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mike (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome
to the sixth episode of my Thai
Wife podcast.
I'm Mike and sadly I'm stilldoing this podcast without my
lovely wife Sunaree.
In today's episode we willtouch on two subjects Is it a
good idea getting into arelationship with the Thai
Barolady, and what should youavoid when doing that, and 10
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expert tips for Pateha visitors.
So, as you know, I'm living inIsrael for about 5 years already
with my Thai wife, sunari,which is a former Barolady, and
it worked great for us.
But I heard many disturbingstories about similar
relationships that really wentsouth and ended in a lot of pain
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, frustration and grief for bothsides, some because of cultural
differences, some because ofage gaps, other by pure greed.
But I think 90% of thoserelationships shouldn't have
started from the beginning.
Almost everyone that have beento Pateha knows that it's a very
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luring city.
However, it can also be a verydangerous city for an even
gullible person.
There are things thatabsolutely will happen to you if
you are visiting there.
You will come back and you willfall for a Thai lady.
There is a stigma in Thailandtowards ladies that work in bars
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.
Even if they are providing agreat income to their families,
it's still hard to go back tonormal life after they walk the
bars.
It's difficult for them to getinto a serious relationship with
the Thai men and find a regularjob.
So at some point, usually oncethey cross the 40 mark, when
they are no longer the hot youngThai ladies they used to be and
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that it's getting harder forthem to find customers, they
start looking for a morepermanent solution, and that
solution is finding someone thatwill take them out of Pateha.
If a Thai lady is married witha foreign man, all the previous
stigma that was attached to heris replaced with respect and
validation as success story.
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I know there are some anomaliesfor bar walkers that chose to
stay alone and they are stillworking at the bars at their 50s
, 60s and even older, but thatis really rare.
All of those ladies are trainedto make you feel good about
yourself and to trust them.
They will always find a way toget into your heart.
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If, by sharing a personal andsad story that will bring out
the inner shiny white night thatwant to save this pure and
innocent soul that was wronglyfound herself in a dire
situation, or another knownmethod, is becoming the only
person that you can trust, bywarning you of all the possible
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scams and by asking you if youare hungry 3 times every day.
She would even offer cookingfor you and will be happy to
accompany you everywhere if youwould just show a slight
interest in doing anything elserather than sitting your fat ass
at her bar all day and drinkingbeers.
By doing all that, she willbring back to life your inner
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child that need his mommy totake care of him, feed him and
change his diaper.
A good friend of mine that havefew decades of Pattaya
experience over me once told methat those ladies are
grandmasters of social andemotional intelligence and that
most of them can read people ina matter of seconds.
If they cannot develop theseskills, they cannot walk at
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those bars and they would findthemselves broke very quickly
and go back to work the farmswith their families.
He also told me that manywestern pharangs don't seem to
understand that in mostinteractions between them and
the bar ladies, those ladiesaren't the one being used and
manipulated by the pharangs.
The pharangs are being used andmanipulated by those ladies.
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After I finished my service inthe army, I moved to the USA for
a year to work in thoseMalkiosk us israeli love to work
at and we used to have anickname for those people that
in first glance we knew we couldsell them whatever we want
without any effort.
They are very easy to recognize.
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Usually they carry a lot ofdifferent bags from different
stores they just visited.
They look left and right inorder to see if there is
something else that catchestheir eyes.
They don't try to avoid eyecontact and, most importantly,
they are very easy to distractand start conversation with.
We call them walking ATMs.
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You just need to push the rightbuttons and the money was
pouring out of them.
So most of those ladies thatwalk at the bars know how to
identify the walking ATM betterthan any kiosk mall salesman.
Almost 80% of them are comingfrom Isan, which is the eastern
part of Thailand.
The majority of them are comingfrom a low social economic
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backgrounds.
Many of them are single mothersthat got knocked up in their
late teens and they left theirchildren with their own parents
so they would be able to come toPataya, make money and provide
for their families, and findinga good and wealthy pharang that
willing to bring them to theircountry is just a bonus.
