March 9, 2024 • 52 mins
Embrace the power of inclusivity with us as we dissect the societal support systems for LGBTQ individuals and challenge education's status quo. Joined by the insightful Lada, we uncover the transformative approach families, schools, and workplaces can adopt to not only accept but celebrate diversity. Our discussion ventures into the realm of hiring practices, advocating for a merit-based ecosystem where skills shine brighter than gender labels. Journey with us as we navigate the intricate paths of higher education versus hands-on experience, and learn why the tale of a Thai individual's rise from a mall kiosk to a hotel career may just be the key to redefining success.
The traditional educational model faces a reckoning as we unravel the story of practical learning triumphing over formal degrees. We examine Thailand's education system through the eyes of a hypothetical Minister of Education, advocating for a shift towards skill-based and passion-driven learning. Our conversation illuminates the need for effective language instruction and the potential of the internet as a boundless classroom, encouraging listeners to envision a future where students are empowered to chase their interests with fervor.
We then explore the landscape of Thailand's push for marriage equality and the nation's burgeoning support for the LGBTQ community, including the journey of transgender role model Mimi Tao. Our narrative acknowledges the cultural shifts signified by the rise of ganja shops and unpacks the complexities of Thailand's drug policy, questioning the effectiveness of current addiction treatments. Throughout this episode, we strive to provoke thought and inspire action towards a more inclusive and understanding society that champions individuality and talent over outdated norms.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello everyone, welcome to my Thai Y Postcache.
And now I don't have any Ys,and also the Mike is not with us
.
He's a lovely Y as well.
I'm still doing this without mylovely, lovely Ys.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But, as you hear, lada is here.
Hello, lada, how are you?
Hi, I'm good.
Good.
I want to continue where westopped last episode because I
think we had very very very goodconversation.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's a lot of big topic.
Come back.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So you started to say now two rules you want to
change.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, two rules and a lot of things that I repeat.
First, first things I want inthe family right, as I told you,
start with the family, accept,but not just only accept,
support, support and give themcheerful or whatever that they
can do.
And also in the school yeah, Iwant the school to support and
(00:59):
accept things about this thingalso, like if they want, if they
get the student you have, like,a lot of students that are
LGBTQ you should support andopen mine.
Not just only open mine, but Imean in the costume or in the
class or whatever this thingalso.
And then the third step, thenumber third, when you grow up
(01:20):
and finish the school, when yougo to apply the job, Okay.
I want all the company to acceptabout gender as well, not just
only put on the paper a man,females, a male or females, but
you need to have the otherchoice, like others, or LGBTQ, I
would just say we are hiring.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, we are hiring.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I was like when you post on the social media that
you want the new stuff, maybeyou can say like, because right
now they put just like man andlady, we want the staff, but man
this ish, lady this ish, butyou know, post like whatever
about the LGBTQ, whatever ladyboys or what else, okay, yeah.
(02:01):
So sometimes we call like hey,we are lady boys, can we, can,
we, can we apply this job?
And some mostly they say no, wewant ladies.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, yeah.
So why?
Why can I ask why they say noLike, do you have?
They have reason.
Or just because they don't likelady boys?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think some is like that, some, some people that
don't like lady boys, but notnot surely that I think some.
The other point is like thething maybe I don't know how to
explain because I'm not thatpoint.
Yeah Of course I'm the people,I'm the lady boy who want them
(02:43):
to open my for us, but I don'tknow what's the owner thinking.
I want to see and I want toknow also what they're thinking.
Okay, why just only men?
Or maybe sometimes like onlysome job, and I understand, like
security, yeah, I want a man.
Okay, I understand.
Yeah, and the other jobs, likethe other job the lady can do?
(03:04):
Why, why lady boy cannot do?
Okay, why transgender cannot do?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, so this law, for example, in most of Western
countries there is law for that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That say you cannot exclude someone from work
because of their identity.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, not just only their sexual.
Maybe lady boy can work better,but sometimes, like it doesn't
mean that all lady boy can workeverything better, up to skill.
But I mean say up to skill,lady can do, a man can do, and
why lady boy can do yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Some, some people let's.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I want to talk about like something in the middle,
like cooking.
Yeah, everyone can do cookingif they have the skill for that.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, For example.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I cannot cook anything, even omelet I burn.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, I cannot cook, but but yeah, I know people, for
example my wife.
She never worked before aboutcooking, but right now she have
the skills for that we can learn.
No, she like she have the touch.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, you know what I ?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
mean, maybe she born with it, she good about cooking.
Yeah, she never knew that aboutherself, but she's good about
that.
So I think, for jobs likecooking and, for my opinion, all
jobs, for my opinion, evensecurity, but I don't want to
touch that right now, but yeah.
I think, all jobs need to opento anyone, because when let's
say I'm hiring, I'm hiring byskills.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So if I think someone is right for the job that I
hired for, okay, let's, let's go, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And also it's like, not like.
Oh, another thing that I want.
I mean this one is not out fromtheir LGBTQ.
I mean, when you go to applythe jobs and when you want a new
stuff, I want the owner or thecompany to accept about their
agenda as well.
And also, the skill doesn'tmean say what gender they are.
(04:54):
And also another thing is theeducation.
It doesn't mean that you havemajor degree and you work good.
No, Some people that have highschool degree work better.
Can I explain something?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
about that.
There is an interesting pointabout what you are saying right
now.
Yeah, normally when people havethe major degree, like the BA,
and the.
Ma and the doctorate orwhatever.
It's mean two things.
First, it's mean that there aregood learners.
Yeah, you know they can learnsomething quickly, or if it's
(05:31):
something that is complicatedthey are able to learn.
And the second?
The second thing is the subjectthey learn.
Let's say I learned, forexample, chemistry right, and we
are both applying for achemistry job to be a chemist.
I think I need to be a chemistif you don't have this degree
right?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
If you never learn about chemistry.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
How can you be a chemist?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I understand about that things, but most of the job
that we are doing now I can saymaybe in Thailand or maybe in
another country also, when thekid go to the school and also go
to the university, and when thegraduate, what they learn and
then they are looking for thejob that they want to go there,
(06:18):
for example, they learn thechemical, but they have no job
because we don't want a 1000chemical, they don't want a
10,000 chemical.
Notes I want used in day 1, forexample, it's an arrangement to
be a chemist is called.
They not get the job that theylearn.
Okay, yeah.
And also my point is like our,when we go to apply the job and
(06:41):
when we go to the company, Iwant the company to open mind to
the high school degree or eventhrough the list there For them.
It's like I think everythingcan learn.
For example, we cannot do goodin cooking, but we learn and
then we become a chef Okay, butcooking is one thing yeah, I
want to do my finances Mm-hmm,everything.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Let's say I have big company and I need someone to
control my money.
I will not take someone thatdon't have experience in that,
that thing you can take.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I understand on that point I mean the other side, but
if you want a doctor, so I'msure it's like you don't want
like a teacher, or you don'twant, like a farmer, to become a
doctor like that I understand.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
If you go to school.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Up to them also Because like, yeah, if the job
like that, I totally understand,but I mean another.
So can you give me example?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
for a job, for you understand what you mean.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For example, like when you go to, for example,
myself.
Okay, yeah, okay For myself.
That's always the best examples, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Always yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Because that's your best story.
So I have only high schooldegree.
Okay, people don't think that Ican speak English.
Okay, because I have only highschool degree and mostly Thai
people we don't speak English.
Well, but I speak English.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You have a podcast?
Come on yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I can speak English.
Yeah, and also it's like when Iwork in the shopping mall, yeah
, in the shopping mall.
So I have one lady.
She named Elisa.
I love her so much.
They say my mommy, so she foundme.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
She older than you, yeah, she older than me.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
She is my maybe third mommy, yeah, so she found me in
the shopping mall and I'mselling about the robot to
cleaning the house and I canspeak English, so we have
talking and conversation.
She is a fucking lovely wife.
She buy this machine to herhusband Because when she go to
work and the general manager inthe hotel so she put most of the
(08:47):
time in the hotel.
Okay, yeah, so she is herhusband clean the house and take
care of the baby.
And she said, oh, my husbandworks so hard, I want to do
something for him.
So she buy a robot From you,yeah, for me.
And then she like me because Ican speak English.
She said, wow, are you Thai?
(09:09):
And then, wow, how can youspeak English very well?
Then she say, very impressiveabout me.
Then she leave me about thebusiness card and I'm general
manager of this hotel and I wantyou to go to work with me if
you interesting, yeah, inBangkok.
But I feel like, hey, all I know, like mostly things that I know
(09:35):
, if you want to work in thehotel industry, you need to
learn about the hotel industry.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And the tourists.
Yes, bachelor degree.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Not only, not just only like a little thing, but
you need to learn and finishabout the bachelor degree about
the hotel and business major.
Okay, you understand, yeah, andI feel like, oh, I don't have
any experience about that thingsthan I never work in the hotel
and I never learns about thisthing.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Okay, yeah, I'm just a salesman.
But as a salesman you haveexperience in two things yeah,
sales and customer service.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, and so with mine, yeah.
So she see the service in meand she said, oh, maybe the
service I can use in the hotelas well.
So she hired me.
But after few months, yeah, Icontact her because in first
thing, like oh, I'm not deservethis job because I didn't learn
and I know, if you want this jobyou need to finish about the
(10:31):
university, about the businessand the hotel.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And the tourist things also for get the job Okay
, and I know it's that and it'sreal.
Yeah, but when I go to work inthe hotel, I work very well.
I can do everything very well.
I learned lots of things.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And then I can do very well.
She says like you work, likemore, better than the people who
created these things, becausesometimes you learn a lot from
the paper.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You come lazy.
You think, oh, I alreadylearned that, why I need to work
hard.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It doesn't matter like you have a bachelor degree
or major degree, you can workwell.
Some people is lazy, somepeople is not lazy, but I
learned a lot.
I know.
I know everything.
I don't want to learn about it.
I know everything.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Too much confidence.
