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The night started loud—neon, cocktails with flames, free Jägerbombs—and ended with a quiet question we couldn’t shake: when does “fun” stop being fun? We dive into an eight-day sprint through Pattaya’s clubs with a longtime listener, where tastes get picky, bills climb fast, and a VIP plan falls apart because someone chose a lie over a straight answer. It’s a lesson in boundaries and trust—yes, even in places where everything seems transactional. Honesty still counts.

From there, we navigate culture and consent at a tomboy club and the unspoken rules that protect guests and workers. Desire is one thing; respect is another. We try to craft a better plan with help from a savvy friend who knows the scene, only to watch nerves derail the moment. The thread running through it all is simple and stubborn: how you move matters more than where you go.

Then the story shifts. A friend shows up at our door in crisis, high on meth and asking for a key. We talk about what it takes to hold space for someone detoxing—the sleep, the food, the emotional whiplash—and why quitting isn’t the hardest part; staying off is. It’s not a PSA. It’s life here, raw and unfiltered, especially within the ladyboy community that too many people still treat like an afterthought.

We also get real about creative burnout and the temptation to quit the show. We almost said goodbye. Instead, we chose to double down on what makes this project worth it: unscripted honesty, no PR gloss, and a platform where voices from Pattaya—yes, including ladyboys—speak for themselves. Some weeks will soar, some will stumble, but none will pretend.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to My Thai Wife
podcast.
Again, we are in the studio.
I'm with beautiful Ellie here.
We are doing great.
After the two weeks' vacationthat we took, I took, and Ellie
was forced to take it.

SPEAKER_01 (00:14):
Oh no, I actually like a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
I think we were kind of synchronized in that way.
But both of us felt a bit down,and like it was like, oh great,
you're not doing that.
That's great.
I'm going to do my own stuffuntil your friend got worried
about you and started sending memessages.

SPEAKER_01 (00:33):
Oh my god, you're gonna talk about uh no no, it's
just it was funny.
I mean, it's funny by the way.

SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
I got another message from her yesterday, so I
don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
Yeah, I don't know.
You okay, Ellie?
I'm okay.
The thing is, like, uh, becauseshe always messaged me on
Instagram, yeah.
So it I never checked, I neverreally checked my Instagram
message, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (00:57):
I understand, but like she got worried.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
I know.
I have like a more than like Idon't know 20 calls from her,
Miss Call, and then the lastmessage that I saw is like I
gotta go to the police.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08):
Okay, did she?

SPEAKER_01 (01:10):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11):
Because you called.
That was like the line youdidn't want her to cross.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
I didn't see before.
Lucky that I see friend,otherwise it's gonna be uh
picture, missing person from thePateya news page.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Wait, I think we have some problem anyway.
Doesn't matter.
I had an interesting week.
Well, a week and a half.
So after the same day I postedthe Phil said episode that was
actually kind of hard for me totake out, and we will talk about

(01:46):
it later or in maybe otherepisodes, it doesn't have to be
today.
The same day, a guy that I knowfrom the podcast, not that he
was a guest here, he was alistener since the beginning,
and I already met him before inin Thailand.
He just sent me a message, I'mhere, let's meet up.

SPEAKER_01 (02:08):
Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00 (02:10):
Yes and no.
So he came only for one week.
Okay, he came heavy and he camehot, if you know what I mean.
So, first I'll I'll give you theoutcome.
The outcome was after eightstraight days of me getting
fucked up every day because ofhim, like drunk.

(02:33):
I I wouldn't like I wasn't ableto talk at the end of the eight
days.
I just took like two days.
I stayed in my room like azombie, wait for everything to
go down.
It even affected me mentally,like I became a bit down from
that, you know, because yeah,from the too much hangover and
alcohol.
Yeah, that was heavy, but it wasinteresting, and also he's not

(02:53):
into lady boys, so this means hedragged me all over the other
places, and I had to actuallybecause he's not very um, he
doesn't know many cool placeshere, so he wanted me to find
some places for him.
Okay, so it started, it alwaysstarted like in a gentleman
clubs, if you know what I mean.

(03:14):
Yeah, like very chill.
And by the way, he's crazy, he'slike fucking six, seven times a
day.
Because I told you he came hot,yeah.
He came hot and he kind of likeeven the drama.
So he goes with this one andthen send a message to her
friend behind her back and tryto do a threesome after the

(03:36):
e-fuck both of them, and likethat's his thing, and that's
okay.
But we had some good experience,some bad experience.
I took him to the one gentlemanclub I always talk about, the
telephone bar.
Do you remember the one that wondrink to get?
He didn't like it, but Iexpected so because he's like
only going for the nine and tenladies, you know what I mean?

(04:01):
And no one's there is nine orten, let's be honest.
So all of them are between fiveto seven, maybe.
I'm sorry, it's like I'm not abad person, but I try to explain
his point of view.
So for him, it was like, no, no,I don't want to be here.
I say, relax, you don't have todo anything, just buy a drink.

(04:22):
I don't want to see her naked.
I say, okay, let's go.
Because it wasn't a very nicething to say, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (04:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
So we stayed there a bit, then we found some other
gentleman clubs that hepreferred.
Uh, by the way, he paid for 95%of the things.

