Bag Snot, Bangladesh & Black Watermelon | Brokenwood | "The Dark Angel" | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP232 - Mystery Maniacs

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Mark (00:00):
Are you gonna use this converter for? To kill people.
Hey, maniacs. Hey, maniacs.Mystery maniacs is a comedy

(00:23):
recap podcast dedicated tomystery TV.
Each week, we dig into anepisode of the show including
the murders, the mayhem, theloonies. This episode has some
loonies. And everything else welove. This week, Broken Wood
Mysteries, The Dark Angels.

Sarah (00:40):
Dun dun dun.

Mark (00:41):
Season five episode four.

Sarah (00:45):
It's a spooky one.

Mark (00:46):
It is.

Sarah (00:47):
And then it just gets kinda crazy.

Mark (00:49):
I'm Mark.

Sarah (00:50):
I'm Sarah.

Mark (00:51):
Well, okay. First of all,

Sarah (00:52):
winter Mark has to apologize.

Mark (00:54):
Well, no. Winter's over. Let's cover this first.

Sarah (00:56):
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Mark (00:57):
Winter is over and spring has begun and we could be cut
off at any moment.

Sarah (01:02):
There's the big bada boom outside. We've had it for about
twelve hours. The loudestthunder I can remember in a
while. If you hear that.

Mark (01:10):
If you hear thunder, that's what's going on.

Sarah (01:12):
It's not sound effects for a spooky episode.

Mark (01:14):
Also, if we suddenly disappear and come back and
we're slightly different, it'sbecause

Sarah (01:18):
You didn't edit it well enough?

Mark (01:20):
Time is fast.

Sarah (01:24):
Now on to your apologies.

Mark (01:26):
Oh my gosh. I screwed up so badly. Last week, a young
Mark suggested that Broken Woodand A Remarkable Place to Die
took place near each other. Now,relatively to the universe, they
do.

Sarah (01:44):
Even to the globe they do.

Mark (01:45):
Yes. They do take place in the same country.

Sarah (01:47):
But in the realm of New Zealand they do not.

Mark (01:50):
Unfortunately I was roughly 630 miles or 11 or a
thousand kilometers wrong.

Sarah (01:57):
But you were gently informed Yes. Yes, I was. By
some useful listeners Yes. Whocorrected you.

Mark (02:03):
And there are many more mountains in the South, which is
why there are mountains.

Sarah (02:08):
They really couldn't be further apart and still both be
in New Zealand really.

Mark (02:12):
You you have to fly or boat to get between them.

Sarah (02:19):
Did do some things right last episode Yes.

Mark (02:22):
Yes. So apparently some of you noticed. First of all, we
got a very nice comment fromMoista on Reddit that this
episode was hilarious,particularly the Shih Tzu and
kitten fighting and of coursethe Rocky Horror style Badger's
Drift stage show.

Sarah (02:41):
I'm still giggling about that.

Mark (02:43):
Which caused both of us to almost lose it.

Sarah (02:48):
I almost peed my pants.

Mark (02:49):
Yeah. And then for those of you who listened to the bits
at the end of the show, I did adramatic reading of Yellow's
evil woman.

Sarah (02:59):
Which I thought was quite good. Yes. We also posted a
rather embarrassing photo of meand one of my children eating
Frodo dogs that we made. Yes.They were in fact Korean corn
dogs.

Mark (03:10):
There were several people concerned that I was eating the
Frodo dogs and would get sickagain.

Sarah (03:17):
They were good. They were a lot of work, Korean corn dogs.
You have to make this yeastybatter that's got to rise and
then you've got the Hot dogsdon't want anything to stick to
them and you've got to deep frythem and I can't say they were
worth it.

Mark (03:32):
Well, we posted pictures, but wow, I did not partake.

Sarah (03:36):
We also got a nice message on was it Blue Sky?

Mark (03:40):
Yeah. Very We got some very special news from Fiona
Dolman, was

Sarah (03:47):
Who is Sarah Barnaby in Midsummer.

Mark (03:49):
For anyone that does Midsummer Murders, I just
received the first script of thenew series, season twenty five.
Filming starts in a week. Woohoo. And that was the March 13.

Sarah (04:02):
Are you surprised she only gets the script a week in
advance?

Mark (04:05):
No. I don't. I think they probably are are on a pretty
tight ship.

Sarah (04:09):
Yeah.

Mark (04:10):
Now I saw that on on the morning and responded to that
which was, oh, you know we doMidsummer. Mhmm. And then I
thought that was it. Yeah. LikeI thought, whatever.
You know? And then I refreshedmy screen, and I had to go get
Sarah. Because she replied

Sarah (04:32):
With a gif. Of Hulk Hogan.

Mark (04:35):
Going, what's up maniacs?

Sarah (04:42):
Mark was very excited.

Mark (04:45):
We both kind of squeed

Sarah (04:47):
a bit. Yeah. We're like, Bjorn and Dohlman knows we
exist.

Mark (04:49):
I think that's proof she's a maniac. Now, we know from our
talk with Annette Badland thatthere are people on the show and
work on the show that are awareof us. Uh-huh. I wouldn't say
they're probably maniacs.

Sarah (05:05):
But they know we exist.

Mark (05:06):
But they know we exist. Now, I'm wondering, Fiona. Are
you listening? I responded, ohyou know, getting ready for the
new season, making podcasts,gifing with cast members, the
usual. We'd love to have you onthe show to promote the new
season and then I put a littlegif of a big fat guy squeaking.

(05:30):
And she responded, give me acouple of weeks or so to land
and I'll be in touch and thenshe followed us.

Sarah (05:40):
Hey! So

Mark (05:41):
I have I have hopes that young Fiona Dohlman gets in
contact with us and we do somepromotional work for the new
season.

Sarah (05:50):
That would be awesome.

Mark (05:51):
That would be awesome. But I'm going to say to you, this
was the second best response tothis post.

Sarah (05:57):
Okay.

Mark (05:58):
So, along with this we had Nocturnal Druid, a long time
listener to the show.

Sarah (06:06):
What's up Druid?

Mark (06:06):
Who actually lives in The US. Mhmm. And he posted, oh
that's great news with thelittle Troy smile. And then
Fiona Dolman responded with,it's been eighty four years, the
Titanic GIF. Mhmm.
Right? And Nocturnal Druid said,it can feel that way sometimes
but it's always worth waitingon. Always gentlemanly, always

(06:31):
right on on the mark. And thenFiona. Fiona is a maniac.
Are you ready for this?

Sarah (06:38):
Okay.

Mark (06:39):
This is how Fiona responds to Nocturnal Druid. Dear caller,
we thank you for your patience.Please continue to hold and
polite and amusing murderingwill continue as soon as
possible. In the meantime, foryour own safety, may we suggest
you avoid fruit pickling,graveyard visits, walking alone,

(07:01):
clowns, drag artists and cheese.

Sarah (07:04):
That's great.

Mark (07:11):
That is utterly fantastic.

Sarah (07:12):
That's a lot to type out with your thumbs. Yeah. She's
awesome. That's so fun.

Mark (07:18):
She's a maniac. I know it.

Sarah (07:20):
She's a maniac. Even if she's not one of our maniacs,
she's a maniac.

Mark (07:24):
Yep, she's a maniac. Sarah hadn't heard that post.

Sarah (07:29):
No. I hadn't. Didn't know. I didn't see that one.

Mark (07:31):
I saved that for her.