I have known ladies that haveseveral quotes on quotes pharang
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boyfriends that support themeven after they go back to their
countries.
One of those ladies once showedme that the money she received
the same month exceeded 250,000baht and this is just from her
boyfriends that aren't inThailand at the moment.
That said, I don't think thatall of those ladies are bad.
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I think they just played thegame by its rules and those
rules are in their favor.
As a pharang, there is only onerule that you need to understand
you are a walking ATM and inPataya, it's ATM hunting season
all year long.
Once you understand that, thegame gets much easier.
There is a saying you can takethe girl out of the bar, but you
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can't take the bar out of thegirl.
I don't agree with that.
Everyone have differentpersonality.
Some of those girls would behappy to meet a nice fang that
is willing to ignore their pastand make a future together,
while some other ladies are bornhustlers that want to get into
your wallet more than you wantto get into their pants.
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There are many varies that Ican think of that will determine
if she can be a suitablepartner for you or not.
After this brief introduction tothe game and now that you
understand the motivation andyou have a general idea of the
background, I can startexplaining the thumb rules that
you need to follow if you arethinking to start a relationship
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with one of those ladies.
Those rules are made from myexperience and the experience of
people I know personally.
They are not in any particularorder and shouldn't be taken too
seriously anyway.
Rule number one understand thatyou are not her first fang that
she is seeing.
Remember there is a history foreveryone.
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Those ladies work in the barsfor years and easy way to know
if she knew to the bars in hernote is if she speaks this in
English or not.
If she does, that means she isdoing that for some years
already.
So don't be surprised if shehad previous relationship with
other fang from all over theworld.
Rule number two try to avoiddrug addicts, and by that I
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don't mean if she is smokingsome weed.
They call it ganja over thereonce in a while.
There is a drug in Thailand thatcalled Diaba crazy drug.
In Thai language it's look likea pinkish pill.
It's a mixture ofmethamphetamine and caffeine.
It's equivalent of crack in theUSA, not only by its
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availability and cheap price,but also because of the damage
it's doing to the Thaicommunities.
It's a big problem in Thailandand in the recent years it's
become a real pandemic.
There is also a white powderthat usually named ice, which is
crystal meth.
Because I want to be asaccurate as possible on this
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subject, I will read you on theeffects and dangers of Diaba
from a website named Siam Rehab.
Effects of Diaba.
Immediate effects of Diaba arelight headness, which can be
followed by euphoria, increasedenergy, raised alertness and the
ability to stay awake for hoursand days.
At the time, these effectsdon't last very long, causing
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the Diaba abuser to takeanywhere from 5 to 30 pills a
day.
From the initial euphoria andalertness, the user may begin to
feel irredible or angry.
They may have no appetite andbe unable to sleep.
Nausea, hot flashes, sweatingand dry mouth are all short term
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effects that can appear duringthe calm down period of Diaba.
The psychological effects ofDiaba abuse One of the most
alarming effects of Diaba abuseand addiction is the mental
health problem which can beassociated with both prolonged
and even short time use.
A person may display extremeparanoia or confusion.
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Anxiety, aggression andviolence are all possibilities,
which is why Crime often goeshand in hand with Yabba abuse.
Rehab centers also reportedmany addicts experiencing
hallucinations or feeling of bugcrawling underneath their skin
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Due to energy rushes.
A Yabba abuser may suffer frominsomnia and nightmares as a
result of extreme highs and lows.
Depression and suicidaltendencies are common.
If you want to learn more aboutYabba and its effect on the
users, I will put this link inthe show notes.
So, for your own safety, try toavoid people that are using it,
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especially the bar ladies.
Also, if there is some kind ofdrug bust or something like that
and you are with a Thai personthat have drugs on them, they
can tell the police that it'syours and you will be in a huge
trouble.
The last thing that anyone thatvisit Thailand wants is to be
arrested and charged with drugpossession.
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Thai gels are some of thetoughest gels in the world.
Rule number 3 Try to avoidalcoholics.
When a lady walk at a bar, oneof the ways she can make money
is by making you pay forsomething that called a lady
drink.
