So you had a lot of experiencein the in the goggles right.
Have you worked regular barsbefore also?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
no, never, never, I just only worked.
I will go bar and then afterthat, if I work escort in
bangkok, okay.
So then I come pattaya for worklike oh how?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
how was the um transition when you, when you
move from bangkok work-wise andand start to working in uh
katoisa, why you was able toimmediately work as a pr manager
.
So why you have already likethis different kind of job and
level.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Because is me, I know is.
Can I tell the?

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, you can talk about anything that you want.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Because I know the owner for really really long
time already.
So then we keep talking, wekeep contact.
Like you know, we met togethermany times and many years.
When I come down or he go up.
And also like after that, maybehe use me, because in Bangkok I
know a lot of people as well.
That's why maybe he use myconnection.

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Or maybe he need, like, I workhere for him, like maybe the
people follow me as well okayand also I I quite maybe be
around with.
You know, I have a lot ofexperience with the algorba, or
freelancer escort.
I think he know how I canhandle after yeah so that's why

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he told me to come down.
Can you come down please, worklike three day and then be PR
manager Then the first time.
Usually for me I don't know Ican do or not, because I not
trust myself as well.
I can't do it, or not Becauseit's first time for you?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
But every time when I come down I go to Hiba to
looking of the people how theywork, how they do work together.
So then, why not try?

Speaker 1 (21:29):
So I try already for three years now, I think you can
stop saying that you are tryingand you can say that you are
actually doing that right andyou're doing it quite well.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
And also I think I love the job.
I love the job.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
More than dancing.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
More than dancing and also like, make me like grow up
one more step.
Okay, yeah, like I don't.
Now I don't care about likeworking or sex anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
Like because I have forgot my job.
Now.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, you're not like searching for customers all the
time.
Yeah, yeah, I understand that.
So it searching for customersall the time yeah, I understand
that.
So she quite chained me a lot,yeah, but I think, as you said
before, you said he used you foryour connections, but I think
your, like, your best skills isactually because you have such a
long experience with peoplethat go to go-go bars and like

(22:20):
ladyboys.
You actually know how to talkto them, make them, as you said
before, feel, make them feelcomfortable and teach the ladies
how to do basically what youdid for so many years before.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Maybe I will change the word like I use.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
They need me, they use me, no, no use is a good
word, because use my connectionmeans without you they cannot
use, they cannot do it.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't know how to call it.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
They benefit out of your connection.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, like we know it together.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
We help each other.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's better, Of course.
Yeah, but I think your otherbig skill is like your talking
skill.
So and this is something likeit's hard to teach someone that
you be not shy and youimmediately connect to everyone
who walks in and you have, like,you know, it's like a really
tourist place, so everyone comesfrom different countries,

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different culture, but you canhandle immediately everyone,
that everyone feels like, oh mygod, she's, she, I is, they're
immediately connected to you andthis is kind of a talent it's
hard, to hard to teach someone.
Of course, you can say to thegirls don't be shy, just go them
, talk them, whatsoever, it'snot enough it's.
It's a different skill what youbring to the table.
And I just was asking you to itbecause of course I know the

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owner as well and we have a lotof chit chats there and then we
just saw you working.
That was at the old place.
And then he said to me oh mygod, I wish I have 10 june's.
Yeah, I would make so muchmoney and I would open so many
more places, if I can put that,because you have also another
place right, pitchy Lilies andyou say like, oh my God, I wish
I could clone June and I couldput her everywhere, right?

(23:55):
Yeah?
So that's why I say, when yousay it's only like your
connection skill, youunderestimate your talents.
It's not only about yourconnection Of.
Of course, you'll be deepconnected in bangkok, but you
have this skill.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, I know now I know yes you know they told you
before on friday, I think, meand michelle we are going to
meet our friend scott in bangkok.
So I never been to Bangkok.
What are your recommendationsfor me for the first time in
Bangkok, because I know whereyou're going to take me

(24:32):
Everywhere.
No, no, you're a pervert guy.
I want to know the normalplaces I can go, okay.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Because we are like quite in Bangkok, we go to the
same places all the time youknow.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
The pervert places.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
I think you will love it.
I hope so.
I don't know, I've never beenthere.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I know it's a very busy city, I mean traffic-wise
compared to Pattaya, and I knownow in the lowest season it's
actually the bars are emptycompared to Pattaya.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I think it's when I be in Bangkok last week.
It's the bar and then Soy 11,that's quite okay.
Okay, but the bar, normal, Ithink, not really busy like
before.
But be okay.
I think it's for me, becauseusually for me I'm really not go

(25:27):
to the bar when I'm in Bangkok,I just go to like restaurant.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Like Tony.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Oscar.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Those are restaurant.
Are we talking?

Speaker 3 (25:38):
about, yeah, so then like they have.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Restaurant with nice bars, nice bars.
You can sit outside, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
So then it's quite busy.
Yes, and also like go to thenightclub, that's it because
when I go up to bangkok I justonly hang out on what nightclub
do you recommend over there?
Um level sugar everything soyeah, everything there and also,
if you're like quite classy, alittle bit like parcel or pastel

(26:08):
, pastel pastel, that's quiteyeah, it's quite expensive, but
it's nice.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, yeah you need to figure out the plan where we
are going.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, I mean we we have not so many days, but yeah,
I have to make a plan yeah,because I, somehow we will
figure out, I'm out of myelement over there.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
So when you go, out the first time, so then
recommend my first home, NanaPlaza.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Nana.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Plaza.
That's my first home.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, if you've never been there, you should see it.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
I've never been there .

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, because it's just crazy how, and even like
they have three or four lady, no, four Lady Boy A Go, go right
Right now.
Yeah, two in the corner right.
No, if you go at the bottomlevel, you have two at the
corner right, straight there.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
If we talk about before, we have about like one,
two, three.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
We are talking about Lady Boy A Go Go's over there,
yeah, but only in this complexright.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Okay, one, two, three , four, five, six, six.
Ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, was there, or when was it Was there?

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, but now it has only two left.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
No, darling, two.
You have two at the bottomright.
No, no, two you have at thebottom right at the ground floor
.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
you have only one now , upstation, only one now the
the other one close.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
When was the last time you've been there?
How long ago?
Last month oh, wow, okay soonly one.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
The bottom is only low season, you have to remember
.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the first time is like upstation,
so then the second one, B-52.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Okay, yeah, that's it .
Wow, yeah, I think you know,even if you read the news now,
the tourists like there are lesstourists than ever in Thailand
right now, especially because ofthe wars, but also because the
economy changed.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah, yeah, especially from Europe as well,
and America has issues.
Every country has issues.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I read two days ago that all the Chinese tools are
starting to go to Japan now.
So the no cash tools, no moneytools are going to Japan now.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I also hear like Vietnam is for them an
interesting destination, yeah,and Cambodia, so it's like it's
drifting, yeah, because Thailandgot a bit expensive right now.
No, I also think, like,regarding just when I see, like,
in what kind of direction thewalking street is going, and
it's not just from the peoplewho are there.

(28:41):
If you see the new clubs, theyactually built them in the heart
of the walking street.
So, um, for example, we waspretty upset about it.
So the the latest, biggest onethat they opened, they called
boss club.
Okay, and boss club is, um,actually where the marine club
was and marine club have is,which was a legend legend it was

(29:03):
first club.
It was the first club in thewalking street.
So it has a lot of history,right, and the latest history
that everybody knows is likeeverybody can go inside there is
no discrimination.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
You have to give like 100 baht or something.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
But everybody was there.
So in there we have like crazyparties in the morning,
whatsoever, so and then when wehear it, uh, it will be reopened
.
So everybody was curious, okay.
And then we hear some rumorsalready, like if it will go to
the same direction yes, so, andthen we hear some rumors, oh, it
might be like, um, some indiawho would open it, and then we

(29:39):
thought already oh no, not, notanother one yeah, and then we
saw boss, but it looks nice fromoutside, right, and then, um,
we went there when they open.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
So then, they do like grand opening or something like
that.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
We try to go in and we acting, she say like she, she
, yeah, we hold the hands likethis.
So we're acting like a coupleand they even make like a little
scene, right.
So I want to walk in.
So they check, of course, herpurse and want to see the ID
card, and then they say notallowed.
And then I say, oh, but she'smy girlfriend, right, so we're

(30:12):
together, right.
I do like we have such a longhistory together, right.
And they say, yeah, you can go.
I say like, yeah, what is thatplace?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
You know what that means.
But the one club sorry, not barand the one club that we do go
quite frequently lately issunbar, which is also owned by
indians yes, but nobody knows if, because, um, the so boss club.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
You see already from all the stuff, everything you
can see it's like in in thehands from from the group of of
india guys, right, okay.
So then you have the other twoclubs that quasi compete with
each other, with the traditionalindia dancing and music so, oh
yeah, like india, indian, indianyeah, so they're better each
other.
They're opposite from eachother.

