From Brazil to Africa: A Radical Reimagining of Purpose | Ft. Rafael Rodrigues Ep. 068 [Part 1] - My Thick Accent

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Gurasis (00:07):
What if the life you are living isn't really yours?
See, we grew up with a scriptstudy hard, get a job, start a
business, make money, andhappiness will follow.
But what if you reach the endof that path and feel nothing?
Well, that's exactly what ourguest realized at the age of 25.

(00:27):
He had followed every step laidout for him, only to find
himself searching for somethingdeeper.
In 2013, he made a bold move,leaving behind the life he knew
to dedicate himself tohumanitarian work.
That leap of faith led him toMalawi, africa, where he helped

(00:47):
build a children's clinicthrough an independent project
called Playing for Africa, thename born from a spontaneous
moment, 10 seconds of decisionmaking and a deep desire to make
a difference.
For him, everything, whetherit's design, photography,
storytelling or even education,boils down to one word

(01:08):
creativity.
And that's what led him topublish his book as well Okondwa
Building Happiness and whatcontinues to fuel his global
impact.
Even his love story is rootedin his journey, but his story
isn't just about art.
It's about reinvention, purposeand the courage to unlearn what
we are told success should looklike.

(01:30):
In this episode, we unpack histransformative journey, how he
checks in with himself everyyear, the turning point that led
him to humanitarian work andwhat he has learned about
building happiness beyondborders.
Please welcome Rafael.

Rafael (01:47):
My God, what a nice introduction.
You can introduce me betterthan myself.
That's very nice, very nice.
Thank you very much for havingme.

Gurasis (01:59):
Well, I'm very glad to hear that you know.
Call me anytime, I'm happy todo that for you.

Rafael (02:03):
Wow, that's very nice.

Gurasis (02:04):
That's very nice awesome, very, very excited to
have you on the show, rafael.
I just want to give a littlebackground to my listeners.
So I met rafael at a networkingevent.
I went last month too, Ibelieve, and that's where he was
.
Rafael was one of the guestsand I said, okay, I have to
bring him on the show justbecause of the stories he was

(02:25):
telling on the on hispresentation.
I said, okay, this person hasto be on the show and share it
with my audience.
So very, very excited to haveyou, rafael, welcome once again.

Rafael (02:33):
Thank you for having me and I'm looking forward to share
some of my stories.

Gurasis (02:39):
Absolutely.
Let's unfold that.
But before that, this episodeis part of season two, like I
was telling you, and I have alittle bit like fun questions to
ask you before we get into yourjourney.

Rafael (02:49):
Okay.

Gurasis (02:49):
So the first question is tell me what's your go-to
breakfast.

Rafael (02:55):
My go-to breakfast.
Okay, my life worked like in apendulum movement it's one thing
then another.
So before I moved to Colombia,before I entered this journey, I
had a typical Brazilianbreakfast that is black coffee,

(03:17):
a piece of bread and that's it,like almost didn't exist.
But now that I met theColombian culture, american
American culture is three eggscoffee and bread.

Gurasis (03:31):
Okay, and you still follow that till date today.

Rafael (03:34):
I still follow, yeah, because it's a lot of protein
and it's better.
And I ended up learning thatthe Brazilian way of having
breakfast actually not havingbreakfast is not that good.

Gurasis (03:47):
Okay, so tell us about a favorite song or a dialogue or
a movie, and tell us why it'ssignificant to you that's a very
nice question.

Rafael (03:59):
I have a lot of songs, but I have one line from a movie
.
It's called Blood Diamonds.
Leonardo DiCaprio, with anotheractor, tells the story about

(04:20):
the blood diamonds in somecountry in Africa I don't
remember if it's Rwanda oranother country, but it tells
the story of the guys who keepsearching for diamonds and how
they kill a lot of people.
That's called blood diamonds,uh, and there's a part of the
movie like going to the endingthat I will not give a spoiler.
But the one girl calls thismain character of leonardo di
caprio and ask him where are younow?

(04:43):
Because he needs help.
And he replies I am where I wassupposed to be.
So that phrase for me, okay,okay, that makes sense.
You are exactly where you'resupposed to be, in a meaning
that your effort, your choicesbrought you here and you are
here where exactly you'resupposed to be, not one step

(05:06):
further, not one step back.

Gurasis (05:07):
Exactly where you absolutely wow, I love that do
you also keep that as a reminderfor yourself at situations?
Do you do that?

Rafael (05:15):
yes, because I like to.
Before I had a lot of excusesabout my life, to not being
successful or to have a hardtime.
So it's always someone elsefault my father or the system or
the government or this and thatbut I shit that, that now it's

(05:37):
everything my fault, even thethings.
That is not my fault.
I try to see not my fault, Itry to see it as my fault.
So in that phrase came like toback up this like you are
exactly where you should be.
Your results today, even if youdon't like the result, is the
result of your effort.
So don't blame anything else,don't blame anybody else.

(05:59):
It's where it's at too.
And you start to see that lifeis, or the life of people, when
you see people complaining orthis or that, when you see in
the core, everyone is exactlywhere they should be, because if
they keep the accountabilityand ask themselves the hard

(06:19):
questions, they will be likeokay, there's nothing wrong.
I'm here because the result ofmy action.
So I keep this phrase as a, asa reminder that I'm responsible
for my life I love that you know.

Gurasis (06:33):
thanks for reiterating that we do discuss that a lot on
the podcast, because immigrantsdo have this tendency to
compare their lives with oh mygod, the person has got the pia,
the person has got the job, theperson has got this and that,
but you don't realize that whenit's your time, it's going to
happen.

Rafael (06:48):
Exactly For the good or for the bad.

Gurasis (06:55):
It's up to you, okay.
So next is if you had to teachone phrase in your mother?

Rafael (07:06):
tongue to us.
What would it be and what doesit mean?
That's hard my mother tongue.
I would say in Portuguese segueo jogo, segue o jogo.

Gurasis (07:23):
Okay.

Rafael (07:23):
Segue o jogo.
It's literally keep playing.
It's literally like go ahead.
Like you know, in soccer whenthere's two players that hit
each other and they fall.
So the referee sometimes, whenthey want that the match keep
going, he said keep the game,keep the game playing.

(07:45):
The game, keep the game playing.
I said keep the game playing.
So it's a reminder that don'tlet this thing stop the match or
the game.
Keep going, keep playing.
So keep going.