Basically, if you want her tosit with you in the bar, you
need to pay for her time bybuying her a drink.
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Usually it costs almost doublethan the drink you ordered for
yourself, but make sure to askher how much a lady drink costs
before you order it.
The lady can decide what willbe her lady drink.
So not all lady drinks arealcoholic.
Some of them are just sodamixed with some coke for the
color, but many of the ladiesprefer just getting beers or
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sank some soda.
So because of that, many of theladies that walking the bars
are drinking a lot of alcohol ona daily base.
A lot of them are functioningalcoholics and even when they
stop walking there, they willstill keep consuming alcohol
every day.
My wife Sunari suffered fromthis problem and it's a real
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struggle for us.
Although she managed to lowerthe number of beers she drinks
every day, she still cannot gothrough a day without drinking
at all.
The alcohol problem can lead toa lot of stress in a
relationship and can obviouslylead to health problems and even
death.
I knew a bar lady that diedfrom liver deficiency at the age
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of 33.
If you are suffering fromalcoholism yourself, it won't do
you any good to stay withanother person that also
suffered from that.
Rule number 4, if she stole once, she will steal again.
95% of the ladies that walk atthe bars will never even think
about stealing money from you.
Yes, they will make you pay foralmost everything, but they
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will never steal from you.
If somehow you find yourselfwith someone of the other 5%,
just leave.
Don't trust someone that stealsfrom you.
It means that they don'trespect you and that if they
have a chance, they would doeverything in their power to
take whatever they can from youwithout even thinking about you
for a second.
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If you catch someone that stealfrom you, don't give them a
second chance.
They will definitely do itagain.
Also, if you find out some girlis stealing from you, tell her
that you are aware of herstealing and go speak with the
bar owner or the mama son.
They will repay you immediatelyand would also kick the one
that stole from you out of thebar.
Now, whatever you do, do not Irepeat, do not get physical with
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her.
Do not hit her.
If somehow police get involved,you will be the one to blame.
Rule number 5, try to use yourbrain, not your heart and your
dick.
Whenever you feel that youbegin to fall in love with a
Thai lady that you met recently,stop and think.
If you are not a Thai lady, youwill be a Thai lady.
If you begin to fall in lovewith a Thai lady that you met
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recently, stop and think if sheis really good for you.
It doesn't matter how hot sheis or how good in bed she is.
Try to think if she is going tobe a good partner.
Believe me, I know it's noteasy, but a good relationship
needs to be built on goodfoundations.
Which leads me to the next rule.
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Rule number 6, have somethingin common.
If you don't have at least fewthings in common with your Thai
girlfriend, it's going to getreally boring really fast.
But if you have sharedinterests like movies, books,
animals or some hobbies likegolf, pool swimming or bowling,
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there will be something to leanon after the honeymoon period.
I find it extremely importantto have shared values also, like
honesty, loyalty and respectingthe elderly.
Rule number 7, have something incommon If she is still working
in the bar.
You are not her boyfriend, youare her customer.
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Also very self-explanatory, butI have spoken with many friends
that told me.
So what if my girlfriend isworking in the bar?
She is loyal to me.
All the ladies that work in thebars work there for money, and
the best money you can make isby going to show time with
customers.
If you are really interested inbeing with her, you need to
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help her find another way toprovide for herself, or just
tell her to go stay with herfamily and support her
financially yourself.
Rule number 8.
Love takes time.
If she loves you after thefirst week, it's bullshit.
If it's too good to be true,it's probably is.
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I'm not going to elaborate onthat.
If you don't get it, you'rejust dumb.
Rule number 9.
Avoid age gap as much aspossible.
Most of the Farangs that I metin Pattaya are going with ladies
that are much younger than them.
If it's only for fun, I get it,but if you are going to get
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into a relationship with a Thailady, do yourself a favor and
don't do it with someone thatcould be your daughter or your
granddaughter.
Not only it's fuckingridiculous seeing an old, obese,
bald Danny DeVito pinging likeFarang, wobbling in the streets
hand in hand with a gorgeousThai lady.
