March 2, 2024 • 43 mins
We're back, locking horns over the fiery debate that's captured the attention of sports enthusiasts and social justice advocates alike: Should transgender athletes compete in sports leagues that align with their gender identity? My co-host Lada and I don't hold back as we scrutinize the intricacies of physiological differences and the dire need for inclusivity in the athletic arena. With tensions running high, we grapple with the idea of LGBTQ+ exclusive leagues and strive to illuminate the often-misunderstood distinctions between gay, lesbian, and transgender athletes – all while keeping the conversation grounded in representation and acceptance.
The discussion takes a heartfelt turn when we navigate the colorful corridors of gender expression in youth, particularly within the school system. Remember the thrill and fear of expressing your true self for the first time? We pull at those threads, examining how dress codes can either quash or cultivate a student's burgeoning identity. From the empowering defiance of drag to the push for gender-neutral attire, our exchange champions the transformative influence of educational inclusivity on personal growth and academic success. Join us and witness the emergence of policies that celebrate every student's individuality.
As we wind down, the spotlight shifts to the urgent need for familial and educational support systems for LGBTQ+ youth. It's a deep dive into the contentious waters of puberty blockers, consent, and the role parents play in the gender identity exploration of their children. Finally, we transport you to the vivid landscapes of Thailand, sharing the unique challenges and cultural perspectives of transitioning in a society that weaves its own complex tapestry of acceptance and identity. From hormone treatments to transformative surgeries, the episode broadens the dialogue beyond the boundaries of the U.S., revealing the poignant realities of the transgender experience across the globe.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife
podcast.
I'm Mike and Sadly I'm stilldoing this podcast without my
lovely, lovely wife Sunari.
But as always you can guess,lada is here.
Hello, lada.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How was your week?
You okay, I'm great I heard youback in pocket and it's very
hot down there, yeah it's crazyhot.
Yeah, okay, first I want tostart this episode.
Everyone that listening to itcan hear that we got a new
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(00:38):
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We really appreciate that,thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Jonathan, you can be my future boyfriends.
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
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Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So we want to continue where we left off in
our last episode.
We have a little bit argumentme and Lada yeah.
She was angry me because I wasexpressing my feelings about
Trans sport.
Now I want to explain that whenI say transport, I don't mean
(02:08):
that in a decorative way.
I just mean that, as I toldbefore, that I don't think that
Trans people should compete withthe sex they feel as, because I
think there is a filePhysiology difference between
them.
So that was my opinion andLada's opinion is that.
(02:29):
Can you repeat your opinion?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah.
So it's about like a manypeople says about like Don't
want, about the tranquility topray without the lady sport and
also like, in my opinion, whichis things about like a yeah, you
have a man's spot, you have alady's spot, but where the trans
gender sport or the LGBTQ sport, we don't have any place to for
(02:56):
us to be, to be, do like at thespot, like it, when we go to
pray the spot with a man, theysaid, oh, you are fucking ladies
or you're feminine, you looklike a girls.
But when we are praying with agirl sauce lady, they said, oh,
you strong like a man.
So, as my opinion is like when,where, where should we?
(03:18):
Where should we stay or whereis the place for that way to
support for us?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
and okay, yeah.
So for me, I think that I Willtell you like that okay, let's
say there is a trans league.
Okay, let's say now we changethe rules and we make a trans
league.
Okay.
So I want to ask you a Translady and trans men should
(03:45):
compete together also.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
first of all, we need like, I mean like the first
step.
We want like a spot for likethe LGBTQ, not just only trans
women, but for everyone youthink yeah gay, gay Lady boys
wait wait, wait, wait, wait,wait.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I have to, I have to cut you.
Here.
You have professional Footballplayers that are gay.
You have professional footballbasketball players that are gay.
Golf Football last year inIsrael.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
There is a referee, you know, referee soccer
football.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
This that control the game.
Yeah, yeah trans, no problem.
So gay people are represented alot, and lesbians also, I guess
, in their own sport.
So I think we talking moreabout the trans community in
general.
Mm-hmm, I don't think wetalking about the gay community
or the lesbian community, for myopinion.
You can tell me if I'm wrong.
(04:45):
You think they are notrepresented in sports, right?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
now I think it's a standpoint.
It's like when we say it's likea gay, it thinks like maybe
just a gay or the trans gender,but like in our I mean, I don't
know, it's like what the art?
We, I think, like the othercountry, called at the
difference.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
For example, it's like our in Thailand.
We can call it a gay, but Ilady boy, so a transgender or
whatever, but everyone's likefrom Europe called us like a gay
, yeah, yeah to who?
To the lady boys, yeah that waslike you're gay because you,
you, you have cocks because youhave.
(05:30):
So wait, let's.
Let's this for one second,let's let us define for one
second.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah something that me and you agree this not
mean that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I have a reason to us , I agree Just.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So let's say they are .
First, we talk about lesbians.
Yeah, those are ladies, right,mm-hmm that they feel like
ladies?
Yeah, but the sex they want tomarry or have relationship with
is also a female.
So it's female with female.
Yeah okay, now we talk aboutgays.
Yeah gays are men.
They call their self ma,themselves men's right, but they
(06:07):
would like to date with men, soit's male with male.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We not calling ourselves like a man?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
wait.
And then there is trans people.
Yeah, trans people it's.
Let's say, you are born a man,but you know that you are a lady
, so you change yourself to be alady.
You don't have to have anysurgery, you don't have to do
anything in order to do that,but because you identified
yourself as a lady, as a female,so you are a female, right?
(06:35):
So it's a very big differencebetween gay people and the trans
people.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think it's not different, like for my life,
like I asked a lady boy, yeah,and oh yeah.
So it's like this I want to.
Maybe this is a good question.
That you asked me is becauselike to be like us, like to be I
(07:02):
can say, like to be atransgender, maybe trans woman,
mm-hmm, we start from a littleboys.
Yeah, a little boy grow up,maybe with a good environment,
environment maybe bad, but wefeel like we want to be a ladies
, but because of the, theenvironment that we stay.
I mean, it's about the family,about the friends or about the
(07:26):
Provinces, or something trickover there.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, all the environment young.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, all the environments that we grow up.
Maybe they're not really allowus to To show what we are.
Okay, yeah, sir, I can startwith my opinions with with
myself.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, your experience yeah when I was young.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I know myself in a what, very young that I want to
be a ladies.
Okay, yeah, I know myself, mygrandma she know that, and you
feel like a lady.
I feel like that Perfect, yeah.
And when I go to the marketwith my grandma's, I always like
to see a woman's dress mm-hmm awoman dress like a like a
(08:09):
little moment dress or somethinglike very feminines or for
little girls.
Okay, I'm a boy, mm-hmm, yeahand I, but but on that time I
don't know what, what, what I am.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So wait.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I just know that I, like, I Want to be a ladies, so
I just hope you one second.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
In the new terms that's mean that you were a boy
that identified.
Yeah, let's say you are a malethat identified as a female,
identify himself themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, you born can be , I brought like a boy, yeah,
but you, you are a lady foryourself you are a lady, but I
feel like I'm a lady so you showeveryone a new talk, also in
time.
I cannot show everyone likethat, but I know what myself.
I know what I am, yes, butbecause, as I told you, so again
(09:01):
, because of the family and alsobecause, like, and my grandma
have like seven kids.
My mom is the oldest one, butanother six people.
They don't want me to be likethis, but when my mom passed
away, so, but my grandma grow meup and she knows that who I am
but, she cannot tell everyonethat, oh, my baby is be like
this, my baby is a gay, my babyis a lady boy, my baby is she
(09:23):
not say anyone, but she know sheunderstand me well, but not
with another six people in myfamilies.
They don't want me to be likethat.
Even through they know that whoI am.
I'm just like a weak little boy.
So we cry all the time and whenI see a man I like to spend the
time with like a ladies, but Ilike a man but, I have a lot of
(09:46):
lady friends but you areinterested in a man?
yeah, but your friends areladies yeah, but I cannot show
that things to everyone.
You know, sometimes I need tohold my feelings.
