Meet Michel, a 40-year-old German expat whose 15-year journey in Thailand reveals a fascinating story of reinvention and authenticity. With remarkable candor, Michel shares how a modest $10,000 poker tournament win propelled him from his comfortable German life to the tropical shores of Koh Samui at age 27.
His initial venture—opening a restaurant despite having zero cooking experience—showcases the adventurous spirit that would define his path. "I couldn't even cook," Michel laughs, explaining how he partnered with a Thai chef while handling customer service. After seven years on the island, the familiar paradise began to feel limiting, leading him to Pattaya's more vibrant scene. Little did he know this move would completely transform his life.
When COVID devastated Thailand's tourism economy, a chance encounter with another German expat introduced Michel to adult webcamming. Through trial and error, he discovered that performing with ladyboys created a unique market niche with far less competition. This savvy business insight eventually attracted production companies seeking Western performers for ladyboy-focused content. Now, Michel produces weekly shoots, maintains relationships with numerous models, and has built a substantial following on OnlyFans, which he describes as financially transformative compared to other platforms.
Beyond the business details, Michel offers profound insights about sexual identity and societal judgment. "If guys who are into ladyboys were gay, they wouldn't be dating someone who looks like a woman," he points out, challenging common misconceptions. He speaks emotionally about overcoming his own internalized shame and learning to live authentically: "The highest value in life is time. If you only live to please people around you, you'll regret it."
Whether you're fascinated by Thailand's cultural complexities, curious about unconventional career paths, or interested in discussions of sexual identity beyond traditional labels, Michel's story offers a refreshingly honest perspective. Tune in to hear how embracing your truth—however unexpected or unconventional—might lead to your most authentic life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife
podcast.
I'm Mike and I'm still doingthis without my lovely, lovely
wife, sunari, but again Pim ishere.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi everyone, nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And we have a special guest today.
One of my best friends here inThailand.
Hello Michel, hello guys,pleasure to be in here.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, we've been waiting for that long time oh my
god, yeah, we spoke about itLong, long time.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It took a while.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It took a while.
Yeah, you busy, I'm busy, youknow.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm busy.
Yeah, so we're all busy alittle bit but we make it happen
now.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, I think we're all excited.
At least I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We are excited more than you, Okay okay let's see
Fairly.
So first of all, would you liketo introduce yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, of course my name is Michel.
I'm 40 years old, I'm fromGermany, but living in Thailand
for the past 15 years, so beforeOn Samui seven years, seven and
a half years, something likethat.
So I was like 27, pretty young,when I left my country and,
(01:10):
yeah, I wasn't even sure that Ican make it, you know what I
mean.
And then, after seven years,seven and a half years,
something like that, I moved toPattaya and then it started when
everything changed.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But, I'm sure we go deeper into that later.
We will go deeper.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I personally heard your story many times how
you came to form Samui and allthe stuff you had there, which
was not very easy.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And you learned by your own mistakes.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes, a few times, yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So I just want to know, like, what's the reason
you move to say scott somewhere,yeah, yeah yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The reason was actually because if you live
seven and a half years on abeautiful island, like somewhere
but every beauty place canactually be get kind of boring,
you know.
So you see every viewpoint, yousee every single rock on the
island, but after that, um, Idon't know, the excitement was
(02:13):
not there anymore and I wastraveling, uh, before a couple
of times, um, to pattaya.
And you cannot really competesamui with pattaya.
Pattaya is just like anothercraziness.
You know what I mean.
Samui is something for chill,especially when you be a couple
or something, but when you endup at the end on Samui, you end
(02:34):
up as a single.
So everybody knows your story,everybody knows your past
because the island is so small,right?
So?
And then I saw like, okay, sohere my story might be over and
let's open a new chapter inpattaya.
But I was overestimating the,the chances here.
I thought, oh, pattaya is sobig compared to samui, right?
(02:55):
So I thought, oh, it will takeso long that the people
recognize me, you know what Imean.
So I thought it will take years,yeah but actually it takes like
maybe three or four months andthen the people realize hey,
this dude is not on holiday,this dude living here, and then
then you get your reputation,you know good or bad?
Yeah, good or bad.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know what I mean, yeah, so so you do it by
yourself, yeah but in my opinion, if we compare for a second
pathaya, in some ways it is muchmore family-friendly yeah,
especially it's.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
It's developed that way.
So when I started living there,we had the tsunami just
recently in phuket.
So all the people from not all,but many people from phuket,
because there was everythingdestroyed, right, so they, they
went to samui, because before itwas more like a secret island,
knowing from backpackers.
So, and then all the lady, ladybars and all the women's,
(03:55):
everything was like explode onthat time.
You know what I mean more clubswas open, more bars was open
yeah more hotels, bungalows wasopen and that was the prime time
actually from samui and thepeople from samui thought, oh,
it would be not now all the timelike that, because they love
the island and they thinkeverybody will love and falling
(04:16):
in love with samui more thanphuket.
So but what they're notrealized that the people are
when phuket was like whenthey're building up everything
back to normal, so most of thepeople went back to phuket was
like when they're building upeverything back to normal, so
most of the people went back tophuket, so yeah, and then a lot
of buildings and bars andeverything just go like for
broke because it was not theamount of tourists anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
In some way no, it's not that big, because uh is this
is I can't.
I can can say this is the firstI know about how it's going on,
because I'm a Thai people butI've never been in Gossamoon.
I can't say oh, it's sobeautiful but yeah, if I get a
change, I want to be inGossamoon.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You have to go for it because even when I left, it
was like one smiling side, youknow, and one one crying eye,
because I had such, uh yeah, myfirst memories for actually
living in in thailand,everything started with samui.
My first holiday in thailand,everything was on samui, you
know.
(05:19):
So half of my heart is stillthere.
I have good friends still stillthere and um yeah, but, but
life goes, uh, goes on, you knowwhat I mean.
So you always have to,sometimes you, you have to close
a chapter to to open a new one,otherwise you cannot develop,
your, develop yourself, you knowyeah, and as I know, as you
(05:40):
told me before the first chapterwas, you actually opened a
bengal and a restaurant yeah, itfirst.
It first started with the, withthe restaurant, because my
budget was not much.
So I actually had a budget fromten thousand dollars, so it
wasn't.
It wasn't much what I actuallywon in the online poker
(06:01):
tournament uh, back the days inGermany, because I wasn't able
for my salary back then to saveany money.
But I not won the tournament, Ijust get second.
But the buy-in was like tendollars and then you have to pay
, play like 12 hours, you know.
So I play all night after workwas like crazy, from 8 pm and
(06:22):
until 8 am in the morning.
But then I actually called mydad and I said okay, I'm ready,
we can leave germany.
And he say how?
You still have no money.
And I say, now I have money.
And then he said like what,yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
and then I said like yeah, yeah, yeah but he did.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I deserved the first place.
This guy was lucky.
You know what I mean but, I, Istill take the 10 grand, you
know yeah, especially at the end, at the heads up.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I, I still take the 10grand, you know it was good yeah
, yeah, especially at the end,at the heads up.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, but with 10 000, Ithought that's the world.
I thought it's so much money,especially in thailand and then
I yeah, I was 26, 27, you know.
And then I figure it out like,oh my god, for lamai, this area.
So the busiest area on Samui islike called Shawang and we was
living always on Lamai and Lamaiwas like the second busiest
(07:10):
place and I thought like, okay,so you not go for Shawang, so
you go for Lamai.
And I thought like everythingwould be affordable because I
thought 10 000 US dollars somuch.
And then I figured it out withthe key money.
Even it's not like legal, buteveryone wants the key money.
Same like here in Pattaya ifyou take over a bigger business
and everything starts like froma million or whatever.
(07:31):
I saw like guys.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, a million baht.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Of course I say like guys, you are crazy or what so.
And then I figure it out.
Okay, so eight months I wassearching In Lamai in that area,
and there was no opportunity.
So and then I moved like to away more outside area called
Minam, yeah, and it was like theonly place that was affordable.
That was offer from anotherGerman guy and he built around
(07:56):
his bungalow a restaurant, yeah,but the cool thing was the rent
was really low.
So it was like 8,000 baht, butyou have a place to sleep and
you have the business around, soyou just have to make somehow
8,000 baht to pay the rent andeverything is in your pocket for
living, right?
(08:17):
So I thought like, okay, eventhis place is not like busy as
hell, but somehow you can figureit out.
So that's what I actually pay,my 10k on it, on this, and I
cannot even cook, so, yeah, butthis was yeah
Speaker 2 (08:31):
but, yeah, but this was like the only opportunity
that I had for that money.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but then I had goodfriends.
Uh, one of my friend is thaiand he was working in theara
it's like four or five starhotel, but he always had
problems because he was the sameage as me, like young, and
wanted to enjoy life andwhatsoever, and he quit the job
(08:56):
in the four or five star SentaraI don't know how many stars I
have right Just to come and workwith me and then we were
working together, you know,working together.
He was the chef and, yeah, itwas.
It was an adventure, butsomehow we make it work.
Yeah, for for about two yearsor something.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, yeah, two years , yeah, two years Long time.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, so I even learned then a little bit to
cook, but of course he was theone who cooked the Thai food and
everything, as you can.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of course, he was the one who cooked the thai food
and everything.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
As you can imagine, I was the one who talked to the
people and talk as much aspossible, because if we have
more orders, we had just him inthe kitchen, you know if we have
more people.
It takes a while.
So and I delayed it, yeah, andI tried to talk with him a lot.
You know that it's not soobvious that we are struggling
in the kitchen, right?
Yeah, it was chaotic sometimes,but it was still like, yeah, we
(09:49):
still make it work.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, it's good to try to do like.
Is this like you cooking beforeto?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
have a restaurant.
No, no, no.
I never cooked before, so theonly thing what uh was able to
do is like put the pizza in theoven or something, so you cannot
really call it cooking right.
So I just, um, yeah, learn alittle bit on the run, but he
was the one who, who, uh,actually have the part in the
kitchen and I know and I wasfiguring out, okay, how you make
(10:21):
cocktails and stuff like this.
so because it also sells good,it's good money.
So then I get all the receiptsfrom the internet and then I
teach myself, okay, how, withthe ingredients you have in
Thailand from 7-Eleven.
You know what I mean.
So you need to, yes, and thenyou can see how you can do it
with the things that Thailandgives you right?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, because some of your ingredients inside not
half.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
yeah, so that's why you need to do that a little bit
like in the freestyle way soyou make like every cocktail in
a thai way you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
it tastes similar.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the people love it yeah, it was
good, it makes you drunk.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It was okay, the people was happy, that's what
they want but yeah, it's aninteresting adventure which
eventually led you to somethingeven more interesting, in my
opinion oh, you're talking aboutthe resort.
No, oh, all the way all the wayafter the big jump because the
(11:19):
resort is interesting, but youdidn't do that alone, yeah the
interesting part come actuallywhen I started to actually
completely move over to the time.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, so I still did a couple of online things like
call agent, you know, but Inever did like the cold calls
that you sell something.
So always I tried to work forcompanies.
Well, like the people want you,you sell something.
So always I try to work forcompanies yeah, well, like the
people want you yeah, where thepeople actually want or expect
the call.
You know what I mean.
Because nobody yeah, becausenobody liked the cold leads.
(11:54):
You know you're annoying peopleto sell something.
There was never something thatwould make me happy on the long
run, so I yeah, the chances, bythe way, are really low, like
good salesmen skin instead maybefive percent of the old call.
Yes, you get so many negativefeedback first before you make
it, you know, and can reallysuck your mood down.
(12:15):
So that's why I never want todo something like that.
Yeah, then I actually was outsame like I did on some ways.
So I went out here in the club,I was dancing, do my shit, and
then I I actually met a guy whenI go back to the bar and he had
like a hard german accent whenhe spoke english to me and then
(12:35):
I figured out to me you'regerman, right?
And then, oh, you're german aswell.
So I say yeah, yeah, but he was.
He was he's younger than me, butthe way he impressed me was
like um, he actually was so open.
You know, he opened um reallyafter I met him, uh, the second
time.
So he, he told me already whathe actually did and and the
(12:56):
thing what he did was like hewas like a cam model.
Yeah, yeah, so, but hebasically said to me okay, bro,
I'm not gay, but most of the myviewers are actually guys, so
and I say, okay, okay, thatmakes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
He's a solo yeah, yeah, solo, yeah, solo.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So you just sit there and jerk off yeah, I think you
have to do a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You guys can imagine that, but we don't want to dig
deeper, yeah, but I mean I, Inever saw it, but he actually
told me like in a nutshell, what, what he do.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And then I say okay, okay.
And then he said to me, yeah,but you are good looking, you
actually could do the same.
And I was thinking like, okay,guy, first of all you are way
more younger than me and he'slike, of course I train, but
he's like more like trained thanme oh, he was more.
Yeah, yeah yeah, even now.
So it's yeah, yeah, still soyeah, but he could literally go
(13:59):
on stage and would be basicallywith the last five or six in the
class, um on stage.