(31:03):
I never been there, so no, andit's in the middle of the
walking street, and one tried tomake it louder than the other
one it's.
It's crazy, and even if you walklike a few meters away, you're
still hearing and they're makingmoney inside, yeah because the
indians actually go and spendmoney in there, yeah of course,
otherwise they wouldn't take somuch money, um, that they
wouldn't take so much money toactually build it and they not

(31:26):
have both of them at the sametime.
So there was first one, andthen they saw, after maybe six
years to one year, that theyestablished that they're making
money and they rent.
The opposite building was free.
So, and then another group ofIndians took over that place,
but I'm confused.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
So they don't play like techno, dance music or
hip-hop, only I don't knowwhat's going on for me?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't know because I never go inside they just
advertise the club like thisfrom outside, but outside, so
they have song.
Yeah, so they they have likethe drums bong okay bong.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Okay, so migrants dance as well.
They dance fast.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
They're singing something Like Bollywood, yes
yes, yes, yes, and they battleeach other, but it does not have
something to do with Thailand.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
We need to make sure Scott not sees that, because if
Scott sees that, you know whathappens.
Yeah, maybe he will join them.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Wear the high heels and then let's go, yeah he's the
model.
Dangerous with him.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, it's dangerous everywhere, anyway with him.
Yeah, yeah, sorry.
So then Scott, quite adangerous man eh.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yeah, if you have the level you know.
So then he takes some highheels from some girl, but
actually he can walk on it andhe can even dance on it.
Oh my God, yeah, and he canwalk on it and he can even dance
on it.
Oh my god, yeah, and he candance on a pool as well, because
he went to last time.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
wait, wait last time we went to kru right, and we are
sitting there, me and scottright, and then some lady boy
very beautiful came to talk withhim and I see he's not even
look at her.
He's just staring at the poleand thinking can I go there or
not, can I climb up or?
Not yeah, because it's reallyhigh and he's not even paying

(33:09):
attention to the girl, likeshe's touching him.
He's not even looking at her.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Just looking at the pole.
That's his style, you know,he's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
And then he tries, yeah, and then he tries, but
someone love him.
He tried.
Yeah, but someone else dobetter than him.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
he could not step up.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yes, but he just like step up one and then pull down.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, up for that.
Yeah, because he's heavier.
Yeah, no, he's also heavierwith the new right.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yes, and you just check maybe that gives him like
the kick why he wants to do adiet now he wants to reach the
top of the pool.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Maybe you know what we can make him like a party
when he does reach, like hisgoal, weight-wise and pole-wise
we can bring him like buy abottle and have fun together
like a big party.
No, we buy him, then the highheels that will be for his
birthday.
I think that's better.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Nine inch high heels yeah, but he's working very good
on high heels, so we give himthat at least.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, maybe the next challenge I think I can't wait
to see that, I think he cannotwait so and we're talking before
about some clubs, sorry, yes,what?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
do you think why it's so different?
Because um, first of all fromvenues, then outside of the club
.
So all this advertisement, whatthe other clubs have, they
don't exist there, right, andall the stuff what you have is
like thai, or at least asianlooking so, um, everyone who is
in touch with you, so youwouldn't mind.
The only reason why I knew itwas like before they let

(34:40):
everybody inside, I've beenthere and I just have a talk
with the manager because I wascurious, like why it's empty.
What is the concept?
I never saw the manager yeah,it's like the floor manager,
right so, but, it was like ashort guy.
I not saw him around.
Maybe they kick him out and nowthey have a different one
because I not saw him, or hehiding somewhere, I don't know.

(35:01):
Okay, but this particularperson I I not saw again, but
anyway, I'm asking him.
And then he told me that, um,that it's owned by a group, uh,
which also is based, uh, inindia.
Okay, yeah, so then I know.
Oh, then I was surprisedbecause first the name sun, so
it could be like you know, it'snot like have a punjabi or

(35:21):
something you know is notsomething that sounds like um,
from india.
And then when you're looking atthe stuff and the music they
play, but, as you also say to me, like you can't see, like
really a clear concept.
So that's why I was justcurious who is?

Speaker 3 (35:36):
behind it, yeah, because I saw like on the state.
They have the show as the stateas well, right yeah like uh can
play the the brand there theband.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, but I don't think I always saw the dancers.
I never saw a band over there.
Only people that they bring todance.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
It's on my side, because I never go there.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, you've never been there.
I've never been there.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I think you will like it.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I never On the weekend.
Now they let all the ladyboysinside.
Yeah, that's so last Saturdayit feels like almost like juju
in the good season.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
What do you mean in the weekend?
It's not every day they leteveryone inside?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
No, but when we go like because now it's low season
.
So if we go now in the middleof the week, it's like quiet and
you have maybe one or twotables where ladyboys are.
But if you go on a Friday orSaturday it's more crowded and
there are more ladyboys, butthey still let the whole week
everyone to go inside.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
There is no discrimination.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
As I know now, for now you never know when they
would like to change, but rightnow you can say they're not
change this.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
And I must say the prices are very reasonable over
there.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, it's okay for them.
I think it's just normal for anightclub.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I don't know.
Last time I told you, if Icompare it to another club,
which I will not name, yeah, itwas like we bought a bottle of
vodka, an absolute vodka, and itwas cheap, like 1,500,000
cheaper than the other place.
Than the other one yeah, yeah,which is a lot of money if
you're thinking about it yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
But this normally is how much.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
For the absolute, it's like between 3,000 and
4,000.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
So I paid 2,500 over there.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, that's okay, it's a very good price.
That's a good price, yeah forwalking street, it's cheap.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
And then the mixer was another 300, something like
that, yeah, and the bucket ofice another 80 baht.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, that and the bucket of ice another 80 baht.
So yeah, but this is like therandom price usually for the
mixers, so there's nothing butuh.
Yeah, but the bottles are alittle bit cheaper.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, but the only complaint for me is that
the music is extremely loud overthere, like it's.
We are unable to speak evenlittle bit with each other.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, it's like you have to shouting to each other
and really screaming in the earthat you can it's.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
It's like a little bit too much just turn down like
six db, something like that itwill be better a little bit,
yeah, but it's really nice cluband I'm having a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's huge it's huge, yeah, and I'm glad we have a new
spot to go.
Have you been to the upperfloor?
I never went there.
Uh, yeah, because they theyhave like a bigger toilet there
and some stuff like this is thesame, it's like more like a
balcony.
So they have like VIP lounges,but because it's never packed
right now, so they're not reallyselling it and you just can
chill there, but you'll be theremore or less by yourself.

(38:16):
There are pool tables also, noonly like couch, sofa, stuff
like this, like lounge right.
Yeah, but when we come backfrom Bangkok so not this weekend
, but the weekend after weshould go all together.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
You know it, I can't go on the weekend.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
No after your work, Because it's not.
It starts to get busy.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Three About three.
Three just starts to get busy,yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Where three, three just starts to get busy.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Where is that location?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know Boho.
You've been in Boho already oryou've not been in Boho also.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
You know Soy VC.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Before Tunnel but on the other side from Tunnel.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
On the walking street .

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, so you have the McDonald's opposite right, and
it's basically just before.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Before the soy vc hotel so if you go from soy vc
to the walking street, it'sright there, it's on that corner
, yeah, but it's.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
It's not in the soil, it's still on the walking
street it's huge, it's huge yeah, it's bigger than uh republic
yeah they try.
It's big.
That's why it needs so manypeople, that it actually looks
crowded.
So that's the problem.
So if there are only like a few, okay it's not a few people,
but it looks like a few peoplebecause it's so big, right?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, but even when it's completely full, we always
had a table over there.
They never told us we have tosit with someone else no, no, no
no no, it's told us we have tosit with someone else.
No, no, no, no, it's amazingyeah, but lately I start going.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I don't know if you know it, to epic club.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yes, now I, I wait, wait, wait.
I know why you are laughing andI'm not going to talk about
that certain person no, we, wealso had so many crazy yes, we
have so many crazy night epic.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
oh my god, I God, I like that.
She's always been like thechampion of pool.
So that's why, when youintroduced me last time to the
champion, so I said like, oh,she have to play with June,
because when June have her level, so it's always like Maybe you
know her If you go there, youknow Mem that play pool over
there, she plays good.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Because we met together, like in there, but
there the open is late already.
Yeah, late club, late bar,right yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think it just starts to getting people around,
four or five, yeah, and thepeak is at six when Juju closed
everyone just when everythingclosed.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
So everybody that don't want to go home, they go
there.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, it's not a club , it's a bar, but it but a very
nice, yeah, quiet place.
I do have my griefs about thisplace because I think it's I
don't want to say exactly, butas a former drug user, it's a
little bit too hard for me tostay there sometimes.
I will just say that because ofthe.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
You know that basically everyone is high.
Yeah, everyone is high and it'svery after the nightclaps yeah
and it's sometimes we have ourlevel of alcohol, so we also not
like sober.
So for me it's like when wedecide to go there I never have
a clear mind.
In my clear mind I would neversay we have to go to Epica, yeah
but I in my clear mind.
You might see a mind that wouldsay, okay, go on, the night was

(41:23):
great, we went everywhere.
Just call it a night.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
See you I don't know in the next few days, because
the day after we'll have a hugehangover of course, last time we
had a massive hangover, but butI never been offered so much
cocaine in Pattaya.
Oh more than that in that barbecause everyone always hey, you
want the bump, you want thebump, you want the bump.

