Who's Who in Pattaya - Spotting Ladyboys and Bar Scams w\ Scott

Send us a text

Step into the neon-lit world of Pattaya with our guest Scott, a seasoned visitor who's developed what locals call "the Pattaya addiction." From his first visit in 2019 to his current seven-week stay, Scott pulls back the curtain on Thailand's most notorious playground with refreshing candor and surprising insights.

Scott shares a harrowing tale from Phuket's Patong Beach where a simple night out spiraled into bill padding, physical confrontation, and police intervention – contrasting sharply with Pattaya's surprisingly peaceful reputation despite its rowdier image. We explore the social stigma of visiting Pattaya and the linguistic gymnastics travelers perform when telling friends back home about their Thai adventures, often substituting "Banglamung" for the more recognizable destination.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Scott discusses his preference for ladyboys, estimating they comprise about 80% of his romantic encounters in Thailand. Our trio dives into the telltale signs for identifying ladyboys – from shoulder width to head size – offering practical advice for curious travelers while maintaining respect for the community. We also touch on the darker aspects of Pattaya's nightlife, including drug use among bar workers and the economic pressures that drive these behaviors.

For those considering an extended stay, Scott compares the economics of hotel living (around 3,000-1500 baht nightly) versus monthly condominium rentals (approximately 7,000 baht monthly), providing valuable insights for budget-conscious travelers. As Scott contemplates a potential move to Bangkok – a city he's only experienced through its airport – we witness the evolution of a traveler whose relationship with Thailand continues to deepen beyond tourist clichés.

Whether you're planning your first Pattaya adventure or you're a returning visitor, this raw, unfiltered conversation offers both practical advice and thoughtful reflection on one of Thailand's most misunderstood destinations. Subscribe to catch more authentic Thai experiences and support our new Patreon to help improve the show!

Support the show

If you want to support us -

Patreon - https://patreon.com/MyThaiWifePodcast

My Thai Wife Podcast contact informaition

email for any questions and suggestions - [e-mail]

or reach out via social media

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61553189493813

Twitter - https://twitter.com/mythaiwifepod


Thank you for listening and enjoying with us!!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone and welcome back to my Thai Wife
Podcast.
I'm Mike and sadly I'm stilldoing this without my lovely,
lovely wife Sunari.
But as usual, you know who'shere.
Hello, pim.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi everyone.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Doing good.
How about you?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I'm okay, so you're practicing very hard now.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Very hard practicing dance today.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, she, soon she have a dance competition.
Yeah, so she's working reallyhard like she's dancing in the
groups, you know, so it's agroup competition yeah and we
have another guest here.
His name is scott he's.
We became really good friendslately, I think, because we had
some crazy nights together morethan once, yes, so we'll just

(00:46):
start the introduction, thebasic one.
So how long have you been hereand is that your first time in
Pataya?

Speaker 4 (00:52):
So I've been here now about seven and a half weeks.
This is the fourth time I'vebeen to Pataya okay, so the
first time was six years ago,start of 2019.
Okay, the second time wasJanuary 2020.
And then COVID happened.

(01:13):
And then I haven't been backsince COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Since COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Until I came back February this year, okay, and
then I went home for two monthsand then I came back.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
So you came February.
Yeah, you went home for acouple of months and then I came
back.
So you came February.
Yeah, you went home for acouple of months and then you
came back, yeah, okay, so Ithink you got the addiction.
You know what I mean.
Many people get addicted toPattaya.
Yeah, but you only travel toPattaya normally or you go other
places, because I know for sureyou've been to Phuket two weeks

(01:45):
ago, or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
So before in Thailand , I've only ever been to Pattaya
.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
The first time you come to Thailand immediately.
Pattaya, you're a smart guy.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
I have smart friends.
Yeah, I have friends that havecome here for about 20 years, so
I always just come here withthem.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Oh, so normally you come here with your friends
before.
Yeah.
Okay, you find it like bettercoming here with friends or
better coming here alone?
Because when I used to comehere with friends at the
beginning it was fun, but Ithink I missed a lot of things,
because when you're traveling inthe group, everyone is like, oh

(02:37):
, let's go, let's go, and younever actually get to do what
you actually want.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I mean it's always been likea small group really, so four
or five.
So it's never a small groupreally, so four or five, so it's
never, it's not too bad, but Iknow what you mean.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
It's even with one friend sometimes you are always
like he wants to go that areaand I want to go a different
area and you know you feel badto leave him alone.
Or he felt to leave you alone.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
So, yeah, I think I don't think there's a better one
.
I I don't think there's abetter one.
I think they're both good, butI think that they're just
different.
I think when you're on your own, you have the freedom to do
what you want, go where you want, but you're on your own.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
But in Patea you're never really on your own you
meet here a lot of guys andgirls and everything in between.
So, as you said, you came heremany times and I know for a fact

(03:38):
now you're trying to find a wayto stay here, right.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
And we spoke before, you might have to move to
bangkok for that.
Have you been to bangkok before?
Have?
You traveled there.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know anything so I've only been to bangkok
airport yeah, okay, really inand out of bangkok airport so
you doesn't throw your other sountil just for like a arrive in
Thailand.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And then you moved from there.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, immediately came to Pattaya Bangkok airport
taxi Pattaya.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Ah, it's like the point.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah to get to the point exactly.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah.
So the problem is my friendsthat I've come here before with,
because they've been cominghere for like 20 years.
They've done Bangkok, they'vedone Phuket, they've done some
traveling around Thailand, sofor them they just want to get
to Pattaya, Okay.
So that's why I've not donethat, but this time I've been to

(04:38):
Koh Samui and I've been toPhuket, so I've tried to do a
bit of traveling and you find itmore enjoyable than you thought
it would be, or it was kind ofno, it's good, because back home
people you say you're going toThailand and they say, oh, have
you been to this place and thisplace?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
and this place and it's like, no, I just go to
Pattaya oh you fucking sex path.
You know, sometimes I said I'vegone to Pattaya.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Oh, you fucking sex path, you know.
Yeah, sometimes I say I've cometo a place called Jomtien,
which is, it's just that I'venever heard of it.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Just say Banglamung Chonburi.
No one needs to know the wordPattaya.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
When me and my wife were speaking about Pattaya and
places like that with peoplethat are not from Thailand, but
they know Thailand we never usethe word Pattaya, we always say
Banglamung.
So no one oh, where do you sayBanglamung?
Oh, ok, no one knows where isthat, but Banglamung is
basically the Pattaya area.
So there are tricks to talkingabout Pattaya without talking

(05:40):
about Pattaya.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah, that's the thing, because I'd answer every
question with no, I've not beenthere.
I've not been there.
I've not been there, I've justbeen to this one place.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
You know, when I traveled to Phuket last time I
was here, I found it actuallyquite boring.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Like there is one street that is okay and that's
it, and that street is extremelyexpensive.
It's not as fun as any randomstreet here in Pattaya.
Yeah, and well, some people are, you know they like sightseeing
and stuff like that.
I'm not that kind of guy, youknow it's.

(06:17):
I'm not impressed by beautifulbeaches and mountains and
elephants or whatever, yeah, soI found it very boring.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah, I mean.
So I did a sailing course inPhuket.
Yeah.
So that was really good becauseyou had something to do and we
went around a lot of the islandsjust off Phuket, so that was
beautiful, it was really good.
So that was good to do a bit oftraveling.