Try imagining him going back tohis country with her.
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A lot of eyebrows will beraised.
There is no fucking way.
There is anything in commonbetween those two besides his
wallet.
Couples that have a smaller agegap will find more things in
common between them, they willmore likely do things at the
same pace and would most likelysucceed to stay together after
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the honeymoon period.
Also, there is a greater chanceit would look like a normal and
accepted relationship to yourimmigration officer if you do
decide to bring her to yourcountry, instead of you looking
like a child smuggler.
Rule number 10.
Be a man.
If you take care of her, takecare of her children as well.
As I explained before, many ofthe ladies that walk the bars
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are single mothers that lefttheir children with their own
parents so they can go toPatayana provide for their
families.
If you are in a seriousrelationship with a Thai lady
that have children, don'tneglect them.
Yes, they are not your children, but you are staying with their
mother.
Please do whatever you can tomake them feel wanted.
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They already been most likelyignored by their own father and
don't have much going on forthem in their own life.
Be a man, treat them like theyare your own children.
If you are moving with theirmother to your country, try to
see if there is an option tobring them as well.
Not only it will betremendously appreciated by her,
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you would also help them a lotby giving them a chance to go
with their mother, giving them afather figure and a functioning
family.
Rule number 11.
Thai women tend to be veryjealous.
Be careful.
I don't know if their fault forthis lies on the TV dramas they
watch all day on their phonesor there is some deep cultural
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reason for this, but I havenever seen anything as intense
as a Thai woman's jealousy.
Maybe not all of them are likethis, but the one I met were
fucking crazy.
Be careful.
They will be very suspicious ofevery phone call you answer to.
They will check your phone whenyou sleep and will do whatever
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they can to make sure you arenot seeing anyone else.
I've seen many couples that getinto physical altercations
because of their jealousy issues, and by that I mean if Aran
gets smacked by his girlfriendat best and getting a beer
battle smashed on his bald headat worst.
So, in general, just be careful.
Rule number 12.
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She will treat you the same wayshe treats other people.
If she is very nice to you butvery mean and derogative to
everyone else, stay away fromher.
It's an act and it will comeback to bite you on your fat ass
.
I have seen this many times onmy visits to Pattaya.
Again, it's part of the game,but try to observe the way she
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treats everyone else around herand if she is being a bitch to
them, prepare yourself becauseyou are next.
For conclusion, I do think thatit's not a bad idea to enter a
relationship with a Thai barlady, but it really depends on
who you are and what are youlooking for, and who is she and
what is she looking for, and ifthere is a real connection
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between you two more than justsex and financial benefits.
Bar ladies are as normal as anyother ladies out there.
Yes, there are more things youneed to worry about before you
commit to a relationship withthem, but generally speaking, I
do believe that, like any otherrelationship, it does worth at
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least trying to see if it fitsyou before you automatically
reject it because she works in abar.
Please share your stories withus.
We would love to read them.
If you have more rules that youcan think about, share them
with us as well.
Now to our second subject ofthis episode.
Many of you guys have been toPataya at least once in your
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life, but as someone that have alot of experience about it.
I want to share with you sometips and tricks about Pataya.
Tip number one both taxi andgrab taxi apps.
Do you remember the times youwould get out of the bar with a
lady or two and you want to goback to your hotel room to make
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an after party slumber party andyou start looking around for a
motorbike taxi with the orangevests to take you back to the
hotel?
And then you have to hug adrunk in order to lower the
price from 150 baht to 100 bahtjust for him to take you from
outside of walking street toyour hotel in Soibocau.
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It's really inconvenient andpretty expensive to spend that
much money for such a short ride.
So in the past few years thoseapps began to offer similar
services for a much cheaperprice.
Also, it's using GPS, so youdon't have to do anything more
than a push of a button in theapp to take you to the
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pre-configured location yourhotel, for example.
Also, many times you would findthat it's better to order a car
taxi with those apps, which ismuch safer than motorbike taxi,
and it's still cheaper than theprice that the motorbike taxis
with the orange vests offer.