(41:47):
And I'm not like, oh, thank youbut no, thank you but no.
And I have to explain to themlike my whole story, you know,
because they are keep pressingwhy not Come on?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
It need it, thank you .
And then I have to explain mywhole story in order them to let
me.
Okay, okay, you don't need itnext time.
You not make the whole storyjust saying like, oh, I try it,
but I never liked it.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Because this is for me, this is for fact, because I
also hear they ask me many times, but I also say, no, I try it,
I try it more than once, but Ilove it every time that you just
say the word cocaine, my eyesjust open wide and I, you know I
cannot hide that I love it,right?
I just don't want to do itanymore.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
I have a lot of it arcing me.
Then I say I'm sorry, I'm notthe drugs lady boy.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah which is actually kind of different,
because I know many lady boys,unfortunately, that do do a lot
of drugs and it's very sad.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I have a lot yeah, it's very accessible here
there's really common, but Iwould say not only ladyboys,
it's like I think is because ofthe scene.
So if you sing about like thatthey have to work in about like
every so June, for example.
So she have the privilege thatshe have to go like only like
the busy days.

(42:58):
So Thursday, friday, saturday,yeah.
So this is like a privilege so,but usually the girls have to
go like every day, yeah.
So for me it's like okay when Iwas young so I call it like the
perfect week if you can makelike really seven days in the
road and you can drink, you know, but you do it like if you are

(43:18):
able to doing it.
I tried many times when I wasyoung and I stopped at day
number five or something.
Because then just my battery,everything was off.
But if I made it so I thoughtlike okay, but it's not often
like that, it's happened rightbefore and now they're not doing
it only for one week, so theyhave to do it consistently,

(43:38):
because in one month they havemaybe one day off or something
three day off three day off.
So sing about it, sing about it.
So that means how many days youhave to consistently drink and
your job is it to drink.
You're making extra money todrink.
Your money is to promote thatthe customer drink with you and
that they also, uh, drink bythemselves more.

(44:01):
But it's also like how more youget, how better it is for the
bar and how better it is for youbecause you get tip every
single point that bar after theyfinish drinking and the bar is
closed.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Their goal is to actually go with the customers.
Yeah, so the night is not overfor them, right?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
yeah, the night not over.
But there's some girl.
They go to the Thai club Also.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Yeah, because they still want to enjoy themselves,
like to have a life, basicallynot just be in the bar, but also
some I would say some girlsalso not really like is the main
thing, like tend to go with thecustomer, right, yeah, so you
have some.
They just like to play, play,but they don't drink, but they
not really want to go becausethey have boyfriends or just

(44:47):
because they don't enjoy, let'ssay foreigners, for example
usually is we can, we can't askthem about because there's not
like a private.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, it's a private stuff, so you cannot push them
right, but I quite understoodwhat, what they, why they want
only drinking like a play playbut I have a question for you,
because I know someone that'sworking there and she told me
like and by the way, if I'msaying something that you don't
want me to say, I can cut itafter right but she told me
there is like a gap that youhave to fill, so you have to get

(45:19):
at least something like 10 barfines every month that for the
salary, for the salary girl yes,yes.
So it's kind of do, forcing themto go with customers.
Or at least I'm not saying goand fuck with customers, but at
least go out with the bar, withthe customer, so he paid the bar
fine, and then maybe they goparty to go together or go eat
together, it doesn't matter yeah, that, that that can be,

(45:43):
because, but you know, is, uh,when the salary go about a bar
five for 10, 10 bar five, thatyeah we make the rule.
Yeah, already, you, we talk tothe girl, already, the girl must
know, is the rule yeah, ofcourse I'm not judging it, but
I'm saying that you said thatsome girls don't want to go with
customer, but still, if theywant the salary, no, but but
then you have difference rightdifferent.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
We have the freelancer as well.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Ah, so you have like two kind of girls working there,
right?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
so you have salary girls and freelancer girl yeah
okay usually they're the thefield quite, quite have some.
Some don't want to go customerbut they work salad.
Uh, they work freelancer.
But about the salary girlthey're no problem.
They know already they can'twork here what they need to do.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
And they want it also .
They want it as well.
They want the money from theirbar fines and from the customers
themselves.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
They want money extra from the customer as well.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Without going in details for a person, but like
randomly in general, if you saylike um, the freelancers have
like few reason um why theydon't go, what is like the
typical, most typical reason whythey don't go.
So I guess, like they have aboyfriend at the time did this?

Speaker 3 (46:57):
uh, probably if we ask them that they quite're
quite smart to say, oh, I'm notreally feel like it, or
something like that, they're notlike them like yeah, they just
like all the time, have excuse.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
But we cannot.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
You cannot really pour them.
Yeah, we cannot.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Come on, tell me exactly why.
Why, why?
You know?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Okay, okay, but you think, maybe because the
customer is maybe not the type,but usually I know already.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So what is your guess ?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
let's say, if you think, what is the number one
reason that they don't want, Ifthe number one is one okay, in
feel, in feel in my buy it,Because some they say, oh, maybe
the customer is quite too big.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
So it's not the type, right?
Yeah, maybe the customer isquite too big.
So it's not the type, right?
Yeah, not the type of them,okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
And two maybe have a Thai boyfriend as well.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah, I know many of the girls and ladyboys here have
someone on the side that islocal.
Oh, okay, I'm local.
Now, you're local.
This is why you have so manysides.
Yeah, but many, yeah, but yeah,that that's a reasonable reason

(48:11):
to like if I have a boyfriendand like he don't want me to go
with other customers.
So, yeah, okay, but I have aneven more interesting question
for you.
So the girls that do worksalaries like, yeah, they need
to reach 10, but I guess some ofthem do much more than 10 every
month, right, they do, althoughall the girls in my bar they
work the salary right.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
They get more than 10 for sure and they're doing more
, more than than the limit thatyou say limit we, we say, oh,
they also have a limit on thedrinks.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, not limit, but like a goal 90 drink, yeah for
one month, it's not a lot not alot it's not a lot, 90 think
about this three per day isnothing but, I know we have
three days for day off.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Yeah, so it's a little bit higher.
So then it's about like 3, 3.2.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
So then, all the girls they make the.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It's just mind-blowing that I have to
drink like every day and alsowhen they make more limit there
is bonus.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Bar five and the drink they get bonus.
They get a crown yes, they geta crown yeah, but many, many
bars.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I know I will not say which bar specifically, but a
bar that we know very well.
Also, like he hire onlyfreelancers but if they reach a
certain amount there is a bonusover what they get for normal
drinks.
Right, and they don't count thebar fines.

(49:37):
But still, like bonus is verycommon thing in this business
because you do want to make sure, like they are trying their
best in order to get that drinksright having right now the
first low season, actually insoy bocal.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
What you witnessed if you compare it to the low
season last year and when katois arts was still in soy diamond
next to the walking street, youthink like if it's now already
more busy, so you can show thatthat that it makes sense to
charge the location from walkingstreet to here, it's really

(50:08):
better better.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know no the location we are talking in
general.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
They don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I mean from customer money wise, yeah but you are
talking in whole Pattaya or justat this bar specific?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
no, I mean like when she compared when, she compared
like last, when it was in Soi.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Lai, I thought you meant you're comparing the low
seasons.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
I think it's here more better, it's here better.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I've been told also that Pattaya now is doing better
than Bangkok in general.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Quite.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
We're talking about the bar Sin bar senior secret.
So she have it in so and shehave one in pataya, so it's also
like a soy bo kao, just a smallsoy down there, but it I still
call it soy bo kao because it'sstill in that area.
Right, and I went now a coupleof times in bangkok for the last

(51:00):
few weeks and I went there on amonday, so in the middle of the
week and if, if I compared,especially on the same day, so I
was there like the onlycustomer when I went there on a
monday and now scott scott saidalso the same thing.
He was also the only one.
So and when we go on a mondaythere it will be of course, not
same busy as on a friday orsaturday on the weekend, but it

(51:22):
still always have people and ifyou're sitting there you always
see people come and go.
So it have kind still a flow.
But there wasn't a flow at all.
I was there and the ladies wasa little bit desperate to say,
oh my god, you are the first onecoming, I don't have any lady.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yeah in bangkok yeah and yeah, in bangkok.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
so that's why I see that some bars they're really
struggling in Bangkok.
And since then I know thatBangkok has a low season and
before people told me, oh,bangkok, we never have a low
season.
And then I started to believeit because it's such a big city.
And then I saw it with my owneyes when I compared bar to bar.
It's quite now.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
It's quite different, it's different.
It's quite different, it'sdifferent.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
But the location from Zinni's secret.
I have to say it's like that'swhy she called it secret.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So it's like in a small soy, you can pass it yeah
you can pass it, but here also,in Pattaya also, it's a small
soy, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But more people get used to it in Pattaya to go to
small soy Especially.
You've never been to theSukhumvit 11.
No, never.
But Sukhumvit 11, everything isthere, right in front of the
street, right?
So that's why every bar, that'swhy you say, oh, when you go to
Tony's or Oscar's, so there'sbars that are there on the main
road, so if you go there, theyare always full.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Yes, there you cannot really say they have a low
season, you know.
So I think, like it's also likespecific, from bar to bar, yeah
, and also like it, uh.
I think in bangkok the can calllow season really low from many
years, from last year, becauseI think is now have many thing.

