Episode 227 | Mystery Maniacs | The Brokenwood Mysteries | "The Scarecrow" | Honey For Nothing & Your Bees For Free - Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah (00:00):
Toot and Trudy. Toot and Trudy. Get your honey out
because you're really gonnapoison tonight.

Mark (00:24):
Hey, Maniacs.

Sarah (00:26):
Hey, Maniacs.

Mark (00:27):
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated
to mystery TV. Each week, we diginto an episode of a show
including the merge, the mayhem,the loonies, and everything else
we love this week, Broken WoodMysteries season 4 episode 3.
The scarecrow. I'm scaredy,Mark.

Sarah (00:47):
I'm not scaredy Sarah.

Mark (00:48):
Yeah. I'm not really scared either. I thought this
was a lot more scary, butthere's a, endeavor in which
there's a scarecrow. I thinkthat's the scarecrow.

Sarah (00:58):
It's been done more than just once.

Mark (01:00):
Yeah. I

Sarah (01:01):
think You're not afraid of he who walks behind the road.

Mark (01:04):
Oh, I'm terrified of him because I read Stephen King's
book when I was a kid.

Sarah (01:08):
There's also a really terrifying doc, David Tennant
doctor who with scarecrows. Yes.The family of blood. Yep. That's
that's a scary scarecrowepisode.

Mark (01:19):
And that that's one of the best new doctor who episodes.

Sarah (01:24):
Yeah. So before we dive in, couple of corrections.

Mark (01:28):
Well, first of all, we're a spoiler podcast.

Sarah (01:30):
We're gonna ruin it. We're gonna tell you who did it.
If you haven't watchedscarecrow, go watch and come
back.

Mark (01:34):
Let your kids run around fields with pellet guns.

Sarah (01:39):
Shooting in AM and objects, they can handle this
the podcast. Maybe personalexperience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So last week, we were talkingabout historical recreations
that we wish that we couldattend. Yes. And I mentioned the
epic 1919 maple syrup flood inBoston. It was molasses.

Mark (01:58):
Yes.

Sarah (01:59):
Mark made me sit through, like, a 14 minute chemistry
professor's explanation of howit happened.

Mark (02:06):
I thought it was interesting.

Sarah (02:07):
I think it was a punishment for getting it wrong.
Because you even said while wewere recording, wasn't that
molasses? And I was like, nope.Maple syrup. I was wrong.

Mark (02:18):
At least one of our listeners said, I didn't know
there was a difference. Yeah. SoI think you should get off scot
free.

Sarah (02:27):
Sorry. I got that wrong.

Mark (02:28):
But a number of people did mention it.

Sarah (02:30):
Yeah.

Mark (02:31):
Nobody mentioned the mistake that I made, which I
found

Sarah (02:34):
Which was a 2000 year mistake.

Mark (02:37):
I I made a 2000 year mistake. The Cahawica Mounds
state historical site is on theeast side of St. Louis. It is a
UNESCO World Heritage Site, andit was bigger than London in
1,000 CE.

Sarah (02:56):
Yeah. Not BCE.

Mark (02:57):
Not BCE. There was no London.

Sarah (03:01):
To be fair, it's one letter off. Yeah. You know? Is
there

Mark (03:04):
a b It's 2 1000. It's 2000 years, but one letter.

Sarah (03:08):
Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. Couple of things that we've been
watching this week before wedive in. We started the new
season of Vienna Blood that's onPBS here in the States.
It's season 3.

Mark (03:20):
Yep. 4. It's 4. 3 or 4?

Sarah (03:22):
It's really good.

Mark (03:23):
And they've they've advanced both the characters in
interesting ways

Sarah (03:28):
Yeah.

Mark (03:29):
Which I think miss Scarlet and, a couple of other shows had
trouble with.

Sarah (03:35):
Yeah. Now I can't go on too much longer because World
War one's gonna happen. Yeah.It's imminent. Yeah.
And they're in Vienna andJewish, and it's gonna be bad.
Yeah. But in the meantime, it'sa really good show. I'm not
gonna say that it's a light cozymystery. No.
But wow. Is it beautiful? It'sreally beautiful.

Mark (03:55):
That being said about miss Scarlet, they did do something
new in the newest season, and wewatched that.

Sarah (04:00):
And I thought like it more than I expected I would.

Mark (04:03):
I I thought it was better than

Sarah (04:04):
I thought with the duke leaving, I wouldn't like it
anymore, but I do. Yep. It'sokay. We also watched missing
you, which is the Harlan Cobenminiseries on Netflix. In gross
point

Mark (04:16):
blank, the main character plays a assassin, and it's
played by John Cusack. And hetells everyone the truth in that
movie, and no one believes him.

Sarah (04:27):
Mhmm.

Mark (04:27):
Okay? It's once you realize that about that movie,
it becomes more comical. Yeah.This television show, everyone
lies to the main character.That's kinda She looks
completely shocked every time,like, right to the very last
moment there are revelations.
You're like, oh. And it's

Sarah (04:48):
and it's not just, like, suspects who lied to her. You
know? We won't give any morethan that away.

Mark (04:55):
Everyone is lying.

Sarah (04:57):
On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest score, how do
you give the way it ended?Without saying how it ended,
what would you give it?

Mark (05:06):
They wrap it up, but I was I was unsatisfied with the
ending.

Sarah (05:11):
So what score would

Mark (05:12):
you like to 7a half. I'd watch it again, but I wish it
had a different ending.

Sarah (05:17):
I would I would give the episode the season the series as
a whole about an 8, and the waythat it ended about a 6. Yeah.
So they do wrap it up. So it'sit's a satisfying, like, you
find the answers to everything.It's not like that.

Mark (05:34):
Yeah.

Sarah (05:34):
But just prepare if you watch it. It's called missing
you. Prepare to be kind of like,what? That's it? Really?
That's how they're gonna end it?Okay.

Mark (05:44):
Honestly, I'm almost drop another half point for them
adding the missing you song onthe very last part.

Sarah (05:51):
Only because it got stuck in your head.

Mark (05:53):
It's just the wrong song for the show.

Sarah (05:57):
On a better note, we've started watching the new season
the new season of the US versionof traitors with Alan Cumming as
the host. Again, I the firstepisode, I'm like, oh, they're
all reality show celebrities.I'm not really crazy about that.
They're always over the topdramatic, but it's grown on me.
Yes.
Because it's a good show.

Mark (06:17):
I wish we could feel sympathy for the wives of blank.

Sarah (06:21):
The wives of Atlanta or the housewives of Atlanta or
whatever. I wish we could watchthe the UK version.

Mark (06:27):
We like the UK version again. And, again, we cannot
stress enough. The second seasonof the Australian trader is the
single best season of a realityshow of all time to the very
last second.

Sarah (06:42):
It is. It really, really is. But and I know that it's not
a cozy mystery. It's not thekind of thing that we normally
cover, but it is an intrigueshow, and you just can't beat
Alan Cumming. He's just so epic.

Mark (06:59):
Yes. Alan Cumming is fantastic. The the castle is
fantastic.

Sarah (07:04):
They're in Scotland.

Mark (07:05):
Yep. And yeah. And and there are some regulars of serve
of,

Sarah (07:11):
Survivor, big brother.

