Frodolicious Mother-Farkler | Brokenwood | Motorcycle Mamas | Mystery Maniacs Podcast EP254

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Mystery Maniacs Episode! In Podcast 254, a killer armed with a car tire cake, a Ren and Stimpy reference, forces someone off the road and into a creek. The return of Horrible Movies: Has Mark Seen it?

Show Notes

Corduroy Roads

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corduroy_road

Happy Happy Joy Joy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maCA67ZFWpo

Fast & Femme

Episode Transcript

Sarah (00:00):
Might be, but he's in his helmet. Hey, maniacs.

Mark (00:20):
Hey, mystery maniacs.

Sarah (00:22):
You should insert motorcycle here.

Mark (00:24):
Can we insert incredibly bad cover versions? Oh. Sure. I
mean. Mystery Maniacs is acomedy recap podcast dedicated
to mystery TV.
Each week we dig into an episodeof the show including the
murders, the mayhem, theloonies, and everything else we
love.

Sarah (00:42):
This week, Brokenwood season nine episode six.

Mark (00:46):
Motorcycle mamas. I'm Mark and my motorcycle name is Mad
Dog.

Sarah (00:54):
I'm Sarah and my motorcycle gang name is Debbie.

Mark (00:58):
Debbie.

Sarah (01:02):
Such a badass motorcycle gang name.

Mark (01:05):
This is a spoiler podcast. If you let your kids ride
motorcycles with Debbie on them,they can listen to the podcast.

Sarah (01:12):
But don't because they end up crashing and people die.
Yes. Before we get started, newMidsummer Murder is releasing
this week. Woo hoo.

Mark (01:21):
Yes. So the day this gets released Like

Sarah (01:24):
how I make my own sound effects?

Mark (01:26):
Yes. The day this gets released, we will be watching
our first Midsummer in twoyears.

Sarah (01:33):
Better live up to it.

Mark (01:34):
And more importantly or equally importantly, season 24
is being released in ITV thismonth.

Sarah (01:41):
Nice.

Mark (01:42):
Yes.

Sarah (01:42):
They're not gonna be eight months behind us or two
years behind us or some crazything?

Mark (01:47):
Nope. There will only be a month behind us. And and then
somebody on the subreddit fromNorway was like, yeah, I'm
watching the last episode ofseason 25 tonight.

Sarah (01:58):
What? What? What? No.

Mark (02:01):
I think we should invade Norway.

Sarah (02:04):
Yeah. I guess it's quicker to translate translate
it into Norwegian than it is toEnglish. I

Mark (02:10):
It's in English.

Sarah (02:11):
I know. That was my point. Also, special
announcement. At the end of thisepisode, a much requested
feature is coming back. Yes.
Mark's horrible movies.

Mark (02:26):
Yes. Different people have mentioned they'd like to hear
some Mark's horrible movies. SoI will

Sarah (02:31):
And we haven't done it in a while because the folks who
play parts in Brokenwood,they've all been in Mighty
Morphin Power Rangers, andthat's about it.

Mark (02:40):
I see. Xena. Xena and possibly Lord of the Rings.

Sarah (02:43):
Maybe. Yeah. And that's it. And so we just couldn't do
horrible movies. So instead ofdoing horrible movies where the
actors in this episode ofBrokenwood are also in the
horrible movies, I just chose atheme from the episode and chose
horrible movies on that theme.

Mark (02:58):
And I

Sarah (02:58):
like I got two humdingers for you.

Mark (03:00):
I like this idea.

Sarah (03:02):
Oh, they're prime is all I can say.

Mark (03:08):
We also sent out a newsletter this week and I wrote
a little emotional essay at thebeginning about how nice it was
that people listened to us andhow we made them feel like
family and how they made us feellike family. And then this
lovely woman wrote a note abouthow we had got her through her
mom's passing and, you know,thank you all.

Sarah (03:28):
Yeah. Thanks for taking the time to send us that email.
It was really nice and thefeeling is completely mutual.

Mark (03:34):
She says, hearing your voices and laughter brought such
reassurance that life would goon, I would be okay. Your
podcast and communitysurrounding it support me in my
dark, scary time. Likewise. Darkand scary.

Sarah (03:53):
Yeah. It's it's important.

Mark (03:55):
It is.

Sarah (03:56):
It's really important.

Mark (03:57):
Okay. Bling bling motherfarkle. Let's go.

Sarah (04:00):
We will also have recommendations at the end of
the episode. We've had some gooddiscussions on the subreddit
about recommendations. Keep themcoming. We've got some different
ones this week.

Mark (04:09):
And people on the subreddit making their
recommendations. Yeah. I couldnot be happier.

Sarah (04:15):
Yeah. And and they're good.

Mark (04:17):
Yes. Absolutely.

Sarah (04:18):
Recipes and all kinds of stuff.

Mark (04:20):
Okay. Original air date of this episode was last week on
the 05/15/2023 directed by MikeSmith and written by Catherine
Burnett and Tim Baum.

Sarah (04:32):
Why why do motorcycles have this? Do you know why they
have this reputation as beinglike what wild people and rebels
drive?

Mark (04:42):
Well, first of all, they're death traps. Yeah. Okay.
Second of all, there weremotorcycle gangs in the fifties,
you know? And they they would bedoing gang like behaviors.

Sarah (04:54):
But why on motorcycles? Why not in VW Bugs? Why not on
bicycles?

Mark (05:00):
Because motorcycles are easier to get away. Skateboards.
No. Motorcycles. There areskateboard gangs.
Vespa gangs. There there areVespa gangs.

Sarah (05:10):
And Those guys that robbed the museum in Paris, they
were Vespa gang, weren't they?

Mark (05:16):
They they they were all sorts

Sarah (05:19):
of They got away on Vespas.

Mark (05:21):
But Quadrafenia has Vespa gangs

Sarah (05:24):
in it. I can answer this question, actually.

Mark (05:26):
Okay.

Sarah (05:27):
Prior to World War two, motorcycles were seen as
utilitarian, economical, andconvenient modes of transport.

Mark (05:36):
All of those things as well as being death traps is
correct.

Sarah (05:39):
You can say they're death traps, but there's a lot of
people who ride them on aregular basis without getting
hurt. You just have to ride themcarefully.

Mark (05:45):
I agree.

Sarah (05:46):
I think the perception of them as being death traps more
comes from rebels ridingmotorcycles, which that
perception didn't come arounduntil after World War II. Okay.
When disaffected veterans camehome,

Mark (05:58):
didn't have a lot of money,

Sarah (05:59):
Had they had ridden motorcycles during the war
because they're convenient toget And around because they were
angry disaffected people, theygot together and formed gangs.
That's the truth.

Mark (06:10):
Those used today.

Sarah (06:12):
That's when motorcycles got that reputation.

Mark (06:15):
So when I said that there were motorcycle gangs in the
fifties You

Sarah (06:18):
were correct.

Mark (06:19):
I was correct. Yeah. Okay.

Sarah (06:21):
We got there.

Mark (06:21):
We got there.

Sarah (06:22):
Anyway, that's why these ladies and mama's angels Yep.
Can wear jackets that preventanyone from hugging them because
they're covered in big spikes orpractical spikes.

Mark (06:33):
Or bedazzles? There's a lot of bedazzling going
bedazzling going on.

Sarah (06:38):
Mama Sass's helmet is very bedazzling.

Mark (06:41):
There are a lot of people in this episode Mhmm. That are
like, mom, mom, I gotta parkpeople.

Sarah (06:48):
Well, and for a biker gang, which has a very good
purpose, I completely supportMama Sass's idea of helping
women who have been in prisonand made some bad choices, build
connections with other people,improve their lives

Mark (07:04):
They should get together with the nuns and they can take
over the world.

Sarah (07:07):
That's true. But as a gang, they pick bad names.

Mark (07:13):
Yeah. Yeah.

Sarah (07:15):
There's Bella Donna. Yeah. I'm guessing her name's
just Donna. Yep. Young Hoss.

Mark (07:23):
No one ever called my mother Bella Donna by the way.
Even though her name was MadonnaBell. They weren't very
creative.

Sarah (07:30):
No. Young Hoss.

Mark (07:31):
Young Hoss.