(52:57):
Is that chain a lot?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
yeah, but it was also so let's let's just count the
things that change it.
So the economy right now in theworld is shit.
There was the earthquake thatactually scared people.
Yeah, there are two, almostthree ongoing wars right now in
the area like you can still callit, in the area.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
It's all effects, everything I also think like,
but it's just like what I justcan guessing.
I don't have proof for it, butI think, like the tourists, they
go to um, to bangkok.
You not have such a big ladyboylover community in bangkok as
you have it here in pataya.
You have so many locals that weactually know they go from the,

(53:38):
from the, to one lady boy bar tothe other one jumping like yeah
, so when I go to bangkok and Igo to the same bars and you not
have so many as you have here,but here you always see the same
people on different days, butsomehow you see the same faces,
but it's not only the lady boys,if you see even the regular
bars right now in Pattaya, Imean the big bars, the known

(54:02):
bars are always great, but eventhe smaller bars, you see there
are customers over there.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
You almost not see empty bars right now it's not
full but still they are makingmoney.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
They still make money , yeah, but I think, like,
especially for the ladyboys, Ithink, just like Bangkok don't
have it that big like a realcommunity and the tourists they
might not know all the placesbecause it's a little bit like
spread out, it's not everythinglike hotspot as we have here in
Soi Bok Kau.
So, yeah, as a tourist youdon't even have to know it.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
If you be in Soi Bok Kau and you just walk down the
street and maybe you take a turnon this way, okay, you will
always end up in some becauseyou see them, you see, them
straight away, yeah I was alsotalking with some, actually
girls and ladyboys that camefrom bangkok, from phuket, to
pattaya recently, because theysay there are nothing going on

(54:57):
over there right now.
Yeah, like we are just sayingwe are not making any money.
And in pattaya at least theyknow, okay, thai friendly, they
can make some customers.
Right, they can find any barfreelancers, yeah, freelancer
whatever working in in a bar andit's actually active here and I
like it.
I know it's not and, by the way, I don't know if you agree with

(55:17):
me, but as someone that used tocome here as a tourist not
someone that lives here Iactually prefer the low season
Because you feel like you don'thave much competition, if you
know what I mean.
Yes, and also it's quieter.
You can enjoy it, I think youhave a lot of benefit.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I think the flight is cheaper, the hotels are cheaper
.
Yeah, I think it is, and thenthe bars are not overcrowded.
You know, you have only onenegative point could be some
good girls might go at home andthe weather normally is worse at
the low season yeah, but buthere for pataya is fine I think
is pataya is always, like lasttime I came august, it was

(55:57):
raining like 20 days out of the30 days I was there.
Yeah, but it's never raininglike all day long, right.
So, pataya, usually the rainstops, right, so we have it
maybe for 30 minutes, maybe foran hour, then the time is
already crying the world getover.
The world is over, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
No, but there were floods like two days of floods,
yeah, but having a flood here islike easy for yeah, yeah, just
raining like one hour alreadyfrothing.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, yeah, I know some, some specific places, just
need 20 minutes of rain and youneed a kayak.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, it's really like that, yeah, but I I don't
mind it, right, but I do enjoy,as I said, the low season.
I feel much more comfortable inthe low season, I just can
stand up.
Yeah, keep on talking, I justtake my by the way, you still
have the microphone so you cankeep on talking as well.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
It's amazing someone want also something more to
drink coconut water I don't know.
I see the vodka bottle overthere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can alsochange to adult drinks yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
So the idea before and now I'm speaking to the cast
, the listeners we thought aboutdoing a drunk podcast.
At least we're drinking.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
We would not be totally wasted, but the plan was
that we drink, no, no but I dowant us to have one time a real
drunk podcast.
Oh, I think we have fun butbefore, before we start the
podcast, because usually it'sonly one hour we have to drink
because a bit yeah, yeah,because you and no, also june
can drink a lot, so I think likewe will not be.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
I'm not worried about an hour.
I'm not worried about june, meor you.
I'm worried about pym.
Pym is not a drinker oh shewill get wasted so

Speaker 2 (57:32):
she might.
Yeah, sorry, no, this is thecorner yeah, yeah, no my ex is
still in my country.
I I saw, but yeah, yeah, she'smy co-host, so usually he do it
with Pim together.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah, she's also a ladyboy.
Yeah, she used to work inDelirious.
Maybe you know her, I don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
What's she name?
Pim Pim.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Pim, the listener want to see her photos, so might
be in the next podcast that wehave another video podcast, you
can finally see her.
Yeah, you only know, I knowyou're disappointed about me,
but she's beautiful, so don'tworry about that not say that
you're a handsome guy.
I am.
I am, but compared to you guys,I look like a garbage bag.
No, you didn.

(58:17):
I know.
It's okay, sorry.
So now it's something that Iwant to discuss with you too,
but this is something that isgoing actually about the podcast
.
So me and you were talkingabout and this is also goes for
the listeners actually renting astudio and start doing a real

(58:40):
professional podcast with thecameras and actually the people
behind the cameras andeverything, and we know the
pricing already.
We spoke together about this,but I want to know actually,
like what you think so many ofthe people, the guests that we
had, especially the lady, don'twant to show themselves.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Again, please.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
So if we are moving to a format of actually videoing
everything, I know that many ofthe people that used to be on
the podcast always said, no,actually we don't want to be
seen, we prefer there is nocameras.
Can you tell me why do youthink it's that Like, why they
don't want to show themselves,although the ladyboy personality
is always very out there?

(59:25):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
yeah, I know but outgoing yeah, I don't know
about it.
That's why I don't know how to.
I don't know how to tell thattoo, because some I don't know
how to call to say like okay,it's myself, I don't mind about
the video because we're notdoing anything wrong, you know
it's not yet yeah and I wouldsay there's never something what

(59:49):
you can do wrong yeah, likewe're just talking, you know
nothing.
Have to like a space nothinglike we are not hiding or
something like that, you know.
But there's some people theythink.
They think like, oh no, maybethey're gonna just post
something on on on the websiteor something like that, talking

(01:00:11):
about me badly or not, or blahblah you think it's a matter of
confidence.
Actually, some, some someladyboy did like that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I never even thought about that.
Maybe also about like hatespeech, right, because it's like
if you put yourself out there,so it's like easy that you get
like negative, they're alwayshaters.
Come on whatever you do, yeah,yeah, yeah.
But some people they don't needto be in this kind of position,
right?
So there is no need for them tobe actually in this podcast.

(01:00:41):
So they're doing it becausethey, they, they think like,
okay, I have somethinginteresting to say, but to
having the risk to get like uh,hate speech after it.
So because everybody is curious, like, oh, how is, how do
people like my uh podcast, theepisode, uh, the episode where I
was in.
You know what I mean?
just out of curiosity and ofcourse it's then like sad to see

(01:01:09):
if you have some people, evenyou don't know them, but they
write something bad.
So for some people, especiallyif they don't get used to it, so
they might say then, oh okay,better I pull out, better I
don't get used to it.
So they might say then oh okay,better I pull out, better I
don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Okay, yeah, because there were two things I was
worried about, right.
The first one that the peoplelet's say now we bring a random
person to talk Lady or ladyboy,it doesn't matter, if she's seen
actually in front of the camera.
She might not tell everything,right, she might.

(01:01:47):
Will try to be more composedand will not talk to the, as you
said before, go into thedetails too much, right, because
she don't want to.
Might her family see her?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
or her friends.
It can be also quiteoverwhelming because, first of
all, most of the people theydon't even talk, like with
microphones or some setup likethis, or maybe the free time for
them as well.
They don't know, they're quiteshy as well, yeah, and then when
you have both already, so youhave like the cameras pointing
on you, maybe I need to usehidden cameras yeah, so really
small ones.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah, in a teddy bear .
You know the teddy bear cameras, teddy bear.
Teddy bear cameras See a redlight there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
No no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
They call it the babysitter camera back home.
But yeah, so they put it andyeah, it might be that.
And the second thing I thoughtmaybe, like there is a boyfriend
behind that, a boyfriendoutside, there is a boyfriend
behind that, a boyfriend outside, sorry, outside of Thailand
that maybe they told them theyare back home, or different
stories, or what not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I think that is not not the problem with the
boyfriend, or something likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
About, about, talk with oh, you know, you know how
many people I know that areactually in Pattaya right now
and they told their boyfriendthat they are back home to his
son or whatever they make up thetypical story, but they still
hustle of course, of course it'shappening.
I'm sure you know people likethat and I know, and michelle,

(01:03:16):
that's a common story stories.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
You know I don stories.
I don't have anything to hide.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Not you, but some people do right.
This is the problem normallywith this.
We had this conversation twodays ago also.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
But I would go like this because you are already
successful the way you did itbefore, yeah, and I would say if
you just think you have areally interesting guest, but he
preferred to not video recordit, so then I would say like,
okay, then we're just doingactually the audio and, um, if
you have people that are openfor it, so of course I would

(01:03:50):
then always go for them first.
But if you have, um, someonewho have some really interesting
input, so then I would okay,this is a special episode and
then you do like the audio Inthe news.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
we can blur their face, blur their sound, you know
?
Yeah, give them a mask.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Blur the face.
That's okay, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
It will be like the detective shows on the TV.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
People try especially people in Pattaya will try to
figure out who is this I?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
know her.
I know her.
It's a very common thing here.
You know, I have a friend Ijust saw it a few days ago that
he's a PI back home, so aprivate investigator, oh okay.
And he was hired by some ladyback home because her husband is
always going to Thailand.