SPEAKER_01 (04:42):
Oh, wow, that's very nice of him.

SPEAKER_00 (04:44):
It is, but it made me feel a bit uncomfortable.
So I tried whenever I could,like, at least pay for the food.
Or I invited him to Guillaume'srestaurant, the bull.
And I tried like as much as Ican.
And also, finally, we went.
He wanted so at the end, hesaid, I want the nine and tens,

(05:05):
only nine and tens, because itwas like his last three days.
So we went to the most expensivebar in Pataya.
Do you know it?
I talked about it before, but doyou remember?

SPEAKER_01 (05:16):
The bar?

SPEAKER_00 (05:17):
It's gogo slash gentlemen club.

SPEAKER_01 (05:21):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_00 (05:22):
I so do you know playgirls?

SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (05:25):
You know playgirls.
Yeah.
You know the owner of Playgirls?

SPEAKER_01 (05:28):
I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
Okay, it doesn't matter.
So those guys, they openedanother place that's called
Playroom.

SPEAKER_03 (05:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (05:37):
It's on the same soy, so soy boomerang.
Lady Drinks,$3.99.

SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
My god.

SPEAKER_00 (05:45):
Yeah.
Regular drinks, also veryexpensive.
Their specialty is likecocktails.
So they have like a huge menu ofvery.
I don't have other words forthat, so I will say it's kind of
gay word, but flamboyantcocktails.
Everything is over the top withcherries and flames everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 (06:08):
Like very fancy, like a dead area, like a date
place.
Like a but you go into the dead,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:15):
It like this is the style of the cock cocktails, but
no, that's a basically a gogo.
A gogo.
So it's kind in the middle, andthey had like the first day we
went there, it was actually kindof nice.
We already only bought like twodrinks and no lady drinks
because we were like, okay, wetry to understand what's going
there.
Then the manager came, he's notone of the owners, just a

(06:37):
manager.
I cannot say his name and wherehe was from, but he's a very
nice guy.
And he just came.
Hey guys, how are you doing?
First time here?
Yeah, okay.
Here's four Jaggermeister, uh,for a Jagger bomb for you guys.
I was like, what the fuck is fortwo each.
So we had them, and then wesaid, like, we had another, we

(06:59):
immediately bought another drinkfor herself.
And when he passed again, passedby us again.
I said, Okay, can we buy you adrink?
He's saying, No, I have a betteridea.
Came back with another threeJagger bombs, one for him, two
for us.
Now, my friend don't like JaggerBomb, so he was drinking it like
whiskey.
He don't understand the concept,and I was like, What the fuck

(07:22):
are you doing, brother?
Just take it down.
So he's a nice guy, and he gotus like many free drinks, and we
only paid for two drinks.
So we obviously we feltobligated to go again.
The next day we went thereagain.
My friend was already a bit morerelaxed.

SPEAKER_03 (07:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:42):
Took one girl's play with one girl, play with her a
bit, then they have some someshows, you know, a go-go show.

SPEAKER_01 (07:50):
Oh, that's a nice though.

SPEAKER_00 (07:51):
It is because it's not sexual shows, they're like a
choreographed.
No, no, choreographed dancingshows.
But it's a very small place, butone of the most like the best
design place I've seen.
Like, very good environment overthere.
Very good.

SPEAKER_01 (08:09):
Something like this.
You never invited me.
My god.

SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
I'm sorry, but my friend was like no ladies.

SPEAKER_01 (08:16):
He only wanted like a man night, a guy night, yeah,
but okay for eight fucking days.

SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Okay, for eight fucking days.
So I I I even tried to bringScott once, and he said he
wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 (08:31):
I think he just wants to hang out with you.

SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
Maybe we are so I mean, like, also we speak the
same language, yeah.
So he's not from my country, buthe can speak my language, so it
was easier, I guess, for him.
And also, when we were aroundother people, he still wanted to
speak our language, which waskind of weird because everyone
else is speaking English, butthat's okay.

(08:56):
And it was nice.
And we met some guys there thatwere from Atlanta, I think.
Yeah, some black guys fromAtlanta, and they had like a
birthday party or whatever.
At the end of the day, I thinkhis pill was like nine or ten
thousand for two hours.

(09:19):
Two hours two hours because thelady drinks are very expensive,
the drinks are expensive, andthen he buys you a drink, you
have to buy a drink back, blahblah blah blah blah.
So so we've been there threetimes.
Now, another thing that we didnow I will not say the name of

(09:39):
the place because it's not likeit's not the name, the place's
fault, but it's some girl'sfault.
So one day he brought a girlwith him and he wanted to go to
some very famous Agogo that'sknown for it being kind of cheap
and nice.

(10:00):
It's in the Soi Bokau area, it'snot in Walking Street or
whatever.
So we went there with a girlthat he already brought in from
the out, from out of that place.
And we went, we sat in the mainarea, and then they asked us if
you want to go upstairs.
So I thought it's like king orwhatever.
It wasn't, it's just a VIP area,like that.