Gurasis (08:00):
Yeah, I feel like there's like underlying
motivation there that, hey, keepgoing Exactly, don't let these
external factors stop you.
Keep going Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, I feel like there's likeunderlying motivation there that
hey, keep going exactly don'tlet these external factors stop
you keep going exactly, exactly,keep the game, keep going.

Rafael (08:10):
It doesn't matter you can think about it later, but
show must go on, keep goingexactly, I love that.

Gurasis (08:19):
So lastly in this section, if you could teleport
back to a particular place fromyour home country for a day, or
anywhere you have been, whatwould you do and where would you
go?

Rafael (08:29):
Only place or time.
Could I go back in time also,or just go back to one place?
So?

Gurasis (08:38):
this is allow us to travel geographically or in time
also.
I'll let you answer.
You answer whatever you have inmind.

Rafael (08:46):
Okay, so I will connect the two answers.
I would go back to Brazil whenI was like 24, 25.
And I would say that to myselfSegue o jogo, keep going, keep
playing.
I would say that to myselfsegue o jogo, keep going, keep
playing.
I would say that Because ittook me a long time to realize

(09:09):
that, like five years, that Icould realize in two months, I
don't know.
So I would say that I went backto Brazil 15 years ago, I don't
know and say segue o jogo, keepgoing, yeah, Okay.

Gurasis (09:23):
So speaking of that, let me take you back to the time
you spent in Brazil.
Tell us a little bit about yourfor many years, the city you
were born in, and how was itlike just growing up in Brazil.

Rafael (09:33):
Yeah, I was born in São Paulo in Brazil, in a very poor
neighborhood and very dangerous,but as a kid we don't realize
this, we don't realize, we justkeep playing and everything is
great.
And also I saw someone saideveryone says, ah, my time when

(09:56):
I was a kid was the best time.
The old times was better.
And of course it was betterbecause you were a kid, so you
don't have to work, you don'thave to worry about the bills,
so every time is better, eventhough it's hard times for the
society, for you was the besttime.

Gurasis (10:12):
It's the age which was the fun and the better, exactly.

Rafael (10:17):
So, even though it was a very dangerous neighborhood and
we were very poor, I couldn'tsee how would you?

Gurasis (10:27):
define dangerous.
What do you mean by that?

Rafael (10:30):
I have a perfect example for you for that.
I met one friend from Denmark.
She was Danish and I wastalking about my life and I said
to her and I was talking aboutmy life and I said to her that
every time I went to school, inthe back wall of the school,

(10:50):
like in the backyard, there'salways a body there.
And every week we went there tosee the dead body and she got
like.
She got like very scared, but Inever saw a body on the street
because it had been shot orsomething like this.
Then I realized, okay, I'mnormalizing something that's not

(11:12):
normal.
So I remember very clear thatgoing to school sometimes
there's a body over there, thatsome, some guys got shot.
So there's new papers,newspapers over the body and
sometimes I remember to climbthe the the wall of the school
just to walk to see the otherbody from that someone else.

(11:35):
So I remember me like, okay,that's life, keep the match.
But now I realize it was verydangerous, even though at that
time I did not realize that.
So, like my father, make the,my mother and my father made it

(12:02):
possible for us to cannot seethis.
They tried their best to keepus looking to the other side.
So I remember my father takingus to museums, expositions, to
do anything in order for us tosee different sides of the life

(12:24):
and not get that, that, thatpart.
So I was.
I always said that, that to mysisters and to my friends that I
was very lucky because I hadsome friends that they got shot,
they got killed, uh problemswith, uh drugs or other problems

(12:46):
.
So I like, look to my right, tomy left, there's problems.
It could be me anytime and Idon't know why was not me.
So, yeah, it's lucky.

Gurasis (12:58):
Wow, it's, uh, definitely dangerous.
Yeah, yeah, oh my, I can't evenfathom seeing like a body
almost like every day, maybe atthat young age.
But yeah, that is kind of scaryand at the same time a little
weird to me, you know.

Rafael (13:20):
And like what's normal, like countless times I was
playing soccer on the streetsand I heard someone there's a
body.
Someone found a body over thatcorner and we rushed there just
to see the body and wait for thepolice to come to do the
investigation or something.
So that's not normal, yeah.

Gurasis (13:40):
So you know now, rafael , you were talking pretty
casually about it or justsharing it with us, but did that
impact you in any way?
Maybe on your mental health, ormaybe your upbringing in any
way?
Or maybe you had this thing inyour mind that, okay, I have to

(14:01):
leave this place, I cannot stayhere for longer.

Rafael (14:03):
Maybe that thought hit your mind yeah, I never realized
that, but this maybe can be amain reason, uh, that I end up
being an immigrant because, uh,you, you grow up.
Seeing that kind of thingssometimes is a reminder that I
need to get out of here.
I need to get out of here.
It's not to get out of here, itis not safe.

(14:24):
I'm realizing this now.
Thank you for the input,because sometimes people ask me
why you choose to live in Canadaor other country and it was
never clear to me.
I don't know, it was always adream.
I saw pictures of Canada, theseother countries, but maybe
there's like a reason.

(14:45):
One of the seeds of my decisionis to be in this place, in this
scenario, to see some badthings happening around me that
I had to move out.

Gurasis (14:58):
Yeah, you don't want to live your life looking over
your shoulder each time youleave the house Like, okay, is
it me next.

Rafael (15:04):
Exactly looking over your shoulder each time you
leave the house, like, okay, isit me next?
Exactly.
And also we were discussingthis with some friends, uh, last
saturday, and we are talkingabout how latin people there's
they are always ready to checkif someone is coming to
pickpocket or something, so likewe are wired that every two
minutes behind you.
Like like you go to the Metro,check your pockets every time,

(15:28):
every time.
And I remember one guy comefrom Belgium.
He said no, but it's easy, youjust put your cell phone in your
front pocket and you are safe.
And I say, I see your vision,but like the public
transportation in Brazil it's sofull that you don't have time
to keep your hand on the pocket.

(15:50):
You have to grab something andthat's the perfect chance for
someone to grab your cell phoneor your money or something.
So, yeah, part of being here isto feel that relief.
Like you know, I don't need tobe that worried so much.