(06:46):
But I went to Patong for onenight, that's it.
I'll never go back there again.
Did I tell you about that night?
I think I'm not sure.
I think I told somebody else.
Okay, so they it's veryexpensive, expensive.
All the drinks are veryexpensive.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I went to one bar and then, uh, oh, you told me, but
go on, that's a great story.
I know, I know, I know the billgot bigger and bigger.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I paid one bill and then started another one and
even when I'm drunk I alwayskeep an eye on my bill and and
then I get to pay the secondbill and it's way higher than
what I was expecting it to belike how high are?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
we talking well like double double than what you
thought.
So let's say few thousandsalready.
Yeah, okay, so I thought it was1500.
I say a few thousand already.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
So I thought it was 1,500.
I bought a couple of drinks, soI was thinking about 2,000, and
then it was about 4,500.
Fuck, so I'm like, hold on.
So I start looking through thebill and I'm reading the names
out and I'm saying, well, who'sthis?
And I say, oh, that's thatperson over there.
And I'm reading the names outand I'm saying, well, who's this

(08:04):
?
And they say, oh, that's thatperson over there.
And I'm like, well, I've noteven spoke to that person all
night, so I've definitely notbought them a drink.
And who's this?
Oh, that's this person, andthis person and this person.
So I then said, well, I'm notpaying for them.
So then they reduced it down,and then I still said, but how
can I trust them?
So they fucked my first bill upAnyway, and I apologized, took

(08:29):
the drinks off, but it alreadyhappened once, and then they did
it again on the second time whyyou stayed there.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Huh, why you stayed there after they fucked up for
the first time.
That's a good question.
You have to.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, it is.
I mean to be fair, fair likethey.
They said sorry and they tookthe drinks off and were very
apologetic.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So okay, was that a club, a bar?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
just a bar bar okay.
And so then they so I'mquestioning, saying, well, how
do I trust any of this bill now,because you've fucked it up so
much already?
So I said, look, I'll pay youthis much.
And then they say, no, okay, wecall the police.

(09:15):
Then so I go, okay, I'll payyou nothing.
Then.
So I try to walk out.
Someone tries to stop me.
I say don't touch me, like thesecurity.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
No, just the staff.
Okay, out, someone trust up me,like the security.
Are we talking about ladies orlady boys?

Speaker 4 (09:32):
lady, not lady, lady staff, and then I go to leave,
then I try to walk out anotherway and then she dragged in me
and then someone else run at me,so I have to get rid of any
other big guy.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
You're a strong guy.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, so I have to get rid of them.
But some man run at me I'm notgoing to fucking stand there, so
I have to get rid of them.
And then everyone jump in.
And then I'm on the floor andthere's about five people
punching and kicking me in thehead.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh, that sounds like fun.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, so I've never had anything like that before In
Thailand.
I've never had any trouble.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
The first time I came to.
Thailand I said this to myfriends Wait, wait, how was it
resolved?
How?

Speaker 4 (10:16):
was it resolved?
Oh, so then the police come andsay I have to pay the bill.
And I said what about all ofthis?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
They've just been fucking kicking me in the head.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
And then one of them complained that I hit them.
I'm like, oh, people hitting me.
So then I have to go to thepolice station.
So then I'm in the policestation for about two hours and
then they basically just say,look, you have to pay the bill
and pay the compensation.
If you don't pay this, then yougo to jail.
You have to pay the bill andpay the compensation.
If you don't pay this, then yougo to jail for the night.

(10:48):
So it's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Normally, the police will side with the Thais.
This is how they walk the thing.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
That sort of saved it a bit.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
The one police one was actually very good, to be
fair, but I'd I'd been dancingon the pole, yeah yeah, as I as
I usually do normally his moveis to take high heels from some
random lady or lady boy yeah,wear the high heels and start
dancing.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
The poles you know so yeah, so I've been doing that I
had a video of it on my phonethat one of the girls had then
sent to me, the.
The girl that was then arguingwith me the staff member that
she'd come to the police stationwas here all up at all the cctv

(11:41):
, and, um, I said, where's theCCTV of everyone kicking me in
the head?
Oh, we don't have that.
I thought, well, that's veryconvenient, of course.
So yeah, so I had this videoand and the girl that was then
shouting at me in the policestation had given me her phone

(12:01):
number about an hour before thishad happened, because she
wanted to meet up with me.
Yeah.
So I start telling the policeon all of this.
I said, look, I've not comehere for trouble, I've come here
for one night.
I've never had trouble inThailand before.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Look, here's a video of me dancing on a fucking pole,
doing stupid shit, dancing on afucking pole with all of the
girls around fucking, screamingand laughing and everything.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
So he wants to see this.
So I show him and he startslaughing.
And then I show him look, thisgirl.
She gave me her number about anhour ago and he checked and he
sees the time.
And then he starts thinkingokay, look, I don't think he's
come down here to cause trouble.
He's just been caught up in it,Because before they were very

(12:50):
sort of.
I was in the shit and I startedshowing him all this stuff and
I was like, look, I've come herefor a good time.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
I've got on with everybody.
I enjoy myself.
I enjoy with those ladies.
She even gave me the number.
Yeah, that's reasonable.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
So I've spent a lot of money in here and then, yeah,
that was it.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Okay, have you ever experienced bill padding
anywhere in Pattaya before?

Speaker 4 (13:18):
What adding to the bill?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, I'm not talking by a mistake.
I mean like a systematic way inorder to Like they probably
want to do that yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
I don't think so for me also.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
It's never happened to me like bill padding is so
rare in here yeah because thereare so many bars.
They just really need thecustomers, right.
They really appreciate everycustomer that comes in.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, so they will not do that what I found in
Batang is a tourist attraction.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
That street is a tourist attraction there's very
few customers in the bars.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
It's a tourist trap, even I would say there's very
few customers from what I couldsee.
I know it's closed season butthere's very few customers
sitting in the bars talking tothe girls.
There's loads of westernerswalking up and down with their
phones out videoing it.
Yeah like the bloggers, look,look look there's girls
everywhere and look at thesedirty bastards talking to them.

(14:17):
So it's just a touristattraction.
And I've seen the same inAmsterdam, the red light
district.
There is exactly the same and Ithink because of that, when
they do get a customer come in,they just try scamming us To
drag him.
Yeah, yeah, as much as they can, Because yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, but I think that's not a fair reason,
because, well, none of it isfair.
But, for example, it's lowseason here in Pattaya right now
.
Also why?

Speaker 4 (14:48):
would you be trying?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
to look after customers?
Yeah, no, but when you go toany bar now they really they are
so appreciative of havingcustomers they will give you
sometimes free drinks.
Not much, but like every fewdrinks you order, you will get a
free drink.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah for like, thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Thank you for coming like feeling welcome, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Like a feeling.
Is it like the way it is here,as I have like experience the
way it is?
You come to the bar and thenyour customer in the bar.
They spend for them a lot, sothey would like to give you back
what they can do.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yeah, the ways I have yeah, yeah, that's why I think,
listen, all pattaya is also atourist attraction, right, but
it's not a tourist trap like.
I'm sure there are some shadybars over here and shady clubs,
but I think most of the peopleknow which clubs and bars they
are and just try to stay awayand if you go to any, as I said,

(15:48):
any other random bar, you justfeel so welcome there and it
doesn't matter where yeah, yeah,so that's so.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
I was saying earlier the.
So I said to my friend thefirst time that I came here was
I've not seen any police.
I've not seen any police.
I've not seen any fighting orany kind of trouble, whereas
back home, if you go on a nightout, you're definitely going to
see a fight at some point.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, but I get your point.
But if you scroll throughsocial media, you will always
like if your, how would I saythat?
If your algorithm knows thatyou like Thailand and Pattaya,
you will always see the fights,the fights, the fights.
Yeah, but it's so rare in here.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
So when I was here the firsttime, I said to him I'm not
seeing any fighting or anything,and he was like there's nothing
to fight about, everyone'shaving a good time.
You know, the biggest cause offights back home is women.
It's people, women in ego.