Sarah (07:32):
So So speaking of Fiona's, Dark Angel has a Fiona
in it. Let's dive in.

Mark (07:38):
Yes. This episode, 11/18/2018, Mark Beasley directs
it and Tim Baum writes it. Thisis right down the middle, the
team. Mhmm. And I think they doa great job in this episode.

Sarah (07:52):
I do too. It starts out so creepy and then it gets funny
and

Mark (07:56):
I think I think it has all those elements and the offshoot
of everything is you learn thatthe medical professionals are
horrible individuals. The onesin this episode are. Yes. Yeah.
And that the people who you feelthe most sympathy for are the
people who

Sarah (08:15):
Are vulnerable.

Mark (08:17):
To be not sympathetic at the beginning.

Sarah (08:19):
Yeah. Absolutely. So we start out with a couple of
teenagers breaking into brokeBrokenwood Downs, which is an
abandoned psych hospital. Haveyou ever broken into an
abandoned building?

Mark (08:29):
Yes.

Sarah (08:31):
I didn't know that.

Mark (08:32):
Oh, you didn't know that?

Sarah (08:34):
No. What did you break into? And then I'll tell you
what I broke into.

Mark (08:40):
This this comes from the I can't believe we were alive
file.

Sarah (08:45):
That we survived this file?

Mark (08:47):
So in the town I grew up in, in Carlton Place, it's not
like this anymore, but there wasan old mill right downtown Mhmm.
That was abandoned. Peopleweren't doing anything with it.
But kids broke in and did allsorts of things. You know, drink
and canoodle and all that stuff.

Sarah (09:08):
So are you a teenager?

Mark (09:10):
Yeah. Okay. So we LARPed in this environment.

Sarah (09:15):
You you played live action Dungeons and Dragons in
an abandoned mill?

Mark (09:19):
Yes.

Sarah (09:22):
Okay. Well, at least you were doing something productive,
I guess.

Mark (09:25):
The high point being in the middle of the night, the
three of us climbing down theelevator shaft in the dark.

Sarah (09:37):
And you didn't die or get tetanus.

Mark (09:39):
We did not die.

Sarah (09:43):
Wow.

Mark (09:45):
Yeah. I can remember walking along on the Second
Floor and one of my friends wason the floor above and his leg
went through this floor and washanging from the ceiling.

Sarah (09:59):
And you didn't think we should get out of here?

Mark (10:01):
No. That was before going down the elevator.

Sarah (10:05):
Well, when I

Mark (10:06):
was Well, we did this a number of times.

Sarah (10:08):
I was like nine or 10 and me and a few friends broke into
an abandoned hospital that wasnear where I grew up because we
were sure there was a morgue inthere. And like there would
still be bodies in the morgue. Iguess. We we were looking for
spooky stuff because I'vechanged so much

Mark (10:23):
Yeah. Since

Sarah (10:24):
then. So they they break in and of course they find a
body because this is brokenwood. Yes. You gotta find a
body. Meantime, at the toad andfrog or toad and lion, I get it
all confused.

Mark (10:39):
It's the toad and lion.

Sarah (10:41):
Toad and lion?

Mark (10:42):
I think so.

Sarah (10:42):
The other one was the frog and tiger.

Mark (10:44):
Yes.

Sarah (10:44):
Okay. There's a amateur well, it's not amateur. It's
comedy night. They've actuallypaid

Mark (10:50):
It's comedy night.

Sarah (10:51):
Gerrymanders to come and perform. Wow. And it's hard to
be this bad at being funny.

Mark (10:58):
Who I feel sorry for is the bearded guy who's there two
nights in a row.

Sarah (11:02):
Yeah. Well, he does it to himself. He's paying a $10 cover
to get in and see this guytwice. He's a glutton for
punishment.

Mark (11:09):
Ray got taken by this guy.

Sarah (11:11):
I didn't under understand one of his jokes. Okay. So Jerry
says Achilles had problems withhis calves, which I thought he
was talking about his Achillestendon, like Yeah. His heel is
his weak point. Right?
But he does like little horns onhis head like he's talking about
a cow.

Mark (11:28):
I think he thinks that that's what he had, maybe.

Sarah (11:31):
But he talks about his armor having a

Mark (11:33):
Jerry is not good at telling jokes, so to try and to
decipher them is a problem.Yeah. Woah. Well Frodo's there.

Sarah (11:43):
Mhmm.

Mark (11:43):
Gina's there.

Sarah (11:44):
Mhmm.

Mark (11:45):
And our other players arrive.

Sarah (11:48):
Well, and I think it's the second night when we see a
clip. Missus Marlow is there.

Mark (11:53):
Missus Marlow's on the second night.

Sarah (11:55):
But, yeah, Buchanan and Hopalong Cassidy and Chris
Kramer, who we've seen before,who looks a bit like the sketch
of the Unabomber when he's gothis sunglasses on.

Mark (12:08):
Do you

Sarah (12:08):
notice that?

Mark (12:09):
He does.

Sarah (12:10):
They all show up and they're like, this is funny. And
then you find out later that,well, they've just we spoil
things. If you don't know, it'sa spoiler podcast. They've just
come from the murder scene. Sothey're like, this is our alibi.

Mark (12:27):
I want I want fifteen minutes of that car ride with
the four of them in the car.

Sarah (12:34):
Yeah. We see a little bit of it. Jacob Deschler, the
former doctor in charge of thishospital has been killed with an
ECT machine.

Mark (12:42):
Did you notice the glowing eyes in the window? No. Yeah.
And they're they're there whenthe cops show up, but no one
says anything. So there are twolittle red dots in the window on
the right hand side of the backwall.

Sarah (12:59):
It's gotta be a reflection

Mark (13:00):
or a piece of equipment or something. Some piece of
equipment. But I was like, theglowing eye guy did So

Sarah (13:08):
we find out pretty quickly that Jacob Dessler was a
horrible person. Like, he hewasn't he wasn't actually trying
to help anybody. He was atorturer. And then I thought and
maybe I'm just listening to toomany World War two podcasts, but
his name is Jacob with a k Yes.Deschler.
It's a very German name.

Mark (13:25):
I think they're implying that.

Sarah (13:27):
And I wonder if they're trying to throw back to a little
bit.

Mark (13:30):
I think they are.

Sarah (13:31):
He's done seven years in prison

Mark (13:33):
Yep.

Sarah (13:33):
For torture.

Mark (13:34):
Yeah. My first thought was you only get seven years for
torture?

Sarah (13:38):
You should get more than that. Like there should be

Mark (13:42):
There's some people.

Sarah (13:43):
There's like 10 patients

Mark (13:45):
there

Sarah (13:45):
I can

Mark (13:45):
do seven at least.

Sarah (13:46):
And he should get seven for each of them at least.

Mark (13:50):
I wanna talk a little bit about the set design here
because it is really good.

Sarah (13:55):
Mhmm.

Mark (13:56):
So you have the machine, the ECT machine.

Sarah (13:59):
Mhmm.

Mark (14:00):
You have Dreschler barefoot Mhmm. On the gurney,
which is just great. You have achair sitting beside him at the
machine. All of that straightout of horror. Oh, yeah.
Then juxtaposed to it. Balloons,party balloons. Party balloons

(14:20):
and a I'm sorry banner. Yes.

Sarah (14:25):
It's a party. Everybody's received an invitation.

Mark (14:28):
So now what we must understand is that the killer
Mhmm. Went there early, did someparty setup.