(01:04:43):
Like every five months, fourmonths, he go to Thailand for
one month and he told her it'swith friend and business and
whatnot.
So he and he's my friend, thePI, right.
So he went here to Pattaya andhe found out this guy actually
have a family here.
Oh, an entire family, like awife and two children.
This guy actually have a familyhere.
Oh, an entire family, like awife and two children so that

(01:05:04):
means he had the second familyand he didn't even told his wife
.
Oh, a complete different lifesame like in the movies yeah,
but it happens.
It's crazy to think about it.
That's happened when you fuckwithout condom well, the first
baby, okay, but they have twobabies together.
So I think it was.

(01:05:24):
You think by it was intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Oh oh, he's very bad at that, that's why I fuck with
ladyboys, so that the risk is ismore or less to have a baby.
As scott says, there is morechance he will get pregnant you
only can get some animals fromthem, like, oh, I have a dog,
you know what I mean.
Let's adopt a dog or somethingyou know.
And then the relationshipbreaks up and you end up with a

(01:05:52):
dog.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, so that can happen.
Take care of my dog, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
But, thank God, in most of the condos are no
animals allowed, right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
so yeah, although I read something interesting two
days ago.
So the rate of, let's say,non-binary people, binary people
or whatnot, that are actuallyadopting children around the
world is much higher than thelast 10 years.
I wonder it's not happening inpattaya like, let's say, lady

(01:06:21):
boy and her boyfriend adoptingbabies not in pattaya, I mean in
thailand.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I not see that much was it even legal before they
now?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
now, I think you're allowed to marry, right, you're
allowed to marry and you'reallowed to take a baby let's say
baby that doesn't have aparents like an orphan just
allow now no not, not really intime, not really allowed for
that.
It's not allowed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Not really allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
You cannot apply for taking a baby that don't have
father and mother Like an orphan.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I think we can now, because I have some friend as
well, like the gay and gay right, okay, they're married.
Yeah, well, like taste the gamegame right okay, they're
married.
Yeah, so then they have afterlike a from the children who
don't have father, mother, yeah,yeah, take care of it, but
quite difficult, you know, likenot easy to so they have to show

(01:07:13):
their marriage for many years.
Yeah, I guess, yeah.
So there are many regulationsabout the have to show them,
about the family, all family, onboth sides.
Okay, with this idea going tobe great or not, have to talk
with both families.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
There is also the option of like finding a mother
for the baby, so gettingactually you know sperm.
And then you find for the sperm.
Who put the?
Sperm yeah yeah, you know whatthey do.
They just mix the spermtogether and give the give the
sperm.
So it's random milky way.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Yeah, yeah that sucks , that's, that's cool.
So before, before the baby comeout, you don't know yeah, it's
like thai or european

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
yeah, it will still be half thai because the mother
is because the mother yeah yes,but if thai, thai you, you don't
know it nobody would sing, butI wonder why it's not so common
here.
Like I know, there are many gaycouples here and like lesbians
and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
You really have so many couples that wish to have
children.
This is the other questionwould you want to have children?

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
if you had the right partner, like the right no, I
don't want it you don't wantchildren I don't want children
okay but okay you know, perfect,yes, we can marry, if talk on
my side, right, if talk on myside I have my sister?
Okay, I have my sister, but ifI want my children, I think I

(01:08:42):
will take care of my niece lateryeah.
Because when I'm older, I thinkshe will take care of me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Yeah, yeah, we were talking about this before, I
remember.
But I do know ladyboys thatthink that the only reason that
men don't want to be with thembecause they cannot give him
babies- yeah, but I think it'snot this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
No, but if you ask me so, for example, now I turn 41
and I don't have the wish forchildren.
I don't have it before, Okay.
And then I thought like maybeit would come.
Of course it could come withthe right partner.
But then my desire getting moreand more like in the direction
that I prefer to be relatedbusiness oriented.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Right now, I think your mind is not even going into
the place of relationship orbabies.
I know you.
You are extremelybusiness-oriented for the past
years, right?
Yeah, that's true.
You are like a career man,right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Like the career woman that don't even think about all
this yeah, but I think manypeople I mean okay, maybe
they're not so driven or focusedabout making their own business
, business but but I also think,like they, many don't have the
desire.
I think maybe it's come alsomore from the woman than in the

(01:10:06):
relationship, because they saythey have like an inner clock
inside of them, right, becausebiological, they have like a
certain amount of time wherethey are actually are able to
bring a healthy, a baby to theworld, right.
So in that they have kind of avoice that going louder and
louder how old that I get, right.
Again, I know it from my sister, right.

(01:10:27):
So she have three children andfor us was the question why the
third two was already enough.
But somehow, you know, when sheget close to that clock the
voice was so loud and and thenit happens again.
Of course, cute one, yeah, nodoubt about it.
But if you sing about someonewho has no children, you sing
like why do you need a third?
You know, because every child,especially in Europe, it costs

(01:10:49):
also like a lot of money andtime to take care.
But everybody needs to have ajob in Europe.
So she has her own career, theboyfriend has their own career.
So you always have to managewho takes care of the children,
right?
So that's why I think, wow, youwant to deal with a third child
, you know.
But hey, everybody has theirown mindset up, so I never judge

(01:11:14):
, I never blame.
But I think there are a lot ofpeople that have like similar
mindset up to mind that theydon't think that they really
won't have children because it'shave a long last.
They're not relationshipresponsibility.
So you have a responsibilityand for me it was always like
when I was young and living herein Thailand, I never could

(01:11:37):
afford it and I was happy that Ihave only the stress and the
struggle to take care of my life.
And how I can make it happenthat I don't have to go back and
that I'm able to live here andthen, when I would maybe like be
able to take care of a child.
I'm already in kind ofdifferent direction,
mindset-wise of a child.

(01:11:59):
I'm already in kind ofdifferent direction, mindset up
wise.
And I also think, like now,from my age and the way my
entire mind set up is what saylike that I prefer to be with a
lady boy, so then it's like outit's just out of the window.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
But you also said you don't even have the desire.
Yeah, you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I'm happy that I don't have children also, you
know, because with this kind ofnew lifestyle I would like
somehow still would.
Would be like build arelationship with the mother,
because I want to see my childgrow up and want to be part of
it.
So this is like a a huge thing,a huge part, and it would like

(01:12:36):
take a part of your life forever.
And so many ladies actuallythey are cool with ladyboys I
meet.
Come on, you have also likefriends, right, like women
friends, and I witnessed thesituation.
So if you go out in the cluband you see like ladyboys with
girls together and you meet themmany times, everything is cool
Until that point they find outthat you fuck with a ladyboy in

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girls together and you meet themmany times, everything is cool
Until that point they find outthat you fuck with a ladyboy in
the group.
Then all the ladies even theycall the ladyboy oh she's my
sister and everything.
But then they look at you likeyou'd be a pervert, you are gay,
you're something so bad.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
mean.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
But you'd be the same person.
And they call her sister.
So that means actually okay,you call her sister.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
You know what I mean you don't think it's come from
jealousy?
Of course it's kind of jealousyand I don't come from jealousy,
so we had the talk before thatright now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
You know this kind of situation, right?
You think like the girls arejealous.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Then or this for me is I quite, did they quite
jealous of it?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
yeah because you, you know, we, we were talking about
that that right now, especiallywhen the western food is like,
the thais start to eat westernfood and the thais got more fat
and the thai girls, right, yeah,and the lady boys still try to
stay as slim, as sexy aspossible.

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Because they have two reasons,right.
They first, they want to provethat they are beautiful women
and they want to be even moreattractive than the ladies, and
right now, basically, the mostof the ladyboys look better than
the ladies you find in the bars.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
I think it's not really that, because, you know,
don't forget about the ladyboyLadyboy is the man.
Okay, we have what they callthe burning.
Really well, or really good,modern girl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Ah, the metabolism.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, so if
the girl, they just eat a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
And also I don't know how to call it they get the
gene from father mother, fromdad from mother.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Maybe they have the family like father fat, mother
not fat, so some they get fromher.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Important one is fat.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
Yeah, I don't know.
Usually we're going to talk nowin person.
I don't know like usually we'regoing to talk now in person.
The girl they have that it'sfor burning.
It's not really good like aladyboy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Okay, so the metabolism is not as well, but I
still think that there is somekind of jealousy for what you
said before.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Because if they called her sister and oh, I love
her, she's my best friend, andthen she knows the problem.
The problem, what I have withthe entire scenario is, is one
thing uh, especially for most ofthe guys, to come out is almost
like a come out, um, if you uhfigure it out that you be gay,
so if you show publicly that youuh are into ladyboys, it's kind

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of an outcoming yeah, andcoming out because you've been
coming out of a closet yeah,yeah so because many people and
you would 100% agree on it howmany guys have a girlfriend and
secretly fuck ladyboys?
oh, many, many, exactly.
Yes.

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So these are the people whowant in the in the social life
have they want to see as anormal guy, but the the deep,
dark desire is that they arefancy to ladyboys as well, or
even like only ladyboys, butthey won't have this happy life

(01:16:20):
for the outside world.
So that's why I say, if you beso strong and you have so much
courage.
But it's also like a buildingup.
At least for me it took manyyears Because I come here I was
really young, I was 27,.
So you just start to be from ayoung man to growing up man

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whatsoever.
So it takes a little bit oftime.
So if you build then all thiscourage and then you have this
kind of situation, you feel soashamed for this moment because
they just touch you In a group.
You have to understand thegroup is always like more
powerful than a single person.
Okay, if she would say that toyou on one-on-one, it would not

(01:17:04):
be affect you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
But there is an entire group.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
So now, like everyone , think about that yes, they're
pointing with the finger on youand say like, oh, how you could
be.
And now we see you in adifferent light.
You know it's so obviouslyeveryone like them acting like
this.
Yeah, I just say I know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
No one care about anything here anymore it's still
like this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Just for example, if you go with the typical girls
out in the group in republic,they are not get used to it.
These are the showing of girlsblah, blah, blah.
They think like they're numberone.
If you show, they give you thiskind of look.
They give you the eyes for me.
Right now I give a fuck, butyou get this eyes.