(10:23):
It's kind of nice, actually.
Like you're private and yeah,and the prices are the same, but
the girls are uglier upstairs.
I don't know why.
I think like you stuck withthem, so anyway.
We were sitting with one, two,like his girl and two more
girls, and he really liked oneof these girls.
And he wanted to be with her,but the other girl that he

(10:45):
brought said, uh that's not fairfor me, you know.
So he didn't do anything.
The next day he came back withthe same girl, but now he
already spoke with her and heconvinced her, you don't have to
do anything, you just need towatch me do stuff.
You say, that's not weird foryou?

SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
You will go with some guy that you're fucking,
and he will say, Okay, can yousit on the chair while I fight
while I fuck other ladies?

SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
The thing is, like uh, because the girl she comes
from work, right?
Or no?

SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
She's f she's a freelancer.

SPEAKER_01 (11:21):
Yeah, so like uh you get paid to watch someone doing
your work, why not?

SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
Okay, that's one way to look at it, but you don't
feel insulted by that?

SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
I mean, like if she has the feeling for him, that is
might be a problem.

SPEAKER_00 (11:37):
But if you don't feel like I don't have a
feeling, I don't I don't thinkit's she's a nice girl, and by
the way, apparently she livesright across the street from me.
Like I'm living in oneapartment, and she's right like
so sometimes when she sees menow, she sends him pictures of
me, like smoking on the balconywith my underwear or stuff like

(11:58):
that, and she like spying on me.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
So we went there the other day,and he was it was his last
night.
Last, last official night.
So he wanted to go out with abang, you know?
One girl, two girls, threegirls, the girl from last time,
this girl.

(12:18):
And he tried to arrangesomething, but he was very
drunk, so he asked me tointervene.
He said, go down, choose the twobest girls that you can find.
Now I know his style.
He liked them, let's say notmore than 22, white skinned and

(12:39):
tiny.
This is what he liked.
Okay.
This is his style.
He wanted very small frame.
Okay, I went down, had a look,found two girls that kind of
matching his description.
Went back upstairs, and we had afew more drinks, and then he
said, Okay, can you arrangeeverything for me?
So, yeah.
So I asked them how much, uh,you know the deal.

(13:02):
And we got like settled on theprice.
I will not say their price, Iwill just say the room price
alone was 1100.

SPEAKER_01 (13:13):
For short time?

SPEAKER_00 (13:15):
Yeah.
But you have to remember, it'shim and three more girls.

SPEAKER_01 (13:19):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (13:20):
And then they say, wait, you want that girl to come
with you to watch?
She has to pay extra.
That makes sense.
Wait, that makes sense.
Another 550.
That makes sense.
And then she said, Oh no, I'mnot going there alone.
I'm not going to sit there andlike, I don't know, do nothing.
Mike, you are coming with me.

SPEAKER_03 (13:40):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (13:40):
I say, okay, so what?
Are we going both going to sitthere?
Or she said, it doesn't matter,we can play connect for
whatever.
I say, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:50):
Playing Connect for why so much of like banking?
This is what?

SPEAKER_00 (13:55):
Because I understand she wouldn't feel kind of
comfortable.
So she wanted me, and we hadlike a good relationship, me and
her, like we became friends,right?
And then we spoke to the girls,and she said they say, of
course, but another 550.
No problem.
So the bill was already around10,000 just for everything.

(14:17):
And we start walking to theroom, and then the girl that
arranged everything from theirside, like everyone went in the
room and she grabbed my hand.
No, no, you can sit here.
I say, uh, why?
Like, don't think I don't wantto watch my friend fucking.
But you don't understand that hewill.
If I'm not going inside, thegirl will not go inside, and all

(14:39):
the dealers say, Oh, he's drunk.
Just lie to him.
Say you need to go to thetoilet.
We make him come in fiveminutes.

SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
I say, That's a nice way of doing your job.

SPEAKER_00 (14:51):
Then I spoke in my language to him.
I say, cancel everything.
He said, Why?
I say, ask her.
He asked her what's going on.
She said, No, uh, you we cannot,you have to pay extra for the
girls.
He said, but he's not doinganything with them.
Then my friend got angry, and hesaw that I got angry.

(15:11):
And for that small mistake, theyblew up a deal that was because
he's a big deeper.
So I guess it would be like 13or 14,000 eventually.

SPEAKER_03 (15:21):
Wow.

SPEAKER_00 (15:22):
Just because she wanted to lie for him.
You know, because if in thebeginning she tell him, no,
yeah, if you'll be honest at herfirst, but then now you want to
lie to the client.
And they ask me.

SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
Ask the friend of the client to like help you on
the on like it's actually likehelp you, like ask you the
friend of the client to scamyour client.

SPEAKER_00 (15:44):
Like, yeah, and you understand that it's not the
place fault.
This why I don't want to say theplace name.
It's that girl's fault.
And she got angry with me.
Like, after that, she we stillhad like a few drinks, and she
she uh forced him to pay for twomore drinks, no, three more
drinks for the ladies, butthat's reasonable.

(16:05):
I understand that because theyalready went up and thought they
had a deal.
Okay, and all the time she looksat me like that, and I just fuck
you.

SPEAKER_01 (16:14):
Why don't you look back?

SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
If I was that I was just like no, I look back, I say
fuck you all the time.
And she got angry even more.

SPEAKER_01 (16:21):
Then leave, leave the table, go away, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
Leave her with my friend alone again.

SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
No, I mean like her.

SPEAKER_00 (16:28):
Like she's like, Oh no, if she are angry, she
couldn't leave because in thisplace, when you go inside, one
girl, the first girl that youtake, she will stay with you as
like a host.

SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
Uh okay, I listen.

SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
And you she cannot leave you, like we are
customers, so it was like uh didyou have the chair in the
corner?

SPEAKER_01 (16:49):
Your corner time, go right now, corner time.

SPEAKER_00 (16:53):
Yeah, but it was interesting experience, and at
the end, he did like nothing, hejust took that one girl home.
Um, that was his big night out.

SPEAKER_01 (17:03):
Oh, that sucks.
Everything almost goingperfectly, as what he wished to
do.
Like, you know, it's like hisgoal.
He I think he already had thisplan, you know.
Yeah, but then he threw out ofthe one stupid uh yeah, but I
think he also was so drunk, Ithink he couldn't perform that
way.
He was drunk at the point, likewhich is like an easy job for

(17:24):
the girl.
It is, you know, it is the loosebig time.

SPEAKER_00 (17:29):
Also, I tried to help him do something else.
So I as I told you, he's notinto lady boys, but for some
weird weird reason, he's reallyinto tomboys.
Now, not many tomboys will gowith a man.

SPEAKER_01 (17:43):
Yeah, there are more Do you know some?

SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
I know one.
I think we know the same one.

SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
Yes, I know this one.

SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
Yeah, I think we know the same one, but she's not
walking there anymore.
Oh so I took him to the tomboyclub in uh uh the third road,
right outside of Soi Chiapun.
I tell you about that before.
I took him there and he triedlike getting busy with the girls
there, and they're like, no, no,we are just giving you drinks.

SPEAKER_01 (18:12):
Yeah, you know my time.
You have you have something thatwe do.

SPEAKER_00 (18:15):
He did the worst thing, so he saw, you know, most
of the people that go there lateat night are good-looking girls
that want to find a nice tomboyto spend the time with.
Oh no, very good-looking girls.

SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
Oh no, he talked with a customer.

SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
He went there and started like, Hey, how are you
doing?
Oh god, and she was like, Okay,yeah, you want to drink?
Yeah, okay, let's drinktogether.
And then he put the uh his handon her, and like two random
tomboys just, what the fuck areyou doing?
Stay away.
This is our customer.

SPEAKER_01 (18:49):
Like, he don't understand the yeah, it's like
it's you you don't go out ofpeople's territory and steal
their work, bro.

SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
Like, and also she's there because she wants to get
some pussy.
She's not looking if she wantedsomething else, she wouldn't go
there.
So step back, you know?
Yeah, but it's okay.
And then he asked me, Can youarrange something?
And I remembered my friend Kiwi,she she's a lady boy, and she
says she's really into tomboys,also.

(19:18):
Because she actually, I thinkshe likes pussy as much as she
likes Dick, but she wants themto look a bit more manly, so
tomboy are the perfect option.
So she said, I remember that, soI spoke with her.
She said, Hell yeah, let'sarrange that.
Like, let's go there, and shesaid, I can she look like a
lady.
She said, I can get tomboys tobe with me.

(19:41):
Easy.
But he got like cold fit at theend.
Because she said we can findlike a tomboy together, yeah,
and one side lady boy, one sideman, and we will do our thing.
Yeah, but he got cold fit.
Yeah, you think it will work?

(20:02):
No, huh?
I don't know.
I thought I I trust in Kiwi.

SPEAKER_01 (20:07):
Kiwi is a smart lady, and I know maybe she she
knows how to make it work.
I think she like has experienceto make it work.

SPEAKER_00 (20:16):
I don't know.
I hope so.
But she was like, Yeah, let's doit.
Like, she she knew she can makeit happen.

SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
Yeah, for me, I will be like, nah, if you have the
two pussy, then in the room,like yeah, even one pussy is too
much for you.
Of course.

SPEAKER_00 (20:34):
This is what you're saying all the time.
Yeah, well, this is just onepussy, tomorrow.
That's it.

SPEAKER_01 (20:43):
Oh, then it's work.
Two men, yeah, one pussy.

SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Yeah, one pussy.

SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
Like even one pussy too thick, it's work.
Okay, I mean, come on, let thehave more in one hole.

SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
Okay, of course.
I'm not talking about that, butit depends.
And also, I I I will not go tothat territory.
You know what?
This is not the level of thepodcast that I want.
So, and by the way, if we aretalking about Kiwi, one of her
friends show up at my doorstepthe other day.

(21:19):
I told you about this before,but uh something I want to talk
about.
So, this is a serious subject,and I want our audience to
understand we are not taking itlike lightly.
But as we spoke many times,there is a big drug problem in
Thailand, in Pataya, especially,and especially with the Lady Boy

(21:41):
community.
And one of her friends called mea few days ago and just said,
Where are you?
I say, I'm near my home.
What are you doing?
I said, I'm eating.
You want to come eat with us?
Because I was with Pim.
And she said, Uh yeah, she cameand she just does this to me.