Sarah (07:32):
Is there old Hoss?

Mark (07:33):
Okay. Young Hoss is a reference to Bonanza.

Sarah (07:38):
What? Yeah. Which these ladies have never heard of.

Mark (07:42):
No. No. Then there's Sammy. Sammy.

Sarah (07:46):
And Debbie. Debbie. Badass names if I ever heard
one. Sammy and Debbie. I mean,there might be Debbies out there
who are badasses.
Your sister Debbie is a badass.

Mark (07:55):
My sister is a badass.

Sarah (07:56):
But it's not a biker gang name? No. It should be like
Debbie Death

Mark (08:00):
And or my sister is not a biker lady.

Sarah (08:03):
No. She's the opposite.

Mark (08:05):
Yes.

Sarah (08:06):
Like, come on. Pick better names.

Mark (08:09):
I agree.

Sarah (08:10):
So the whole the whole episode is around Gavin Murphy
riding Debbie's motorbike.Somebody's cut the clutch line,
so he crashes, and then hedrowns in a creek on his wedding
day. Yes. I fully believe thatwhen bikers get married, they
sometimes put flowers on theirmotorbikes.

Mark (08:28):
Yeah. I can see that. I can definitely see

Sarah (08:31):
that. I totally buy that.

Mark (08:33):
Who carries around an invitation to their own wedding?

Sarah (08:38):
Somebody who thinks they might forget when it is.

Mark (08:42):
Oh, that's today?

Sarah (08:45):
I'm sure glad I found that piece of paper in my jeans
that I washed. But it's clearfrom the get go that Gavin
didn't die in the accident. Hewas severely injured in the
accident. Like, both of his armsand both of his legs are broken.
Right?
Yeah. But he didn't crawl downto the creek and and drown

(09:07):
himself

Mark (09:08):
Okay.

Sarah (09:08):
In three inches of water. But So that's all it takes if
you can't move.

Mark (09:11):
We're gonna say this again. We're a spoiler podcast.
Okay. Can you imagine a moreexcruciating last half hour of
life than having an older middleaged woman drag your broken body
cross country?

Sarah (09:28):
Down a a creek bed.

Mark (09:31):
Down a creek bed only to have her step on your helmet and
force your head underwater.

Sarah (09:38):
While wearing your boots. Yes. I think it would have hurt
just to take his boots off.

Mark (09:44):
I why is he not screaming?

Sarah (09:46):
He might be, but he's in his helmet. Actually, the helmet
would make a pretty good prettygood gag.

Mark (09:56):
I guess?

Sarah (09:57):
He can't exactly lift his arms up to take it off.

Mark (09:59):
No. But wow. When that all comes out at the end, I was
like, oof. What a way to go.

Sarah (10:06):
You know, when you've got a mullet like that, you're
angry.

Mark (10:09):
You you That's an angry mama mullet. I guess.

Sarah (10:13):
Apologies to anybody who's got a mullet. I know
they've come back in style. I'veseen some some younger people
with cute stylish mullets. MamaSass's mullet is not. It's
functional.
It's it's helmet mullet,

Mark (10:26):
I think. 10/07/2023. It's do they call the year

Sarah (10:31):
of the mullet and I missed it?

Mark (10:32):
No. That's the date of the wedding. So that's the date of
what's happening.

Sarah (10:36):
I thought you were trying to say back then they were in
style, Sarah.

Mark (10:39):
No. No. I did have a question though. Mhmm. So does
this make it a summer wedding?
In New Zealand? Yeah. Yeah.That's that's weird. Isn't it?

Sarah (10:49):
Because it's all like opposite and everything.

Mark (10:52):
Why don't they just use the metrics? Oh, wait. No.
That's us.

Sarah (10:55):
The other theme we have besides Gavin's excruciating
death, he's just like being heldtogether by his clothes at that
point, and then he drowns, ispoor Mike and Beth have broken
up, and everybody is soconcerned about Mike, especially
Gina, who is back to being wayover the top. Way, way over the
top. Frodo is offering to be hiswingman Yep. When he gets back

(11:19):
out on the dating scene, becausethat's what you want is Frodo
being your wingman.

Mark (11:23):
My heart came out like a hovering heart shaped
hovercraft. Oh, Frodes, we'vemissed you. That is fantastic.

Sarah (11:35):
He genuinely feels bad for Mike. Everybody feels bad
for Mike except Mike. Yes. He'slike, I've accepted it.

Mark (11:42):
Now now I've said many times to different people that
one of the hardest things I everhad to do was cancel a wedding,
and I totally lied when I didit.

Sarah (11:55):
Oh, they hadn't actually planned it though, Mike and
Beth. They were in the ofstarting to, but couldn't go
much further because he wasstill married.

Mark (12:04):
That's not what I was referring to. I was referring to
Mike having to go to the weddingand tell them that the groom was
dead.

Sarah (12:11):
I don't know why he

Mark (12:12):
That is a tough day on the job.

Sarah (12:15):
Why he chose to, like, start at the top of the aisle
and walk down? He takes a littlemoment, and

Mark (12:21):
and I thought, like, the wedding march was gonna stop or
something.

Sarah (12:26):
There must be lots of jobs like that where you have
that kind of duty every once ina while.

Mark (12:35):
Sarah said duty.

Sarah (12:36):
Thanks, seven year old. And you know, just get it over
with. Just don't think about it.Just go do it. Deliver the bad
news.
Tell them what's happened. Themore you think about it, the
more you won't wanna do it, themore difficult it will be. Just
do it.

Mark (12:50):
Yes. And wow, It's still mind boggling to be tough.

Sarah (12:54):
I know. But you just gotta spit it out, and then it's
done.

Mark (12:57):
Yep. Kristen likes corduroy cushions?

Sarah (13:00):
No. Gina, in her over the topness, says that she's gonna
have to cut Gavin's leathersoff. She says, if the family
doesn't want them, we could savethem and make cushions for your
new house, Kristen. And Kristenis so appalled by the idea, she
jokes back and says, I'm I'mmore looking into corduroy.
Imagine taking a nap on acorduroy cushion.

(13:21):
No. Okay.

Mark (13:22):
It would not be good.

Sarah (13:23):
It's gonna leave, your face is gonna look like a
Ruffles potato chip. Yes. Right?So I think she's just being
sarcastic. But Gina's like, oh,okay, If that's the style you're
going for.
Do you know where corduroy comesfrom?

Mark (13:38):
I don't know if corduroy, the fabric, is before corduroy
roads. It is. Corduroy roads area thing that is pounded into
Canadian school children thatare things that were needed in
early

Sarah (13:53):
What is a Corduroy Road?

Mark (13:56):
A Corduroy Road is

Sarah (13:57):
It's hard to say, by the way.

Mark (13:58):
Like a. What it is is when you're in the wilds of Canada
and it's muddy

Sarah (14:07):
Uh-huh.

Mark (14:07):
You you cut down trees

Sarah (14:09):
and you put You lay them across.

Mark (14:12):
Lay them across and you go over those.

Sarah (14:14):
Oh, that must have been fun in your shockless wagon.

Mark (14:17):
Yes. Again, Corduroy Road.

Sarah (14:21):
Yeah. And just imagine the conversations.

Mark (14:24):
Well, I We

Sarah (14:25):
were out here on the frontier. We're gonna build a
cabaret.

Mark (14:30):
I don't think they were very long. I think they were
only

Sarah (14:34):
They just spanned the muddy parts?

Mark (14:35):
The muddy parts.

Sarah (14:36):
Yeah. So Corduroy is way older than I thought it was. You
want you want to guess when itwas invented?

Mark (14:43):
Well, I'd say that that was nineteenth century Canada.
And if you're saying it's older,I'd go seventeenth century
Europe.

Sarah (14:50):
Older. Oh. The original. I don't know. It's ancient
Egypt.

Mark (14:55):
Oh. Dun dun dun. Twenty five hundred BCE to March.

Sarah (15:03):
That was exact? What you've been studying? Maybe. But
the the version that we know,yes, seventeen hundreds England,
simply made to be very durable.

Mark (15:16):
Was it another, hey. People make this. So should we
steal it?