Sometimes I need to be likeyou're, to act like a boy like a
normal one yeah there is a bigdifference in Thai language for
many other languages, westernlanguage.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
When you talk with someone you are, you are
identifying your sex.
For example, if I want to saythank you in Thai, if I'm man I
say Kho Pun Kap, but if I'm ladyI say Kho Pun Ka yeah.
I want to know with yourfriends you speak as a man or as
a lady how you show yourselfwhen you speak.
You say Kap or Ka, this veryinteresting.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
This one is another big topic.
Also say I see now a day formyself.
When I talk, you mean now, oryou mean like throwback time
when you was young when we wasyoung.
We are.
I'm still have a short hair andI still like wear a boy dress
so you say Kap, we say club.
(10:51):
Yeah, even to.
We want to say Kap mm-hmm andsome people can say, huh, can?
People can say, like just amiddle you know not.
Kap, not club, but huh, yeah,something like that.
But some, even through nowadays, some gay with like I can say,
like your LGBTQ maybe, becausesometimes like the LGBTQ plus,
(11:15):
it's kind of like a very, verybig words so we can cover every
not a 100% that we can coverwith how many sexuality is
because we have a lot, yeah, soI call this one to LGBTQ plus.
So some people can still likeyour like to wear a woman dress,
(11:36):
mm-hmm, some people you can seelike a drag queen or drag you
mean close this.
Yeah, a man's like a all hisbody is a man, but when he have
a show like a drag queen show,okay, he make up amazing.
He make up incredible, he wearsa woman dread and he perform
like amazing, mm-hmm, like alady.
But when they go back to thenormal life, this is like a kind
(12:00):
of like a man, but some somewhere a man clothes but some
where a woman clothes, puts awig on, but some still wear like
a me.
Those you know, it's like howthey say sometimes like, yeah,
some, how you feel today.
Today you can wear woman dress,you can wear it, you can put
the wigs on if you happy, andthe other days you can be like a
(12:22):
man.
Okay, if you happy with that.
No, no, no, no.
It doesn't matter what you wantto wear and some people are
still, well, like a, look like aman, but very sexual.
See a knit shirt.
Yeah, very sensual yeah, veryessential to be like that.
It's depend on.
It's depend on where they are,it's depend on their family.
(12:44):
It's depend on what make thehappy okay yeah, so, and also
like go back to the point yeahyeah, let's go back to the
points, like when I was young.
I'm a little boys, but I knowmyself that I want to be a
little girls.
Yeah, I want to wear a womandress, but I cannot wear it
because on that time throwbackfor 10 years, 20 years, 30 years
(13:06):
before not really open yeah notreally open like nowadays.
Yeah, sometimes like we need tocare about what people looking
at us as well, so I'm just likea little boy that want to be our
a little ladies or a littlegirls.
And then when I grow up alittle bit, yeah.
(13:29):
When I'm in the high school,yeah, I become more movement
like a gay.
Okay like a ladies.
But, still have short hair, butsometimes I like to put the
powder on my face.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I like a little bit makeup to look a little bit more
feminine.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, and sometimes I put like a gift or something
like a, put on my hair like akitty or something like that,
like something cute forsomething cute something make us
beautiful, or sometimes we canput like a eyelash or yeah,
something and the school allowthis.
Some school allow, some schoolnot allow.
This is what I want to talk alsoso I want all the school to
(14:08):
allow About is like oh, if youare gay or if you are LGBT, oh,
you want to wear like a someLGBT Q, we have a tomboy also.
They don't want to wear a womandress, they don't want to wear
a woman costume.
Yeah, to go to the school.
Don't want to wear like a manand some gay or some lady boys
or something like yeah, we wantto wear a woman's, we don't want
(14:31):
to wear like a man's.
So I want all this cool to openthis, because the uniform, it's
not that thing that can say likeif you wear a man, a man
uniform, or you wear a woman'suniform, you can learn in the
class very well, the customerdoesn't matter.
The big point is what you do inthe class, what we learn.
(14:53):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Agree with that.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, I don't want.
I don't want the teacher or thepeople who like a top up from
the teachers.
You know in my country tocontrol, like everyone, like you
need to add it, you need to addit, you need to do.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
In my country, when I young, yeah, even when I young,
mm-hmm, there is a Gendergender neutral uniform.
That mean yeah the only thingthat you need to wear a shirt.
Everyone wear same shirt.
Everything else up to you, justshirt with school name you know
it's great everything else.
You want to wear Skirt, you canwear skirt.
(15:30):
You want to wear whatever.
Of course, you have to wearshoes also.
Yeah, but just about shoes.
But you want to wear high heel.
Well, hi, no one care.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
just the shirt need to be a For everyone the same,
you know, yeah, and also it'snot today like, yeah, the same
point when I, when I'm in theschool, the school not really
open for the.
Yeah, I'm lucky that my, myhigh school it's like a Open up
more, so we can do like ours,can make some show, or they
(16:02):
support us very well and I lovemy school but not.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You can make some show, they let you do like
performance.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, every time when we have like Festival or
something like to make like abig costume or something like in
Thailand, we have many festivalright in this festival or many
big days.
Yeah, we have some show.
Like a mother day, like afather day, we're gonna do some
show and we always the t-shirtis put us to be like the LGBTQ
(16:32):
or the lady voice or gay.
Yeah, yeah, to do like I show,to take care about the costumes,
because we do this very well,mm-hmm, and also the decoration
we do very well also.
Yeah, I think the good thingsabout our GBTQ or the lady boy
is like we have like a very goodimagination, very creative.
Yeah, we very creative.
(16:53):
Yeah, so we do these thingslike something that people don't
know.
It's like, oh, what the fuck itis, but we can make it happen
and it's made perfectly andbeautifully.
Yeah, we create a colorful forthe world.
Yeah, more fun, small,beautiful, more interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, more surprise, something like that.
And yeah, when, yeah, I want tocall out to like all the school
, to let like all the girls orall the little boy to To be
themselves, whatever the onegender gender neutral.
Yeah, about the gender they canshoot what they want to wear,
(17:33):
like a woman's or a man, theycan shoot.
You can open mine for them,okay, because like an, also
another thing is like a bigtopic also it's a hair.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So, wait, wait wait, wait, wait before you continue.
Yeah, this is a good topic andI tell you why.
Yeah, two weeks ago we got acomment on three episodes ago
From someone that alreadycommented to us many times.
Yeah, you remember he have.
They live in California, he hasa gender wife, yeah he said If
(18:05):
Lada can change like three orfour rules in Thailand, let's
say now she, she will be theprime minister.
Yeah, what five rules youchange for help the LGBTQ
community?
Not only that, he want to knowin general, what five rules you
change.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So number one.
You say about uniform.
Right, yeah, I start from theschool.
Okay, about the education.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
So this number one.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think number one is the family first.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
If you have like a, if you have a little boys or
little girls like your son oryour daughters that don't want
to be whatever that you'redreaming for, like when you get
a boy and you want a boy to be aman.
But if that little boy you wantto be a gay or you want to be a
trans woman in the future, Iwant them to open mine.
(18:56):
Okay and also, if you have agirl and she don't want to be
like a girl, she want to be likea tomboy or whatever.
Whatever that you need to dofor all the parents, I need the
parent to support them.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Okay and don't force it to be like this.
You mean support them by law.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
No, by exception.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, but that the law will force the parents to
accept them.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I think Sometimes the law is good when you live in
the, in the normal life, right,I mean when you get out from the
house.
But the most important thing isyou start in the house.
Okay, yeah, if you get like aRespect or exception from the
family first, I think it's thebest thing to start everything.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So what law you make about this?
Yeah, what, what, what you sayabout the law?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I want like a.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like if someone not accept their children,
government take their childrenaway from them.
You won't take this.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, I think this is not good also this is not good
because, like we talked about,like the first thing, that maybe
not just um, not only said likeonly a law, but I mean whatever
I want to make to change.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, I understand.
So you want like all of them isthe law is very trick, very
Fixed things.