Okay, because he's always likeripped, always have the six pack
and and always just like um ina in a in a in a, really yes, in
a in a really great shape.
So that's why, I compare myselfto him and I saw like bro you
sure?
And then he said why you're notgiving it a try?
(14:20):
You have nothing to lose.
And then somehow he came over,he set it up with me on the
laptop, so, and then of coursehe left because I want to do it
alone, right?
so and then, uh, yeah, yeah, butnot with the guy, so it's it's
not that interesting for me then, right?
So anyway, I I logged in and Isaw he was like because, yeah,
(14:44):
it was like chat a bit and uh,flirt flirt chat or something
like that.
I not remember the set, the, thesecond one, and then was live.
Jasmine was also there, so itwas like three websites, but the
best one was like actually likechat a bit.
That was the one that wasworking later.
So because first I was sittingthere and then you check out and
(15:08):
because he do it for so manyyears, so you build like a fan
base, that makes sense, right.
So I was sitting there you haveeverywhere yeah.
So, and basically I was sittingthere and in this underwear they
call it like jocks, you know,you have this.
It's like almost like a stringtongue, but your ass is open,
(15:30):
right, yeah, yeah.
So it was also new for me.
So when he, when he told melike I need to buy this before,
I said, like what the fuck is it?
So I have to Google it andsearched for it.
(15:51):
And then I figured out, ah,okay, this is how it looks like.
I said, okay, makes sense thatyour ace is not covered, all
right, all right.
So.
And then I was checking out howit works.
So I saw him at the, at thefront pages, right?
so if you have like maybe 50pages where you can switch and
you see all the models, andevery page had maybe like 30, 40
models right so and when Istart I was at the last pages,
so you can imagine I was sittingthere three, four hours and I
had maybe five to ten peoplecoming and they just come and go
(16:13):
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, then you comethen, then you come, uh, more,
more, uh at the front pages yes,how many followers you have
just going to you yes, but ifyou be there for a while, so you
(16:33):
have the followers and you cangive them an alert that you are
online, so then you get moreviewers and then you get.
That's why I say, if you, ifyou create a fan base, you will
be immediately when you'll beonline.
Just say, you have 2 000 people.
From 2 000 people, maybe 100shows up, so you're already on
the first five pages, so, andthen you grow from there.
Just how long you uh be online.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know what I mean, but anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I had no fans, I had nothing and uh, I ended up at
the last pages and then I wasworking four or five hours.
What means working?
You know, I was cheap, chattingwith the few people that enter
my room and you only make moneywhen they give you tip or when
they take you private.
So at the end of the day I wasworking four or five hours and I
(17:16):
get maybe 200 300 baht and Isaid like yeah, and I said like
what the you?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
know this is too long .
This is how long again?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
four or five hours four or five hours for 300 bucks
this is this is really bad it'sreally bad, don't forget that
people can record the screenyeah, so everyone can see you
and can see your pictures yeahyou use your privacy immediately
yeah that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean I was aware about that, but I also thought
like, okay, it would, might work.
I know it would be a struggleat the beginning, but it was
like a waste of time.
So, and then COVID hit us, soeverything was closed and I had
a lot of friends, especiallylady boyfriends, and I know they
was calling me and say, oh,michelle, can you help me with
(18:02):
500 baht or what.
So everyone was struggling.
So, and then 500 baht or what.
So everyone was struggling.
So then I thought like so I wassearching the page again and
then I thought it's all like, oh, okay, when couple doing that,
there are not so many couplesout there.
So I said like, okay, this is,this is a way, how to crack the
system.
You know what I mean.
So if you not do it as single,even you're popular or not if
you do it as a couple, then youwould be at the first three,
(18:27):
four pages and you go from thereexactly, you not have so many
competitors, right?
so I saw like, okay, that makessense.
So what I did?
So I invited the first lady boyon my sofa and I say, okay,
let's go, baby, put her in sexylingerie and we make the deal.
Okay, we share everything 50 50.
So I I explain her how it works,with the tokens, with the
exchange, whatsoever, and then,um, she, would speak english um,
(18:51):
yeah, some could the first one,the first one yes she was funny
, she was really funny and Iknow she was outgoing, so I know
like, okay, this is to tochoose her at the first to see
how it works.
I thought like this was be thebest choice.
So, anyway, and we was rockingit, so it was immediately like
after third page, second pagefirst, and then we have the most
(19:14):
viewers.
So we ended up with 1,000people was watching us, and this
is quite high number for that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And then we make like quite good money.
So we was working three, fourhours and everybody get like
3,000 to 5,000 baht each.
So this was like almost likeevery hour you get 1,000 each.
You know what I mean?
This is something you can workwith you know what I mean.
So I saw like, okay, that havepotential.
And I saw some people alreadystart to following me so I saw
(19:47):
like, oh, okay, you can reallyfast grow a fan base there.
What the people not expect wasthat I actually live in thailand
and that I know so many people,that I actually live in pattaya
, yeah, and there are so manyladyboys and there's not so many
ladyboys, so here's the poorladyboy.
Yeah, so the next day on my sofaanother ladyboy show up and
usually only couple doing that.
You know what I mean.
So everybody like what the.
You know yeah, yeah so, andthis was like more or less than
(20:09):
how long I did it, it was like arunning gag.
So the people just follow melike crazy yeah, and I really
want to know who the is now onmichelle's sofa you know what I
mean?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
yeah, yeah.
And then everybody how?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
we do that.
You know what I mean, yeah, howwe do that, but especially
because we had covet, it was theperfect circumstances because
everybody was struggling aboutmoney.
You know, it was so hard to getmoney, so even for myself.
And then somehow, um, the, the,the webcam stuff gets so
popular that, um, yeah, that theproduction company was
(20:43):
contacting me and they asked meare we looking for a western guy
who actually do porn withladyboys?
they saw you first on channelbecause it gets so popular and a
lot of people was talking aboutit in that scene and they were
struggling to find people whohave like a western looking, yes
(21:04):
, or european looking, and, andI was struggling to find people
who have like a Western looking,yes, a European looking, and um
doing that.
And then they asked me would youconsider maybe to try it?
And then I thought like okay,so I show my ass in front of a
thousand people.
Of course, if you go privateand you do like the act, yeah,
you actually have sex.
So you have only the one whotake you private yeah, they can.
(21:27):
Another one can buy cheaperprice, but he's not the director
so you only can watch, butmakes maximum.
You have two, three peoplewhere you have front of sex but
you actually have sex on yoursofa and you just have it in
front of the cam, but you notsee anyone so it's like
different right, no camera.
But of course you exposeyourself.
(21:49):
You're not living in anillusion, like okay, this are
not happening.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You see the numbers when I did shadowbait it was way
before it was 2011 or 12 andeveryone used masks.
Back then it was very popularfor the people to use masks on
Chateau Ben.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
When there'd be a couple, or also like singles,
some singles Okay, but I don'tbelieve that if you still have
people who do it without thepeople with without would be
always more successful.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm just saying , don't forget, there is like a
difference of eight yearsbetween those.
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, somestuff change, yeah it's always
changing.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's always changing.
Some stuff change.
Yeah, it's always changing,it's always changing anyway.
So then they was asking meabout, like um, could you, would
you consider to doing it?
And of course I take a littletime to to think about it
because I was aware about thatlike, if I expose myself, so
even it's like a one time thing,if you be one time out there,
you'll be out there forever.
(22:53):
Yeah, you know so, I even knowit from the camming, but I never
show sex in front of thecamming, so it's a different
thing.
So, even okay, then maybe they,they would be able to record
the private show, but it's, it'sstill not like you not get so
exposed, same, same, you'redoing it, like you know, in a,
in a real pawn.
Anyway, I, I was considered andthe money, what they offered me
(23:18):
, was really low, um, but Iactually did it and um, I, I, I
go for it because I thought,like the way they explained it
to me is like they, they need aguy on the long run.
So for for the model, for thelady boy, it's like, okay, we
use you for a job, yeah, andthen maybe in two or three
(23:39):
months, if your video is popular, we use you again.
But if they don't have aeuropean looking guy, so all the
time when they come with a newmodel and they do it like every
two week or whatever, so youhave a new job.
So that that's why I thought,like okay, that could be
something that could bedeveloping something bigger yeah
, you know, of course.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, so I would, I would, I would to know, like um,
when you have like ladyboymodels who are shooting with you
, is it is this um from themcontact you to help with
sometime, or your your find themthrough?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
me.
So, basically, when I start withthe production company, they
arranged everything because, Iwas not in the driver's seat, so
I was actually also like amodel that get booked right.
And they told me just like inadvance.
They send me pictures and saylike, oh, this is the model,
because some of the models Ialready knew, yeah, so, and then
I say like, oh, okay, okay andum, at the beginning, um, I was
(24:41):
really shy.
I was not shy like being there,but I was shy like I say to
them like, do you need a guy whodo like top and bottom?
So fuck and get fucked, yeah.
Or they say, oh, basicallywe're looking for someone who
gets fucked.
And I say like, okay, that'sthe easiest part.
So, because even your cock ishard or not hard, so if you just
(25:05):
need to like, you know, givethem your ass, yeah.
So yes so because you're nervous, you know what I mean.
We just say it before we'restarting this podcast.
All the people here have a cock.
Because you're nervous, youknow what I mean.
We just say it before westarting this podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, so you are not the stargazer yeah, I have also.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, no, I understand, no, but we even say
it before the podcast start.
Right, Be exciting.
So of course when you do it youhave to understand.
So there are two, threelightnings.
You have the camera operatoractually not move, so you have
to show them the angle.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So and you have sex in weird positions which looks
great in front of the camera,but it's totally unnaturally and
you would never do it you knowwhat I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
so yes, and this and everything, have like a plan how
to do it, and usually you nothave sex with a plan.
You go with your passion, yougo with your emotions.
You know what I mean and you gowith the flow.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
You figure it out on the way, but you not really have
a plan.
But there's okay, we do likethis.
Okay, now I'll stop.
I need to change the pictures,so, and everything needs to be
still stable.
That is natural, no, and I sawlike when I saw it the first
time, I saw like, okay, you willnever get like hard with this.
You know, even you take kamago,but even you take like any pill
or whatever.
You know what I mean your headtaking over.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
You cannot relax so that's what I'm thinking yes,
you're just thinking, you stressyourself.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So that's why I was really, really glad to know that
they're not need me as a top,so bottom would be fine, so, and
I went for it, you know so.
And then I basically hadanother offer from a different.
It was like also like aproduction company, but in a way
more smaller way, so it wasonly one guy, and this guy was
(26:49):
from Russia, he was not evenhere and he let me manage
everything, so he provided themoney and he paid me and I was
exactly so.
So I was making like I checkedthe location out.
Then I find a camera operator.
(27:10):
We even changed them um theequipment okay so we use better,
better cameras, and and howlonger this journey together
lasts, how, how more we weactually updated the, the set up
.
Yeah, yeah, upgraded the setup.
So yeah, basically, I alwayswas on the hunt to find the
(27:30):
models you know, and then, uh,of course, I had the nice
locations and to have a cameraoperator, because now, over I
doing it like almost five years,four and a half years,
something like that specificwith with the Russian guy, and
we have to change, like thecamera operators, a lot, because
(27:53):
there was always like anincident oh, now I have a
boyfriend, my boyfriend isjealous, you know even the guy
saw her first on the porn moviewith me, you know, and and then
when they start to be togetherhe start to be super jealous and
I just say like all the time,oh you building, because they
also get paid, you know, andevery week we were shooting.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I want to understand normally your camera operator
are ladies or ladyboys no, alsoladyboys, because we always have
camera two and three.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So we, we have two other cameras in the background,
yeah, but on a stand and um, we, we had like different choices.
So later we, um, we sell andalso the making of movie, and
then you, that's why we alsodress the camera girl in a in a
sexy disuse, sexy lingerie,because um some posts that she
(28:42):
need to make to to reach furtherto the action.
You know she pop up her ass, soyou, you see her boobs or
whatever.
So it's always sexy to see how,how actually she moving around
it then you see all thelightning and for the people is
always like exciting to not onlysee the end product.
People are also curious yes likecurious how you do it.
(29:04):
You know what I mean eventiktok people.
They do like the tiktok fromthe main camera and then they
make the making of and still,most of the time the making of
get more views than actually avideo, because the people are
curious how you're doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Because they feel it's more personal.
Yes, I can see how everythingworks.
Yeah, you're not cut.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So, they're basically here when you cut and they see
how the scene continues.
So how you do it after, how youexplain what to do before, and
we do a photo shooting before.
So they see the photo shootingand in the photo shooting at the
end the girl needs to have ahard dick.
So I suck her, but youbasically will not see it on the
main camera, but behind thescenes when we cut everything
(29:44):
together.
So you see it and then sheposts with the dick and
everything so so.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So normally, how long to take how?
How many hours to take onevideo?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
It depends.
So it's like if you make athreesome it takes about three
hours, three and a half hours,because we need like two girls
with the photo shoot and wechange the dress, like the
lingerie, twice, and so we makethe first scene.
