Episode 228 | Mystery Maniacs | The Brokenwood Mysteries | "As If Nothing Had Happened" | Gym Bag Batman & Edward Robin - Mystery Maniacs

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Sarah (00:00):
Woah. Bloomington.

Mark (00:01):
Woah. Woah.

Sarah (00:02):
They got pickleball.

Mark (00:03):
Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Okay.

Sarah (00:21):
Hey, maniacs.

Mark (00:22):
Hey, maniacs. Welcome to Mystery Maniacs, a comedy recap
podcast dedicated to mystery TV.Each week, we dig into an
episode of the show includingthe murders, the mayhem, the
loonies, and everything else welove. This week, Broken Woods
Mysteries as if nothing hadhappened. Season 4 episode 4.

(00:43):
I'm Mark.

Sarah (00:44):
I'm Sarah. Thanks for putting up with no episode last
week. You'd think havingtriplets over 20 years ago, I
wouldn't still be suffering. ButI tell you what, hernias are
real. Yep.
I've had it repaired, what, 3times?

Mark (00:58):
Three times. Yeah.

Sarah (00:59):
And when it's back, it's not it it hurts. It sucks. So
sorry about that. We wanted tobe here, but I really couldn't
move very well. So

Mark (01:09):
we're having a spoiler podcast here, so we give away
who

Sarah (01:13):
Who has a hernia? Me.

Mark (01:14):
Who has a hernia?

Sarah (01:15):
I spoiled that. No. We tell you who the killer is. If
you haven't watched, don'tlisten.

Mark (01:20):
If you let your kids go visit grandpa at the home and
him tough questions.

Sarah (01:25):
They can listen

Mark (01:25):
to this episode. Listen to this episode. So we've been
watching all creatures great andsmall, and I can't stop thinking
about Timothy West and SimonWest throughout the whole thing.

Sarah (01:36):
Sam?

Mark (01:36):
Yeah. Sam West.

Sarah (01:38):
Yeah. Just think about his dad.

Mark (01:39):
And he is a part Way

Sarah (01:41):
to bring it down, man.

Mark (01:42):
I don't I don't wanna spoil anything, but there's a
part about fatherhood that Simonthat Sam West is reading. He
must have known his dad was illat that

Sarah (01:52):
point. A good show. Yeah. If you're not watching it, you
should check it out.

Mark (01:55):
A good show. And though the thing about that I do wanna
spoil about all creatures greatand small is is all happy. Yeah.
It's it's during World War 2, soyou're, like, waiting. You're
waiting.

Sarah (02:08):
Somebody's gonna die. Someone's gonna die.

Mark (02:10):
The Nazis are gonna show up.

Sarah (02:12):
Yeah. It doesn't happen yet.

Mark (02:13):
Nope. Also this week, Acorn released what they're
gonna show in February, and thatincludes season 18 of Murdoch,
which is kinda crazy when yourealize that Murdoch's been
going 18 season.

Sarah (02:29):
I keep seeing discussions about whether it's done or not.

Mark (02:32):
Yeah. You know, we'll watch it because

Sarah (02:35):
Of course, we will. We'll watch as long as they release
it.

Mark (02:37):
We we will watch everything. But like father
Brown, they're they're kindarunning their course.

Sarah (02:43):
We recently watched a new episode of father Brown, and I
was not impressed.

Mark (02:48):
I I'm, excited to see Paul Sun Young Lee, who is from Kim's
Convenience. He's a He's onMurdoch. Canadian actor. He's on
Murdoch. So I'm eager to see theepisodes with him in it.
And there's a new show startingon 17th February on Acorn called

(03:08):
Remarkable Place to Die, whichwhat they should call it is
serious broken wood with a girl.

Sarah (03:16):
Oh. That's what it is. A woman detective?

Mark (03:19):
Woman detective who comes to a small town on the North
Island of New Zealand from thebig city and solve serious
crimes. Sounds good. It lookslike there are some lighter
elements in the episodes, butthere's also darker stuff that
isn't dealt with on broken wood.So so we'll have broken wood and

(03:42):
dark broken wood.

Sarah (03:43):
Okay. Sounds good. Newsletter comes out this week?

Mark (03:46):
It does indeed come out this week. And if you haven't
signed up for the newsletter,you can go to our website and
sign up for the newsletter orask me on any of the, social
medias of how to join thenewsletter.

Sarah (04:01):
Speaking of socials, we hit 250 members on our subreddit
this week. Which is crazy. It'sfun.

Mark (04:07):
That's fantastic. We're almost surpassing the broken
woods up.

Sarah (04:11):
Yeah. We're, like what do we have? Like, 80 members?

Mark (04:15):
Yeah. Less. 7,000 members on the Midsummer murders 1 now.
Yeah. It's fantastic how thathas come about, and we're gonna
try to do some more interactivethings on there that are less
show oriented and more, like,community people.
Yeah. So let's do our peoplethings.

Sarah (04:36):
Let's be people together.

Mark (04:37):
Yes. So this episode was originally aired on the 19th
November 2017. Mark Breezelydirected it, and it's written by
Tim Baum. Though I've said inthe past Tim Baum's getting
better at writing detectivestories. This one's a little
rough.

Sarah (04:53):
I don't think that the story is bad. The plot doesn't
have holes in it or anything,but it is exceptional cruelty
with an icing of funny over it.Yeah. Like, when we get to the
actual murder and the people whodid it, it is so much darker.

Mark (05:10):
The last the last 15 minutes are very dark.

Sarah (05:14):
Yeah. Yeah. But before we get there

Mark (05:16):
There's lots of funny.

Sarah (05:18):
We got Watterson's house. Yes. Did you notice the bird
statues in his yard?

Mark (05:23):
Wow. There are a lot of bird statues in his yard.

Sarah (05:26):
I don't think there are many. I think there are 3. I
just think you see them fromdifferent angles.

Mark (05:31):
Okay.

Sarah (05:32):
But did you notice what they are?

Mark (05:33):
No. What are they?

Sarah (05:35):
They're Maubirds, m a o. Maubirds. They're an extinct
species of bird Oh. That werenative to New Zealand that,
basically, humans killed all ofthem before 1300 AD.

Mark (05:49):
Okay. So they were killed off by Maori?

Sarah (05:52):
Yeah. I could not find anywhere saying that that Maori
birds and Maori are connected,but it seems to have the same
etymology.

Mark (05:59):
Seems to have similar roots.

Sarah (06:01):
Yeah. But, yeah, they were great big birds. And the
second biggest native bird, it'sa kiwi.

Mark (06:09):
That's the second Yeah.

Sarah (06:12):
Little bit. At least at that time.

Mark (06:15):
Oh my god.

Sarah (06:16):
So when the last, Malbird died, the kiwi was like, I'm
king of the roost now. I'm thebig bird.