Yeah, yeah, it's thick.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, very thick, but I want, I don't want you to
stick like that strict, strict,sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's okay,yeah, so start from the family
first.
Yeah, whatever you have withthe kid, whatever they want to
be, support them.
Okay, yeah, support them,accept them and give them a love
.
Same, same.
(20:37):
The other boys Don't be like.
You know, it's like are all theLGBTQ, or Especially the lady
boy.
Most, many, many lady boy growup like a like a, like a gay,
like that, and maybe many timesthat daddy Hit on.
Okay, hurt with the feelings,yeah, yeah, with the violin in
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the family and it's a bigproblem.
You know it's a big scar in herheart when she grow up.
You know I think this one isnot good, but I can see nowadays
, I see it's on the social media, I see it's like on tiktok, on
whatever's like.
The family is more exception.
Okay, and they support yeah moreaccepting and they support this
(21:21):
.
It's really good.
So the first thing, acceptingexception or respect in the
family first and support them,okay.
And the second thing, when theygo to the school, I want the
school to support also, not justonly the families, so can.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I ask you a question about this.
There is a big controversy,controversy controversy, Sorry
yeah that's right In americaright now about the.
They are giving a puberty,puberty blockers at a really,
really young age yeah, likeEight or seven, like if someone
(21:58):
you heard about that.
So let's say now you go inamerica, yeah, right, and you
are seven years old, yeah, andyou feel today you want to be
like a lady.
If you go to the school and youspeak with someone, they not
have to tell your parents andthey can give you puberty
blockers, what you know?
(22:18):
What?
These are videos, the pills atage of seven.
This in America right now, andeveryone say this is a very bad
law, that fucking crazy, this isnot good.
Because why?
Everyone say it's not good.
They say, okay, let's set anage.
Let's say maybe 16 or 14, anage that someone can already
(22:42):
decide from themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I think for my opinion that seven year old, six
year old or eight year old it'stoo young to decide For my
opinion.
I want to know your opinionabout that.
You think that that's a goodlaw that the school can give
puberty pills, puberty blockers,for the Young children at that
young age, without telling theirparents?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's crazy.
I Think it doesn't matter, likemaybe it's like people like to
say, like when they are youngthey can control, they can do
everything's, but you are forthe exception from the parents,
but you don't ask for theexception For that girl or for
the boy, because sometimes theexception from the family it
(23:29):
doesn't means like the girls orthe little boy one.
You understand.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, this is the point also, even through, the
parents, allow the school tokeep this one.
No, no, the parents not allowed, the parents don't know.
I mean, even through, if theparent around allows the school
to keep this pu to your students, okay, but the children is
doesn't accept things.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The children is no, they say no but you said no, you
don't understand what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I understand because, like are you things like at the
young generation or the, thelittle girls or the little boy
is very small and don't verylittle, and maybe they don't
know what they want to be, maybethey can't feel, but we are not
confused.
I know myself in a lot, veryyoung, but we are not the
fashions.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Okay, I accept that, but this is a very Subjective
point what I mean, that this isyour life.
Yeah, you are not like someoneelse.
Yeah, maybe someone else isFeeling different, maybe I'm not
sure.
Yeah, no, or maybe they get apeer pressure from their friends
Maybe they, the two bestfriends, do this, so they feel,
(24:42):
oh, maybe I need to do that aswell.
You know, I, for my opinion,there is need to be an age Gap
for that age limit, for that,let's say, I don't know which
age, maybe we can decidetogether but, I, think Eight is
very young age for decidesomething big like that in your
(25:02):
opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
You think like the eight is matter.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It's like when you grow up, I think the brain is
not developed enough To tounderstand to do that some no
discuss is perfect, I think.
Discuss is children.
Even the age of four canalready Explain their opinions
and stuff like that.
I don't mean this, but I thinkthe brain of a young Child is
(25:26):
not developed enough yet to knowwhat is long-term Decisions.
How can they affect their life?
For example okay if I'm veryyoung and I, I think I don't
want to have my arm, I cut myarm Okay, but maybe later.
And they said, oh, but now Idon't have arm, I cannot walk,
you know, and these pubertyblockers, you cannot go back
(25:50):
after you take them.
That fuck you know, you changeall your body?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, because our, in my opinion, the eight, it
doesn't matter, even through M25years old or M30 years old.
I don't want to take any pills.
I want to find myself by myself.
Sometimes I can be ladysometimes.
If I, for example, right nowI'm a lady, boys right, I want
to have boobs.
I want to like a, do a surgery,maybe the book first, but when
(26:20):
it grow up, maybe I'm 40, now 35.
When I'm 40, if I want to be aman, I can take the move off,
okay, and be back to the man.
I think Everyone have therights on them.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Body, yeah but if my right on my body say I want to
take this pill.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But if you really want to take those things is
your choice.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, at what age?
Yeah, at what age I can decide.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What age you can decide.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Any five.
So you think like age five isgood age to start to take in
this are.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Maybe it's too young.
Okay, yeah, I just want toyoung to be thinking.
Say what we really are.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Maybe we still confuse so what they want to be
appropriate.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I Think it's maybe 18 .
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I think 18 is too late, for example, I know, for
me if you have me In my country.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know in other countries, I just talk about my
experience at age of 16, youcan already have a driving
license.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Hmm, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I think age 16 is good age for decide for yourself
if you want to take those pillsor not.
16 I think your brain isalready developed enough.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
In my opinion, 16, we are still young.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, so we are not agreeing on any subject.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Because, for example, 16, we still be like in the
school before high school,before high school, but things
like, people learn more thingswhen we go to high school.
So, I think STN is good.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So you think that the law in America?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But the things that I know is like support this puke
because if you take it, if youtake it so you cannot go back to
whatever you want before youcan't fuck up your system.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's hormones.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So I know for me, I don't support, I don't want to
stand with this puke.
I don't want to stand with thepeople who want to give this
puke to the people.
There are so many things thatwe can discard for the life, not
just only for this.
But I think people have theright to shoot whatever they
want to be.
(28:44):
So I don't support with thispuke.
Maybe the time that some peoplewant to take that puke, maybe
they can't feel it, maybe allthe environments, like families
or the friends or the peoplearound them, tell them oh, you
need to take it.
You need to take it becauseit's good, because maybe you
confuse, but sometimes they'renot like.
(29:06):
Some people can decideeverything by themselves.
But, some people.
They listen to a lot of peopletoo much.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
As I said before, peer pressure.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So I think I don't support this puke, no matter any
age.
I don't support this.
This is crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So you never heard about this?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, I never heard about this.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's fucking big.
In America right now there is avery big problem because half
of the country say we supportthat.
We think if someone wants tochange their sex at whatever age
, they can do.
But the other country said thatno, this is not appropriate age
.
If you want to do that, youhave to do that later.
By the way, they say like 14,if I'm not mistaken this.
(29:58):
I don't remember 14 or 15.
But they say around this agethey want to start to give If
someone wants.
So it's very crazy that in acountry like Thailand and now
I'm talking to a Thai person,that is, a lady boy.
And she thinks that it's toomuch at too young age.
(30:21):
So I think that the generalidea of this topic is still very
controversial.
I think no one still know whatwe really need to do in order to
be helpful.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
In my opinion that's, as I said, maybe like 6, 7
years old.
She's too young, but for me ageit's like we can decide
whatever we want to be.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah but they automatically give.
Let's say you go to yourteacher when you're 8.
Let's say 12.
You go to your teacher.
Your teacher come to you, saywait, you're a man or lady.
I'm a lady, okay, you can takethese pills.
The teacher have the pills togive to the children.
That's bad.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So because I sometimes the teacher give for
them and then the kids justcan't feel what they want to be
and then most of the kids theylisten to the teacher.
So when the teacher said, thisis bad, this is not you, you're
not an LGBTQ, you should be aman.
And then the teacher give forthem and some family they
support their baby to be likethat, you understand, and the
(31:36):
teacher give for the kid withoutany exception from the families
.
That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
The teacher is not allowed to tell the parents.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's crazy, yeah, so you see.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
First we talk about the law you want to change in
Thailand but, you want to change, but not as much.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You think have to find some middle ground, yeah,
middle, maybe it's like we cando more after 10 years.