Gurasis (16:11):
Yeah, no, it's funny.
You tell about this example oflooking over your shoulder if
somebody's coming or not,because we all have, like,
certain things.
I feel like they are instilledin us and now they are part of
us.
No matter which part of theworld you go to, you always look
around or you always behave acertain way, which has been
happening in your country so Itotally understand.

Rafael (16:31):
Yeah, yeah, even though it's a like, it's a life skill,
but it but it took some of a lotof energy from your brain, like
I should not worry about thatat least it's not in this level.

Gurasis (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, okay, but let's just talk about your life
inside the house.
Also, tell us a little bitabout your family dynamics, and
I was like just growing upwithin the family, or was it
like a certain pressure to growup?
Oh, I think you were telling meabout it, that you had to
follow like a certain pathgrowing up.

Rafael (17:00):
Tell us about the family dynamics as well yeah, it was
very nice, like the first part,from like childhood to around 11
years old was very nice, eventhough we were poor.
My father and my mother madethe best possible choice for us
to have a different life and Iremember like we had always good

(17:23):
gifts on Christmas time, goodcelebrations.
I had two sisters I am like themiddle one so it was very nice.
But we have a shift in our life.
My father works in a publiccompany, like a train company in

(17:46):
Sao Paulo, and he decided oneday that okay, we are living in
a dangerous place.
We should move out to anothercity from more the countryside
and I will quit my job.
He was a public employer and Iwill open and I will start my

(18:09):
business.
It was a good idea, but heforgot some I don't know if he
forgot or not one detail he hadsome problem with alcohol and
while he was working in acompany, he only had the chance
to drink a little bit every dayat night, so that kept him under

(18:34):
control.
But as soon as he started toopen a restaurant in this
countryside and now he hasaccess to drinks every time, it
was a wrong decision that endedup killing him in five years,

(18:54):
like when we decided to move andwe moved to another city.
One year later, he broke upwith my mother.
Three years later, I found himdead due to alcoholism.
So what's the?
So this comes for the secondpart.
So this first part was perfect,no problem.

(19:15):
And when it?

Gurasis (19:16):
comes to the second part.

Rafael (19:18):
Uh is totally a mess and took me like 10 years to at
least 10 years to recover fromthis situation, because we end
up losing everything losing thehouse, losing the furniture, uh
have to live uh in other places,in other people houses, couches
.
It was terrible.

(19:39):
So, yeah, it was nice until onepoint.
Then later it was not that nice.

Gurasis (19:44):
Okay, and during the tough time, did you have any
sort of go-to people that youhad, or like mentors, or were
there people you could discussyour feelings with?
Was it anybody at that point?

Rafael (20:01):
Not really.
And also I had to start workingwhen I was 11 because my
parents break up.
Uh, broke up, and what was yourfirst job?
I was a.
I work in a counter in a drugstore.
As funny as it is 11 years old.
I put like a white, uh, a gel,like this, and I sell uh, uh, uh

(20:23):
, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.
A lot of things From the day Istarted to work when I was 11, I

(20:45):
never stopped until today,except for the Malawi part in
Africa, but later we come tothat.
But it was a job anyway.
But I didn't have any mentors.
I was kind of lost.
So I tried to listen to some ofthese people to give me advice
that we will end up in thatstory that I told you that

(21:06):
follow, like by the book, therules, like you have to do this,
you need to do this.
But I was listening to peoplewho not that successful.
So you know it's not like.
Okay, this is okay, you aregiving me one advice, but let me
see your results first to seeif I want to follow your advice,
but at that age you listen toeveryone.

(21:29):
You listen to everyone.
Someone said you have to dothis, you have to do that, you
have to do this and this andthat.
And I was lucky to have somecore values given from my father
that allow me to not choosesome bad uh paths, but I could
end up uh in a very badsituation.

(21:49):
Some of my friends took thatthat path and end up uh get
murder uh.

Gurasis (21:57):
So I listen to anyone it's funny how casually it's so
funny how casually you said thepath to get murdered, so
casually you just said it.
Oh my god yeah, yeah it's.

Rafael (22:13):
It took long time for me to process this this is your
coping mechanism Exactly?
So I would say I had a lot ofmentors, even though they were
not that good, and some of themteach me what not to do instead

(22:34):
of what I should do.

Gurasis (22:36):
Yeah, okay, you did share a lot about Brazil.
You know, educated us on that,but is there something you think
people might not know aboutBrazil that you would like to
share?

Rafael (22:50):
I have you took.
It's a point that I'm stilltrying to figure out why.
Actually last week I had adiscussion with a friend a point
that I'm still trying to figureout why.
Actually last week I had adiscussion with a friend and he
said what about the immigrantsin Canada?

(23:11):
Maybe they got insulted, theracism, it's very hard.
And I said I don't get offendedwith that because I don't get
attached to, to brazil or to I.
I'm not proud to be brazilian.
That doesn't represent anythingfrom from me, like I'm not.

(23:32):
That guy said oh, brazil, it'sa terrible place to live.
I would say, yeah, it's aterrible place to live.
I would say, yeah, it's awonderful place.
I will not live here, never.
Yeah, I have no personalfeelings from Brazil.

Gurasis (23:46):
I would say no doubts there, I can imagine.

Rafael (23:50):
Yeah, I would say there's everything to be.
Of course, everyone will saythis about their own country,
but it has anything to be thebest place to live on earth.
But for some reason thecultural aspect and the way that
people were raised it makesvery difficult, because it's a

(24:13):
huge country a lot of beaches,rainforests, mountains, a lot of
space, good weather.
If you want to feel a littlebit cold, you go to the south.
If you want the best beach, yougo to north.
There's everything.
But when it comes to society ingeneral, it can be challenging,

(24:35):
except if you have a goodamount of money so you can close
in your bubble and you live avery good life.
But I guess it's the same inall of the countries.
So the only thing about Brazilthat we are very friendly, we
are very open, we like to hugand it's always partying, so we

(24:57):
celebrate the immigrants there.
So I would say it's a goodplace, it's a good country.
Just take care, I don't know,it's not that safe.

Gurasis (25:12):
And have you traveled a lot within the country?

Rafael (25:15):
Yeah, Funny that first time I traveled abroad in a lot
within the country and now, yeah, uh, funny that first time I
travel abroad a lot of, in a lotof different countries.
Then I realized, okay, I shouldtravel inside also because I
need to and not to know moreabout my country.
Not that much I travel todifferent states from a little
bit, from south and to the north, uh, but definitely I I have

(25:40):
traveled to more countries thanI travel within my country.
It's sad, I should not be thatway but end up being that way
yeah, no, it's sort of the samefor me also.