I know what mindset you mean.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, they don't want to learn more because the
things that you learn from thebook it difference that you
learn from the new experience.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's the opposite sometimes.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yes, you see now we learn a lot from the school
Chemical we learn about.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Financial we learn about all the things Of course.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Physics, everything.
But what do you use in thattime?
Nowadays do you do physicsthings.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
No, but physics, computer science, really help
when they teach that in highschool.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
computers is very important Computer language,
yeah, english.
Computer is the mostuncalculated, yeah, like
mathematics.
Yeah, sometimes we need to use,but not too much like
mathematics, like 3-gon orsomething like brism or
something that fucking crazyCalculus or something that
fucking crazy.
We never use in real life, youunderstand.
So I want to share this thingalso when you go to school.
(12:26):
What do you teach to thestudent?
Okay, some teachers said oh,because we have the rule like
this number one, two, three,four, five.
One subject, two subjects,three subjects, four subjects
like science, mathematics,english and something like that.
But sometimes we learn too muchthings.
But the thing is we use justonly two, three things that we
(12:47):
can use in the real life.
So another thing is that welose our time.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So what would let's say now?
You're the minister ofeducation in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What are you changing ?
Computer, english and maybefinancial, okay, so what are you
changing?
And also, it's about theoccupation Occupation.
Yeah occupation, about theskill that, like, you can ask
like, oh, what do you want to be?
What, like, maybe you want tobe a technician, maybe you want
(13:18):
to be a chef, maybe you want tobe the sting?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I don't think.
At 18 I knew what I want to be.
Even at 18 I was too young todecide or to dream what I want
to be.
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, but you can shoot whatever you want to learn
.
Yes, yeah, whatever that youwant to learn and I think now
today is like I want the kid tonot learn a lot from the paper,
but learn from the experience.
That's a good.
Yeah, because nowadays we like,for example, five hours that we
learn in the skill in the class.
(13:51):
Yeah, I want like, maybe it'slike we learn just only three
hours and two hours.
We learn like to practice thethings that in real Like maybe
fixing something in your houseyes, and also English, not just
only grammar, not just only likedictionary or something like
that, because your head gonnastick with that.
And the big things aboutThailand that we want to share
(14:12):
is about the English Englishteacher and English study.
We pushed a lot of things togive the kids to learn about the
work at Bali, about the grammaryeah, about the grammar but
they're not teach the kid.
The kid know the work at Bali,the kid know the grammar, but
they don't know how to speak,larry, yeah.
(14:33):
And they don't know how to speak, they don't know how to listen,
they don't know how to write.
I want to put this thing more,okay, yeah, more, more than a
letter.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So you say basically that if you be the minister of
education, you cut some subjects.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, I would cut some subjects that we don't want
this.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Or chemistry.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And more you will put more time in English.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Computer science general skills and also give the
kid to shoot like whatever theywant to learn.
Support them.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, support them and give them a thumbs.
So you think that?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
there is a big problem with the education
system right now in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
A big, a big, big, big, big big even through the
teacher.
I have many teacher friends.
My friend become a teacher.
I think more than 10 people,and they talk the same.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Sometimes they, sometimes they want to teach the
kid in this way, but the paperand the law control them.
You need to teach like this One, two, three, four, five.
Also, let me tell you something, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't know if you know that, but in my country and
I know also in many Westerncountries not all of them,
because some Western countrieshave very good education, but in
many countries the teachersteach just in order for you to
get good grade, Because if theschool show that the 90% of our
(16:01):
children got good grade, theschool get more money.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Sometimes it get good grade by give, like a teacher,
a bamboo or some mushroom, orsometimes like a, a min or
something like that, to get agood grade as well.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yes, but I mean not small, small exams, I mean the
national exams that they testeveryone, sorry.
So what they do basically isthey spend most of the time
teaching just to pass an exam.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And after that you can forget.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You don't, you don't need to use that anymore, and
this is a big problem in theeducation system in most of the
world.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
They are teaching just to pass a test.
They are not teaching yousomething that is useful, as you
said.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And also, like the teacher, have a lot of things to
do.
Like my friend says.
Oh, most of the time I do aboutthe report.
I go to meeting, I go to likeorganization, I go to this
province for meeting, I go tothat thing, that thing, that
thing, and then I come back andhave a thousand of report that I
need to write, I read, totyping.
I need to do this thing.
And also the teacher also havethe test.
(17:05):
Like some organization, come tosee you all, you have a good
test or not a good test, and ifyou not have a good test, you're
not passed.
You cannot be a teacher.
You can be like a fire or yoube like you lose the test In
order to be a teacher.
You know, yeah, if it was theperfect world.
So sometimes they lose the mind, they focus on the test If it
was the perfect world.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I would choose teachers by how they are good at
teaching and how they cancommunicate with the children,
like, for example.
I don't think I can be a goodteacher, but I know that my
brother he very good atexplaining and he's very patient
and he gives his time for otherpeople in order they can learn
and understand something, somaybe he's more suitable to be a
(17:50):
teacher than me, and also now,today, I think that the kids can
learn from the internet as well.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The internet has two sides, sometimes like porn and
education, Porn and game yeahsometimes porn and game.
I understand the things, but theother side, they learn a lot
from the internet, from YouTubeor whatever.
They want to learn.
How many things in the internetyou can learn a lot, not just
only in the school.
Sometimes a lot of things canlearn outside of the school,
(18:17):
yeah, so so I think that's theway we have a lot of things to
learn out of the school.
Yeah, many things you can learnsurround yourself, and
sometimes they don't have thelesson in the school to learn.
You need to learn in real life.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know, when my wife Sunari, when she wanted to
learn how to cook something, shealways go to her teacher.
You know what is her teacher?
Google and YouTube.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
This is her teacher.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the teacheris all around and also with the
knowledge you're all aroundyourself.
Everything can be your teacher,Even to the bad people.
They do a bad thing to you, butthey give you a lesson.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, that's true, you can learn from experience.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, you can learn from experience and I think
nowadays to learn from theexperience our outside of the
books and also outside of thebox, out of the box as well.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's not.
Everyone know how to do that.
So, many people are very insidethe box.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, sometimes, like the education in Thailand, we
are in the box, yeah, and we canalso get out from the box.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Most of the countries are inside the box and if
someone try to get out of thebox, they put them back inside.
Yeah, no no, no, don't ask thisquestion.
We don't talk about thisquestion.
Ask something else.
Okay, so this was your.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So the number, 3 is about the job, and the job is
come by the education.
Yeah, yeah.
And also you can see it's likewhen you see the lady boy and
the trans woman where the job,the dick, you can find them.
Mostly it's only like a 3Dsalon.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, they can't mess with something yeah, a salon,
nail salon, atri-sy, aboutatri-sy, like you know, like a
makeup artist, oh yeah, a makeupartist, a costume, yeah, and
like, and also sometimes you cansee it's like a mostly cover
ratio.
Okay, yeah, cover ratio andthis kind of stuff.
(20:13):
But why?
Why we cannot be a social, whywe cannot be a teacher, why we
cannot be a lot of jobs that wecan't stand with a man and
ladies.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
So in my experience, when I goto apply the jobs, like I
already know, like I'm lady boy,maybe they can say, okay, we
can contact you later, but Iknow they're not gonna call me.
Yeah, because I can see thisthing.
So I think I want the word, notjust only in Thailand.
I want the word to open my forLGBTQ.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Most of the countries .
Yeah, most of the countries.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, maybe they can say yeah, they're open.
Same same my country inThailand.
Oh, we really open for LGBTQ.
We already open for lady boybut when we apply the job,
they're not really open.
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, countries like America.
This I know for fact.
Okay, let's say, you apply forjob, mm-hmm, you have a master
degree, you are a lady boy, butI have master degree in finance
and I apply job for finance.
If I can learn that they hiresomeone that don't have master
degree, have just bachelordegree, yeah, just because he's
(21:21):
not a transgender, I can suethem.
So many companies just say,okay, okay, we not touch this.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, if you want to walk here come on, come walk
here, yeah, so, but nowadays Ican see it's a little bit better
, but not really better, yeah,but it's a little bit better.
And also the first things, likefor families, families, I mean,
(21:51):
first we start from the family,yeah, and I want to end up with
the family, okay.
So first family and the secondis the school and the third is
about the job, yeah, and thefinal things we come back from
the families LGBTQ families orlady boy families.
We talked about the law, that'sabout the marriage.
(22:12):
About people's marriage same sexyeah, same sex marriage.
And it's not just only marriage.
It's also about a lot of lawafter marriage About your wheels
, about your kid, about youradaptation Okay, about the house
, about like when, for example,when you go to the hospital, and
if you are LGBTQ couples, likelady boys and boys, or like a
(22:37):
lesbian, but you're married, ormaybe you're a couple but you
cannot have like the samesurnames After marriage can be
the same surname, right In law.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
For example, I married with this man and I
changed my surname to be himyeah, so when we go to the
hospital you can do whatever ifyou are a wife and husband.
The wife can take care of herhusband.
The wife can sign all thepapers in the hospital.
But if you are LGBTQ, if youare, a lady, boys and.
Yeah, cannot.
(23:11):
Why Also the wheels?
Because of the law?
What?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
the law say Can you explain to me?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
The law says, like the law, allow for the people
that get married in law right Awife and husband, but LGBTQ
Cannot marry, even through.
We married but we not really100% of married in the law.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We married in this thing.
You are married in the country,but you are not married by law.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yes, we want to get married in law, by law, for more
benefit.
Not just not benefit, but formore, like a man and a lady
getting yeah, just an equalityfor everyone.
Also the wheel, also adaptationof baby or everything.
Yeah, we want that things.
Okay, yeah, and this a littlepoise from this thing also from
(24:02):
the job, and also from thenumber third and number fourth
yeah, from the number fourth isvery big also because it's like
the entire life of the lady boyson LGBTQ.
We also want a families.
Yeah, we want to marry.
We live like the other peoplesand so we can do many things.
We can do adaptation, we can goto the school, we can go to do
(24:24):
everything in law Okay.