Mark (06:23):
Look at my big beak. And the Maori are, like, holding
them in their hands.

Sarah (06:28):
If you if you've never seen an x-ray of a kiwi bird
with an egg in it, pause now andlook. It's amazing how much
their body is taken up by an eggbefore they lay an egg. It's
like 80% of their body.

Mark (06:44):
I'll see if I can find one and put it in the show notes.

Sarah (06:47):
There's tons of them out there because it's so crazy.
Like, their organs are moved tothe sides like when I was
pregnant with triplets.

Mark (06:54):
I can imagine.

Sarah (06:55):
Like, half your body weight is an egg. Oh. Yeah. So
he's got they're beautifulstatues.

Mark (07:00):
Well, he has a beautiful house, which he got from
stealing money from people.

Sarah (07:05):
Yeah.

Mark (07:06):
It is kind of glossed over, but not kind of glossed
over that he is in he's in this$1,000,000 house.

Sarah (07:12):
Yeah. Totally bought by ill gotten gains when he's got
tons of people he owes money towho all happen to live in the
same nursing home.

Mark (07:20):
Totally, like, give me your money. I'll give you a
return. Oops. I lost all yourmoney, but not really.

Sarah (07:26):
But here I go buying this house.

Mark (07:27):
Yeah. Like

Sarah (07:28):
Would you buy a house that close to the nursing home
where you ripped off all

Mark (07:32):
the people? I would not. I'd be thinking about moving.

Sarah (07:36):
Far away. Yeah. I mean, it's not like he wants to be
close to his dad in the nursinghome. He doesn't go to see him.
No.
And I don't know why he builtright there.

Mark (07:44):
I I don't know why he doesn't sell that asset.

Sarah (07:48):
He bought the house after he ripped people off. Oh, that's
it. With their money.

Mark (07:52):
Well, thank

Sarah (07:53):
you. To be, like, rubbing it in their face Yeah. By
building it basically next door.

Mark (07:58):
Thankfully, he gets a free lawn mower.

Sarah (08:01):
Frodo is not a good businessman. Later on, when he
has the coffee stand, he seemsto be doing a little bit
smarter, but first mow for free.I'm sorry. It's that may not be
good. No.

Mark (08:16):
I I think a a number of people offer that, but that's on
a regular sized lawn. Yeah. Thisguy has acres of lawn.

Sarah (08:24):
Yeah. Manicured lawn. Yes. With, like, bushes shaped,
like, cylinders.

Mark (08:29):
That's a whole day thing to get that house ready

Sarah (08:34):
Mhmm.

Mark (08:34):
Or at least half a day. Also, where is Frodo's truck?

Sarah (08:39):
Oh, he didn't have a truck. He just drives his
lawnmower around.

Mark (08:41):
Where is his wagon that has his lawnmower on it?

Sarah (08:46):
No. He just, you know, carries his weed whacker on his
back and drives the lawnmowerfrom place to place. I don't
know.

Mark (08:53):
He walks that lonely road alone?

Sarah (08:56):
With this black eye that he pretends isn't there. What?
Something wrong with my eye?
What? What are you talking about?

Mark (09:02):
Why would he, like, why would he not say

Sarah (09:06):
Boxing.

Mark (09:07):
I'm doing boxing now, and and I got jabbed.

Sarah (09:12):
Because Frodo has this inability to tell the truth,
especially when it would makehim look less suspicious.

Mark (09:21):
Well, luckily, he's prodding the dead body when the
wife shows up.

Sarah (09:26):
What would you have done? Would you just left him floating
and called the police?

Mark (09:31):
Okay. He has a knife in his back, and there's no blood
in the water. And he's notmoving. And he's not moving.
He's obviously dead, and this isobviously a crime scene.

Sarah (09:44):
You just called the police.

Mark (09:45):
I'm just calling the police. No matter how much I
love that person in the water,it's hard, but I want the person
who killed that person caught,and my part in that is to not
touch the scene.

Sarah (09:59):
Okay. Now pretend your IQ is half of what it is and put
yourself in Frodo's shoes. Oh.Get the pool.

Mark (10:05):
I'm getting the pool, man. Poking him.

Sarah (10:10):
And so not only do we have Frodo back, but we've got
Jules back.

Mark (10:15):
Yes. Jules She

Sarah (10:17):
she of the former husband who had the missing hand. Right?

Mark (10:20):
Yes.

Sarah (10:21):
And missus Marlow and Buchanan.

Mark (10:25):
Who is like and Jules Fahey has gone through a
personality change. Because inthe hand episode, she is the
hottest detratist ever. Yeah.She's like, Mike, you need to
stay over and comfort me in mybed with me comforting.

Sarah (10:43):
I think after your second husband is murdered, you kinda
can't play that game anymore.

Mark (10:48):
But then she turns into being the hero at the end
because she's gonna give as muchof the money as she can get back
to the people.

Sarah (10:56):
Because she doesn't wanna be ostracized anymore.

Mark (10:58):
Well, I also think that she doesn't wanna be, like, I'm
now responsible for thiscriminal organization. Yeah.
Yeah. There is. I'd have toprobably do something

Sarah (11:07):
there. I kinda feel like there's plenty, so it's not like
she's gonna be totally broke.Like, I give money back to the
people that I see every day.

Mark (11:16):
Yeah. And I do love how incredibly fickle Dennis is. I
hate her. She's the mosthorrible. Oh, I love her.

Sarah (11:24):
Give her a second chance. He's this typical stereotypical
skeezy lawyer. Right? SoWatterson is getting threatening
notes.

Mark (11:34):
In in in gym bags. Is that how you

Sarah (11:37):
Or wheelbarrows

Mark (11:39):
Yeah.

Sarah (11:39):
Or buckets or whatever you can fill with money, I
guess.

Mark (11:43):
After the first note shows up at my place in any sort of
receptacle, I'm getting somecameras. Now these cameras are
gonna pick up rotund Batman.It's what I'm gonna call him.

Sarah (12:01):
Gym bag Batman.

Mark (12:02):
Gym bag Batman. But at least they're gonna pick
something up.

Sarah (12:06):
I think we're supposed to assume that Watterson is too
cheap to get cameras because hethinks that he can just fend off
any attackers with his softballbat. I guess. He didn't he
didn't wanna pave somebody elseto mow his lawn because he was
too cheap. That's what Julessays. So

Mark (12:22):
Yeah. But that's, like again, he's a mister fancy man.
He he's con like, okay. We havea reasonably sized yard. Mhmm.
It takes over an hour to mow thefront and the back Mhmm. Plus
trim. Mhmm. I'd say it's a 2hour job considerably. This is
maybe 5 times larger than that.

(12:42):
Yeah. He he's not gonna do that.

Sarah (12:45):
Maybe he likes it.

Mark (12:46):
He's gonna have Frodo do it.

Sarah (12:48):
Just once. Just for free.