Gurasis (25:53):
I really haven't traveled enough within my own
country.
The funny thing is that I havemet a lot of people from my own
country, like from the south,but I come from the extreme
north and, coming from, you know, there I haven't really been
able to expose to differentcultures other than mine.
You know, I did meet few peoplewhen I went to Mumbai, like
once but again, I haven'ttraveled to the south, but then

(26:15):
I meet people from there andthen I learn so much about their
cultures and even about thelanguages.

Rafael (26:21):
Also, what I understood is that in India you have
different languages, right?
Oh my God.

Gurasis (26:26):
We have Rafael like around 24 official languages Wow
.

Rafael (26:29):
So it's possible for you to travel to one side to
another and do not understandanything they're saying Exactly
understand anything they'resaying exactly so.

Gurasis (26:42):
so the thing is, hindi is is like sort of the national
language, but it's actually not,because hindi is not widely
spoken in the south of india andit's the english which is the
common thread between the northand the south.
Basically, I would say that,okay, okay yeah wow.
So if I go the South, I will beable to communicate with people
in English, but not Hindi, orobviously not in my regional

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language, which is Punjabi.

Rafael (27:05):
That sounds so different .
So crazy to me, because I it'sthe same.
I imagined that I go to theNorth part of Brazil, south, and
not be able to communicate inPortuguese.

Gurasis (27:15):
There's different accents but we speak the same
language.

Rafael (27:20):
That's a whole different level of different culture,
like yeah absolutely it's almostlike a different country whole
together.

Gurasis (27:29):
Yeah, there's so much culture, so much like.
Even the food is so muchdifferent.
You know, in the south or not,you know, uh, even I would say
the upbringing of the people isvery, very different, because I
feel like you from the northhave a lot of business mindset
in them, but the people from thesouth do have this corporate
understanding.
Of course they have thatentrepreneurial bug in them as

(27:49):
well, but it's it's stillsimilar, but yet very different.

Rafael (27:54):
It's like you know, I'm very curious to travel to india
because for some period of mylife I met there's a guru from
india called uh bagwan.
Shri rajneesh is osho of courseyes and totally changed.

(28:15):
I I read one of his books calledbefore, I think in English it's
Until you Die.
Until you Die.
It was the first book that Iread and it blows my mind
completely and I end uppracticing some of his
meditations.
I took some of the courses.
I met him in a community inBrazil and I think he has a

(28:40):
place called Ashram.
This is a place, ashram, yes,so my bucket list is to go there
to visit this place.

Gurasis (28:52):
Okay, you definitely have to visit my side of the
country as well, which is thenorthwestern part.
There's a state called Punjab,if you know about, and you have
to go there.
The food is absolutely amazing.
You will love it.

Rafael (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, actually, I love Indian food.
It's very spicy, but I have afriend who came from India in
December.
Come on, I think.

Gurasis (29:14):
Brazilian people also eat spicy.
You guys also eat spicy food.

Rafael (29:18):
But not that spicy.
But the Indian spicy is a wholedifferent level.
We have some spicy, but nothingcompared to Indian food.
I had a friend who brought mesome candies from India.
There's even one candy that issilver leaf, Like yes, it's very
nice.

Gurasis (29:38):
I love that.

Rafael (29:39):
That's one of my favorites it's made from cashews
and I ain't imagine, wow, thiscould be silver in my mind, but
I didn't realize that it wasreally silver when I took it.
I said to him it looks likesilver.

Gurasis (29:51):
I said it is silver oh my god, it's very nice.
There are actually ones withthe gold also.

Rafael (29:56):
Yeah, he told me like okay, so it's my bucket list
also to eat like gold.

Gurasis (30:02):
Okay, whenever I'll go next, I'll bring for you.

Rafael (30:05):
Okay, okay, that will be very nice.

Gurasis (30:09):
All right.
So moving to your journey nowyou know.
Thank you for the questions.
I love this organicconversation as well.
So you know, definitely at theage of 25, you realize that,
okay, I have to make somechanges in my life.
And that's where you know, youdecided to leave everything and
go to Malawi and work there,right, but that did not happen

(30:31):
like instantly.
I was watching your TED Talk,which I didn't understand the
language, obviously, but I didmake the effort to read all the
subtitles and I was trying tojust understand the whole
journey of yours and there wereso many aspects of it.
I would like to touch upon itbecause it was like funny as
well and inspiring as well.
Starting from, you know, youwith your friend taking a

(30:54):
cardboard writing theirdonations for Africa and going
outside the streets andrestaurants and asking for money
.
Yeah, tell me about that.
What, what happened?

Rafael (31:03):
that was terrible because, uh, what, uh like the
seed for my, uh, that they endup me, me living in malawi was,
I have follow all the rules, asyou said.
Said so, I was listening toeveryone around me.
So, get a job, go study, go dothis graduation?

(31:26):
No, okay, you have to find ajob.
No, you have to open your owncompany.
Now do this, now learn this.
So for seven, eight, ten years Iwas just trying, working,
working hard, studying and thisand that, and when my first
company broke, uh, like bankrupt, I said, so what else I should

(31:50):
do?
Because I did this, this andthat and that, like following
like an equation, but the resultwas not what I was expected.
So, where I did something wrongand the main transformation
came from a book, there's afamous writer in Brazil called
Paulo Coelho and I read hisbiography and in his biography

(32:21):
it's a very interestingbiography because at one point
in the past he was like one ofthe most famous writers in the
world, like multi-millionaire,and the biographer I believe the
alchemist is also a biographer.
Exactly, he's the writer, likethe author of Alchemist and like
the book writer, the author of.
Alchemist.
And the book starts with theauthor saying I want to write

(32:43):
your biography.
And he said okay, I will make adeal with you.
I have been tortured during thedictatorship in Brazil, so if
you find the guy that torturedme and I can have a conversation
with him, I can give you accessto my life to write your

(33:06):
biography.
So the guy ended up followingtracking and found the guy
discussion, the paulo cuellogive him a key from like a like
a box, like a wooden box.
He had said okay, you have, youcan open this.
And when he opened was histires, since he was like six,