Sarah (15:21):
No. It was these people from faraway places, as you
reference, make clothing that ispretty durable and and tough.
And we have workers who needdurable tough clothes. Maybe we
can reinvent this and make iteven more annoying to wear for
people who can't afford anythingbetter.

Mark (15:40):
Unlike Paisley, which is just theft. Yeah. Okay.

Sarah (15:44):
Well, it's just cool. I mean, how could you not steal
Paisley? It's cool.

Mark (15:49):
Do imagine some really dour English people finally
arriving in the subcontinentgoing, wow. Color. Nice threads.
Yeah.

Sarah (16:01):
No. So it was invented in the early seventeen hundreds in
England and early industrialrevolution. So they finally had
mills that could make a morecomplex fabric like that. That's
got kind of a I don't know. It'sit's almost like a shag carpet
almost.
They they weave loops into it,and then the loops get cut and
shaved. And that's what makesthe whales. Yeah. The the lumps

(16:21):
on it. I had no idea it was thatold though.

Mark (16:24):
I had no idea.

Sarah (16:25):
So I'm thinking like French revolution. Like, they
they might have been wearingcords.

Mark (16:30):
Oh, yeah.

Sarah (16:34):
It makes that whole viva la revolution. It makes it more
fun.

Mark (16:42):
Off with their heads.

Sarah (16:44):
Yeah. You're not sneaking up on anybody wearing
corduroyce.

Mark (16:49):
We used to have Nigel, Sarah, but do you know who we
have now? No. Aiken makes asecond appearance in two
episodes.

Sarah (16:56):
Oh, yeah. That's right. Yep. So Debbie was in prison.
Debbie, the fiance who doesn'tseem very sad, was in prison
with Trudy.

Mark (17:06):
Now, I'm gonna say this, and I don't know if you agree,
but Ray is a stand up brother inthis. Absolutely. He is
absolutely looking after hissister. Yep. He could tell that
she's scared.
Yep. He could tell that she'supset. And he tells her, we need
to go in to talk to the copsYep. When it's vitally important

Sarah (17:29):
to do. He lets her lay low as long as she needs to and
then pretends to be a lawyernext to her and pops up like,
that's enough truths. Don't sayanymore. Even though snake and
tiger is for aspirationaldrinking.

Mark (17:47):
Aspirational drinking.

Sarah (17:49):
We get this whole story about Trudy and Debbie being in
prison together. And whetherDebbie was the troublemaker and
threatened Trudy, or Trudy wasthe troublemaker and threatened
Debbie. We end up finding outthat it was Debbie who was bad,
And really wasn't even bad. Shejust wanted a few days in
solitary to kind of be byherself. And so she just Used

(18:11):
Trudy.
Pretended to strangle Trudy andaccuse her of narcing on her
just so she could get put in thein the hole, I guess, for

Mark (18:20):
a I couple of guess. But I'm telling you, if I I was in
would be heading to the hole allthe time.

Sarah (18:27):
What? Just to get away?

Mark (18:28):
Yes. You get all that time by yourself and you don't have
to deal with the idiots?

Sarah (18:34):
Yeah. I don't know. I think there's some trade offs
there. Maybe somebody who's beento prison will write us and let
us know.

Mark (18:41):
If you've been to prison and are a mystery maniacs fan,
please get in contact.

Sarah (18:46):
If you're in prison now

Mark (18:48):
listening to this podcast You're in prison now. You've not

Sarah (18:51):
been to solitary, get sent to solitary, and then let
us know. Do you prefer to be inor out of solitary?

Mark (18:56):
Send us an email or record an audio.

Sarah (19:01):
So narc, you know, Trudy's thing is I'm no narc.
Yep. But she doesn't say thatuntil after she goes to prison
and gets out.

Mark (19:10):
This is the origin of I'm no narc. Absolutely.

Sarah (19:14):
Yep. They knew that seasons ago.

Mark (19:17):
Now, Tracy who plays Trudy

Sarah (19:19):
Tracy Gray. Let's just say

Mark (19:21):
friend of the show.

Sarah (19:22):
You've said that so many times. People are like, snore,
Mark.

Mark (19:26):
I sent her an email. Well, I sent her a message saying that
she did really good work in thisepisode.

Sarah (19:33):
Yeah.

Mark (19:33):
And she did. This may be It's a great her best episode.
Well,

Sarah (19:39):
I don't know. There's another one where there's a
woman who's being battered andscared. Oh, yeah. She does a
really good job.

Mark (19:47):
She's really coming in her home.

Sarah (19:49):
But, yeah, much much wider range of acting going on.
Yes. Why are there so many pikesat the snake and tiger? Did you
ever notice the pikes before?

Mark (19:59):
There are a lot of pikes.

Sarah (20:00):
The weapons? Yep. The very multi pointed weapons.

Mark (20:04):
Why would you have weapons in a bar?

Sarah (20:07):
They seem like they're easy to access too. They're just
kinda like

Mark (20:12):
They're just

Sarah (20:12):
in a rat.

Mark (20:13):
Kinda hanging out there.

Sarah (20:16):
I've never

Mark (20:16):
noticed with them. But

Sarah (20:19):
No. But you can pick them up like you do a pole cue and
start a fight.

Mark (20:22):
Yeah.

Sarah (20:23):
I I feel bad for truths in this episode because Debbie's
a wrongin' Yeah. In a lot ofways. Well, they're all
wrongins.

Mark (20:32):
Well, they've had tough times and they've made bad
choices and they have to takeresponsibility for the choices
they've made. Right. Wow. Thatwas dad tone.

Sarah (20:40):
That yeah. Are you okay?

Mark (20:43):
I was hiccuping in your dappy.

Sarah (20:45):
I mean, Sammy's not a bad person. No. Bella Donna's just
female Frodo in a lavenderleather jacket. She calls

Mark (20:55):
him Frodolicious. It's very quiet. It's really at the
end of a speech. She says, bye,Frodolicious. It's not something
I I had to go back and be likeDid she really

Sarah (21:12):
say that?

Mark (21:12):
Say Frodolicious?

Sarah (21:14):
No wonder he's so disappointed when they move on.

Mark (21:17):
Yeah. But, you know

Sarah (21:18):
He's met

Mark (21:19):
his soulmate. He's hovering hovercraft as I

Sarah (21:23):
am. Oh.

Mark (21:25):
He's hovering hovercraft heart.

Sarah (21:28):
Gavin also has a brother, Jason.

Mark (21:30):
Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about Jax.

Sarah (21:32):
He's a recce.

Mark (21:33):
Let's talk about Jax. It's Jace. Jace. Do you think Jace
looks like a biker, wrecker guy?No.
No. He looks more like anaccountant or a baker. He looks
like he could play cricket.

Sarah (21:46):
Yes. Mhmm.

Mark (21:47):
Not the right, like no His hands are very clean. They're
very clean. There's no scruff,there's no longish hair, there's
nothing like that. But thequestion I have is because this
is this episode, Chalmers getsinvited by the wrecker guy back
to the garage. Mhmm.

(22:09):
Because the wrecker guy knowsChalmers because Chalmers is a
biker.

Sarah (22:13):
Mhmm.

Mark (22:14):
And he owns a bike. He knows the bike terminologies.

Sarah (22:19):
Evil. Plus, I imagine the police in a small town know the
local record guy pretty wellbecause of fender benders and
whatever.

Mark (22:26):
So tell tell me what happens. Turner shows up, and he
goes to talk to Jace. Andthere's the guy from the wrecker
Mhmm. And there's Jace.

Sarah (22:34):
Mhmm. And then there's, like, one or two other dudes.

Mark (22:37):
There are three other dudes Sitting there

Sarah (22:41):
nothing. No. They're just there for James. What are they?
Because he's sad.
Because his brother's dead. Oh.They're drinking beer at work.
That's what they're doing.

Mark (22:50):
I I was like, who are those dudes?

Sarah (22:54):
They're background artists.

Mark (22:56):
I have in my notes. He looks more like an accountant
than a wrecker.

Sarah (22:59):
I don't know what a wrecker looks like, but he's
kinda clean for somebody who'ssupposedly fix his cars.

Mark (23:06):
Should be a little rough around the edges. And in
addition, in this particularepisode, he does nothing but do
things that make him lookguilty.