So first we put them in thefirst lingerie outfit, right, we
make the pictures.
(30:16):
Both of them need cock hard.
Then we explain the scene, whatwe want to do in the first part
.
First part is done, so it'salready like an hour or
something passed away, and thenwe change the outfit and we we
push on repeat, so we we repeateverything again, right, so we
make the picture, cock hard, andthen the last scene with the
cum shot.
(30:36):
I see, yeah, and when we doone-on-one, so it's basically
like most of the time it's twohours.
Yeah, it can be a little bitlonger because some of the lady
boys, they have the issuebecause the environment, as I
explained, is not normal, andthen they have maybe problem to
come, so and it can take alittle longer, and then of
(30:56):
course we need to cut ittogether that looks like from
like, from like through,uncomfortable, through like, uh,
yeah, yeah yeah, think about itlike that yeah, you see
Speaker 2 (31:05):
the jay king yeah, and then you just take the last.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Let's say one minute, yes, yes so and we stay in
position, yeah, so that we cancut it together, so that it does
not look like that.
She actually struggled Becauseas a viewer, of course, if you
see the making of video, I keepit a little bit longer, but I
also not when she needs like 30minutes to do it.
I not give them 30 minutes.
You know what I mean.
It makes no sense Because youstill want to keep the
(31:30):
excitement alive.
You know what I mean, yeah, andwhat you still want to keep the
excitement alive.
You know what I mean, yeah, andwhat I can say, like I started
as a, as a bottom, and thenafter three months, when I
actually start planningeverything myself.
So it was different, because Ihad a camera operator.
I want her to move before whenI do it with the production, she
stand with the camera, she putit in an angle and we need to be
(31:52):
in a weird angle yeah, and Ithought, okay, that's weird,
yeah, and the videos also wasreally short.
And, um, I say, okay, when wedo it, we do it differently.
So we have the moving camera,so I want that she are able to
move and we have the twostanding cameras for behind on
the scene so that we can makethe making of video and
(32:12):
whatsoever.
Right, yeah, yeah, and how moreconfident, how longer I I made
it, how more confident I I wasin the environment.
And then, um, there was, likeafter almost three months,
models say to me yeah, I'm topand everything.
So I, I was like always like Ineed to plan it right because
some of the lady was the onlybutton so, and then somehow she
(32:35):
was so overwhelmed fromeverything and I said okay,
relax, and but her cock notworking, oh yeah even if she do
come out.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, but but she was like you know, and I
mindset was not there.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, but I could feel her because this is exactly
in the shoes that I was all thetime before.
But I was looking down then andmy cock was like rock hard and
I said like hey brother, thereyou go, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
This is how I know you because he get used to it.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You know, for him was the normal, so and then I saw
like okay, no problem, then youare bottom.
She look at me.
Okay, she was happy that we doit.
You know what?
I mean so and my cameraoperator look at me surprises
yeah, look at me girl.
Yeah, yeah yeah, and then it wasactually the first video that I
beat a pure top and when Ipassed that one, so then my mind
(33:22):
just switched and from fromthat moment on I know, okay, now
I'm back to normal, so and Ican do both.
So now most of the time I tryto make it make like top and
bottom, so we make like both ofthe content, but if the cock
from her not work, then ofcourse, then I'm pure top.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So if you have only bottom, lady boy, you are just
going top.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, but I know the most popular thing is if we
switch it, so we give them, wegive the audience, like both top
and bottom, yeah, or the best.
The most popular scenario islike if the lady boy is really
dominant, so I'm just bottom,and if she are able to speak
well english, then it's like didshe not even have?
(34:09):
to yes, of course, you know whatI mean so a little, so like a
little bit role play.
You know, if we do it likeshe's the mistress, I'm the
slave, how more she is like inthe role, like I'm controlling
you, how more excited is it forthe viewers.
So this is, are the the videos?
They go like super viral.
And I make the best experiencewith the ladyboys who actually
(34:30):
from the philippines because, asyou know, the filipinos, they
can speak english is.
This is the second languageright exactly yeah, so that's
why, and they know how to do ityou know, I had like one movie
with amadora and she was beforeor she still is a really popular
cam model on life.
(34:51):
Yes, mean and of course she islike an escort, but she never
did porn so she only did it withme.
But we did now three or fourvideos because she's so popular
On the time frame about the lastthree years or something.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
She comes here or you go there.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, she's in Bangkok.
And then I always say like,okay, take the taxi, we booked a
hotel and then you get paid.
She's in Bangkok.
And then I always say like,okay, take the taxi, we book the
hotel and then you get paid,and of course also for the
transfer and everything, so thewhole package.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
so we actually take care of it and then it's an easy
thing so how you think aboutwhen people say if a man has a
date with a ladyboy and had adate with a ladyboy and they say
he's a gay.
So how do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I think, like if guys who really are into ladyboys,
if they would be gay, you knowwe're not dating someone who
looks like a woman, so it makesno sense.
So I'm not attracted to men, soI'm attracted to women and I'm
attracted to ladyboys Because inmost of the cases the ladyboys
(36:05):
are even hotter, because theymake so much surgery you know
what I mean than the real woman.
They have attention to be yes,and especially if you figure out
, if you're not shy and ifyou're not let the society
taking over your free mind, yourspirit.
You know what I mean, yeah, Iguess no yeah, and if you are
(36:26):
open enough to experience withyour, with your, with yourself,
with your own body, and youfigure it out that you actually,
as a man, like to havesomething in the ass because we
have a g-spot in the ass, so thewoman, the woman, have it in
the pussy, but the mans are soafraid to just figure their own
body out because the society sayimmediately oh, if you put
(36:48):
something in your ass, you gay,yeah it's.
It's strange, but our societysay it like this yeah and I put
so much pressure on the peoplebut I just say fuck it, because
I figure it out, like, oh, itfeels amazing.
Yeah, even the orgasm is likeon a different level.
So, and um, yeah, then I madethe first experience with the,
(37:08):
with ladyboys, back then onsamoy because, of course, at the
, at the beginning I was likereally struggling and I was shy
when I saw the first ladyboy inmy life in the front of a
cabaret show.
She was so beautiful and I saidlike oh, my god, wow, you're
the most beautiful girl I everthought uh, saw in my life.
And then I was like shy talkingto her, you know, and I went to
(37:31):
the cabaret show and after thecabaret show, so she put my you
know labels they're always open,you know she put my hand
between between her legs and say, like the most ladyboy, open,
yeah, yeah and and let me touchher balls, her.
I was thinking like, oh my god.
So I was like in shock, I moreor less run away so and then I
need to process what's happened,you know.
So I go back in in my bungalowand process and I say like, oh
(37:55):
my.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
God, you went there to jerk off, come on.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, why not, of course, in the night later on?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, when the shock was gone.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Of course it excites me and everything, but I ask
myself because?
I have so much pressure from thesociety.
Oh, my God, michelle, what'sgoing on with you?
Are you gay or what?
So I need to figure out formyself first what's going on,
(38:25):
and I need also, like um, someyears to have the confident to
actually be in public with uh,with the lady boy.
And that's why I always say tothe lady boys give the guys some
credit, because you need tounderstand you.
Somehow, on the way when yougrow up, you figure it out like,
oh, I don't want to be a man, Ifeel more like a woman and you,
and, and your journey starts,yeah.
So the journey from a guy whois attractive to a ladyboy
(38:48):
starts not that early.
It starts with the firstexperience.
You know what I mean and ineurope, I'm from germany when I
say I never saw ladyboys there,they would look like me in
lingerie.
Would I look like a lady boy?
No, you know what I mean prettymasculine and ugly.
You know what I mean nobody wasthinking I'm a hot lady boy,
yeah.
So my first experience startbasically on my first holiday
(39:11):
when I was 25.
So and then I need like two,three years to figure it out how
I can deal with it.
So first I do it secretlybecause if you're so young you
not feel so confident withyourself.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And you get the pressure.
You said that the societymostly dictate how you need to
think about yourself, how youneed to act and it's a problem
and also your friends, so all myfriends around there on some
way.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Nobody was into ladyboys, so I was.
I was with that, like basicallywith this kind of feeling,
basically um, by myself, so Ineed to figure it out.
That's why I was shy in frontof my friends, so like to really
show them what, what are mydesires.
You know what I mean.
Of course I like women.
Yeah, I'm into women, but I alsolike ladyboys.
I'm into ladyboys, yeah, so,and that's actually what I find
(40:01):
out on the go how to deal withit, you know, because what most
of the people not realize.
So everybody like chasing themoney.
You know what I mean.
They think like the highestvalue in life is to be rich and
get the money.
But the the highest value inlife is time, and if you only
live to please the people aroundyou the society.
(40:24):
You will regret it and I regretthe the two, three years that I
was struggling and I say I wantto change it, I want to change
it.
And then I say, okay, if thepeople have a problem with it,
if my friends have a problemwith it, then they are not real
friends and then we go separateways.
Yeah, and since that I keep myinner circle really small,
(40:45):
because you also get like um, Idon't know from, from the people
around you.
You know what I mean.
They put you, even without yourealizing it.
They put you in different paths, in different directions.
They judge you, yeah, in a goodway or bad way, just think about
the situation I explained toyou when I met the guy who was
(41:06):
the model at the camp show.
If I would not meet him, Iwould never sit here and would
go this way.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Right, right, I would never sit here and would go
this way.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know what I mean and he's still one of my best
friends Because I knoweverything that builds up from
that moment that we met.
You know what I mean hassomething to do with him.
If I would not leave Samui backthen I would never meet him, I
would never go this direction,Of course.
Yeah, but this is how life goes.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
If you open yourself up for more, more opportunities
will come in your way.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know, I'm proud, butI'm just I, just I'm very proud
of you, about your stand, byyour open yeah, I'm actually now
be also like proud that I dealwith it so openly.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
You know what I mean, especially.
Come on now.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I'm old, I'm 40, so it's like you know, you look
like you you have to do it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
You look very good for 40, okay, thank you.
Thank you, I will invite youfor a drink later I hold it to
you, okay, okay, and I haveanother question.
So you said before you areattracted to ladyboys and ladies
, yeah, In your movies you aredoing also.
Sometimes you bring ladies over.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Because everything started with, like, the ladyboys
and then how I explain it toyou guys.
So I did it then only withladyboys, and the reason why is
simple how long are you doing it?
You have this specific fan baseand my specific fan want to see
lady.
Yes, so if I give them a woman,even she's smoking hot, they
(42:44):
would say okay, you, sir, butmake a threesome and show us a
lady boy.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Three sons with ladies no, this is what I want
to do in the future, but it'sreally hard to find a woman who
is actually open-minded enoughto doing it.
Even we have so many models, somany girls, women, who, who
working in the same industry,but to do that, even it would be
on her end a really popularcontent.
Um, it's, it's really hard toto make it happen.
(43:12):
I know for some ladyboys.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And also for the ladyboys yes, Some ladyboys will
not fuck women.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
No, no.
Also, when I make a threesomewith two ladyboys, it's not
always the time that the ladyboyinteract with each other so
many times it's also like thatthey only interact with me, so
I'm then in the middle of theattention.
I mean it's awesome.
But many people also like whenthe, when the ladyboys do
(43:37):
something together, but then Ialways respect the boundaries.
I ask what is possible it'svery hard.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, because I because ladyboys want a guy yeah
, right, like man, like I saidbefore, yeah so, and ladyboys is
a different thing.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
So, but you always find some ladyboys.
They are not into it butthey're open.
They say I do it, I do it forthe, for the movie.
You know, I can do it with afriend.
We do like many times threesome, so it's always possible to
doing it.
So this is not so outlandish toto make this kind of content.
So I have it.
I make it a lot of times, butnever so far with the woman.
But it's still on my bucketlist on top because I know it
(44:11):
would be super popular becauseit's not so many videos out
there that the woman is involvedin in this kind of tree
sunlight yeah, I understandwould you do something like that
?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm not in movies, I mean yeah, if you say now yes,
you are already I can say I havesome with lady friend, but I
did not have with her.
I did not have to say with her,just like she was yeah, with
other guy than me, so weattractive with guy doesn't like
(44:46):
we.
We together have fun together,but not have have sex together
okay just you know, I mean likeattractive to the man.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
So you guys were both playing with the guy at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, right and with other ladyboys.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's a no-go for you.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Probably this is not not easy to happen, right?
Because ladyboy she was toowith a guy.
Anyway, if it happens to havetreason, it's not being like
have to have sex, but maybe oralyeah, that is happening?
Uh happen more than have sextogether for treason with two
(45:27):
lady boy, one guy like that yeah, I mean oral.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
They still can close the eyes and can imagine it's a
dick from a guy, right?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
so you guys could do that.
Yeah, make yours.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
May you have sweet dreams yeah, and now I know that
you're on a certain platform.
I don't know if you want tomention which platform you are
on, but I know that this is oneof the most popular platforms on
earth right now for this kindof content.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, it's really popular.
But I mean I've been on almostevery other porn website but,
and for years, right, so I'monly fans to call the baby by
the name is basically the onethat I start to be the latest.