(33:28):
seven, from from six, seven to45, I don't remember, like
that's exactly age where hewrote all his ideas and stories
and experience and everything.
He said you are totally free totell everything of my life, no
censorship, you can do anything.
And the author said that when Iread some of these stories I

(33:52):
even said, okay, I will not moveon with this because it's too
personal.
But he kept going and the ideawas he was very crazy.
He tried different drugs,different trips, even different
religions.
Well, like crazy, crazy, crazyexperience and end up of him

(34:14):
being the most famous writer inthe world and he always finished
every day like he wrote histhoughts.
He finished I will be the mostfamous writer in the world.
So I realized, okay, what gavehim this opportunity was that he
was open to experience.
He was not following any rules,he was just going, going, of

(34:38):
course, very dangerous.
But then I realized I said,okay, let's do the opposite now,
if I'm going by the book,decide let's be open to
different experience and I willsee what we end up.
But I will not follow any ruleand I end up having different

(34:58):
experience with drugs, travel,religions and everything, almost
trying to copy this author.
And that plant the seed of megoing to Malawi.
So the way I found that I couldlive in Malawi was through
organization.
So I said, how can I travelaround the world without money?

(35:20):
The first thing that pops in mymind was okay, I will be a
volunteer.
So I went to the internet howto be a volunteer in Malawi and
pop up some organization?
I did in the United States.
So I even bothered to do aresearch like okay, they are
serious or not to do?
No, are you acceptingvolunteers?

(35:42):
Yes, we are accepting, butthere's a cost of five thousand
dollars to be part of theorganization and I said forget
it.
I was just thinking that only avolunteer can work, because I'm
a designer and I'm broke.
I was totally open and and theperson said you know what we are
needing?
We need a designer here to doour communication.

(36:03):
Are you open to like exchange?
You come here five monthsbefore your program starts, you
provide some graphic designerservice and you don't need to
pay.
And I said, okay, perfect.
So I borrowed money from afriend just to buy the flight
tickets and I arrived there inthe United States with only $50

(36:26):
in my pocket and I remember theysaid from the airport to the
school, the ticket will be $45.
So I had only $5 to stay with mebecause I was like okay, open,
now this.
So after I arrived there then Irealized I said, oh no, for you
to go to africa, a part ofpaying that's five thousand.

(36:48):
You need to raise donations topay for your expenses, and the
way you do this is asking moneyon the streets yeah and I.

Gurasis (36:56):
And I said oh my God.

Rafael (36:59):
And we start as a group, like every three months there's
a different group and it was avery hard situation because it's
a pyramid scam, you know, likeyou, are attracting immigrants.
They have to raise money, butit's totally a mess.

(37:20):
Actually, I later discovered itwas a cult.
You know a cult is.
That place was a cult, totallycrazy.
But we need another chapterjust for me to tell you the
steps that the cult do for youto fall, to fall in the story.
And I always, when I saw thesedocumentaries of people saying I

(37:42):
was partying, of a cult for 10years, I could not escape.
I always think, okay, that'sbullshit, you want to live, you
just live.
Exactly, it's not like this.
So they kept me my mind there.
So, anyways, it's not a story.
So in the beginning I went tothe streets with a board
donations to African this andthat and people, can you ask

(38:04):
donation?
You ask, you ask.
It was very hard and I startedto question myself like, okay, I
had a hard time in Brazil, butat least I was a teacher in that
moment in one university, so atleast I could give some classes
and I don't need to ask moneyon the streets.
And now I'm here asking moneyon the streets and eating at

(38:26):
McDonald's.
But I met this guy, thisColombian friend called Setulio,
and one day I saw him playingguitar and I had an idea and I
said to him what?
What if, instead of askingmoney in the streets, we play
music on bars and ask fordonations?

(38:46):
And he and he said, but you canplay?
And I said, of course I canplay, I'm from Brazil, the
rhythm is on my, my blood, butit's totally bullshit.
I never played anything you know, I also came across this
photograph on the streets yeah,for the audio listeners please

(39:09):
check the youtube yeah, and, andyou know, this picture was on
my ted talk it was yeah, that'swhen I got it and it's like that
picture is the first day I'masking money on the streets.
And this friend, like two hourslater, uh, he came then to check
on me like how is theexperience going?
And he, while he wasapproaching, that was my face

(39:33):
and what I'm like, that'sexactly like okay, this was the
feeling that I was in thatmoment.
From that moment on, I decidedto have the the plane idea.
So we started to like found, wefound the plane for africa,
just out of the necessity, likeI don't want to be in the street
, sex for money.
I would do anything to havesome money, but I would not ask.

(39:55):
And he said, okay, I played,you like going the percussions,
and we asked for some donations.
And we did that.
We like playing for africa wasthe same, was the first thing
that popped in our minds.

Gurasis (40:08):
We create a yeah, that's so funny like no other
name.

Rafael (40:12):
Nothing, just playing for africa is the most basic
english and at that time also, Iwas learning english.
So what we are doing, we areplaying to go to Africa.
Okay, playing for Africa, andthat's it.
And it was a good strategybecause we could play and we
post on.
There's the playing for Africa.
Page was still on.

Gurasis (40:31):
Facebook yeah, I found this from there as well, exactly
, exactly.

Rafael (40:35):
So there you can see every gag, we have every show
and we call like this and Iremember one day we finished, uh
, one of our presentations likefive minutes.
Yeah, there's like it's, that'sme as a designer trying to to
do something like like, uh, okay, more creative.
So I took one picture from thisside, I took a picture from the

(40:57):
other side for my friend say,okay now we have a logo.

Gurasis (40:59):
You look so serious in it.
Exactly.

Rafael (41:02):
But I remember we finished one of our concerts and
one guy came and said, ohthat's very nice what you're
doing, let me help you.
And he signed a check for, Ithink, $450 or something like
this.
And I, oh my God, so thatreally can work.
People, even though I wasinside me, I was feeling very

(41:28):
bad Because this friend of minehe was very like he's a
professional musician, so heplays a lot, he sings very well,
and I was like the imposterthere, like okay, like like
percussion and tip, tip, tip,tip, but like I feel bad for the
audience, even though it wasnot that bad, like, okay, what
I'm doing here, but end up likewe reached the goal.

