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Mystery Maniacs Episode! In Podcast 243, an irrelevant crime happens and we wonder who Frodo’s mom is and learn the secret to making coffee.
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Where is this cup from?
Whiteboard Madness
Are Those My Feet?
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Mark (00:00):
When Frodo is the genius of the group.
Sarah (00:05):
Yes. Hey, maniacs.
Mark (00:22):
Hey, mystery maniacs. We're back. Mystery maniacs is a
comedy recap podcast dedicatedto mystery TV. Each week, we dig
into an episode of a showincluding the murders, the
mayhem, and everything we love.Especially the loonies.
The oaths. This is a loonyfilled episode. This week,
(00:44):
Brokenwood Mysteries from Cradleto Grave season eight episode
one. I'm Mark.
Sarah (00:50):
I'm Sarah. First of all, thanks for being patient that we
were out last week. I had anincredible mega effect infection
in my jaw. Yeah. From having tohave a tooth pulled.
It was horrible and unpleasant.Yeah. But I'm much better.
Mark (01:06):
That's good. Because you were ill.
Sarah (01:08):
I was very ill.
Mark (01:10):
I was a little worried.
Sarah (01:12):
But I'm better now. Speaking of being ill,
apparently, we were wrong aboutsome things.
Mark (01:18):
I'm I'm telling you how ill you were you? I was looking
up blood infection symptomsbecause I was like, oh, this
could go bad and I need to watchto see if she's exhibiting this
symptom so that I can get her tothe hospital in time.
Sarah (01:35):
Yeah. Yeah. It was better now. Yes. Enough dentist talk.
Okay. Speaking you you ruined mysegue. Okay. I said, speaking of
Ellen We were Ellen Yep. In ourlast episode when we talked
about key parties
Mark (01:50):
because we were wrong. Boy, were we wrong about key
parties.
Sarah (01:53):
Oh, we were being very American about key parties.
Mark (01:57):
So what I'm interested in now is there had to be a period
of time that if you emigrated toNew Zealand, Australia, or some
parts of England in the eightiesand people in your social group
invited you over to a key partyfor their 20 birthday, you
showed up with the wrong idea.
Sarah (02:17):
Or said, no, that's not really my thing, but thanks.
Mark (02:24):
In Australia, New Wait a minute.
Sarah (02:27):
You're saying I can come to the birthday party and I can
bring my kids? Yeah. What kindof people are you?
Mark (02:34):
You're sick. So Australia, New Zealand, parts of England, a
key party for a 21 or 18 yearold means they get a key to
Sarah (02:46):
the You're old enough now to be trusted with a key to the
house.
Mark (02:49):
Yes.
Sarah (02:50):
It's a responsibility marker.
Mark (02:51):
It's a yes.
Sarah (02:53):
Not a fishbowl, sex with other people's partners.
Mark (02:56):
Neighborhood orgie.
Sarah (03:00):
Whoopsie. But, you know, for those of you who are in
those places where it has such adifferent And
Mark (03:06):
for those of you who partake in neighborhood orgies,
we don't want to offend anybody.
Sarah (03:12):
But people in New Zealand must have been shocked to hear
how we define it. They werelike,
Mark (03:17):
what? We got several comments.
Sarah (03:19):
That's like that's like if we if we said sweets if we
said, oh, it's a 16 party. Andin New Zealand, 16 was a
euphemism not for a birthdayparty for a 16 year old, but for
a party where 16 people show upand have an orgy. And they're
like, wait a minute. That's whatyou call your kid's birthday
party? That's so wrong.
Mark (03:39):
If I had known it was going to be that kind of party
Sarah (03:43):
I wouldn't have come.
Mark (03:44):
I would have put my in the potato
Sarah (03:47):
salad. You're gonna have to bleep that. Yep. And they're
gonna wonder, you you're gonnaput what in potato salad? That's
a quote from a movie.
It is. We had some cool,midsummer news this week from
somebody on subreddit.
Mark (04:01):
The someone on the subreddit posted subreddit. Yes.
Jackserl posted pictures offilming locations for the
current season.
Sarah (04:12):
Yes.
Mark (04:13):
They're filming in their village. They didn't say what
village it was.
Sarah (04:17):
But they took a photo of a yarn shop.
Mark (04:19):
A photo of a yarn shop.