(46:17):
So I've been there only for oneand a half years or something.
And the other platforms?
I'm almost there for four and ahalf, almost five years, but
none of them even.
I have like almost 200 videosuploaded there over the time.
None of them pay just close towhat's what's going on on
(46:41):
OnlyFans.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Okay it's crazy, your main income is from OnlyFans.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yes, it's like of course I could pay, like, all my
expenses from the otherplatforms, but I could not live,
um, such a lavish life, yes,such like a hilti lifestyle, if,
if only fans would not be inthe picture.
It's really crazy, but it's not.
This is what I say to my, to mymodels, because they know that
(47:09):
I pay them.
They see how I live or when webe in a hotel or whatever.
They see that they can imaginemaybe.
And then they say, oh yeah, canyou help me to set up OnlyFans
or something like this?
So first of all, I think, likeokay, in the century we're
living, so you can get all theinformation from OnlyFans.
(47:30):
Nobody show me how to do it, Iteach myself everything on the
go.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
You know what I?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
mean.
So if you really want to do it,you can educate yourself online
.
Yeah, but I I have no problemwith that, that.
I help you to set it up, butthe, the imagination, what the
models have is like.
Once I set it up, the moneycomes from alone.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
But you really really do, Now I can say I'm
successful.
Yes, but the people don't know.
So I'm working basically everyday for it, like three, four
hours, and I'm not counting thenthe hours that I'm actually be
on some dating platforms to findthe new model.
(48:15):
And if I'm talking to 10 models, just say it, maybe three will
be okay with it.
Not every ladyboy say yo, I gofor it.
Many ladyboys have concernabout the family, see it or
whatever, and even they're inthe industry of oh, I'm
freelancing, so you know I makethe money with in the sex
(48:37):
industry.
But there I have a concerns, andthe it's our concerns that I
can 100 understand.
Even I need them as a model,but I understand their thoughts
and what they worry about,especially for them if they're
not set up, only friends andthey just do it.
It's basically what I explainedyou at the beginning.
(48:59):
So me, as a male actor, I'mmore busy because the main focus
from the, from the viewerperspective, are the models.
So the models if the modelschange all the time, how it is
in my case, it's perfect.
They don't care about me,they're not really a fan about
me.
You know what I mean.
I'm like, I'm like yeah, I'mokay, you know, they're okay,
(49:23):
I'm there.
They imagine that there wouldbe on my, on my place, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
They're looking for a new yes, but it's yeah new
faces.
So basically, when?
Speaker 3 (49:34):
she agrees to do it, her video will stand in the
internet forever.
So if she's not doing somethingwith it, so she's not planning
her future to doing it, then ofcourse it's a high risk.
Even I pay them.
Good, but it's still a highrisk for this one-time payment.
Of course, if the video ispopular, as I say I explained
(49:54):
before, amadora the filipinogirl, um, she's so popular so we
make four videos in about threeyears, something like this.
But of course it's like youknow, it's like a payday every
six months or something.
You know what I mean.
It's also not something steadyincome yes yeah.
So that's why I alwaysunderstand when they um, when
they don't want to do it, andI'm never angry, because so many
(50:17):
times I realized, um, that they, that they contact me like a
year later and ask me, oh,because I don't know, maybe they
have money problem, maybe thethe mindset up changed, just it
can.
Many things can happen in lifethat change your mind.
I had many girls that I wastalking with but we keep in
(50:39):
touch on social media orsomething, and then out of
nowhere they're coming andtexting me and then we make it,
and then, of course, I'm happy,you know what I mean, because
you get new faces.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Then I don't need to search for the for the upcoming
movie yeah, you know but I Ibasically shoot the movie like
every week, so you can imaginehow uh stressful this sometimes
could be to uh always find everyweek a new face yeah, without
mentioning names.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, which is like if you can say what, what of
your?
Which one of your models shotthe most videos with you?
How many videos were that?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
amadora is on top before.
Um then, okay, you don't wantto mention names.
No, I think like four or fivevideos is like in a in a time
frame between two or three years, something like that.
Yeah, so you're really changingfaces all the time yeah, so I'm
(51:44):
happy to use them again, likefor threesomes.
Then I had I model.
I had one model.
She was like she was.
She can change by wearingdifferent kind of weeks, like
changing the hair color, and shealways looked like a different
person like a new style everyweek, so I had her on Instagram
(52:05):
so and we was, we shot the firstmovie.
She had like black, like reallylong hair, and then I saw her on
the birthday party and she hadblonde hair and I was like yes,
and I saw that, and I saw thisgroup picture and I contacted
her and from there was 20ladyboys on this group picture
and I contacted her and I saycould you give me the contact
(52:26):
details from the girl?
It was a little bit far becauseit was a group picture.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, you need to bring all the people, so it was
a little bit far.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
But I was a group picture.
Yeah, you need to bring all thepeople, so it was a little bit
far.
But I say can you give me thecontact details from the blonde
lady boy, because I would liketo shoot with her?
And then she say are you joking, michelle?
I say why?
She say that's me.
I say no way.
Yeah, yeah, I say okay okay,then I say let's next time,
(52:54):
because you look totallydifferent.
Yeah, didn't you?
can be like new face, yeah, newface.
And everybody was like wow,yeah, I even named her
differently really yes and thepeople go for it yeah, so I give
her a completely differentthinking yeah, I give her
because I was like not, and thenthe movie was like maybe like
four months or something betweenyou know what I mean.
Of course it's still in thelibrary, yeah, but you could
(53:15):
hard compare so you not have anytattoos.
You know, it's really hard tocompare like oh, it's because
you look so different.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Well, we can a little bit different break up.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah, it will be exactly so I make like a few
different hairs with her, so shehad black she had like red, she
had blonde, and then we put heron two threesomes, so that's
why she come on the count offive so girl did not stop to be
pretty.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Change your style every week if you can.
Every man gonna interest in youbecause you have the booties
and blowing up booty more.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, then we love recognize you and just eat on
you again, which is also apossibility.
Yes, that's so true.
I want to ask you somethingthat I always wondered like in
your videos, do you go backbareback or condom?
Because I want to know aboutthe safety issues, like um, both
.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
So I'm be on prep since, um, some way okay, a
friend of mine introduced me toit because back then it wasn't
so popular as it is right now.
So we're talking about backthen, like now I live here like
five years, so before five years, so seven years ago, something
like this.
So I be on prep.
(54:28):
But of course you can.
So it's prevent 99 pointwhatever percent prevent you to
get hiv.
But of course you can.
So it's prevent 99 pointwhatever percent prevent you to
get HIV.
But of course you can get otherdiseases, but, lucky so far, I
don't get any other diseasesfrom any diseases.
Yeah, from from from that.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Okay, yeah, so it's like I'm guessing you're
checking yourself regularly yeah, every three months.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
You know there's a clinic, not so far and then you
can like, but then I do it likealso not the blood, so you also
can check the or in so likereally make a full checkup but I
never have a full checkup fromthe models.
So it's like, of course is's arisk thing.
Yeah, a little risk is alwaysinvolved.
So if you do it in the usa, soyou always should have like the
(55:21):
latest test like from the fewdays.
You know what I mean.
This is how you usually thoseare the four.
Yeah, this is how you should doit.
You know what mean, but becauseyou do it like by yourself and
you do it here in Thailand, soit's just like a different thing
.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
You know what I mean.
So you have to pay for it, fortaste, or yeah, for the taste
and also for the prep.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
But I always have it like stocked, like in advance,
like for 12 months, for a yearperiod, but you need to take it
like every day.
But I've been recently to thedoctor and it have an effect on
your kidney but, they say mykidney is still fine and I take
it supplements for the kid yeah,also okay so to anti-toxic the
(56:12):
liver and, uh, the kidney, butthey say everything is fine.
And if you consider that theytake it like over seven years so
and it's had no side effects,you know, yeah but you, you're a
healthy guy, right, you'rekeeping yourself in shape,
you're eating good.
It's also part of that, yeahsure, this is a the whole
package.
You know what I mean.
(56:32):
But I just can say that it haveno side effects and everybody
who's not aware about what prepis.
So you basically have to takeit, like every day at the same
time and after seven days youtake it, you have the full
coverage 99 something percentthat you are not be able to get
hiv even you have sexintercourse with someone who
(56:56):
have it so yeah especially in inthe industry as a man, when you
a woman, yeah, the percentageis so small that you can get it,
but if you be, a man and youget
that's why so many gay peoplehave it.
So the chance to get it is likeway higher, yeah, right, so,
because, also, for the woman ishigher because she yeah, because
(57:19):
you insert it, right, yeah, sothat's the, that's the thing.
So, and when I figured out thatI'd be into ladyboys and some
stuff like this and like it bothways, so of course, then I was
like really happy that my friendintroduced me to crap, yeah
yeah, yeah, because back thenthere are a lot of people that
say that, because back then.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
It changed their life .
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, because back then I not hear about it at all.
I wasn't even aware that theyhave just one pill and they can
make you superman immune againstit.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
It's crazy.
I know that many people aretaking it.
I know many, even people thatcome to vacations in Thailand a
week before they start taking itback home and then they just
come here.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
I had some fans.
They actually asked me the same.
They said to me oh, michel, youmake so many bareback videos
and how you do that?
Because they're planning alsothem to come, and then I just
recommend them and then they say, wow, okay, good to know.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Because many people.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, I do also but you tell me where you get it for
free, right?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
yeah, what's high people get it for free on a
swing clear.
Is it for free for Thai people?
Taste for free?
Hormones taste for free?
Speaker 3 (58:32):
oh wow, and prep test for free also oh, you get the
hormone for free as well andthis is about, like taste,
hormone, hormone tastes thisthat's the hormone.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, taste the hormones.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, okay, yeah, right but and you can do like
everything, like a privacy, ohyeah, what depends on?
Use yourself.
Yeah, if you shake, then you onprep.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
So you can check and if you have a, I say like a
negative taste, yeah, yeah, soyou can get prep if you if you
if you need it for free for Thaipeople.
Yeah, that's cool.
It's very good, especially in acity like Pattaya.
It's amazing that there is aprogram like that.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, but if everybody would take it, so
there would not be in 15, 20years HIV anymore.
So it would be yeah, becausenobody can get infected.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, but sadly and I know we want to be a happy
podcast and stuff like that yeahsadly, I know few people that
got it in the last three yearshere.
Oh, by the way, ladies, so manypeople like.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
I don't know the exact numbers, but yeah, yeah,
yeah, sure, I think, to makesure you are protected.
I think it's still a disease,that it's still around here and,
as you say, especially inPattaya, because it's like the
biggest sex city.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is normally a big fuck hole
, but it's a nice place this iswhy we come here, come on yeah
yeah, there's one part of it,one big part of it so.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Patria is mean freedom, is it?
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
more than freedom, more than freedom for me, patria
, it's not only freedom.
I think it's well.
I consider it my second homebecause I have a lot of friends
here, okay, and I really likethe environment and you can
always find something to do, notonly the sex part of the city.
There are many attractions here, very good restaurants over
(01:00:38):
here yeah very good places justto sit and wind up and relax and
it's so much cheaper.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
You know you, you can here afford that.
You can go like every day to arestaurant cheaper compared to
what you mean yeah, europe,germany, where I come from.
So in europe I I could notimagine how I could afford that
I can have three meals in arestaurant every day yeah and
here's like not a big issue youknow if you're not yeah, I want
to say, if you're not eat likesteak, you know what I mean.
(01:01:04):
But if you like, go for thaifood.
Yeah, it's so cheap in someplaces of course you get always.
You can get it like triple theprice or whatever.
But still the price is stillvery cheap.
Yeah, it's still cheap mine for150 baht.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
It's still your thing , wow yeah, it's still like you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
You really think like , oh, should I really cook by
myself?
You know, what I mean yeah,like when I make like breakfast
or something.
But here in my condo is evennext to the pool, is even a
restaurant and they are so cheap.
So they make me even more lazythan I was before since I moved
here I liked it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I like it, yeah, it's nice yeah yeah, it's a really
nice life.
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
If you're living in thailand, it's like I don't know
.
You get used to it so quickly.
That's why we call it like Thaifever, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah Thai fever.
Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I have it from the first time I came here.
That's why I was so glad that Imake it somehow happened to
live in Samui.
Samui was the first place and Ihad the Thai fever, immediately
I come out from the airport andlike Thai fever.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
you know you are always trying to convince me to
go to samui.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I have my personal reasons, yes, but you always
tell me, one day we will make ithappen I will be your tour
guide yeah, yeah, I have to goback I need to surprise my
friends over there like justcome just come unexpected.
Yeah, yeah, but I still notgive a time frame, right, michel
?
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
first of all, I want to thank you for doing that.
I think, we can do another partsometime, because we have a lot
to talk we always have a lot totalk, always when we meet each
other.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
That's why I was thinking like, okay, that will
be a walk in the park.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Thank you so much is there something that you want to
say to our listeners?
Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I don't know.
Guys, I hope.
I hope you like it.