(41:50):
After six months we reached thegoal and we pay our expenses to
go to Malawi and, on theory,that money should support the
projects there.
But when we arrived there, it'stotally a lie.
Nothing works, it's just abunch of photos, reports,

(42:11):
numbers.
But when you go really to thefields, when you go to visit the
families and the project, it'sjust a story.
It's just a story, it's just astory.
And you call the organization,you ask for the money and they
say no, actually the money isspread for all the Africa for
all the projects, it's notreally for you so it's not that

(42:32):
clear.
So we end up there, have tolive there for six months and no
money, no project, and that'sit.
So it was in that time that wemet Tony.
That is a community leaderthere.
There's a good friend stilltoday and he said if you want to
do something here, it had to beby your own terms.

(42:55):
Don't expect the organizationto expect anything.
And if you want, I can help youmake like the connection
between you and the communityand let's see what they need is
this the guy you calledsuperhero in the ted talk?
this is the other one and alsothat that story it's very good

(43:15):
because, uh, there I went tovisit a small school there and
there was a blind teacher forthe kids.
He was blind but he did like abasic English sentence and I
call him superhero because, eventhough he cannot see on the

(43:36):
moment, he could see the futureof the kids, like trying to
improve and trying to give someeducation.
And he had no like a formalsalary, like the families around
who gets a little bit, and hewas able to survive with that.
So imagine one guy, blind, inMalawi, living from donations

(44:00):
from the parents and teachingkids.
So for me, that's why thisexperience completely changed my
life.
For me that guy is a superhero,completely changed my life.
For me, that guy is superherobecause he cannot see now but he
can see the future.
That's why he keep pushing, wow, he keep pushing the, the
students, yes, yeah.
And from now, from that point,the plan for africa that starts

(44:23):
with like a band becomes asocial project yeah no plan Tell
us about that also, where youend up collecting the money for
the clinic, your children'sclinic.

Gurasis (44:35):
Tell us about that as well.

Rafael (44:37):
So it was very funny because we went to the community
to have just a meeting and saywe are here to help, how can we
support you?
And they said we need underfive clinic.
And they asked that and theylike, mostly like mothers, and
they wait us to have a responselike yes or not.

(44:59):
And also Tony was like thetranslator and like we had like
seconds to look at one anotherand said, okay, let's do it.
And I remember when we saidlet's do it, they started to
celebrate, they danced andeverything and there's some
videos of me dancing with themothers there.
After we finished, I said tohim okay, what?

Gurasis (45:22):
is.
I found this one there.

Rafael (45:24):
Yeah, yeah, this is like the result.
All the mothers, exactly likethis group.
And I said to my friend, whatis an under five clinic?
How can we build this and fromwhere we are going to get the
money?
I had no idea, but we alreadypromised and let's see.
And then we started to workwith what we had.

(45:44):
So he had his guitar microphone.
I had bought a camera in unitedstates.
So I say, okay, we can recordvideos.
I'm graphic designer, so atleast I know how to put some
things like visually okay yeahand let's start to to start to
tell stories.
So our idea was to record one ortwo videos saying here we are,

(46:07):
is this is what we need, pleasesupport us.
But we end up like, hey,there's, for example, this story
of this superhero, this teacher.
I said, okay, why we don't tellhis story in one episode?
What about this?
So we start recording somevideos.
It becomes like a web seriesand without any plan, like plane

(46:29):
, like, okay, we have this storyhere, let's record.
And and that time I was notthat good managing camera, I was
most graphic designer, but onediting side and microphone and
sound I was not.
I was learning.
So when you see the videos,it's a lot of shaking and it's
terrible.
When I look to the like, oh myGod, this is terrible, but it

(46:50):
was working.
We are telling different storiesand we get some engagement from
that stories and I end upsomeone telling the another one,
okay.
And one day we had idea, okay,we need to give something back
to people to be part of theproject, because I don't know

(47:11):
how can we connect.
And we had idea that the kidsthat we would use the clinic
could draw like a postcard.
Okay, and we will send by mailfor those who donate.
Oh, wow, regardless of theamount, we will send by mail.
So we went.

(47:31):
So our routine starts.
Ok, let's go to this smallschool while this blind teacher
was teaching and we give somepiece of papers and it was very
sad, because you realize sosmall details when we give, like
, the crayons to the kids.
They had no idea what to dowith that because the way of

(47:53):
learning was sitting andrepeating what the teacher said
exactly.
So they had no skills on how todraw.
And I remember asking for thetone in this community leader
why they're not drawing and hesaid it's the first time they
are getting some crayon or somepencil, so they don't know how

(48:15):
to do this Like this is mindblowing, like something so basic
that you never imagine in yourlife that that could happen.
So for some of the kids we needto like teach them that it's how
we do it and this and that.
So, uh, in one side there's a,there's a draw from the kid and

(48:37):
behind we said the other side,we said thank you for your
donation, this and that, and wesent by mail.
So our routine starts to go toschool, grab some postcards,
write the notes, send by mailand receive the donations.
And little by little we startto have the donations and after
six months we could finish andinaugurate the clinic.

(49:01):
So it was very nice.
I'm simplifying the process.

Gurasis (49:06):
It was not that simple, but it was that I was about to
say that I'm sure there's a lotof work that goes into it, a lot
of trial and error also, likewhat's working, what's not
working.
And speaking of trial and error, that reminds me again my
limited understanding of the TEDTalk through translation.
I was understanding that youposted one of the videos and you

(49:28):
got one of the comments on that, when people were criticizing
that you were asking for money,right, tell me about that.

Rafael (49:34):
Exactly.
It's a good point.
The thing is, our idea is torecord just one video and ask
for donations, but here's thecatch we could not put the name
of the organization because themoney will go to the
organization and they will notgive us the money.
So we need to put our personalbank accounts in brazil and in

(50:00):
colombia and we record a videoand it was like a kind of sad
video.
You know that video that youexpected I give me some money.
So the situation here is veryhard and this and that, and also
we had very limited internet.
So we met a guy that was aphotographer in other city, so

(50:21):
we travel by bus there, give himthe pen drive so he can upload
our content on YouTube.
So like it was very hard and Iremember that feeling that, okay
, we upload the video.
We have the first comment, andthe first comment was terrible
Like how these people trying toprofit from poverty, from misery
, asking money to personalaccounts and like destroying us

(50:44):
completely.

Gurasis (50:45):
Yeah.