Yeah, because now we are off thelaw.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, Because sometimes we don't want to be in
law everything, but sometimesit's very important for us to do
something.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I remember you told me, like two or three episodes
ago, that there is some changeabout that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now in Thailand we alreadyis like allow for not 100%, but
I think maybe 80%.
We need to do something.
So now it's like we win theworld.
We fight so many fucking yearfor this, like we want to get a
Married.
In Thailand we call somerototium.
Some roti is mean married, buttotium is means like you can do
(25:04):
like same same a man and lady doMarriage equality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sthing.
So this law we already win thenew government.
Yeah, yeah the new government.
We are supported law because ofthe young generation Politic
party.
Yeah, go cry.
Party we, we, we put this lawto the.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't want you to have problem with your
government.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah and also bad, bad, bad, bad, but it's a big
point, I need to talk alsojoking, you can talk whatever
you want.
Okay, yeah, for me I don't careand also like, yeah, so we win
this law, but not 100%.
We need to wait a little thingsto let them, because I very
slow percent.
(25:50):
Right, we want something fast.
But yeah, we know that inThailand is slow percent, but
yeah, we're gonna get this, thislaw.
So very soon we can marry, theLGBTQ can marry.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
You have already some husband in your eyes that I
need to fight as fast aspossible.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, maybe I cannot marry because I have a hundred
husband you need to convert toMuslim, then if you be, Muslim,
you can marry many people.
Maybe only four, I think, butfor me I want a hundred or a
thousand, there is no wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Maybe you need to make a new religion, ladder
religion right how religion youcan have a thousand husband I
want to ask you.
I read two days ago, oh, threedays ago, I don't remember About
that.
Now it's have many shop thattell the cell ganja in Thailand,
everywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Before that thing sorry.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm sorry for internal.
I want to finish the things.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, before this thing I have a big topic, or so
it's like before before thenight later.
Yeah yeah, before the gunshot.
Yeah, I want to talk aboutthese things, like like last
week.
Yeah we have a big, big news inThailand.
Okay, like one celebrity, lgbt,one lady boy celebrity.
She name is I used to tell youbefore she name it boy Tisha dad
(27:09):
.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, she is yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, she very nice girl, she is very beautiful and
she wins the Miss.
Our Miss Tiffany.
Okay, yeah, miss Tiffany is thebeauty pageant for for lady
boys.
And for the transgender justtie yeah, in Thailand just for
no.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, not only in time, it's all over the world.
Also are the worst as well.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But we do in Thailand every year.
So she win and she verybeautiful, okay, and she become
a movie star, she become likeher.
But but one thing that I loveabout this lady, I call her lady
.
Yeah, yeah because she do.
Everything is very, very good.
She put herself in very goodposition and she she not do
(27:58):
something very crazy, she keepcool, okay, all the time.
So what the big is like a rolemodels, yeah, and everyone love
her and she very successful inher career also.
And, yeah, she's, she verylucky love.
You're very fucking rich also,but she don't like to use the
brand name.
Nowadays she she become like onthe top of the list already and
(28:22):
she have a lot of brand namethings, yeah.
But now she said this is notlike her, she wears just normal.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
She don't want to show.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, she don't want to show off.
She thinks, like some people is, do's about a brand name just
for show off.
Yeah, yeah some people is verypoor, but we want to use the bad
name.
We want to buy a lot of brandname to show off, but she, she
is like a more level than that.
No she don't want any brandname and she lucky love with her
boyfriend.
She is like a.
(28:50):
They used to meet each otherwhen they're young, in the
school.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh, they go to school .
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, he older than her, but now they they become
like a lovely couples, and thisboy, this man, is a business man
.
Mm-hmm is very, very big powerman in Phuket.
He success because of Becauseof his surname is very well know
.
Okay and they know in Phuketthis surname is Hong Hong Yoke.
(29:16):
I think this mafia or just no,no he not he, not a mafia red
like he, he, he have how to sayin in.
Thailand money and his family alot of money, very rich and very
like a very good, good surnamelike I don't know what in
English?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, I collect about the things that the owner so
many, many years from grandma,from dad from yeah they know,
everyone know this surname okayand everyone is very accepting
in this surname, mm-hmm, it'skind of like a very powerful but
a good one, yeah, a good one,not a bad one, yeah.
But but when she married withthis man, yeah, she become like
(29:58):
a talk of the town and everyoneto say a lot of new about these
things and we are yeah me alsoReally really happy with her.
Mm-hmm, really like acongratulations to her to have a
good life.
But last week's she do somethings to support another miss,
tiffany.
(30:18):
She name is film.
Okay, yeah, she is lovely.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Also very funny.
She also tie.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But she is like the younger.
Then you know, like a beautypageant, have neck duration, and
she is a younger and, and thisboy, this Shada, she support a
film.
She support film.
Yeah, I think it's lovely,lovely ladies, oh also, but we,
they're all like LGBTQ, right.
No lady boys and then shetransferred the money To film.
(30:48):
Boy transfer this money to film, okay, but the things like at
the point on the social media,like the, the I think the
subject is like they want todon't the people to know that
our lady boy is support eachother.
It's really very good.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Normally it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
We, we do, but we just want to show to show.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
We support each other like that is a good community.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, okay, and when the new is released, but they
have another public behindanother public, another topic
come up a big topic because Boyhave, like her name is three,
shada, right, boy T Shada, okay,yeah, but the bank put the
beginning of the name like Koon.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You know Koon in Thailand, right sir?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, nice.
Not not not, not, not, reallynot.
Koon is not sir or mister.
Koon is just like a former wordto give like a good owner to
the other people, for example,koon Mike.
So Koon Mike and also Koon Lada.
This is very honor.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah very honor so it doesn't mean, like you are men
or ladies.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, so we put this word for for more honor to the
people like Koon.
Okay but there the sleep, yeah,the Transfer sleep from the
banks.
It show up, koon boy T Shadaand transfer the money to Nai.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Nai.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, nai Kan Yarat or something like that.
I cannot remember her name.
Kan Yarat or something likethat.
Yeah, she have a lady names,but Nai is Mr.
Oh, but Kunpoiti Shadda,transfer the money to Mr.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So because she famous , they not touch they say Kun
but for someone not so famousthey not care.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
They say just Mr, she famous and she rich and she
married with someone powerful.
Yeah, so Mimi Tao.
Mimi Tao is very famous ladyboy as well.
She is big role model.
She is a model in anothercountry, but she is Thai, so she
run, she works so hard untilshe get like successful in her
(33:10):
career.
She have so many drama, so manythings.
Which bank is that?
She name is Mimi Tao.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Which bank did?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
this Maybe we not say .
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, I know, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, acp bank, okay, yeah.
So Mimi Tao, she is a model andI like her also because she is
a lady boy right, she is gay orlady boy or something like that.
She used to be a monk beforeand she is lovely and then she
want to be a model but she have,like, a very unique face and
everyone she is bram to her,like, ah, your face is ugly,
(33:45):
your face is not beautiful,something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
What's her name?
She?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
want to be Mimi Tao.
Yeah she is very famous model.
I like her so much.
One of my role models, mimi, orMimi, mimi, mimi, mimi, m-i-m-i
.
Mimi Tao, mimi T-A-L.
T-o-t-l.
(34:08):
Mimi Tao.
This one, no, not this one, no,that's one, mimi Tao.
This is all I found.
You can say like Mimi Tao,thailand.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Mimi Tao, mimi Tao.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Model or something like that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh, okay, this one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yes.
Okay, yeah, you see she havebeautiful, unique face.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, she have a very big shape.
She very famous.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, but she find so hard for her career.
She go to Singapore without anymoney in her bag.
She have like very small moneyand she live in the gas station.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now she is living in Singapore.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No, no, I think she not stay in any other country
like too much, because she is amodel.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Oh, she is not from there.
Sometimes she goes around, yeah, sometimes she come to Thailand
.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Now I think she is in Thailand, yeah and yeah.
She find so hard for her career.
Then she go to Singapore to belike a model agency.
She try to find a job.
She go to a lot of casting.
She said like she used to sleepin the gas station Drink a
bottle of water from the sink.
(35:24):
From the sink because she don'thave the money left.
But she said she cannot go back.
Yeah, same same story.
When I come to the bank inBangkok I said I have no money.
I eat like a very small foodbecause I don't have money.
But I told myself I cannot goback.
Yeah, so I like her so much.
But now she very successful inher career and then she come out
(35:46):
to 2 days about it.
She said she don't hate boydigital, she love her and she
don't have any agreement of film.
Film also, she love both.
But the point is why boydigital, boy digital, get cool
(36:06):
boy digital and why film get Mryeah.
So we want the bank to come outto say why, what the fuck?
Why?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think it's not the problem with the bank.
Yeah, I think it's the problemwith the government.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I think the government need to accept from
the bank.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The bank first.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Why, if the government accept and let you
change your sex in your ID, no,but the bank, if you want, if
you decide to call the peoplelike us, like KUN, it needs to
be all the same, kun foreveryone.
Kun for everyone, ok, kun forlike not just for the rich and
(36:49):
powerful.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe it doesn't mean that youcan put KUN for the lady or KUN
for a man, but also KUN for forthe lady.
Boy is also not Mr.
Yeah, you understand.
Yeah, yeah, we know, we are Mr,we know, but please respect us.
Yeah, yeah, please respect andwhy we are the same lady boy.
(37:11):
We say why another person isKUN, why another person is Mr,
we want the same.
And then and it's become a bigtopic of the of the country.
So it's like and boy is verysad.
She was sad and she said like,ok, she's going to call the
banks.
And what happened?
Because sometimes she's verybusy, she goes to the bank, open
(37:31):
the bank account and then theyput this thing and the bank come
out to say oh, we are reallysorry, we really apologize for
this, it's about their staffmistakes.
But we know it's not the staffmistakes.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
It's the bank policy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, it's the bank policy, but also and with these
things, yeah, we talked a lotand we want, like the bank, to
put the same, like KUN, kun, kun, for every lady boy.