(22:05):
Like, give me her hand.
I say, What you don't want toeat?
Give me your key.
Okay, I gave her the key to myroom, and I went back to eat
with Pim.
And then later I came back tothe room and she was half
asleep, fully closed, on thebed, aircon on, all the windows

(22:26):
open.
And I'm like, hey, what's goingon?
And she starts cryingimmediately.
Crying, crying, crying, crying,crying.
I let her to calm down and Isaid, like, what happened?
She said, I I want to killmyself.
I say, why?
She said, I want to die now.
I say, okay, you're not going todie now.

(22:47):
Now you're just crying and beinga pussy about that.
So let's tell me what's goingon.
Come on.
She said, I oversmoked and I Ifeel like crazy.
Now, when she says smoking,obviously we talk about ice,
which is metamphetamine forpeople who don't know.
So she was very high on ice.

(23:08):
She told me she took the sameamount that she took in four
days, she took in one day.

SPEAKER_01 (23:15):
That's rough.

SPEAKER_00 (23:17):
Yeah.
So she was as high as a kite.
She was very high.
It took her a lot of time tolike calm down.
And I then tell her, okay, gotake a shower, relax.
I got her some food.
And normally it takes about twoweeks to be able to stop with

(23:37):
that.
So I told her, okay, listen, youwant to stop?
She said, Yeah, this is why Icame here.

SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
Because I already have so she comes like asking
your help to help her stopagain.

SPEAKER_00 (23:47):
Yeah.
So she just stays in my roomnow, and it takes about two
weeks.
But the thing is, it's not hardto stop.
The hard thing is not to startagain.
You know, everyone can stop.

SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (24:03):
You know, two weeks, you sleep a lot, you eat a lot,
a lot.
A lot, by the way.
I know another girl, I will notsay her name, when she stopped
last time, she gained in oneweek seven kilo.
Two weeks seven kilos.
Seven kilo.

(24:24):
She looked good because beforethat she was very skinny.
So the set the seven kiloactually looked good on her, but
that was a bit too much for her.
And then she started uh doing itagain.
Cool, thank you.
And we are back.
We had a technical issue.
Now it's okay.

(24:44):
So back to the point.
People when they stop doingespecially ice, they start eat a
lot and they just sleep, likesleep, eat, sleep, eat.
So basically, she sleeps 22hours a day, wake up, eat, shit,
shower, and go sleep again.

SPEAKER_01 (25:04):
Like, I feel like it's just like uh all her body
needs from like when she's onice, she probably doesn't have
much of that sleep, sleep andeat.

SPEAKER_00 (25:12):
Yeah, because as I told you, many people are losing
weight when they're smoking ice,most of them, like significant,
a lot of weight, and it's lookvery bad, especially by the way,
on Lady Boys, it's it's lookweird because you know, then you
can see all the muscles, andthis is actually the thing they
try to avoid, right?

SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
They want to look a bit more feminine in that area,
so like the way it's to beskinnier, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (25:38):
But sometimes too skinny is not good.
But it's not the first time thatI'm hosting someone that wants
to stop.
Last time I got actually one ofmy friends was taking care of
her.
So it's a lady boy that wastaking care of another lady boy,
and she had to go to Bangkok fora few days, and she just called

(25:59):
me.
Hey, can you take her in a fewdays?
You know the deal.
Don't let her do crazy stuff.
Say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She can come over.
So uh it's good, but it's kindof affecting me mentally also,
because when you stay withpeople that are trying, yeah,

(26:22):
that's it's like a thousandnegative uh wipe, yeah, a bit,
and everything like they arevery sensitive, and every word
can make them cry or laugh orwhatever.

SPEAKER_01 (26:35):
I believe I understand you.
Some like when uh my friend hasa big heartbroken, oh same
thing.
Like I try to be positive forher, but then at the end I also
doubt myself, feel down, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (26:48):
So I yeah, I felt that.
So think about it.
The first week I had like theparty, party, party, and then a
crash, and then she showed up,right?
And it's like continuum of thishow would I say that?
Heavy energy, you know, it'svery heavy, and also we I felt I

(27:11):
I will go back to the episodethat I did last time.
As I explained to the listeners,and you probably heard the
episode, I guess.
Yeah, so lately in general, I'mfeeling a bit down, and I felt a
bit off, and I think the contentthat we produced wasn't as good

(27:33):
as I hoped.
And the people response wasn'tgood as I hoped.
And everything is sing I feel itso heavy right now.
And it sounds like I'mcomplaining.

SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
I am a bit a bit come on, unless everyone have
the right to complain somehow.

SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
Yeah, but I I I still enjoy my life here, right?
Like I was speaking with my auntyesterday.
Uh yesterday it was some holidayback home, so I I spoke with
her, and like I told her,listen, like I don't know if
things work out the way I wantthem to.

SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
Just kind of feel doubted, then now you feel lost.

SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
Yeah, I spoke with you also.

SPEAKER_01 (28:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:21):
And she said, Yeah, it's okay, just change your
roots.
I say, Yeah, but I don't wantto.
I like what I'm doing.
I am.

SPEAKER_01 (28:30):
I know, but then it's like confusing in your
head.

SPEAKER_04 (28:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
Or maybe you just like it the way the way it just
the way we do, you just like itso much, and you expect a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (28:39):
So when you die, you feel much more on the expecting
that it's not like yeah, and I'mnot by the way, I'm not even
talking about the money that weare not making out of it.