Sarah (04:22):
Maybe they'll be knitting. That would be awesome.
Somebody stabbed with knittingneedles.
Mark (04:25):
There was much discussion on the subreddit about there
being knitting orientedepisodes.
Sarah (04:33):
That would be great.
Mark (04:34):
That would be absolutely fantastic. In addition to that,
we watched Good Girls Guide to
Sarah (04:39):
Murder Mhmm.
Mark (04:40):
This week, which was pretty good.
Sarah (04:43):
I thought it was super fun. Yep. I really liked it.
Mark (04:45):
I think that actress is destined to do more television
or movies.
Sarah (04:50):
Absolutely. She's a
Mark (04:51):
very good
Sarah (04:52):
young actress. Yeah. So the main character. Yep. It's
It's kind of a cross betweenNancy Drew, but with the edge of
reality to it.
If you try to solve a murder inyour village, people are not
going to be happy about it. Itmight get complicated.
Mark (05:10):
My problem was she quit the assignment, like, three
times, which I didn't like.
Sarah (05:14):
You're really stuck on that.
Mark (05:15):
Yep. I'm sorry.
Sarah (05:16):
It's still it's really good. Yep. You should watch it.
You should check it out.
Mark (05:19):
Now from Cradle to Grave season eight episode one,
original air date Canada Day,07/01/2022, only three short
years ago. I can't believe that.
Sarah (05:32):
I know.
Mark (05:33):
Directed by Josh Frizzle and written by Timothy Baum.
Okay. There are two certaintiesin the universe.
Sarah (05:41):
Mhmm.
Mark (05:42):
First, Timothy Baum knows some stupid people.
Sarah (05:45):
Yeah. He has encountered stupid people in his time.
Mark (05:49):
He has indeed. And second of all, he may have a teenage
daughter or access to a friendthat has a teenage daughter who
wears rock and roll T shirts andis nonplussed with the world.
Yes.
Sarah (06:02):
It's kind of a recurring character type.
Mark (06:04):
Yes.
Sarah (06:05):
But but fun. So I'm just gonna start by saying the plot
of this episode is really notimportant. Let's just summarize
it. We spoil things, by the way.Spoiler.
Let's just summarize it a littlebit so we can talk about all the
fun stuff, because in thisepisode, the the crime itself
really isn't that pivotal,interesting, or controversial.
Mark (06:27):
In the midst of a plot to extort an eccentric out of
money, one of the Odds boysfiance murders his mother aunt.
We'll get there.
Sarah (06:41):
Godmother aunt.
Mark (06:42):
Godmother aunt because she doesn't like her. Yeah. That's
it.
Sarah (06:47):
Yeah. That's it. Controlling girlfriend of newly
released prisoner odes kills hismother to get her out of the
way.
Mark (06:55):
Yep. Okay. So that's all irrelevant.
Sarah (06:58):
Yeah. That's all irrelevant.
Mark (06:59):
My first note is cold opening. Well, if it isn't the
old sports.
Sarah (07:07):
They each have their own flavor of stupid. Right? So
there's Bobby, who's the dad.Yes. And then in age order of
the sons, Johnny Yes.
Frodo Yes. And Reese. Reese. Andit's like it's like they had a
pool of smart points, and withevery child that was born, they
(07:27):
had fewer left. And so poorReese is as dumb as
Mark (07:30):
a box of rocks. Reese is incredibly stupid.
Sarah (07:35):
They lift up the sarcophagus in the museum, and
they find that it's heavy. AndFrodo says something about he
didn't know a mummy could be soheavy, and Reese says, maybe
it's a daddy. Like, that's howdumb he is.
Mark (07:49):
I love
Sarah (07:50):
him. And it's his girlfriend who kills his mom.
Mark (07:53):
How on earth does Reese, the actor, the actor who plays
Reese, look at Neil Ray in theface and say, I think I wanna be
an astronaut.
Sarah (08:04):
Yeah. Yeah. Arlo Green, who plays Reese Yes. Has a
phenomenal skill of playingstupid. I don't know how he does
it.
It's It's like when, you know anactor is really good when they
lie in something, like theircharacter is telling a lie, and
(08:26):
they simultaneously fool thecharacter they're talking to,
but you are able to tell they'relying.