Sarah (14:38):
Bought a tank of helium to inflate the balloons or Yeah.
Bought went to a party store andgot a bunch of balloons.

Mark (14:43):
Assembled the sign because those signs come as a k. Right.

Sarah (14:47):
So you can spell out what you want.

Mark (14:48):
But but they don't usually say I'm sorry.

Sarah (14:51):
No. They usually say happy birthday George or
something.

Mark (14:54):
Then got dressed up in their dark angel gear. Yes.
Waited for Dressler to show upand whammed him in the back of
the head.

Sarah (15:03):
After making invitations for everybody printed on rice
paper that they had to eat assoon as they opened it.

Mark (15:09):
Or deconstruct.

Sarah (15:11):
Yes. Jerry deconstructs his. It's a lot of trouble to go
to.

Mark (15:15):
That is an enormous amount of anger. Now I realize why she
has the anger.

Sarah (15:21):
Mhmm.

Mark (15:22):
But it it's it's well, she stays there for six. She creates
a whole persona.

Sarah (15:29):
Yeah. A whole career.

Mark (15:30):
She is Looney McTooey.

Sarah (15:32):
And I actually think that Amy is who we're talking about.
I actually think that she caresabout her patients. I think she
probably is a good therapist.

Mark (15:40):
I think she thought it was bad, and then these people made
her realize how much worse itwas. Yeah. And that he needed to
die with an I'm sorry sign andballoons.

Sarah (15:50):
Yes. And then his wife well, his current wife. His ex
wife thinks she's a mousebecause among his acts of evil,
he gaslit her into being insane.

Mark (16:05):
So gaslighting, a term that Breen is unfamiliar with.

Sarah (16:09):
Yeah. When gaslighting comes up, Breen's like, he lit
her on fire?

Mark (16:13):
No. No. But now most people know what gaslighting
from. They might not know whereit's from. Yeah.
It's from a movie calledGaslighting.

Sarah (16:21):
Right. But he drove her insane. Yeah. And I think a
psychiatrist who is evilprobably could do that to
somebody.

Mark (16:31):
I would agree

Sarah (16:32):
with that. Especially somebody who trusted them. So
everyone arrives.

Mark (16:35):
There's no power. There's no power.

Sarah (16:37):
That's the big mystery is how was the ECT machine powered?
Yes. And powered enough toovercome its limitations and
kill.

Mark (16:46):
Because it normally doesn't kill people.

Sarah (16:48):
No. It can absolutely fry you and break your brain.

Mark (16:52):
Well, Amy went to the Jared and Kahu Electrical
Society School for electricalengineering.

Sarah (17:00):
I wanna watch the Kahu and Jared electric electricity
show. Like Yep. They're sothey're like, q for The

Mark (17:09):
best part of that is they go to Mike's house to do it.

Sarah (17:12):
Yeah. Of course they do.

Mark (17:12):
They must have looked at each other and went, we're not
gonna do it our No.

Sarah (17:17):
No. There's a great series of jokes when the
detectives are back at this no.They're not even back at the
station. They're on the crimescene. Yep.
And Breen says that teens oftenbreak in there to canoodle.

Mark (17:29):
And they're making fun of what Mike talks like. His old
style.

Sarah (17:35):
I say canoodle.

Mark (17:36):
I say canoodle.

Sarah (17:37):
I mean not frequently, but I would. I certainly say
heebie jeebies.

Mark (17:41):
Yeah, has a bunch of different Yeah.

Sarah (17:43):
Do you know where canoodle comes from?

Mark (17:45):
Well, I think the Yiddish origin's probably the most
likely.

Sarah (17:50):
So there's three options if you want to know the
etymology of canoodle.

Mark (17:54):
Yes.

Sarah (17:54):
It's either caress plus noodle Yes. Which makes no sense
to me whatsoever. Or it's fromthe German word for cuddling,
which is knoodle Yes. Which Ithink is kinda likely. But it's
not my favorite.

Mark (18:09):
Okay.

Sarah (18:10):
My favorite is that maybe it comes from when Victorian
daters would sneak away fromtheir chaperones by jumping on a
canoe, which must have been socommon that they would come up
with slang for

Mark (18:25):
it. Wow.

Sarah (18:26):
Let's canoodle. Alright. Jump in. Don't think

Mark (18:29):
that's probable, but I agree. That's the best answer.

Sarah (18:32):
I like it the best.

Mark (18:34):
And they also say heebie jeebies, which is from a Billy
DeBec comic.

Sarah (18:39):
Deschler for an an evil torturing masochist has a
beautiful house. Evil torturingmasochist criminal

Mark (18:52):
Yes.

Sarah (18:52):
Convict. Yes. Has a beautiful house that I think is
called Toad Hall. The front doordefinitely has a sign on it, a
nice brass sign. It says toadsomething.
Toad something. It's gotta beHall.

Mark (19:06):
It's gotta be Toad Hall.

Sarah (19:07):
Unless it says toad crazy ass evil guy's house. They
wouldn't show that part though,of course. And so Fiona is his
second wife, who I assume shewas a nurse at the clinic and
that's how they met.

Mark (19:22):
Yes.

Sarah (19:23):
Because she like hero worships him.

Mark (19:25):
Yes. It's totally workplace romance. I'm gonna
gaslight my wife and make herinsane and torture her.

Sarah (19:33):
Because Fiona saw that happen.

Mark (19:35):
You know that plot.

Sarah (19:36):
Fiona saw that happen and thought, he's so amazing. He's a
genius. So she was predisposedto evil is what I'm saying.

Mark (19:43):
Yeah. I think so.

Sarah (19:44):
So she she was evil coming into the deal, I think.

Mark (19:47):
She kinda has an evil nurse ratchet thing going on.

Sarah (19:51):
Yeah.

Mark (19:52):
And and then like, okay. I Sarah knows, I work for really
nice people because they workwith her too. But if my boss was
to ask me to dress up like adark angel and

Sarah (20:04):
To scare people.

Mark (20:05):
To scare people

Sarah (20:06):
Who are vulnerable. I'd likely do Question.

Mark (20:09):
Part of it.

Sarah (20:09):
Something. You would? Maybe. These junior web
developers are not doing theirjobs well enough, Mark. Put on
this costume and scare thebajeebies out of them, okay?

Mark (20:21):
Bajeebies. So it looks like there's been an ambush to
execute him.

Sarah (20:26):
I'm I'm kind of curious of if you've just watched this
episode for the first time or ifyou can remember what you were
thinking the first time youwatched it, if you suspected Amy
from the beginning because Iknow that I did.

Mark (20:40):
She comes

Sarah (20:40):
Because she's too good, she's too nice, she's too
helpful.

Mark (20:46):
And too into Mike.

Sarah (20:47):
And then she wants to get into Mike's head. Yeah. And as
soon as she does that, as soonas she's like offering, well
anytime you want to talk to me,I don't think real therapists do
that. They might say, I'm kindof sensing that maybe you've got
some history with this. Maybeyou should talk to somebody
about that.
Not talk to me about that.

Mark (21:08):
And they would also, like, I would say real therapists are
probably very good atdeflecting.

Sarah (21:13):
Mhmm.

Mark (21:14):
Would They

Sarah (21:15):
have to compartmentalize that Yeah.

Mark (21:17):
So, but I don't care about any of that because I'm
completely obsessed with twominutes of the show where
they're standing in the cop shopand there's this sign behind
them.