Sarah (23:15):
Mhmm. What? Like, back his truck up and pull the gate
off of the cop shop?

Mark (23:20):
Yes. He he commits crimes.

Sarah (23:22):
He goes to jail twice in a day.

Mark (23:24):
That's a crime. Yeah. Okay? That's a crime. You maybe
shouldn't look so clean-cutbeing a criminal like that.
Well, that's the way you

Sarah (23:32):
should look if you're a criminal and you wanna get away
with it.

Mark (23:35):
If he's that stupid.

Sarah (23:38):
But you're not gonna get away with pulling the gate off
of the the cop shop in No. Themiddle of the day no matter how
clean-cut you look.

Mark (23:45):
He's he's totally, well, you guys should do something,
turned up to eleven. Yeah. Oh,well, you haven't done anything
in eighty six seconds.

Sarah (23:54):
Well, I've been watching you. You haven't solved the
crime. But to be fair, Gavindoesn't look like a biker
either. He looks like abodybuilder.

Mark (24:01):
Yes. He does.

Sarah (24:02):
Who wants black doves at the wedding.

Mark (24:05):
Black doves.

Sarah (24:06):
Black doves do not exist in New Zealand.

Mark (24:10):
No. They do not.

Sarah (24:11):
I looked up. It took me half an hour trying to find the
closest bird to a black dovethat is native because New
Zealand is very careful aboutinvasive species. You're not
just importing some pigeons

Mark (24:26):
No. No.

Sarah (24:26):
From somewhere else and spray painting them.

Mark (24:29):
No. Black doves.

Sarah (24:30):
The closest thing I could find is called like a hoku bird
or something like that, andthey're purple. Okay. And
they're mostly land birds. Theyhop around more than they fly.
If you release them, they wouldjump out of the box and peck at
the ground.

Mark (24:45):
Oh, okay.

Sarah (24:46):
So I don't know what he's thinking.

Mark (24:48):
I do not know.

Sarah (24:48):
And I don't know what missus Baker,

Mark (24:50):
is that Missus her Baker.

Sarah (24:51):
I don't know what she's thinking. And that cake is sad.

Mark (24:56):
The tire cake? I don't

Sarah (24:58):
care that it's a tire. That's fine. That's cool. Have a
stack of tires at least.

Mark (25:03):
Yes. It's one tire. What do they ride?

Sarah (25:07):
Uh-uh. It's not on a motorcycle. It's a car tire.
It's a car. Black and whitechecked it's an Indy five
hundred cake.

Mark (25:14):
It's an Indy five hundred cake, and they ride motorcycles
that are important because theyhave two wheels.

Sarah (25:20):
Yeah. Like, I don't know. Have a stack of tires or a a
tire and some handlebars or

Mark (25:28):
Something. Something.

Sarah (25:29):
That's just fondant on Styrofoam anyway.

Mark (25:31):
It's just fondant on Styrofoam.

Sarah (25:34):
You know what? When you make a cake like that for like
an event, you bake it a coupleof days in advance. Right?

Mark (25:39):
Yes.

Sarah (25:40):
And you decorate it. It takes a couple of days really
because you're doing otherthings too. By the time the cake
actually gets to the event, it'slike the last possible moment
that it's going to be good. Yes.The day after, not so much.
If you have to hold on to it fora week, I don't care how much
fondant's on it. Yeah. That wakeis getting a real tire with
fondant on it because that's thetexture it's gonna be. Yep. Yep.

(26:02):
And they're just sitting lookingat it on the

Mark (26:04):
Just What are we gonna do with this? Sitting room.

Sarah (26:07):
I don't know. Eat it. The problem I have with It's not
even in a box in the fridge.

Mark (26:11):
The problem I have with the groom is they don't do a
very good job of revealing hischaracter because he is revealed
slowly as a attentive groom.Right?

Sarah (26:24):
Yeah. But the the attentiveness gets turned into
actually he was just reallycontrolling. That's why he was
making all the decisions.

Mark (26:32):
Which is not a bad arc, but the way they portrayed it
was a bit sudden to me.

Sarah (26:38):
He goes from I want black doves and I've chosen the music
to like I'm gonna rubbing her byher throat. Yeah. Yeah.

Mark (26:47):
And I again, I'm not challenging that as an arc that
is good. I'm challenging thatthey maybe missed the middle
half of that arc.

Sarah (26:57):
Yeah. Yeah. So so does Jason know his brother is like
that?

Mark (27:02):
I I don't know because Jason's too busy being mixed up.
Oh, wait a minute. I pulledanother wall down.

Sarah (27:11):
Well, and he has no vehicle other than his wrecking
truck. Like, that's his getaround car too. When he goes
through a drive through, it's inthe wrecker.

Mark (27:18):
Yep.

Sarah (27:19):
Right? Brings a new baby home from the hospital. Wrecker.
The wrecker. Yep.
You just you just swing it fromthat thing on the back. Right?
It's a big hook.

Mark (27:28):
So I have a question to ask you because I noticed this
about this episode and I noticedthese things. I'm wondering if
you noticed because Mama sasshis hair?

Sarah (27:39):
Yes. I noticed it.

Mark (27:40):
No. No. What? There is a lot of b roll in this episode.
Yeah.
Like a lot of shots of BabblingBrooks Yeah. Cars and downtown
and

Sarah (27:52):
Filler footage.

Mark (27:53):
Like a lot. Like, were they short on film?

Sarah (27:57):
Well, they can only have so many shots of ladies in
leather jackets milling around.

Mark (28:02):
Well, that that was the other thing. The three dudes at
the garage are only overcome bythe, like, five whir biker
ladies Who don't have speakingparts. Who don't have speaking
parts, who change between scenes

Sarah (28:18):
Yes.

Mark (28:19):
And change ages. Be like, at the bar, they're all young,
pretty girls. And then anotherpart, they're on their bikes,
and they're all middle agedwomen who are pretty.

Sarah (28:30):
I was gonna say.

Mark (28:31):
No. No. They're always pretty.

Sarah (28:33):
They're bedazzled. Tell when they're wearing helmets.

Mark (28:35):
They're bedazzled. Okay? Yeah. But their ages change.

Sarah (28:39):
How can you tell when they're wearing helmets?

Mark (28:41):
Well, none of these people are actually doing any
motorcycle driving. I I feellike what's her name should ride
by on her horse? Hi, I'm here torun the horse race.

Sarah (28:57):
Missy? And

Mark (28:58):
then the thing that said, stop the presses. Stop the
presses. And it was the firstthing you mentioned to me about
the episode, and I was like, Iknow.

Sarah (29:10):
Mike makes a Ren and Stimpy reference.

Mark (29:13):
Ren and Stimpy is a American cartoon from the
nineties. Mhmm. K? It is anacquired taste.

Sarah (29:21):
Yeah. Don't go watching it with your grandkids. Okay.
It's kinda gross.

Mark (29:26):
It's an adult cartoon. Okay?

Sarah (29:28):
It's a teenager cartoon.

Mark (29:30):
Okay. At young A young adult cartoon.

Sarah (29:32):
Yeah.

Mark (29:33):
Okay. It is visually stunning. Okay.

Sarah (29:37):
But gross.

Mark (29:38):
But gross. It was unlike anything on TV. It was very,
very brave.

Sarah (29:43):
And it did have some very funny moments. And it was better
than Beavis and Butthead.

Mark (29:47):
It was way better than Beavis and Butthead. But it is
the source of the happy happyjoy joy.

Sarah (29:53):
Yeah. Mike says, oh, they were acting like everything was
just happy happy joy joy. And Iwas like, pause. That's a Ren
and Stimpy reference.

Mark (30:01):
Well, I was like, that clearly can't be a Ren and
Stimpy reference because Mike ismaking it.

Sarah (30:06):
They must both be referencing something else.

Mark (30:08):
Yes. No. No. No. He's referencing Ren and Stimpy.
Mike is referencing Ren andStimpy.

Sarah (30:13):
Because in Ren and Stimpy, if you've never seen it,
now that we've said the name ofthe cartoon like 15 times Yes.
There's a song that they sing inan episode. Yes. It's a dark
song.

Mark (30:23):
Yeah. A very dark song.