(16:56):
Yeah, you chat to my girl,you're trying to chat with the
same girl, something like that.
It's always over a woman andhere you don't need to, it's
always over a woman, and hereyou don't need to.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, so many of them .

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Everyone's getting what they want.
Everyone's happy.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I think most of the time that there are fights here
in Pattaya I'm talking aboutfights that involve foreigners
right, I think most of the timeit's because the foreigners get
really drunk and reallyaggressive and they think
someone tried to scam them orthey think like someone even

(17:35):
bumped into them and now, oh, Ihave to show that I'm.
You know, it's always a badidea to start a fight here,
especially with ties, becauseyou will get jumped on in a
matter of seconds.
yeah, yeah you see those videoscoming like yeah every week you
see two or three videos, butit's such a rare thing to happen

(17:57):
here.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, like I said, I've never.
I've never seen it here.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I can see from my eyes you saw before it's just,
it's just the.
I've never seen it here.
I can see from my eyes.
You saw before.
It's just the way it is what isgoing on.
It's just doesn't from Thai.
People start to make it youprobably.
On the video it's like yeah,thai, like you know fighting

(18:22):
with yeah tourists and they, butthat it's just what they have
that time but doesn't know likewhat is going on from.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
You think normally the ones to blame are the
foreigners.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
No, not really, but most like most of the cases,
yeah most of it.
It's like I have okay, I'mworking by before and but that's
how I'm not working at bar.
But I saw like then had a fightwith a guy, a customer.
Is this what's the escalatingpoint of this trouble?

(18:59):
Like the customer pay money forthe bill but it doesn't enough
for the bill so let's say thebill is 10,000 and he only paid
8,000 it probably would be likethe bill is his like 500 baht,

(19:21):
so he keep about like 500 bahtto to pay like for finish the
bill.
Yeah, and then he asked like Igive you 1 000?
But he did not oh yeah, andthen like they make the trouble
to get money okay so he thoughthe gave 1 000, but he actually
gave 500 yeah, but that is notabout he thought that he he

(19:47):
planned about to do this.
You know he wants to do thislike, okay, give them 500 and
then, but make a story to.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
To ask oh, you think it was on purpose yeah, it's
like he tried to scam the bar.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, he tried to to get money.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
And then I have to say.
I have to say that, even afterI've been to thailand many times
and I you might agree with methe coloring of the bills are
shit.
It's very easy to get confused.
Yeah, between the bills, like,the only bills that you can
recognize are the 21, becausethey are green, and all the

(20:24):
other bills, like the 100, 500and 1000, they are all almost
the same color.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Yeah yeah, I do the same all the time.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I think I put a thousand and I put a hundred
yeah, yeah, oh no wrong one so Ithink, yeah, you're right, it
might be on purpose, but it'svery easy to get confused with
the bills.
This is why, whenever I pay Iwhenever, but it's very easy to
get confused here with the bills.
This is why, whenever I pay,whenever I pay, normally, I
leave the bar at late hours,right, so it's dark and normally
the bars already start to closethe lighting.

(20:52):
I turn on the torch of my phoneand actually look really,
really good what I'm giving,because it's very easy to get
confused with the bills here.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
I understand.
That's how I can say it Is withthe bills here.
Yeah, yeah, I understand,that's how I can say is it like
he's trying, like you know, likescared and, I think, like a
start to, you know, like um?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
maybe like a hit stop in that?
What do you mean I?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
mean like I doesn't know what is going on, but but
it's like a guy you know hit thelady in the bar.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
He hit her.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Maybe it's not like hit like that, but it's like
making her slap or somethinglike that.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It's still not good.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
So you know the way it happened.
When he walked out of the bar,the boss and all the ladies of
them, you know like pull, yeah,and you know like.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Hit him with the punky.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah and high heel.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, the high heel is very dangerous from the
ladyboys.
It's one of the most dangerousweapons ladyboys carry here, I
have a story.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Okay, I don't know who it is, I won't mention names
but I had a friend that was outhere years ago and I'm not sure
what happened, but there was analtercation he had with an 80
boy and he said I'm off.
He said he looked down at hershoes and went she's not

(22:23):
catching me in those, so he'slike I'm going to run.
So he started running.
So the other mates that werewatching Ben said she'd take off
her high heel and throw it Likea ninja style.
Like in slow motion, like hithim straight in the head.
I think he fell over.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
But yeah, the high hills yeah, it's a very
dangerous weapon.
It can be thrown, but it's mostdangerous when they hold them
and actually hit the guys withthe tip of the heel.
That can be very, very yeahdon't aim for the head, but
still it can be very dangerous.

(23:07):
I've seen videos of that beforeand they are quite good with
those yeah with those weapons.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I was trying to say the only time that was recent
actually that I almost got introuble.
Here was with another anothertourist, and I almost got in
trouble.
Here was with another anothertourist and I almost got into a
fight with him.
Okay, that was because he wasbeing really disrespectful to
all the girls in the bar.
So it was late at night.

(23:37):
I can't, I can't remember whathe was saying, but I just
fucking hate that.
I don't remember what he wassaying, but I just fucking hate
that.
Like I don't care what thegirls do, what the job is or
whatever.
Yeah, it's a person, you cannotbe mean to him.
Exactly and that's what I saidto him.
I was like there's stillfucking people Like you know,

(23:59):
and he left in the end.
But it was quite funny becausethen all the I mean the cashier
she was behind the bar wettingherself with laughter, um, and
then he left the bar and thenall the bills were like thank
you so much.
Like this really kind of you,because I just I just hate that
most, most people have a lot ofrespect here, but I think some

(24:22):
people think that yeah, most,most people understand
especially the guys that camehere many times.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
They already know that, yeah, the girls that walk
in the bar will go with you formoney, right, so you can call
them prostitutes or whores orwhatever, but it's not like
First of all, it doesn't meanyou can treat them like whores,
right, there are people thatwork in the bar and most of them

(24:49):
are really good people and youcan find really good connection
with some of them and just beingfriendly and you cannot treat
them like a piece of meat Notmany, but some people do treat
them like a piece of meat, ortalking very badly to them or
looking down on them, which isthe thing that I hate the most.

(25:10):
Most of those girls areextremely smart yeah, yeah right
.
But they think, oh, she's awhore, she's walking in a bar,
she's probably stupid.
I can tell her whatever I wantand she will not even understand
yeah, that's why I'm alwaysquiet when people talking in the
bar.
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
That's time sometime.
I'm like to like be quiet whenpeople Speak and then I customer
speak.
Is each other in a bar?

Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
It's like I'm time you pretend like you're not here
.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Yeah, because I am probably.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
You won't try to listen to what they say.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Try to listen to what they say and know what they
already like, who they are okay,so you learn them by listening
to them.
Yeah, okay and then like really,I, that's how I have one time
it's like it's talking about mebut I'm just quiet in the table,
yeah.
And then I hear it talkingabout me, but I'm just quiet on

(26:07):
the table, yeah.
And then I hear they're talkingabout me like I'm not finished
and gonna say my name, like who,who they're talking about, and
I and they just come up like areyou talking about me?
Yeah, that's it, and they'relike quiet after that.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Of course it was chalk, but we have the same
Because I have so many girlsthat.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Talking.
Speaking about us In time.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And then I can't understand at all.
I'm like I know you're talkingabout me, I don't know what on
earth you're saying Listen, Ithink it's.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
How would I say that?
I think it's a mutual thing.
So we talk about the ladies,right?
Us guys sometimes we not gossipa lot, but we give our review
or whatever, and the ladies theydo the same.
When you go to a bar and you'vebeen with a lady, everyone in
the bar will know everythingabout you already.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And they're going to talk to each other about you.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, he's a nice man , he's good, he's bad small big
anything you know.
Yeah, yeah, big anything youknow.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
It depends on, like, do you have about talent to?
I mean like, do you have, liketalent about understanding Thai
language, or you know themlanguage?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
But he can learn.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, if you can learn, and then whatever.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
I wish I could learn so when they are talking about
me.
Yeah I can just say, I knowwhat you just said.
Yeah, like you know everythingwhat is it?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I have this with russians, so I can speak russian
and I can understand russian.
Let's say 80, okay, yeah so ifrussian people sitting next to
me and can understand most ofthe conversation and it happened
to me several times that I wassitting next to russian guys or
even have altercation withsomeone and there were russians
involved and they start speakingabout me and I just look at

(27:55):
them and I answer them inrussian and they are shocked
yeah, like you just told me, youwant the the thing to come down
and you just call me scatina,which mean beast.
You you know you're talking badto me and they're like oh, no,
no, no, no, no, I'm so sorry.
So it's very funny when youknow the language that people
don't know, that you know.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So it's good to learn more than just one language you
have.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Of course.
How many languages do you know?
Two.
You need more.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
You need one more you learn Chinese you know Two, you
need more, you need one more.
You learn Chinese.
Yeah, there are many, butprobably understand something,
but not at all Okay, at allconversation.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
And you can speak how many languages?
One, just one, just English.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
I know three or four words in Thai, which is really
bad.
Okay, I know a bit more thanCambodian, okay but still the
bad words.
Yeah, I know them, it's not badwords, just the things I need
to say.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's this good way to learn language.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
That is what you're interested yeah, but I think
most of my Thai that I can speak, most of it, is curse words
because of my wife.
My wife used to really like tospeak in curse words.
This is her style.
They call it pak ma, pak ma.
This is her style.
Between mouth of a dog, right,when she speaks.

(29:25):
She doesn't know how to speakwith respect, but it doesn't
mean she's bad, but every secondword will be a curse, you know.
So.
I know all the curse words inThai and in Cambodian.
I know many, many, even some ofthem in Surin language.
I know Surin language.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
So I'm very proficient about that.
It's not that good becausesometimes it makes me, when I'm
drunk, sometimes I speaksomething not nice.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
What does Wailo mean?
Wailo.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Wailo.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Wailo I don't know I hear people.
Someone called it me at the barWailo.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah In Thai word yeah, why what does?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
that say, say again.
Why low?
Why low?
Why low?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
I never heard this word.
Why low, why low?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
What means?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
You know, it's like you know hair.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
No, I don't think they call no, you have hair.
I don't think they call itdoesn't mean hair you have hair.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
I don't think they call you bald man, waylaw.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Waylaw.
I don't know, Waylaw waylaw.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
You need to get it right, I think.
No, someone say to me like youknow who, but I can imagine who
I know, one lady that speak likethat all the time, that speak
like that all the time, and Ithink we spoke about that
earlier.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
I still don't understand, but I hear someone
say.
I hear someone say to someoneelse yesterday I said to Ty Wylo
also.
Yeah.
So then I'm like what does thismean?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I never heard this word before.
I only asked because you saidit.
Maybe it's not a curse word,maybe it's just.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
In Wylo, wylo.
Maybe it's not a curse word,maybe it's just in Waira.
This is like Waira.
It's like do you?
Okay?
This is in my, in my.
That's not.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
That's not the way you have to understand that in
Thai culture it's in Asianculture it's actually not a bad
bad to speak to someone like,for example I'm a fat guy, right
, and when I walk on the streetthey call me Pum Pui Iun and
they not mean to insult you.
It's not an insult.

(31:39):
Some people will get it wrongand say, oh, why they call me a
fat?
Yeah, because you are fat, butthey are not calling you because
they want to insult you.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
This is just a cute nickname for you, it's just
observational, yeah, yeah, yeah,I've had times where I've not
gone to Cambodia for a while andthen I go back and they go
you're more kilo.
Now, like the first thing theysay what that means.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
You're more kilo.
Ah, you're more kilo.
Yeah, Ah you more kilo.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
The first thing they say you more kilo now.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
I'm like thanks.
How are?

Speaker 4 (32:11):
you, but yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
But it's not an insult.
Many people will get it wrong.
But this way, maybe, maybe ifshe was right and she called you
a bald man, okay, that's stillan observation.
You are not that bald, you aregetting there, but you're not
there yet.
It will take some time and Iwant to know, because the first

(32:36):
time I met you you know what.
I'll go even a bit a differentdirection.
First, you said you never hadtrouble here in Pattaya, but
I've seen you got shot two times.
I see I've seen you got shot bygun two times.
Yes, so I, I already spoke tothe listeners, I told them about

(32:57):
that night.
So this is the guy that we werein with that got shot with a bb
gun two shots to the chin.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Really he was bleeding.
Oh, he was bleeding.
Let me see.
Well, because I was here, youcan't see, it's a.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
BB gun.
You saw that our mutual friendgot one here.
Yeah, I shot him in here.
No, not him, not him.
Another guy he shoot me here,yeah.
On the chin and the other guyAfter that he had a head as well
, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
But that not bleed, but no he didn't, but it was
crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
And after that we kept on drinking.
He threw up and then when weare both, all of us, bleeding
Well, I was not, but there werewe went to juju and they are
bleeding, you know, and theyjust let us inside and we are
sitting there drunk, everyone isthey can let zombies in the
nightclub Like that.
Yeah, they let us to juju,really yeah, and he was bleeding

(33:51):
and the other guy, our mutualfriend, was bleeding from the
cheek, heavy bleeding, and theyjust let us inside juju.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Doesn't matter if you have some blood.
No, as long as you're not aladyboy.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
They're letting you inside.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
No, no, but it doesn't matter if you have blood
, they doesn't care about it,they just want money.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
No, if they wanted money.
And again I say fuck Juju,because we are speaking, that
Juju are not letting ladyboysinside so unless unless with guy
even that, not always.
You told me right.
The other day someone tried togo with a customer and they will
not let her inside.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
No, no no, Not you.
For me it's just like.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
If you go to juju with me, for example, they will
let you in.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
For going together like this.
Probably, yes, but it would belike for one guy with two ladies
, like just one and one, so onecustomer, one ladyboy, yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Okay, what if you have two?
But sometimes I have more thanone.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Ladyboys yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, this is actually bringingus to the subject.
So the first time I met you wasat a ladyboy bar named
delirious, and how you findyourself in that scene with high
heel, with high heels, yeahwearing high heels.