Mark (12:50):
Speaking of people showing up and being crazy, Gina.

Sarah (12:54):
Gina's in full effect in this episode. She is in full
Russian conspiracy line.

Mark (12:59):
Is, like, right into KGB assassination.

Sarah (13:03):
And I have been listening to way too many history podcasts
lately about the cold war. I'mlike, you go, Gina. You're
probably right. I just listenedto, like, a 7 hour podcast about
a tunnel under the Berlin Wall,and I'm like,
that's exactly what they would do.

Mark (13:19):
And then she just lists off a litany of weapons like
it's a thesaurus.

Sarah (13:24):
Why do Russians have so many kinds of special daggers?
It's a shashka. It's a Klitsch.It's a kunjali. It's this.
It's that. And she knows all ofthem apparently.

Mark (13:34):
So the kunjali is a double edged dagger used in the
Caucasus. Okay?

Sarah (13:41):
It looks Asian to me. Have you ever been to Mongolia?

Mark (13:44):
The Shamshir is a type of Persian or Iranian sword

Sarah (13:49):
Mhmm.

Mark (13:49):
That has a radical curve in it.

Sarah (13:52):
That's the moon shaped, kinda crescent shaped.

Mark (13:54):
And then a shashka is a kind of North Caucus sword
saber. They all look relativelysimilar.

Sarah (14:02):
So

Mark (14:02):
And nothing like what's stuck in the shape.

Sarah (14:05):
Is completely I mean, she can't see the blade, but, it's
certainly not 3 feet long andcurved.

Mark (14:11):
No. It's a it's a dagger.

Sarah (14:13):
It's a long dagger.

Mark (14:15):
Frodo's design game is always on point. He's got a
flyer. He's got his emailaddress at the bottom.

Sarah (14:22):
What's the name of his business now?

Mark (14:24):
Frodo's lawn care, garden care. Frodo garden care.

Sarah (14:28):
That's no fun. Yeah. It should be like Frodo's lawn of
the shire or

Mark (14:33):
something. Get your first mow for free from a black eyed
freak. I hit a branch while Iwas mowing. How fast do you go
on that thing? He's mowing fast.

Sarah (14:46):
That's how he does it. That's how he does all the free
lawn mowing with his lawnmower,his ride on, zoom zoom.

Mark (14:52):
And the k nine unit has found a clue.

Sarah (14:55):
I feel like if I were writing this, I would get to the
point where I'm like, okay. Weneed to somehow definitively
connect the crime scene to thenursing home. How are we gonna
do that? I know. Crime scenedog.
Yes. That'll do it. But thenGeorge, Batman

Mark (15:14):
Yes.

Sarah (15:15):
Jim Bad Batman is so huggy that he contaminates
everybody at the nursing home.So they all they all smell
surrender. Yeah. They all smelllike the back. You're doing an
awesome job.

Mark (15:27):
You do.

Sarah (15:28):
Yes. Right off the top, let's talk about dementia.

Mark (15:31):
Okay.

Sarah (15:31):
Let's decide right now whether or not this episode is
making fun of people withdementia.

Mark (15:37):
I don't think they're making fun of people with
dementia, but they sure usessome plot armor.

Sarah (15:42):
I don't think they're mocking dementia. I think
they're having fun with it, AndI don't know if that's okay or
not.

Mark (15:50):
Yeah. I don't think this show gets made now the way it
is.

Sarah (15:54):
I I think if I had a loved one who is suffering from
dementia, I probably wouldn'tfind it funny because I'd be
like, that's not what it's like.Yeah. And if it was like that,
it'd be a lot easier. Yeah. It'snot.
So we're just getting it off thetable right now.

Mark (16:08):
Yep.

Sarah (16:09):
We agree. You and I agree. It's kind of insensitive
about dementia.

Mark (16:14):
I agree.

Sarah (16:14):
Okay. That being said, they're having fun with it.

Mark (16:18):
Yes.

Sarah (16:18):
And we're just gonna go with that. Yes. Okay.

Mark (16:21):
Did you look at the weekly activity schedule? No. Monday is
quiz time and, also sit and befit.

Sarah (16:30):
Mhmm.

Mark (16:31):
Those are the activities on Monday. Tuesday, they do
group outings. Thursday is crafttime and rock rock painting.

Sarah (16:38):
Okay.

Mark (16:39):
Thursday, the whole day. Friday, the whole day, bingo.

Sarah (16:42):
All day bingo.

Mark (16:43):
I guess it's all day bingo. And Saturday, they have a
dance night.

Sarah (16:47):
Hey. That's not a bad week.

Mark (16:50):
It's not a bad week. I could go

Sarah (16:51):
for most of that stuff, to be honest. I mean, you and I
are only 5 years away from beingallowed to move into the
assisted living here inBloomington. Woah.
Woah. They got pickleball.

Mark (17:02):
Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Okay.
We are a 1000000 years fromthat.

Sarah (17:08):
No. They let yes. But they let you move in when you're
55.

Mark (17:13):
Yeah. No.

Sarah (17:16):
I don't wanna go there. I'm just saying. We could. They
call it Sunset Manor. It's atrope in TV to call nursing
homes things that sound like endof life.

Mark (17:25):
Yes. It

Sarah (17:26):
is. Like, withering life force manner or end of days rest
home. The moral coil. That mightbe a little bit on the nose. One
foot in the hole.
Yeah. But sunset well, I'm

Mark (17:43):
not The kicked bucket. Yeah. Welcome to the kicked
bucket.

Sarah (17:49):
That's no. That's a funeral home. Okay. Right? This
is the about to be kickedbucket.
The pre kicked bucket.

Mark (17:58):
So it's it's all in the

Sarah (17:59):
kick bucket. Twilight, sunset. Sunset.

Mark (18:03):
Yeah. There's no there's no old folks home called shining
dawn. Of course, that's aparamilitary organization from
the seventies.

Sarah (18:13):
But I'm so broken. You said doll, and I didn't know
where that word was gonna end.
I'm glad it was dawn. Like, that's a different kind of
nursing home, the shining dongnursing home.

Mark (18:27):
And they're on my brain because

Sarah (18:29):
What is? Dongs? No. Okay.

Mark (18:32):
Nursing homes. Nursing homes are on my brain because
I'm reading Thursday Murder Clubright now.

Sarah (18:39):
Oh, Richard Osmond. It's such a good book.

Mark (18:41):
It's such a good book. If you haven't read that book, you
should pick it up right away.

Sarah (18:45):
If you like the shows we cover, you'll love

Mark (18:47):
it. Yep. You'll absolutely love it, and they're Christopher
Columbus has made a movie fromit, and I cannot wait to see it.
And I'm, like, 50 pages intothis book. Mhmm.
So Well, I've read

Sarah (18:57):
I've read all of them, and I can say they're all good.