Sarah (30:25):
But the chorus is happy, happy, joy, joy, happy, happy,
joy, joy, happy happy joy joyjoy. Right?

Mark (30:32):
And it is it is implied that that is meant to be ironic.
So they use it fantasticallyYeah. In this episode.
Reference. But I'm thinking it'sprobably more Tim Baum than it
is mic.

Sarah (30:46):
Yeah. Another revelation in this episode regarding Trudy
or Kristen. I'm not sure. It's amystery. Kristen makes coffee
and Trudy drinks it.

Mark (30:59):
Yes.

Sarah (31:00):
And makes a face like, it's okay, and keeps drinking
it.

Mark (31:03):
Yes.

Sarah (31:04):
So either Kristen's coffee has gotten better or
Trudy likes it.

Mark (31:08):
I'm betting Trudy likes it.

Sarah (31:11):
She's the only one in Brokenwood who likes Kristen's
coffee? How to be

Mark (31:15):
an esoteric person? Tracy, I know you're so super cool and
a friend of the episode andeverything. What were you
thinking

Sarah (31:23):
when you drank Kristen's coffee? Because Trudy's not a
character who would pretend tolike it if she didn't. No. So
either Kristen has gottenbetter. She is making French
press, at least.
Missus Marlow has shown her howto do it, but it's had no no
measurable effect on its qualityNo. Yet No. That she learned how

(31:45):
to do it. No. She stirs thecafeteria with a wooden spoon
that she, like, takes out of thesink and then puts back in the
sink.

Mark (31:57):
Nigel's like, no. No. No. No.

Sarah (32:03):
I'm gonna have to watch that later. But Trudy drinks it
and goes, okay. Whatever. Andtakes another big gulp
voluntarily. She took She's noteven made to drink

Mark (32:14):
it. Another big

Sarah (32:16):
gulp. Then Chalmers out of nowhere says Farkle.

Mark (32:21):
Yeah. So there's this really weird conversation
between Sims and Chalmers whereChalmers has a psychotic break
in the middle of it.

Sarah (32:33):
I don't know why because she says she's gonna go see
somebody. She's gonna go see theladies. He'd rub them the wrong
way. So she's gonna go on herown.

Mark (32:43):
And so And then he

Sarah (32:44):
just randomly says something about Farkle, which is
functional sparkle.

Mark (32:47):
So then he says Farkle, which is functional sparkler, to
which Kristen is like, okay, I'mgonna go see these people.

Sarah (32:55):
Whatever, crazy man.

Mark (32:56):
And then he turns to his computer and says? Bling bling
mother farkler.

Sarah (33:05):
What? Maybe he drank Kristen's coffee. Maybe. Maybe
she put some stuff in it. Maybethat's why Trudy liked it.
Have you ever caught anything ina zipper? Any skin in a zipper?

Mark (33:17):
No, but I do have a story.

Sarah (33:19):
You know someone who's caught skin in a zipper? So
Because mama sass apparentlygets her fingers stuck or at
least snagged in the zipper ofGavin's boots when she puts his
boots on because she's savvyenough. She should be mama savvy
to think ahead enough to notleave her footprints going down
to the creek.

Mark (33:38):
Yes.

Sarah (33:39):
Though wouldn't she have bare footprints leading back?
Yes. Okay. Anyway, I'm just skinin a zipper.

Mark (33:46):
So we're gonna call this individual Ian.

Sarah (33:48):
Okay.

Mark (33:49):
This was at a Boy Scout camp.

Sarah (33:51):
Most of your bad stories happened at Boy Scout camp.

Mark (33:56):
And I was a year older than Ian. So I think he was in
the ninth grade and I was in thetenth grade.

Sarah (34:02):
We should be playing violin music behind this.

Mark (34:07):
Because poor Ian got part of his private parts caught in
his zipper.

Sarah (34:13):
Oh, there's nothing you can do that won't hurt more. Now
Right? Like, unzipping hurts.

Mark (34:20):
Imagine You

Sarah (34:20):
can't keep going with the zipper. Oh.

Mark (34:24):
Imagine 30 teenage boys Oh, no. Wanting to know what's
going on. What's wrong with Ian?

Sarah (34:32):
Why is he screaming?

Mark (34:36):
I could still remember Ian's screams. And

Sarah (34:40):
Like, a nurse go and help him or something? No.

Mark (34:44):
Were no nurses here. It was a camp on a farm in Lennon

Sarah (34:49):
Oh, okay. And Like a parent? A mom? The Somebody?

Mark (34:54):
The scout leader took him into a tent.

Sarah (34:58):
And unzipped.

Mark (34:59):
As we all stood around the tent. Oh. And there was a moment
where the crying was louder. Andthen Ian went home.

Sarah (35:13):
And we never saw him again.

Mark (35:15):
No. No, no. He was well known as the person who this had
happened to.

Sarah (35:21):
Did he get a nickname for it? Was it called Zip or
something after that?

Mark (35:25):
Not a nickname, but not me. But people would reference
it with him, which I thought washorrendous up until the point
where he was in university andhe went to another university
that one of my friends went toand he worked with a guy that my
friend knew and that guy askedmy friend, is it true that Ian

(35:48):
got his cot in his zipper onetime? This had nothing to do
with our high school.

Sarah (35:54):
Ten years later.

Mark (35:55):
Ten years later.

Sarah (35:57):
Is it that rare, I guess, then?

Mark (36:00):
I don't know, but I don't wanna look up his Facebook
because it'll be like,

Sarah (36:04):
Zipper man. Ian,

Mark (36:07):
the kid

Sarah (36:07):
who Ian the Zip baker. Wow. Like, here are my children
and my grandchildren.

Mark (36:16):
I know.

Sarah (36:17):
The zipper didn't take me down.

Mark (36:20):
I know I've dreamt of what he That's sounded like

Sarah (36:27):
Lord of the Sly stuff going on. Poor Ian.

Mark (36:30):
And it was raining. I remember it.

Sarah (36:33):
I remember it raining. Oh. I just imagine we're going
on about this. Like, justimagine a town after after
everybody hears about it. Whensomebody says his name,
everybody drops their head like,oh, poor Ian.

Mark (36:47):
Next week at our friend's place newspaper, Ian's incident
mentioned on podcast.

Sarah (36:57):
The picture of Ian with a little pixelated square.

Mark (37:02):
Poor guy. He was a nice guy.

Sarah (37:04):
He was super That's a horrible thing to happen to
anybody. Yeah. I kid him he'd bejustified not to be nice
afterwards, especially to thepeople standing around going,
yep. How's your winky?

Mark (37:15):
No. So yeah.

Sarah (37:19):
It's like on Christmas Story, you'll shoot your eye

Mark (37:21):
out.

Sarah (37:21):
Yeah. Everybody knows. Yep. I'm kind of sorry I asked
now.

Mark (37:27):
I had forgot. You know, you kind of forget things and
You

Sarah (37:30):
block it out. Oh, yeah. And then it comes back.

Mark (37:34):
Oh, can I like, I remember the tent? I wish they people
could see

Sarah (37:40):
your face right now. It's all scrunched up in pain.
Sympathetic

Mark (37:44):
pain. I'm good.

Sarah (37:45):
So moving on, we find out that Debbie and Stevie have kind
of a thing going.

Mark (37:50):
Well, you think all empowered women are lesbians?

Sarah (37:54):
Mama's ass has a line for everything. Yeah. She's she's
ready to shoot back.

Mark (37:58):
She does. Indeed.

Sarah (37:59):
She's got her girls back until she wants to frame one of
them for murder.

Mark (38:02):
Yes.

Sarah (38:04):
Ain't that convenient?

Mark (38:05):
I did notice that.

Sarah (38:08):
They've they've been in a relationship on and off for a
year. Yeah. Like, this is not arecent thing.

Mark (38:15):
I don't know why she's with the groom. Because if he is
a controlling asshole, okay?

Sarah (38:22):
Then why isn't why isn't mama's ass using her her gang
weight to get her out of it?Like protecting Debbie from
Gavin saying she doesn't wantanything to

Mark (38:32):
go Like what did Gavin bring to the table that was
nice?

Sarah (38:37):
Yeah. It seems like nothing. Like she was being
forced to marry him. Yes. Andit's not because she's pregnant.
That's not that's not a reasonto marry him. No. He doesn't
even need to know about it.