Sarah (21:28):
Of course you are. Because you're a maniac.

Mark (21:32):
So as we recall two episodes ago, the sign said that
you should return all cups. Washand return

Sarah (21:40):
your Wash and or whoever it was.

Mark (21:42):
Nigel. Nigel. So I noticed right away that there was
something else on the sign. Iwas like, okay.

Sarah (21:48):
The sign has changed.

Mark (21:49):
The sign has changed. What did it say this time? It says,
charity poker game this Friday,03:30, toad and lion. Let's help
those kids.

Sarah (22:00):
Those kids.

Mark (22:02):
But this is exactly the same time as the charity

Sarah (22:05):
Cricket game? Cricket game. But that's not for kids.
But they're You're supposed togo to the cricket game and then
go play poker. It's a charityday.

Mark (22:15):
The other surprising thing about that scene

Sarah (22:17):
Only if they get Jerry off the stage.

Mark (22:19):
Yes. The only other surprising thing about that
particular scene was Breen says,I have a team working on

Sarah (22:26):
this. I have a team tracking down all the mobile
generators for hire. I loveinvisible teams, especially on a
small police force where there'slike a dozen officers.

Mark (22:37):
I'm like Breen as a team?

Sarah (22:40):
I love that in a show like this where they just go get
uniforms on that. I wish I coulddo that in my life, where I
could just say, I'm gonna putsome uniforms on that. I've got
a team looking into that. Andthen later, somebody would just
hand me a piece of paper withthe answer to a question on it.
That's what I want.

Mark (22:57):
So Sarah, I have a question for you. How many other
episodes did I look at and lookfor the sign? I'm gonna To see
if it changed

Sarah (23:05):
I'm gonna guess at least 10.

Mark (23:07):
I looked at four episodes

Sarah (23:09):
Okay.

Mark (23:09):
And the sign did not change.

Sarah (23:12):
Before that, it was all about Nigel.

Mark (23:14):
It was all about that or cleanup or stuff like that.

Sarah (23:19):
Oh, okay. Okay. So this is the first time it's about

Mark (23:21):
Those kids.

Sarah (23:22):
Those kids. So we have a group of former patients. Right?
Lulu, Barnaby Buchanan, HopalongCassie, Christopher Kramer.

Mark (23:32):
And they they do a good job of introducing rich
backstories with thesecharacters that make them
sympathetic, that are slightlyfunny and tragic at the same
time. Yeah. Wait a minute. Hisname's Buchanan. Isn't there
another character namedBuchanan?

Sarah (23:51):
Oh. My notes just say, Dennis Buchanan is his brother.
Oh, shit. There's also GerryManders, nice one, and Nigel
Smythe. Now Nigel is often asecure unit or prison or
something somewhere.

Mark (24:07):
Something like that.

Sarah (24:08):
But the rest of them are there. Lulu thinks she's a
mouse. Barnaby's married to ahorse and he's not a
mathematician but he thinks heis.

Mark (24:16):
So Barnaby's gonna talk to the mouse lady with Amy.

Sarah (24:19):
Mhmm.

Mark (24:20):
And then Sims says, we'll do the rest. And they suggest
talking to the crazy guy. What'shis name? Kramer? They suggest
talking to Kramer andimmediately Sims goes bag's not.

Sarah (24:35):
And puts her thumb on her forehead.

Mark (24:37):
Thumb on her forehead.

Sarah (24:38):
Which is not me.

Mark (24:40):
The international symbol for not it, but it's not how we
do

Sarah (24:44):
not it. And we put our finger on our nose to say not
it.

Mark (24:47):
That's North American.

Sarah (24:48):
The last person to put their finger on their nose is
it.

Mark (24:51):
And I I remember that from being a kid in Canada. So Yeah.
It is definitely North American.And I've done it here and people

Sarah (25:00):
Know what you're doing.

Mark (25:01):
Know what I'm doing. But the thumb on the head is a new
one.

Sarah (25:04):
Yeah.

Mark (25:05):
It may be a British thing. And why she says bag snot?

Sarah (25:08):
I don't know. I looked it up, I couldn't find I

Mark (25:10):
thought she said bag snot.

Sarah (25:18):
That's like deterred. Yes. Undeterred, sorry.
Undeterred? Bag snot.

Mark (25:30):
So Breen loses and he has to go talk to the guy, the crazy
guy.

Sarah (25:34):
Well he's talked to him before. He's got rapport.

Mark (25:36):
Yes. Gina is fantastic in this episode and is everywhere.
Yeah. She's at the comedy night,she's at the cricket match.

Sarah (25:45):
Yeah.

Mark (25:46):
And she's talking about Russian serial killers.

Sarah (25:52):
She would she would rather autopsy a Russian serial
killer?

Mark (25:55):
I would say Than victims.

Sarah (25:57):
She she calls Mike, and she says, I'm very disturbed.
Yeah. And he thinks, oh, bysomething about the body. And
she says, no. I was at a comedynight last night.
Like, non sequitur much? Yeah.Why are you why are you calling
him to tell him that? Oh, and bythe way, come talk to me about
this body that I haven'tautopsied yet.

Mark (26:15):
But I know the exact minute of death, but we're gonna
keep that

Sarah (26:19):
Oh, that's an old trope. It's the watch. Yep. It's always
the watch.

Mark (26:23):
And the watch is a problem because it could be set again.

Sarah (26:27):
No. That's not how it works Mark. Okay. It's always
absolutely accurate whether it'ssmashed or fried or whatever,
it's accurate.

Mark (26:35):
Okay.

Sarah (26:36):
Let's talk about Barnaby Buchanan.

Mark (26:38):
Oh Barnaby.

Sarah (26:40):
He has an office. Yep. Where he does math.

Mark (26:43):
Well, he's supposed to do math.

Sarah (26:45):
What does he actually do?

Mark (26:47):
So he calls Sims calls him, he says, I gotta go. So she
goes to his office.

Sarah (26:53):
Mhmm. Well, he just has a

Mark (26:54):
broken wood office building.

Sarah (26:56):
Yes.

Mark (26:57):
And we find out later that really as part of his treatment,

Sarah (27:03):
he It's a trust fund.

Mark (27:05):
It's part of his trust

Sarah (27:06):
parents trust fund says that he has to hold down a job
in order to get the money. Andso he has a fake job where he
goes to an office every day andlooks at an equation.

Mark (27:16):
And this is where the subversive part of this episode
happens, which is Dennis is awonderful brother. Yeah. Okay.
Is. Dennis takes sets him up inthe office.
Yep. Make sure he's there everyday. Right?

Sarah (27:30):
Yep.

Mark (27:31):
He also takes care of him when he's in trouble. Dennis can
be a million bad things, but heis a good brother.

Sarah (27:38):
Are you surprised that people like Barnaby and Gerry
Manders are allowed to drive?

Mark (27:44):
A little.

Sarah (27:45):
Like Gerry doesn't pull over and take his car apart on a
whim? Yeah, that's weird. Imean, guess if you kind of
separate the crazy in your life,you know, and you sequester it
to certain behaviors, then youcan do normal responsible things
the rest of the time. They don'thallucinate or I

Mark (28:05):
meet people all day that I'm like, how do you drive?

Sarah (28:08):
Yeah. You're allowed to drive?

Mark (28:10):
So, The Office is another amazing set. Mhmm. Right? It has
bookshelves with nothing.Nothing in them.
There's a white board with thisequation.