Mark (07:12):
Big brother that that we've seen before who I like.

Sarah (07:16):
Yeah. So it's really fun. So if you need some brain candy
Yep. You know, little gossipmongering, backstabbing reality
show, it's really fun.

Mark (07:26):
If you're watching it in the US or in the UK, let us
know.

Sarah (07:30):
Yeah. Definitely. We'd be curious to know what you all
think. Yes. And whether thereshould be more murders in that
show because there are murdersin that show.

Mark (07:39):
Yeah. But then they they're like, oh, you have to go
away

Sarah (07:43):
You've been murdered.

Mark (07:44):
To another hotel.

Sarah (07:45):
I don't know. In the last episode, they nailed somebody
into a coffin. It was prettyfun. It's fun. So we've been
watching stuff, but you you gota new book this week.
Right?

Mark (07:54):
I did get a new book because there's this weird thing
about me. I've seen everyversion of the Hound of
Baskervilles. Mhmm. I've watchedevery film. I've seen every
television show of it.
Mhmm. I get obsessed with astory, and I watch it in all its
different forms.

Sarah (08:13):
Mhmm.

Mark (08:14):
I have a new one, which is murder on the orient express.

Sarah (08:18):
Oh, okay.

Mark (08:18):
I believe now I've seen every murder on the orient
express movie and televisionshow. Now there are some bad
ones. Remember, Elliot Gould.Yeah. 19 eighties.

Sarah (08:30):
But now you've got a book that's not just the Agatha
Christie, the original.

Mark (08:34):
Yes. So I I got a graphic novel this week called Murder on
the Orient Express. A graphicnovel by Bob Algreen. It's
beautiful. The the text is fromAgatha Christie,

Sarah (08:47):
of course.

Mark (08:48):
And where I found out about this, it's a couple of
years old, is the AgathaChristie blog, the official one,
did a thing on Poirot packing.Mhmm. And the illustrations were
so beautiful.

Sarah (09:00):
About how he packed a suitcase when he went on

Mark (09:02):
a shopping trip. At the bottom, it was like, you can
read more, if you like, Bob L.Green's artwork, you can see
more of it in murder on theorange express, the graphic
novel. I was like

Sarah (09:15):
What?

Mark (09:16):
So I bought that right away. It is so it is in what
comic parlance is Belgian fineline style. The most famous
version of this is Tintin. Yeah.Right?
Done by Herje who was BelgianYeah. And did a fine line style.
So if you know what Tintin lookslike, this is done in that

(09:40):
style, and it is beautiful.

Sarah (09:43):
Yep. And it's the original story. Yeah. Because
it's got Agatha Christie's textin it.

Mark (09:48):
It has. And it has beautiful illustrations and
beautiful diagrams of the traincars, and the train looks so
good. And

Sarah (09:59):
I haven't read the whole thing, but I have to say it is
extremely true to the original.

Mark (10:05):
Yep.

Sarah (10:05):
It's like what you see in your head while you're reading
it. Yeah. It's it's it's reallygood.

Mark (10:11):
And the Poirot is definite like, there are some panels I'm
like, oh, that's David Suchet.Yeah. Like, it's a very Suchet
Poirot, but the mustache is avery

Sarah (10:25):
Kenneth Branagh. Kenneth Branagh.

Mark (10:27):
Yeah. So he's small and round.

Sarah (10:31):
But his mustache goes all the way to his ears.

Mark (10:33):
His mustache goes all the way to his ears. I think it's
it's very good.

Sarah (10:37):
Highly recommend.

Mark (10:38):
Yep.

Sarah (10:38):
Alright. You ready to talk about scarecrow?

Mark (10:40):
Let's talk about Scarecrow. It was originally
aired 12th November 2017. JoshFrizzle directed this and
written by Greg McGee.

Sarah (10:51):
I'm just gonna say right off the top. Mike Edward, who
plays both Philip and ThomasHenderson, has a creative agent.
Because they must haveapproached him and said, you're
gonna be the victim, and we'regonna put fishing line across
your face so tight. It's gonnamake a divot in your face. But
in exchange, you get to playthat character's twin brother

(11:14):
and show off your hot bod.
Deal? Yep. Deal. And promote

Mark (11:19):
your new yoga business. Yeah.

Sarah (11:22):
Take off your shirt without any prompting
whatsoever. Wow.

Mark (11:25):
That was a lot of shirts.

Sarah (11:27):
Elvis at Sims. Okay. I'll play that part. That's fine.

Mark (11:33):
I hope he got paid double. He works extra hard in this
episode. And his death scene, heface plans.

Sarah (11:40):
Oh, man.

Mark (11:41):
Yeah. On the floor, and it is clearly him.

Sarah (11:44):
Yeah. And it's, like, concrete breezeway.

Mark (11:47):
I wanted him well, we'll get there.

Sarah (11:50):
We give away who did it. Yes. Okay? Yep. Trudy did it.

Mark (11:54):
But that's the interesting part of this to me because Trudy
is a reoccurring

Sarah (12:00):
Regular character.

Mark (12:01):
Character who now has had like okay. So we love cozy
mysteries because other than thepeople who guest star in the
show, everybody returns tonormal at the end of the show.
Right? It's a mixture of drama,of tragedy, and comedy. And

Sarah (12:19):
The big reassurance that everything's gonna be okay.

Mark (12:21):
The people who show up, the guest stars are in a
tragedy. The people who do thedetecting and the people around
them are in a comedy. Yes. Thisis traditional comedy. Yeah.
Meaning, everything returns backto normal at the end. Right.
Unless it's the end of theseason. And then we're like,
Breen, we don't like you muchanymore.

Sarah (12:44):
But when you take a regular character

Mark (12:47):
Yeah.

Sarah (12:48):
Who's supposed to be part of that, everything returns back
to normal, and you send them toprison.

Mark (12:52):
They change

Sarah (12:53):
That's a twist.

Mark (12:54):
There there's a change. They're experimenting. Yes.

Sarah (12:59):
So we've got 3 farms. Right? We've got Dougie and
Trudy. We've got the Hendersonfarm.

Mark (13:05):
Yep. Which is in the middle.

Sarah (13:06):
And then we have the Taylor farm.

Mark (13:07):
Yes.

Sarah (13:08):
They're pie shaped farms. And where the wedges meet,
there's manuka trees and bushes.

Mark (13:14):
Because all Mowry's last name is Taylor. This is why I've
learned.

Sarah (13:17):
Because they're all related in this show.

Mark (13:19):
They're all related. I'm not

Sarah (13:22):
grumble about that. Anyway and they've all got
hives. Yes. Right? Becausemanuka honey is so rare and
expensive.
And if you believe the ads onthe podcast I listen to, it's
like it'll cure brain diseasesand arthritis and whatever. I
don't

Mark (13:39):
I learned everything I needed to know knowing the fact
that there is a page for ManukaHoney on WebMD. Yeah. I didn't
go to said page.

Sarah (13:48):
But you saw it in the search results?

Mark (13:50):
It was the number one search result.

Sarah (13:52):
So there's this the argument about this. Right? And
we see Philip have aconfrontation with Dougie. I'm
gonna call him Dougie because Ilike it.

Mark (14:00):
It's always Doug.

Sarah (14:01):
And then Philip's dead.