SPEAKER_01 (28:48):
I mean, the quality, yeah, the quality and the
feeling, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:50):
Yeah, and like I thought she's going to convince
me to come back, and she said,hell no, don't come back.
There is nothing like you'rehappy there, stay there.
Find other ways to provide foryourself and like the best
aunts, the what the best aunt,perfect.
She is, yeah, she's one of thebest aunts.
Well, she's the best aunt Ihave, and like what I find it a

(29:19):
bit hard for me to get up on myfeet now.
So I ask many advice from manydifferent people.
For example, for my best friendin Thailand, I told you about
her.
She lived across the street fromme, but in another side, and
like she was also down, and shesaid, like, yeah, something in
the air is making us down.

(29:40):
Like, it's the the the wholesituation now in Pataya.
Everyone can feel it.
Even the the foreigners feel thelow energy.
They say, Okay, so what do youdo to get out of it?
Say, I force myself to thinkabout something else.
Can you do that?

SPEAKER_01 (29:59):
Me?
Nah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
You also get stuck in your own thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
Um, yeah, when I yeah, when I think about um
yeah, you know I'm in thevegetable state, you know, like
don't want to do anything andlike don't want to think about
anything because it's like it'sso much thing in the head, and
then they cannot get rid of it.

SPEAKER_00 (30:18):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (30:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
But every time I meet you, well, you know what?
That's not fair what I'm goingto say, because I'm doing the
same.
Like sometimes we kind of fakeit with other people.

SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
Because like, because like you're not, you
know, literally like like youand me, I feel like we are
similar.
When we meet a new friend orlike other people, you don't
want to push, like, don't wantto put our problem to them.

SPEAKER_04 (30:38):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (30:39):
Yeah, so we just act happy all the time.
So that's why uh sometimes whenI say like I'm feeling, they're
like, oh, how down can you be?
Because I never see you sad orlike grumpy or anything.
I just always see you likealways supported, positive.
Like, no, I just fake it until Imake it.

SPEAKER_00 (30:55):
I don't want to do that anymore.
I was talking about this thelast time.
Like, I cannot fake it anymore.
And um, it's I'm again, I wantwe have this conversation live,
not live, but on a podcast.
I actually was thinking aboutterminating this whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 (31:16):
And uh, you send a message, and I don't know how to
respond.

SPEAKER_00 (31:19):
No, it's okay, but like I know it's like kind of
our baby now, and everyone islooking at it from a different
angle.
I know that for me it's likesomething I'm very proud of, and
I think it's one of the bestthing things I ever did in my

(31:42):
life, not only because of thecontent that we provide we
provide, also because of the themeaning behind it.
Okay, we want people to be happyhere, we want people to get the
real information and not oh Iknow this bar owner, this bar is
so great.
No, mostly we say this barsucks.

(32:06):
No PR.

SPEAKER_01 (32:07):
Come to Pateya, happy beach, you know, even
amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
Even when we are talking, for example, about
Guillaume's restaurant, yeah,right?
It is fucking good restaurant,not because he's my friend.

SPEAKER_01 (32:18):
It's yeah, because like I have that uh sort of
stuck in my head for likefucking three days, and then I
have to like, okay, what's thename of the that restaurant
again?
I need to you know do they sellon delivery, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:31):
And like we do give real recommendations, and I
think we do give the people theopportunity to find unfiltered,
unfiltered information, yeah,and unfiltered opinions.
And I do think also we give avery good perspective of the

(32:52):
Ladybug community, which somepeople look at them as an
outsider community, which is notright.
It's kind of the main, not themain, but it's a big thing here,
and we give like we shine lighton them, yeah, which no one
does.

SPEAKER_01 (33:05):
We give them place to talk, like wherever and
whenever they want.
Yeah, I have uh some uh of thefriend that uh asked me, like,
why you postcast or like have amostly lady boy?
Why don't you bring some girl,like a beautiful girl, something
like that?
I just like and and like whydon't you follow more like a
content and stuff like that?
Like it's just not our thing.

(33:26):
We just uh one the wife askslike a friend, we talk together
and share the experience andlike like a friend talking to
each other.

SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
Yeah, you know, same.
Even before we started recordingtoday, me and you were just
sitting here talking for like 20minutes and then they set up the
whole thing, like and it'snatural, you know.

SPEAKER_01 (33:43):
Yeah, I think it's better.
I like like this more, not justlike, oh, I have to do the
script, like okay, we're gonnatalk about this, talk about
that.
Like, no, it's just from thefeeling better.

SPEAKER_00 (33:52):
Fuck script.
I tried to do you know, I triedto do scripts before.
No, I didn't know I did I triedand it was mundane, it was so
boring and dry.

SPEAKER_01 (34:01):
Yeah, you know, I think it's gonna be very
accurate.
First off, I have shit brain,bro.
Like I I can't I can't remember,I don't even remember what I eat
yesterday.
So don't ask me to have a scriptand then like tell me, like,
okay, we're gonna talk aboutthis, but oh I can't.

SPEAKER_00 (34:16):
Fuck what you eat yesterday.
What are we eating today?
That's the best question.