Sarah (28:21):
The chalk board, yeah.

Mark (28:22):
Not the Ryman equation.

Sarah (28:24):
No. We looked it up. It looks complicated, but it's And
don't even try to understandwhat the Ryman equation is. Look
it up if you want to. But I Ipassed trigonometry in high
school, and I did not evenunderstand the explanation of
the purpose of it.
It went right over my head.

Mark (28:39):
And then we get a fantastic touch of directing.
Because he says, I was at acomedy show and before that I
had dinner with my wife and wewent for a walk. And did you
notice what was on his desk?

Sarah (28:55):
A picture of a horse. Picture of a horse. I love when

Mark (28:59):
Nothing has been said about his wife and the horse or

Sarah (29:02):
Nope.

Mark (29:03):
Nothing nothing has been said.

Sarah (29:04):
Nope. I love when he calls Sims pretending to be
Betty. This is Betty Buchan andmy husband was with me. Goodbye.

Mark (29:15):
Nay. She couldn't have called from your phone. They're
the worst liars.

Sarah (29:22):
Yeah. She doesn't speak English very well. I was I
probably was translating. Yes.That's what I was doing.
It's like, okay. You're figuringout your lie while you're
talking. That's not a good thingto do.

Mark (29:31):
And that's good acting.

Sarah (29:33):
So he believes that the horse is his wife because they
were in a car accident and shedied and he thinks he saw her
soul go from her body into thehorse. Comedic. Since then, the
horse has been his wife.

Mark (29:48):
Comedic and tragic at the same time.

Sarah (29:51):
If you and I were in a horrible car accident

Mark (29:54):
Oh, no.

Sarah (29:55):
And I died in the car and you imagined in your trauma, my
soul going into something else.Would the object be? If you
could choose.

Mark (30:03):
If I could choose. Mhmm. Oh. I don't know.

Sarah (30:09):
I've thought a lot about this.

Mark (30:10):
I I This is Maybe maybe like Styrofoam Jack o'-lantern?
Maybe? I'm just trying to thinkoff the top of

Sarah (30:23):
my head. Something that would remind you of me?

Mark (30:26):
Yes. And not like the problem with the horse is a he
has to take care of the horse.

Sarah (30:31):
Yeah.

Mark (30:32):
Right?

Sarah (30:33):
Including shoveling its crap. Yeah.

Mark (30:35):
Betty. And b horses don't live as long as people.

Sarah (30:40):
No. So she's gonna die again. Yeah. I thought about
this and I thought what I wouldwant if I really thought you
were in it would be something Icould have with me Mhmm. And
that I could talk to withoutlooking too crazy.

Mark (30:56):
Okay.

Sarah (30:57):
So either a Star Trek communicator badge Oh. Because
you're into Star Trek. Yeah.Right? So if I wore it, people
would think, oh, that's sweet.
Yeah. But then I could touch itand I could talk to you.

Mark (31:10):
Mhmm.

Sarah (31:10):
Right? And people people would tolerate This

Mark (31:14):
implies quite rightly that either of us, after a car
accident or one of us died, wewould both go literally insane.

Sarah (31:21):
Yes. Without each other. But I think people would
tolerate it because they wouldbe like, oh, she's grieving. She
lost the love of her life. Mhmm.
And if not that, you know thoselittle troll dolls with the
crazy hair?

Mark (31:33):
What? Not

Sarah (31:36):
because it would remind me of you, but because I get,
like, they're little so I couldcarry it in my pocket, And I
could get it out, and I couldtalk to it, and be like, what do
think I should do?

Mark (31:45):
Ladies and gentlemen, I have been replaced by a troll
doll.

Sarah (31:49):
I miss you so much. And they have such little expressive
eyes.

Mark (31:52):
And your hair looks exactly the same.

Sarah (31:57):
I just think I could get away with it a little bit maybe.

Mark (32:00):
Now we have to do a picture of me superimposed on a
troll That

Sarah (32:06):
mean, wait, that's what I would go for.

Mark (32:08):
The comedy night has a couple of things.

Sarah (32:11):
Mhmm.

Mark (32:12):
Right? It has a fantastic sign. Yes. With a font that is
clearly out of MicrosoftPublisher.

Sarah (32:18):
Yes.

Mark (32:21):
Ray went out. All out. Because Ray also produced
posters.

Sarah (32:27):
No. I think those are Jerry's posters.

Mark (32:30):
Oh, you think Jerry brought them? Yes. They are
fantastic posters.

Sarah (32:34):
Because Jerry's also built a website for himself and
put fake quotes from fakesources on it. I mean, he's he's
really dedicated to this comedycareer.

Mark (32:43):
It says, dark side of my mind. This is a bad start.

Sarah (32:49):
It is the best poster. The photograph of him is so
great. I love it so much.

Mark (32:55):
It's $10 a seat, and it it just is the saddest thing to
look at.

Sarah (33:01):
Ray's dumb for booking him three nights in a row.

Mark (33:03):
Yeah.

Sarah (33:04):
I mean, how many people live in town? Can you really
fill the house three differenttimes? Because the same person
is not gonna come back twonights in a row to hear the same
comedy. So if Jerry's good, likeyou're gonna fill the house
three times, $10 covers.

Mark (33:19):
That's a lot.

Sarah (33:20):
It's a lot.

Mark (33:21):
Pat Oswald was just in town.

Sarah (33:23):
Mhmm. He's worth $10. He was like $40.

Mark (33:27):
I'd pay I'd pay 30 or $40 to go see Pat.

Sarah (33:30):
He's been on TV and

Mark (33:32):
stuff. But $10? That's a lot of money

Sarah (33:35):
to I think Ray's grubby. They probably split it. That's
probably the deal.

Mark (33:40):
I get

Sarah (33:40):
it. Yeah. The lights just flashed in this room. Are we
still recording? Yes.
Okay.

Mark (33:44):
Yes. We're still recording.

Sarah (33:47):
If you hear, the wicked witch has just gone by the
window. It's that weird greenabsolutely still outside.

Mark (33:57):
It is. We're we're in the center of the storm. Yes.

Sarah (34:01):
Anyway Harmony Vale. Bangladesh is not the answer to
any of my questions. I'm gonnause that in a meeting.

Mark (34:11):
I'm gonna say Bangladesh all the time. The Harmony Vale
Lodge, which is just horrible.

Sarah (34:19):
Mhmm.

Mark (34:20):
And we find out there that she was Dressler's wife. Yeah.
And this is where we get thenotion that the battery, like,
okay, we need a generator togenerate that much power.

Sarah (34:33):
Mhmm.

Mark (34:34):
Even though a generator wouldn't do that. So, again,
let's go back to what she had todo before they got there. So put
up the balloons with the heliumand the sign. Make the
invitations. Get the

Sarah (34:46):
cloaks on Drop them all off.

Mark (34:48):
Drop all the invitations.

Sarah (34:49):
Buy rice paper. Where do even get that?

Mark (34:51):
Do you even get rice paper? And then she had to
change the electronics of theECT machine.

Sarah (34:57):
You could get a converter.

Mark (34:58):
What are you gonna use this converter for? To kill
people.

Sarah (35:01):
Well, she's obviously pretty savvy because she knows
how to pull electricity from thebattery in her electric car.

Mark (35:10):
Yeah. That's not possible. And that's

Sarah (35:13):
a really long cord too.