Rafael (50:46):
And but from that point, that point, I realized, okay,
let's reverse this and let's tryto tell good stories, like
happy stories.
Let's try to share the culture,the local culture, and not like
.
The sad part was in that momentthat I asked the guy how can I
say happiness in the locallanguage.
He said Okondwa.

(51:07):
That's it.
Oh, okay, so that will be.
The subject of the second videowill be Okondwa.
So I would say that herethere's a lot of problems, but
there's one thing that is highlycontagious and it is called
Okondwa.
And from that moment on, thevideo, the, the like, the video
will shift and we'll be justsmiling, dancing, singing,

(51:32):
showing that the people, eventhough they have problems, they
are happy, very happy, and endup that Oconda becomes like the
title of everything and the nameof the clinic and the name of
the book and the name of the TEDTalk.

Gurasis (51:47):
That just me telling you now is totally crazy,
because we don't plan for thatthat's brilliant, you know, I
was also, uh, hearing you saythat there is a certain image
showed of the people in Africa,especially like from these lower
communities, that okay, there'ssadness, there's poverty and
all that, but there's alsoanother side of happiness and

(52:08):
laughter in it also, which is alittle bit different, right so
you saw that comparison rightthere, right yeah, and you feel
like at the beginning you feel alittle bit guilty, like, okay,
I will ask for, for donation andmoney, but I will show people
celebrating, so we have thisimage.

Rafael (52:25):
You should be very sad that kids on the street but we
subverse that.
Okay, no, let's show thereality, let's not create
anything that doesn't exist.
Let's show exactly what ishappening here, and that end up
being our strategy and end upbeing very successful, because
once we put some videos online,one local TV show on Colombia

(52:50):
asked us to give an interview.
So they send us questions andwe just record the answers there
.
Then later they edit and poston the TV and people start to
get to know more about theproject.
That someone from Google got toknow the project.

(53:11):
They invite us to talk with thegoogle employers like one year
later.
So things start really, reallyto grow and it was very nice
like and and also because wewere doing exactly what we did
before, without knowing.
Like Setúlio, my friend, hetook charge of the songs on the

(53:36):
audio, all the parts that heknows a lot, and I started to
create stories, draw the design,the reports.
I said, okay, even as a graphicdesigner and a storyteller, you
can work in social projects,Like there's no limit.
And we ended up like the two wehad we could finish the project

(53:58):
.

Gurasis (53:59):
Yeah, wow, rafael, absolutely incredible.
I love these stories so much totouch on and I actually admire
your work, you know, and alsothe courage to kind of like get
out of your mechanic life and dosomething different.
You know getting inspired fromthe author as well and then
doing something of your own.
This also sort of inspires mealso that, okay, I can also do

(54:22):
something like this.
I can at least try, you know, Idon't know how successful I can
be, but there's no harm in atleast try and contributing to
these communities.
So so kudos to you, you know,for doing that and continuing to
do that.
You are still working on many,uh, social projects, right?

Rafael (54:37):
yeah, actually I.
I continue then, because onceyou live there and you make
friends, you cannot just only goback to your country and
forgetting about that.
And also, for me, the hardestpart of living in Malawi was the
time to come back, because youstart to have this comfortable

(55:00):
life.
Even though in Brazil I thoughtI was poor, then I discovered
that I was not that poor poor,then I discovered that I was not
that poor.
Uh, you start to compare like,okay, I will buy a cell phone
now, but this costs I don't knowthree hundred dollars and with
this amount of money there Icould do this and this and that.
For you you live in like aspace that is very dangerous

(55:23):
because you don't live even notthere nor here, and you compare
the currencies and you feelguilty just because you go out
to buy a pizza or something andyou compare with the people
there.
So I managed to overcome thisand I keep working, keep trying
different projects.
So I tried a podcast.

(55:45):
There's a podcast calledOkondwa.

Gurasis (55:48):
Oh really.

Rafael (55:49):
Yeah, my main idea was okay, I will create a show where
people can donate freely foreach episode and with that I can
have the money to go there.
But to do a podcast alone, youknow how hard it is Me talking
to myself, I get zero donations.

(56:09):
Okay, okay, I don't have time tokeep doing this.
Then I try crowdfunding uh,that, actually that picture that
you show me, the girls, themothers and it was a
crowdfunding that I tried to doand I could, uh, raise any the
amount necessary.
So I keep trying, I keep trying.

(56:30):
Then one guy, one guy said thisfunny thing about life some
people comes to our life just tosay one phrase, one sentence
and go out that completelychange your point of view.
And the guy said to me you know, imagine the situation there's

(56:51):
a group of people in a hole onthe ground and you, your mission
, you are trying to get thesepeople out, but you're doing
that by jumping on the hole andtrying to push people out, and
you've been, and you end upbeing there alone.
So, instead of you jumpingthere, you need to be strong

(57:14):
here and lay your hand and pushthese people out.
So, in other words, fix yourincomes, fix your savings before
trying to save someone else.
That's it.
Okay.
And I'm not that.
I'm not a religious person, butI believe, like when you decide

(57:37):
to do something and you said I'mgoing to do something, the
universe, I don't know, startsto happen and I started to have
some very good clients.
I started to have more moneyand three years later I had
enough money to go back thereand to build the second clinic.
And now it's a clinic and aschool in the same place.

(58:00):
Oh, wow.
So I went there.
It was very nice.
So it was less stressfulbecause I didn't have to ask
money to no one, like, okay, I'mpaying for everything.
I sent money to Tony.
He managed the workers andeverything.
The government gave us the land.
It was like a reallypartnership and I went there

(58:21):
just for the last three weeks ofthe construction to have the
inauguration party and to see,uh, the clinic.
The second clinic is calledchikung butsu.
I also I always ask them togive the name and they said, uh,
chikung butsu.
And I say what that means issaid remember us, that's it,

(58:44):
that's perfect.
So now, chikung butsu, it's ayeah, it's a vaccination point
chosen by the government becausewe put solar panels, there's
electricity, there's a smallrefrigerator and so they can
give vaccines to the kids, sothey have local health
assistance here and a school onthis side, in the same place.

(59:05):
And besides that, there's aside story, tony, when we were
leaving Malawi for the firsttime.
I asked Tony, what is yourdream?
He said my dream is to studyand to try to get out of poverty
.
Actually, he works for thatorganization.