Those apps are great.
Personally, I prefer Bolt taxijust because I find its user
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interface much more friendly.
Those apps don't offer theirservices all over Thailand, but
I know for sure they do offerthem in Bangkok, pattaya and
Phuket.
Tip number two don't be afraidto buy your food from street
vendors.
Generally, they offer the samefood that you can find in all
the Thai restaurants, minus thefood poisoning.
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The street vendors always sellfresher, cleaner and much
cheaper food than therestaurants and, in my own
opinion, it's ten times moredelicious.
Also, if you don't know what aspecific vendor is selling,
don't be shy to ask him.
99.9% of them are extremelyfriendly and would happily
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explain to you what they areselling.
By the way, if you don't eatspicy food, don't be shy to tell
them.
They will gladly make you anon-spicy version of whatever
they are selling.
Tip number three don't be afraidto try new venues and areas you
have never been to before.
Many of the farms that I metusually stays at the same hotels
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and go to the same bars andrestaurant for years.
I think they are missing a lotof what Pattaya have to offer.
It's a big city with many coolvenues.
You may find yourself enjoyingmore by meeting new people
discovering new places to eatand seeing more of the city.
There are great places all overthe city in Jom Tien, nak Lua,
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thucom area and the dark side.
So get your ass out of the sameold chair you sit in for years
in Bilabong Bar in LK Metro andstart exploring.
Tip number four don't brawl withthe locals.
This is something that I wouldsuggest not only when in Pattaya
and Thailand, but I would argueit's best to follow everywhere
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you visit in the world.
Unless you are in a life ordeath situation, do not start
brawling with the locals.
I have seen it happen more thana dozen of times A big drunk
pharang that is feeling entitledto scream at a much smaller
Thai man, or slapping a Thailady for some unknown reason.
Normally, within 15 seconds youwill see a swarm of Thai men
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surrounding him, take him downto the floor, kicking his face
in and breaking his legs.
It's not that they hatepharangs, but they hate
disrespectful, aggressivepharangs that acting like they
are better than them.
So just be respectful in anyinteractions you are having and
don't act like entitled piece ofshit, unless you want to spend
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your vacation in a hospital,drinking Tom Yum through a store
and shitting in a bag.
And remember it doesn't matterhow big and strong you are, you
cannot take on 15 people, sojust don't do it.
Tip number 5.
Don't drink too much.
Tourists that come to Pattayatend to enjoy the party
environment a little too muchwhen they stay back home with
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their 9-5 routine.
There is no way they areconsuming as much alcohol as
they do when staying in Pattaya.
I will admit, when I'm there Ialso tend to drink way too much,
so I'm not judging anyone, butI do know that it's unhealthy
and that if you are not used todrink that much on a daily base,
you are getting really fuckedup, and no one wants to be the
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sweaty, drunk, loud pharang thatis embarrassing himself by
being obnoxious and puking inthe street.
So it's ok to let go a littlebit when you are on your
vacation.
Just don't overdo it.
Know your limits.
Tip number 6.
Don't be scared of lady boys.
They will not rape you, unlessthis is something that you are
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interested in.
Some of the best time I had inPattaya was in mixed bars that
had few ladies and few lady boys.
Most of the lady boys arereally friendly and funny.
Sitting with them is likesitting with your best buddy
that for some reason have boobsand try to show them to you all
the time.
So next time a lady boy iscoming to sit next to you in a
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bar, don't act like you wouldturn gay just by talking to her.
Let her join you, buy her adrink and politely explain to
her that lady boys aren't yourthing.
I assure you she will not getmad and you might have a good
time just spending the eveningtalking and drinking with her,
or you will end up with a cockin your mouth.
Up to you.
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Tip number 7.
Take a day off once in a while.
Yes, yes, I know you plannedthis vacation for months and you
don't want to waste any momentof it, but I've seen pharangs
that go full on power for a weekand then get burned out and
sick, and then they have tospend half of their vacation at
their hotel room with athermometer up their asses,
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sweating and shitting the litersof alcohol and spicy food they
ate for the past week.