I hope it was interesting foryou guys to listen to my story
and if you never have been toThailand, we welcome you to
Thailand and hope to see youaround, guys great way to end
this.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
This is very great today.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Do you have anything to say?
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Oh well, thank you everyone.
Listeners, this podcast is mysecond time to make it and I
made it everyone.
I'm so proud of myself and I'mvery thank you to Mike and
Michel today.
You're more than welcomeMichelle to make my second
episode work and.
I promise I gonna work hardmore and we gonna have more
(01:03:41):
episode coming soon.
Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Some very good things planned in the near future.
Yeah so, guys, thank you forlistening and see you next time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Bye, bye.
Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife
podcast.
I'm Mike and I'm still doingthis without my lovely, lovely
wife, sunari, but again Pim ishere.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi everyone, nice to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And we have a special guest today.
One of my best friends here inThailand.
Hello Michel, hello guys,pleasure to be in here.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, we've been waiting for that long time oh my
god, yeah, we spoke about itLong, long time.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It took a while.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
It took a while.
Yeah, you busy, I'm busy, youknow.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I'm busy.
Yeah, so we're all busy alittle bit but we make it happen
now.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, I think we're all excited.
At least I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We are excited more than you, Okay okay let's see
Fairly.
So first of all, would you liketo introduce yourself?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, of course my name is Michel.
I'm 40 years old, I'm fromGermany, but living in Thailand
for the past 15 years, so beforeOn Samui seven years, seven and
a half years, something likethat.
So I was like 27, pretty young,when I left my country and,
(01:10):
yeah, I wasn't even sure that Ican make it, you know what I
mean.
And then, after seven years,seven and a half years,
something like that, I moved toPattaya and then it started when
everything changed.
You know what?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But, I'm sure we go deeper into that later.
We will go deeper.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And I personally heard your story many times how
you came to form Samui and allthe stuff you had there, which
was not very easy.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And you learned by your own mistakes.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yes, a few times, yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So I just want to know, like, what's the reason
you move to say scott somewhere,yeah, yeah yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
The reason was actually because if you live
seven and a half years on abeautiful island, like somewhere
but every beauty place canactually be get kind of boring,
you know.
So you see every viewpoint, yousee every single rock on the
island, but after that, um, Idon't know, the excitement was
(02:13):
not there anymore and I wastraveling, uh, before a couple
of times, um, to pattaya.
And you cannot really competesamui with pattaya.
Pattaya is just like anothercraziness.
You know what I mean.
Samui is something for chill,especially when you be a couple
or something, but when you endup at the end on Samui, you end
(02:34):
up as a single.
So everybody knows your story,everybody knows your past
because the island is so small,right?
So?
And then I saw like, okay, sohere my story might be over and
let's open a new chapter inpattaya.
But I was overestimating the,the chances here.
I thought, oh, pattaya is sobig compared to samui, right?
(02:55):
So I thought, oh, it will takeso long that the people
recognize me, you know what Imean.
So I thought it will take years,yeah but actually it takes like
maybe three or four months andthen the people realize hey,
this dude is not on holiday,this dude living here, and then
then you get your reputation,you know good or bad?
Yeah, good or bad.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know what I mean, yeah, so so you do it by
yourself, yeah but in my opinion, if we compare for a second
pathaya, in some ways it is muchmore family-friendly yeah,
especially it's.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
It's developed that way.
So when I started living there,we had the tsunami just
recently in phuket.
So all the people from not all,but many people from phuket,
because there was everythingdestroyed, right, so they, they
went to samui, because before itwas more like a secret island,
knowing from backpackers.
So, and then all the lady, ladybars and all the women's,
(03:55):
everything was like explode onthat time.
You know what I mean more clubswas open, more bars was open
yeah more hotels, bungalows wasopen and that was the prime time
actually from samui and thepeople from samui thought, oh,
it would be not now all the timelike that, because they love
the island and they thinkeverybody will love and falling
(04:16):
in love with samui more thanphuket.
So but what they're notrealized that the people are
when phuket was like whenthey're building up everything
back to normal, so most of thepeople went back to phuket was
like when they're building upeverything back to normal, so
most of the people went back tophuket, so yeah, and then a lot
of buildings and bars andeverything just go like for
broke because it was not theamount of tourists anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
In some way no, it's not that big, because uh is this
is I can't.
I can can say this is the firstI know about how it's going on,
because I'm a Thai people butI've never been in Gossamoon.
I can't say oh, it's sobeautiful but yeah, if I get a
change, I want to be inGossamoon.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
You have to go for it because even when I left, it
was like one smiling side, youknow, and one one crying eye,
because I had such, uh yeah, myfirst memories for actually
living in in thailand,everything started with samui.
My first holiday in thailand,everything was on samui, you
know.
(05:19):
So half of my heart is stillthere.
I have good friends still stillthere and um yeah, but, but
life goes, uh, goes on, you knowwhat I mean.
So you always have to,sometimes you, you have to close
a chapter to to open a new one,otherwise you cannot develop,
your, develop yourself, you knowyeah, and as I know, as you
(05:40):
told me before the first chapterwas, you actually opened a
bengal and a restaurant yeah, itfirst.
It first started with the, withthe restaurant, because my
budget was not much.
So I actually had a budget fromten thousand dollars, so it
wasn't.
It wasn't much what I actuallywon in the online poker
(06:01):
tournament uh, back the days inGermany, because I wasn't able
for my salary back then to saveany money.
But I not won the tournament, Ijust get second.
But the buy-in was like tendollars and then you have to pay
, play like 12 hours, you know.
So I play all night after workwas like crazy, from 8 pm and
(06:22):
until 8 am in the morning.
But then I actually called mydad and I said okay, I'm ready,
we can leave germany.
And he say how?
You still have no money.
And I say, now I have money.
And then he said like what,yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
and then I said like yeah, yeah, yeah but he did.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I deserved the first place.
This guy was lucky.
You know what I mean but, I, Istill take the 10 grand, you
know yeah, especially at the end, at the heads up.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, I, I still take the 10grand, you know it was good yeah
, yeah, especially at the end,at the heads up.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
You know what I mean.
Yeah, but with 10 000, Ithought that's the world.
I thought it's so much money,especially in thailand and then
I yeah, I was 26, 27, you know.
And then I figure it out like,oh my god, for lamai, this area.
So the busiest area on Samui islike called Shawang and we was
living always on Lamai and Lamaiwas like the second busiest
(07:10):
place and I thought like, okay,so you not go for Shawang, so
you go for Lamai.
And I thought like everythingwould be affordable because I
thought 10 000 US dollars somuch.
And then I figured it out withthe key money.
Even it's not like legal, buteveryone wants the key money.
Same like here in Pattaya ifyou take over a bigger business
and everything starts like froma million or whatever.
(07:31):
I saw like guys.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, a million baht.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Of course I say like guys, you are crazy or what so.
And then I figure it out.
Okay, so eight months I wassearching In Lamai in that area,
and there was no opportunity.
So and then I moved like to away more outside area called
Minam, yeah, and it was like theonly place that was affordable.
That was offer from anotherGerman guy and he built around
(07:56):
his bungalow a restaurant, yeah,but the cool thing was the rent
was really low.
So it was like 8,000 baht, butyou have a place to sleep and
you have the business around, soyou just have to make somehow
8,000 baht to pay the rent andeverything is in your pocket for
living, right?
(08:17):
So I thought like, okay, eventhis place is not like busy as
hell, but somehow you can figureit out.
So that's what I actually pay,my 10k on it, on this, and I
cannot even cook, so, yeah, butthis was yeah
Speaker 2 (08:31):
but, yeah, but this was like the only opportunity
that I had for that money.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but then I had goodfriends.
Uh, one of my friend is thaiand he was working in theara
it's like four or five starhotel, but he always had
problems because he was the sameage as me, like young, and
wanted to enjoy life andwhatsoever, and he quit the job
(08:56):
in the four or five star SentaraI don't know how many stars I
have right Just to come and workwith me and then we were
working together, you know,working together.
He was the chef and, yeah, itwas.
It was an adventure, butsomehow we make it work.
Yeah, for for about two yearsor something.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, yeah, two years , yeah, two years Long time.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, so I even learned then a little bit to
cook, but of course he was theone who cooked the Thai food and
everything, as you can.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of course, he was the one who cooked the thai food
and everything.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
As you can imagine, I was the one who talked to the
people and talk as much aspossible, because if we have
more orders, we had just him inthe kitchen, you know if we have
more people.
It takes a while.
So and I delayed it, yeah, andI tried to talk with him a lot.
You know that it's not soobvious that we are struggling
in the kitchen, right?
Yeah, it was chaotic sometimes,but it was still like, yeah, we
(09:49):
still make it work.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, it's good to try to do like.
Is this like you cooking beforeto?
Speaker 3 (09:59):
have a restaurant.
No, no, no.
I never cooked before, so theonly thing what uh was able to
do is like put the pizza in theoven or something, so you cannot
really call it cooking right.
So I just, um, yeah, learn alittle bit on the run, but he
was the one who, who, uh,actually have the part in the
kitchen and I know and I wasfiguring out, okay, how you make
(10:21):
cocktails and stuff like this.
so because it also sells good,it's good money.
So then I get all the receiptsfrom the internet and then I
teach myself, okay, how, withthe ingredients you have in
Thailand from 7-Eleven.
You know what I mean.
So you need to, yes, and thenyou can see how you can do it
with the things that Thailandgives you right?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, because some of your ingredients inside not
half.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
yeah, so that's why you need to do that a little bit
like in the freestyle way soyou make like every cocktail in
a thai way you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
it tastes similar.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the people love it yeah, it was
good, it makes you drunk.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
It was okay, the people was happy, that's what
they want but yeah, it's aninteresting adventure which
eventually led you to somethingeven more interesting, in my
opinion oh, you're talking aboutthe resort.
No, oh, all the way all the wayafter the big jump because the
(11:19):
resort is interesting, but youdidn't do that alone, yeah the
interesting part come actuallywhen I started to actually
completely move over to the time.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, so I still did a couple of online things like
call agent, you know, but Inever did like the cold calls
that you sell something.
So always I tried to work forcompanies.
Well, like the people want you,you sell something.
So always I try to work forcompanies yeah, well, like the
people want you yeah, where thepeople actually want or expect
the call.
You know what I mean.
Because nobody yeah, becausenobody liked the cold leads.
(11:54):
You know you're annoying peopleto sell something.
There was never something thatwould make me happy on the long
run, so I yeah, the chances, bythe way, are really low, like
good salesmen skin instead maybefive percent of the old call.
Yes, you get so many negativefeedback first before you make
it, you know, and can reallysuck your mood down.
(12:15):
So that's why I never want todo something like that.
Yeah, then I actually was outsame like I did on some ways.
So I went out here in the club,I was dancing, do my shit, and
then I I actually met a guy whenI go back to the bar and he had
like a hard german accent whenhe spoke english to me and then
(12:35):
I figured out to me you'regerman, right?
And then, oh, you're german aswell.
So I say yeah, yeah, but he was.
He was he's younger than me, butthe way he impressed me was
like um, he actually was so open.
You know, he opened um reallyafter I met him, uh, the second
time.
So he, he told me already whathe actually did and and the
(12:56):
thing what he did was like hewas like a cam model.
Yeah, yeah, so, but hebasically said to me okay, bro,
I'm not gay, but most of the myviewers are actually guys, so
and I say, okay, okay, thatmakes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
He's a solo yeah, yeah, solo, yeah, solo.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So you just sit there and jerk off yeah, I think you
have to do a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
You guys can imagine that, but we don't want to dig
deeper, yeah, but I mean I, Inever saw it, but he actually
told me like in a nutshell, what, what he do.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
And then I say okay, okay.
And then he said to me, yeah,but you are good looking, you
actually could do the same.
And I was thinking like, okay,guy, first of all you are way
more younger than me and he'slike, of course I train, but
he's like more like trained thanme oh, he was more.
Yeah, yeah yeah, even now.
So it's yeah, yeah, still soyeah, but he could literally go
(13:59):
on stage and would be basicallywith the last five or six in the
class, um on stage.
Okay, because he's always likeripped, always have the six pack
and and always just like um ina in a in a in a, really yes, in
a in a really great shape.
So that's why, I compare myselfto him and I saw like bro you
sure?
And then he said why you're notgiving it a try?
(14:20):
You have nothing to lose.
And then somehow he came over,he set it up with me on the
laptop, so, and then of coursehe left because I want to do it
alone, right?
so and then, uh, yeah, yeah, butnot with the guy, so it's it's
not that interesting for me then, right?
So anyway, I I logged in and Isaw he was like because, yeah,
(14:44):
it was like chat a bit and uh,flirt flirt chat or something
like that.
I not remember the set, the, thesecond one, and then was live.
Jasmine was also there, so itwas like three websites, but the
best one was like actually likechat a bit.
That was the one that wasworking later.
So because first I was sittingthere and then you check out and
(15:08):
because he do it for so manyyears, so you build like a fan
base, that makes sense, right.
So I was sitting there you haveeverywhere yeah.