(35:19):
Well, it wasn't his high heels,he was taking them from the
ladyboys and was dancing overthere.
That's your move.
We spoke about it already, buthow you went inside the ladyboy
scene.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think it's the first time I came to Pattaya six
years ago.
I thought I'll dip my toe in.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Okay, your toe or something else, dip my toe.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
it's just a phrase that says like stick my foot
somewhere and I say stick yourfoot, dip your toe in the water
to see if it's cold.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
So I say dip the toe or dip something else.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh, okay, that's enough.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
So, yeah, so I thought I'd try, because I'm in
Thailand.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Okay.
So, I thought, why not?
And you were with your friendsthat time, right yeah, and they
knew that you're going with aladyboy and no judgement, no,
okay, so I mean back home, Idon't really tell anybody here,

(36:30):
I don't really tell anybody here, I don't care although to be
fair, I've told some morefriends but friends back home,
kind of joke and they say, oh,I'm going to Thailand in a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Oh, you're going to fuck ladyboys all the time.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
So I just say yeah, yeah, ok, at least you're gonna
fuck ladyboys all the time.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
So I just say yeah, yeah, okay and I'm being honest,
but they think, they think I'mjoking, yeah, so I'm like, yeah,
yeah, okay, but so yeah, I kindof just uh grew from there
really and now like at youraverage trip, for example this
one, are you going exclusivelywith ladyboys or you are mixing

(37:11):
things around?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
okay, you don't have to answer if you don't want no,
I'll answer.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Um no, it's just uh laughing at how you put it, but
uh, yeah, yeah, probably 80% isladyboys Okay.
Sometimes I'm not a lady.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, by mistake.
Oh shit, I thought you were aladyboy.
Okay, let's go.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
I've actually got disappointed before.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Really.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
On a trip I was on recently, we were adamant that
this girl that my friend wastalking to was a ladyboy.
And after a while you get tosort of know and we were adamant
we're like, no, definitely aladyboy, and that's what we were
looking for.
And then when he found out shewasn't, he's like, oh, what a

(38:08):
fucking disappointment that was.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
So, like you think, her, her's a lady?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
No, no, they meet someone and they think, oh for
sure, she's a lady boy.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Ah, okay, but she's not, but she's not.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And then they're very disappointed.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I'm really glad to hear.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Normally it happens, the other way you know that
people go to the bars and theymeet someone and they're like,
oh, she's amazing, and then oh,she's a ladyboy.
And then some of them gettingreally nasty with them and some
of them just say, ah, okay, itdoesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, I know they're like me.
What do for for me, my turn,the mother of I have is like man
, a guy come to talk to me.
Or like 20 minutes, likeprovenance, yeah, and and he

(39:00):
start equation.
It's like you lady already boy,but taught me me for a few
minutes, like 10, 10 minutes,it's like for two or three days.
I said I'm a ladyboy.
Oh, I'm sorry, I just thoughtyou were a ladyboy, I think
you're a lady.
And then sometimes it's like oh, you look like a lady.

(39:24):
You look like a lady and yeah,but you know like, try like to
look like lady and yeah, but youknow like, try like to try with
lady boy.
I have like a lot of guy trywith lady boy for first time.
They say like with me for firsttime with lady boy.
But do you believe them?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
no, because I say this to people but I'm joking
with them.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
I'm always like I never, I've never done it before
.
You want the first experience.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
It's my first time.
It's like the drug addicts thatare always chasing the first
time of using heroin.
You're chasing the first timeof using a ladyboy.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I've been with a ladyboy.
If I hear that, I'm going to belike roll my eyes.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Come on, come on.
He say, say yeah, then you gowith him and then he suck your
cock like a professional.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I give you like a reward more than you give me
money.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I think that's very common, but most of the guys.
Yeah, sometimes they getconfused and they go to bars,
but I think most of the ladyboysnow they stopped hiding it, so
most they will immediatelyalmost.
If it's not exclusive ladyboybar, if it's a mixed bar, they
will tell you I'm a ladyboybecause they don't want the the
drama after yeah, yeah it.

(40:40):
It wasn't, it's used.
It wasn't like that before.
Sometimes the ladyboys werehiding it, you know, but how far
can you hide it?
Come on, even if they had thesurgery and they are post-op,
you can still understand.
Something is different, right?

Speaker 4 (40:57):
yeah, yeah, it's so.
The first time I came toPattaya I couldn't tell really
like some there are some.
Very no, no, there are.
I couldn't tell Really no likesome.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
There are some very no.
No, there are signs that youcan find on 99% of the ladyboys.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Oh, I know now, but the first time I came I was
Because my friends had beenbefore.
They were more.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Experienced in that area?
Yes, more than me.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
So I was going, wow guys, look, look, look all those
girls over there and they'relike ladyboys and I'm like no no
, no and then they're like yeah,they are.
And then, uh, but yeah, I waslike constantly like that okay
but yeah, and what?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
what are the signs now?
How do you tell?
Because later, no, no, that'simportant because some people,
same you will be, will come herefor the first time and they
want to know how they can tellsomeone is a ladyboy.
I will start with you.
What do you think is the mainsign?
Because I I'm aware that theladyboy sometimes don't aware of
the signs.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
For a lady boy, for a lady boy, how to know.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
I'm a foreigner or I'm a guy, doesn't matter, you
don't have to be a foreigner.
And I see a girl, how can Iknow that she's a lady boy?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Her.
Look on her shoulder Okay.
It's like wide shoulder, yeah,second hit is like how hips what
do you mean?
So lady boy is um, it's a manbody so it doesn't have hip yeah

(42:46):
, like a lady.
So it's not round, it'sstraight more it's straight more
and if it have, so probablythey wear like pants there are
special pants that do padding.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
That will make them look like, but they can do
surgeries.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Now for that, yeah, yeah is now for that, yeah, yeah
.
Yeah, I see the feet, the feet.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Okay, probably it's like maybe half small, maybe
half big, but yeah, but most ofthe thais have small feet, even
the men, like, if you go like, Ithink the average in thailand
for feet for men is 40 or 41.
Yeah, yeah, so it's muchsmaller than the Western average
.
The Western average is 44 or 43.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
For me, I'm a 42 or 43.
Yeah, like that.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So you're a bit above average in Thailand, right?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, then about lady voices more than easy to say
like they're going to be, likehow they dress up, how they make
up, is like more perfectly thanlady, okay, what your tells so
I think the the easiest and thenicest one is that probably

(44:01):
going to be very beautiful okay.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I agree with that.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah if they're incredibly beautiful,
then something is yeah, becausenow the ladyboys beautiful.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Then Something is yeah, there's a good 80.
Because now the ladyboys lookmuch better than the ladies here
.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a good 80% chance it's
probably a ladyboy.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, if she's stunning.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yeah, yeah and yeah, I think again.
Feet height yeah, yeah, I'mlistening, yeah, feet height
yeah, I'm listening, yeah, feetheight.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah, but the Thais again, they are shorter.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
And I know Thai girls that are, let's say, the
average in Thailand is 163.
Okay, and I know girls, thatgirls, genuine girls that are
above 163.
Right, and I know ladyboys thatare under that.
So, genuine girls that areabove 163, right, and I know
ladyboys that are under that.
So.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Yeah, it's yeah, I think, the one thing that I've.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
The bulge, the bulge.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
That's a big giveaway If you can see that.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
No, not bulge.
Bulge is when you wearunderwear and you not tuck your
cock behind, so you have.
You know, like that, this iscalled bulge, bulge, bulge.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I see.
So yeah, oh, I see.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So yeah, but normally the ladyboys like to tuck their
cock behind the wall.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
so yeah, yeah, I do also.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
I don't know how you do that.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Is it very easy.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
But is it Can do that , and then when you open it like
pow, it's like a spring andopen it like pow it's like a
spring so the the one thing thatI've noticed recently is the
size of the head.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
This is the head size of the head okay yeah normally
the head are bigger, bigger okay.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Are you carrying a regular head to compare?
No no, really, I'm asking howcan you compare it?
You compare it to your headI've got.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
No, it's like I've got a hat that I put on.
If it fits, okay.
If it's too big, no, uh, Idon't know.
I've just.
I've just noticed recently whenI've looked to try and spot
them.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Pim is eating and she's shy.
Pim, you can eat while we arepodcasting.
Don't worry, let's go.
You can eat.
She's eating a mango and Idon't know what else.
I think I don't know what it ispineapple over there ok sorry
everyone.
No, it's ok, she's hungry.
Go on, I'm Pineapple Over there.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Okay, sorry everyone.
No, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
She's hungry.
Go on, I'm listening, I'mlistening, yeah, okay, anyway,
my theory they have a biggerhead.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Okay so.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Not all, but it's more noticeable on when they're
really thin, okay, yeah, I agreewith that.
So I know a lot of.
Then they look like abobblehead yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
A small body and a big head?