SPEAKER_01 (34:19):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (34:21):
But we are.
Uh oh, you're going straight tosleep.

SPEAKER_01 (34:26):
I think I might.
Oh, like no, like you guys don'tknow.
I still not sleep.
No worry, I'm not on any highoptimal med, okay?

SPEAKER_00 (34:34):
I'm just all drugs.

SPEAKER_01 (34:36):
Yeah, all drugs.
I'm just like this.
Sometimes I just not sleep forlike like 14 hours or something
like that.
And then just sleep at one time.

SPEAKER_00 (34:45):
I know.
I used to get, I don't know ifyou know that.
We will get to the other topicback soon, but I don't know if
you know that.
But actually, some you can gethigh from not sleeping.

SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
Yeah, that's why I before like we start recording.
I tell you, like, I will be looklike I'm kind of half drunk
because it always happened tome.
Like when I'm not asleep over 24hours, I'm kind of like, look
like I'm drunk.
I talk a lot.

SPEAKER_00 (35:11):
So the thing is that sometimes I do it on purpose.
If I want to have like a crazynight or whatever, I make sure I
not sleep like 36 hours orsomething, and then I start
drinking and going out, and theneverything is like I got crazy,
drunk fast, and I don't knowwhere the all the energy comes
from.
Like uh but it's fun, it's fun,it's a different kind of high.

(35:34):
You know, you know, I'm notdoing any drugs, so yeah, I have
nothing left.
So just abusing my body to getsome high out of depressed
sleep.

SPEAKER_01 (35:45):
I hate like before before drunk though.
Like I do that many times for myfriend, you know, because like
she unplanned.
So she's like even she planned,but the thing is when it happens
the next day, I cannot sleep.
I just like, oh, what I gonnado?
What I'm gonna do, what I'mgonna do.

SPEAKER_00 (36:02):
I know exactly what you mean.
I think we are so similar, youknow.
Even since I was a baby, andlet's say there was some field
trip from school, or what I cansleep.
Whatever even if my friend has abirthday, I cannot sleep.
Anything that I know, it's liketaking me out of there.
So it's fucked up.
I know exactly how you feel.

SPEAKER_01 (36:23):
Like uh, like that is also the reason that's why
I'm like I'm single.
I have free like so much freetime in the world at the moment,
but I don't go much date.
It's just because when I set upthe date, I cannot sleep.
And then it's like like close tothe time that I have to go to
the restaurant.

SPEAKER_00 (36:41):
So we need to do surprise dates for you.
Like, Ellie, go out, there is aguy outside.

SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
Okay, like knock on my door.
Ellie, I think I I think you arefor a date.

SPEAKER_00 (36:50):
Yeah, you don't know me.
Mike recommended me.
He said you are kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (36:56):
It can't, it might work.
We can try that.
I think it canceled.

SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
Then you don't need, you know?
Then you just okay.
Oh, believe me, I cancel theyeah, but then you will see with
your rotten potato couch couchpotato mode.

SPEAKER_01 (37:12):
Now I'm I'll be the rotten potato on the bed at
least.
Okay.
Upgrade.

SPEAKER_00 (37:16):
Okay, that is an upgrade.

SPEAKER_01 (37:17):
Yeah, it's it because the cow is small, so
okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (37:21):
I'm happy for that.
At least you change the statefrom one to another.

SPEAKER_03 (37:27):
Okay, let's back to that.

SPEAKER_00 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Back to the thing I said before.
So let's be honest about what doyou think?
We should terminate this podcastor not?

SPEAKER_01 (37:36):
Why?
The thing is, like, if you ifyou say that the thing that you
say to me, like you might dropit out.

SPEAKER_00 (37:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (37:42):
I in the message.
The the exact message was Andyou you see, you see, I respond
because um I just don't know howto touch.

SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
Yeah, but you respond that you also thought
about it.

SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
I I will even read it to you, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (37:58):
No, I say I did not I did not know how to tell how
to tell the people I thinkbefore to mention to dropping it
too.
No, this is laptop.

SPEAKER_00 (38:14):
You want to drop my laptop?

SPEAKER_01 (38:16):
No, but read the message.
This is like half-sleepmessaging.

SPEAKER_00 (38:23):
It's okay, but I I'm happy that you say no because I
don't want to end it.
But I do think that some wecannot give you you guys like
consistent quality of contentbecause we are really relayed
relied on the guests that wehave, and right now it's a bit

(38:46):
hard to find good guests inPataya because there are not
many people here.
And I do hope things will changein the future.
I do have three interestingguests for the upcoming weeks.

SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
Let me try analyze my own message.

SPEAKER_00 (39:01):
Okay, okay.
So you have to read it for theaudience.

SPEAKER_01 (39:03):
I I have uh Ellie language, okay, like early
English language.
Yeah, but you have to read it.

SPEAKER_00 (39:09):
Wait, wait, wait.
You know what?
We can play.
Wait, I will read my message andthen you can reply.
Okay, okay.
So it was like uh from like Ithink dropping.
No, no.
Uh yeah, in middle, because Iwas trying to bring someone for
today for about five hours.
I think dropping this wholething soon.

(39:31):
Too hard for me doing it alone.

SPEAKER_01 (39:33):
And I asked, I understand.
Would you like me to return thelaptop to you today?