Mark (19:00):
I gotta say 50 pages in, no one's dead yet.

Sarah (19:03):
It happens. Don't worry about it.
You're like, it's twilight, people. Come on. But
it's set
in a in a old folks home. That's why it's making you think
of it. Yes. Watterson's deadwith this dagger in his back
Yes. Floating face down in thewater, mere blocks away from the
nursing home where his dadlives.

Mark (19:23):
Yes. Whose name is Pummel, which is unfortunate.

Sarah (19:27):
It's his nickname.

Mark (19:28):
Bad nickname to have.

Sarah (19:30):
He never takes off his boxing robe with Pummel on the
back. Yep. I don't know. I thinkpummel's a pretty good Nick
boxing nickname.

Mark (19:37):
Oh, I'm not gonna change much when I'm older. I'm sorry.
There might be a Leafs jersey inyour future that stays on for a
long time.

Sarah (19:46):
No. It needs to be a Leaf's bathrobe that you have to
wear every day, all day. Theyhave so much fun with the
characters in this nursing home.So there's you're doing an
awesome job.

Mark (20:00):
Yes.

Sarah (20:00):
I love dogs. Yes. The gambler.

Mark (20:05):
The the gambling lady who's like, where did Trudy go?

Sarah (20:09):
I'm not saying a thing until Trudy comes back. It's
gonna be a while. She's inprison.

Mark (20:13):
She killed a guy

Sarah (20:14):
in the last episode. I love Margaret. She just says yes
to everything

Mark (20:18):
Yes.

Sarah (20:19):
And goes on that walker at 90 miles an hour. Yes.
Now you're being Margaret. You keep saying it
too.
My grandmother was like that on her walker. She was so
fast. She got her kneesreplaced, and she could go fast
down the hallway of the nursinghome.

Mark (20:39):
So what what kind

Sarah (20:40):
of saw that she just smiles and says, yes. Yes.

Mark (20:44):
So what kind of nursing home attendant, nursing home
resident do you think I'm gonnabe like? Because I'm closer to
this sunset twilight thing.

Sarah (20:56):
So my theory is that when you get to a certain age, if
your mental health is at acertain level, that your filters
come off in a similar way towhen you're kinda buzzed. Yep.
So however you are when you'reslightly drunk is probably how
you'll be when you're old. Ifthat's accurate, you will be

(21:17):
super funny. You'll be reallygiggly and funny and way easy to
get along with and really nice.

Mark (21:24):
I hope so. I can't wait.

Sarah (21:26):
You're not a grumpy drunk.

Mark (21:27):
Man, I got so much stuff to do.

Sarah (21:31):
And and how will I be?

Mark (21:33):
You'll be quiet and make do lots of crafts. And tell me
about how all the people down inthe cafeteria are all so
horrible. But you won't say thatto their faces or anything

Sarah (21:49):
like that. Me.

Mark (21:50):
But but you will.

Sarah (21:51):
That's what you think I'll be like.

Mark (21:52):
But you'll be like, that person is just I don't like.

Sarah (21:57):
I'm a gossip. Is that what you're saying?

Mark (21:59):
No. You won't be a gossip. You won't be telling other
people that.

Sarah (22:03):
But Just you.

Mark (22:04):
But you will be frustrated by them. And, like, your
grandmother will call them theold people no matter how old
they are in relation to you.

Sarah (22:15):
But I won't I won't kill nearly as many as my grandma
did.

Mark (22:19):
And that's our true crime podcast.

Sarah (22:22):
I think I mentioned it before.

Mark (22:23):
I think we did.

Sarah (22:24):
Edward, who we have seen a few times before, recurring
character Yes. Missus Mallory'sfriend, is in the home, and he
has really taken a turn betweenepisodes. I don't know what
happened between going to thecar show and now, but But I do
like he went downhill fast.

Mark (22:41):
I do like that there is progression of the minor
characters here.

Sarah (22:46):
Yeah. It's just his is

Mark (22:47):
Downhill fast.

Sarah (22:49):
Really steep because he goes from, let's go to the car
show to I probably I don't know.

Mark (22:55):
Well, his synesthesia and forgetfulness is played as
funny, and now it's a seriousillness.

Sarah (23:01):
Well, his siblings are looking out for him.

Mark (23:04):
They are.

Sarah (23:05):
Right? So Katherine Sort of.

Mark (23:07):
And Wes,

Sarah (23:08):
they're looking out for him.

Mark (23:09):
Now okay. To this to this point, like, quite a quite a bit
into the episode, I'm like, whowho did it? I'm still

Sarah (23:22):
I remembered who did it.

Mark (23:23):
I I did not remember

Sarah (23:25):
who did it. They show you pretty early on because the
person who did it, the peoplewho did it, are the only 2 who
don't have dementia. Yes.

Mark (23:34):
That's true.

Sarah (23:35):
That's how you know.

Mark (23:36):
Or I'm giving dementia.

Sarah (23:38):
Because I don't consider Pummel to be the killer. No. Wes
and Catherine are the killers.

Mark (23:43):
Pummel is

Sarah (23:45):
through conspiracy theories,

Mark (23:46):
he is victimized into killing his son because he
thinks it's someone else.

Sarah (23:52):
But Edward well, first of all, they think missus Mallory
is a money grubber.

Mark (23:56):
Yeah. Like, have you met met?

Sarah (23:57):
Have you met her? But he Edward tells Mike and Sims,
like, right off the bat, I makea run for it every night. He
does.

Mark (24:11):
He absolutely does.

Sarah (24:12):
But he has helped him and Batman go out every night. Like,
he's telling the truth.

Mark (24:18):
Jim Begg, Batman and him. I wonder in the name. That that
is something. I know they'regonna have to be careful with me
because I'm gonna be like, it'stime to go wandering.

Sarah (24:31):
I just went for a walk. Yeah. I I don't know where I am
now when they say, oh, we lostMark. No. He's not dead.
We just lost him again. Okay.Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mark (24:43):
My my dad was the kind of retired person who left the
house in the morning and told mymom, I'm going to get a coffee,
and he come home for dinner.

Sarah (24:53):
Yeah. And she knew that's what he was gonna be like.

Mark (24:55):
That that's what he was like.

Sarah (24:56):
My dad

Mark (24:57):
does it. Run into somebody

Sarah (24:59):
he knew.
My dad does it. He has his rounds. Yeah. You know? He
goes to the dollar store.
He goes to the McDonald's. Heyou know?

Mark (25:08):
I am

Sarah (25:08):
He's got his rounds that he makes.

Mark (25:10):
I definitely have that old guy in me.

Sarah (25:13):
Oh, I know. It comes out some days. So Edward's brother
and sister is super protectiveof him. Telegraphs like like,
Wes is nice, and he clearly hasthe lay of the land. And he
kinda takes Mike aside a fewtimes and, like, gives him the
scoop on, you know, man to man.