Mark (14:02):
Yep. So did you notice first, the scarecrow is made of
an incredibly expensivemannequin?

Sarah (14:10):
Just a mannequin head. It's an ugly mannequin head. Why
do you say it's extremelyexpensive? It's hideous.

Mark (14:16):
But we priced out mannequins.

Sarah (14:18):
Yeah. If you don't need to know why. Buy it new, they're
really expensive.

Mark (14:23):
So then he doesn't have it for his bees. He has that for
his garden.

Sarah (14:29):
What? Yeah. Why would he need a scarecrow for his bees?
Yeah. He has it for his vines.
He has a vineyard and anorchard. He's a busy dude. He
has a nice farm. His littleorchard is cute. The little
apple trees are covered inapples, and they're so cute.
They're so they're, like, short.Yep. They're a little compact.
And one fancy scarecrow stand.I've never seen one with a

(14:50):
hinge.
No. But it makes sense.

Mark (14:53):
It does make sense.

Sarah (14:54):
They should all do hinges. Yeah. The one we had
when I was a kid didn't have ahinge.

Mark (14:58):
You had a scarecrow as a kid? Yeah. I grew up on a farm
and had no scarecrow.

Sarah (15:04):
Well, we there was an empty lot next to our house that
my parents bought with ourhouse.

Mark (15:10):
Okay.

Sarah (15:11):
So we had a big garden. My dad planted a garden every
year. So we had corn, tomatoes,green beans, peas. I mean,
radishes, carrots, you name it.

Mark (15:20):
Yeah. They're normally for gardens, not big crops.

Sarah (15:23):
And he had a he always had a scarecrow out there, and
it was usually made out of theclothes that we outgrew, which
was really creepy. That's weird.To see the scarecrow wearing
your clothes.

Mark (15:32):
Could you look out the window and see it?

Sarah (15:35):
Oh, yeah. Oh. Oh, yeah. And then he'd put, like, a
pumpkin on his head or, like, aa dried out gourd or, like, a
bucket with a face on it. Idon't think they work.
No. I mean, unless they move alittle bit with the wind, they
don't they don't I don't thinkthey scare anything off.

Mark (15:52):
Well, the the closest thing I remember is near one of
the places where my brotherlived. There was enormous amount
of orchards.

Sarah (16:01):
Yeah.

Mark (16:02):
And they had what was equivalent of a shotgun blast go
off at irregular intervalsduring the day. During the
night, the birds are asleep.

Sarah (16:13):
Right. And I can see why that would scare them off, a big
noise like that.

Mark (16:17):
But, you know, you're hanging

Sarah (16:19):
out terrify anybody.

Mark (16:20):
Hanging out of my brother's house on the deck and
all of a sudden,

Sarah (16:24):
bang. Everybody's on the ground flat. So can I tell you a
couple things about scarecrowsthat I found?

Mark (16:30):
Yes.

Sarah (16:30):
And I'm getting deja vu about this. I think we've talked
about them before. Maybe when wedid a Midsummer or something?
Sarah Midsummer is a joke. Islept since then.
So

Mark (16:41):
many we're at 227 episodes. Who is to remember
everything?

Sarah (16:47):
I'll just give you a couple of fun facts that I
learned. I hate that phrase funfacts.

Mark (16:52):
Oh, hey. Can I tell you a fun fact?

Sarah (16:54):
No. I learned some interesting facts about
scarecrows Yes. Including thefact that in Germany, they are
called Bootsman. Bootsman?Bootsman.
Bootsman. Unless, they're femaleand which they're Bootsefrau.
Bootsefrau. Or bogeyman.Bogeyman.
Yeah. The bogeyman is ascarecrow. Yep. This is the one

(17:15):
that gave me deja vu. In ancientGreece, scarecrows were made to
look like a god called Priapus.

Mark (17:24):
Okay.

Sarah (17:24):
Does that name ring any bells to you?

Mark (17:27):
Sounds familiar.

Sarah (17:28):
Like a condition Yeah. That you might have to see your
doctor about?

Mark (17:31):
Yeah. If your boner is longer than 4 hours.

Sarah (17:36):
Last longer than 4 hours. What I have to tell you though
is that Priapus' boner is waylonger than 4 hours. It's kind
of what he's known for. He's thegod of fertility and
agriculture. Just took a drink.
And so these scarecrows wereprobably scary because their
bits were bigger than theirbodies. Yeah. Like Wow. In

(17:57):
medieval era, kids were made torun through fields and scare off
birds.

Mark (18:02):
Yeah. That makes

Sarah (18:03):
that makes sense.

Mark (18:04):
It's noise.

Sarah (18:05):
But then when the Black Death came around, you really
couldn't have your kids outrunning around so much. You
wanted to keep them in.

Mark (18:12):
Yeah.

Sarah (18:12):
And so then they started using scarecrows again. Ancient
Native American men used tostand on high stands in their
fields and just yell at birds

Mark (18:21):
Oh.

Sarah (18:22):
Which I think sounds like fun.

Mark (18:23):
Yes. Hey, bird. Bird. I found Young bird. Get out of
here, bird.

Sarah (18:31):
I found a lot of this information in an article I read
that has an excellent title.

Mark (18:38):
Okay.

Sarah (18:39):
The tie the title of this article is, hey, man. Hey as in
h a y. Yeah. Hey, man. Thecurious life and times of
scarecrows.

Mark (18:48):
Oh, somebody was being clever that day at the at the,

Sarah (18:52):
Published in the Modern Farmer Journal. The next search
result in Google Scholar wasdevelopment of a renewable
energy powered avian pestscarer. It's an avian pest
scarer.

Mark (19:08):
It's certainly a folklore boogeyman.

Sarah (19:13):
Yeah. Because you just you can't see them and not
imagine them getting down.

Mark (19:17):
Yeah.

Sarah (19:19):
And you can't forget Wizard of Oz. Like, everybody
has seen a scarecrow movebecause they've seen Wizard of
Oz

Mark (19:26):
Yeah.

Sarah (19:27):
Or read Wizard of Oz. Do you remember how the scarecrow
was introduced in Wizard of Oz?Isn't he In the book? No. So in
the book, he explains that hewas made just 2 days before, and
that the first thing the farmerdid was make his head and paint
his ears on.
And as soon as he did, he couldhear. And then the farmer
painted an eye on his face, andthen he could see. And he

(19:50):
watched them put his bodytogether. Oh.

Mark (19:53):
Those are weird books.

Sarah (19:54):
They're way weirder than you remember. That's for sure.

Mark (19:58):
There's there's also a Patrick McGowan Disney film. I
think it might be called thescarecrow where he plays this
scarlet pimpernel like figure,but he's a scarecrow. Ugh. No.
Rides on a horse and

Sarah (20:14):
No. I don't want that. No. Thank you. Well, Philip I
mean, Mike Edward who playsPhilip and Thomas, I'm gonna
give him an 11 on the scale of10 for dead body acting Oh.
Only because he tolerated thatline across his face because and
I looked frame by frame. It isabsolutely pressing his face.

Mark (20:35):
And then has beautiful scars.

Sarah (20:37):
The scars are great. They did a really good job on Morgue.
Yep.

Mark (20:40):
And then also does an amazing death scene Yeah. Yeah.
While being a jerk brother too.