Now we want to start in themiddle, go back, go back to the
first point.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I'm so sorry but I think this is very good,
yeah, very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I like to talk with this one also.
So the first of all, like Italk about myself.
Yeah, first I'm a little boythat I want to be a lady boys,
but not finish with the ladyboys, I want to be a trans woman
.
Okay, you see what the step?
A boy want to be a girlsbecause they like a girl stuff
(32:38):
and they want to.
They like a man also, they likea boy friend yeah.
And for myself when I was young,I'm a little boys.
And then the next step, whenthey grow up a little bit, I
shan't be a gay.
Okay, yeah, people call me as agay or in Thailand we call
(32:59):
katoi katoi katoi.
It's like a boy that want to belike a girl, Okay yeah katoi,
katoi, something like that.
I hate these words.
Yeah, this not good word, notgood word.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
This is decorative.
This means something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
This is the words that I heard in the West Young's
like, when a man is bullied tome oh, you're katoi, you're
katoi, you're katoi.
You do see, you're katoi.
It's like a very negative word.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, decorative Okay .
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, so it's like and then it's not to be a gay
Like, I still wear a man costumea man clothes.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, but my heart, but my heart I want to be a
ladies but because of like theenvironment, this, maybe the
school or whatever that I cause,like all at work, I cannot wear
a woman dress.
Yeah, I still be a gay.
I like a man.
And after that, when I grow up,when I'm 24, I think 24, after
(34:00):
I finish the fucking army, yeah,the army is not really.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I told you about this stuff before.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, if you listen about our podcast, yeah, it
means that you need to.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
She was the army Interesting about this thing.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You need to go back to our podcast and then listen
about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, it's in the second episode that I did with
Lada.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, After 23 years old, after I finish the fucking
army.
Yeah, I don't tell you how manymen I have in there.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You told you forget, but you told in the podcast how
many.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
And then and then, after I finish, I put my lips on
, I put the red lipstick on,yeah, a lipstick on a red
lipstick on, I wear a pink wigsand I wear a woman dress.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You see, how shams.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Step by step, yeah, so, and after that, I become
Lady Boy.
Okay, maybe not a 100% of LadyBoy, because Lady Boy sometimes
they do things like the wordsthat Lady Boy it's like I should
have a book first.
Like I have a book but I stillhave a cock.
(35:09):
For have a breast but stillhave a cock, yeah, okay, yeah,
that's what we call Lady Boy,right, but if I still have, I
still have no book, right, but Istill be Lady Boy.
Some people can call me gay,but I don't like the people to
call me gay because I am notlike I wear a woman dress, I do
(35:29):
make up one hour, two hours, butthen you call me a gay.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
No, by the way, guys, if you send money, this go to
her boobs, don't forget.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So I will become 100% of Lady Boy.
Yeah, yeah, and then the LadyBoy is kind of like a lady's gay
with the boobs.
Like we become kind of like aLady Boy.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Something in the middle, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Something in the middle.
So you see the first step.
And then, if I'm the Lady Boy,I still I have boobs, but I
still have cock, but I want tocut my cock off.
Okay, so when I have pussy Ibecome trans woman, I become
transgender.
So you see how many steps I'vehad.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
A boy, a gay, a lady boy, send in trans woman.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
This is your transition.
Yes, this is most of Lady, thisis most of trans woman In
Thailand.
In Thailand, yeah, become, yeah, yeah, maybe not just only in
Thailand and not the country aswell If I will continue to tell
you someday.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I don't want to talk about this, but what is going on
in America right now?
You will be shocked.
They do the chop chop Americanare way fucking crazy.
14 years old, you can cut.
I think it's good, 14 years old.
Yes, Cut cock.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, if you want to be 14.
That's better.
You know, I want to cut thisthing, since I was like 10 or 9
or maybe 11.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But this is your moneymaker.
You make money out of this.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You know, like when most of the gay or most of the
Lady boys are gay.
I mean, it's like a gay whowant to be a lady boy, yeah, and
who want to be a trans woman.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They want to cut In the last step.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, we take the pills, we take the Lady hormone
pills when we are in the highschool or maybe younger.
We take this pill step by step,step by step, step by step, and
when you finish high school,you become more feminine, you
have very good skin, you don'thave too much hair like a boy
(37:39):
and you have like a small penisand you have like a beautiful
long hair.
Okay, yeah, because we take, wejust preparing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
But you said, but five minutes ago you said high
school is too young age for that.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Young age for that pill, but this is the pill they
give, the hormones.
I mean, like, how should I sayI don't?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
want to put you on the spot.
Don't understand me.
I don't want to say, haha, yousaid before different.
I just want to understand.
I want to understand what weare thinking about that, because
as a straight man I cannot tellmy opinion because I'm not part
of this community.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
But difference also, because like that pill is crazy
and not what we shoot, but thisthing we shoot, it's the same
pill the puberty blockers is thesame pill that the Lady
hormones but you said, if wetake this one, we cannot be a
(38:45):
man, we cannot be like.
No, you cannot be.
Small boobs, little bit you.
And after you take this pillyou cannot back to be like.
You cannot.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It's no, you can, but it's hurt everything down there
, so maybe you cannot havechildren, you cannot have sperm.
You know what I mean and it'sso different pill this is so
strong stronger.
It's stronger than what, yeahstronger and what we take.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
This one, I told you.
So we take a lady home on, stepby step we have one pill that
we call androquo okay, androquois very strong pill, so when you
take it you need to take like afour pieces from one.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I would like to.
You can talk.
I checking yeah and rockandroquo wait one second yeah,
it is a puberty blockers whichkind they give.
(39:51):
Let's say no okay androquo.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So I continues my things.
Yeah, so we take androquo justa little bit pieces so it's
Leopold and hysterical.
This is what they give yeahit's one, it's one shot, and
pill also, yeah, but we not takemuch so here they give 22
(40:20):
milligrams.
Yeah, so we take a little bitof androquo.
We take like in Thailand, wecall ya come is our is a is a
drows.
That's like a when lady want,don't want to have a baby,
mm-hmm yeah yeah.
I don't know what English call.
So we take this thing togetherwith this and some white to mean
(40:41):
and some lady home on size,estrogen or something like that
together, but step by step okaybut some lady, some lady boy,
they take too much also, so itcan be like your blur or
something, like something thattoo much is not good, okay, yeah
, but but some people mostly wetake step by step yeah so we
(41:02):
take these things and also, likeour, go back to the point that
about the pill that you says inAmerica I think it's wrong.
Good than what we take.
Yeah, because this pill we stillgo back to a man anytime we
want, but maybe your cock is notreally hard, is take time to be
grow up or maybe you need totake a man home on again okay if
you want to go back, yeah, butthis pill most of all about
(41:25):
androquo and all the things thatI I said, like the lady boy
take to be preparing to be atrans woman mm-hmm yeah, it's
make your cock smaller okaysmaller and not getting hard.
Some can get hard, but mostlynot get hard and also like are
you will be more feminine aboutthe skin, about the hair, about
(41:45):
the body.
It's you can have likesometimes you can get a little
bit boobs also okay, but notmuch, yeah, yeah.
So what what I says?
It's like to become a transwoman.
We come from a little boy, gay,lady boys and then trans woman.
Right, but some people want tostop at a gay, some people want
(42:07):
to stop at a lady boys and somepeople want to go on the way,
want to be like her.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, all the way, yeah so it's very big community
so I have to stop you right nowwe can.
We came to the end of the timewe have right now for this
episode and we will continuethis conversation yeah, yeah in
the next episode okay, okay sothank you everyone for listening
.
I hope you enjoy.
Please don't angry me andladder for our opinions.
(42:34):
We just people like you.
We everyone have differentopinions.
Yeah, yeah, I hope we enrichyour, your knowledge and not
hurting it, and if someone isoffended, we are not mean to be,
yeah, to hurt anyone.