(25:33):
This is what's going on. And youlike him, but you also know,
having watched any number ofthese shows, that whoever is
trying to ingratiate themselveswith the cops, they did it.
Yeah. They're staying close tothe investigation because they
did

Mark (25:47):
it. Absolutely.

Sarah (25:49):
So that's why I I didn't need I didn't have any trouble
remembering who did it from thefirst time I watched it. But the
first time they tell Pummel thathis son is dead and he cries, it
is heartbreaking.

Mark (26:00):
Pummel is a good very good actor. So good. He does such a
good job.

Sarah (26:05):
He's played by Ian Mune. He's been in lots of other stuff
that we don't know anythingabout. Yeah. But wow. When he
starts crying, my Cassius.

Mark (26:14):
Yep. It's super good.

Sarah (26:16):
Heartbreaking. And then you're kind of relieved that he
snaps out of it and doesn'tremember. Yeah. Like, oh, okay.
That's over.
Because, wow, if he was that sadthe whole episode, like, that'd
be so painful to watch.

Mark (26:29):
Yes. I have in my notes. This is so sad.

Sarah (26:34):
And then you get George just hugging everybody. You're
doing an amazing job.

Mark (26:38):
So who is George?

Sarah (26:40):
So George is Kahu's uncle.

Mark (26:43):
Yes.

Sarah (26:43):
And I think he's the relative that Kahu and Jared
have in common.

Mark (26:49):
Yes. I think so.

Sarah (26:50):
Yeah. And played by an actor who is totally bald and
shaves his head and has thisweird side hair, like, stuck to
his head to play this part. Yes.

Mark (27:01):
It's very weird. And he says that everybody's doing a
great job and hugs everybody.

Sarah (27:07):
He's so sweet.

Mark (27:08):
If I if I'm gonna fake dementia, that's the kind of
dementia I'm gonna fake.

Sarah (27:12):
What? Being nice?

Mark (27:13):
Yes.

Sarah (27:15):
I don't know. If I'm gonna fake dementia, it's gonna
be to get away with stuff. I'dI'd What's what's in your purse,
Sarah? I don't know. Why is allthat candy in there?
I don't know. I'm old. I don't remember.

Mark (27:32):
I just kinda took it.

Sarah (27:34):
It's mine.

Mark (27:34):
I guess

Sarah (27:35):
it's mine.

Mark (27:36):
I

Sarah (27:36):
mean, I'm gonna get away with stuff I wanna get away
with.

Mark (27:38):
I did not know how ahead of her time Gina was. She's
closed her Facebook account.

Sarah (27:44):
And told her mother not to call her anymore. Just in
case. Oh my gosh. If there wasactually a Russian agent in
broken wood,
Gina would be so excited.
If there was real espionage going on, she would be
so on it. I feel like she has awhole set of skills that we

(28:07):
don't know about.

Mark (28:08):
Yes. You

Sarah (28:09):
know what I mean? Like, it would be Do you remember do
you remember in the tick? Do dodo There was that character, the
sewer

(28:33):
espionage

Mark (28:34):
person. Up a desk drawer, and there are, like, 16
passports and a gun in there.

Sarah (28:39):
Five different knives and secret phones and everything
else.
Yeah.
Like, there's a backstory there that we don't know about.
Maybe they'll reveal it at somepoint, but the fact that she
knows all these daggers leads meto believe that she studied up
on stuff.

Mark (28:53):
So Wes owned a gym with Pummel. Mhmm. And his sister
paints. Badly. Badly.
Like, the paintings they showlater are much better.

Sarah (29:05):
That tree is bad.

Mark (29:06):
That's a that's a bad tree.

Sarah (29:08):
I don't even care about the color. Yeah. Be
expressionist with your colors.It doesn't it doesn't do a tree
justice.

Mark (29:16):
And we find out there's a class action suit against the
dead guy

Sarah (29:20):
Yeah.

Mark (29:21):
Led by our friend, Dennis Buchanan.

Sarah (29:25):
They go on and on about how secure the nursing home is.
We know that it's not. Right?

Mark (29:30):
No one it is the most unsecure thing ever.

Sarah (29:33):
But they're talking to Lydia, who's the manager of the
nursing home. Yes. The cops areabout how many doors are locked
and how they right? Then Kahuwalks in the door to take his
uncle out for a walk. Yep.
And doesn't sign him up.Doesn't. Doesn't do anything.
They just leave. Like, Lydia wasjust right there saying they
have to sign out

Mark (29:54):
Yeah.

Sarah (29:55):
And sign back in, and then he doesn't.

Mark (29:57):
And there appears to be no locks on any of the doors they
think they are except for thestoreroom.

Sarah (30:03):
Yeah. Otherwise, just in and out anytime you want.

Mark (30:07):
So how does Christopher Kramer get involved again? He
lives. But does he call thecops?

Sarah (30:13):
No. He, Breen is doing a door to door.

Mark (30:16):
That's right.

Sarah (30:16):
Breen is

Mark (30:17):
doing a door to door.

Sarah (30:18):
And comes up to Kramer's house. Now which completely
blacked out.

Mark (30:23):
We've had Wiggy. We've had Wigtown because remember, Breen
said that somebody lived inWigtown. Yeah. But now we're in
planet Wiggy. This is a wholeplanet of Wiggy.

Sarah (30:37):
If you're gonna block out your front door, your glass
front door, and leave just,like, a little letter box where
you can see. Why would you putit at waist height? I mean, I
realized that's where letterboxes are because that makes it
easy to put the letter through,but it's not a letter box. It's
a peephole, and you should putit at eye height. Kramer looks
like Timothee Chalamet.

Mark (30:56):
He does. He is he's discount Timothee Chalamet.
Absolutely. And we have discountBatman in this episode too. We
have a lot of discount count.

Sarah (31:06):
You've got dollar store Batman. You've got slight
discount, Timothee Chalamet. Ifyou don't know who Timothee
Chalamet is, he is the mainactor in the new Dune series. He
played Willy Wonka in the newCharlie's Choco Factory movie.

Mark (31:23):
Jay, he's Bob Dylan in the new Bob Dylan movie.

Sarah (31:26):
And he was in, Wes Anderson couple of Wes Anderson
movies. And yeah. He's a young,very handsome actor with a very
square jaw.

Mark (31:35):
Yes. The kids do love him right now. He's popular.

Sarah (31:39):
If you're under 25, oh, Timothy Chalamet. We're too old
for that. But Kramer, the guywho plays Kramer, his name is
Milo Cawthorn. He looks a lotlike Tim. He does.
He could've showed up at thatTimothy Chalamet look alike
contest.

Mark (31:54):
He could've. Did you notice how pale Breen is in this
scene? He's like whitey whitewhite.

Sarah (32:00):
Okay. He's a redhead. He is pale. It's what he is.