Sarah (20:47):
I just hope that the line they used on his face was like
elastic and didn't wasn't asrigid and tight as it looked.
Like, if you put a rubber bandon your face, it will deform
your face. Yeah. But as soon asyou take it off, you're fine.

Mark (21:01):
Yeah.

Sarah (21:01):
But if you put something rigid like fishing line on your
face to make that tight of anindentation, it would hurt a
whole lot more.

Mark (21:09):
I thought it was barbed wire. Like, I was remembering it
was barbed wire, but it clearlyisn't. That would be so

Sarah (21:15):
much work. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's still really hideous.

Mark (21:20):
Yes.

Sarah (21:21):
Leave it to Trudy

Mark (21:22):
Yeah.

Sarah (21:23):
To drag, like, a 200 pound man, change his clothes,
put him up on a pole.

Mark (21:29):
As as we've mentioned, Trudy is she hulk. Mhmm.

Sarah (21:32):
So I don't even know that we need Thomas Taylor. I realize
you need a third person to makethe business deal go hinky.
There's gotta be 3 people. Buthe and his sons, I just feel bad
for them.

Mark (21:45):
Yep. And they don't like, they get their, it's Dougie that
poisons their bees.

Sarah (21:51):
Yeah. Puts gasoline in their hives.

Mark (21:54):
And that's and then what the guy says about the humming
of Sinclair? The bees. I waslike, oh.

Sarah (22:03):
That's so sad. Yeah. Well It's like a jet engine, and then
it just goes silent.

Mark (22:08):
This episode is like, oh, we hate every oh.

Sarah (22:11):
It's a roller coaster. It's like, oh, scary scarecrow.
That's a freaky death.

Mark (22:16):
Now we hate everybody. Everybody's horrible.

Sarah (22:19):
2 little kids found a dead body. That's horrible. Oh,
Trudy's such a bad person. Oh, Ithink his girlfriend did it. No.
I just wow. Up and down up anddown. Yep. I really don't need
Philip's stomach contents superzoomed on a 55 inch TV in the
morgue. I was having a snackwhile I was watching that, and I

(22:41):
stopped having my snack.
I was It's gross.

Mark (22:44):
I was like, I could go for some honey and bread.

Sarah (22:48):
It's so gross. She says, oh, maybe he died of a fiber
overdose. Trudy. What do youmake out of Trudy and Doug?
First of all, were you are yousurprised that she's married?

Mark (23:02):
Yeah.

Sarah (23:02):
It's When you first watch

Mark (23:03):
this episode. Nowhere.

Sarah (23:04):
Like, it's never mentioned. Hint. We don't see
them dating. You imagine themdating?

Mark (23:09):
The own the only hint that we get of this episode is the
honey in 2 episodes ago.

Sarah (23:17):
On the counter at the

Mark (23:18):
It's on the counter.

Sarah (23:19):
At the frog and lion toad and cheetah, whatever it is.
Trudy originally comes to townto help her brother out.

Mark (23:26):
Yeah.

Sarah (23:26):
Like, she

Mark (23:28):
When did she and Dougie get together?

Sarah (23:30):
I don't know. I mean, life goes on, I guess, behind
the scenes while other murdershappen. But it it feels like
they're supposed to have beenmarried for a while, but they
couldn't have been because shedidn't even live in town until a
season ago or whatever.

Mark (23:44):
I guess.

Sarah (23:45):
I don't know. Do you buy them as a couple?

Mark (23:48):
It's really easy to sell it as a gold digger, but she
cares about Dougie.

Sarah (23:54):
Yeah. And he's not wealthy. No. And he's a
curmudgeon.

Mark (23:58):
He's

Sarah (23:58):
He'd have to have a

Mark (23:59):
lot of

Sarah (24:00):
money to make it worth that. He's he's

Mark (24:03):
He's got no kids? Did he have a previous wife? Does he
say anything?

Sarah (24:07):
I doubt it. Wow. He doesn't he doesn't come across
as like Gentleman, bachelor,farmer. Exactly. Exactly.
But I buy it. I I think theirrelationship is is believable.
They seem to really care abouteach other, but it also strikes
me as 2 fully grown independentadults who have their own thing

(24:28):
who then get married to eachother that they tolerate one
another's quirks and And thatcan happen. Independent things,
you know, like

Mark (24:36):
That can be like, oh, I'm not gonna get another chance
here. Yeah. I don't imagine thebachelors are banging down
Trudy's door.

Sarah (24:45):
But I can also see, like, we can make this work. You you
stay out of some of my business,and I'll stay out of yours.
That's your life. This is mylife. This is our life together.
Okay.

Mark (24:55):
I didn't know if you caught this or not. They don't
spend a lot of time together.

Sarah (24:59):
You never see them together.

Mark (25:01):
So because we know he goes to bed early. Mhmm. She works in
a bar.

Sarah (25:07):
Yeah. So let's Breakfast.

Mark (25:09):
Let's say let's say that she works 6 to 2. Mhmm. Right?
So she doesn't see him allnight.

Sarah (25:18):
No. Okay. He gets up at 6.

Mark (25:20):
He gets up at 6. They spend a few hours in bed
together. Yeah. She doesn't getup till 9.

Sarah (25:26):
But then he has breakfast with her because

Mark (25:28):
he's just on their own farm. Together, and then he goes
to work on

Sarah (25:31):
the farm. Well, they might have lunch together too.
Maybe.

Mark (25:34):
But they don't spend a lot of time together.

Sarah (25:36):
No. And that's how some relationships work.

Mark (25:39):
I guess.

Sarah (25:39):
That's why they work because they're not, you know,
living in each other's pockets.When Sims goes to see Kahu

Mark (25:46):
On Smogo.

Sarah (25:47):
Is he at home?

Mark (25:48):
No. He is, he's doing a job because he says the owner
said it was okay for me to makea cuppa.

Sarah (25:57):
Oh, okay. I missed that line

Mark (26:00):
Yeah.

Sarah (26:00):
Because then they're out on the porch, and I'm thinking
this is his place. Like, aplumber just happens to be doing
plumbing at his own house whenyou come in?

Mark (26:08):
No. No. He said Then

Sarah (26:10):
I'm not upset about her just walking in. It's not his
house.

Mark (26:13):
No. It's not his house.

Sarah (26:14):
Because she clearly just walks in.

Mark (26:15):
He's doing a job.

Sarah (26:17):
Yeah. Okay.

Mark (26:18):
So then we get the real subplot of this episode, which
is Sims' ability to make coffeeor not. Because our current
theory, Sarah's mostly, is thatSims pretends to make coffee
poorly as a way of getting outof it.

Sarah (26:34):
Or Sims actually is bad at making coffee, hence why she
has such an expensive coffeemaker because it doesn't work
for her. Well, here She makesinstant coffee that tastes like
tea.

Mark (26:46):
That is hard to do.

Sarah (26:48):
No. It's easy to do. You just don't put enough coffee in
it.

Mark (26:50):
Oh, I guess.

Sarah (26:51):
Like, the instructions are on the container.

Mark (26:54):
She goes, I don't bake.

Sarah (26:55):
Instant coffee is disgusting anyway. I don't know
why anybody would have instantcoffee. But, yeah, as soon as
Kahul says Smoko, I'm like, I'mon Smoko, so leave me alone.