Same same, not just only forsomeone that have big power,
someone the superstar, yeah, forsomeone like a very well know,
(38:06):
respect everyone.
Yeah, respect everyone.
And also it's like the politicparty, my politic party.
I can say my because I love it.
And I support them so much, likethe orange one and yeah.
So the Kau Kai politic party,the young generation politic
(38:26):
party, we try we talked aboutthis and we put like a week we
write the laws to send to thepolitic party in like a Supreme
Court or something like that.
Yeah, and we want to changeabout the laws, about the names
of like a I don't know whatEnglish call, like a Mr, mrs,
something like that In front ofthe names like.
(38:49):
We want to change this.
We want the LGBTQ In first.
We win about the marriage right.
And the second thing about thisthing we want to change about
the in front of the names.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, so if I want a lady, I can change.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yes, we want this, but the Supreme Court doesn't
allow us not yet.
Not, no, not, not them, not yet, but no way Now.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
But maybe few.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because right now it's like avery important to stay
optimistic.
You know, even someone now sayno, yeah, anything change over
time.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we think like next time,like next four year maybe we not
win this time, but next fouryear we want to change this.
Okay, yeah, I really hope so.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I hope so Because I think this makes a lot of
uncomfortable moment for people.
And then the government comeout, for example, I think, if
you want to travel, let's saynow you want to travel to Israel
, just for example.
But if they buy ticket for you,I think the ticket have to say
Mr yeah, but you know it's likemany country already change yeah
.
Yeah, and also, I can't change,I can't do, you can change.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's really good and also it's like the other
politic party we call put tieright that they're cheating on
us like before.
They are the same team, wedon't want.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
We don't want problem with the Thai government.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
So this thing, so these things, like before, they
said they support us, but whenthe law come in, they not
support.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They lie, they want to vote for them.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
They just says like oh, it doesn't mean that we
don't support.
We really support.
But they have so many small law, small letter down there.
We need to change a little bit.
We need time, but we know youare liared.
So yeah, after next four yearswe will change these things.
I understand.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I want to go back to what I started before.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, yeah, five by the week, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
So I read now if someone going to Thailand right
now, they will see many, many,many stores that sell marijuana,
gunja, and you can smoke therein.
It's legal.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
But I read that until the end of this year they
change back.
The law Cannot change back.
Two days ago they say they willchange back the law because
they do a mistake.
This law for allow gunja to belegal was a mistake for them.
Because they change thegovernment in the middle and
they cannot change back.
They say until the end of thisyear they they are changing that
(41:28):
back.
This is what I read.
I want to know if you heardabout that.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Many people will lose money.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, because, like our Eve, you already know in
first step that this is gonna bethe big problem, but you still
allow this law to appear.
Now you see when the thingslike we know, like when you use
the laws, and then I don't wantto talk shit about my government
and also say, yeah, as you told, like you don't want to have
(41:56):
the problem with this thing.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I don't think you can do podcast when you be in
Mackey house, so this is f**k upand also cause.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I cannot say whatever I want you to say.
So because we know like the bigman in this f**king government
is like half a.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Pryute.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Not Pryute the others .
Yeah, then they will go aboutthe.
They say like, oh, we allowthis law.
We use this law because we knowlike Gancha or the weed is like
very good for medication.
They said they allow formedication but they have a big
gap on the law that if theyallow, people will sell, selling
(42:37):
on the street.
They know because before thelaw is come out, we have many
people come out to say no, wenot support.
No, we not support, mostly Thaipeople.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I don't support also, by the way.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, we not support, we not support.
Many people come out to say butthey not listen because they
have the power and they get abig money from these things.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
And now they want to go back.
I don't think it's gonna happen, because many people is already
create the business already andthey don't want to lose the
money yeah.
But not just only the businesspeople, this thing, but a big,
big, big business people behindthe government as well.
They get a big benefit and theydon't want to change this law.
(43:23):
So I think it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
We will have to follow that.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But nowadays they have another crazy law.
You know, yaba.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Sadly, I know, yaba.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yes, yeah, you know, yaba, right?
I don't know what in Englishcalled.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yaba.
This is a methamphetamine mixedwith caffeine.
It's a very bad drug.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
One second I want to explain.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's a very bad drug that making a lot of problems in
Thailand and all of SoutheastAsia.
It's one of the worst drugsthat is on the earth and it's
very cheap to make and they sellit very cheap and it ruins many
lives.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
You know, in Thailand we have a lot of problems about
this thing For long term, long,long term.
Every year, every day, we havethe problem with this thing and
you know what the fucking crazything that happen in Thailand.
Now I know you don't want tohave the fighting with the
government, but yeah, thegovernment is allow that if you
(44:19):
have 5 Yaba in your back, younot be a seller Before.
If you have 5, like maybe 5 ormaybe 1, some people like they
do the selling that right.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
So let me explain, let me understand If I have 4
Yaba is okay, police, not takeme yes 5 Up to 5.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
If I have 6 this problem 6 the problems.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So I can sell 5 every time, yeah but the government
that says they change this lawbecause nowadays they have too
many people in the prison.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, in the prison system.
The prison system is verytrouble people.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Some people is not selling, some people just taking
.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Taking, yes, but how do you know?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
who's selling.
And now they allow for 5 if youhave 5 and everyone can say no,
so they can sell 5 every time.
Yeah, everyone can sell, likeand one funny thing is a man who
in the prison, some reporterinterview him Like, ask a seller
, how do you think?
How do you think about this lawI'm very happy with this law
(45:27):
and what the fuck with thegovernment doing this thing.
What they thinking Because,like, if I have 5, I can say I'm
just take it, I didn't sell it,and I now a day I pack
5,5,5,5,5,5,5 for sale.
This is one of the fuckingthing that happen in my country
right now.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
So let me say something about that.
Yeah, okay, I talk about mycountry for a second.
In my country they used to be abig heroine problem.
Many people used heroine beforein my country and in order to
make that problem stop, ifpeople want, they can stop take
heroine and they can go to thegovernment and the government
(46:09):
give them substance.
It's called Adolan.
You can take this and then youdon't this same heroine.
Okay, now you feel you don'tneed heroine.
I see.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Like a treatment?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, it's like a treatment, but basically you are
still addicted.
Now you are addicted to Adolanand not for this.
So I understand why they wantto have people that already
addicted to Yaba that if I have2 Yaba or 3 Yaba I can smoke, no
one make problem for me.
But the problem is that I don'tthink they should allow the
(46:47):
Yaba itself, because this meanpeople will still bring Yaba and
make Yaba inside Thailand andwill sell.
I think the better way to dothat is give something else that
the government produce.
For example, let's say I'maddicted to Yaba.
I come to the government saylisten, I don't want to be
addicted to Yaba anymore.
Can you give me something else?
I take from you you tell me,let's call it smoke just for
(47:10):
name.
Okay, can you give me 3 smokes,for I not feel that bad when I
not have Yaba.
And then people that still haveYaba it's a problem and they
cannot sell, but we have asolution from the people that
already addicted.
So I think this is a very bigproblem and I don't understand
why what they were thinking.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
The same thing with Kansha.
The thing is for medication.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yaba is not for medication.
Methamphetamine is one of theworst drugs on earth.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I mean it look like the same.
They have like a stupid reason.
Yeah, a stupid reason.
It's like oh, this is from amedication, and you see now they
have a lot of students smokingKansha in the school.
Also after finish school.
So you cannot control thatBecause, like you already do,
like this thing and also likewhen people selling Kansha, they
(48:07):
said, like the government says,oh to selling Kansha is not
good, but how can you do?
Because they have a big gap ofthe law and you already know
that in first.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, but I don't think we can compare Yaba to
Gansha.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I think it's all like attic.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yes but I not see many people go crazy from Gansha
, same they go crazy from Yaba.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, but also crazy, and also some is crazy.
Cannot say no one.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I don't say no one, I say I have never seen.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Whatever you never seen it doesn't mean that they
don't get it.
I used to use a lot of Gansha,a lot of hash.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
I used to use many drugs.
The only reason I stopped usingthat drugs is because it's
making me lazy.
I don't like to feel lazy whenI used to smoke.
I just want to stay home, smoke, play game, watch movie.
I don't care anything else.
So this was the problem for me.
But about Gansha, I'm in themiddle.
(49:08):
But about something likemethamphetamine or heroin,
that's crazy.
Smoke crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
And yeah, the sad thing is like the stupid reason
is come out and then, like thevery sad thing is, like the
people like us, like the Thaipeople or some other people,
normal people Like us, eventhough we're not supported but
we cannot do anything, we justcome out to say no, no, no.
But they not listen Becausethey have the power to do this
(49:33):
thing.
Same same what we do withGansha.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
One of the reasons we are making this podcast is
because we want the world to goout.
So we are calling now to thepeople.
If someone listen to us I don'tknow, but maybe someone in the
Thai government listen to usPlease revoke this law.
It's a bad law.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Very bad.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Don't do that.
You are hurting people morethan you are helping them.
There are other ways to fixthese problems.
Try to look on other modelsthat was created in different
countries like Canada, us,israel and many other western
countries.
They have better system totreatment than giving a proof to
using the Yaba.
It's a wrong move you are doingso.
(50:17):
Please consider that.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Very sad.
And you can read more when youcan go to Google and you can
read more about these things.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I really want to know what we need.
It's really sad, so sadly.
On this sad note, we have tofinish this episode.
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Nada, have something to say toour listeners.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Thank you for listening our podcast.
I hope you support us and, yeah, I still want a bigger and
bigger mic.
Yeah, yeah, if you can likedraw a little tip for us, it's
gonna be very good motivationfor us to create about a very
good.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
This not mean we stop do, but it will make us do
better content.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, a better if we have a better equipment and,
yeah, it's gonna be like, makeme feel, like, hey, I feel more
motivation and more inspirationfor our podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
And also she need her boobs done, so come on.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, so come on now.
Maybe I can get one, but I wantto.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Not just only one.