Mark (35:16):
So she they try a generator with Jared Mhmm. And
the mouse lady. And she doeswhat I completely understood as
an excellent response

Sarah (35:26):
to overstimulating. It's way too loud. Yeah. She runs and
hides.

Mark (35:30):
Yeah. They know it's not that. So then Jared goes, can I
borrow this? And I'm like

Sarah (35:35):
Well, Jared's on the case. Mike Mike has seeded that.
Right? When never mind that whenSims sees Jared and Kahu
together, Jared introduces Kahuas my uncle's brother's cousin.

Mark (35:48):
Yes.

Sarah (35:49):
Which means wouldn't that just be your uncle's cousin?

Mark (35:52):
And nobody like goes, woo hoo.

Sarah (35:54):
Yeah. It's your first cousin once removed.

Mark (35:56):
Okay.

Sarah (35:56):
That's who he would be. Yep. But it's more fun to say my
uncle's brother's cousin. Yes.But yeah.
So a generator won't won't dothe job That's too loud. So then
they get

Mark (36:06):
Now they're at Frodo's Coffee Hut, but we haven't seen
Frodo at the Coffee Hut yet.

Sarah (36:10):
No. They get a whole bunch of car batteries on a
watermelon.

Mark (36:14):
Where did they get the car batteries?

Sarah (36:16):
I don't know. The car place?

Mark (36:18):
Why did they do it Why did they do it at Mike's? Wouldn't
you? I would do it at

Sarah (36:24):
Mike's. I would do it at somebody else's

Mark (36:25):
house. They burn

Sarah (36:29):
from the inside.

Mark (36:30):
Fry the watermelon from the inside. That is the best,
like New Zealand Mythbustersepisode ever.

Sarah (36:38):
Does Kahu need a machete?

Mark (36:40):
I guess.

Sarah (36:41):
How many watermelons have they already fried? What would
fried watermelon taste like? Whyis it black? I have so many
questions. Shouldn't it besmoking?

Mark (36:52):
It I would think it would be. So we went over we went
over, the backstory of Dennis'brother.

Sarah (37:00):
Mhmm.

Mark (37:01):
Now Cassie is known as Hopalong in town, which is cruel
but But she does hop. People arecruel about these things.

Sarah (37:10):
It's not the meanest thing they could call her.

Mark (37:12):
No. And she says she was a dancer at the bullshoi and Sims

Sarah (37:18):
Does not.

Mark (37:18):
Some ethical problems this episode.

Sarah (37:21):
Does she? She looks at Buchanan's phone for evidence
while he's injured andincapacitated. Yeah. That's
illegal.

Mark (37:29):
The court's not gonna like that. No. And she says she was
dropped on her head and shows us

Sarah (37:37):
A hole in her head.

Mark (37:38):
A hole in her head.

Sarah (37:39):
They could have called her Humpty Dumpty. They called
her a hop along.

Mark (37:43):
And so so that's her story. Sims doesn't believe a
bit of it and missus m goes, ohno, it's all true.

Sarah (37:50):
Yeah. Yeah. She had a scholarship.

Mark (37:53):
The mouse lady was the ex wife who got gaslit. Yeah. But
we don't know up until thispoint that Jerry is actually
Gerald.

Sarah (38:03):
Mhmm. Jeremy. Jeremy. Sorry. But it's not difficult to
figure out that he's one ofthem.

Mark (38:13):
And then we have the side plot that you're not supposed to
notice which is the person whodied that was killed by
Dreschler was a famous author.This show is fantastic at This
is a famous author that no one'sheard about and here's a book by
them. Yeah. And everybody knowsabout this.

Sarah (38:31):
And they're dead.

Mark (38:32):
I'd say that's completely unrealistic but there is huge
swaths of Canadian literaturethat I've made reference to in
front of people in America andthey have

Sarah (38:41):
no idea. No Margaret Atwood is it. That's it. That's
the only author you the onlyauthor. Yeah.

Mark (38:48):
So. And ten years ago, people wouldn't know who
Margaret Atwood was.

Sarah (38:53):
Yeah. We read Handmaid's Tale in in college and that was
more than ten years ago.

Mark (38:58):
Yeah. Okay. So so we're not supposed to pay attention to
this subplot about the authorand his family being dispersed.

Sarah (39:07):
Mhmm.

Mark (39:07):
Because his wife was American, so they went back to
America.

Sarah (39:09):
Except he died the day after his daughter's thirtieth
birthday. Yes. Hughes dropping abig hint.

Mark (39:16):
Yes. Hughes is this there to drop hints and throw balls?

Sarah (39:20):
At Buchanan's head. Conk. Conk. If he didn't have a helmet
on, might have been dead. I lovethat he gets up.
He's like, I'm okay. And then hejust melts.

Mark (39:31):
That's some good physical acting.

Sarah (39:33):
Yeah. It's good.

Mark (39:34):
Yeah. So Jeremy takes Breen's pen apart because he has
this problem. And you looked upthe name of it.

Sarah (39:41):
It's called punding. Punding. It's like, it's a tick
that where you repeatedly do anaction that's not goal or
outcome oriented, like sortingthings or taking things apart or
putting things together. Peoplewith Parkinson's do it.

Mark (39:57):
And now this isn't when you're putting something
together. It's it's When you doit purposely it's called
kneeling.

Sarah (40:05):
It's a But it's a compulsion.

Mark (40:06):
This is a compulsion.

Sarah (40:07):
Right. I kinda did that as a kid.

Mark (40:10):
I took stuff, tons of stuff apart as a kid.

Sarah (40:13):
I was rough focused on everything my sister owned that
she liked.

Mark (40:19):
But that's because she went to the youngest sibling
club.

Sarah (40:22):
My dad bought her she loved to play Thor and my dad
found this old cash registerthat went ka ching and
everything.

Mark (40:29):
Yeah.

Sarah (40:30):
And she played with it once, and then I took it apart.
Every piece. I sorted all thescrews into a pile. I mean, it
was as deconstructed as it couldbe.

Mark (40:43):
Your sister lives in another state.

Sarah (40:46):
Uh-huh. I love her.

Mark (40:49):
Do you have a favorite pen?

Sarah (40:51):
I have a favorite pencil, a brand of pencil.

Mark (40:53):
Oh, what pencil do you use?

Sarah (40:54):
They're called Blackwings. I love them so much.
I'm holding one in my hand rightnow.

Mark (40:59):
I also have a favorite kind of pencil because I'm that
kind of guy. I have a Japanesemechanical pencil. Japanese
mechanical pencil that when youpress on it The lead rotates.
The lead rotates. So that it'salways kind of sharpening
itself.
Nerd. I love them immensely. Andso those of you who know I'm a

(41:23):
productivity person and I likeproductivity stuff so I have a
number of notebooks and I dowrite a number of things and
notes and lists in in myJapanese mechanical pencil.
They're not super expensive.

Sarah (41:37):
No. But you have the one you misplaced it one day and I
thought you were gonna have afit.

Mark (41:41):
Well, I have five now.

Sarah (41:43):
Yeah. You solved that problem. Anyway, missus Marlow
sees Dennis walking Betty in therain. Yes. This is conspicuous.

Mark (41:53):
Yes. And and Dennis does the great lawyer thing of, I
don't think it's raining.

Sarah (42:01):
Just deny reality and keep going.

Mark (42:03):
It's like so raining.