Mark (27:05):
And then he got he goes, did you bring any baking? I'm
like, wait a minute. There arerules for Smoko?

Sarah (27:11):
You have to bring baked goods to Smoko?

Mark (27:13):
I didn't know there were rules.

Sarah (27:14):
The whole point was leave me alone. I'm on Smoke O. I
don't like Dahlia. Maybe it'sjust because she's a granola,
sage locust, organic.

Mark (27:26):
They try to make her interesting by making her lie
and making her steal the honey.She's so stupid. Where would you
okay. I stole something, so I'mgoing to display it in my
kitchen.

Sarah (27:38):
Yeah. Exactly. What are you doing, woman? Yeah. Now

Mark (27:43):
she is grieving. Yeah. Okay. Because, like, she had her
dreams set.

Sarah (27:50):
But if she didn't have Sims as a best friend, she'd be
in prison. If she didn't havesomebody looking out

Mark (27:55):
for her Mike and Breen constantly remind her.

Sarah (27:59):
Like, this girl probably did it. Now she didn't. No. But
she's looking awfully guilty,and a lot of people wouldn't
have looked past that. But Simsis actually looking out for her.
But she says everything happensfor a reason, and I'm just like,
okay. I don't like you anymore.

Mark (28:15):
I detest that phrase.

Sarah (28:18):
I know you do.

Mark (28:19):
Sometimes everything happens for a reason because
you're stupid and make badchoices.

Sarah (28:24):
And again, Breen and I have the same fears. I think
Trudy is also scary.

Mark (28:32):
And he gets the collie wobbles.

Sarah (28:34):
Where where does that come from? Where does collie
wobbles?

Mark (28:36):
It's like Virginia's in the early 19th century.

Sarah (28:39):
Oh, you looked it up? Yep. Okay.

Mark (28:41):
Comes from colic and wobble. It's folk etymology.

Sarah (28:46):
So when you had colic, you got the wobbles? Like,
dizziness from coughing? And nowit's Means the opposite. It
makes you unstable. This.
Yeah. Alright. I love thatTrudy's garage has a sign that
says the honey trap. Yes. She isthe Well, that's

Mark (29:02):
the logo.

Sarah (29:03):
I know, but she is the least honey trap woman ever.
She's like bee repellent. Like,she is so outwardly scowly and
intimidating. She's never gonnawork as a honey trap. You know
what I mean?

Mark (29:19):
Well okay. So did you see the flyer for the honey? No. Or
the sign? Uh-uh.
So it says it buffers immunesystem, system support, creamy
manuka honey, and then it sayscollected from the New Zealand
bush.

Sarah (29:38):
Okay.

Mark (29:39):
Now from the native New Zealand bush.

Sarah (29:42):
As opposed to that imported New Zealand bush.

Mark (29:45):
I guess. Did you see how much it was? Uh-uh. 45 nzed
dollars for one of thosecontainers.

Sarah (29:52):
That's a lot of honey, though.

Mark (29:53):
That's a lot of honey, but that's a lot of money,

Sarah (29:56):
honey. Artisanal.

Mark (29:57):
So how much do you know do you know about the exchange
rate?

Sarah (30:01):
I don't.

Mark (30:02):
It's about $25.

Sarah (30:05):
That's that's reasonable for that. That's well over 16
ounces of honey in that jar. Andit's a cute little jar.

Mark (30:11):
It is a cute little jar. Dougie has the best line.
There's the most country versuscity line ever. He goes, he's a
townie who dabbled.

Sarah (30:22):
Wow. You've probably heard farmers say

Mark (30:24):
that, haven't you? Yeah.

Sarah (30:27):
I don't know. I like Trudy and Dougie. They may not
see each other very much, butthey are on the same script.

Mark (30:35):
Oh, and she has a phrase for

Sarah (30:37):
They are absolutely looking out for each other. They
don't they don't, they'reabsolutely looking out for each
other. They don't givestatements on one another's
behalf and they don't comment onthe other one's statement. Nope.
Right?
So, like, if you wanna knowsomething about Trudy, you ask
Trudy. You don't ask Doug. Yeah.Because he's not gonna tell you.
Nope.
And and when they ask her toconfirm something he said, she's

(30:58):
like, well, you're just gonnahave to ask Dougie. We don't
boil our cabbage twice. Yeah.And I love that.

Mark (31:04):
That's Like fantastic. We

Sarah (31:05):
are a team.

Mark (31:07):
That's when you know Dougie and Trudy love each other
because they are the sameperson.

Sarah (31:11):
Yeah. He says the dog needs to go out. I don't squeeze
it to make sure. Like, they'reon a team. Yeah.
Just like she and her brotherare.

Mark (31:22):
Well, if she phones, he Dougie phones her.

Sarah (31:25):
Right? Sims is on her way.

Mark (31:27):
Yep. He doesn't say anything, like, don't tell her
this or don't tell her that.

Sarah (31:32):
Just be aware. And that's when we get to see Sinclair for
the first time. Yes. And he'sanother he's he's an odd
character. You really dislikehim at first.
You think he's a skeezybusinessman confronting Philip
at the farmer's market and,like, trying to undermine his
business or whatever, and you'relike, who is this scabby guy?
But then he actually turns outto be, like, a legitimate

(31:55):
businessman who actually seemsto care about bees Yeah. And
know with bees.

Mark (32:00):
Yeah. We it is the change of opinion of people in this
episode that I like.

Sarah (32:05):
Mhmm.

Mark (32:06):
Speaking of, Philip's brother arrives in his I'm the
city man from the city.

Sarah (32:12):
It never occurred to me how devastating it would be to
lose somebody you love and thenhave their identical twin show
up.

Mark (32:22):
Okay.

Sarah (32:23):
Especially, if you'd never met them and they looked
that much alike.

Mark (32:27):
Yes. That is horrible. Like, how I I can't even imagine
it. But my problem was Simsstuck at the front of another
bad funeral.

Sarah (32:40):
Yeah. This

Mark (32:41):
is 2 now. What is Sims doing that everyone around her
is dying?

Sarah (32:48):
I understand her being there trying to support Dahlia.
Yeah. You know? I get it. Andthis is the only time I actually
feel bad for Dahlia is whenThomas walks up.
Thomas, never Tom. Yes. It'snever Tom. Nope. Not Tommy.
Nope. You call him Tommy. He'sprobably gonna do some yoga on
you.

Mark (33:05):
Yep. Dougie can't call him Tommy.

Sarah (33:07):
Get his little tight pants out. Yep. But when he
walks up and she's never met himbefore

Mark (33:13):
Yeah. Oh, I just They do that really well.

Sarah (33:17):
The few people in my life who I've lost, I cannot imagine
if somebody who looked just likethem walked up at the funeral.
It'd be so upsetting.

Mark (33:24):
It would be so weird. And Dougie shows that he's a good
guy here. He's a neighbor. Wedidn't see eye to eye, but he's
a neighbor.

Sarah (33:31):
Yeah. He didn't kill him. Meanwhile. His wife did.

Mark (33:34):
Meanwhile, Trudy's like, I got a place to have the party.

Sarah (33:38):
Yeah. You wanna come back and buy drinks off of me? Yep.
Missus Marlow made rolls, cheeserolls. She must buy a lot of
white bread.