And again, thank you, jonathan,for helping us.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Thank you, joe.
We really appreciate that.
See you on bed.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Did he contact you already?
Really, I don't think so, but Iwill check the email If you
listen this.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
You can contact me as fast as possible because I want
to tell you let's live with me,free, back fast.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, and also now.
Maybe you can marry with her.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I have condom and also I have gel, so don't worry
about this thing.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I'm ready.
Thank you, lada.
It was a great episode, asusual, and we will see you next
week.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
See you, bye, bye.
Hello everyone, welcome to my Thai Y Postcache.
And now I don't have any Ys,and also the Mike is not with us
.
He's a lovely Y as well.
I'm still doing this without mylovely, lovely Ys.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
But, as you hear, lada is here.
Hello, lada, how are you?
Hi, I'm good.
Good.
I want to continue where westopped last episode because I
think we had very very very goodconversation.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
That's a lot of big topic.
Come back.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
So you started to say now two rules you want to
change.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, two rules and a lot of things that I repeat.
First, first things I want inthe family right, as I told you,
start with the family, accept,but not just only accept,
support, support and give themcheerful or whatever that they
can do.
And also in the school yeah, Iwant the school to support and
(00:59):
accept things about this thingalso, like if they want, if they
get the student you have, like,a lot of students that are
LGBTQ you should support andopen mine.
Not just only open mine, but Imean in the costume or in the
class or whatever this thingalso.
And then the third step, thenumber third, when you grow up
(01:20):
and finish the school, when yougo to apply the job, Okay.
I want all the company to acceptabout gender as well, not just
only put on the paper a man,females, a male or females, but
you need to have the otherchoice, like others, or LGBTQ, I
would just say we are hiring.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, we are hiring.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I was like when you post on the social media that
you want the new stuff, maybeyou can say like, because right
now they put just like man andlady, we want the staff, but man
this ish, lady this ish, butyou know, post like whatever
about the LGBTQ, whatever ladyboys or what else, okay, yeah.
(02:01):
So sometimes we call like hey,we are lady boys, can we, can,
we, can we apply this job?
And some mostly they say no, wewant ladies.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Okay, yeah.
So why?
Why can I ask why they say noLike, do you have?
They have reason.
Or just because they don't likelady boys?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think some is like that, some, some people that
don't like lady boys, but notnot surely that I think some.
The other point is like thething maybe I don't know how to
explain because I'm not thatpoint.
Yeah Of course I'm the people,I'm the lady boy who want them
(02:43):
to open my for us, but I don'tknow what's the owner thinking.
I want to see and I want toknow also what they're thinking.
Okay, why just only men?
Or maybe sometimes like onlysome job, and I understand, like
security, yeah, I want a man.
Okay, I understand.
Yeah, and the other jobs, likethe other job the lady can do?
(03:04):
Why, why lady boy cannot do?
Okay, why transgender cannot do?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, so this law, for example, in most of Western
countries there is law for that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That say you cannot exclude someone from work
because of their identity.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, not just only their sexual.
Maybe lady boy can work better,but sometimes, like it doesn't
mean that all lady boy can workeverything better, up to skill.
But I mean say up to skill,lady can do, a man can do, and
why lady boy can do yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Some, some people let's.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I want to talk about like something in the middle,
like cooking.
Yeah, everyone can do cookingif they have the skill for that.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, For example.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I cannot cook anything, even omelet I burn.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, I cannot cook, but but yeah, I know people, for
example my wife.
She never worked before aboutcooking, but right now she have
the skills for that we can learn.
No, she like she have the touch.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, you know what I ?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
mean, maybe she born with it, she good about cooking.
Yeah, she never knew that aboutherself, but she's good about
that.
So I think, for jobs likecooking and, for my opinion, all
jobs, for my opinion, evensecurity, but I don't want to
touch that right now, but yeah.
I think, all jobs need to opento anyone, because when let's
say I'm hiring, I'm hiring byskills.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So if I think someone is right for the job that I
hired for, okay, let's, let's go, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And also it's like, not like.
Oh, another thing that I want.
I mean this one is not out fromtheir LGBTQ.
I mean, when you go to applythe jobs and when you want a new
stuff, I want the owner or thecompany to accept about their
agenda as well.
And also, the skill doesn'tmean say what gender they are.
(04:54):
And also another thing is theeducation.
It doesn't mean that you havemajor degree and you work good.
No, Some people that have highschool degree work better.
Can I explain something?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
about that.
There is an interesting pointabout what you are saying right
now.
Yeah, normally when people havethe major degree, like the BA,
and the.
Ma and the doctorate orwhatever.
It's mean two things.
First, it's mean that there aregood learners.
Yeah, you know they can learnsomething quickly, or if it's
(05:31):
something that is complicatedthey are able to learn.
And the second?
The second thing is the subjectthey learn.
Let's say I learned, forexample, chemistry right, and we
are both applying for achemistry job to be a chemist.
I think I need to be a chemistif you don't have this degree
right?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
If you never learn about chemistry.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
How can you be a chemist?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I understand about that things, but most of the job
that we are doing now I can saymaybe in Thailand or maybe in
another country also, when thekid go to the school and also go
to the university, and when thegraduate, what they learn and
then they are looking for thejob that they want to go there,
(06:18):
for example, they learn thechemical, but they have no job
because we don't want a 1000chemical, they don't want a
10,000 chemical.
Notes I want used in day 1, forexample, it's an arrangement to
be a chemist is called.
They not get the job that theylearn.
Okay, yeah.
And also my point is like our,when we go to apply the job and
(06:41):
when we go to the company, Iwant the company to open mind to
the high school degree or eventhrough the list there For them.
It's like I think everythingcan learn.
For example, we cannot do goodin cooking, but we learn and
then we become a chef Okay, butcooking is one thing yeah, I
want to do my finances Mm-hmm,everything.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Let's say I have big company and I need someone to
control my money.
I will not take someone thatdon't have experience in that,
that thing you can take.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I understand on that point I mean the other side, but
if you want a doctor, so I'msure it's like you don't want
like a teacher, or you don'twant, like a farmer, to become a
doctor like that I understand.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
If you go to school.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Up to them also Because like, yeah, if the job
like that, I totally understand,but I mean another.
So can you give me example?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
for a job, for you understand what you mean.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For example, like when you go to, for example,
myself.
Okay, yeah, okay For myself.
That's always the best examples, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Always yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Because that's your best story.
So I have only high schooldegree.
Okay, people don't think that Ican speak English.
Okay, because I have only highschool degree and mostly Thai
people we don't speak English.
Well, but I speak English.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You have a podcast?
Come on yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I can speak English.
Yeah, and also it's like when Iwork in the shopping mall, yeah
, in the shopping mall.
So I have one lady.
She named Elisa.
I love her so much.
They say my mommy, so she foundme.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
She older than you, yeah, she older than me.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
She is my maybe third mommy, yeah, so she found me in
the shopping mall and I'mselling about the robot to
cleaning the house and I canspeak English, so we have
talking and conversation.
She is a fucking lovely wife.
She buy this machine to herhusband Because when she go to
work and the general manager inthe hotel so she put most of the
(08:47):
time in the hotel.
Okay, yeah, so she is herhusband clean the house and take
care of the baby.
And she said, oh, my husbandworks so hard, I want to do
something for him.
So she buy a robot From you,yeah, for me.
And then she like me because Ican speak English.
She said, wow, are you Thai?
(09:09):
And then, wow, how can youspeak English very well?
Then she say, very impressiveabout me.
Then she leave me about thebusiness card and I'm general
manager of this hotel and I wantyou to go to work with me if
you interesting, yeah, inBangkok.
But I feel like, hey, all I know, like mostly things that I know
(09:35):
, if you want to work in thehotel industry, you need to
learn about the hotel industry.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And the tourists.
Yes, bachelor degree.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Not only, not just only like a little thing, but
you need to learn and finishabout the bachelor degree about
the hotel and business major.
Okay, you understand, yeah, andI feel like, oh, I don't have
any experience about that thingsthan I never work in the hotel
and I never learns about thisthing.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Okay, yeah, I'm just a salesman.
But as a salesman you haveexperience in two things yeah,
sales and customer service.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, and so with mine, yeah.
So she see the service in meand she said, oh, maybe the
service I can use in the hotelas well.
So she hired me.
But after few months, yeah, Icontact her because in first
thing, like oh, I'm not deservethis job because I didn't learn
and I know, if you want this jobyou need to finish about the
(10:31):
university, about the businessand the hotel.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And the tourist things also for get the job Okay
, and I know it's that and it'sreal.
Yeah, but when I go to work inthe hotel, I work very well.
I can do everything very well.
I learned lots of things.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And then I can do very well.
She says like you work, likemore, better than the people who
created these things, becausesometimes you learn a lot from
the paper.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
You come lazy.
You think, oh, I alreadylearned that, why I need to work
hard.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It doesn't matter like you have a bachelor degree
or major degree, you can workwell.
Some people is lazy, somepeople is not lazy, but I
learned a lot.
I know.
I know everything.
I don't want to learn about it.
I know everything.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Too much confidence.
I know what mindset you mean.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, they don't want to learn more because the
things that you learn from thebook it difference that you
learn from the new experience.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
It's the opposite sometimes.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yes, you see now we learn a lot from the school
Chemical we learn about.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Financial we learn about all the things Of course.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Physics, everything.
But what do you use in thattime?
Nowadays do you do physicsthings.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
No, but physics, computer science, really help
when they teach that in highschool.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
computers is very important Computer language,
yeah, english.
Computer is the mostuncalculated, yeah, like
mathematics.
Yeah, sometimes we need to use,but not too much like
mathematics, like 3-gon orsomething like brism or
something that fucking crazyCalculus or something that
fucking crazy.
We never use in real life, youunderstand.
So I want to share this thingalso when you go to school.
(12:26):
What do you teach to thestudent?
Okay, some teachers said oh,because we have the rule like
this number one, two, three,four, five.
One subject, two subjects,three subjects, four subjects
like science, mathematics,english and something like that.