Mark (38:47):
No. She seemed to not care

Sarah (38:49):
about it. But they were childhood sweethearts. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. But they weren't betrothedas children and they have to No.
Follow through. They're notroyalty or something.

Mark (39:00):
Sarah, if you were upset and you rode a motorcycle and
you needed to let off steam

Sarah (39:05):
I would go right back and forth up and down a strip of
concrete over and over.

Mark (39:10):
At the airport? Yes. With my wolf cut. Why?

Sarah (39:15):
I don't know. I I don't understand people who go driving
when they're upset either. It'sthe last thing I wanna do when
I'm upset.

Mark (39:22):
You know why? I think this is why. Because

Sarah (39:26):
she You can voluntarily damage your tires a ton?

Mark (39:29):
No. She comes in and takes her helmet off and it's unbroken
shot.

Sarah (39:34):
Mhmm.

Mark (39:35):
I think that was the only place they could let the actor
do it. Maybe. Because if youtell the insurance people, this
actress is going to drive amotorcycle on a road, they're
going to be like, no. No.

Sarah (39:49):
You say it's an unbroken shot, but we see her pull up to
the cops from behind, and thenthe camera shows her from the
front and she takes it off.Yeah. So it might not be her
writing it

Mark (40:00):
in there. I think it has to do with something about the
insurance because the airportmakes no sense.

Sarah (40:06):
No. No. So this affair between Debbie and Susan is
Sammy, sorry. Susan would beeven the worst biker Who's this?
Susan the biker.
It's kind of a red herring. LikeGavin apparently knows about it.
Well, he knows because he'sfound the text or whatever and
threatens to throttle Debbieover

Mark (40:27):
it. Yes.

Sarah (40:28):
But he's going to marry her anyway. Yeah. So it's not a
reason to kill him. Yeah. Thereason to kill him is that he's
horrible and Debbie doesn't havethe willpower to get away from
him.

Mark (40:43):
All she All has do

Sarah (40:45):
the help of all of her friends.

Mark (40:47):
All she has to do is not go to the wedding.

Sarah (40:49):
Yeah. Like, just don't buy a dress.

Mark (40:52):
I'm going to drive away Yeah. With my mom Yeah. And all
my biker girls.

Sarah (40:57):
Yeah. And what are you gonna do?

Mark (40:59):
And you and the account brother are Who? Not gonna get
me.

Sarah (41:02):
No. That's all she had to do. But no. They gotta kill him.

Mark (41:06):
They gotta kill him. Young horse.

Sarah (41:09):
Yep. Otherwise known as Tanya Lee. Tanya Lee. In that
waist up choker thing.

Mark (41:16):
Yeah. Got a hand tattoo.

Sarah (41:21):
That says, dilly gaff.

Mark (41:23):
It says, list the work and work the list.

Sarah (41:26):
No. That's what yours would say. So It says, dilly
gaff, which is do I look like Igive a

Mark (41:32):
You know, I think this is a thing that bikers do to make
fun of people who think they'rebikers. Yeah.

Sarah (41:44):
Well, getting a tattoo like that on your hand is a
statement. It's there's no goingback

Mark (41:52):
Yes.

Sarah (41:53):
To polite society for me. I'm committed. If you had an
acronym or an initialism on yourhand

Mark (42:01):
Yes.

Sarah (42:01):
What would it be?

Mark (42:02):
It would it would be list the work and work the list.

Sarah (42:05):
That would be l t w w. I'm trying to

Mark (42:10):
spell It the letters

Sarah (42:12):
it's not a acronym No. That you can

Mark (42:15):
Maybe rage bait. Rage bait.

Sarah (42:19):
I came up with two. Well, no, actually three that I think
might be good.

Mark (42:25):
Oh, no, wait. I I know what. What? The first hand would
say r I j t.

Sarah (42:31):
Which is?

Mark (42:31):
Right. And the second hand would say l e f t.

Sarah (42:35):
R I j t?

Mark (42:37):
Rigid it.

Sarah (42:38):
Do you know how to spell right?

Mark (42:40):
I'm just trying to get into four letters.

Sarah (42:44):
But it's not like that on Tanya Lee's hand. It's on the
back of her hand. Yeah. It's nota knuckle tattoo.

Mark (42:49):
Okay.

Sarah (42:49):
Right? So you can have

Mark (42:50):
On the back of my hand?

Sarah (42:51):
How many fingers do you think she has if she has dilly
gaff on her?

Mark (42:55):
Just it's a lot of fingers. So what are you gonna
have?

Sarah (43:02):
I thought maybe I would have thug, which would stand for
tired, hangry, und, grumpy. Ihad to go with und because fag
really isn't a thing. So it'stired, hangry, or grumpy. Or

(43:30):
Dilfet. Dilfet.
Do I look fat in this?

Mark (43:33):
Do I look okay.

Sarah (43:36):
Or I think this is my favorite. This is serious. Okay.
Dilliness. Dilliness.
What do you think it stands for?

Mark (43:43):
Do I look like I give an ass? N a s. Give.

Sarah (43:49):
N a s. What would the n a s stand for?

Mark (43:53):
Not poop.

Sarah (43:58):
Need a snack.

Mark (44:00):
Do I look like I need a snack?

Sarah (44:08):
I'm hypoglycemic. If I'm on the floor, I would just hold
my hand up. And they would know.

Mark (44:17):
Give her

Sarah (44:17):
a piece of candy.

Mark (44:18):
Those Snickers commercials that you've seen where the one
actor steps in for another Yeah.

Sarah (44:23):
You're hangry. You need a snicker?

Mark (44:25):
That is that's

Sarah (44:28):
My personality changes when my blood sugar's low. Then
Angry is an understatement.

Mark (44:34):
It has to be the most scared question that I have ever
asked you, which is somethinglike

Sarah (44:40):
Have

Mark (44:40):
you eaten? Would would you like some butter? Please

Sarah (44:44):
don't hurt me. So Dylan asks

Mark (44:48):
Yes.

Sarah (44:49):
Do I look like I need a snack? And then it's followed
by, don't answer that question.What do you mean by that? What
are you trying to say? And thenwe're back to Dilphid.
Do I look fat

Mark (45:00):
in this?

Sarah (45:00):
Because you think I need a snack.

Mark (45:02):
There is a needless contradiction between what a CD
is and what a memory stick is.

Sarah (45:08):
Yeah. It doesn't really matter, does it? It's silly.
Except missus Baker's like, I'venever seen one of those sticks
that can remember things. Okay.

Mark (45:19):
And meanwhile, Chambers has regained consciousness Yes.
Now. And he's using real wordsin real sentences.

Sarah (45:28):
He's not like, He's done doing his Swedish Chef
impersonation. So so young isHas cuts the clutch line because
independently of anybody else,she thinks Gavin needs to die.

Mark (45:43):
No. No. Mama Sass gets her to do it.

Sarah (45:46):
You think so?

Mark (45:47):
Yeah. Puts

Sarah (45:47):
her up to it?

Mark (45:48):
That's why mama Sass comes back and says

Sarah (45:50):
To make sure she's that he's dead. Yep. So young Hass
cuts the clutch line becausemama Sass says Hass. What did I
say?

Mark (46:00):
You said Hass. Okay.

Sarah (46:01):
Because mama Sass knows that Gavin is gonna take
Debbie's bike to replace thespokes Yeah. Thingamabobs on her
tires.

Mark (46:09):
I'll get you some new wheels, baby.

Sarah (46:12):
They're they're they're shiny. They farkle. Pink ones
would be hideous by the way.

Mark (46:20):
Okay.

Sarah (46:22):
Shiny pink or matte pink, hideous. Again So so Young Haas
does that.

Mark (46:28):
Baby, I only buy you new wheels because I love you.

Sarah (46:31):
He does crash. Yeah. But then mama sass says, oh, I'm
gonna go pretend to pick up themusic CD Yes. As an excuse to
check to make sure that itworked.

Mark (46:42):
Yes.