Mark (33:45):
She must. I heard he was hung, drawn, and quartered.
That's a bit messy.

Sarah (33:51):
That's a bit now Yeah. That missus Marlow says, is it
true that the murder happened,like, this horrible, unrealistic
way that it probably didn't?Yes. Well, that's good.

Mark (34:01):
Yeah.

Sarah (34:01):
She asked that almost every time now.

Mark (34:03):
Yes.

Sarah (34:04):
You're a good friend, but you make terrible coffee. When
somebody who's grieving has totell you, please know, don't
make me coffee. It's bad. Youknow, it's bad.

Mark (34:14):
So the second mystery of this episode is is it a
pawnshop? Is it a junk shop? Arethey a travel agent?

Sarah (34:23):
Is it a costume store?

Mark (34:25):
Are they selling costumes? This place sells everywhere. Did
you notice that junk was on theside?

Sarah (34:31):
Yes. So, Sid, the pawnshop guy Yep. Who we
previously thought was also atravel agent Curios and
collectibles. Definitely is intoselling taxidermies. Different
store.

Mark (34:43):
Completely

Sarah (34:43):
different. Trying to push ferrets on the Sims at at every
chance.

Mark (34:48):
And Xena costumes.

Sarah (34:49):
And Xena costumes. It must be like a running joke for
them.

Mark (34:54):
It's between Xena, power rangers, and lord of the rings.
Yeah. They have they can hit anyone of those in each episode and
know they got a guaranteedlaugh.

Sarah (35:07):
Yeah. It's like an inside joke for New Zealanders. But
where's he getting all theseferrets? Like, if there's a
taxidermist who keeps sellinghim ferrets, he should stop
buying them. Yeah.
But they did buy one before forMike. So maybe he thinks she's
starting a collection. You sureyou don't want another ferret?

Mark (35:24):
Yeah. You sure? And then there's the doctor do Dolittle
joke.

Sarah (35:28):
You mean the who's on first joke? Yes. It would have
had to have been doctorDolittle. Doctor who? No.
Not him. The other one. The onewho talks to animals. He's on
first.

Mark (35:38):
I've got the cauliwabbles.

Sarah (35:42):
And they talk about that that is it a tutu tutu flower?
Yes. That has poison in it. Yes.And the the tooting getting in
the honey.
Yes. And all the time I'mthinking, I know Trudy did it.
And all I could think of istooting Trudy. Doug, Doug, Doug,

(36:03):
Doug, Doug, Doug. Do do

Mark (36:22):
the turn into I haven't done that since my wife died.
Like

Sarah (36:26):
Oh, it's my turn to be sad. Me raising my boys all by
myself.

Mark (36:31):
Like, wow. But that junky garage, I was like, I've been in
that garage.

Sarah (36:37):
Thomas t Taylor's property is is just, lockjaw
waiting

Mark (36:42):
to have it.

Sarah (36:43):
Yeah. Like, it's Tetanusville.

Mark (36:44):
Yes.

Sarah (36:45):
I need to go back to the pawnshop for a second.

Mark (36:47):
Okay.

Sarah (36:48):
If we imagine this is the pawnshop where Sid has always
worked.

Mark (36:52):
Yes.

Sarah (36:53):
And I don't know. You used to be able to get there by
walking through the travel agentor something. I don't know how
that worked. This is the storethat was burgled and only
taxidermy was stolen. Yeah.
You're right. All that otherjunk. The only

Mark (37:08):
guy in town only took that?

Sarah (37:10):
Only stole white taxidermy from the junk shop. He
he's a worst burglar than weimagined when he ripped off the

Mark (37:19):
worst god.

Sarah (37:20):
The sky jumping place.

Mark (37:24):
Worst get,

Sarah (37:25):
the street. Stuff he could have stolen. Yep. And he
goes through and goes, jewelry?No.
Expensive collectibles? No.Taxidermy, but only the white
ones. Yes. A duck, a dog, a foxYep.
A ferret. That's what I'm gonnatake.

Mark (37:41):
I gotta tell you, Sarah. When you pawn stuff after you've
murdered me, don't use your realname.

Sarah (37:47):
No. I won't. Okay. Though if I do it in our little town,
people will know who I amanyway.

Mark (37:53):
Our town is not that small.

Sarah (37:55):
No. But if we live someplace like Brokenwood,
they'd they'd be like, hey,Sarah. Oh, is that Mark's ring
you're selling?

Mark (38:01):
Yes.

Sarah (38:01):
He's dead now. Right?

Mark (38:02):
Meanwhile, Mike is like, who profits from Phillips'
debts? Boy, does he bang thatdrum.

Sarah (38:10):
Well, he's right. He is.

Mark (38:12):
Okay.

Sarah (38:13):
And again, we get I don't I don't like that they do this.
I think it's cheaty. I don'tlike that broken wood shows us
reenactments of scenes thatnever happened. Yeah. We see
Dahlia and Philip having theirromantic dinner, and they never
had that dinner.

Mark (38:30):
Never had

Sarah (38:30):
that dinner. That never happened. No. They shouldn't
show it to us. It's breaking therules.

Mark (38:35):
Something that's not breaking the rules, but I didn't
need to see was the yoga class.First of all, there are a lot of
people in this scene that arelike, I was in a yoga class on
broken wood. Mhmm. 2nd of all,mister biz mister Bregnis

Sarah (38:51):
Thomas.

Mark (38:51):
From the city is maybe not the best yoga candidate in the
world. Now the guy, the actor,is a yoga guy. Oh, yeah. He does
a actual yoga move.

Sarah (39:02):
He does that one handed body stand thing.

Mark (39:06):
Yep. And then spreads his legs and says, here's my
scarecrow.

Sarah (39:12):
I'm cooling down. I'm Priapus.

Mark (39:16):
Let me rub on this bumper thing.

Sarah (39:19):
We're both, like, going back and forth in our chairs.
Nobody can see us do it. We'redoing the pelvic thrust for
podcast. Nerds. Yeah.
So you don't believe Thomas is ayoga type? No. Oh, I do.

Mark (39:34):
I don't. And I immediately thought when he fell down and
did the face plan at the endwhen he does his death scene
Mhmm. I was like, he should'velifted up on one arm and been
like, yoga move.

Sarah (39:48):
I know a ton of super successful, especially men,
businessmen, who treat theirbodies like temples and wear a
headset and talk about stockswhile they do their yoga. Like,
it doesn't surprise me at allthat he needs to maintain his
body like a temple.

Mark (40:07):
Let me take my shirt off.

Sarah (40:09):
Just randomly. I love the Sims is like, can you stop doing
that for a minute?

Mark (40:16):
Would I have to cool off?

Sarah (40:18):
And then he, like, whips his sweaty shirt off and then
stands so close to her. Oh. He'sgotta be stinky. Yeah.
Apparently, Tooten isinstantaneous too.

Mark (40:30):
Yeah.

Sarah (40:30):
When they think that she will have po poisoned Dougie, he
drinks it, and he doesn't dropdead. So they're like, well,
okay. I guess you're alright.

Mark (40:37):
Yes.

Sarah (40:39):
Like, how much do you have to eat? I couldn't find the
toxic dosage of tootin anywherebecause it really depends on the
concentration of it and thehoney and stuff. So apparently,
44 pieces of toast is enough forsure to kill you pretty
immediately. But would it like ateaspoon and a glass of whiskey?