Mark (08:32):
That's
Sarah (08:33):
Like that kind of meta acting, that takes a lot of
skill. And I think it also takesa lot of skill to be
convincingly this stupid Oh,absolutely. And not be slapstick
because Reese isn't slapstick.No. Now Johnny By is the end of
(08:54):
the episode, he looks like theuprights at the end of an
American football field becauseboth of his arms are broken.
And in casts that have his armsup in the air, he attends his
own mother aunt's funeral withhis arms up in the air in double
casts. How does he scratch hisbutt? How does he do how does he
get dressed? How does he doanything
Mark (09:15):
This is far with this the funniest episode.
Sarah (09:18):
Yes. So the director of the museum has hired the Odes
Boys to move this Egyptiansarcophagus that she is
pretending is 2,000 years oldbecause she sold it to a local
collector. Now why she wouldallow these morons to move
anything? Like, I wouldn't letthe Odes boys move a boulder
(09:39):
downhill. They're so bad.
Mark (09:41):
I wouldn't let them move my laundry.
Sarah (09:43):
No. They're awful. They definitely put it on the wrong
setting. They're awful. WhenFrodo is the genius of the
group.
Yes. You know, he is the mostcommon sense. He's the least
criminal and by far the leaststupid.
Mark (09:58):
He's also like so there's this pretend mummy. But
Sarah (10:03):
It's a mannequin wrapped in gauze.
Mark (10:06):
Continuously without breaking character, Johnny Odes
continually calls it a Romanmummy.
Sarah (10:15):
I like the Romans Roman pyramids better, but, you know,
that's a matter of
Mark (10:19):
Everything in that section. Everything. They're
talking Frodo to is correct.Yes. And Johnny is wrong.
You're
Sarah (10:26):
wrong about everything.
Mark (10:32):
I have had a deep interest in the Roman period. Yeah. See,
even Frodo looks at him like,what are you talking about?
Sarah (10:40):
Never mind. When they help commit this crime, two of
them unknowing that they'recommitting a crime
Mark (10:46):
Yes.
Sarah (10:47):
It's only been nine hours since Rhys was released from
prison from holding up a bankwearing a dog mask. Like his
probation officer must be like,I told you to stay out of
trouble.
Mark (10:59):
I know you don't come from a small town, but there are
people like this in small townswho, the moment they get out of
trouble are in trouble again.
Sarah (11:08):
Do something stupid again.
Mark (11:10):
Vampires are from Poland, not from Greece. Because
Sarah (11:15):
they're just they're just sleeping. The mummies are just
sleeping.
Mark (11:18):
It is it is almost in need of a laugh track, the jokes.
Sarah (11:23):
Yeah.
Mark (11:23):
They're coming fast and furious.
Sarah (11:26):
Yeah. They're it fast. So clever.
Mark (11:30):
And Johnny Oates is his comic timing is fantastic.
Sarah (11:35):
Yes. That's Without him knowing. Jamie Irvine, who plays
Johnny, just slack jawed, hairin his eyes, and yet convinced
that he is the best looking manin the universe.
Mark (11:48):
If I met Tim Baum's brother and he was sorta like
this, I would not be surprised.No.
Sarah (11:55):
When he comes downstairs in the pub and says, wow. I must
have fell asleep on the toilet.I was on two hours.
Mark (12:03):
Two
Sarah (12:04):
hours. Like, did you hear me? Did you hear how long I was
up there? Two two it was twohours. Two two hours.
Oh. And poor Trudy is just like,can I ban them from my bar,
like, forever? Like, everymember of this family?
Mark (12:20):
Okay. The victim. We need to talk about Janice.
Sarah (12:23):
The singing telegram lady?
Mark (12:25):
Yes. This is what Reese thinks she does. Reese. Oh you
poor sweet boy. Her son.
You poor stupid boy.
Sarah (12:35):
Thinks that she's not a prostitute, that she's a singing
telegram person even thoughnobody sends telegrams anymore.
Mark (12:42):
Yes. Well, she is a prostitute. Is she Frodo's
mother? No. She's his stepmom.
Because his father is unsure ofhis parentage.
Sarah (12:57):
But it's pretty clear who your mom is
Mark (13:00):
Yeah.
Sarah (13:00):
Because she gives birth to you.
Mark (13:02):
Yes.