Gurasis (59:24):
Okay.

Rafael (59:26):
And the organization was the second biggest employer in
the country Only lose for thegovernment.
So it's a way to keep people inpoverty.
I remember he received at thattime $25 a month and I ran the
numbers with him and said I cansave $5 a month.

(59:47):
And when I went to check, likethe semester on university was
five hundred dollars.
It's not that much, but to himlike it's impossible.
So that is the kind of thingthat don't let me sleep at night
if I don't do anything.
Because Because, coming from ahard reality, a hard background,

(01:00:10):
I know how hard it is.
You want to change your story.
You have the mindset, you cando cold plunges, you can do this
and mindset.
But if you don't have any toolto give the step one, you're
done.
So I always picture myself asTony.
Okay, I wake up like verymotivated, I will change my life

(01:00:33):
.
Okay, so you can save $5 amonth.
It will take you 10 years foryou to be able to pay just one
semester.
So that thing like desperate melike okay's, that's hard,
that's my mission.
I need to give the basic tools.

(01:00:54):
So I found a friend thatsponsored the tony's education.
So tony finished the highschool, then they went to
college, they later a technicaland later he finished uh
university.
So for the next four, five, sixyears we keep paying him his
education.
He got a very good job.

(01:01:15):
But then here's the catch again, when COVID hits, the first
part of the first project thatis cut off by the government is
social aid projects.
So he worked for the UNICEF andlike, okay, now we don't have
any more money to fund it, cutthe program.

(01:01:38):
In a country, I think, lessthan 1% of the people get access
to university.
He holds a university degree,get access to university, he
holds a university degree.
And even with that he is likehe was eight months without a
job.
So I say so it's not a matterof I will study here and this,

(01:02:00):
and that it's more complex thanthat.
So that ended up creating thesecond project, that is, a farm.
So I said to him how will itcost for us to buy a piece of
land, enough for you to sharewith four different families and
from there you can grow foodfor yourself and sell the

(01:02:23):
surplus and from that we can tryto have a sustainable farm?
And we run the numbers.
What I did?
I paid for the whole project,but I asked from some investors
to lend money for the families,so my deal was okay.
We have these five families andI have some posts of these on

(01:02:46):
my Instagram.
So choose your family, choosethe amount of money that you
want to lend for this family fora year and they will take this
money.
They will buy seeds, fertilizer, anything they need, and after
one year they can pay you backWithout interest for now, but
you can have your money 100%back.

(01:03:07):
If one family fails to pay, thewhole group will pay you back,
and if the whole group fails, Iwill pay you back.
So there's two levels ofsecurity.
And I get some investors, mostlymy family and friends, um, and?
And now we?

(01:03:27):
It's one year and a half of thefarm and it's going well.
Still the numbers doesn't match.
Still we are in loss because Itook the money we invest.
I paid the money back for theinvestors, but the first year

(01:03:48):
was not that good.
So then we are still in red,but was enough for them to have
food, uh, to at least guarantee,like the, the food for the
families to learn.
And now we are going to the, tothe second year of the farm,
raising pigs, planting maize,rice, potatoes and they are

(01:04:13):
doing good.
My plan is to have more farmslike that that they end up, they
can have the food forthemselves and to sell and to
have some profit.
And besides that I'm sponsoringfour girls' educations.
I said to Tony we need tomultiply your leadership, so I

(01:04:37):
need you to choose four newTonys, but this time let's go
with girls, because here it'svery hard for women.
And he talked to teachers.
We found four girls and two ofthem are studying to be nurse
and I think the other onechanged to administration,

(01:04:59):
business administration orsomething.
And in this model I'm payingbecause there's no way they can
have an investor that can payback, afford it.
So my point is I'm trying, I'mjust trying, as long as this is
the kind of business that evenif it fails, it ends up doing

(01:05:19):
good because it's changing thelife of someone.

Gurasis (01:05:25):
You are not only trying to fail.
It's incredible.
You are doing much more thanthat and bravo to you for, you
know, for doing that.
Hats off.
I totally admire you.
Like I said, I read about yourjourney a little bit but just
listening from you, the workI've been doing, I'm so inspired
and I think my audience isgoing to love this story, love
this vision and the mission youare on.

(01:05:46):
And if any of our listeners youknow, I love this vision and
the mission you are on and ifany of our listeners would like
to contribute to this or justkind of join you in some way,
they can lend a helping hand toyou where they can reach out.

Rafael (01:05:56):
They can find me on my Instagram.
I think you can put on thedescription of the episode.
I'll put that.
Yeah, and the way sometimespeople write me like I want to
contribute how much and whatthey need, and I always tell
they are always needing someinput or something to pay for
this girl's education.
These girls need mentors.

(01:06:17):
So if you are able to and it'snot that costly A semester for
one of the girls I think it's$800, including transportation,
food and some basic materials.
So I was seeking some mentorsbecause they need to be held

(01:06:38):
accountable, also because hereis my grades, I'm doing good,
I'm paying attention to theclasses.
So there's some ways.
If you want to be a mentor, youcan pay from one of the girls'
educations.
Or if you don't have enoughmoney to pay everything, you can
just donate for one girl.
Or if you want to send somemoney to the farm they always

(01:06:59):
need some input.
They are trying to raisedifferent, to grow different
crops.
The way that I work.
I don't have, for now,organization Because of this
terrible experience that I havewith this other NGO.
I'm avoiding to have an NGO.

(01:07:21):
But some people said you shouldstart an organization because
it's the way that people cantransfer money, invest in this.
Let's see in the future, butfor now I don't have it and if
you want to contribute, justwrite me.
And I managed to send thedonation to Tony and there's
always an update there on myInstagram photos what they are

(01:07:42):
doing the families, and it'svery nice.
I feel like those who can havethe tools and the resources to
do something and don't doanything.
I think that's sad.
You know that's sad.
I feel like, okay, you aresitting down in a pile of gold

(01:08:05):
and you could just a smallamount change generations,
generations a little bit goes along way, exactly.
You can change generations justsponsoring one girl's education.
And you, if you not do that, Ifeel I feel sad, because I don't
know.
For my personal point of view,I say okay, so why are you

(01:08:28):
having this money?
So why are you getting thesetools just for yourself?

Gurasis (01:08:32):
I think it's just too small yeah, okay, I'll put the
links to contact rafael in theshow notes for our listeners.

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