Mark (40:59):
I don't I don't but I don't I don't think she would
have done that.

Sarah (41:04):
I don't know.

Mark (41:04):
I think she loves Doug.

Sarah (41:05):
I don't know why they thought she would. I

Mark (41:08):
well, she's crazy. So, Philippa, is that her name?
What's her name?

Sarah (41:13):
Dahlia?

Mark (41:14):
Dahlia.

Sarah (41:15):
Are you mixing her and her dead boyfriend together now?

Mark (41:18):
Dahlia steals his honeycombs. Yeah. Have you ever
eaten honeycomb?

Sarah (41:23):
Uh-huh.

Mark (41:24):
Okay.

Sarah (41:24):
It's kinda crystally.

Mark (41:25):
You chew

Sarah (41:26):
on it and you

Mark (41:26):
get the Crystal.

Sarah (41:27):
The wax is left over.

Mark (41:28):
It becomes a kinda gum thing. Yeah. I ate it all the
time as a kid.

Sarah (41:32):
I'm I've only had it, like, once. But

Mark (41:35):
Land, like, went to the place that had the hives to get
it.

Sarah (41:39):
Like, you squeezed a bee off of it and said, let me put
that in my face. Yeah. I wasalways kinda ever so slightly
creeped out about it because Idon't like holes like that.

Mark (41:49):
Yeah. I know.

Sarah (41:50):
And plus, I couldn't not think that's food for be
maggots. Yes. Like, what if thecell next to it had a b pupa in
it? Pupa. You know, it's kindayou're off it now.
You're like, that's really good.Woah. Wait. Oh. Oh.

(42:10):
Now you're making me think aboutit. Oh.

Mark (42:12):
Well, Nick, you've come to work today to be DC brain. We're
going to crucify you. Okay.

Sarah (42:21):
Well, there's a handy dandy, like, foot pedestal.

Mark (42:24):
I know. And Sims pushes him up, like, with no problem at
all. Yeah. Of course, he's tinyman. He's a wee man.

Sarah (42:32):
No. I don't think so. He's gotta be 6 foot.

Mark (42:36):
He's not very muscular.

Sarah (42:37):
I think he's solid. Hey. Have you seen him as a Power
Ranger? No. He's not scrawny,but she's got leverage.

Mark (42:45):
Yes. She does. There's been a development at the sage
locust. Why would you call yourplace of business a locust?

Sarah (42:52):
I don't know. It's like crunchy bug cafe or something.
This whole fishing thing.There's a lot going on in this
episode.

Mark (43:00):
There's so much.

Sarah (43:01):
I love when Doug says, you're into fishing, but not
that kind of fishing. He growson me. Yep. I kinda like him the
more it goes on, like,

Mark (43:11):
He goes, those are Trudy's boots. They're too big, too
small for me.

Sarah (43:15):
It would have been funnier if he said they're way
too big for me. She's a bigwoman.

Mark (43:24):
So what has happened is Philip has decided to sell the
farm. I I actually like how theTaylors are like, we love this
land, but somebody's gonna buyit. Yeah. So I'm gonna sell it.

Sarah (43:38):
And the money is more important than the sentimental.

Mark (43:40):
The money is way more important to my family than the
sentimental. And it would be.Yeah. Obviously. And so she is
gonna lose the farm, and thenDougie does the worst thing.
And I don't think Dougie doesthis spitefully. I think he does
it thoughtlessly.

Sarah (43:58):
Yeah. He Agrees to receive a royalty in exchange
for not having bees. Somebody'sgonna pay me for doing nothing.
Yeah. And it and he never wasdoing anything.

Mark (44:09):
Money for It was sent honey for nothing and It's

Sarah (44:12):
just for free. Kinda Trudy's hobby. Yeah. So but he
can't.

Mark (44:16):
But he doesn't understand how important that hobby is to
her.

Sarah (44:20):
Well, he doesn't understand how much she wants
him to get off the farm Yeah. Sothat he'll live longer.

Mark (44:27):
Yeah.

Sarah (44:28):
And when he not only doesn't sell it, but does sell
her thing Yeah. That'supsetting. And But she's not mad
at him. She just has to findanother way Yep. To get him off
the farm.

Mark (44:42):
So she decides to become a killer.

Sarah (44:45):
No. She decides to make Phillips sick.

Mark (44:48):
Yes. With poison. Whoopsie. Oopsie. And then frame
the Taylors Mhmm.

Sarah (44:58):
And By traumatizing Scare

Mark (45:00):
Dougie.

Sarah (45:01):
Yeah. Because Dougie strikes me as the kind of guy
who's gonna go, wow. Theneighbor was murdered. Guess I
better sell up and get out ofhere.

Mark (45:09):
So No. You feel sorry for Trudy, but then you remember
that she's psychotic.

Sarah (45:14):
That not only did she kill somebody, because she did
kill him. Yep. She snuck intohis house, broke into his house.
Like, premeditated.Premeditated.
Even if she didn't think itwould turn him

Mark (45:27):
gloves?

Sarah (45:28):
It was she was risking his life. Yep. But when he dies
from it, she thinks, in themoment, I know. I'll string him
up like a scarecrow. Yeah.
I'll change his clothes.

Mark (45:41):
Where did

Sarah (45:42):
she find the scarecrow clothes?

Mark (45:43):
They were on the scarecrow.

Sarah (45:45):
Oh, that's right.

Mark (45:45):
Yep. That's where the hat comes from.

Sarah (45:47):
I'll strip the scarecrow that's here.

Mark (45:49):
Also in my head.

Sarah (45:51):
And move his body and string him up, and that will
make the other neighbor lookguilty. Yeah. Okay. I don't know
why that makes Taylor look moreguilty than it would Doug
considering they had analtercation.

Mark (46:07):
I don't know either.

Sarah (46:08):
She's running a risk there of framing her husband for
it.

Mark (46:11):
Like, I understand the older gentleman farmer and
needing to move on from thefarm. I remember I remember a
phone call with my mother wheremy mother said, well, that was
after my your father broke hisribs. And I'm like, what? Yeah.
And she goes, oh, just a fewmonths ago, he was over at the

(46:32):
barn, and a cow moved the wrongway, and he broke his ribs.

Sarah (46:35):
And you weren't gonna mention,

Mark (46:37):
like Wait.

Sarah (46:37):
Why? Time for you to move off the farm Yeah.

Mark (46:41):
To me. She goes, well, he walked back to the house. Oh,
sweet Jesus. So then then, like,my parents had the decision made
for them because the ice stormof 96 happened, and they were
out of their house for 6 weeksliving in town with my brother,

(47:04):
and they got the taste for town.

Sarah (47:08):
Yeah. Because the farm had no power for 6 weeks.

Mark (47:10):
6 weeks. And then they, like, it it was the next year or
the year after they moved totown. Now I have to tell you,
dear listener, as far as Iremember from maybe 4 years old
on, I, on a regular basis, saidto my parents, why are we not
living in town? I want I waslike, why are we not living in

(47:31):
the city?

Sarah (47:31):
Yeah. You wanted to move to Toronto or something.

Mark (47:34):
I wanted to move to New York City.