But sometimes we learn too muchthings.
But the thing is we use justonly two, three things that we
(12:47):
can use in the real life.
So another thing is that welose our time.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So what would let's say now?
You're the minister ofeducation in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What are you changing ?
Computer, english and maybefinancial, okay, so what are you
changing?
And also, it's about theoccupation Occupation.
Yeah occupation, about theskill that, like, you can ask
like, oh, what do you want to be?
What, like, maybe you want tobe a technician, maybe you want
(13:18):
to be a chef, maybe you want tobe the sting?
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I don't think.
At 18 I knew what I want to be.
Even at 18 I was too young todecide or to dream what I want
to be.
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, but you can shoot whatever you want to learn
.
Yes, yeah, whatever that youwant to learn and I think now
today is like I want the kid tonot learn a lot from the paper,
but learn from the experience.
That's a good.
Yeah, because nowadays we like,for example, five hours that we
learn in the skill in the class.
(13:51):
Yeah, I want like, maybe it'slike we learn just only three
hours and two hours.
We learn like to practice thethings that in real Like maybe
fixing something in your houseyes, and also English, not just
only grammar, not just only likedictionary or something like
that, because your head gonnastick with that.
And the big things aboutThailand that we want to share
(14:12):
is about the English Englishteacher and English study.
We pushed a lot of things togive the kids to learn about the
work at Bali, about the grammaryeah, about the grammar but
they're not teach the kid.
The kid know the work at Bali,the kid know the grammar, but
they don't know how to speak,larry, yeah.
(14:33):
And they don't know how to speak, they don't know how to listen,
they don't know how to write.
I want to put this thing more,okay, yeah, more, more than a
letter.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So you say basically that if you be the minister of
education, you cut some subjects.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, I would cut some subjects that we don't want
this.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Or chemistry.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, or something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And more you will put more time in English.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Computer science general skills and also give the
kid to shoot like whatever theywant to learn.
Support them.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, support them and give them a thumbs.
So you think that?
Speaker 2 (15:09):
there is a big problem with the education
system right now in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
A big, a big, big, big, big big even through the
teacher.
I have many teacher friends.
My friend become a teacher.
I think more than 10 people,and they talk the same.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Sometimes they, sometimes they want to teach the
kid in this way, but the paperand the law control them.
You need to teach like this One, two, three, four, five.
Also, let me tell you something, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't know if you know that, but in my country and
I know also in many Westerncountries not all of them,
because some Western countrieshave very good education, but in
many countries the teachersteach just in order for you to
get good grade, Because if theschool show that the 90% of our
(16:01):
children got good grade, theschool get more money.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Sometimes it get good grade by give, like a teacher,
a bamboo or some mushroom, orsometimes like a, a min or
something like that, to get agood grade as well.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yes, but I mean not small, small exams, I mean the
national exams that they testeveryone, sorry.
So what they do basically isthey spend most of the time
teaching just to pass an exam.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And after that you can forget.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
You don't, you don't need to use that anymore, and
this is a big problem in theeducation system in most of the
world.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
They are teaching just to pass a test.
They are not teaching yousomething that is useful, as you
said.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And also, like the teacher, have a lot of things to
do.
Like my friend says.
Oh, most of the time I do aboutthe report.
I go to meeting, I go to likeorganization, I go to this
province for meeting, I go tothat thing, that thing, that
thing, and then I come back andhave a thousand of report that I
need to write, I read, totyping.
I need to do this thing.
And also the teacher also havethe test.
(17:05):
Like some organization, come tosee you all, you have a good
test or not a good test, and ifyou not have a good test, you're
not passed.
You cannot be a teacher.
You can be like a fire or yoube like you lose the test In
order to be a teacher.
You know, yeah, if it was theperfect world.
So sometimes they lose the mind, they focus on the test If it
was the perfect world.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I would choose teachers by how they are good at
teaching and how they cancommunicate with the children,
like, for example.
I don't think I can be a goodteacher, but I know that my
brother he very good atexplaining and he's very patient
and he gives his time for otherpeople in order they can learn
and understand something, somaybe he's more suitable to be a
(17:50):
teacher than me, and also now,today, I think that the kids can
learn from the internet as well.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
The internet has two sides, sometimes like porn and
education, Porn and game yeahsometimes porn and game.
I understand the things, but theother side, they learn a lot
from the internet, from YouTubeor whatever.
They want to learn.
How many things in the internetyou can learn a lot, not just
only in the school.
Sometimes a lot of things canlearn outside of the school,
(18:17):
yeah, so so I think that's theway we have a lot of things to
learn out of the school.
Yeah, many things you can learnsurround yourself, and
sometimes they don't have thelesson in the school to learn.
You need to learn in real life.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know, when my wife Sunari, when she wanted to
learn how to cook something, shealways go to her teacher.
You know what is her teacher?
Google and YouTube.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
This is her teacher.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the teacheris all around and also with the
knowledge you're all aroundyourself.
Everything can be your teacher,Even to the bad people.
They do a bad thing to you, butthey give you a lesson.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, that's true, you can learn from experience.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, you can learn from experience and I think
nowadays to learn from theexperience our outside of the
books and also outside of thebox, out of the box as well.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's not.
Everyone know how to do that.
So, many people are very insidethe box.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, sometimes, like the education in Thailand, we
are in the box, yeah, and we canalso get out from the box.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Most of the countries are inside the box and if
someone try to get out of thebox, they put them back inside.
Yeah, no no, no, don't ask thisquestion.
We don't talk about thisquestion.
Ask something else.
Okay, so this was your.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So the number, 3 is about the job, and the job is
come by the education.
Yeah, yeah.
And also you can see it's likewhen you see the lady boy and
the trans woman where the job,the dick, you can find them.
Mostly it's only like a 3Dsalon.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, they can't mess with something yeah, a salon,
nail salon, atri-sy, aboutatri-sy, like you know, like a
makeup artist, oh yeah, a makeupartist, a costume, yeah, and
like, and also sometimes you cansee it's like a mostly cover
ratio.
Okay, yeah, cover ratio andthis kind of stuff.
(20:13):
But why?
Why we cannot be a social, whywe cannot be a teacher, why we
cannot be a lot of jobs that wecan't stand with a man and
ladies.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah.
So in my experience, when I goto apply the jobs, like I
already know, like I'm lady boy,maybe they can say, okay, we
can contact you later, but Iknow they're not gonna call me.
Yeah, because I can see thisthing.
So I think I want the word, notjust only in Thailand.
I want the word to open my forLGBTQ.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Most of the countries .
Yeah, most of the countries.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, maybe they can say yeah, they're open.
Same same my country inThailand.
Oh, we really open for LGBTQ.
We already open for lady boybut when we apply the job,
they're not really open.
Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, countries like America.
This I know for fact.
Okay, let's say, you apply forjob, mm-hmm, you have a master
degree, you are a lady boy, butI have master degree in finance
and I apply job for finance.
If I can learn that they hiresomeone that don't have master
degree, have just bachelordegree, yeah, just because he's
(21:21):
not a transgender, I can suethem.
So many companies just say,okay, okay, we not touch this.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, if you want to walk here come on, come walk
here, yeah, so, but nowadays Ican see it's a little bit better
, but not really better, yeah,but it's a little bit better.
And also the first things, likefor families, families, I mean,
(21:51):
first we start from the family,yeah, and I want to end up with
the family, okay.
So first family and the secondis the school and the third is
about the job, yeah, and thefinal things we come back from
the families LGBTQ families orlady boy families.
We talked about the law, that'sabout the marriage.
(22:12):
About people's marriage same sexyeah, same sex marriage.
And it's not just only marriage.
It's also about a lot of lawafter marriage About your wheels
, about your kid, about youradaptation Okay, about the house
, about like when, for example,when you go to the hospital, and
if you are LGBTQ couples, likelady boys and boys, or like a
(22:37):
lesbian, but you're married, ormaybe you're a couple but you
cannot have like the samesurnames After marriage can be
the same surname, right In law.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
For example, I married with this man and I
changed my surname to be himyeah, so when we go to the
hospital you can do whatever ifyou are a wife and husband.
The wife can take care of herhusband.
The wife can sign all thepapers in the hospital.
But if you are LGBTQ, if youare, a lady, boys and.
Yeah, cannot.
(23:11):
Why Also the wheels?
Because of the law?
What?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
the law say Can you explain to me?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
The law says, like the law, allow for the people
that get married in law right Awife and husband, but LGBTQ
Cannot marry, even through.
We married but we not really100% of married in the law.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
We married in this thing.
You are married in the country,but you are not married by law.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yes, we want to get married in law, by law, for more
benefit.
Not just not benefit, but formore, like a man and a lady
getting yeah, just an equalityfor everyone.
Also the wheel, also adaptationof baby or everything.
Yeah, we want that things.
Okay, yeah, and this a littlepoise from this thing also from
(24:02):
the job, and also from thenumber third and number fourth
yeah, from the number fourth isvery big also because it's like
the entire life of the lady boyson LGBTQ.
We also want a families.
Yeah, we want to marry.
We live like the other peoplesand so we can do many things.
We can do adaptation, we can goto the school, we can go to do
(24:24):
everything in law Okay.
Yeah, because now we are off thelaw.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, Because sometimes we don't want to be in
law everything, but sometimesit's very important for us to do
something.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I remember you told me, like two or three episodes
ago, that there is some changeabout that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now in Thailand we alreadyis like allow for not 100%, but
I think maybe 80%.
We need to do something.
So now it's like we win theworld.
We fight so many fucking yearfor this, like we want to get a
Married.
In Thailand we call somerototium.
Some roti is mean married, buttotium is means like you can do
(25:04):
like same same a man and lady doMarriage equality.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sthing.
So this law we already win thenew government.
Yeah, yeah the new government.
We are supported law because ofthe young generation Politic
party.
Yeah, go cry.
Party we, we, we put this lawto the.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I don't want you to have problem with your
government.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah and also bad, bad, bad, bad, but it's a big
point, I need to talk alsojoking, you can talk whatever
you want.