So, and basically I was sittingthere and in this underwear they
call it like jocks, you know,you have this.
It's like almost like a stringtongue, but your ass is open,
(15:30):
right, yeah, yeah.
So it was also new for me.
So when he, when he told melike I need to buy this before,
I said, like what the fuck is it?
So I have to Google it andsearched for it.
(15:51):
And then I figured out, ah,okay, this is how it looks like.
I said, okay, makes sense thatyour ace is not covered, all
right, all right.
So.
And then I was checking out howit works.
So I saw him at the, at thefront pages, right?
so if you have like maybe 50pages where you can switch and
you see all the models, andevery page had maybe like 30, 40
models right so and when Istart I was at the last pages,
so you can imagine I was sittingthere three, four hours and I
had maybe five to ten peoplecoming and they just come and go
(16:13):
.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, then you comethen, then you come, uh, more,
more, uh at the front pages yes,how many followers you have
just going to you yes, but ifyou be there for a while, so you
(16:33):
have the followers and you cangive them an alert that you are
online, so then you get moreviewers and then you get.
That's why I say, if you, ifyou create a fan base, you will
be immediately when you'll beonline.
Just say, you have 2 000 people.
From 2 000 people, maybe 100shows up, so you're already on
the first five pages, so, andthen you grow from there.
Just how long you uh be online.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You know what I mean, but anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I had no fans, I had nothing and uh, I ended up at
the last pages and then I wasworking four or five hours.
What means working?
You know, I was cheap, chattingwith the few people that enter
my room and you only make moneywhen they give you tip or when
they take you private.
So at the end of the day I wasworking four or five hours and I
(17:16):
get maybe 200 300 baht and Isaid like yeah, and I said like
what the you?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
know this is too long .
This is how long again?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
four or five hours four or five hours for 300 bucks
this is this is really bad it'sreally bad, don't forget that
people can record the screenyeah, so everyone can see you
and can see your pictures yeahyou use your privacy immediately
yeah that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean I was aware about that, but I also thought
like, okay, it would, might work.
I know it would be a struggleat the beginning, but it was
like a waste of time.
So, and then COVID hit us, soeverything was closed and I had
a lot of friends, especiallylady boyfriends, and I know they
was calling me and say, oh,michelle, can you help me with
(18:02):
500 baht or what.
So everyone was struggling.
So, and then 500 baht or what.
So everyone was struggling.
So then I thought like so I wassearching the page again and
then I thought it's all like, oh, okay, when couple doing that,
there are not so many couplesout there.
So I said like, okay, this is,this is a way, how to crack the
system.
You know what I mean.
So if you not do it as single,even you're popular or not if
you do it as a couple, then youwould be at the first three,
(18:27):
four pages and you go from thereexactly, you not have so many
competitors, right?
so I saw like, okay, that makessense.
So what I did?
So I invited the first lady boyon my sofa and I say, okay,
let's go, baby, put her in sexylingerie and we make the deal.
Okay, we share everything 50 50.
So I I explain her how it works,with the tokens, with the
exchange, whatsoever, and then,um, she, would speak english um,
(18:51):
yeah, some could the first one,the first one yes she was funny
, she was really funny and Iknow she was outgoing, so I know
like, okay, this is to tochoose her at the first to see
how it works.
I thought like this was be thebest choice.
So, anyway, and we was rockingit, so it was immediately like
after third page, second pagefirst, and then we have the most
(19:14):
viewers.
So we ended up with 1,000people was watching us, and this
is quite high number for that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know what I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
And then we make like quite good money.
So we was working three, fourhours and everybody get like
3,000 to 5,000 baht each.
So this was like almost likeevery hour you get 1,000 each.
You know what I mean?
This is something you can workwith you know what I mean.
So I saw like, okay, that havepotential.
And I saw some people alreadystart to following me so I saw
(19:47):
like, oh, okay, you can reallyfast grow a fan base there.
What the people not expect wasthat I actually live in thailand
and that I know so many people,that I actually live in pattaya
, yeah, and there are so manyladyboys and there's not so many
ladyboys, so here's the poorladyboy.
Yeah, so the next day on my sofaanother ladyboy show up and
usually only couple doing that.
You know what I mean.
So everybody like what the.
You know yeah, yeah so, andthis was like more or less than
(20:09):
how long I did it, it was like arunning gag.
So the people just follow melike crazy yeah, and I really
want to know who the is now onmichelle's sofa you know what I
mean?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
yeah, yeah.
And then everybody how?
Speaker 3 (20:20):
we do that.
You know what I mean, yeah, howwe do that, but especially
because we had covet, it was theperfect circumstances because
everybody was struggling aboutmoney.
You know, it was so hard to getmoney, so even for myself.
And then somehow, um, the, the,the webcam stuff gets so
popular that, um, yeah, that theproduction company was
(20:43):
contacting me and they asked meare we looking for a western guy
who actually do porn withladyboys?
they saw you first on channelbecause it gets so popular and a
lot of people was talking aboutit in that scene and they were
struggling to find people whohave like a western looking, yes
(21:04):
, or european looking, and, andI was struggling to find people
who have like a Western looking,yes, a European looking, and um
doing that.
And then they asked me would youconsider maybe to try it?
And then I thought like okay,so I show my ass in front of a
thousand people.
Of course, if you go privateand you do like the act, yeah,
you actually have sex.
So you have only the one whotake you private yeah, they can.
(21:27):
Another one can buy cheaperprice, but he's not the director
so you only can watch, butmakes maximum.
You have two, three peoplewhere you have front of sex but
you actually have sex on yoursofa and you just have it in
front of the cam, but you notsee anyone so it's like
different right, no camera.
But of course you exposeyourself.
(21:49):
You're not living in anillusion, like okay, this are
not happening.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You see the numbers when I did shadowbait it was way
before it was 2011 or 12 andeveryone used masks.
Back then it was very popularfor the people to use masks on
Chateau Ben.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
When there'd be a couple, or also like singles,
some singles Okay, but I don'tbelieve that if you still have
people who do it without thepeople with without would be
always more successful.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I'm just saying , don't forget, there is like a
difference of eight yearsbetween those.
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, somestuff change, yeah it's always
changing.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
It's always changing.
Some stuff change.
Yeah, it's always changing,it's always changing anyway.
So then they was asking meabout, like um, could you, would
you consider to doing it?
And of course I take a littletime to to think about it
because I was aware about thatlike, if I expose myself, so
even it's like a one time thing,if you be one time out there,
you'll be out there forever.
(22:53):
Yeah, you know so, I even knowit from the camming, but I never
show sex in front of thecamming, so it's a different
thing.
So, even okay, then maybe they,they would be able to record
the private show, but it's, it'sstill not like you not get so
exposed, same, same, you'redoing it, like you know, in a,
in a real pawn.
Anyway, I, I was considered andthe money, what they offered me
(23:18):
, was really low, um, but Iactually did it and um, I, I, I
go for it because I thought,like the way they explained it
to me is like they, they need aguy on the long run.
So for for the model, for thelady boy, it's like, okay, we
use you for a job, yeah, andthen maybe in two or three
(23:39):
months, if your video is popular, we use you again.
But if they don't have aeuropean looking guy, so all the
time when they come with a newmodel and they do it like every
two week or whatever, so youhave a new job.
So that that's why I thought,like okay, that could be
something that could bedeveloping something bigger yeah
, you know, of course.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, so I would, I would, I would to know, like um,
when you have like ladyboymodels who are shooting with you
, is it is this um from themcontact you to help with
sometime, or your your find themthrough?
Speaker 3 (24:17):
me.
So, basically, when I start withthe production company, they
arranged everything because, Iwas not in the driver's seat, so
I was actually also like amodel that get booked right.
And they told me just like inadvance.
They send me pictures and saylike, oh, this is the model,
because some of the models Ialready knew, yeah, so, and then
I say like, oh, okay, okay andum, at the beginning, um, I was
(24:41):
really shy.
I was not shy like being there,but I was shy like I say to
them like, do you need a guy whodo like top and bottom?
So fuck and get fucked, yeah.
Or they say, oh, basicallywe're looking for someone who
gets fucked.
And I say like, okay, that'sthe easiest part.
So, because even your cock ishard or not hard, so if you just
(25:05):
need to like, you know, givethem your ass, yeah.
So yes so because you're nervous, you know what I mean.
We just say it before we'restarting this podcast.
All the people here have a cock.
Because you're nervous, youknow what I mean.
We just say it before westarting this podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, so you are not the stargazer yeah, I have also.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yeah, no, I understand, no, but we even say
it before the podcast start.
Right, Be exciting.
So of course when you do it youhave to understand.
So there are two, threelightnings.
You have the camera operatoractually not move, so you have
to show them the angle.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So and you have sex in weird positions which looks
great in front of the camera,but it's totally unnaturally and
you would never do it you knowwhat I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
so yes, and this and everything, have like a plan how
to do it, and usually you nothave sex with a plan.
You go with your passion, yougo with your emotions.
You know what I mean and you gowith the flow.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
You figure it out on the way, but you not really have
a plan.
But there's okay, we do likethis.
Okay, now I'll stop.
I need to change the pictures,so, and everything needs to be
still stable.
That is natural, no, and I sawlike when I saw it the first
time, I saw like, okay, you willnever get like hard with this.
You know, even you take kamago,but even you take like any pill
or whatever.
You know what I mean your headtaking over.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
You cannot relax so that's what I'm thinking yes,
you're just thinking, you stressyourself.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
So that's why I was really, really glad to know that
they're not need me as a top,so bottom would be fine, so, and
I went for it, you know so.
And then I basically hadanother offer from a different.
It was like also like aproduction company, but in a way
more smaller way, so it wasonly one guy, and this guy was
(26:49):
from Russia, he was not evenhere and he let me manage
everything, so he provided themoney and he paid me and I was
exactly so.
So I was making like I checkedthe location out.
Then I find a camera operator.
(27:10):
We even changed them um theequipment okay so we use better,
better cameras, and and howlonger this journey together
lasts, how, how more we weactually updated the, the set up
.
Yeah, yeah, upgraded the setup.
So yeah, basically, I alwayswas on the hunt to find the
(27:30):
models you know, and then, uh,of course, I had the nice
locations and to have a cameraoperator, because now, over I
doing it like almost five years,four and a half years,
something like that specificwith with the Russian guy, and
we have to change, like thecamera operators, a lot, because
(27:53):
there was always like anincident oh, now I have a
boyfriend, my boyfriend isjealous, you know even the guy
saw her first on the porn moviewith me, you know, and and then
when they start to be togetherhe start to be super jealous and
I just say like all the time,oh you building, because they
also get paid, you know, andevery week we were shooting.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
I want to understand normally your camera operator
are ladies or ladyboys no, alsoladyboys, because we always have
camera two and three.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
So we, we have two other cameras in the background,
yeah, but on a stand and um, we, we had like different choices.
So later we, um, we sell andalso the making of movie, and
then you, that's why we alsodress the camera girl in a in a
sexy disuse, sexy lingerie,because um some posts that she
(28:42):
need to make to to reach furtherto the action.
You know she pop up her ass, soyou, you see her boobs or
whatever.
So it's always sexy to see how,how actually she moving around
it then you see all thelightning and for the people is
always like exciting to not onlysee the end product.
People are also curious yes likecurious how you do it.
(29:04):
You know what I mean eventiktok people.
They do like the tiktok fromthe main camera and then they
make the making of and still,most of the time the making of
get more views than actually avideo, because the people are
curious how you're doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Because they feel it's more personal.
Yes, I can see how everythingworks.
Yeah, you're not cut.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
So, they're basically here when you cut and they see
how the scene continues.
So how you do it after, how youexplain what to do before, and
we do a photo shooting before.
So they see the photo shootingand in the photo shooting at the
end the girl needs to have ahard dick.
So I suck her, but youbasically will not see it on the
main camera, but behind thescenes when we cut everything
(29:44):
together.
So you see it and then sheposts with the dick and
everything so so.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
So normally, how long to take how?
How many hours to take onevideo?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
It depends.
So it's like if you make athreesome it takes about three
hours, three and a half hours,because we need like two girls
with the photo shoot and wechange the dress, like the
lingerie, twice, and so we makethe first scene.
So first we put them in thefirst lingerie outfit, right, we
make the pictures.
(30:16):
Both of them need cock hard.
Then we explain the scene, whatwe want to do in the first part
.
First part is done, so it'salready like an hour or
something passed away, and thenwe change the outfit and we we
push on repeat, so we we repeateverything again, right, so we
make the picture, cock hard, andthen the last scene with the
cum shot.
(30:36):
I see, yeah, and when we doone-on-one, so it's basically
like most of the time it's twohours.
Yeah, it can be a little bitlonger because some of the lady
boys, they have the issuebecause the environment, as I
explained, is not normal, andthen they have maybe problem to
come, so and it can take alittle longer, and then of
(30:56):
course we need to cut ittogether that looks like from
like, from like through,uncomfortable, through like, uh,
yeah, yeah yeah, think about itlike that yeah, you see
Speaker 2 (31:05):
the jay king yeah, and then you just take the last.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Let's say one minute, yes, yes so and we stay in
position, yeah, so that we cancut it together, so that it does
not look like that.