Everyone is entitled for theirown opinion and we would like to
(42:54):
hear what's your opinion eventrue in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
We cannot say it's like we are the same story,
because I depend on the familyas well, yeah, depend on the
person as well.
So we have like a lot of sorryabout this you want to say
something to?
Our listeners.
What should I say?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
maybe you can keep saying okay, she want to say
that.
Thank you for listening, yeahyeah and we will hear you in the
net.
We will.
You will hear us on our nextepisode.
Thank you everyone, bye, byebye, bye.
Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai wife
podcast.
I'm Mike and Sadly I'm stilldoing this podcast without my
lovely, lovely wife Sunari.
But as always you can guess,lada is here.
Hello, lada.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How was your week?
You okay, I'm great I heard youback in pocket and it's very
hot down there, yeah it's crazyhot.
Yeah, okay, first I want tostart this episode.
Everyone that listening to itcan hear that we got a new
microphone for Lada, so we wantto thank our listener, jonathan,
(00:38):
for donating Some money for us,so we buy this microphone.
So I hope from now on it willbe in much, much, much better
quality.
And thank you, jonathan.
We really appreciate that,thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Jonathan, you can be my future boyfriends.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So, jonathan, now you have a chance.
You did your move, now you cando another move.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I need a bigger microphone.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I don't know what you mean.
So any of you guys that Want tohelp us, maybe get for
equipment or just keep us going,we would love if you just
Support our channel by justdonating to the, to the link
that I post with the episode.
It's cost from three to tendollars every month.
(01:30):
It's monthly subscription andyou can cancel anytime, so don't
worry about that.
But again, even like or shareor any comment is helpful enough
.
You don't have to feel pressureto do that.
So again, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So we want to continue where we left off in
our last episode.
We have a little bit argumentme and Lada yeah.
She was angry me because I wasexpressing my feelings about
Trans sport.
Now I want to explain that whenI say transport, I don't mean
(02:08):
that in a decorative way.
I just mean that, as I toldbefore, that I don't think that
Trans people should compete withthe sex they feel as, because I
think there is a filePhysiology difference between
them.
So that was my opinion andLada's opinion is that.
(02:29):
Can you repeat your opinion?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah.
So it's about like a manypeople says about like Don't
want, about the tranquility topray without the lady sport and
also like, in my opinion, whichis things about like a yeah, you
have a man's spot, you have alady's spot, but where the trans
gender sport or the LGBTQ sport, we don't have any place to for
(02:56):
us to be, to be, do like at thespot, like it, when we go to
pray the spot with a man, theysaid, oh, you are fucking ladies
or you're feminine, you looklike a girls.
But when we are praying with agirl sauce lady, they said, oh,
you strong like a man.
So, as my opinion is like when,where, where should we?
(03:18):
Where should we stay or whereis the place for that way to
support for us?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
and okay, yeah.
So for me, I think that I Willtell you like that okay, let's
say there is a trans league.
Okay, let's say now we changethe rules and we make a trans
league.
Okay.
So I want to ask you a Translady and trans men should
(03:45):
compete together also.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
first of all, we need like, I mean like the first
step.
We want like a spot for likethe LGBTQ, not just only trans
women, but for everyone youthink yeah gay, gay Lady boys
wait wait, wait, wait, wait,wait.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I have to, I have to cut you.
Here.
You have professional Footballplayers that are gay.
You have professional footballbasketball players that are gay.
Golf Football last year inIsrael.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
There is a referee, you know, referee soccer
football.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
This that control the game.
Yeah, yeah trans, no problem.
So gay people are represented alot, and lesbians also, I guess
, in their own sport.
So I think we talking moreabout the trans community in
general.
Mm-hmm, I don't think wetalking about the gay community
or the lesbian community, for myopinion.
You can tell me if I'm wrong.
(04:45):
You think they are notrepresented in sports, right?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
now I think it's a standpoint.
It's like when we say it's likea gay, it thinks like maybe
just a gay or the trans gender,but like in our I mean, I don't
know, it's like what the art?
We, I think, like the othercountry, called at the
difference.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
For example, it's like our in Thailand.
We can call it a gay, but Ilady boy, so a transgender or
whatever, but everyone's likefrom Europe called us like a gay
, yeah, yeah to who?
To the lady boys, yeah that waslike you're gay because you,
you, you have cocks because youhave.
(05:30):
So wait, let's.
Let's this for one second,let's let us define for one
second.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, yeah something that me and you agree this not
mean that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I have a reason to us , I agree Just.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So let's say they are .
First, we talk about lesbians.
Yeah, those are ladies, right,mm-hmm that they feel like
ladies?
Yeah, but the sex they want tomarry or have relationship with
is also a female.
So it's female with female.
Yeah okay, now we talk aboutgays.
Yeah gays are men.
They call their self ma,themselves men's right, but they
(06:07):
would like to date with men, soit's male with male.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
We not calling ourselves like a man?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
wait.
And then there is trans people.
Yeah, trans people it's.
Let's say, you are born a man,but you know that you are a lady
, so you change yourself to be alady.
You don't have to have anysurgery, you don't have to do
anything in order to do that,but because you identified
yourself as a lady, as a female,so you are a female, right?
(06:35):
So it's a very big differencebetween gay people and the trans
people.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think it's not different, like for my life,
like I asked a lady boy, yeah,and oh yeah.
So it's like this I want to.
Maybe this is a good question.
That you asked me is becauselike to be like us, like to be I
(07:02):
can say, like to be atransgender, maybe trans woman,
mm-hmm, we start from a littleboys.
Yeah, a little boy grow up,maybe with a good environment,
environment maybe bad, but wefeel like we want to be a ladies
, but because of the, theenvironment that we stay.
I mean, it's about the family,about the friends or about the
(07:26):
Provinces, or something trickover there.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, all the environment young.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, all the environments that we grow up.
Maybe they're not really allowus to To show what we are.
Okay, yeah, sir, I can startwith my opinions with with
myself.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Yeah, your experience yeah when I was young.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I know myself in a what, very young that I want to
be a ladies.
Okay, yeah, I know myself, mygrandma she know that, and you
feel like a lady.
I feel like that Perfect, yeah.
And when I go to the marketwith my grandma's, I always like
to see a woman's dress mm-hmm awoman dress like a like a
(08:09):
little moment dress or somethinglike very feminines or for
little girls.
Okay, I'm a boy, mm-hmm, yeahand I, but but on that time I
don't know what, what, what I am.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So wait.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I just know that I, like, I Want to be a ladies, so
I just hope you one second.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
In the new terms that's mean that you were a boy
that identified.
Yeah, let's say you are a malethat identified as a female,
identify himself themselves.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, you born can be , I brought like a boy, yeah,
but you, you are a lady foryourself you are a lady, but I
feel like I'm a lady so you showeveryone a new talk, also in
time.
I cannot show everyone likethat, but I know what myself.
I know what I am, yes, butbecause, as I told you, so again
(09:01):
, because of the family and alsobecause, like, and my grandma
have like seven kids.
My mom is the oldest one, butanother six people.
They don't want me to be likethis, but when my mom passed
away, so, but my grandma grow meup and she knows that who I am
but, she cannot tell everyonethat, oh, my baby is be like
this, my baby is a gay, my babyis a lady boy, my baby is she
(09:23):
not say anyone, but she know sheunderstand me well, but not
with another six people in myfamilies.
They don't want me to be likethat.
Even through they know that whoI am.
I'm just like a weak little boy.
So we cry all the time and whenI see a man I like to spend the
time with like a ladies, but Ilike a man but, I have a lot of
(09:46):
lady friends but you areinterested in a man?
yeah, but your friends areladies yeah, but I cannot show
that things to everyone.
You know, sometimes I need tohold my feelings.
Sometimes I need to be likeyou're, to act like a boy like a
normal one yeah there is a bigdifference in Thai language for
many other languages, westernlanguage.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
When you talk with someone you are, you are
identifying your sex.
For example, if I want to saythank you in Thai, if I'm man I
say Kho Pun Kap, but if I'm ladyI say Kho Pun Ka yeah.
I want to know with yourfriends you speak as a man or as
a lady how you show yourselfwhen you speak.