SPEAKER_00 (39:38):
I say, wow, you are very supportive.
It's the end of the month, bythe way.

SPEAKER_01 (39:43):
And then I say uh I don't good at telling people
what to do or give thesuggestion.
I think before to mention todrop it.
No, I think I mean I I dre Ithink before it's not about the
logic.
I think I think this one is uhoh no, you're wrong.

(40:06):
You're wrong.
The fucking oh sorry.
Oh, it's okay anyway.
The fucking yeah, you guys know.
Okay.
So the that it's fixed mymessage.
So actually, I was uh about to Iwant want to say like uh I think
before you mention to drop it,you probably have clear thoughts
about it, not just talkthinking.

(40:28):
Like not just talk beforethinking.

SPEAKER_00 (40:30):
Yeah, I understood that part.

SPEAKER_01 (40:32):
That's what I think about you.
That's what I that's what I I Isee you, you know.
Like I feel like when likebecause you you kind of you kind
of like how to say sarcastic,like, oh wow, you're so
supportive.

SPEAKER_00 (40:44):
So it's just like I it wasn't mean this it was like
cynical, it wasn't disgusting.
I wasn't trying to bedisgusting, but like, wow,
you're so supportive.

SPEAKER_01 (40:54):
No, but that's you know what I make it clear, but
the the phone fits my word.
Because like that's why I saylike I'm not good at like uh
tell people what to do.
And then it's like I feeling forme, like as I see you, right?
I feel like you is a person wholike you already think about it
through before you saying it.
You're not you're not taking asjust saying it from the feeling,

(41:16):
you know.

SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
You are my partner, right?
So when I talk with you, it's tofind like a shell idea.

SPEAKER_01 (41:26):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (41:26):
You know, I I I'm being honest here.

SPEAKER_01 (41:29):
That day I was uh same same today.

SPEAKER_00 (41:32):
That's okay.
I'm not angry.
You saw I wasn't angry.
The whole conversation didn'tgot me angry.

SPEAKER_01 (41:37):
Oh, lady, I thought you like a little bit like, oh,
you're a bitch.

SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
No, even you know what?

SPEAKER_01 (41:42):
The problem is the thing is when I read about it,
like, oh yeah, I'm a little bitbitch.

SPEAKER_00 (41:47):
The the thing is, messages don't have sound for
you.
Wow, wow, you are verysupportive.
Sound like wow, like angry.
Wow, you know, and I'm like,wow, you're so supportive.
That's what is in my head, morefun, like wow, that's very
supportive.
Like, that's not what this isnot what I expected.

(42:07):
You see, I'm the one punchingthe mic, not you.

SPEAKER_01 (42:13):
So I do not say I thinking to drop it, I say I
think before you uh mentioned todrop it, you okay, I think you
already thought it to so now Iknow what you wanted to write,
which is not enough because yousent another message.

SPEAKER_00 (42:29):
So fuck you, Ellie.
Anyway, so we are not droppingit.
I'm not saying we are, and I dohave some guests coming for the
next episodes.
I actually had someone I toldyou he was cancelled for
yesterday.
Yeah, he's an interesting guy.
I think you will like him.
Uh, he's doing some interestingstuff here.

(42:51):
And I really hope I not hope, Iknow he will be here next week.
So, as I said before, we havesome guests upcoming.
It's going to be interesting,it's going to be fun.
Just uh please, guys, understandthat we cannot provide the same
quality each time.
We are depending on the guests.

SPEAKER_01 (43:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:12):
Yeah.
When it's one-on-one, we can doit very good.

SPEAKER_01 (43:16):
No, we can do it every day.
But then you guys are gonna haveto listen and talk shit.

SPEAKER_00 (43:20):
It's not just that.
I think the guys actually wantto see different perspectives
from us.
This is why I bring sometimesScott or Michelle.
By the way, Michelle wassupposed to come as a surprise
guest today, but he couldn't,you know why.
I told you before.
Yeah, so this is what's goingon, right?
So we will be here next week.

(43:43):
We are keep on doing that asmuch as I can.
And we got like the whole thingthat I did last week, uh, two
weeks ago, about hey guys,please help us.
We got one more supporter, sogood.
I will not say his name becauseI don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (43:59):
Please support the man.

SPEAKER_00 (44:01):
Us us, why men?

SPEAKER_01 (44:03):
Us okay.
Us.
Please support us.

SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
So again, thank you for uh Fox 3 Studio for having
us.
Yes in Teppasit Road.
Uh, we are leaving always underlike I leave a link always under
like the videos or the podcast,wherever you can find their
link.
Uh share our contact content,please like it, subscribe it,

(44:31):
and if you will, please go toPratrian.
Do remember it helps us a lot.
Yes, thank you, Ellie.
I love you.
It was a great episode.
So we will see you actually.

SPEAKER_01 (44:43):
Now we have no misunderstanding.

SPEAKER_00 (44:45):
Yeah, no, no misunderstanding.
I wasn't angry, okay.
Okay, and and and and we aredoing actually, we you will see
us in the next episode next weekwith the same clothes because we
are doing back to back.
Yeah, so see you soon, guys.
Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_01 (45:03):
Thank you.
Bye bye, bye bye.
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