(01:17:45):
I, I, I see them.
I see them also when they startgossip about you.
I see like blah, blah, and it'slike, oh my god, it's like a
wildfire, so you just have to goover it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
You know what I mean don't care about it, yeah, but
it sounds like again confidencething, like you're aware of that
, because you think maybe I'mnot saying you, I mean a general
person think, oh, I'm so awarethat now everything changed,
because he also think maybe, oh,I'm doing something that is
wrong in the eyes of society?

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
yeah, yes, in the eye of society, and this is still
the problem.
The problem is, it is notaccepted like how it should be
oh, but come on, it's soaccepted here in pataya.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
I never seen anyone got discriminated because they
go with ladyboys or ladies orboth or whatever, or men even.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
I saw it hear it in my particular case so many times
.
Really, yes, it's because, like, the way where you're going,
where you're going out, is likepro there are pro ladyboys, you
know.
So the environment where you'resurrounding yourself is really
healthy and it's even good as aconfident boost.

(01:19:03):
But why you don't know theEnglish clubs that we're talking
?
They're in the middle of thewalking street.
So if you're going in someplaces like 808, republic, iba,
whatsoever these are the highhetero places.
Where is this not normal andout of the ordinary?
If I show up, for example, withJune and we are a couple and we

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not even have to be kissing,but it's obviously that we be
together, you know, holdinghands or what, every table that
is next to us will gossip aboutus for the next 30 minutes.
We will be like the talk of thenight for the next 30 minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Talk of the town.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Yeah, that's what's right.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
And also we got the gossip all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm really like sensitive always
with my environment, you know,but you don't have to be
sensitive because it's soobvious right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yes, because we don't care anymore about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, we just enjoy the moment.
Yes, Even be laughing moreabout it right, yeah.
Same like when we go in flags.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
No, but maybe you should try to come with us and
then you will see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
It is what the people yeah, you will see, and then
just think about like what we'resaying, like keep it in mind
and not just be like happy inthe group and just watching
about the random people, and youwill immediately like they're
touching each other like yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah try not to
pointing with the finger, butsomehow in the direction.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Yes, yeah, yeah, but then I give the.
You know, talk about me, go,not my problem, it's your
problem and and on the otherside, toy, for example.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Right, she's really like how you say it, not famous,
but she attract a lot of guysin flex because so because
curves right, so she have bigcurves.

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Yes, hi for the black guys.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
Yeah, yeah so and then nobody go to her, and then
she always be so happy when I goto her be dancing and all this
stuff.
And then I had a question toher and I say to her Toy, please
tell me because that's myfeeling how many guys approach
you when you go out or on toilet, like secretly, or after flex,
like if they really want to go.
She said, oh my God, yeah,you're so right so many times,

(01:21:33):
but they're just shy and theywill never go because they don't
want to lose the friend theface, the face in the club yeah,
in the club, in the, in thefront of the group of the
friends, because if you you gostraight, talk with the lady boy

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
okay it's already the people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
They look at you oh, he's gay or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
So it's come there directly I need to come with you
one time to actually see thisyeah, that's why when we go to
the nightclub, so we just changethe contact and then some meet
later.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
do you mean change the contact?

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
with the guys, with the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Oh, they do it more secretly yeah, we have to keep
their faith as well, if someonelook at you, you just show him
your line and whatnot, and thenyou can meet him later yes,
something like that but thefirst we must do competition are
talking first.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
You're okay with, yes , something like that.
But the first we might docompetition, talking first,
you're okay with it because?
But we tell them straight like,oh, we are transgender, we are
ladyboys, of course you will nothave it yeah, you accept it,
then is it okay, so we can tryblah blah okay, I guess most of
them tried it before.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I don't think it's their first time, but most of
them tried it before.
I don't think it's their firsttime, but most of them probably
tried it before.
Popoli Kwa yeah.
I know a guy I will not say hisname, because he was.
I cannot say his name he alwaystell ladyboys from Thai
Friendly.
He was never with a ladyboybefore because he wants to play

(01:22:55):
oh, I'm a bird.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Yeah, same like my friend.
Okay, I'm a bird yeah, samelike my friend.
Okay, I use my example.
My friend, oh, he talked to mefor a long time, for a long time
, he with the woman, okay, hehave a girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
No, he don't have a girlfriend, but he do with the
woman.
Okay, he have sex with thewoman only.
Okay, but me and he.
We met together many times likemeet for the bar and drink,
have a beer, but we talkcompetition, like then I push on
him like hey, come on, you wantto know why?
Let's try.
Come on, we do the best, really, really, really the best

(01:23:33):
blowjob.
We know how to do it, we knowhow to do it.
We don't have to make you feelgood, you know, let's try.
Okay, the first.
Not mean like I push you today.
Let's come with me first for tothe ladyboy bar, just the first
, just take a look.
First, take a look.

(01:23:54):
Then I push a little bit moreon him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
So, you went to the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
But, you were interested in him.
Right, you were interested inhim.
Okay, who fucked him?
Then you fucked him.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
No, it's not me, it's another girl.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Oh, I thought you meant Okay, I understand now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Now I have my friend, I'm not fucked with him because
he's my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
So I pushed friend, not, not, I not fuck with him
because he my friend, he myfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
So I push him to try another lady boy and he did it
at the end.
He the first.
You see this why she sat a goodshe good at her job.
She even bring people outsideof the community.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
The first is not, but then he's and drives him crazy
so then is the first day oh,it's quite nice, sexy, but not
my type.
Then I put more and put more.
And then the next day, come on,let's go to another bar, see.
So then have a drink, touching,you know, then you get hot.
You want to try?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
we have room upstairs that's the scam guys, be
careful then he did so notromantic the first time in a
short time room.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
So then you know what , now, today, every day now,
Only ladyboys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Only ladyboys.
Yes, finish with his girlfriend, everything done.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Sometimes, sometimes I don't know, but when he come
Only ladyboys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Is he living here or no?
No, no, he.
Up, down Up down, you hook himup.
But I have to say, if you wasclose with him before, so at
least his interest, his interestand the curiosity was already
there.
Otherwise you wouldn't be likeso close with friend with him
nah, no, because, like you knowme, I like the like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
I don't care about like sex, like I'm open, like,
but you're like a family.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Yeah, like I want to be friendly, but I know also
many guys that they see ladyboyand they're don't touch me.
They are immediately scared orthey think that they will get
raped.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
I love the guy like that really I love the guy like
that.
I love the guy like that Really.
I love the guy like that I lovethe guy like that, Because the
first time for them is they'requite oh, no, no, no.
So then I can push a little bitto make them understand.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Yeah, but sometimes they are so disrespectful Not
all of them, but some of theguys.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Some are aggressive right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
Don't touch me, don't touch me.
Yeah, I remember one.
I think I told that already toyou or to Scott, I don't
remember.
So two or three months ago Iwent with one friend I met,
actually on the airplane I nevermet him before and we went to
Cindy's and his friend, a randomguy, wanted to come to meet us

(01:26:31):
there.
But he told me, listen, he's abit scared of ladyboys.
I said it's okay, we're justsitting there, no problem, we
can play pool, drink, whatever,yeah, and immediately he went
inside and one of the lady justtouched him and asked him for a
drink and he's freaked outcompletely.
Don't touch me, don't touch me.
You told me they will not touchme and it was so disrespectful

(01:26:52):
I felt so shy.
I just said okay, I'm so sorry.
Not even that, because I don'twant people think we are bigots.
You know, we like everyone.
It doesn't matter.
But when you act like that it'sreally.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
They're not just all, they're just only the person
like yeah, but still he's withus.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
You know how do we look when we we bring people
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:13):
Yeah so we just I paid the bill, and it was also
kind of like an overreaction fora certain reason, I don't know,
but the reason.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
You know, yeah, but he was very aggressive.
You know he was not aggressivetowards her, but in in his
reaction it was very loud, likeover the top, yeah, so okay it
was, but maybe on for me.
I never see the guy like thatreally yeah, never the guy act
like that, but if I saw one, yes, I might to tell him something

(01:27:41):
we saw one, if you remember,when we went with greg, so his
friend, I will not say his name.
Ah, yeah, he was extremelyaggressive.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Yeah, and he was.
Yeah, but he was a weird dude.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
I put his, all energy was not matching to the group
anyway, yeah, but you saw, everytime they came near him, he
just stepped back.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah, I don't understand the point why Greg
brought him, but he was alsodrunk.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
No, they are friends.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I understand, yeah, but the entire vibe was off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I thought already like, okay, he could maybe say in the
first place oh yeah, maybe yougo another time meet your
friends there.
Just say to them like we havedifferent plans because he was
just like at the wrong time atthe wrong place.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
It might be yeah, but it's very, as we said before,
it's not very common to seesomething like that.
Like normally, when you seeeven guys that are not not
completely not into ladyboys,they know the scene.
They come, sit, drink, play alittle bit and they left.
They are going home.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
It's not like such an overreaction, but we have to
bring you to the club that youcan see how the people usually
react.
I want to see that, yeah,empathize.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Not one, not one.
We have to go around.
Yeah, we always go around.
Come on, yeah, one we have togo around.
Yeah, we always go around.
Come on, yeah, but that youjust see.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
That you just see it's not like, it's not like
okay, it's not like random, it'slike obviously all the time
yeah, but I still and okay, Iwant to see that, but I still
suspect it's a matter ofself-esteem and confidence.
Maybe you are more aware ofthat.
I give you example, okay, Iwill not again I cannot say who,