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, I know what you mean.
It's more noticeable.
Then I'm not going to have thetape measure measuring people's
heads, no, but the thing yousaid with the head before,
that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
People can carry a head and just put on them.
Okay, probably a lady boy.
Probably a lady boy.
Oh, that's a lady.
My system it's working, unlessyou have.
You are a guy with monstroushands.
Just compare the hand size toher.
So normally the Thais have bighands.

(47:39):
Okay, for example, pim's handis bigger than my hand.
Yeah, it's very easy, probablyfucking huge yeah, my hand
bigger than yeah.
Scott's hand, but exactly, andmy hand also, and without the
nails, right, without the nails.
She got her new nails today.
They are very long and verysharp.
Yeah, you can hear that, butthat's the best way I find.

(48:03):
Yeah, yeah, because I neverseen thai lady with big hands
and the lady boys always so justhigh five them and then okay,
that's a lady boy and probablygonna gonna make more because
like plus more with now, is it?
yeah, but ladies can wear also,but the, the thais, normally
have long fingers.
I don't know, the Thai mennormally have long fingers.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Good for Adis.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Maybe we will not tell you what she just showed,
but it's not appropriate to thepodcast.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
She's picking up some manga.
That's what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Like that?
Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure ofthat.
And have you found that, likeI'm not getting into specific
sex stuff because I don't thinkthat's something that's
interesting for people to talkbut you find that there are
better lovers for you?
When I mean lovers, you knowwhat I mean.

(48:58):
But no, I'm serious, becausesometimes people will say that
the ladies here are more of astarfish and they don't really
enjoy the act.
Right, okay, you pay them, youdo whatever and that's it.
And most of the people that Iknow that goes with ladyboys say
it's a completely differentexperience with ladyboys.

(49:18):
They are into it, they arethere.
Sometimes they are extremelyhorny, even sometimes more than
you yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'dagree.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Um, I think I'm not the kind of person that takes
the girl back and then, well, Isay girl I mean lady, lady boy,
whatever.
Um, why not take a girl backand put them straight on the bed
?

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Okay, of course, on a date.
So Generally You're warmingthem up first.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Generally, they want to eat.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, the Thais eat a lot.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Straight away.
Yeah, so Can I eat in your room?
Yes, okay, so, but yeah, I likeI sit, I Eat with them, chat
with them, I chat with them.
I've had such a fucking laughwith ladyboys Okay, they've had
me in tears laughing.
Yeah, I don't know, it's yeah,just different.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
They're very funny, but they're very energetic.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Some of them yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
I think, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I agreewith what you say.
They're more into the actitself More appreciative kind of
thing.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
But when you say energetic, it makes me so.
There is a problem in theladyboy community in thailand
that many of the ladyboys are ondrugs.
I know the ladyboy, the ladies,also take drugs, but I think
the numbers are much higher, asfar as I know in the ladyboy

(50:56):
community and sometimes whenthey are too energetic it can
like throw you off.
You say, is she on something?
Like some guys don't care.
You know Some guys are alsotaking drugs here so they can do
drugs together.
But when someone is tooenergetic it always throws me
off and I say, okay, what isgoing on here?

Speaker 4 (51:17):
You know, you notice that, yeah, but what drugs are
they on?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
So the most popular drugs in Thailand and I'm not
talking about ganja andmarijuana, because you know and
hash, whatever, because it'slegal.
So we are talking about icemostly, and yaba.
So do you know what yaba?
I don't know what you mean.
Okay, so ice is just, let'scall it, crystal meth, okay,

(51:44):
Okay, yeah.
And the Yaba is also meth, butit's come in a tablet shape and
it's mixed with concentratedcaffeine, okay, caffeine.
So when you take it you canstay awake for two, three days.
And actually this is whatcaused the craziness, because

(52:05):
when a person doesn't sleep fora while, his mind is getting
distorted, you know, and he canimagine stuff and he he sure.
Oh, there is a ghost in frontof me, but there is nothing
there, of course, but it'sbecause of they are depraved of
sleep, because of they've takensuch big amounts of caffeine and
methamphetamine together.
So those are the most commondrugs.

(52:26):
You can find people on cocainehere, but it's very expensive
and I'm not doing drugs myself,right, because the listeners
know my story.
I'm not into that anymore.
But yeah, it's very common here.
You never notice, like when youspoke you spoke, let's say, with
a random lady or ladyboy thather eyes are getting wide like

(52:48):
moving around yeah, so this isnormally the cause from ice,
okay, and when she's blabbering,you know she tried to speak and
she jumped from one subject toanother subject, you know this
is ice, normally okay.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know okay,it's good that you don't know,

(53:09):
because, yeah, no, I didn't, I'msorry that I ruined it for you.
Now you thought, oh, she wasvery energetic, she's fun, and
now you know she's high.
You know, I'm sorry I ruined itfor you, but it wasn't my you
just explained yeah, but now,now he will check for it.
You know now, every time he willmeet someone that is energetic,
he will try to say oh, I'm notenergetic, I don't kiss anybody.

(53:30):
Pim are you on drugs, scott?
Are you on drugs, are you?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
you know, like the meme is like Spiderman 3,
spiderman 3, yeah, the threeSpidermans that show each other.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
The meme.
It's a meme, a famous meme,that you see three Spider-Mans
pointing at each other.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You know that meme.
Who is the real Spider-Man?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
So who's the high?
Who's high?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Doesn't matter, it depends on.
I kind of said I have a friend,I I can.
I said like I have friend and Ihad to before I have friend.
I'm trying to help them alsoyeah but it, but it doesn't work
to help them.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
So it's work.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
If they want it to, yeah, but they have to put their
foot also but I know somefriend but they are doesn't
doing I mean like doesn't makeany trouble to me, so we're just
talking, we just chat like that, but hang out sometimes but

(54:34):
doesn't hang out in the way likethey do.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, but as long as they are not making you feel
like, oh, now you are sittingwith us, please, pim, do also.
That's okay.
Right, if they are doing it intheir own privacy and their own
time and not try to influenceother people.
The problem is that sometimesthey can influence other people
and I've seen it happen eveninside bars okay, at the back

(54:58):
rooms of the bars.
I wish it wasn't there, becauseit's terrible.
In my opinion, all the howwould they say?