Sarah (46:42):
And she sees him

Mark (46:44):
screaming. What is it, Ian? Is

Sarah (46:53):
that the helmet over his mask? Screaming like Ian in the
tent at boy scout camp andfinishes the job. Now if Mama
Sass got her to do that, did shealso say, and if we get caught,
you're going to take the blame?I'm going to let you take the
blame?

Mark (47:08):
I guess.

Sarah (47:09):
Or is that young Haas voluntarily saying,

Mark (47:13):
I'll do I think it's young Haas voluntarily

Sarah (47:17):
Thinking about this woman's done a lot for me. I'll
take the blame for her.

Mark (47:20):
Yeah. I'm a bad person, you know. She's a good person,
even though

Sarah (47:25):
she drowned him in the creek with her with his boot on
her foot on the back of hishelmet.

Mark (47:33):
Yes. But what it what it is, Sarah, is it's not talked
about in Fast and Femme. Do youknow what Fast and Femme is? No.
Fast and Femme is New Zealand'swomen's motorcycle magazine that
is shown in one shot.

Sarah (47:51):
It's like Fast and Furious?

Mark (47:53):
Yes. Ride or die with mama sass, kiwi bikers, mud, sweat,
and gears. Wow. There's ultimategear guide and Shabbat Siobhan
Cade, twenty five years ofriding. Fast and fam.

Sarah (48:12):
Somebody worked really hard on that.

Mark (48:13):
Yep. And it has the the motorcycle mama's logo on it and
it has Debbie and Steph.

Sarah (48:20):
You mean angels, mama's angels?

Mark (48:21):
Mama's angels. Debbie's and Steph on the cover with Mama
Sass.

Sarah (48:26):
I'm just upset with them for not being more original.
Mama's Angels, that's the bestyou could come up with.

Mark (48:32):
Yeah. It's just a reference to Charlie's Angels.
Or Hell's Angels.

Sarah (48:37):
Or Hell's Angels. Probably the more obvious one.

Mark (48:40):
Oh, wow. Bling bling mother farkle. Farkler.

Sarah (48:45):
I'm just disappointed, you know? Yeah. I mean, when you
think about Mama Sass'sdedication, they do all this
charity work and everythingelse, and these are women who
really needed a hand up and afamily. Yep. And they can't come
up with something better thanthat.

Mark (49:01):
I wish they did, and I also think that this is end of
the season. It's been a longseason and they're they're ready
for bed.

Sarah (49:12):
Let me ask you an honest question. Do you think though
you wouldn't ride one, thatpeople who ride motorcycles look
cool?

Mark (49:19):
Oh, definitely.

Sarah (49:20):
Okay. Does mama I sass

Mark (49:22):
have rode a motorcycle. Okay.

Sarah (49:24):
Does mama sass look cool on her three wheel motorcycle?

Mark (49:29):
Yeah. The bling, I think, has more of a less of a cool
factor.

Sarah (49:35):
It's the bejeweling that takes it down, not the fact that
it's purple three wheeler.

Mark (49:39):
Yeah.

Sarah (49:39):
Okay. So you think you can look cool on a three
wheeler?

Mark (49:42):
Well, I would look cool on a three wheeler. That's for
sure.

Sarah (49:45):
It looks more comfortable.

Mark (49:47):
Yeah, it does.

Sarah (49:48):
But probably not quite as cool. Not as badass. Yeah. I
mean, you can't take cornersreal fast. No.
And you could have luggage.

Mark (49:58):
I guess.

Sarah (49:58):
It's a bit more practical. And practical's never
cool.

Mark (50:02):
There's carrying cases.

Sarah (50:04):
You don't have saddlebags, you have luggage
rack, I guess. Though if I hadto ride a motorcycle, that's
what I would want.

Mark (50:13):
Oh, well, yeah.

Sarah (50:15):
Or at least a sidecar. Yeah. Because Olive would need
some place to add.

Mark (50:18):
And I definitely will ride

Sarah (50:20):
Or I with put you in my sidecar. You and Olive in the
sidecar.

Mark (50:29):
And that goes to Photoshop.

Sarah (50:31):
I'm gonna AI that later. I don't even need to Photoshop
it. Are you kidding? There'sgoing to be a video because I
have both you and Olive on Sora.Yep.
So in the end, though Tonya Leehas confessed Yep. Nobody's
fallen.

Mark (50:45):
There's a roadblock.

Sarah (50:46):
It's clear that Mama Sass did it. Yep. But they don't have
the evidence right off. They'regonna have to do DNA, and so
they've blocked the road.

Mark (50:54):
And they put too much b roll in the episode, so there's
no end End it. Yep. There's nodenouement.

Sarah (51:03):
I I think probably mama's ass is just gonna confess.

Mark (51:06):
Yeah. I think so.

Sarah (51:07):
I don't think she's gonna let Tanya take the wrap.

Mark (51:10):
It's a little sad trombone of womp womp womp. Yeah. Yep.

Sarah (51:14):
Shall we do bad movies or recommendations first?

Mark (51:17):
Let's do bad movies first.

Sarah (51:18):
Oh, boy. It's been a while since we've done one of
these bad movies. So if youdon't remember the format, the
goal is for Mark to guess themovie that I'm describing
because he's probably seen it.

Mark (51:29):
I've watched thousands of bad movies.

Sarah (51:33):
I'm gonna guess though. I've got two for you. Yeah. I
think I'm gonna be two for two.

Mark (51:38):
Oh, I'm I'm I'm thinking you might be, though I have seen
a lot of biker movies.

Sarah (51:44):
These are both bad biker They're really bad. But I tried
to stay away from like, youknow, exploitation movies or you
know, really niche likeindependent movies. These are
both movies that were releasedbig Wide release. Big screens.
Yep.

(52:04):
And I still think I'm going tobe two for Okay. So the first
one was released in 1982.

Mark (52:11):
Okay.

Sarah (52:11):
It has a zero rating on Rotten

Mark (52:15):
Tomatoes. Zero.

Sarah (52:19):
It was directed by the same director who made Smokey
and the Bandit and CannonballRun.

Mark (52:26):
Two movies I saw probably in 1980.

Sarah (52:29):
Mhmm. The tagline is there's never been a superhero
like Ace Hunter. Oh. The goodguys, the good motorcycle gang
in the movie, their signaturething is that their motorcycles
can fly. A gold jumpsuit.

Mark (53:02):
Oh, yes. Yes. Oh, I've never seen this movie, but I
remember, like He's holdingposter.

Sarah (53:08):
He's, like, grabbing his head with both hands. Like, he's
gonna squeeze the idea out.

Mark (53:15):
Oh, what is that movie? No. It's called Megaforce.
That's right. Megaforce.
I saw Megaforce at the theater.

Sarah (53:29):
Barry Bostwick plays the leader of the good motorcycle
gang.

Mark (53:33):
What you didn't say is it is post apocalyptic.

Sarah (53:37):
Well, that's a given.

Mark (53:38):
Yeah. Not only have I seen Megaforce, I may have rented
Megaforce

Sarah (53:48):
You have to say Megaforce.

Mark (53:49):
Megaforce. With with my friends, and I think we said, we
should do this in Gamma World,which was a TSR role playing
game set in a post apocalypticfuture.

Sarah (54:02):
Yeah. Barry Bostwick wears a gold jumpsuit and has,
like, a a strap across his chestthat seems to have a calculator
tape to Yeah. That's Yeah. Andhe has a headband on all the
time across his forehead.

Mark (54:17):
I definitely have seen that, but did not remember that.

Sarah (54:20):
One for me.

Mark (54:21):
One for you.

Sarah (54:22):
Okay. I'm gonna give you the full out description of the
second movie. What year? 1971.Okay.
So it's an oldie.

Mark (54:31):
Yep. It's an oldie.

Sarah (54:32):
There's two taglines. One, if you're hairy, you belong
on a motorbike.

Mark (54:37):
Oh, okay. This is the werewolf oh, hair horror the
werewolf biker movie that Idon't think it's British. Go on.

Sarah (54:47):
The gang thought it was tough till it found a new kind
of hell, the bride of Satan.

Mark (54:52):
Oh, I definitely know this movie.

Sarah (54:55):
You basically got it.

Mark (54:56):
We've done this movie.

Sarah (54:58):
It's called werewolves on wheels.

Mark (54:59):
Werewolves on wheels. We've done that movie as a bad
movie before in another episode.