You say Kap or Ka, this veryinteresting.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
This one is another big topic.
Also say I see now a day formyself.
When I talk, you mean now, oryou mean like throwback time
when you was young when we wasyoung.
We are.
I'm still have a short hair andI still like wear a boy dress
so you say Kap, we say club.
(10:51):
Yeah, even to.
We want to say Kap mm-hmm andsome people can say, huh, can?
People can say, like just amiddle you know not.
Kap, not club, but huh, yeah,something like that.
But some, even through nowadays, some gay with like I can say,
like your LGBTQ maybe, becausesometimes like the LGBTQ plus,
(11:15):
it's kind of like a very, verybig words so we can cover every
not a 100% that we can coverwith how many sexuality is
because we have a lot, yeah, soI call this one to LGBTQ plus.
So some people can still likeyour like to wear a woman dress,
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mm-hmm, some people you can seelike a drag queen or drag you
mean close this.
Yeah, a man's like a all hisbody is a man, but when he have
a show like a drag queen show,okay, he make up amazing.
He make up incredible, he wearsa woman dread and he perform
like amazing, mm-hmm, like alady.
But when they go back to thenormal life, this is like a kind
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of like a man, but some somewhere a man clothes but some
where a woman clothes, puts awig on, but some still wear like
a me.
Those you know, it's like howthey say sometimes like, yeah,
some, how you feel today.
Today you can wear woman dress,you can wear it, you can put
the wigs on if you happy, andthe other days you can be like a
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man.
Okay, if you happy with that.
No, no, no, no.
It doesn't matter what you wantto wear and some people are
still, well, like a, look like aman, but very sexual.
See a knit shirt.
Yeah, very sensual yeah, veryessential to be like that.
It's depend on.
It's depend on where they are,it's depend on their family.
(12:44):
It's depend on what make thehappy okay yeah, so, and also
like go back to the point yeahyeah, let's go back to the
points, like when I was young.
I'm a little boys, but I knowmyself that I want to be a
little girls.
Yeah, I want to wear a womandress, but I cannot wear it
because on that time throwbackfor 10 years, 20 years, 30 years
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before not really open yeah notreally open like nowadays.
Yeah, sometimes like we need tocare about what people looking
at us as well, so I'm just likea little boy that want to be our
a little ladies or a littlegirls.
And then when I grow up alittle bit, yeah.
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When I'm in the high school,yeah, I become more movement
like a gay.
Okay like a ladies.
But, still have short hair, butsometimes I like to put the
powder on my face.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
I like a little bit makeup to look a little bit more
feminine.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, and sometimes I put like a gift or something
like a, put on my hair like akitty or something like that,
like something cute forsomething cute something make us
beautiful, or sometimes we canput like a eyelash or yeah,
something and the school allowthis.
Some school allow, some schoolnot allow.
This is what I want to talk alsoso I want all the school to
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allow About is like oh, if youare gay or if you are LGBT, oh,
you want to wear like a someLGBT Q, we have a tomboy also.
They don't want to wear a womandress, they don't want to wear
a woman costume.
Yeah, to go to the school.
Don't want to wear like a manand some gay or some lady boys
or something like yeah, we wantto wear a woman's, we don't want
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to wear like a man's.
So I want all this cool to openthis, because the uniform, it's
not that thing that can say likeif you wear a man, a man
uniform, or you wear a woman'suniform, you can learn in the
class very well, the customerdoesn't matter.
The big point is what you do inthe class, what we learn.
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Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Agree with that.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, I don't want.
I don't want the teacher or thepeople who like a top up from
the teachers.
You know in my country tocontrol, like everyone, like you
need to add it, you need to addit, you need to do.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
In my country, when I young, yeah, even when I young,
mm-hmm, there is a Gendergender neutral uniform.
That mean yeah the only thingthat you need to wear a shirt.
Everyone wear same shirt.
Everything else up to you, justshirt with school name you know
it's great everything else.
You want to wear Skirt, you canwear skirt.
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You want to wear whatever.
Of course, you have to wearshoes also.
Yeah, but just about shoes.
But you want to wear high heel.
Well, hi, no one care.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
just the shirt need to be a For everyone the same,
you know, yeah, and also it'snot today like, yeah, the same
point when I, when I'm in theschool, the school not really
open for the.
Yeah, I'm lucky that my, myhigh school it's like a Open up
more, so we can do like ours,can make some show, or they
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support us very well and I lovemy school but not.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You can make some show, they let you do like
performance.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, every time when we have like Festival or
something like to make like abig costume or something like in
Thailand, we have many festivalright in this festival or many
big days.
Yeah, we have some show.
Like a mother day, like afather day, we're gonna do some
show and we always the t-shirtis put us to be like the LGBTQ
(16:32):
or the lady voice or gay.
Yeah, yeah, to do like I show,to take care about the costumes,
because we do this very well,mm-hmm, and also the decoration
we do very well also.
Yeah, I think the good thingsabout our GBTQ or the lady boy
is like we have like a very goodimagination, very creative.
Yeah, we very creative.
(16:53):
Yeah, so we do these thingslike something that people don't
know.
It's like, oh, what the fuck itis, but we can make it happen
and it's made perfectly andbeautifully.
Yeah, we create a colorful forthe world.
Yeah, more fun, small,beautiful, more interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, more surprise, something like that.
And yeah, when, yeah, I want tocall out to like all the school
, to let like all the girls orall the little boy to To be
themselves, whatever the onegender gender neutral.
Yeah, about the gender they canshoot what they want to wear,
(17:33):
like a woman's or a man, theycan shoot.
You can open mine for them,okay, because like an, also
another thing is like a bigtopic also it's a hair.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
So, wait, wait wait, wait, wait before you continue.
Yeah, this is a good topic andI tell you why.
Yeah, two weeks ago we got acomment on three episodes ago
From someone that alreadycommented to us many times.
Yeah, you remember he have.
They live in California, he hasa gender wife, yeah he said If
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Lada can change like three orfour rules in Thailand, let's
say now she, she will be theprime minister.
Yeah, what five rules youchange for help the LGBTQ
community?
Not only that, he want to knowin general, what five rules you
change.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
So number one.
You say about uniform.
Right, yeah, I start from theschool.
Okay, about the education.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
So this number one.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I think number one is the family first.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
If you have like a, if you have a little boys or
little girls like your son oryour daughters that don't want
to be whatever that you'redreaming for, like when you get
a boy and you want a boy to be aman.
But if that little boy you wantto be a gay or you want to be a
trans woman in the future, Iwant them to open mine.
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Okay and also, if you have agirl and she don't want to be
like a girl, she want to be likea tomboy or whatever.
Whatever that you need to dofor all the parents, I need the
parent to support them.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Okay and don't force it to be like this.
You mean support them by law.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
No, by exception.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, but that the law will force the parents to
accept them.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I think Sometimes the law is good when you live in
the, in the normal life, right,I mean when you get out from the
house.
But the most important thing isyou start in the house.
Okay, yeah, if you get like aRespect or exception from the
family first, I think it's thebest thing to start everything.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
So what law you make about this?
Yeah, what, what, what you sayabout the law?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I want like a.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Like if someone not accept their children,
government take their childrenaway from them.
You won't take this.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, I think this is not good also this is not good
because, like we talked about,like the first thing, that maybe
not just um, not only said likeonly a law, but I mean whatever
I want to make to change.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Okay, I understand.
So you want like all of them isthe law is very trick, very
Fixed things.
Yeah, yeah, it's thick.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, very thick, but I want, I don't want you to
stick like that strict, strict,sorry.
Yeah, yeah, yeah it's okay,yeah, so start from the family
first.
Yeah, whatever you have withthe kid, whatever they want to
be, support them.
Okay, yeah, support them,accept them and give them a love
.
Same, same.
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The other boys Don't be like.
You know, it's like are all theLGBTQ, or Especially the lady
boy.
Most, many, many lady boy growup like a like a, like a gay,
like that, and maybe many timesthat daddy Hit on.