She actually struggled Becauseas a viewer, of course, if you
see the making of video, I keepit a little bit longer, but I
also not when she needs like 30minutes to do it.
I not give them 30 minutes.
You know what I mean.
It makes no sense Because youstill want to keep the
(31:30):
excitement alive.
You know what I mean, yeah, andwhat you still want to keep the
excitement alive.
You know what I mean, yeah, andwhat I can say, like I started
as a, as a bottom, and thenafter three months, when I
actually start planningeverything myself.
So it was different, because Ihad a camera operator.
I want her to move before whenI do it with the production, she
stand with the camera, she putit in an angle and we need to be
(31:52):
in a weird angle yeah, and Ithought, okay, that's weird,
yeah, and the videos also wasreally short.
And, um, I say, okay, when wedo it, we do it differently.
So we have the moving camera,so I want that she are able to
move and we have the twostanding cameras for behind on
the scene so that we can makethe making of video and
(32:12):
whatsoever.
Right, yeah, yeah, and how moreconfident, how longer I I made
it, how more confident I I wasin the environment.
And then, um, there was, likeafter almost three months,
models say to me yeah, I'm topand everything.
So I, I was like always like Ineed to plan it right because
some of the lady was the onlybutton so, and then somehow she
(32:35):
was so overwhelmed fromeverything and I said okay,
relax, and but her cock notworking, oh yeah even if she do
come out.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, yeah, but but she was like you know, and I
mindset was not there.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah, but I could feel her because this is exactly
in the shoes that I was all thetime before.
But I was looking down then andmy cock was like rock hard and
I said like hey brother, thereyou go, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
This is how I know you because he get used to it.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You know, for him was the normal, so and then I saw
like okay, no problem, then youare bottom.
She look at me.
Okay, she was happy that we doit.
You know what?
I mean so and my cameraoperator look at me surprises
yeah, look at me girl.
Yeah, yeah yeah, and then it wasactually the first video that I
beat a pure top and when Ipassed that one, so then my mind
(33:22):
just switched and from fromthat moment on I know, okay, now
I'm back to normal, so and Ican do both.
So now most of the time I tryto make it make like top and
bottom, so we make like both ofthe content, but if the cock
from her not work, then ofcourse, then I'm pure top.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So if you have only bottom, lady boy, you are just
going top.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, but I know the most popular thing is if we
switch it, so we give them, wegive the audience, like both top
and bottom, yeah, or the best.
The most popular scenario islike if the lady boy is really
dominant, so I'm just bottom,and if she are able to speak
well english, then it's like didshe not even have?
(34:09):
to yes, of course, you know whatI mean so a little, so like a
little bit role play.
You know, if we do it likeshe's the mistress, I'm the
slave, how more she is like inthe role, like I'm controlling
you, how more excited is it forthe viewers.
So this is, are the the videos?
They go like super viral.
And I make the best experiencewith the ladyboys who actually
(34:30):
from the philippines because, asyou know, the filipinos, they
can speak english is.
This is the second languageright exactly yeah, so that's
why, and they know how to do ityou know, I had like one movie
with amadora and she was beforeor she still is a really popular
cam model on life.
(34:51):
Yes, mean and of course she islike an escort, but she never
did porn so she only did it withme.
But we did now three or fourvideos because she's so popular
On the time frame about the lastthree years or something.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
She comes here or you go there.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
No, she's in Bangkok.
And then I always say like,okay, take the taxi, we booked a
hotel and then you get paid.
She's in Bangkok.
And then I always say like,okay, take the taxi, we book the
hotel and then you get paid,and of course also for the
transfer and everything, so thewhole package.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
so we actually take care of it and then it's an easy
thing so how you think aboutwhen people say if a man has a
date with a ladyboy and had adate with a ladyboy and they say
he's a gay.
So how do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I think, like if guys who really are into ladyboys,
if they would be gay, you knowwe're not dating someone who
looks like a woman, so it makesno sense.
So I'm not attracted to men, soI'm attracted to women and I'm
attracted to ladyboys Because inmost of the cases the ladyboys
(36:05):
are even hotter, because theymake so much surgery you know
what I mean than the real woman.
They have attention to be yes,and especially if you figure out
, if you're not shy and ifyou're not let the society
taking over your free mind, yourspirit.
You know what I mean, yeah, Iguess no yeah, and if you are
(36:26):
open enough to experience withyour, with your, with yourself,
with your own body, and youfigure it out that you actually,
as a man, like to havesomething in the ass because we
have a g-spot in the ass, so thewoman, the woman, have it in
the pussy, but the mans are soafraid to just figure their own
body out because the society sayimmediately oh, if you put
(36:48):
something in your ass, you gay,yeah it's.
It's strange, but our societysay it like this yeah and I put
so much pressure on the peoplebut I just say fuck it, because
I figure it out, like, oh, itfeels amazing.
Yeah, even the orgasm is likeon a different level.
So, and um, yeah, then I madethe first experience with the,
(37:08):
with ladyboys, back then onsamoy because, of course, at the
, at the beginning I was likereally struggling and I was shy
when I saw the first ladyboy inmy life in the front of a
cabaret show.
She was so beautiful and I saidlike oh, my god, wow, you're
the most beautiful girl I everthought uh, saw in my life.
And then I was like shy talkingto her, you know, and I went to
(37:31):
the cabaret show and after thecabaret show, so she put my you
know labels they're always open,you know she put my hand
between between her legs and say, like the most ladyboy, open,
yeah, yeah and and let me touchher balls, her.
I was thinking like, oh my god.
So I was like in shock, I moreor less run away so and then I
need to process what's happened,you know.
So I go back in in my bungalowand process and I say like, oh
(37:55):
my.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
God, you went there to jerk off, come on.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, why not, of course, in the night later on?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, when the shock was gone.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Of course it excites me and everything, but I ask
myself because?
I have so much pressure from thesociety.
Oh, my God, michelle, what'sgoing on with you?
Are you gay or what?
So I need to figure out formyself first what's going on,
(38:25):
and I need also, like um, someyears to have the confident to
actually be in public with uh,with the lady boy.
And that's why I always say tothe lady boys give the guys some
credit, because you need tounderstand you.
Somehow, on the way when yougrow up, you figure it out like,
oh, I don't want to be a man, Ifeel more like a woman and you,
and, and your journey starts,yeah.
So the journey from a guy whois attractive to a ladyboy
(38:48):
starts not that early.
It starts with the firstexperience.
You know what I mean and ineurope, I'm from germany when I
say I never saw ladyboys there,they would look like me in
lingerie.
Would I look like a lady boy?
No, you know what I mean prettymasculine and ugly.
You know what I mean nobody wasthinking I'm a hot lady boy,
yeah.
So my first experience startbasically on my first holiday
(39:11):
when I was 25.
So and then I need like two,three years to figure it out how
I can deal with it.
So first I do it secretlybecause if you're so young you
not feel so confident withyourself.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And you get the pressure.
You said that the societymostly dictate how you need to
think about yourself, how youneed to act and it's a problem
and also your friends, so all myfriends around there on some
way.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Nobody was into ladyboys, so I was.
I was with that, like basicallywith this kind of feeling,
basically um, by myself, so Ineed to figure it out.
That's why I was shy in frontof my friends, so like to really
show them what, what are mydesires.
You know what I mean.
Of course I like women.
Yeah, I'm into women, but I alsolike ladyboys.
I'm into ladyboys, yeah, so,and that's actually what I find
(40:01):
out on the go how to deal withit, you know, because what most
of the people not realize.
So everybody like chasing themoney.
You know what I mean.
They think like the highestvalue in life is to be rich and
get the money.
But the the highest value inlife is time, and if you only
live to please the people aroundyou the society.
(40:24):
You will regret it and I regretthe the two, three years that I
was struggling and I say I wantto change it, I want to change
it.
And then I say, okay, if thepeople have a problem with it,
if my friends have a problemwith it, then they are not real
friends and then we go separateways.
Yeah, and since that I keep myinner circle really small,
(40:45):
because you also get like um, Idon't know from, from the people
around you.
You know what I mean.
They put you, even without yourealizing it.
They put you in different paths, in different directions.
They judge you, yeah, in a goodway or bad way, just think about
the situation I explained toyou when I met the guy who was
(41:06):
the model at the camp show.
If I would not meet him, Iwould never sit here and would
go this way.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Right, right, I would never sit here and would go
this way.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
You know what I mean and he's still one of my best
friends Because I knoweverything that builds up from
that moment that we met.
You know what I mean hassomething to do with him.
If I would not leave Samui backthen I would never meet him, I
would never go this direction,Of course.
Yeah, but this is how life goes.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
If you open yourself up for more, more opportunities
will come in your way.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know, I'm proud, butI'm just I, just I'm very proud
of you, about your stand, byyour open yeah, I'm actually now
be also like proud that I dealwith it so openly.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
You know what I mean, especially.
Come on now.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
I'm old, I'm 40, so it's like you know, you look
like you you have to do it.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
You look very good for 40, okay, thank you.
Thank you, I will invite youfor a drink later I hold it to
you, okay, okay, and I haveanother question.
So you said before you areattracted to ladyboys and ladies
, yeah, In your movies you aredoing also.
Sometimes you bring ladies over.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Because everything started with, like, the ladyboys
and then how I explain it toyou guys.
So I did it then only withladyboys, and the reason why is
simple how long are you doing it?
You have this specific fan baseand my specific fan want to see
lady.
Yes, so if I give them a woman,even she's smoking hot, they
(42:44):
would say okay, you, sir, butmake a threesome and show us a
lady boy.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Three sons with ladies no, this is what I want
to do in the future, but it'sreally hard to find a woman who
is actually open-minded enoughto doing it.
Even we have so many models, somany girls, women, who, who
working in the same industry,but to do that, even it would be
on her end a really popularcontent.
Um, it's, it's really hard toto make it happen.
(43:12):
I know for some ladyboys.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
And also for the ladyboys yes, Some ladyboys will
not fuck women.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
No, no.
Also, when I make a threesomewith two ladyboys, it's not
always the time that the ladyboyinteract with each other so
many times it's also like thatthey only interact with me, so
I'm then in the middle of theattention.
I mean it's awesome.
But many people also like whenthe, when the ladyboys do
(43:37):
something together, but then Ialways respect the boundaries.
I ask what is possible it'svery hard.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, because I because ladyboys want a guy yeah
, right, like man, like I saidbefore, yeah so, and ladyboys is
a different thing.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
So, but you always find some ladyboys.
They are not into it butthey're open.
They say I do it, I do it forthe, for the movie.
You know, I can do it with afriend.
We do like many times threesome, so it's always possible to
doing it.
So this is not so outlandish toto make this kind of content.
So I have it.
I make it a lot of times, butnever so far with the woman.
But it's still on my bucketlist on top because I know it
(44:11):
would be super popular becauseit's not so many videos out
there that the woman is involvedin in this kind of tree
sunlight yeah, I understandwould you do something like that
?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I'm not in movies, I mean yeah, if you say now yes,
you are already I can say I havesome with lady friend, but I
did not have with her.
I did not have to say with her,just like she was yeah, with
other guy than me, so weattractive with guy doesn't like
(44:46):
we.
We together have fun together,but not have have sex together
okay just you know, I mean likeattractive to the man.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
So you guys were both playing with the guy at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, right and with other ladyboys.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
It's a no-go for you.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Probably this is not not easy to happen, right?
Because ladyboy she was toowith a guy.
Anyway, if it happens to havetreason, it's not being like
have to have sex, but maybe oralyeah, that is happening?
Uh happen more than have sextogether for treason with two
(45:27):
lady boy, one guy like that yeah, I mean oral.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
They still can close the eyes and can imagine it's a
dick from a guy, right?
Speaker 2 (45:34):
so you guys could do that.
Yeah, make yours.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
May you have sweet dreams yeah, and now I know that
you're on a certain platform.
I don't know if you want tomention which platform you are
on, but I know that this is oneof the most popular platforms on
earth right now for this kindof content.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Yeah, it's really popular.
But I mean I've been on almostevery other porn website but,
and for years, right, so I'monly fans to call the baby by
the name is basically the onethat I start to be the latest.
(46:17):
So I've been there only for oneand a half years or something.
And the other platforms?
I'm almost there for four and ahalf, almost five years, but
none of them even.
I have like almost 200 videosuploaded there over the time.
None of them pay just close towhat's what's going on on
(46:41):
OnlyFans.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Okay it's crazy, your main income is from OnlyFans.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yes, it's like of course I could pay, like, all my
expenses from the otherplatforms, but I could not live,
um, such a lavish life, yes,such like a hilti lifestyle, if,
if only fans would not be inthe picture.
It's really crazy, but it's not.
This is what I say to my, to mymodels, because they know that
(47:09):
I pay them.
They see how I live or when webe in a hotel or whatever.
They see that they can imaginemaybe.