Mark (32:05):
Speak well and it's not the wind. Like, it's cold out
again.

Sarah (32:11):
Yeah. When when Sims and Kahu are at the park, you can
see their breath. Yeah. TheDucks are doing an amazing job.
He's, you know, he's faking it.
He's doing a really good he's doing an amazing job. He's
sticking with the bed. In.
And then we find out about Klisnick.

Mark (32:32):
Yes.

Sarah (32:33):
Pummel is angry about Klisnick.

Mark (32:35):
Yes.

Sarah (32:36):
Bloody Klisnick. And we find out that he is somebody who
broke Pummel's undefeatedrecord.

Mark (32:44):
Yes.

Sarah (32:44):
And he was the last person that he ever boxed.

Mark (32:47):
And stole his wife.

Sarah (32:48):
And stole his wife. Well, he didn't steal her. She went
with him. He's got a bit of agrudge against Kliznik.

Mark (32:54):
He does. So that preps us. Mhmm. Then we go back to Batman.
Because now we have video ofBatman, and the biggest problem
I have with this episode is theysee the video of Batman.
Okay?

Sarah (33:09):
Mhmm.

Mark (33:10):
And they could I think it's Sims goes, that could be
anybody at the old age home. I'mlike, no. No. It couldn't. It's
not Margaret.
It's not Margaret.

Sarah (33:23):
Batman with a walker.

Mark (33:24):
No. It's it's not, the missus m's friend. No. He
doesn't have that building.

Sarah (33:33):
It's not Edward. It's it's pummel or You can see the
baldness of his head

Mark (33:38):
Yeah.

Sarah (33:38):
On the top.

Mark (33:39):
Like, it's pretty easy to guess

Sarah (33:41):
who he is. Down. Yeah. Yeah. It's George.
George is is Jim Bag Batman.

Mark (33:47):
Yes.

Sarah (33:48):
Which is just so fun to say. Meanwhile

Mark (33:52):
I have in my notes. No. It's pummel or George.

Sarah (33:56):
Meanwhile, Edward is stuck in Pluto. Yes. I killed
him with a rope in the library.

Mark (34:01):
Yes.

Sarah (34:01):
I killed him with a pipe in the kitchen.

Mark (34:03):
There's a reference in that scene to strip jack.

Sarah (34:06):
Yeah. The other old lady likes to play strip jack. The
one who liked to play, with,Trudy.

Mark (34:13):
So strip jack is a card game for kids, which other names
include beggar my neighbor orbeat your neighbor out of doors.

Sarah (34:25):
Like, beat your neighbor outside?

Mark (34:27):
I guess.

Sarah (34:28):
Wait a minute. It's a strip game for kids?

Mark (34:31):
Oh, okay. It's called strip jack, but that has nothing
to do it's not like strip poker.

Sarah (34:36):
Oh, okay. Okay. I was like, these are kids taking
their clothes off outside,playing cards. This is wrong.

Mark (34:43):
Conversely, strip poker always, for me, seemed like a
complicated way to get people toget undressed.

Sarah (34:50):
Yeah.

Mark (34:51):
When this is a much easier game, it's a lot like war.

Sarah (34:54):
Right? Okay.

Mark (34:55):
You try to to flip cards over until there's a face card,
and then they have to do acertain thing

Sarah (35:01):
Take off their clothes. Card,

Mark (35:03):
and whoever's left wins the game. Okay. Like, it would
the game would finish quicklyand has ample opportunity for
clothing removal. If you're notkids.

Sarah (35:16):
Or neighbors. It's beggar your neighbor. Right? Not bugger
your

Mark (35:19):
neighbor.

Sarah (35:20):
No. It's beat your neighbor. Oh, beat your
neighbor?

Mark (35:24):
Yes. Or or beggar, my neighbor.

Sarah (35:26):
I would say, you said beggar before. I am sure. I
didn't invent that. I didn'tturn beat into bugger.

Mark (35:33):
I love how Christopher Kramer has a space blanket.

Sarah (35:38):
You have a space blanket?
I can go with you.

Mark (35:40):
And then we find out that Breen believes in aliens.

Sarah (35:44):
I believe in aliens.

Mark (35:45):
I know. So do I.

Sarah (35:47):
I don't think they visited us, but I think they
must be out there.

Mark (35:50):
I love how how Kramer's like, the aliens are back. Yeah.
Breeze like, turn them on. Turnthem on. Oh, yeah.
Turn them on. Turn them offagain.

Sarah (36:00):
Is he being controlled by aliens? Before that though, Gina
shows up at the police stationwith her big theory and stabs
Sims in the back with a rulerYes. And says, if the victim was
kneeling, it could have beendone by a dwarf. She's got she's
got a KGB file all ready to go.

Mark (36:18):
The the funny thing is she's as crazy as Kramer.

Sarah (36:22):
They should never meet.

Mark (36:24):
No. Never. No. Definitely not. Breen has a an anniversary
coming up also.
4 years with Roxy. And he'sbought her a

Sarah (36:34):
don't get to see.

Mark (36:35):
No. He's bought her a

Sarah (36:36):
If you go out for your anniversary, you arrive
together. Yeah. They livetogether. Why don't they get to
the restaurant together? I don'tknow.
So we can't see her.

Mark (36:45):
That's why. He's purchased her a gift.

Sarah (36:48):
An Xbox.

Mark (36:48):
That's what

Sarah (36:49):
she wants.

Mark (36:49):
It's what she wants because she loves the moral
combat.

Sarah (36:55):
Hey. At least it's not like stripper simulator or
something.

Mark (36:58):
No. I think it's I think it's a way for them to make fun
of Breen that is that peoplethat age would make fun of him
make fun of him, but is it anactual, like He's buying her
something he knows she wants.She wants that.

Sarah (37:15):
Now the question is, what does she get him? Yeah. Does she
get him something stupid

Mark (37:20):
or something come back.

Sarah (37:22):
Or something he actually wants? Yeah. We don't know.

Mark (37:24):
We don't know.

Sarah (37:25):
We don't know whether she's a good girlfriend or not.

Mark (37:27):
We go to the brothers and sisters' place to get some
clues. The clues are thepaintings.

Sarah (37:35):
You think the clue is the knife.

Mark (37:37):
You think it is, but it's not that.

Sarah (37:39):
Because you think it's not gonna be there. Yeah. But it
is. But it's not

Mark (37:44):
you're like, oh, well, then obviously

Sarah (37:46):
I guess I was wrong about that.

Mark (37:48):
Guess they didn't do it. So she has 3 portraits. She has
Edmund Hillary, who's the NewZealander who climbed Everest
first.

Sarah (37:58):
Mhmm.

Mark (37:59):
Which I even hate saying that. The 1st westerner

Sarah (38:02):
Yeah.

Mark (38:03):
To climb Everest.