Sarah (47:36):
I was like Can I go live with the Jeffersons?

Mark (47:38):
Can I go live with the Jeffersons? They live in an
apartment, which is awesome.There are no cows, and their
next door neighbor is British.Like, that's the best thing in
the world. No.
We will never move to town. ThenI move out, and they moved to
anyway, I know it puts stress on

Sarah (47:58):
people. Mhmm.

Mark (47:59):
But it does not make people sick.

Sarah (48:02):
No. No. And I

Mark (48:03):
know it's heightened here and everything, but you really
feel sad for Trudy here. And wethink this is the end of Trudy.

Sarah (48:11):
But it's not. So do

Mark (48:13):
you think they came to her and said, we need to change your
character, or do you think shewent to them and said, I wanna
change my character, or maybeI'm gonna be away for a little
while?

Sarah (48:27):
I think it's that. I think Tracy Lee Gray, who plays
Trudy, probably had some reasonfor needing

Mark (48:33):
to operate from the show. Like her.

Sarah (48:35):
And they said, oh, we'll just make you a killer. This
will be great, which is a superbrave thing for the writers to
do because they could have justsent her, you know, off on a
self discovery trip orsomething. They didn't have to
turn her into a murderer. No.But they did.

Mark (48:49):
This is a permanent change

Sarah (48:51):
for me. Comes back, it works. Yep. A killer comes back
to town, and she's still Trudy.And there's even an episode
while she's in prison

Mark (49:00):
Yes.

Sarah (49:00):
About her.

Mark (49:01):
Yep.

Sarah (49:02):
So she's a good actress, and it's a good character.

Mark (49:05):
I think they really like her.

Sarah (49:06):
You love her. You hate her. You love her. So I

Mark (49:08):
think they really like her as an actress.

Sarah (49:10):
Well, they should, and the character's really good.

Mark (49:13):
Yeah.

Sarah (49:14):
The the window in the interrogation room has super
powered window blinds. Also Thatmake it a one way window and
soundproof.

Mark (49:23):
I I also would like to state they need to stop doing
interrogations with the dooropen.

Sarah (49:29):
There is that too.

Mark (49:31):
Because that's kinda illegal. Yeah. Gonna say

Sarah (49:37):
mostly illegal. Probably not okay to have the suspect's
husband on the other side of thewindow either.

Mark (49:43):
Yeah.

Sarah (49:43):
I'm surprised he doesn't knock on the window. Hi, Trudes.
That's the only thing he doesn'tdo is, Trude, shut up. You know?
Because he's like, oh, she'll befine.
Yeah. Because he doesn't thinkshe has anything to hide.

Mark (49:55):
I absolutely believe wholeheartedly that two way
glass is a seventies coptelevision show convention that
doesn't actually exist in the

Sarah (50:06):
We know it's not two way glass.

Mark (50:08):
Sorry. One way of glass.

Sarah (50:09):
It's well, no. It's not one way glass. Yes. Because in
the last episode, the suspectlooks out and sees Sam standing
there.

Mark (50:18):
That's it's

Sarah (50:19):
It's just regular glass.

Mark (50:20):
It's the plot flash.

Sarah (50:22):
It's the super powered window blinds. If you turn them,
so they're slatted a little bitdown.

Mark (50:28):
She can't hear a word.

Sarah (50:30):
You can't hear and you can't see.

Mark (50:31):
Even though the door of the room you're in

Sarah (50:33):
is open and the room that they're in is open and they're
next to each other. Suspensionof disbelief, Mark.

Mark (50:39):
Then Dougie cries.

Sarah (50:41):
Oh, Trudy is legitimately crying. Which prior to this, you
you would have never thought.No. You would ever see that
character legitimately cry. Evenif her brother was murdered in
front of her, it would just makeher mad.
But then he sees her and hiseyes are teared up. It's like,
oh.

Mark (50:58):
It misses a beat that because it's so emotionally
heavy here, the the reality ofwhat would happen doesn't
happen, which is Ray would showup with the sleazy lawyer after
she gives the confession. Yeah.And that would be bad. Yeah.
Like but that's what Ray woulddo.

(51:19):
Yeah.

Sarah (51:20):
Of course, he would. They're like, shut up, Trudy.
We're here. We're here. Andshe'd be like, I already
confessed.
Go on.

Mark (51:28):
Ray absolutely loves his sister.

Sarah (51:30):
Oh, yeah. Wonderful. Team. Yep. They're a team.

Mark (51:33):
And Ray skirts the line of Elia Gali Yeah. But doesn't
actually cross it.

Sarah (51:42):
Well, kinda stands on it. Yes. You know, maybe maybe leans
one way or the other sometimes.Hence, the what was it? Lord of
the Rings or whatever theycalled it.

Mark (51:53):
But okay. The Hobbit. So this is Ray's next holiday.
Okay? Ray's wife, as weremember, died after selling
shark fin soup.

Sarah (52:06):
Yes.

Mark (52:07):
So she's dead. Yes. Trudy, his only family, he says that

Sarah (52:12):
Yeah.

Mark (52:12):
Is now in prison. Yeah. And his brother-in-law is also
going to prison for fordestroying the hives or at least
paying

Sarah (52:21):
He's paying a fine.

Mark (52:23):
Paying a fine. But I don't think Ray and Dougie get along
all that well.

Sarah (52:27):
We don't know.

Mark (52:29):
That's what he has for Christmas next year,

Sarah (52:32):
Dougie. And we're so we're talking after the credits
here. Right? Yeah. So doesThomas still buy the Taylor?
No. Does Sinclair still buy theTaylor Farm?

Mark (52:42):
Sinclair, I think, buys everything.

Sarah (52:44):
Does he buy Dougie's Place, you think?

Mark (52:45):
I think Dougie needs the money to pay the fine.

Sarah (52:48):
Because it's gonna be an awkward neighbor relationship
Yeah. If he doesn't.

Mark (52:54):
Maybe Dougie goes to work in the bar.

Sarah (52:56):
Maybe.

Mark (52:57):
Maybe?

Sarah (52:59):
It's bad enough that you gotta go to the bar where the
killer's brother owns the place.Yeah.

Mark (53:03):
But to

Sarah (53:03):
have her husband working behind the bar. I can't imagine
Dougie would be very good athospitality.

Mark (53:08):
I don't think so. I think you're probably right.

Sarah (53:11):
What do you want? Get it yourself. Yeah. I don't boil
cabbage twice.

Mark (53:16):
So best corpse, of course, is Philip. Oh, yeah. Just does
amazing.

Sarah (53:20):
Well, he's the only one. Yeah. And epic. Next week,
season 4 episode 4, as ifnothing had happened.

Mark (53:27):
Yes. It's the McMansion with Frodo doing the yard work

Sarah (53:32):
near has yet another job.

Mark (53:34):
Near a old age home

Sarah (53:36):
Yes. Episode. They're fun. Alright. Until next time.

Mark (53:42):
Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (53:43):
Bye, maniacs.

Mark (53:44):
Thanks for joining us on the Mystery Maniacs podcast. If
you enjoyed our crazy podcasttoday, don't miss out on future
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Sarah (54:02):
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Mark (54:03):
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Sarah (54:04):
32. Hey, maniacs. Hey. Fail. Cough.

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