Sarah (55:04):
We have?

Mark (55:04):
I bet we have. Are you sure? I'm pretty sure.

Sarah (55:07):
Because when I read the description, was like, wow. I
this is crazy. Are you ready?I'm I'm Let me read this.

Mark (55:15):
I am 95% sure we I don't mentioned think that so.

Sarah (55:18):
Because the motorcycle gang is called the Devil's
Advocates. Yeah. Okay. This isthe back of the VHS. Yeah.
The Devil's advocates are arambunctious but largely amiable
pack of bikers with style toburn, who meet a horrendous fate
at the vengeful hands of acloister of devil worshipping

(55:40):
monks. While the advocates areout cold because of drugged
wine, the monks decide to useone of their girls as bride of
Satan. The advocates arouse fromtheir stupor before the ceremony
is over, beat up the devil monksto rescue their girl and bring
upon themselves a terrible fate.Yep. Devil monks.

Mark (56:02):
Yep. Devil monks. I think it's British too, which makes it
even weirder. The bikers looklike hippies.

Sarah (56:10):
Yeah. They're not like leather.

Mark (56:12):
They're like peace dudes. We've definitely talked about
this movie before.

Sarah (56:16):
I don't remember that, but I'll give it to you because
you clearly know what it is. Ifyou're hairy, you belong on a
motorbike. But the hairy is awerewolf. Yeah. It gives a new
meaning to two hairy bikers.
Yes. Those guys with the cookingshow.

Mark (56:31):
It does. They're werewolves. They're werewolves.

Sarah (56:33):
Oh, speaking of them, I saw a clip of two fat ladies the
other day.

Mark (56:37):
Yeah. They came up on my feet

Sarah (56:39):
on YouTube stuff. Yeah. I miss them. Yep. Ready for
recommendations?

Mark (56:43):
I am ready for recommendations.

Sarah (56:45):
My recommendation this week is to buy yourself an
advent calendar. Yeah. Alright.I have never had an advent
calendar. Nope.
My family is not religious.Nope. But now there's advent
calendars for everything. Yes.And a friend of mine at work
gave me one as a gift.
It's a Bon Maman adventcalendar, which is the jelly

(57:07):
that comes in the glass jar withthe red and white checked lids,
which is my favorite brand ofjellies and jams, and he knows
So he gave me this adventcalendar to say thank you for I
bake every Sunday, and I takecookies or cupcakes or treats or
something to work every Monday.And so to say thank you, Craig,
if you're listening, he gave methis advent calendar. And I only

(57:29):
had it for a few days so far,and it is so fun Yep. Because
every day there's a tiny glassjar of jelly in there that's a
new flavor, and I'm so excitedto see what

Mark (57:40):
it is. Yes.

Sarah (57:41):
It's so fine.

Mark (57:42):
We have we have 30 little glass jars now.

Sarah (57:45):
We will when we're done. Yeah. But it is so fun to have a
little surprise. And I see noreason why you have to wait for
somebody else to give you one.No.
If you like something,chocolates, cheese, I don't
know, Buy socks

Mark (57:59):
an advent calendar.

Sarah (58:00):
Buy one for yourself. It's a little treat. Better yet,
buy one now, and then inJanuary, buy a crap ton of them
when they're really cheap. Andtreat Sell chocolates. And treat
January like the month whereyou're supposed to open it, and
you'll have so many surprisesfor yourself.
Yeah. It's a little thing, butit's been super fun.

Mark (58:19):
Yep. Excellent. What's your recommendation? From
completely the other end of thefield, my recommendation is that
you should do yourself a favorand watch some professional
women's hockey.

Sarah (58:32):
Oh, yeah. Because Even if you're not a hockey fan, it's
really fun to watch.

Mark (58:37):
It's really fun to watch. They are inspirational women.
Absolutely. Absolutelyinspirational women.

Sarah (58:45):
Just to watch the little girls who are in the audience
watching, in the stands watchingis inspiring.

Mark (58:52):
Yeah. Professional women's sports is now the coolest thing
in the world. Yeah. And I thinkthat even with like, I'm
expecting a bump for men'shockey because of the Olympics.
Mhmm.
I think women's hockey is gonnaget an even bigger bump. Yep.
Because of the Olympics.

Sarah (59:11):
And they have super cool mascots.

Mark (59:13):
They have super cool mascots.

Sarah (59:15):
Like the sirens

Mark (59:16):
They and stuff like have teams. They have Boston,
Minnesota, Montreal, New York,Ottawa, Seattle, Toronto, and
Vancouver. And they do thisreally cool thing where you're
like, okay, I don't live in anyone of those cities. They do
this thing where they take overother cities for an evening and
play games in those cities thatwhere the teams aren't from.

(59:40):
Mhmm.
So that that's how they gaugewhere they should Have new
teams. The league Newfranchises. The league is run
really well. They did thesmartest thing in the universe,
which was all games are onYouTube free of charge for
anybody to watch.

Sarah (59:55):
Yeah. So wherever you are in the world, you can watch
women's hockey.

Mark (59:58):
And it's not like they're not selling tickets. They're
selling out games. The Seattlehome opener this year, they're a
new team, had 16,000 people at.That's NHL numbers.

Sarah (01:00:11):
Are they the Seattle sirens?

Mark (01:00:13):
No. They are the Seattle torrent. Torrent. And the other
thing that I've really liked isalmost all of the the men's
teams that have teams in thesecities or teams related to these
teams Mhmm. Have walked in tothe their games with their

(01:00:35):
jerseys on.

Sarah (01:00:36):
With the the the women's team

Mark (01:00:38):
jersey The women's team's To jersey

Sarah (01:00:40):
show support.

Mark (01:00:40):
There's a player on the Ottawa Senators whose sister
plays for the Seattle team whosehis twin sister plays for the
Seattle team. And he walked inthe other night with her jersey
on to Their parents are so proudof Like, they it is everything
about it is really well run.It's fun to watch.

Sarah (01:01:01):
You can get an advent calendar, open all of the
goodies Yep. All at once andwatch a women's hockey game.
That'd be a heck of a night.

Mark (01:01:08):
And they have the other thing I love is they have
slightly different rules. So, inhockey when you get a penalty,
one of your players has to sitin the penalty box. The way it
works in women's hockey is ifyour team scores when you're
down a player, you get thatplayer out. It's called

Sarah (01:01:27):
a jailbreak. So they don't have to wait till the time
is up. Get released immediately.

Mark (01:01:31):
They get released immediately. And that is, like,
so exciting. It makes it evenmore interesting on a power
play.

Sarah (01:01:39):
So in those times in men's hockey when, like, most of
the team is in the penalty boxYes. In a women's game, they
would just have to keep scoringto get players out

Mark (01:01:48):
over and

Sarah (01:01:48):
over again. Well, the time can run out too though.
Right? They don't have to scoreto get them out. Okay.
Because that would be fun too.Nope. You're in there until they
score. Sorry. And it's It mightbe never.

Mark (01:01:59):
It's fast. It's skilled. It's so fun to watch.

Sarah (01:02:03):
That's a good recommendation.

Mark (01:02:04):
Do yourself a favor and and pick a team. If you're not
in any of these cities or youlike another city, pick a team
and watch a couple of thosegames.

Sarah (01:02:13):
Put a link to the YouTube channel in the show notes.

Mark (01:02:16):
I will put a link to the YouTube channel in the show
notes. They are fun to watch.

Sarah (01:02:20):
So there's our recommendations for this week.
Watch some women's hockey,professional women's hockey. Buy
yourself an advent calendar. Youdeserve a treat every day.

Mark (01:02:27):
And tonight, Sarah and I will be watching Midsummer.

Sarah (01:02:31):
There was some silence there. Yes. Brand new Midsummer.
And releasing a spoiler free,watch it like a maniac mini
episode.

Mark (01:02:40):
Yep.

Sarah (01:02:40):
Alright. Until then, bye maniacs.

Mark (01:02:42):
Bye maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery
maniacs podcast. If you enjoyedour crazy podcast today, don't
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Bye, maniacs.

Sarah (01:03:10):
I'm so glad you're recording this.

Mark (01:03:14):
There's my outtake.