Speaker 4 (55:07):
all the drug, the drugs that affect the effect of
the drugs here in Thailand aredevastating do you feel that
they, some of them, feel theyneed to do that to do the job?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I really don't know to, to be you.
I think you need to ask them.
I think some of them might.
I think some of them just doingit because they enjoy it.
You know, and think about itmore.
It's a very demanding jobwalking in the bar.
So you walk there for at least,let's say, between eight to
sometimes even 12 hours everyday, and then you still want to

(55:44):
have fun, because it's not a funjob working in the bar, but you
are tired.
So, hey, I will take somethingthat will make, give me energy,
and now I can go, party, dance,maybe not even sleep, go to the
bar tomorrow, make more money.
It's creating a loop, a verydangerous loop yeah, yeah but
other things to make.

(56:04):
You have energy, we have youknow, yeah, like and stuff like
that, but like an energy drinkor something like.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Um, uh, how to say that?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
like coffee yeah, even carton.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
You have carton that is kind of legal here yeah, yeah
, but it's um, that is, uh, it'snot really good way to to drink
all the time, you know, justbut I think he asked very good
question before.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
What do you think you think there is, uh, the problem
that, no, the reason that theladyboy community here using
more drugs, you think it'sbecause of their job yeah,
probably probably yes.
Because they have to go withmen and be happy all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Men did also.
Men asked to travel also.
So what they can do, they justyou know, they want they, just
they did it for money.
So it's.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
No, no, I think.
Tell me if I'm wrong.
I think you meant like in orderto forget you know Like.
You meant that right.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
I meant more to function.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Oh to function.

Speaker 4 (57:09):
Doing the job so like you say, you know you're in the
bar for a long time.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Just to have the energy for it.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Yeah, so I mean, like you say you could do eight till
four, six in in the morning,and then if a customer takes you
home and then, and then you'vegot to eat and whatever yeah,
and then it could be.
I mean, I'd I said look you,you want to go sleep, go sleep,

(57:38):
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
And then everyone if the lady was here.
If you want a free, free placeto sleep, just meet Scott.
Very easy, you don't have tofuck with him, okay, okay okay.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Yeah, so then you know, at that point, you know
it's a long time.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
It might be that also .
I think it's a mixture ofeverything that we spoke here.
Maybe it's, as you said, to getmore energy, maybe it's to
forget, and maybe just theinfluence, as she said, that
sometimes the customers wantthem to do drugs with them, and
I've seen that happen.
So I know, we know the samestory.
So we've seen that happen oncein the bar I think you were

(58:22):
there also, but I don't know ifyou noticed that that some
customer tried to influence thegirls.
Hey, do that with me yeah, yeahI'm feeling.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I'm feeling I'm feeling bad to to saw that, but
but I'm not, I'm not shoutingpeople from.
This thing did because I saw itlike they did that for money
okay and after that, after theyget money back home.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
So nothing doesn't, it doesn't matter I wanted to
start something new in thepodcast.
I wanted to ask you like threequestions that I will ask
everyone that coming here and Ithink I thought about it a lot.
I haven't told you about it,but I think you'll think it's a
good idea also, pim.
So I have three questions foryou and I want just your answer.

(59:09):
So what is your favorite Thaidish?
You have to choose one.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I'm not sure if it's that Thai, but I have chicken
with cashew nuts yeah, it's Thai.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
yeah, it's a Thai dish, so chicken cashew.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
How do you call that in Thai?
The chicken cashew.
I asked her a purpose when shetook a bite because I wanted to
see her reaction.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
So chicken with cashew nut?
Yeah, and that is called.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Okay.
Yeah, it's called Chiew Nutwith chicken and have some green
leaf and vegetable, and it'sserved like that, with the rice
on the side right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
It is stir-fried.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
So that's your favorite thai dish.
What is your favorite bar inpate favorite?
Bar yeah you can say any barthat you want I don't know, you
know what?
For this question, I give youtwo options.
You can choose between twooptions yeah no, I just choose

(01:00:24):
one like delirious, deliriouswhiskey lounge yeah, okay, which
is, if people don't know, it'sa very known ladyboy bar which I
also serve a lot of whiskeys,so it got the best like whiskey
selection.
So even people that don't carefor ladyboys they go there to

(01:00:45):
drink.
Like you can find almost anywhiskey, from the cheapest one
to the most expensive, yamazakisand stuff like that yeah and
what is your favorite hotel tostay when you're in Pattaya?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
my favorite hotel yeah um the nicest hotel I've
stayed in is the Amber Hotel.
Yeah, um the nicest hotel I'vestayed in is the Amber Amber.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Where is that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Amber Shop.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Of course you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Of course you know, Come on mate.
Come on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
So where is that Pim?
Yeah, I'm listening.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Is it um Soi 18?

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Soi 18?
It's not, it's just off.
Soi Bokau.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Soi Bokau.
Yeah, it's not far from SoiBokau.
Like mmm.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
At which end of Soi Bokau, south end or north end?
Oh, I don't know, On on.
On the middle, is it the AmberHotel?
No, don't search it up, peoplewill look it up, it doesn't
matter.
So you like the Amber Hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Yeah, I stayed there in Vancouver.
It's very good.
It's very posh, or?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
it's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
It's a nice hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Expensive one.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Yeah, I don't know how much we pay now More than
usual.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, because now I know both of us, we are staying
in well, we can say condos orapartments, which is much
cheaper than staying in a hotelif you come for like a long time
, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, pim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
For me this is yeah, pim.
For me it's quite like I don'tsay like my favorite hotel.
Can I say it like?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
No, I never stayed there, but I think it's the most
expensive hotel in Pattaya.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
no, In Pattaya.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
It's just above the Central Festival.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that hotel,
I don't stay there, no, yeah,yeah, you know that hotel.
I don't stay there, no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
But you know the prices.
The prices are crazy like it'snot even western prices, it's
much higher than that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:55):
Yeah, no, it's really expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
So yeah, I have experience about like you stayed
there before with somecustomers yeah, for months or
times like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Okay, and it's really nice.
You think it's worth the money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
For me it's about like If you stay, I mean like if
you stay in a room like closeto Beach Road, I mean like have
a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Sea view.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Balcon, a balcony, and then you can solve yeah well
, perfect from sea and and uh,patina beach.
Yeah, then it's like is this,is it's a war to to pay?
That much and like about thequality, about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
You know, it doesn't only room, it's like gym, it's
like you know you haveeverything on site yeah, yeah,
yeah but when you compare it tosomething like, for example,
michelle's apartment right whenwe did the podcast with michelle
, michelle's apartment isamazing.
You have a beach view, it'shuge.
I will not say where you stay,I can tell you after the podcast

(01:04:04):
, but amazing view, right, andhuge apartment.
It's two, two very big rooms,nice toilet, nice kitchen and
it's much less that is a yeah,it's kind of it's kind of
condominium so yeah, I'm talkingabout the hotel yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, so there is myfavorite Hilton.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Expensive girlfriend.
Yeah expensive girlfriend butstayed there only two times in
the past two years.
Very expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Too much for me then.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
So, as I said before, now both of us moved to
actually condominium.
Right, we live.
Yeah, it's much cheaper and youget I think you get a lot more.
Yeah, this is what I feel.
So they don't clean your roomor you might have to bring your
own towels, but it's so muchcheaper to pay, like, where I

(01:05:00):
stay now.
I will not say, of course,where I I stay now, but I pay
only 7,000 a month and it's anice room.
Right, the location is okay.
It's not the best location inthe world, but it's quiet yeah
you find it also like do youthink that on your next trip
here, if you will leave and comeback, or whatever, you will