Sarah (13:03):
So I think Frodo would know who his mom is. Okay. Wow.
You sounded kinda like an odesthere. Do you know who your mom
is?
She was there.
Mark (13:12):
So Janice is not his mom. No. She is his Godmother. His
godmother, his stepmom His andhis aunt. And his aunt.
Sarah (13:22):
Yes.
Mark (13:23):
Now, Frodo's dad has one brother who is currently in jail
because he is the subject of theChristmas episode. When he gets
out of jail, it is the OddsChristmas episode in season
eleven.
Sarah (13:36):
Mhmm.
Mark (13:37):
I think there's another Odds brother though
Sarah (13:40):
Mhmm.
Mark (13:40):
Who is the one that Janice also married.
Sarah (13:44):
Yes. After Bobby.
Mark (13:46):
Yes. Bill Oates family tree is
Sarah (13:50):
It's impossible to figure out.
Mark (13:51):
Yes.
Sarah (13:52):
I don't even think we should try necessarily.
Mark (13:54):
So again, they're having fun with this episode.
Sarah (13:57):
It's complicated. They're family.
Mark (13:59):
So they have a slow walk. They have two slow walks.
Sarah (14:03):
You mean the slow motion montage?
Mark (14:05):
Where they walk into the station.
Sarah (14:07):
The the we mean business?
Mark (14:09):
Yep. We mean business.
Sarah (14:11):
I love that Janice's singing telegram name is Flora
Begonia.
Mark (14:17):
I love that she hits Reese over the head with a badminton
racket because she wants him toplay tennis.
Sarah (14:23):
If that's his version of the story, who knows what
actually happens? He forgot hesaw her earlier this afternoon.
So she
Mark (14:32):
That's when your mom was in rehab. So
Sarah (14:35):
she's wrapped up like a mummy in the sarcophagus. Yep.
Comes out, ketamine'd out, aboutto die, and says, you bastard.
And Reese thinks, she meansJohnny's illegitimate. Yeah.
That's why she said, youbastard. Oh. She knows she's
(14:56):
been drugged with ketamine.That's why she's saying it.
Mark (14:59):
Out of everybody in this episode, including our
principals, I would say thatFrodo is the most even keeled
human in this show.
Sarah (15:07):
He's upset because his His coffee cart has been
impounded. His stepmom aunt. Hisgod god's step aunt is dead.
Mark (15:19):
Is dead. And I think he feels taken advantage of by
Johnny. This is not the firsttime.
Sarah (15:26):
Or the last.
Mark (15:27):
Or the last, and he still feels bad about it.
Sarah (15:30):
The We're never really sure how big Brokenwood is, but
it's clearly not a big town.Yes. There's a lot of references
to the fact that it's not as bigas Riverstone, which is nearby.
So it's it's like a village, andyet it has its own prison, its
own museum. I mean, it's notit's not the Brokenwood History
(15:52):
Center.
That's different.
Mark (15:54):
Well
Sarah (15:55):
This is the Brokenwood Museum. It's a private museum.
Mark (15:58):
The museum has its own problems.
Sarah (16:00):
That charges $10 admission to see a diving helmet
and a fake sarcophagus. That'sdaylight robbery.
Mark (16:07):
The other rooms that were available.
Sarah (16:10):
We know that there's the diving room, the sarcophagus
room. What else is there? Arotating exhibition room.
There's that sign.
Mark (16:20):
Yeah. I was quickly enamored by something because
they show a close-up of themummy sign.
Sarah (16:27):
Mhmm.
Mark (16:28):
And on the the mummy sign they it says the following,
until recently it is believedthe earliest Egyptian mummies
are created naturally due to theenvironment in which they were
buried. And then goes on. Thisis a direct quote from
Wikipedia.
Sarah (16:46):
Oh, set dressers. You could have done better than
that.
Mark (16:48):
You could have done better than that. This museum is weird
for a number of reasons. Firstof all Understatement. The weird
sarcophagus thing. Mhmm.
Right? And the mummy's name.What's the mummy's name? Ruden
Carmese. I think the name is aplay on like, come on.
Like the way they say it, itkinda implies a different name.
Sarah (17:11):
I kept looking at it thinking that it must be a joke
Yeah. Because it's not a realname. Yeah. And not it's not
very Egyptian either. No.