Sarah (42:05):
But what did missus Marlowe think he was gonna do?
Just tie Betty up to the fenceand get in the car? Leave her
out there all night?

Mark (42:11):
She goes, get in the car. And I was like, both

Sarah (42:13):
of them? Yeah. Betty sitting in the back seat, the
three of them just going downthe Road. Yeah.

Mark (42:20):
And the other way, the former patients are going in the
car the other way.

Sarah (42:26):
We're going to the comedy show where we will have been all
evening.

Mark (42:30):
Okay. Hughes is in his whites.

Sarah (42:33):
So the cricket game? At the cricket game. Gina's there.

Mark (42:36):
Gina is in her whites.

Sarah (42:37):
Hughes is there. Buchanan's there.

Mark (42:40):
Yep. And Breen is in is in his whites. But Sims is there
and is all business and Ginajust eviscerates her.

Sarah (42:50):
Because Mike's not there. Yeah. Mike should be here. She
just wants Mike to see her inher whites.

Mark (42:56):
And she's like, why didn't you tell Mike why didn't you
offer to Mike to to take sometime off?

Sarah (43:01):
I did.

Mark (43:01):
She's like, I did. Well, you didn't try hard enough.

Sarah (43:04):
She's kinda nasty about it.

Mark (43:08):
I have a note that says Mike holds down the fort with
his new girlfriend killer andthe mouse lady.

Sarah (43:14):
Yeah. He goes to see Amy. He's already hinted that the ECT
is kind of bringing back somebad memories. And we we know
that it's about one of his wivesYes. Who needed some mental
health treatment.

Mark (43:28):
This is a touching scene where Mike is gonna open up.

Sarah (43:32):
He cries.

Mark (43:34):
No. No. That's the second scene. I'm talking about the
first scene.

Sarah (43:37):
The coffee shop.

Mark (43:37):
Where they're having coffee.

Sarah (43:39):
Yeah. And he's he's almost about to admit something
about one of his ex wives.

Mark (43:43):
And I screamed.

Sarah (43:45):
And you scream?

Mark (43:46):
Yes.

Sarah (43:46):
Okay. Because I thought you said he was gonna open up
about his ex wife and ice cream.

Mark (43:51):
No. No. I screamed.

Sarah (43:52):
Okay.

Mark (43:53):
Because Frodo comes up to give them coffee and explain
that maybe he was a little moreupset about his friend dying.
Mhmm. Which should have been inour episode one notes of what
happens later. And he has on aFrodo dog hat. Hey.
It is fantastically homemade. Itmeans that Frodo dogs is still

(44:18):
alive.

Sarah (44:18):
No. It just means that he's too cheap to get a new hat.
That's all.

Mark (44:23):
I had a bit of the depressions. Well, a lot of the
depressions.

Sarah (44:27):
After his friend was murdered at his

Mark (44:29):
bachelor party When you're like standing by the river
throwing your gun in the river.

Sarah (44:34):
And you were almost arrested for murdering him.
Maybe that was upsetting alittle bit. But then when Mike
is at Amy's office

Mark (44:42):
Yes.

Sarah (44:43):
I think Sims has figured it out. Jared has figured it
out. Mike's not answering hisphone.

Mark (44:50):
Well, we have the let's call Mike scene where everybody
in the scene calls Mike.

Sarah (44:55):
Tries to call Mike, but then he talks about his ex wife
and he really tears up.

Mark (45:00):
Because Jared has given him the clue. Jared has figured
out the clue which is it's anelectric car.

Sarah (45:07):
Mhmm. But Neil Ray is such a good actor because he
just wells up. Yeah. How you dothat, I don't know. Yeah.
He must be like pinching histhigh real hard, something to
make his eyes well up like that.It's so good. But then he finds
the book.

Mark (45:24):
He finds the book first. And she also does the flirty
thing that kinda make me throwup a bit in my mouth where she
was like, it's like somebodygoing through your underwear
drawer, isn't it Mikey? Like,like, it was like that?

Sarah (45:41):
That's She's talking about a mouse.

Mark (45:43):
No. I know.

Sarah (45:44):
But it just She calls him Mikey? No. She doesn't.

Mark (45:46):
She doesn't call him Mikey, but she mentions her
underwear drawer. And I justfelt, ugh.

Sarah (45:52):
I remember the first time I saw this, she said she was
gonna go get a book out of hercar, that seemed unlikely to me.

Mark (45:58):
Yeah.

Sarah (45:58):
It was either she's gonna take off because she's just she
thinks that he knows, or she'sgoing out to get a weapon.

Mark (46:05):
Yes.

Sarah (46:05):
But she's actually just going out to get a book.

Mark (46:08):
Now we talked about the the incredible house

Sarah (46:13):
that Toad Hall?

Mark (46:14):
Toad Hall is. Did you see her office? Yeah. It's this
giant white house.

Sarah (46:19):
Yeah. But that's pretty typical for a small town.

Mark (46:22):
But there would be more people there.

Sarah (46:24):
She's just got one office in that big house. Maybe it's a
Saturday. The cricket game's on.It's a weekend.

Mark (46:31):
Now they do something in this episode that I know you
don't like, which is they doreenactments of the crime with
other people as the killer.

Sarah (46:39):
Yeah. And then finally False reenactments.

Mark (46:43):
Finally, we get the true reenactment. So it does not
include the party planning orthe rice paper purchasing or the
invitation creating.

Sarah (46:51):
She must have had a to do list. You gotta have a list.
That's too much to remember.

Mark (46:56):
Once it's past three things, you need a list. Right?
You're going to the grocerystore, you gotta get eggs, you
gotta get ketchup, you gotta getmilk. Oh, we're at a list.

Sarah (47:07):
They should have known right off the bat that it had to
be her because all these peopleare contingent living at best
except Barnaby Buchanan. Andsomebody knows where they all
live to give them an invitation,and she's the only one.

Mark (47:25):
She's the only one.

Sarah (47:26):
And the only reason it takes her so long to invite
Jerry is that she doesn't knowwhere he is, but then he comes
to town.

Mark (47:32):
And then she kind of pretends with Mike that she's
not the murderer. Mike's like,

Sarah (47:39):
no. Yes you are.

Mark (47:40):
Yes you are.

Sarah (47:42):
Yeah. You're upset because your dad got killed and
you're seeking a little bit ofrevenge. So she goes And she's
spent hours talking to thesepatients about all this trauma
that they've experienced.

Mark (47:53):
So her dad dies at 30. She goes with her mom to The United
States, then she goes toBolivia. Ecuador. Ecuador. Then
she gets the plan.

Sarah (48:03):
Mhmm. I'm gonna go back. Changes her name.

Mark (48:06):
Changes her name back to New Zealand and I'm going to
pretend Do you think she's anactual therapist?

Sarah (48:13):
Well, if she was 30, she may have already done that for a
living or gone to college orYeah.

Mark (48:19):
Let's give her that. Yeah. But then she waits while he's in
prison planning this.

Sarah (48:26):
Mhmm.

Mark (48:26):
And and like, wow.

Sarah (48:29):
Well, and you can assume that his sentence probably
wasn't seven years. It wasprobably like twenty five years
and he only served seven.

Mark (48:36):
Yes.

Sarah (48:36):
So she's gotta be there in advance Yeah. Waiting. And
then because he's gonna getreleased at some point.

Mark (48:42):
With all this crazy stuff going on, the comedy show, these
four horribly brokenindividuals, the electrical,
engineering society, theBuchanan getting hit in the head
in the hospital, the doctor,with all of this, the episode
goes goodbye.