And then they say, oh yeah, canyou help me to set up OnlyFans
or something like this?
So first of all, I think, likeokay, in the century we're
living, so you can get all theinformation from OnlyFans.
(47:30):
Nobody show me how to do it, Iteach myself everything on the
go.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
You know what I?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
mean.
So if you really want to do it,you can educate yourself online
.
Yeah, but I I have no problemwith that, that.
I help you to set it up, butthe, the imagination, what the
models have is like.
Once I set it up, the moneycomes from alone.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
But you really really do, Now I can say I'm
successful.
Yes, but the people don't know.
So I'm working basically everyday for it, like three, four
hours, and I'm not counting thenthe hours that I'm actually be
on some dating platforms to findthe new model.
(48:15):
And if I'm talking to 10 models, just say it, maybe three will
be okay with it.
Not every ladyboy say yo, I gofor it.
Many ladyboys have concernabout the family, see it or
whatever, and even they're inthe industry of oh, I'm
freelancing, so you know I makethe money with in the sex
(48:37):
industry.
But there I have a concerns, andthe it's our concerns that I
can 100 understand.
Even I need them as a model,but I understand their thoughts
and what they worry about,especially for them if they're
not set up, only friends andthey just do it.
It's basically what I explainedyou at the beginning.
(48:59):
So me, as a male actor, I'mmore busy because the main focus
from the, from the viewerperspective, are the models.
So the models if the modelschange all the time, how it is
in my case, it's perfect.
They don't care about me,they're not really a fan about
me.
You know what I mean.
I'm like, I'm like yeah, I'mokay, you know, they're okay,
(49:23):
I'm there.
They imagine that there wouldbe on my, on my place, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
They're looking for a new yes, but it's yeah new
faces.
So basically, when?
Speaker 3 (49:34):
she agrees to do it, her video will stand in the
internet forever.
So if she's not doing somethingwith it, so she's not planning
her future to doing it, then ofcourse it's a high risk.
Even I pay them.
Good, but it's still a highrisk for this one-time payment.
Of course, if the video ispopular, as I say I explained
(49:54):
before, amadora the filipinogirl, um, she's so popular so we
make four videos in about threeyears, something like this.
But of course it's like youknow, it's like a payday every
six months or something.
You know what I mean.
It's also not something steadyincome yes yeah.
So that's why I alwaysunderstand when they um, when
they don't want to do it, andI'm never angry, because so many
(50:17):
times I realized, um, that they, that they contact me like a
year later and ask me, oh,because I don't know, maybe they
have money problem, maybe thethe mindset up changed, just it
can.
Many things can happen in lifethat change your mind.
I had many girls that I wastalking with but we keep in
(50:39):
touch on social media orsomething, and then out of
nowhere they're coming andtexting me and then we make it,
and then, of course, I'm happy,you know what I mean, because
you get new faces.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Then I don't need to search for the for the upcoming
movie yeah, you know but I Ibasically shoot the movie like
every week, so you can imaginehow uh stressful this sometimes
could be to uh always find everyweek a new face yeah, without
mentioning names.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, which is like if you can say what, what of
your?
Which one of your models shotthe most videos with you?
How many videos were that?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
amadora is on top before.
Um then, okay, you don't wantto mention names.
No, I think like four or fivevideos is like in a in a time
frame between two or three years, something like that.
Yeah, so you're really changingfaces all the time yeah, so I'm
(51:44):
happy to use them again, likefor threesomes.
Then I had I model.
I had one model.
She was like she was.
She can change by wearingdifferent kind of weeks, like
changing the hair color, and shealways looked like a different
person like a new style everyweek, so I had her on Instagram
(52:05):
so and we was, we shot the firstmovie.
She had like black, like reallylong hair, and then I saw her on
the birthday party and she hadblonde hair and I was like yes,
and I saw that, and I saw thisgroup picture and I contacted
her and from there was 20ladyboys on this group picture
and I contacted her and I saycould you give me the contact
(52:26):
details from the girl?
It was a little bit far becauseit was a group picture.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Yeah, you need to bring all the people, so it was
a little bit far.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
But I was a group picture.
Yeah, you need to bring all thepeople, so it was a little bit
far.
But I say can you give me thecontact details from the blonde
lady boy, because I would liketo shoot with her?
And then she say are you joking, michelle?
I say why?
She say that's me.
I say no way.
Yeah, yeah, I say okay okay,then I say let's next time,
(52:54):
because you look totallydifferent.
Yeah, didn't you?
can be like new face, yeah, newface.
And everybody was like wow,yeah, I even named her
differently really yes and thepeople go for it yeah, so I give
her a completely differentthinking yeah, I give her
because I was like not, and thenthe movie was like maybe like
four months or something betweenyou know what I mean.
Of course it's still in thelibrary, yeah, but you could
(53:15):
hard compare so you not have anytattoos.
You know, it's really hard tocompare like oh, it's because
you look so different.
Speaker 1 (53:21):
Well, we can a little bit different break up.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah, it will be exactly so I make like a few
different hairs with her, so shehad black she had like red, she
had blonde, and then we put heron two threesomes, so that's
why she come on the count offive so girl did not stop to be
pretty.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Change your style every week if you can.
Every man gonna interest in youbecause you have the booties
and blowing up booty more.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, then we love recognize you and just eat on
you again, which is also apossibility.
Yes, that's so true.
I want to ask you somethingthat I always wondered like in
your videos, do you go backbareback or condom?
Because I want to know aboutthe safety issues, like um, both
.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
So I'm be on prep since, um, some way okay, a
friend of mine introduced me toit because back then it wasn't
so popular as it is right now.
So we're talking about backthen, like now I live here like
five years, so before five years, so seven years ago, something
like this.
So I be on prep.
(54:28):
But of course you can.
So it's prevent 99 pointwhatever percent prevent you to
get hiv.
But of course you can.
So it's prevent 99 pointwhatever percent prevent you to
get HIV.
But of course you can get otherdiseases, but, lucky so far, I
don't get any other diseasesfrom any diseases.
Yeah, from from from that.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Okay, yeah, so it's like I'm guessing you're
checking yourself regularly yeah, every three months.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
You know there's a clinic, not so far and then you
can like, but then I do it likealso not the blood, so you also
can check the or in so likereally make a full checkup but I
never have a full checkup fromthe models.
So it's like, of course is's arisk thing.
Yeah, a little risk is alwaysinvolved.
So if you do it in the usa, soyou always should have like the
(55:21):
latest test like from the fewdays.
You know what I mean.
This is how you usually thoseare the four.
Yeah, this is how you should doit.
You know what mean, but becauseyou do it like by yourself and
you do it here in Thailand, soit's just like a different thing
.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
You know what I mean.
So you have to pay for it, fortaste, or yeah, for the taste
and also for the prep.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
But I always have it like stocked, like in advance,
like for 12 months, for a yearperiod, but you need to take it
like every day.
But I've been recently to thedoctor and it have an effect on
your kidney but, they say mykidney is still fine and I take
it supplements for the kid yeah,also okay so to anti-toxic the
(56:12):
liver and, uh, the kidney, butthey say everything is fine.
And if you consider that theytake it like over seven years so
and it's had no side effects,you know, yeah but you, you're a
healthy guy, right, you'rekeeping yourself in shape,
you're eating good.
It's also part of that, yeahsure, this is a the whole
package.
You know what I mean.
(56:32):
But I just can say that it haveno side effects and everybody
who's not aware about what prepis.
So you basically have to takeit, like every day at the same
time and after seven days youtake it, you have the full
coverage 99 something percentthat you are not be able to get
hiv even you have sexintercourse with someone who
(56:56):
have it so yeah especially in inthe industry as a man, when you
a woman, yeah, the percentageis so small that you can get it,
but if you be, a man and youget
that's why so many gay peoplehave it.
So the chance to get it is likeway higher, yeah, right, so,
because, also, for the woman ishigher because she yeah, because
(57:19):
you insert it, right, yeah, sothat's the, that's the thing.
So, and when I figured out thatI'd be into ladyboys and some
stuff like this and like it bothways, so of course, then I was
like really happy that my friendintroduced me to crap, yeah
yeah, yeah, because back thenthere are a lot of people that
say that, because back then.
Speaker 1 (57:35):
It changed their life .
Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, because back then I not hear about it at all.
I wasn't even aware that theyhave just one pill and they can
make you superman immune againstit.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
It's crazy.
I know that many people aretaking it.
I know many, even people thatcome to vacations in Thailand a
week before they start taking itback home and then they just
come here.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
I had some fans.
They actually asked me the same.
They said to me oh, michel, youmake so many bareback videos
and how you do that?
Because they're planning alsothem to come, and then I just
recommend them and then they say, wow, okay, good to know.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Because many people.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Yeah, I do also but you tell me where you get it for
free, right?
Speaker 2 (58:22):
yeah, what's high people get it for free on a
swing clear.
Is it for free for Thai people?
Taste for free?
Hormones taste for free?
Speaker 3 (58:32):
oh wow, and prep test for free also oh, you get the
hormone for free as well andthis is about, like taste,
hormone, hormone tastes thisthat's the hormone.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, taste the hormones.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, okay, yeah, right but and you can do like
everything, like a privacy, ohyeah, what depends on?
Use yourself.
Yeah, if you shake, then you onprep.
Speaker 1 (59:05):
So you can check and if you have a, I say like a
negative taste, yeah, yeah, soyou can get prep if you if you
if you need it for free for Thaipeople.
Yeah, that's cool.
It's very good, especially in acity like Pattaya.
It's amazing that there is aprogram like that.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, but if everybody would take it, so
there would not be in 15, 20years HIV anymore.
So it would be yeah, becausenobody can get infected.
Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, but sadly and I know we want to be a happy
podcast and stuff like that yeahsadly, I know few people that
got it in the last three yearshere.
Oh, by the way, ladies, so manypeople like.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
I don't know the exact numbers, but yeah, yeah,
yeah, sure, I think, to makesure you are protected.
I think it's still a disease,that it's still around here and,
as you say, especially inPattaya, because it's like the
biggest sex city.
Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is normally a big fuck hole
, but it's a nice place this iswhy we come here, come on yeah
yeah, there's one part of it,one big part of it so.
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Patria is mean freedom, is it?
Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
more than freedom, more than freedom for me, patria
, it's not only freedom.
I think it's well.
I consider it my second homebecause I have a lot of friends
here, okay, and I really likethe environment and you can
always find something to do, notonly the sex part of the city.
There are many attractions here, very good restaurants over
(01:00:38):
here yeah very good places justto sit and wind up and relax and
it's so much cheaper.
Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
You know you, you can here afford that.
You can go like every day to arestaurant cheaper compared to
what you mean yeah, europe,germany, where I come from.
So in europe I I could notimagine how I could afford that
I can have three meals in arestaurant every day yeah and
here's like not a big issue youknow if you're not yeah, I want
to say, if you're not eat likesteak, you know what I mean.
(01:01:04):
But if you like, go for thaifood.
Yeah, it's so cheap in someplaces of course you get always.
You can get it like triple theprice or whatever.
But still the price is stillvery cheap.
Yeah, it's still cheap mine for150 baht.
Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
It's still your thing , wow yeah, it's still like you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
You really think like , oh, should I really cook by
myself?
You know, what I mean yeah,like when I make like breakfast
or something.
But here in my condo is evennext to the pool, is even a
restaurant and they are so cheap.
So they make me even more lazythan I was before since I moved
here I liked it.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I like it, yeah, it's nice yeah yeah, it's a really
nice life.
Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
If you're living in thailand, it's like I don't know
.
You get used to it so quickly.
That's why we call it like Thaifever, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah Thai fever.
Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I have it from the first time I came here.
That's why I was so glad that Imake it somehow happened to
live in Samui.
Samui was the first place and Ihad the Thai fever, immediately
I come out from the airport andlike Thai fever.
Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
you know you are always trying to convince me to
go to samui.
Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I have my personal reasons, yes, but you always
tell me, one day we will make ithappen I will be your tour
guide yeah, yeah, I have to goback I need to surprise my
friends over there like justcome just come unexpected.
Yeah, yeah, but I still notgive a time frame, right, michel
?
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
first of all, I want to thank you for doing that.
I think, we can do another partsometime, because we have a lot
to talk we always have a lot totalk, always when we meet each
other.
Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
That's why I was thinking like, okay, that will
be a walk in the park.
Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Thank you so much is there something that you want to
say to our listeners?
Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I don't know.
Guys, I hope.
I hope you like it.
I hope it was interesting foryou guys to listen to my story
and if you never have been toThailand, we welcome you to
Thailand and hope to see youaround, guys great way to end
this.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
This is very great today.
Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Do you have anything to say?
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Oh well, thank you everyone.
Listeners, this podcast is mysecond time to make it and I
made it everyone.
I'm so proud of myself and I'mvery thank you to Mike and
Michel today.
You're more than welcomeMichelle to make my second
episode work and.
I promise I gonna work hardmore and we gonna have more
(01:03:41):
episode coming soon.
Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Some very good things planned in the near future.
Yeah so, guys, thank you forlistening and see you next time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Bye, bye.
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