Sarah (38:04):
Right. Like, it's He had guides Yeah. Who had been there
before.

Mark (38:09):
Who had been there before. And then she has Helen Clark
who's the 37th prime minister ofNew Zealand, the first women
prime minister, Tola, andKatherine Shepherd, which she
says is a relative of Mike's.

Sarah (38:24):
She paints landscapes and up close portraits. Yes. Really
up close portraits.

Mark (38:31):
So Katherine Shepherd was a suffragette, and she moved
from England basically to starta suffragette movement in a
place that hadn't had one.

Sarah (38:40):
Was that before or after women got to vote in Great
Britain? Before. Oh, so theyweren't making any traction in
the UK, so she went to NewZealand to try it there.

Mark (38:50):
Think so. I need to do more reading up on it. But but
she is the coolest monumentthing ever.

Sarah (38:58):
Okay.

Mark (38:59):
So there's a whole square for her named the shepherd
square around the New Zealandparliament.

Sarah (39:05):
Mhmm.

Mark (39:05):
So it's it's got all these plants and monuments and all
this stuff. But the 8intersections around it, the
walk sign in the little walkdon't walk

Sarah (39:18):
Mhmm.

Mark (39:18):
Is a portrait of her like a silhouette of her walking.

Sarah (39:22):
What's the don't walk? I don't know.

Mark (39:24):
Oh. Probably says don't walk, hopefully.

Sarah (39:27):
So she gives you permission to walk. But she's

Mark (39:30):
she I'll I'll put a picture of it in

Sarah (39:32):
the That's awesome.

Mark (39:33):
Show notes. But I bet she's the only human that has
that memorial to them.

Sarah (39:39):
That has a walk sign figure Yeah. Based on them.

Mark (39:44):
Yeah.

Sarah (39:44):
Unless there's a really odd circle headed rectangle body
person out there.

Mark (39:50):
I don't know. Joe Schmoe.

Sarah (39:52):
They could be based on somebody, and we just don't know
it.

Mark (39:55):
We could.

Sarah (39:55):
They just I think if we saw them, we'd know. They're
pretty weird looking. But Like,

Mark (40:00):
that that has to be a super unique thing in the world.

Sarah (40:04):
That's cool. Yeah. I I think that the coolest walk
signs I've seen were ones whereinstead of just walking, the
figure danced.

Mark (40:13):
Yes. And I like those. But this

Sarah (40:16):
But but not they didn't look like

Mark (40:18):
this specific person. Cool.

Sarah (40:19):
That's neat.

Mark (40:21):
I I thought I I was going through a Wikipedia page, and
I'm like, why is there

Sarah (40:25):
a stoplight? Yeah.

Mark (40:29):
And then I knew. I was like, oh, okay.

Sarah (40:31):
Cool. So the knife that kills Watterson is a knife that
Pummel got as a gift from aboxer that he beat called Yes.
Hashimoto Jones. Yes. AndHashimoto also gave Wes,
Pummel's coach, a knife too.

Mark (40:48):
So there's 2 of these knives.

Sarah (40:50):
I'm glad that they don't let Pummel have it in the sheath
on

Mark (40:53):
the wall in his room. Yeah.

Sarah (40:56):
That's a good choice.

Mark (40:57):
That's a good choice.

Sarah (40:59):
I don't trust Pummel with a knife for obvious reasons.

Mark (41:04):
And Pummel, like like, no one comes out and says it, but,
basically, it's implied that alifetime of boxing

Sarah (41:12):
Yeah.

Mark (41:13):
Has made you have dementia and violent episodes. He has he
has a violent episode that's notrelated to anything.

Sarah (41:22):
Well, does he? Because he keeps saying I killed Kliznik,
and he thinks he did.

Mark (41:27):
Yes.

Sarah (41:27):
It is related.

Mark (41:28):
It's it's obviously him trying to deal with it.

Sarah (41:31):
But many older boxers I mean, Muhammad Ali developed
Parkinson's from boxing. Right?Yeah. From the brain injuries.
So

Mark (41:40):
The the effects of repeated knocking on the brain
are something that sports isonly beginning to understand,
not to get on a soapbox, but theNHL does not do enough about it.
No. And they should do more.It's just it's plain and simple.
You get your brain knockedaround in the brain.

Sarah (42:02):
Gonna do damage to it.

Mark (42:03):
It's gonna do damage to it.

Sarah (42:05):
Edward should have a Robin costume. Don't you think?

Mark (42:11):
That would be the best.

Sarah (42:14):
Because George is leaving. Yeah. He keep Edward
keeps showing up to go with him.

Mark (42:18):
It never says, why do you have a Batman costume?

Sarah (42:21):
Never. It never says that. He's just like, okay. You
want me to wait under thislight? Okay.
He should be standing there in aRobin costume.

Mark (42:29):
That would be fantastic.

Sarah (42:31):
That would be awesome. And it wouldn't give anything
away. They would just be like,Edward's crazy. I don't know
what he's talking about. I couldkiss you, Gina.
Why don't you? And he's he'sgone before she even says it.

Mark (42:42):
In an instant. Instant

Sarah (42:43):
I'm surprised she doesn't close her eyes and stick her
lips out.

Mark (42:47):
And then we have the saddest 20 minutes of the
episode.

Sarah (42:51):
Oh my gosh. It is probably the cruelest murder
we've ever covered. It's gottabe in the top 5. It's horrible.
And yet and I don't fault themfor it.
The way they treat it in theepisode does not confront that.
If they did, it would clash sobadly with the rest of the

(43:11):
episode, so I don't blame themfor doing it. But wow. When the
writer thought, I know I'll havethe brother and sister tell the
most dementia overwhelmedpatient

Mark (43:24):
Who is the son of the murder victim.

Sarah (43:26):
The father of the murder victim.

Mark (43:28):
I'm sorry.

Sarah (43:28):
Father. We will trick this poor dementia laden man
into killing his own son. Yeah.Because we can. Because he won't
remember.
Because he won't know what he'sdoing.

Mark (43:42):
Over money.

Sarah (43:43):
Over money. Now they're not doing it out of greed. No.
No. They've been betrayed.
They deserve to be very angry.But to take advantage of a
vulnerable person like that whenyou are perfectly fit and could
stab him yourself.

Mark (43:59):
I I'm gonna say they deserve to be angry, but they
live in a nice house in a niceneighborhood. They still have a
lot of their life.

Sarah (44:09):
Yeah. They may be renting, but they're not
homeless.

Mark (44:12):
They're not homeless.

Sarah (44:13):
One of them doesn't have cancer and can't afford
treatment or something becauseof him. Like Investment involves
risk.

Mark (44:19):
Yep. So you say it's not greed, and I agree with that,
but it's almost kinda greed.

Sarah (44:24):
But they're not doing it to get money, I guess, is what
I'm saying.