Okay, hurt with the feelings,yeah, yeah, with the violin in
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the family and it's a bigproblem.
You know it's a big scar in herheart when she grow up.
You know I think this one isnot good, but I can see nowadays
, I see it's on the social media, I see it's like on tiktok, on
whatever's like.
The family is more exception.
Okay, and they support yeah moreaccepting and they support this
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.
It's really good.
So the first thing, acceptingexception or respect in the
family first and support them,okay.
And the second thing, when theygo to the school, I want the
school to support also, not justonly the families, so can.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I ask you a question about this.
There is a big controversy,controversy controversy, Sorry
yeah that's right In americaright now about the.
They are giving a puberty,puberty blockers at a really,
really young age yeah, likeEight or seven, like if someone
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you heard about that.
So let's say now you go inamerica, yeah, right, and you
are seven years old, yeah, andyou feel today you want to be
like a lady.
If you go to the school and youspeak with someone, they not
have to tell your parents andthey can give you puberty
blockers, what you know?
(22:18):
What?
These are videos, the pills atage of seven.
This in America right now, andeveryone say this is a very bad
law, that fucking crazy, this isnot good.
Because why?
Everyone say it's not good.
They say, okay, let's set anage.
Let's say maybe 16 or 14, anage that someone can already
(22:42):
decide from themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I think for my opinion that seven year old, six
year old or eight year old it'stoo young to decide For my
opinion.
I want to know your opinionabout that.
You think that that's a goodlaw that the school can give
puberty pills, puberty blockers,for the Young children at that
young age, without telling theirparents?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's crazy.
I Think it doesn't matter, likemaybe it's like people like to
say, like when they are youngthey can control, they can do
everything's, but you are forthe exception from the parents,
but you don't ask for theexception For that girl or for
the boy, because sometimes theexception from the family it
(23:29):
doesn't means like the girls orthe little boy one.
You understand.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, this is the point also, even through, the
parents, allow the school tokeep this one.
No, no, the parents not allowed, the parents don't know.
I mean, even through, if theparent around allows the school
to keep this pu to your students, okay, but the children is
doesn't accept things.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
The children is no, they say no but you said no, you
don't understand what I mean.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I understand because, like are you things like at the
young generation or the, thelittle girls or the little boy
is very small and don't verylittle, and maybe they don't
know what they want to be, maybethey can't feel, but we are not
confused.
I know myself in a lot, veryyoung, but we are not the
fashions.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Okay, I accept that, but this is a very Subjective
point what I mean, that this isyour life.
Yeah, you are not like someoneelse.
Yeah, maybe someone else isFeeling different, maybe I'm not
sure.
Yeah, no, or maybe they get apeer pressure from their friends
Maybe they, the two bestfriends, do this, so they feel,
(24:42):
oh, maybe I need to do that aswell.
You know, I, for my opinion,there is need to be an age Gap
for that age limit, for that,let's say, I don't know which
age, maybe we can decidetogether but, I, think Eight is
very young age for decidesomething big like that in your
(25:02):
opinion.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
You think like the eight is matter.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
It's like when you grow up, I think the brain is
not developed enough To tounderstand to do that some no
discuss is perfect, I think.
Discuss is children.
Even the age of four canalready Explain their opinions
and stuff like that.
I don't mean this, but I thinkthe brain of a young Child is
(25:26):
not developed enough yet to knowwhat is long-term Decisions.
How can they affect their life?
For example okay if I'm veryyoung and I, I think I don't
want to have my arm, I cut myarm Okay, but maybe later.
And they said, oh, but now Idon't have arm, I cannot walk,
you know, and these pubertyblockers, you cannot go back
(25:50):
after you take them.
That fuck you know, you changeall your body?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, because our, in my opinion, the eight, it
doesn't matter, even through M25years old or M30 years old.
I don't want to take any pills.
I want to find myself by myself.
Sometimes I can be ladysometimes.
If I, for example, right nowI'm a lady, boys right, I want
to have boobs.
I want to like a, do a surgery,maybe the book first, but when
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it grow up, maybe I'm 40, now 35.
When I'm 40, if I want to be aman, I can take the move off,
okay, and be back to the man.
I think Everyone have therights on them.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Body, yeah but if my right on my body say I want to
take this pill.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
But if you really want to take those things is
your choice.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, at what age?
Yeah, at what age I can decide.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What age you can decide.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Any five.
So you think like age five isgood age to start to take in
this are.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Maybe it's too young.
Okay, yeah, I just want toyoung to be thinking.
Say what we really are.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Maybe we still confuse so what they want to be
appropriate.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I Think it's maybe 18 .
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I think 18 is too late, for example, I know, for
me if you have me In my country.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know in other countries, I just talk about my
experience at age of 16, youcan already have a driving
license.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Hmm, okay.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I think age 16 is good age for decide for yourself
if you want to take those pillsor not.
16 I think your brain isalready developed enough.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
In my opinion, 16, we are still young.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Okay, so we are not agreeing on any subject.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Because, for example, 16, we still be like in the
school before high school,before high school, but things
like, people learn more thingswhen we go to high school.
So, I think STN is good.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So you think that the law in America?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But the things that I know is like support this puke
because if you take it, if youtake it so you cannot go back to
whatever you want before youcan't fuck up your system.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's hormones.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
So I know for me, I don't support, I don't want to
stand with this puke.
I don't want to stand with thepeople who want to give this
puke to the people.
There are so many things thatwe can discard for the life, not
just only for this.
But I think people have theright to shoot whatever they
want to be.
(28:44):
So I don't support with thispuke.
Maybe the time that some peoplewant to take that puke, maybe
they can't feel it, maybe allthe environments, like families
or the friends or the peoplearound them, tell them oh, you
need to take it.
You need to take it becauseit's good, because maybe you
confuse, but sometimes they'renot like.
(29:06):
Some people can decideeverything by themselves.
But, some people.
They listen to a lot of peopletoo much.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
As I said before, peer pressure.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So I think I don't support this puke, no matter any
age.
I don't support this.
This is crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So you never heard about this?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, I never heard about this.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's fucking big.
In America right now there is avery big problem because half
of the country say we supportthat.
We think if someone wants tochange their sex at whatever age
, they can do.
But the other country said thatno, this is not appropriate age
.
If you want to do that, youhave to do that later.
By the way, they say like 14,if I'm not mistaken this.
(29:58):
I don't remember 14 or 15.
But they say around this agethey want to start to give If
someone wants.
So it's very crazy that in acountry like Thailand and now
I'm talking to a Thai person,that is, a lady boy.
And she thinks that it's toomuch at too young age.
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So I think that the generalidea of this topic is still very
controversial.
I think no one still know whatwe really need to do in order to
be helpful.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
In my opinion that's, as I said, maybe like 6, 7
years old.
She's too young, but for me ageit's like we can decide
whatever we want to be.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah but they automatically give.
Let's say you go to yourteacher when you're 8.
Let's say 12.
You go to your teacher.
Your teacher come to you, saywait, you're a man or lady.
I'm a lady, okay, you can takethese pills.
The teacher have the pills togive to the children.
That's bad.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
So because I sometimes the teacher give for
them and then the kids justcan't feel what they want to be
and then most of the kids theylisten to the teacher.
So when the teacher said, thisis bad, this is not you, you're
not an LGBTQ, you should be aman.
And then the teacher give forthem and some family they
support their baby to be likethat, you understand, and the
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teacher give for the kid withoutany exception from the families
.
That's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
The teacher is not allowed to tell the parents.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's crazy, yeah, so you see.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
First we talk about the law you want to change in
Thailand but, you want to change, but not as much.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
You think have to find some middle ground, yeah,
middle, maybe it's like we cando more after 10 years.
Now we want to start in themiddle, go back, go back to the
first point.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I'm so sorry but I think this is very good,
yeah, very good, very good.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, I like to talk with this one also.
So the first of all, like Italk about myself.
Yeah, first I'm a little boythat I want to be a lady boys,
but not finish with the ladyboys, I want to be a trans woman
.
Okay, you see what the step?
A boy want to be a girlsbecause they like a girl stuff
(32:38):
and they want to.