I can only think that Daphne'sdad invented that name.
Mark (17:27):
I think
Sarah (17:27):
so. And it might have been a joke for him.
Mark (17:30):
I think so.
Sarah (17:30):
But I don't know what the joke is. If anybody listening
thinks that they get it, let usknow.
Mark (17:36):
And she wouldn't
Sarah (17:37):
There's gotta be something buried in that.
Mark (17:39):
I also think that she knew that there was no mummy in there
long before she said a.
Sarah (17:45):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think so too. But I think ifit wasn't meant to be a joke,
the name would have been likeNefertari or something. Yes. You
know? It would have sounded moreEgyptian Yes.
Than it is. So Daphne'sdaughter, who is helps out at
the museum, is Fanella. Yes.Talk about names.
Mark (18:05):
So Fanella
Sarah (18:05):
Who names their kid Fanella? Fanella. That poor girl
deserves to be bitter. Her nameis Fanella. The best she can do
is Fanny.
You want to talk about whatsomething means on either sides
of the ocean. Yes. It's not goodon either side. So we did have a
dog named Fanny who waswonderful.
Mark (18:21):
Yes. So Fanella, I love when she's trying to signal to
Daniel.
Sarah (18:29):
To Chalmers that the drugs are in
Mark (18:31):
the Yeah. She's like, Lawnmower? Lucky and a hero.
Sarah (18:36):
I'm looking with my eyes. Well, she's not a narc.
Mark (18:42):
No. But she is you're you're right that she's not a
narc, but she is Fanella isTrudy junior.
Sarah (18:51):
Kinda. Yeah. She's got the attitude.
Mark (18:53):
She's she's got the attitude, but she's doing a job
like Trudy.
Sarah (18:58):
Her dad is Bobby Oates.
Mark (19:00):
Oh my gosh. The poor thing.
Sarah (19:02):
I don't think Daphne's all that bad. Her mom's not bad.
Mark (19:06):
Daphne is the character who puts on airs to And is
secretly broke. Is secretlybroke. Mhmm. That's what she is.
But I didn't
Sarah (19:13):
And she's also not a good liar. When she finds out that
the body is in her trunk, shedoes not do a good job of hiding
it. No. She's lucky that Mike islooking away.
Mark (19:22):
Yes. She also has bad taste in men with Bobby Oates.
How much Flaming Sambuca wouldyou have to drink? A lot. That's
a that is a nice eightiesdrinking reference.
Sarah (19:36):
Like unconscious
Mark (19:38):
Yeah. A lot. Have you ever had a flaming sambuca? No.
Tastes like black licorice.
Sarah (19:44):
The only flaming drink I've ever had is absinthe.
Because you like the sugar cubeon fire?
Mark (19:50):
Yes. We've talked about the best parts of this episode
already, and we still have muchto talk about.
Sarah (19:56):
Mhmm.
Mark (19:57):
I think the joke of the episode is I found pouring water
over the coffee grounds betterthan the other way around. This
is what Chalmers says to Sims.Everybody is in on this.
Sarah (20:14):
Mhmm. The coffee jokes.
Mark (20:15):
Chalmers says this to Sims, and then she looks at him
in his face, his big old headface, and says, oh, I think I'll
try that. What were you doing?That's so good.
Sarah (20:33):
Well, and then later she says that she offered Mike a
coffee when he heard over theradio that Johnny had stolen
Mike's car, and he didn't wantany.
Mark (20:42):
They that
Sarah (20:43):
And Chalmers is like, maybe he just had his fill for
the day. Like, No. Not maybe itwas because you were making it.
Mark (20:50):
That scene where Johnny Ode steals the car. Priceless.
So much to get to. Mike, you seethe blood drain out of his head.
I wanna know as an actor what hewas thinking.
Sarah (21:05):
What Neil Ray was thinking of that made him look
that way. He's very good aboutacting about that car. I love
it. So when they so Johnny hidesin the cemetery for a while so
that he doesn't have to bequestioned. I don't know what
he's thinking is gonna happen.
Like, he's gonna hide thereforever.
Mark (21:26):
Yep.
Sarah (21:27):
Or they're just gonna forget that they wanna talk to
him about this woman's death.But then when they do catch him,
he pretends to be insane. Sothey put him in the hospital.