(01:29:18):
but I know one girl that shethink everyone hates her,
everyone talking about her allthe time.
No, really, even if peoplewhisper together, she sure it's
about her.
Okay, so sometimes I think, andit's a matter of self-esteem,
100, you agree with that.
Yeah, so maybe here, if it's inthis extreme.
Yes, so maybe in your case, forexample, I'm not saying your

(01:29:39):
self-esteem is low, I'm justsaying maybe it's a sensitive
like issue for you a little bitso even if people don't think
about you but yeah, the pointingor whatever, the looking
immediately think no, no, theyare talking about us no, I have
to say completely no ok, I needto see that in my eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
We not spoke about it and we she totally.
Look how sure you are about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
I need to see that, I can see.
I not say that you are wrong orlying, but I want to experience
it for myself and everyone wewill put here with us on Ladyboy
on the sofa.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Yeah, they would agree the same.
It's not like a story becausewe are too sensitive or we think
like we're always in thespotlight or whatsoever.
It's really you can.
It's so obvious, they can'thide it, they can't hide it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
I have to say, ladyboys in Thailand already
feel like a second-degree person.
They already think they are notas good as.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
You know what I mean I think, I think, I know what
you mean, but so they alwaysthink okay because, first of all
, it's come from the family.

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
I was born a man, but now I'm a lady.
Maybe my family yeah, they loveme and everything but maybe
they're not happy with me.
And then it start what will themen think about me?
You remember when we talkedabout relationships?

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
so it's much more harder for a ladyboy to find a
long-lasting relationship Ithink is now is for the, for the
ladyboy is quite easylong-lasting relationship really
, because now it's everyeverything is quite is open for
that already and I think thatpeople didn't know about more

(01:31:23):
like lgbtq more.
I think it's everyone is openfor that now and also I think
it's just only about long longlong lasting, yeah long lasting,
just to just into person.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Understood together, happy together yeah, but when we
had this conversation before,so we talked about it, was with
my friend john right.
You know which conversation I'mtalking about.
So he used, he used to have agirlfriend, that um lady boy,
and after they broke up, maybesix months or seven months, her

(01:31:58):
name was mini she killed herself.
And then we talk why, whathappened, and when we asked him
because it wasn't about johnright, it was because her own
reasons.
But pim say also lady boys,it's more hard for them to find
real love, not not, not, not thetrue, not the truth you not the
truth?
You're not agree with that.
I'm not agree.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
You think it's the same, me it's 11 years already
Not every night Someone fallingin love with you?
Oh no, not at all.
They come in the cat toys.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
They hate me as well.
They hate me as well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Okay, so you don't think it's that.
No, okay, it's the girl as well, not only lady boy, so you
think it's equally easy to findlove for a lady and for a lady
boy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
It's easy.
Okay, can be the same.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Because we said last time sorry to cut you, but we
know the community right, weknow the guys, we know the
veterans and we know we.
For some reason we also knowthe newcomers, and me maybe.
No, you are just a quick comer.
This is different you are aquick comer, not a newcomer yes,

(01:33:09):
quite quiet.
So let's say, at least 70percent of the people that are
going with ladyboys.
They don't see them again, it'ssomething I'm repeating but
they are not seeing them as aperson.
They're seeing them as a fetish.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
is that fetish?
Fetish, like he say, also likea sex toy.
But fetish is more, like somepeople.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Like he fantasize.
Oh, I want to be with ladyboys.
So it's like a fetish, so forthem being with a ladyboy is a
fetish right, and sometimes thiscauses them to not treat you as
a person.
Yeah, they will be nice andthey will buy, but they're only
interested in fucking orwhatever, and that's it.
There is nothing behind it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Yeah, but you have some kind of people like this I
think I do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
I do, it's only a sexual desire.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Yeah yeah, this is what I mean by fetish.
There is no, no feeling behindlike emotional nothing, this is
what exactly?
What makes me horny and I gofor it?
I think it's have some peoplelike that.
I think 70 percent of thepeople are like that.
I also would not say it's thathigh let's say really yeah, yeah

(01:34:23):
.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Let's say it's less.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
Really like let's say okay, 20 to it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Okay, I'm talking about not only the veterans, the
newcomers, yeah but I alsowould say, like, if I read the
comments right, so you mean thecomments for your videos, yeah,
okay.
So if I read the comments,there are so many Comments.

(01:34:50):
They're like Not that sexualthat as you actually thought
there might be.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
So like oh, my god, I wish I would be this guy is so,
so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
She's one of the most beautiful girls.
Some, some like that theyreally put there on such a high
spot.
Like it almost like star,untouchable level.
So that I think like, wow, soyou have a lot of guys they're
just dreaming about it, yeah,but it's even more fetish.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
Think about it, people that actually pay.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
But they're not saying to everyone.
So they have a specific type,how they look and when they saw
it.
Yeah, so they're saying like,wow, this is it.
And it's not like sexual, theyjust could like look at her
because they just think likeit's just like the perfect woman
, because you have everythingand even more what.

Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
I desire.
Yes, but he didn't find thisvideo because of her.
He found this video because hewas already interested in
Ladyboys and then he knew yourchannel or he came across your
videos.
You cannot just find Ladyboyvideos randomly on the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
You have to search for it, but I still believe that
the number is not by 70%.
Yes, me too, and I trulybelieve it's way lower.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Really lower for sure .
Yeah, I swear Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
No, I think you are the one who can judge it the
best because you come in touchwith so many guys.
Yes, just because of your work,so I think like, if you say
like just from the feeling, so Ithink you can judge it the best
, and also from your years fromexperience, because we don't

(01:36:32):
come across so many guys.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
But there is very easy way to measure it.
So you used to work as anescort, right?
How many, in your opinion, howmany of your customers really
fell in love with you as aperson?
Like they would pay you evennot to to go fuck, just hey, I

(01:36:53):
want to spend time with you.
I really like you.
Like, can we go to a movie?
Yeah, like to movie.
Hang out, yeah, yeah, yeah,just how like?
What is the percent of thosekind of customers?
It's a lot, yeah, yes, morethan 50%, is it?
Okay, is it?
So maybe my worldview is likedistorted Because normally.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
We changed it today already a little bit, so we work
on it it might, but because youknow me, I'm a very talkative
person like you, but normally no, no.
I am.
I am a talkative person.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
When you put me in any bar.
That's why you're the host.
That's why you're the host Iknow, but when you put me in any
random bar, normally I willjust start talking with people,
just go around introducingmyself, whatnot, and just
talking with people, and many ofthe people that I do meet in
ladyboy bars their questionsabout the ladyboys that they see

(01:37:48):
are always extremely sexual,extremely yes.
I never heard like, oh, is shea good person or does she have a
boyfriend?
I never heard the question doesshe have a boyfriend?
It's always how big is her cock?
She's bottom or top.
You know this is the questionthat you normally get and you
never have like in regular, notladyboy bars.

(01:38:11):
Normally I hear the differentquestion.
Hey, you know if she has aboyfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Yeah, right, okay, come on.
This question is already out ofthe window because you do the
work that she did, so you metthis girl in a bar.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
In a bar I mean regular bars, not ladyboy bars.
Normally when I speak with theguys over there, if they know I
know the ladies they will ask meactually if she has a boyfriend
.
I never heard how deep is herpussy or does she take it up the
ass.
It's always more.
I think the guys that do cometo the bars and do look for that
.
Maybe it's the girlfriendexperience, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
No, yeah, it's the girl experience and the ladyboy
experience different.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Yeah, but they are always asking less sexual
questions in regular bars ratherthan in ladyboy bars?

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Yeah, because they know it.
That's why they ask for their.
She have a boyfriend already ornot.
On the Dracula girl bar right?
Yeah, because they don't wantto have any problem with her
Thai boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
They will never have a problem with the Thai
boyfriend of a ladyboy also.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
No, the ladyboy is normal.
You can go, but the but thedrag girl they're coming like.
They're coming like.
Please, when now my time towork, send me there.
The time finish, come pick meup.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
Okay, that is the girl I see that many times, but
I think you, you, you get mypoint, what I meant about the
sexual thing because you mean,like, why is the guy not out
about with the girl, not talkthe girl much about, why he's
more?

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
interested to know her sexual features, rather
personality features but maybe,just maybe, you have to sing
like this.
So if you meet a girl, so younot have sexual options, of
course you can say like, okay,you take it in the ass too, yeah
, so, but this is the onlyoption that you can have.