Relax, buddy, you're notcompeting with anyone.
If you're feeling like you'restarting to get a little burned
out, take a day off frompartying, go and watch a movie
at the central festival, or juststay by the pool at the hotel
for a day.
Believe me, a day of relaxingand reflecting back on your
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depraved acts of the past weekwill charge back your twin turbo
motor for another week ofpartying.
Tip number 8.
Don't leave your drinksunintended, especially in the
clubs.
You remember that in theintroduction to the first part
of today's episode, I told youthat pharangs are the victims in
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Pataya.
So here's another example.
It's not that common, but itdoes happen.
Some people may try to drag youand rob you by putting ruffies
or ifenol in your drink.
That will make you feel extremedrowsiness and then black out,
waking up a few hours later withyour pockets empty, feeling
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desecrated.
An easy way to avoid that isdon't leave your drink
unintended.
If you have to go to take apiece or dance with a gorgeous
lady that is smiling and winkingat you for the past 10 minutes,
don't come back afterwards andkeep drinking it.
Just order a new one.
It's cheaper than losing allyour belongings and needing to
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go to your embassy for issuingan emergency passport because
you were stupid enough to carryit to the club.
99% of the times I heard ithappened, it was in the clubs
and not the bars.
So be wary.
Tip number 9.
Book hotels in quieter areas soyou can get good sleep.
I know when you are planningyour trip to Pataya and doing
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all the necessary bookings whileyou fantasize about all the
perverted things you are aboutto do there.
It's very tempting to book yourhotel room in the middle of the
action like LK, metro, soy 6 oreven somewhere near Walking
Street.
Don't do that.
Not only those hotels usuallymore expensive just because of
their location, they are also invery noisy areas.
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The proximity to the actiondoesn't worth that.
There are far better hotelsthat offer much more for the
same price, or even cheaper, inquieter areas without all the
club music traffic and drunkpeople screaming all night long.
Those hotels are still in awalking distance from all the
interesting areas, but farenough so you don't hear that.
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And if you have issue walkingor just prefer being lazy, you
can use the taxi apps Imentioned before.
It will cost you a maximum of50 baht to get wherever you want
in Pataya.
I will mention two hotels that Ireally like.
I'm not getting anything fordoing so.
Those are just hotels that Ilike.
The first one is KTK PatayaHotel and Residence located at
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Pataya Klang Soy 12, a veryluxurious hotel that offer many
room options.
It has two pools, gym, arestaurant, a massage shop and a
bar, all on site.
All of that for a veryreasonable price compared to the
things it offers.
Also, it has a bus shuttle thatgoing 12 times a day to the
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main areas in the city free ofcharge.
Another hotel I would recommendis the Corner Lodge.
It's, without a question, thebest value for money you can get
in Pataya, even though it'sextremely cheap.
It doesn't feel that way.
The rooms are nice and cozy,with comfortable beds.
It has everything on site apool, a restaurant and a gym.
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It's located at the end ofPataya Thai Soy 10, so it's a
little bit remote, but Iconsider it a class and, as I
said before, it's still amaximum of 50 baht to wherever
you want to go.
There is also another bonus ifyou choose to stay there.
It's located a walking distancefrom one of the best lunges in
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Pataya, the telephone bar, whichI will tell you more about in
the future episodes, tip number10.
Pataya can be a family friendlycity.
In the recent years, there wasan attempt to turn Pataya to a
more family friendly touristdestination.
To make it happen, the cityofficials pushed the red light
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activities to specific areas andout of the main areas like
Walking Street and Nakrua.
The attempt was kind ofsuccessful and those areas are
almost free of those activities.
There was also a lot of moneyinvested in family friendly
attractions like water parks,new shopping centers like
Terminal 21 and many otherplaces that are very easy to
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find if you are interested inthem.
So if you are visiting Thailandas a family with children,
don't pass on Pataya.
You can have a great familyfriendly vacation over there
without ever interacting withthe red light areas.
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