And he's laying there,butterflies with pumpkin heads
and, like
Mark (21:40):
And doctor Ginger is like taking him not seriously, but
she's dealing with him in amedical way.
Sarah (21:49):
It has to be hard to diagnose somebody that stupid
who is also a criminal liar.Because you can't trust anything
they self report
Mark (21:56):
about There how they has to be people who come into
emergency rooms and say thestupidest thing.
Sarah (22:03):
Especially when they've been brought in by the police.
Mark (22:05):
Yeah. The thing I wanna say is this. The Odes gene is
evolutionarily created to annoythe Sims gene. Yes. Every single
thing they do, she just is donewith it.
Sarah (22:25):
You know, we've not met Frodo's mom, but she must be a
rocket scientist for her hersmarts to balance out with the
old stupid Yeah. And come upwith Frodo who's, like, kind of
okay.
Mark (22:37):
Kind of okay.
Sarah (22:40):
When when they're recounting how Johnny sells
drugs from his lawnmower, andFanella is watching him
Mark (22:49):
And that's the worst drug deal ever.
Sarah (22:53):
He's got one of those gripper arm things that you use
to pick trash up.
Mark (22:59):
And this is sad because we're laughing at murder and
drug deals. I know.
Sarah (23:02):
It's funny. He's so stupid. So Fanella is standing
outside of the museum. Yes. AndAbigail, the murderer, who we
have hardly talked about, comesout to tell her it's time to get
back to work.
Fanella is holding a cup, like ato go cup.
Mark (23:21):
Yes.
Sarah (23:21):
Did you see it? No. She's drinking a soda standing out
there. And the to go cup has agiraffe on it, and it says the
longest, and then her hand iscovering the next word. Okay.
I tried, maybe it's from like aknown
Mark (23:39):
Fast food place.
Sarah (23:40):
Gas station chain, couldn't find anything about it.
So what the missing word is, Idon't know. Maybe it's the
longest sip, I don't know. It'snot a particularly big for
American cups anyway. Yeah.
So he deals drugs from hisriding lawnmower.
Mark (23:55):
Yes.
Sarah (23:56):
Which sort of limits the range of his drug dealing. I
mean, I know he puts it on atrailer and drives it around,
but you know, come on.
Mark (24:07):
I wonder. My first thought at that point in time was, was
he the one that sold the nutmegto the other people?
Sarah (24:16):
Why would they have to
Mark (24:17):
I don't know.
Sarah (24:18):
Buy nutmeg from a drug dealer? Like, you just go to the
grocery store.
Mark (24:20):
They were pretty stupid, and he's pretty stupid.
Sarah (24:23):
Well, they were at a key party, so, know, who knows about
them. Exactly. The lady from theNational Museum who comes to
inspect the sarcophagus toensure that they're storing it
properly is named AntigoneJames.
Mark (24:34):
Which is fantastically named.
Sarah (24:37):
It's almost nominative determinism. Yeah.
Mark (24:40):
And she is there solely to provide some grounding of the
like, this is a great example ofanyone outside of Riverstone and
Brokenwood because Looney McToonhe's in Riverstone, the dog food
magnate. Yeah. Anyone outside ofthose places has a grasp of
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reality that the people in thisepisode do not have.
Sarah (25:03):
Do not have.
Mark (25:04):
Yeah. Mike's like, we should keep this climate
controlled and stuff. And she'slike, no.
Sarah (25:10):
Like, they shouldn't even have touched it if it was real.
Yeah. They shouldn't even havetouched it. No. No.
And she's like, this is mademaybe in the nineteen forties.
Mark (25:19):
Well, I love that it kind of plays reverse on the
colonialism. Right? Becausethere's a whole podcast called
Things the British Stole.
Sarah (25:32):
Mhmm.
Mark (25:32):
Right? The idea that somebody from a white Western
country came to your placeespecially during war the
(25:53):
Egyptians never gave them anartifact. No. The Egyptians sold
them a pig in a poke.
Sarah (25:59):
Yeah. An empty pig in a poke. Yeah. We see the dry erase
board Yes. In the policestation.
Mark (26:05):
It has the weekly schedule on it.
Sarah (26:07):
Oh, then I saw a different dry
Mark (26:08):
erase one did you see?
Sarah (26:10):
The one right outside Mike's office.
Mark (26:11):
What did it have on it?