(01:40:09):
Actually, yeah, so, becauseeveryone, I think, suck cock,
yeah, so there are just a few.
They say don't.
But okay, yeah, but you, youget my point.
Yeah, of course so, but it'smore interesting, um, knowing it
about the ladyboys, because youhave many ladyboys.
They're only button.
So then you, you you're talkingto a ladyboy who behave 100%

(01:40:34):
like a girl, like a woman.
Yeah, so you cannot haveanything special.
Maybe she let you suck her cockor whatsoever.
But it's more interestingbecause there are more
variations.
So she can be bottom, she canbe versatil, so that means she's
open for both.
Or she say like no, I'm morethe dominant part, I'm top.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
That's why, again, there arefour questions that I normally
hear in ladyboy bars how big isher cock?
How big is her cock Right?
Can she cum Really?
Can she fuck other ladyboys andcan she fuck ladies?
These are the four most commonquestions you hear, and all of
those are fetish questions.
Yeah, if you're really intosomeone, why do you care if she

(01:41:17):
can come or not?
Why do you care if she can gowithout the lady boys or fuck
ladies?

Speaker 3 (01:41:21):
because maybe they would love to know about the
third time.
They must you know, like stepby step, maybe learn about it.
I think we will not agree aboutthis point I have.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
I have one thing.
I have one thing.
So, but you never witness thiskind of person.
Maybe when they meet someonethat they feel like from the
first time they see them thatthis is a special one.
If they think it's a specialone, they would behave maybe

(01:41:51):
differently.
More percentage would be, butthere it's more like sexual
because they are horny they'relooking at her and she makes her
.

Speaker 1 (01:42:00):
I disagree with you, you disagree with me.
I tell you why Because most ofthe guys I know that actually
dating ladyboys.
So they end up then later with arelationship, the relationship
with ladyboys and the firstthing that they tell me, oh, she
has such a big cock, you know,you know a big cock, you know,

(01:42:23):
you know what I mean.
Like, yeah, it's still sexual.
I, I know few, not all of them,okay, the guys that in
relationship it's really 50 50,because the other 50 will tell
me, oh, she's such a nice person, I, I really enjoy my time with
her.
Yeah, I'm having so much timelike, or just telling me about
her family, or they went to thevillage together or or whatnot.
That's perfect.
Why do I need to know the sizeof her cock?

(01:42:44):
Or if she can do that, she'syour fucking girlfriend.
Why do you tell me that?
I never, you know me, I willnever ask such such question.
Is it appropriate?
No, you will not ask yourfriends hey, how's your, how's
your wife at sucking cock?

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
right, no, she have a tight pussy or not, but you
have some.
But this is thing like it'salso different, uh, about the
guys.
So you just have guys.
They like to just show off andwe are meeting the same people
at the end of the day, come on,yeah, but you just have people.
That really.
So for me, like, I have friendsand they're not even into
ladyboys, so they always go inthe details about the girls oh,

(01:43:21):
the pussy was so tight, forexample so you don't, yes, you
have just this kind of.
That's why no, that's why womenwomen think, yeah, that we men
always talking like this,because there are so many guys
they're talking like in thiskind of sexual manner, just to
show off you know, I justshowing you.

(01:43:43):
But I like my style, yeah, butI'm the same, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Yeah, even you are in the industry, you're never
speaking like that, no, never.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
So I basically said look, how beautiful she looks in
that.
So it's always like really likerespectful, yeah, but this is
just the way.
It's just also the way how yousee them.
You know what I mean, becausethese guys, they are talking
about real girls.
They're also just seeing themlike they.
They say then to me yeah, butshe was a prostitute.

(01:44:12):
So even to use this word in inthailand is not really common,
because everyone call it likefreelancer or you would say
she's a working girl.
I hear yamcha, I hear gree yes,I hear all those words this is
yes, but this is already thepoint.
So they don't really have therespect for this person and they

(01:44:33):
treat her even also like a sextoy.
And this you can not only saythat the guys doing that to
ladyboys they're doing is, withthis kind of attitude, this kind
of category guy, they will doit to everyone, they will do it
to girls and they will do it toladyboys because it's just the
way they behave and they wouldonly change this behavior if
they're falling in love withthis kind of person.

(01:44:55):
Maybe, but that's the only wayaround.
And then you have guys like us.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
They're not showing off like this and we always be
really respectful and extremely,even too much sometimes, at the
point that you know what I mean.
No, that sometimes no, yes thatsometimes we even not enjoying,
we just want them to have fun.
For example, when you go to abar and you just want to oh here

(01:45:21):
, 1,000 baht, play a killer pool, yeah, you enjoy yourself, but
it's even too respectful.
You don't know them, you don'tget anything out of it, you just
want to see them having fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
I would then more say , maybe, like you give them the
drink and you're not really intoher, but you think like, okay,
maybe she not have a lady drinktoday and you think she's a nice
person.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Yeah, that's normal, that is normal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Yeah, so I also think like this is normal, you know,
okay, you cannot be too friendlyin Pattaya.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Come on, you're talking.
You're one of the mostfriendliest guy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yeah.
So it's like yeah, but in inwhat kind of bad spot it brings
you.
How long you're not falling inlove with every single one and
you just be like respectful andfriendly, I think you'll be on
the safe side.
It would be like different anda difficult thing.
If you like falling in loveevery day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Yes, then you would have, like you would have
problems.
Fuck you, scott, by the way, ifyou are seeing that, but like
scott, yeah, he's falling up,falling in love every day.
Yeah, I can see that and me aswell.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Yeah, you know that I told you, many people are
falling in love with you on adaily basis, that's for sure no,
not really, but it wasinteresting what you said before
.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
It was funny that with ladyboys they have more
options.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Yeah, very funny like that it's like right, so that's
why also for me it's like forme personally, if she's only
button, I think like okay, whatis the entire point that I not
fuck a lady?

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
so if you say again what is the entire, why you
prefer ladyboys, you mean no.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
So if, if I made a ladyboy, okay, and the ladyboy
tell me oh, I'm only, I'm onlybottom, so that means she only
wants to get fucked, right.
So then I think, okay, so thenI can fuck a lady.
So what's?
What's the entire point?
Because I want it, because your, your sex life can be so much

(01:47:20):
more excited because you getfucked, you can fuck her, so you
can do so many things, and soyou are kind of limited, yeah,
but also most of the ladies arenot three-holers, so normally
they know.
So you mean that.
Okay, so they have theadvantage that you can fuck them
in the ass.
Okay, but the ladies have theadvantage you can fuck a pussy

(01:47:40):
that get wet, yeah, andhopefully it's tight.
So it's hopefully, yeah, yeah,it's like that, no comment about
it.
Did you ever fuck a real pussy?

Speaker 3 (01:47:53):
or never.
I did what it's about when I'mworking about nana press oh
before, before long time agobecause I want to know as well,
because I want to know how thepussy you know but, then I tried
, not my type, so you're notyour type or not your type, not
my type.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
I don't like it.
I don't like it, you know sothen it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
So only one time, you tried Only one time.
But European girl.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
But not Thai.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
With Thai?
No, Not for me.
I'm shy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
You know, I've seen the last few months, I've seen
it happen a few times.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
But long time ago, but now no more.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
Actually, ladies go to those bars Normally with
their boyfriend, but they onlywant to find someone for, like a
ladyboy, to fuck that lady.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
I've seen that a few times, the world getting more
open and more open.

Speaker 3 (01:48:47):
No, no, I mean what?

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
I've seen in my eyes the world is open, everything
changes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Yes, yeah, I have nothing against it, and also
like then you not see yet likeit's a girlfriend, wife and
husband they come together.
Then both lady boy bring upwith her boyfriend alone,
together, and she stay down,wait.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Yeah, she stay down and wait.
Yes, I never see this.
Have it, I believe, haveeverything, but still, it was
the first time I saw it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
It was funny and then let you get who, who, who, you,
who use who?

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
who do, who fuck who?

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
yeah, who fuck who?
Then let you get it of coursethe lady boy fucked the guy.
Yes, in the ass, yes okay,that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
Okay, good to know.
Anyway, I think we need to wrapit up.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Yeah, okay, we did like way over one hour already,
so it's like two episodes itmight be maybe you can split it
but first of all anything youwant to no, hey, we go already
over time, so I know, I wantagain to tell about your thing.
No, my thing is my thing, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
No, not this thing, your thing I mean.
Your thing, yeah, so you wantto say anything to the?

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
people that watch us.
So then I'm about to say likeso if people are watching it,
please it's Capsky, follow it.
And also like, please, come seeme in katoya ass.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
And also like see you soon, guy yeah, you have to
invite june for a couple ofdrinks.
She needs some drinks to carryyou, hey.
And if they are lucky, we arethere because we quite often
there, so maybe we're sitting inthe in the corner on the table.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Yes, now they know how we look like, yeah, yeah, we
are going to get harassed evenmore.
Now maybe we get free drinks,who knows?
But really, guys, if you are inthe area and you want to see
and experience a really yeahgood gogo bar and a beautiful
lady boys, yeah, but it's alsoin general, it's a good bar the

(01:50:57):
most sexy PR manager just go toKRU in Soi Bokau.
It's called Katuiz Aras.
Very easy to find what the nameof the restaurant near it
everyone knows it.
Next to the hotel Shabahat nextto it and, of course, as Michel

(01:51:19):
said, you might see us there.
And one last thing again, wehad a Patreon.
Go check it out, becausebecause of your support, we can
do stuff like that and even more.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
So, thank, you for listening watching and see you
next time bye, bye, thank youguys, bye, bye weee.

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