Okay, yeah, for me I don't careand also like, yeah, so we win
this law, but not 100%.
We need to wait a little thingsto let them, because I very
slow percent.
(25:50):
Right, we want something fast.
But yeah, we know that inThailand is slow percent, but
yeah, we're gonna get this, thislaw.
So very soon we can marry, theLGBTQ can marry.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
You have already some husband in your eyes that I
need to fight as fast aspossible.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, maybe I cannot marry because I have a hundred
husband you need to convert toMuslim, then if you be, Muslim,
you can marry many people.
Maybe only four, I think, butfor me I want a hundred or a
thousand, there is no wrong.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Maybe you need to make a new religion, ladder
religion right how religion youcan have a thousand husband I
want to ask you.
I read two days ago, oh, threedays ago, I don't remember About
that.
Now it's have many shop thattell the cell ganja in Thailand,
everywhere.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Before that thing sorry.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm sorry for internal.
I want to finish the things.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah, before this thing I have a big topic, or so
it's like before before thenight later.
Yeah yeah, before the gunshot.
Yeah, I want to talk aboutthese things, like like last
week.
Yeah we have a big, big news inThailand.
Okay, like one celebrity, lgbt,one lady boy celebrity.
She name is I used to tell youbefore she name it boy Tisha dad
(27:09):
.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, she is yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, she very nice girl, she is very beautiful and
she wins the Miss.
Our Miss Tiffany.
Okay, yeah, miss Tiffany is thebeauty pageant for for lady
boys.
And for the transgender justtie yeah, in Thailand just for
no.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
No, not only in time, it's all over the world.
Also are the worst as well.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
But we do in Thailand every year.
So she win and she verybeautiful, okay, and she become
a movie star, she become likeher.
But but one thing that I loveabout this lady, I call her lady
.
Yeah, yeah because she do.
Everything is very, very good.
She put herself in very goodposition and she she not do
(27:58):
something very crazy, she keepcool, okay, all the time.
So what the big is like a rolemodels, yeah, and everyone love
her and she very successful inher career also.
And, yeah, she's, she verylucky love.
You're very fucking rich also,but she don't like to use the
brand name.
Nowadays she she become like onthe top of the list already and
(28:22):
she have a lot of brand namethings, yeah.
But now she said this is notlike her, she wears just normal.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
She don't want to show.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, she don't want to show off.
She thinks, like some people is, do's about a brand name just
for show off.
Yeah, yeah some people is verypoor, but we want to use the bad
name.
We want to buy a lot of brandname to show off, but she, she
is like a more level than that.
No she don't want any brandname and she lucky love with her
boyfriend.
She is like a.
(28:50):
They used to meet each otherwhen they're young, in the
school.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Oh, they go to school .
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, he older than her, but now they they become
like a lovely couples, and thisboy, this man, is a business man
.
Mm-hmm is very, very big powerman in Phuket.
He success because of Becauseof his surname is very well know
.
Okay and they know in Phuketthis surname is Hong Hong Yoke.
(29:16):
I think this mafia or just no,no he not he, not a mafia red
like he, he, he have how to sayin in.
Thailand money and his family alot of money, very rich and very
like a very good, good surnamelike I don't know what in
English?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I know what you mean.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, I collect about the things that the owner so
many, many years from grandma,from dad from yeah they know,
everyone know this surname okayand everyone is very accepting
in this surname, mm-hmm, it'skind of like a very powerful but
a good one, yeah, a good one,not a bad one, yeah.
But but when she married withthis man, yeah, she become like
(29:58):
a talk of the town and everyoneto say a lot of new about these
things and we are yeah me alsoReally really happy with her.
Mm-hmm, really like acongratulations to her to have a
good life.
But last week's she do somethings to support another miss,
tiffany.
(30:18):
She name is film.
Okay, yeah, she is lovely.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Also very funny.
She also tie.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
But she is like the younger.
Then you know, like a beautypageant, have neck duration, and
she is a younger and, and thisboy, this Shada, she support a
film.
She support film.
Yeah, I think it's lovely,lovely ladies, oh also, but we,
they're all like LGBTQ, right.
No lady boys and then shetransferred the money To film.
(30:48):
Boy transfer this money to film, okay, but the things like at
the point on the social media,like the, the I think the
subject is like they want todon't the people to know that
our lady boy is support eachother.
It's really very good.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Normally it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
We, we do, but we just want to show to show.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
We support each other like that is a good community.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, okay, and when the new is released, but they
have another public behindanother public, another topic
come up a big topic because Boyhave, like her name is three,
shada, right, boy T Shada, okay,yeah, but the bank put the
beginning of the name like Koon.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
You know Koon in Thailand, right sir?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, nice.
Not not not, not, not, reallynot.
Koon is not sir or mister.
Koon is just like a former wordto give like a good owner to
the other people, for example,koon Mike.
So Koon Mike and also Koon Lada.
This is very honor.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah very honor so it doesn't mean, like you are men
or ladies.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, so we put this word for for more honor to the
people like Koon.
Okay but there the sleep, yeah,the Transfer sleep from the
banks.
It show up, koon boy T Shadaand transfer the money to Nai.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Nai.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, nai Kan Yarat or something like that.
I cannot remember her name.
Kan Yarat or something likethat.
Yeah, she have a lady names,but Nai is Mr.
Oh, but Kunpoiti Shadda,transfer the money to Mr.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
So because she famous , they not touch they say Kun
but for someone not so famousthey not care.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
They say just Mr, she famous and she rich and she
married with someone powerful.
Yeah, so Mimi Tao.
Mimi Tao is very famous ladyboy as well.
She is big role model.
She is a model in anothercountry, but she is Thai, so she
run, she works so hard untilshe get like successful in her
(33:10):
career.
She have so many drama, so manythings.
Which bank is that?
She name is Mimi Tao.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Which bank did?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
this Maybe we not say .
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, I know, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, acp bank, okay, yeah.
So Mimi Tao, she is a model andI like her also because she is
a lady boy right, she is gay orlady boy or something like that.
She used to be a monk beforeand she is lovely and then she
want to be a model but she have,like, a very unique face and
everyone she is bram to her,like, ah, your face is ugly,
(33:45):
your face is not beautiful,something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
What's her name?
She?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
want to be Mimi Tao.
Yeah she is very famous model.
I like her so much.
One of my role models, mimi, orMimi, mimi, mimi, mimi, m-i-m-i
.
Mimi Tao, mimi T-A-L.
T-o-t-l.
(34:08):
Mimi Tao.
This one, no, not this one, no,that's one, mimi Tao.
This is all I found.
You can say like Mimi Tao,thailand.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Mimi Tao, mimi Tao.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Model or something like that.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh, okay, this one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yes.
Okay, yeah, you see she havebeautiful, unique face.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, she have a very big shape.
She very famous.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, but she find so hard for her career.
She go to Singapore without anymoney in her bag.
She have like very small moneyand she live in the gas station.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Now she is living in Singapore.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No, no, I think she not stay in any other country
like too much, because she is amodel.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Oh, she is not from there.
Sometimes she goes around, yeah, sometimes she come to Thailand
.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Now I think she is in Thailand, yeah and yeah.
She find so hard for her career.
Then she go to Singapore to belike a model agency.
She try to find a job.
She go to a lot of casting.
She said like she used to sleepin the gas station Drink a
bottle of water from the sink.
(35:24):
From the sink because she don'thave the money left.
But she said she cannot go back.
Yeah, same same story.
When I come to the bank inBangkok I said I have no money.
I eat like a very small foodbecause I don't have money.
But I told myself I cannot goback.
Yeah, so I like her so much.
But now she very successful inher career and then she come out
(35:46):
to 2 days about it.
She said she don't hate boydigital, she love her and she
don't have any agreement of film.
Film also, she love both.
But the point is why boydigital, boy digital, get cool
(36:06):
boy digital and why film get Mryeah.
So we want the bank to come outto say why, what the fuck?
Why?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think it's not the problem with the bank.
Yeah, I think it's the problemwith the government.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I think the government need to accept from
the bank.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
The bank first.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Why, if the government accept and let you
change your sex in your ID, no,but the bank, if you want, if
you decide to call the peoplelike us, like KUN, it needs to
be all the same, kun foreveryone.
Kun for everyone, ok, kun forlike not just for the rich and
(36:49):
powerful.
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe it doesn't mean that youcan put KUN for the lady or KUN
for a man, but also KUN for forthe lady.
Boy is also not Mr.
Yeah, you understand.
Yeah, yeah, we know, we are Mr,we know, but please respect us.
Yeah, yeah, please respect andwhy we are the same lady boy.
(37:11):
We say why another person isKUN, why another person is Mr,
we want the same.
And then and it's become a bigtopic of the of the country.
So it's like and boy is verysad.
She was sad and she said like,ok, she's going to call the
banks.
And what happened?
Because sometimes she's verybusy, she goes to the bank, open
(37:31):
the bank account and then theyput this thing and the bank come
out to say oh, we are reallysorry, we really apologize for
this, it's about their staffmistakes.
But we know it's not the staffmistakes.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
It's the bank policy.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, it's the bank policy, but also and with these
things, yeah, we talked a lotand we want, like the bank, to
put the same, like KUN, kun, kun, for every lady boy.
Same same, not just only forsomeone that have big power,
someone the superstar, yeah, forsomeone like a very well know,
(38:06):
respect everyone.
Yeah, respect everyone.
And also it's like the politicparty, my politic party.
I can say my because I love it.
And I support them so much, likethe orange one and yeah.
So the Kau Kai politic party,the young generation politic
(38:26):
party, we try we talked aboutthis and we put like a week we
write the laws to send to thepolitic party in like a Supreme
Court or something like that.
Yeah, and we want to changeabout the laws, about the names
of like a I don't know whatEnglish call, like a Mr, mrs,
something like that In front ofthe names like.
(38:49):
We want to change this.
We want the LGBTQ In first.
We win about the marriage right.