Sarah (49:00):
The end. Like nothing. Do you think she practiced on
watermelons too? Oh, well,maybe. And Cassie lives in the
room above the room where theyhave the party.
Yeah. Why doesn't Cassie catchher setting up?

Mark (49:14):
I don't know. Maybe she should have watermelons all over
her office.

Sarah (49:23):
Like just over in the corner of the room where he
dies, there should be a pile ofseemingly perfect watermelons.
But then when Gina cuts themopen, every one of them is black
and charred on the inside.Somebody was practicing on
watermelons. This is an ancientRussian killing technique.

Mark (49:41):
Yeah. They walk out with her and Mike's kinda like, oh,
well.

Sarah (49:45):
I think he's sad. He's sad. And he must feel really
betrayed.

Mark (49:52):
And Because he all must feel betrayed.

Sarah (49:55):
He just opened up about something to her Yeah. And then
finds out she is not at all whoshe says she is. Yeah. Though
she is kind of. Kind Like she'sjust as damaged and broken as
all those other people are, justin a different way.
Other question I have bad forher but betrayed too.

Mark (50:12):
Okay. She's done all this. Okay? Mhmm. That book should be
her most precious possession.

Sarah (50:20):
Mhmm.

Mark (50:20):
Why is it at work?

Sarah (50:22):
Because when you're in a job like that, you need to look
smart and you need a bunch ofbooks to look smart.

Mark (50:27):
But wouldn't she have that in a very special place in her
house?

Sarah (50:31):
Maybe. Or to hide it amongst a bunch of other books.
But it's probably the only bookof poetry on that shelf, don't
you think? The rest of themwould be psychiatric reference
books.

Mark (50:42):
Oh, I bought it at a rush sale.

Sarah (50:45):
I mean, I would keep it at home in a special place.

Mark (50:50):
Yeah. Wouldn't you? Like

Sarah (50:52):
I just said that's what I would do. So yeah, I would.

Mark (50:54):
Yeah. It's just weird. And then the episode just

Sarah (50:58):
And then it just ends. Boom. No banter, no funny you
know, Gina hitting home run

Mark (51:06):
or whatever they call her

Sarah (51:07):
in cricket. No.

Mark (51:10):
Like, no going to the comedy night on the third night
and suddenly Jerry's funny?

Sarah (51:15):
He he just makes the one joke over and over again. The
one about the screwdriver justYep. Over and over. Yep. Because
he finally said something funny.

Mark (51:23):
Never mind. We didn't even talk about Breen and him in the
car and the attempted suicide.And Breen's going like, this is
so full, this episode. It'sreally full. Yeah.
And yet it moves along.

Sarah (51:38):
Yep. It's a good one. Yep. Bangladesh is not the
answer to any of my questions. Igot the team on it.
Just remember.

Mark (51:47):
So what happens after this? Because we know who the
the the dead body is.

Sarah (51:53):
There's only one.

Mark (51:54):
And he does a good job.

Sarah (51:55):
These poor people are gonna need even more help. Yes.
Which hopefully they get.Hopefully none of them go, you
know, Amy was right. There'ssome other people who were kinda
mean to me.

Mark (52:07):
If I was Fiona, I'd be not only seeking higher authority,
but maybe moving.

Sarah (52:14):
Three days in church is not going to fix what's wrong
with her. No. She's very brokenand why she didn't move away
from there in the first place, Idon't know.

Mark (52:23):
She's like Fiona She Devil of the SS.

Sarah (52:25):
She should be long gone except you know she can't leave
Toad Hall because it's too cool.

Mark (52:30):
If any therapist suggests getting dressed up in costumes,

Sarah (52:35):
no. I'm not going to say that. I don't know.

Mark (52:38):
Maybe.

Sarah (52:38):
But if it's get up dressed in a costume to scare
these vulnerable people we'retreating, that's right out.

Mark (52:44):
Yeah. That scene so they do If

Sarah (52:48):
I ask you to dress up like a troll, it's not therapy.

Mark (52:51):
They oh, cool. Is my hair high enough? So they do a
reenactment scene of thetorture. Water torture? Yes.
Yeah. Poor Buchanan, and theentire room is white. It's the
same room. So I went back andforth between those two scenes
of the death and of the

Sarah (53:12):
The treatment and the Finding

Mark (53:14):
the body and the party. The party. Worst party ever.
Yeah. And all they did was turnon a bunch of lights, right?
Because the walls are white andeverything, but they put these
big plastic pieces down on thefloor like table cloths.

Sarah (53:30):
To make it look like it was

Mark (53:31):
All white.

Sarah (53:32):
A clean nice white room.

Mark (53:33):
Super white.

Sarah (53:35):
You know what? I need to I need to retract some
statements though. I've justfigured something out. I've been
saying that though Amy is thekiller, she actually seems like
a a caring therapist. But shepurposefully exposed all of
these people who are vulnerablealready to watching this guy
twitch and foam and die in frontof them.

Mark (53:54):
So she could frame them.

Sarah (53:56):
And thought that that would be therapeutic for them.
If not, frame them.

Mark (54:01):
She either thought it would be therapeutic, I'm sorry,
or frame them.

Sarah (54:07):
Either way, yeah, I take it all back. She's horrible too.
Yeah. She's bad.

Mark (54:11):
Really, anyone who cares for people is horrible in this
episode. Yeah. And the peoplegetting cared for are not.

Sarah (54:18):
Yeah, I agree. They seem to be better support for one
another than any of the peoplewho are actually supposed to be
supporting them.

Mark (54:25):
Well, plus it only takes two people to run-in asylums.

Sarah (54:29):
Well, yeah, if you're doing stuff that you don't want
anybody to see and you don'treally care about

Mark (54:32):
quality of Multi floor asylum.

Sarah (54:36):
They just close off, you know, narrow it down to like one
or two rooms.

Mark (54:39):
Frodo young teenage Frodo's in the back mopping

Sarah (54:43):
up. Mopping. Smowing the grass. Serving Frodo dogs.

Mark (54:47):
Frodo dogs.

Sarah (54:48):
With an ad on. Yep. So that is the Dark Angel. What's
what's up next week? Season sixepisode one?

Mark (54:54):
Season six episode one. Oh, we are in for a treat ladies
and gentlemen because it is thepower of steam. The infamous

Sarah (55:07):
Steam fair episode. Oh, the steampunk.

Mark (55:10):
And if you remember, it's a dog episode with Mike. Mhmm.
And I think an ex wife.

Sarah (55:17):
Yeah. I think so. I think so. Yeah. So Might be the same
one that's shown up beforethough.

Mark (55:21):
Yes.

Sarah (55:21):
Yeah. Repeat ex wife. Yes. We're never gonna know how
many he actually has.

Mark (55:26):
No. We're not. Alright. It's so It's impolite to count
people's exes.

Sarah (55:30):
Especially the ones that have died drowning Yes. Or
through ECT maybe or I whoknows?

Mark (55:37):
Who knows?

Sarah (55:38):
Anyway, until next week. Bye, maniacs.

Mark (55:40):
Bye, maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery
maniacs podcast. If you enjoyedour crazy podcast today, don't
miss out on future episodes.Follow us on social media for
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Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (55:59):
Sorry. I thought you were gonna blow your nose.

Mark (56:01):
I thought I was too, but I just needed to wipe it.

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