They like a man also, they likea boy friend yeah.
And for myself when I was young,I'm a little boys.
And then the next step, whenthey grow up a little bit, I
shan't be a gay.
Okay, yeah, people call me as agay or in Thailand we call
(32:59):
katoi katoi katoi.
It's like a boy that want to belike a girl, Okay yeah katoi,
katoi, something like that.
I hate these words.
Yeah, this not good word, notgood word.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
This is decorative.
This means something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
This is the words that I heard in the West Young's
like, when a man is bullied tome oh, you're katoi, you're
katoi, you're katoi.
You do see, you're katoi.
It's like a very negative word.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah, decorative Okay .
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, so it's like and then it's not to be a gay
Like, I still wear a man costumea man clothes.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, but my heart, but my heart I want to be a
ladies but because of like theenvironment, this, maybe the
school or whatever that I cause,like all at work, I cannot wear
a woman dress.
Yeah, I still be a gay.
I like a man.
And after that, when I grow up,when I'm 24, I think 24, after
(34:00):
I finish the fucking army, yeah,the army is not really.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I told you about this stuff before.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, if you listen about our podcast, yeah, it
means that you need to.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
She was the army Interesting about this thing.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You need to go back to our podcast and then listen
about this stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, it's in the second episode that I did with
Lada.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, After 23 years old, after I finish the fucking
army.
Yeah, I don't tell you how manymen I have in there.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You told you forget, but you told in the podcast how
many.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
And then and then, after I finish, I put my lips on
, I put the red lipstick on,yeah, a lipstick on a red
lipstick on, I wear a pink wigsand I wear a woman dress.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
You see, how shams.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Step by step, yeah, so, and after that, I become
Lady Boy.
Okay, maybe not a 100% of LadyBoy, because Lady Boy sometimes
they do things like the wordsthat Lady Boy it's like I should
have a book first.
Like I have a book but I stillhave a cock.
(35:09):
For have a breast but stillhave a cock, yeah, okay, yeah,
that's what we call Lady Boy,right, but if I still have, I
still have no book, right, but Istill be Lady Boy.
Some people can call me gay,but I don't like the people to
call me gay because I am notlike I wear a woman dress, I do
(35:29):
make up one hour, two hours, butthen you call me a gay.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
No, by the way, guys, if you send money, this go to
her boobs, don't forget.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
So I will become 100% of Lady Boy.
Yeah, yeah, and then the LadyBoy is kind of like a lady's gay
with the boobs.
Like we become kind of like aLady Boy.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Something in the middle, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Something in the middle.
So you see the first step.
And then, if I'm the Lady Boy,I still I have boobs, but I
still have cock, but I want tocut my cock off.
Okay, so when I have pussy Ibecome trans woman, I become
transgender.
So you see how many steps I'vehad.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
A boy, a gay, a lady boy, send in trans woman.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
This is your transition.
Yes, this is most of Lady, thisis most of trans woman In
Thailand.
In Thailand, yeah, become, yeah, yeah, maybe not just only in
Thailand and not the country aswell If I will continue to tell
you someday.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I don't want to talk about this, but what is going on
in America right now?
You will be shocked.
They do the chop chop Americanare way fucking crazy.
14 years old, you can cut.
I think it's good, 14 years old.
Yes, Cut cock.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, if you want to be 14.
That's better.
You know, I want to cut thisthing, since I was like 10 or 9
or maybe 11.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
But this is your moneymaker.
You make money out of this.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You know, like when most of the gay or most of the
Lady boys are gay.
I mean, it's like a gay whowant to be a lady boy, yeah, and
who want to be a trans woman.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
They want to cut In the last step.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, we take the pills, we take the Lady hormone
pills when we are in the highschool or maybe younger.
We take this pill step by step,step by step, step by step, and
when you finish high school,you become more feminine, you
have very good skin, you don'thave too much hair like a boy
(37:39):
and you have like a small penisand you have like a beautiful
long hair.
Okay, yeah, because we take, wejust preparing, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
But you said, but five minutes ago you said high
school is too young age for that.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Young age for that pill, but this is the pill they
give, the hormones.
I mean, like, how should I sayI don't?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
want to put you on the spot.
Don't understand me.
I don't want to say, haha, yousaid before different.
I just want to understand.
I want to understand what weare thinking about that, because
as a straight man I cannot tellmy opinion because I'm not part
of this community.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
But difference also, because like that pill is crazy
and not what we shoot, but thisthing we shoot, it's the same
pill the puberty blockers is thesame pill that the Lady
hormones but you said, if wetake this one, we cannot be a
(38:45):
man, we cannot be like.
No, you cannot be.
Small boobs, little bit you.
And after you take this pillyou cannot back to be like.
You cannot.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It's no, you can, but it's hurt everything down there
, so maybe you cannot havechildren, you cannot have sperm.
You know what I mean and it'sso different pill this is so
strong stronger.
It's stronger than what, yeahstronger and what we take.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
This one, I told you.
So we take a lady home on, stepby step we have one pill that
we call androquo okay, androquois very strong pill, so when you
take it you need to take like afour pieces from one.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I would like to.
You can talk.
I checking yeah and rockandroquo wait one second yeah,
it is a puberty blockers whichkind they give.
(39:51):
Let's say no okay androquo.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So I continues my things.
Yeah, so we take androquo justa little bit pieces so it's
Leopold and hysterical.
This is what they give yeahit's one, it's one shot, and
pill also, yeah, but we not takemuch so here they give 22
(40:20):
milligrams.
Yeah, so we take a little bitof androquo.
We take like in Thailand, wecall ya come is our is a is a
drows.
That's like a when lady want,don't want to have a baby,
mm-hmm yeah yeah.
I don't know what English call.
So we take this thing togetherwith this and some white to mean
(40:41):
and some lady home on size,estrogen or something like that
together, but step by step okaybut some lady, some lady boy,
they take too much also, so itcan be like your blur or
something, like something thattoo much is not good, okay, yeah
, but but some people mostly wetake step by step yeah so we
(41:02):
take these things and also, likeour, go back to the point that
about the pill that you says inAmerica I think it's wrong.
Good than what we take.
Yeah, because this pill we stillgo back to a man anytime we
want, but maybe your cock is notreally hard, is take time to be
grow up or maybe you need totake a man home on again okay if
you want to go back, yeah, butthis pill most of all about
(41:25):
androquo and all the things thatI I said, like the lady boy
take to be preparing to be atrans woman mm-hmm yeah, it's
make your cock smaller okaysmaller and not getting hard.
Some can get hard, but mostlynot get hard and also like are
you will be more feminine aboutthe skin, about the hair, about
(41:45):
the body.
It's you can have likesometimes you can get a little
bit boobs also okay, but notmuch, yeah, yeah.
So what what I says?
It's like to become a transwoman.
We come from a little boy, gay,lady boys and then trans woman.
Right, but some people want tostop at a gay, some people want
(42:07):
to stop at a lady boys and somepeople want to go on the way,
want to be like her.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, all the way, yeah so it's very big community
so I have to stop you right nowwe can.
We came to the end of the timewe have right now for this
episode and we will continuethis conversation yeah, yeah in
the next episode okay, okay sothank you everyone for listening
.
I hope you enjoy.
Please don't angry me andladder for our opinions.
(42:34):
We just people like you.
We everyone have differentopinions.
Yeah, yeah, I hope we enrichyour, your knowledge and not
hurting it, and if someone isoffended, we are not mean to be,
yeah, to hurt anyone.
Everyone is entitled for theirown opinion and we would like to
(42:54):
hear what's your opinion eventrue in Thailand.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
We cannot say it's like we are the same story,
because I depend on the familyas well, yeah, depend on the
person as well.
So we have like a lot of sorryabout this you want to say
something to?
Our listeners.
What should I say?
Speaker 2 (43:13):
maybe you can keep saying okay, she want to say
that.
Thank you for listening, yeahyeah and we will hear you in the
net.
We will.
You will hear us on our nextepisode.
Thank you everyone, bye, byebye, bye.
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