(01:05:22):
stay in the condominium also oryou book hotel?
Yeah, I think, if you willleave and come back, or whatever
, you will stay in thecondominium also, or you book
hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:05:26):
Yeah, I think.
I think it depends on thelength of stay, but yeah, condos
so cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Compared to hotels, Sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
I don't want to say cheap, because for some people
it isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
No, but I said compared to hotel rates, yeah,
yeah, it's much cheaper comparedto hotels yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
I mean, amber hotel is nice, but I think people pay.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
I don't know two, three nights two thousand bucks,
probably two, no more more thantwo thousand three thousand
baht a night yeah, it'salmost000?
.
3,000 baht a night yeah, it'salmost Hilton prices.
3,000 baht a night yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
So it's, yeah, it's a nice hotel, but yeah, it's
expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Yeah, that price for two nights.
You can stay at condominium forone month.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
So when I first got here, I wasstaying in hotels and then I
was like, right, if I'm gonnastay here sort of longer term, I
need something cheaper.
I can't be spending that everynight.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
And soon, if you your plan that we spoke before will
work out, you will have to, Iguess, move to Bangkok and find
somewhere over there.
You will prefer to stay likewell, I think, because you don't
know Bangkok yet, but I thinkyou don't want to stay in the
middle of everything.
Right, you probably findsomething outside, in the
outskirts of the downtownBangkok.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably.
But yeah, I don't know how muchit costs there, but Do you know
, Pim, how much condominium cancost in Bangkok?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Do you have any idea?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
For a start, like a start apartment probably.
It's like a 5,000?
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
So 5,000 is the cheapest you can get.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Yeah for condominium.
This would be like if you stayin Bangkok.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Let's say a place like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
A place like this would be like 10.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Okay, that's a reasonable price.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Yeah, yeah, if you stay in like a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So let's say, 20-30% more expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That's really manageable yeah so I probably
say, like it's to have a cheaproom, like she plays for, for
many people working, you know,because I can break up is have a
lot of people staying yeah, thepeople that are not from

(01:07:57):
Bangkok, yeah, they can't dobecause they can't work for work
so this is so.
It depends on the place.
Modern models depend on theplace, like Pattaya also Some
places far from the beach.
It's much cheaper.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I find it much more pleasant to stay where the Thais
stay.
I think it's more funny wherethe thais stay.
I think it's more funny likeyou meet, more you know when
you're stuck with with, let'ssay, in a place that almost all
the the the people that livethere are, let's say, foreigners
or expats or whatever.
How do you want to call them?
yeah, they are much more serious.

(01:08:36):
They are taking everythingseriously.
And when you stay, for example,I really can say like
nirankondo, you know nirankondo.
And when you stay, for example,I can say like Neron Kondo, you
know, neron Kondo.
No, so it's the place that mostI think of the Thai workers,
ladies and ladyboys, stay there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
It's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
It's so much fun over there.
Where is that?
Where is that?
I can show you it's not farfrom here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Yeah, it's not far from here, but it's just.
You know it's not far from here, but it's just.
You know it's like how manybuildings there are.
Four buildings, right, fourbuildings full of Thai people
and some foreigners.
Some foreigners think how funit is.
You go there.
You know everyone you meet.
Oh, where do you work?
Oh, I work that bar.
Okay, I can visit you tomorrow.
You know it's much better thanstaying with uptight foreigners

(01:09:22):
that.
Oh, I heard you fart last night.
It's too loud.
Can you fart in the toilet orwhatever?
You know they're alwayscomplaining.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of rules.
The one I'm staying in now it'syeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
What kind of rules?

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Like, if you fart too loud, 2,000 baht fine If you do
anything if you get in.
If you go to loud, two thousandbar fine if you do, if you do
anything, if you get in.
If you go to the pool and youget in the lift, like when you
get in you can't be wet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
If you're wet, you're fine really no, it's a big list
of them.
When I came to this place, shegave me a contract and she
wanted me to sign.
But I'm a Jewish guy, come on,I will read the contract.
So I read the contract and Iwas just writing on it what I
don't agree with and I tell her,and she couldn't understand.
I say, okay, you can translatewhatever you want.

(01:10:11):
I can tell you, she translatedand she changed the contract for
me yeah there were three thingsthat I didn't really agree with
, and she changed it yeah, no,that's good.
I mean yeah, like I read mycontract for example, it said
that everything that break inthe room is my fault so wait.
So I said what about normal?

(01:10:31):
Well, like things get broken bythemselves.
You know, thing gets old.
For example, you're sitting ona sofa.
A sofa like that will not staythe same way for 20 years.
Yeah, so I say, what aboutVerente?
She added it in.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
So sometimes you have to check Everything is broken
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
No, they say everything that's broken,
everything.
No, every furniture that's inthe apartment is on the rent.
I forget how they wrote it, butthat is my responsibility if
anything happens to it.
It sounds like, okay, there isa lightning strike outside and

(01:11:16):
the window is broken.
How is that my fault, you know?
So, yeah, it's fucked up knowyeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
So yeah, when you're looking for rent room whatever
in an apartment or condominiumyou have to read it, yeah,
before you sign you read itnormally, not only I'm do like
it doesn't have to sign likethis thing they probably do more
like them just pay money andget keys and save room Like I
have.
But you have to pay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah.
You need to pay the advance.
Right?
You have to pay the For a month, for one month before, mm-hmm.
Okay, that's not bad, but youpaid that also right A month
ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
So yeah, I paid for this month.
Then they take deposit Foranother month.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
For like electric and water.
Oh, that's it, not for a fullmonth.
No, okay, that's good For me.
They took for a full month here.
Four Full full month oh, full.
So I pay.
I'm paying seven here.
They took another seven as adeposit.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Which is not bad, it's still okay.
But you know, yeah, yeah, youget that money back.
Just, you had to stay for a,for a house, like you had to
stay for a six month.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Then you can get back like six months, and then you
get back like that way okay,yeah, but in this place, for
example, the longer you stay,the price is going down yeah,
yeah so a monthly is 7 000.
If I stay for more than a yearis 5 500, which?
Then you say okay, that's greatyeah, for that price.

(01:12:50):
Yeah, definitely yeah, so Ithink we'll end this episode
with me eating a mango yeah okay, scott, first of all, I want to
thank you very much for doingthat.
I hope you had fun as much aswe had.
I think we had.
We shared some good laughsthank you so much.

(01:13:11):
No, thank you and it took us awhile to arrange that.
I know we spoke about it a fewtimes and always changed the
dates and a few drunkconversations, yeah, but it
happened eventually.
It happened Eventually, ithappened, yeah, yeah.
And I want first of all, you cansay whatever you want to plug
or say to the listeners if youhave anything.

Speaker 4 (01:13:34):
No, nothing really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Okay.
So he hope nothing for you.
He don't give a fuck about you.
That's okay.
I want to thank our listeners.
Like scott, that doesn't careabout you I want to thank you
for listening and it's alwaysgreat to know that you are
listening and we are readingevery comment and we are trying
to answer everything that we getfrom you, which, by the way, we

(01:13:58):
have a lot to do today.
I will show you like four atleast.
Yeah, and another thing we juststarted a patreon.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know,yeah, we went to that route, but
we have to make some money inorder to keep that going.
We have equipment to buy and wewant to improve, so I will
share the patreon link in everyshow notes so you can find it

(01:14:23):
over there.
And again, even if you don'twant to pay, just listening to
us or liking the videos wellit's not video, but liking our
content.
That will be enough.
So thank you, guys.
We really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Closing word Pim thank you so much everything you
did for us like or listen,whatever subscribe, it's just
like it's making me feeling getsupport from your guys it's get
her hard yeah, thank you so much.
I hope you guys have a greatday thank you, bye, bye.