And the second thing about thisthing we want to change about
the in front of the names.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, so if I want a lady, I can change.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yes, we want this, but the Supreme Court doesn't
allow us not yet.
Not, no, not, not them, not yet, but no way Now.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
But maybe few.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because right now it's like avery important to stay
optimistic.
You know, even someone now sayno, yeah, anything change over
time.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we think like next time,like next four year maybe we not
win this time, but next fouryear we want to change this.
Okay, yeah, I really hope so.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I hope so Because I think this makes a lot of
uncomfortable moment for people.
And then the government comeout, for example, I think, if
you want to travel, let's saynow you want to travel to Israel
, just for example.
But if they buy ticket for you,I think the ticket have to say
Mr yeah, but you know it's likemany country already change yeah
.
Yeah, and also, I can't change,I can't do, you can change.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
That's really good and also it's like the other
politic party we call put tieright that they're cheating on
us like before.
They are the same team, wedon't want.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
We don't want problem with the Thai government.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
So this thing, so these things, like before, they
said they support us, but whenthe law come in, they not
support.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
They lie, they want to vote for them.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
They just says like oh, it doesn't mean that we
don't support.
We really support.
But they have so many small law, small letter down there.
We need to change a little bit.
We need time, but we know youare liared.
So yeah, after next four yearswe will change these things.
I understand.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I want to go back to what I started before.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah, yeah, five by the week, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
So I read now if someone going to Thailand right
now, they will see many, many,many stores that sell marijuana,
gunja, and you can smoke therein.
It's legal.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
But I read that until the end of this year they
change back.
The law Cannot change back.
Two days ago they say they willchange back the law because
they do a mistake.
This law for allow gunja to belegal was a mistake for them.
Because they change thegovernment in the middle and
they cannot change back.
They say until the end of thisyear they they are changing that
(41:28):
back.
This is what I read.
I want to know if you heardabout that.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Many people will lose money.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, because, like our Eve, you already know in
first step that this is gonna bethe big problem, but you still
allow this law to appear.
Now you see when the thingslike we know, like when you use
the laws, and then I don't wantto talk shit about my government
and also say, yeah, as you told, like you don't want to have
(41:56):
the problem with this thing.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I don't think you can do podcast when you be in
Mackey house, so this is f**k upand also cause.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
I cannot say whatever I want you to say.
So because we know like the bigman in this f**king government
is like half a.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Pryute.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Not Pryute the others .
Yeah, then they will go aboutthe.
They say like, oh, we allowthis law.
We use this law because we knowlike Gancha or the weed is like
very good for medication.
They said they allow formedication but they have a big
gap on the law that if theyallow, people will sell, selling
(42:37):
on the street.
They know because before thelaw is come out, we have many
people come out to say no, wenot support.
No, we not support, mostly Thaipeople.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I don't support also, by the way.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, we not support, we not support.
Many people come out to say butthey not listen because they
have the power and they get abig money from these things.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
And now they want to go back.
I don't think it's gonna happen, because many people is already
create the business already andthey don't want to lose the
money yeah.
But not just only the businesspeople, this thing, but a big,
big, big business people behindthe government as well.
They get a big benefit and theydon't want to change this law.
(43:23):
So I think it's impossible.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
We will have to follow that.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But nowadays they have another crazy law.
You know, yaba.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Sadly, I know, yaba.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yes, yeah, you know, yaba, right?
I don't know what in Englishcalled.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yaba.
This is a methamphetamine mixedwith caffeine.
It's a very bad drug.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
One second I want to explain.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
It's a very bad drug that making a lot of problems in
Thailand and all of SoutheastAsia.
It's one of the worst drugsthat is on the earth and it's
very cheap to make and they sellit very cheap and it ruins many
lives.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
You know, in Thailand we have a lot of problems about
this thing For long term, long,long term.
Every year, every day, we havethe problem with this thing and
you know what the fucking crazything that happen in Thailand.
Now I know you don't want tohave the fighting with the
government, but yeah, thegovernment is allow that if you
(44:19):
have 5 Yaba in your back, younot be a seller Before.
If you have 5, like maybe 5 ormaybe 1, some people like they
do the selling that right.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
So let me explain, let me understand If I have 4
Yaba is okay, police, not takeme yes 5 Up to 5.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
If I have 6 this problem 6 the problems.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
What the fuck?
Speaker 1 (44:45):
So I can sell 5 every time, yeah but the government
that says they change this lawbecause nowadays they have too
many people in the prison.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
Yeah, in the prison system.
The prison system is verytrouble people.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Some people is not selling, some people just taking
.
Speaker 2 (45:02):
Taking, yes, but how do you know?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
who's selling.
And now they allow for 5 if youhave 5 and everyone can say no,
so they can sell 5 every time.
Yeah, everyone can sell, likeand one funny thing is a man who
in the prison, some reporterinterview him Like, ask a seller
, how do you think?
How do you think about this lawI'm very happy with this law
(45:27):
and what the fuck with thegovernment doing this thing.
What they thinking Because,like, if I have 5, I can say I'm
just take it, I didn't sell it,and I now a day I pack
5,5,5,5,5,5,5 for sale.
This is one of the fuckingthing that happen in my country
right now.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
So let me say something about that.
Yeah, okay, I talk about mycountry for a second.
In my country they used to be abig heroine problem.
Many people used heroine beforein my country and in order to
make that problem stop, ifpeople want, they can stop take
heroine and they can go to thegovernment and the government
(46:09):
give them substance.
It's called Adolan.
You can take this and then youdon't this same heroine.
Okay, now you feel you don'tneed heroine.
I see.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Like a treatment?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yeah, it's like a treatment, but basically you are
still addicted.
Now you are addicted to Adolanand not for this.
So I understand why they wantto have people that already
addicted to Yaba that if I have2 Yaba or 3 Yaba I can smoke, no
one make problem for me.
But the problem is that I don'tthink they should allow the
(46:47):
Yaba itself, because this meanpeople will still bring Yaba and
make Yaba inside Thailand andwill sell.
I think the better way to dothat is give something else that
the government produce.
For example, let's say I'maddicted to Yaba.
I come to the government saylisten, I don't want to be
addicted to Yaba anymore.
Can you give me something else?
I take from you you tell me,let's call it smoke just for
(47:10):
name.
Okay, can you give me 3 smokes,for I not feel that bad when I
not have Yaba.
And then people that still haveYaba it's a problem and they
cannot sell, but we have asolution from the people that
already addicted.
So I think this is a very bigproblem and I don't understand
why what they were thinking.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
The same thing with Kansha.
The thing is for medication.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yaba is not for medication.
Methamphetamine is one of theworst drugs on earth.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I mean it look like the same.
They have like a stupid reason.
Yeah, a stupid reason.
It's like oh, this is from amedication, and you see now they
have a lot of students smokingKansha in the school.
Also after finish school.
So you cannot control thatBecause, like you already do,
like this thing and also likewhen people selling Kansha, they
(48:07):
said, like the government says,oh to selling Kansha is not
good, but how can you do?
Because they have a big gap ofthe law and you already know
that in first.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, but I don't think we can compare Yaba to
Gansha.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I think it's all like attic.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yes but I not see many people go crazy from Gansha
, same they go crazy from Yaba.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, but also crazy, and also some is crazy.
Cannot say no one.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
I don't say no one, I say I have never seen.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
Whatever you never seen it doesn't mean that they
don't get it.
I used to use a lot of Gansha,a lot of hash.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
I used to use many drugs.
The only reason I stopped usingthat drugs is because it's
making me lazy.
I don't like to feel lazy whenI used to smoke.
I just want to stay home, smoke, play game, watch movie.
I don't care anything else.
So this was the problem for me.
But about Gansha, I'm in themiddle.
(49:08):
But about something likemethamphetamine or heroin,
that's crazy.
Smoke crazy.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
And yeah, the sad thing is like the stupid reason
is come out and then, like thevery sad thing is, like the
people like us, like the Thaipeople or some other people,
normal people Like us, eventhough we're not supported but
we cannot do anything, we justcome out to say no, no, no.
But they not listen Becausethey have the power to do this
(49:33):
thing.
Same same what we do withGansha.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
One of the reasons we are making this podcast is
because we want the world to goout.
So we are calling now to thepeople.
If someone listen to us I don'tknow, but maybe someone in the
Thai government listen to usPlease revoke this law.
It's a bad law.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Very bad.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
Don't do that.
You are hurting people morethan you are helping them.
There are other ways to fixthese problems.
Try to look on other modelsthat was created in different
countries like Canada, us,israel and many other western
countries.
They have better system totreatment than giving a proof to
using the Yaba.
It's a wrong move you are doingso.
(50:17):
Please consider that.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Very sad.
And you can read more when youcan go to Google and you can
read more about these things.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I really want to know what we need.
It's really sad, so sadly.
On this sad note, we have tofinish this episode.
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We contacted them and theyagreed to do a podcast with us,
(51:12):
so we are very excited for that.
So thank you guys for listening.
Nada, have something to say toour listeners.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
Thank you for listening our podcast.
I hope you support us and, yeah, I still want a bigger and
bigger mic.
Yeah, yeah, if you can likedraw a little tip for us, it's
gonna be very good motivationfor us to create about a very
good.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
This not mean we stop do, but it will make us do
better content.
Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, a better if we have a better equipment and,
yeah, it's gonna be like, makeme feel, like, hey, I feel more
motivation and more inspirationfor our podcast.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
And also she need her boobs done, so come on.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, so come on now.
Maybe I can get one, but I wantto.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Not just only one.
And again, thank you, jonathan,for helping us.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Thank you, joe.
We really appreciate that.
See you on bed.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Did he contact you already?
Really, I don't think so, but Iwill check the email If you
listen this.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
You can contact me as fast as possible because I want
to tell you let's live with me,free, back fast.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, and also now.
Maybe you can marry with her.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I have condom and also I have gel, so don't worry
about this thing.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I'm ready.
Thank you, lada.
It was a great episode, asusual, and we will see you next
week.
Speaker 1 (52:41):
See you, bye, bye.
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