Mark (44:27):
No. No.

Sarah (44:28):
But I think what they're thinking is they're thinking of
pummel like a weapon that theycan use without any guilt. We
didn't do it. Yeah. He did it.Yeah.
And I think they think that ifWatterson turned around and saw
who was stabbing him, that hewould see his dad, and he
wouldn't fight him. Yeah. Butthey hate each other. But

(44:49):
they're so It's so callous.

Mark (44:52):
So callous and calculated. It's horrible.

Sarah (44:55):
Wes is perfectly fit enough to stab Watterson in the
back. Yep. They could have doneit themselves. They did not need
to involve him. No.
It is absolutely cruel.

Mark (45:04):
Yep. They they involved him

Sarah (45:07):
Because they could.

Mark (45:08):
To make it more cruel.

Sarah (45:10):
Yeah. Yeah. And really cruel to somebody who had
nothing to do with it. Yeah.Because Watterson never knew it
was on his own dad stabbing him.
He didn't know. But now Pummelhas to live with it. And he may
not remember it completely, butit clearly haunts him.

Mark (45:24):
And then we have a weird montage of scenes at the end
that are both heartwarming andincredibly sad. Yeah. So we
have, what's her name, the wife,and Dennis say they're gonna
release the funds. Mhmm. They'regonna find the funds and release
them to the people.
So if they had waited 2 weeks,all this would have been done.

(45:46):
Or no. No. No. Sorry.

Sarah (45:48):
Because Watterson would have never done it. Right? Mhmm.
But they if they had killed him,it would have happened. They
didn't need to involve Pummel.

Mark (45:55):
Then we have missus m reading to Edward, which is the
sweetest thing ever.

Sarah (46:00):
Yeah. Because they're all escape books. Yeah. But yeah. It
they're clearly friends.

Mark (46:08):
Like, it's so sweet. And then we have Breen with his
giant Xbox waiting on Roxy.

Sarah (46:17):
Is she gonna show?

Mark (46:18):
I think so.

Sarah (46:19):
Okay.

Mark (46:20):
She's involved with him later on when he leaves.

Sarah (46:22):
Given her the present at home He could've. After dinner
or something.

Mark (46:26):
He dresses up nice. He at least he sees it as an occasion.

Sarah (46:30):
And Sims goes to play chess with Kahu in his bathroom.

Mark (46:35):
With the with the subtle indication that maybe this is a
door opening here.

Sarah (46:40):
In his bathroom.

Mark (46:42):
Into his bathroom.

Sarah (46:43):
It's right inside the door. His shower is fricked
there. It's weird. He's a puttogether guy, though.

Mark (46:48):
He is.

Sarah (46:49):
I like him.

Mark (46:50):
I do too.

Sarah (46:51):
Too bad he doesn't, like, come back or whatever.

Mark (46:53):
No. He goes away. He goes away.

Sarah (46:56):
Unexplained he goes away.

Mark (46:58):
I well, we don't know if it's unexplained goes away.

Sarah (47:01):
There's a little

Mark (47:01):
extra time. Watching through these shows, I'm like,
oh, yeah. I forgot thathappened. Edward showing up,
like, 5 times. I forgot aboutthat.

Sarah (47:10):
Wes and Catherine are in the cells. They had better due
time.

Mark (47:14):
Oh, yeah.

Sarah (47:15):
Because they committed murder. They used Pummel as a
weapon. They used a vulnerableperson as a weapon.

Mark (47:20):
And I think even Dennis, who is not the best lawyer,
could argue that Pummel doesn't

Sarah (47:27):
That he's he's innocent.

Mark (47:28):
He's innocent.

Sarah (47:29):
He has no idea what he did. Yeah. And would not have
been there if it weren't forthem and would not have done it
if they hadn't tricked him andyeah. But then when Mike is
sitting with Pummel in the gymYeah. It's so sweet.

Mark (47:41):
It is.

Sarah (47:42):
Because, you know, if he was gonna arrest him, he'd be
doing it. Yep. He's not gonna dothat.

Mark (47:47):
He's not gonna do that. And the last thing I have is
Pummel is such a good actor.Yeah. That's why I have in my
notes.

Sarah (47:53):
Really, really good actor. It's a fun episode with a
really sad end. It's just cruelis the only word I can think of.
It just and sad becauseKatherine and Wes aren't like
you said, they're not doing thatbad. It's unfortunate that
they're not having theirretirement that they planned,
but there are brother and sistersharing a house.

(48:14):
She gets to paint all day. Yep.Neither of them is going and
working at McDonald's or Walmartor something.

Mark (48:20):
Even if they are, they're still alive and

Sarah (48:23):
young and But now they're gonna go to prison

Mark (48:25):
Yeah.

Sarah (48:26):
At their age.

Mark (48:27):
Now they're going

Sarah (48:27):
to prison.

Mark (48:28):
Gonna be fun. No.

Sarah (48:29):
Not at all. Do you

Mark (48:29):
think Wes is gonna run the gym in the prison? Probably.
Yeah.

Sarah (48:32):
Because he's kind of fundamentally a good guy. He's
that guy. I'm actually

Mark (48:38):
would have thought that he may be fed. Maybe we shouldn't
do this.

Sarah (48:43):
Maybe he'll throw her under the bus in court.

Mark (48:45):
Maybe. I would have.

Sarah (48:46):
My big sister made me do it. You're 70 years old. Yeah.
So she's still my big sister.She bullied me.
I don't know.

Mark (48:53):
Well, big sisters can be like that.

Sarah (48:56):
That is as if nothing had happened.

Mark (48:59):
Which and I don't like the title either.

Sarah (49:02):
Mhmm. Because something did happen. Yeah. Nobody's
actually gonna forget it. Wehave ended on such a down note.

Mark (49:09):
We have, but what we're talking

Sarah (49:11):
about dongs and buggers, and now we're talking about
cruelty of vulnerable people.

Mark (49:16):
So the the newsletter comes out on the 5th February,
and on 10th February, we will bestarting season 5 episode 1,
scared to death. Mhmm. It's gota carnival. It's got carnies.
It's got a haunted house.
Baby, you're talking my languageright there. Then February 17th,

(49:39):
a week later, we get the brideepisode. If you remember, that
bride episode is bonkers.

Sarah (49:45):
Every show like Midsummer and Brokenwood and Murdoch has a
carnival episode and a weddingepisode. Yep. You just have to
do it. Yep. I'm all about it.
So until then.

Mark (49:59):
Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (50:01):
Bye, maniacs.

Mark (50:02):
Thanks for joining us on the Mystery Maniacs podcast. If
you enjoyed our crazy podcasttoday, don't miss out on future
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The next newsletter comes out onthe 5th November.

Sarah (50:24):
You mean February?

Mark (50:25):
February. Why don't

Sarah (50:26):
you try that again?

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