Sarah (26:13):
A to do list. Oh. It says file evidence for school report,
reports for South Road break in,and case 84 evidence arriving.
Mark (26:23):
I need a screenshot of that because the one in his
office
Sarah (26:27):
It's at fifty five minutes if you wanna
Mark (26:29):
see in his office that used to have the financial stuff
on it has, like, meeting dailymeeting 08:00 and, you know, it
has times and a schedule.
Sarah (26:40):
Because that's how you keep your schedules on a big dry
erase board.
Mark (26:43):
I I guess.
Sarah (26:44):
What a hassle that would be. So Johnny's in the hospital
acting crazy. He's our and hedecides to break out and steal
Mike's car.
Mark (26:53):
Because the it's Keystone Cops. Has to borrow Mike's car.
Sarah (26:59):
Because Frodo's is broken down and is blocking the parking
lot.
Mark (27:02):
And Sims is in Riverwood Riverstone talking to the dog
food magnet. So all those thingshave to line up like they they
do a great job applauding thisepisode because all those things
have to line up for two things.For Johnny to steal Mike's car
and for Chalmers to try to getin the smart car. And I think
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they probably worked backwards.Yeah.
They were like, okay. We need
Sarah (27:33):
We want a scene where Chalmers has to commandeer a car
and can't fit.
Mark (27:37):
Okay. So who would he be chasing? Well, Johnny, of
course. Yeah. Okay.
Johnny escaped
Sarah (27:41):
from the car. His own car?
Mark (27:43):
Why doesn't he have his own car?
Sarah (27:44):
Because Johnny stole Mike's car.
Mark (27:46):
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I can't go and then, well, why
doesn't he take Sims car?Because Sims Yeah.
From Riverstone and why like
Sarah (27:54):
Chalmers tries to get into that car and he hops out
again and goes, as you were. Andhe goes, and comes, here's a
different car. Now you've drivena smart car. Did you feel like
that getting into it?
Mark (28:05):
No. I didn't feel I'm I'm a big guy, if you don't know.
I'm not exceptionally tall guy.I'm a normally sized tall guy
but I'm I'm a bigger person. Ididn't feel that way in the
smart car because I was alone.
Yeah. Like having passenger too.Having a passenger would have
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been weird. I did feel like,okay, you know those kids cars
that are like, it's like a bigtykes car.
Sarah (28:36):
Like a pedal car?
Mark (28:37):
It's a pedal car that has a red bottom and a yellow top.
Mhmm. Going beside A real car?No. No.
A transport. Oh. I totally feltlike I was in one of those.
Sarah (28:49):
You guys have to know. So when Mark drove a smart car, it
was shortly after they werefirst released. Yes. They were
kind of novelty, that you didn'tsee many of them around. And he
went to Canada to visit hisfamily, and he was gonna, he
rented a car, and he would haveflown to Toronto.
Mark (29:07):
I flew to Toronto,
Sarah (29:08):
then Ottawa. Then Ottawa. Yep. And he's on the road
driving the, what, two hours toyour
Mark (29:15):
No, like forty minutes.
Sarah (29:17):
To family. And he calls me to tell me that he's on the
ground, and he's got a car andeverything. And he's talking to
me, and all I can hear in thebackground. I'm like, what is
that sound? And he's like, oh,it's a car.
I was like, that doesn't soundright. That car's not right.
That's what you rented? And he'slike, it's a smart car. Like,
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you're driving a smart car?
Yes. Like, is it not roomy?Okay? It's not roomy.
Mark (29:47):
I was definitely like, I showed up at my mother's house
and my brother came over liketwenty minutes later and and was
like, we heard you have a smartcar.
Sarah (29:59):
That was before electric cars had generated sounds that
made them
Mark (30:05):
It was totally
Sarah (30:06):
sound like an electric car. It was totally A novelty
Mark (30:11):
in town? The small town novelty car.
Sarah (30:14):
So let's talk about Gordon Godby. Okay. He who has
offered to buy the sarcophagusfor a $100,000.
Mark (30:25):
Yes. So he is stupidly rich. Yes. Because his family
has engineered it that he can dono harm to himself. Right.
But he has enough money to spenda $100,000 on something. Yes. So
they have to be unbelievablyrich. Yes.
Sarah (30:49):
They have As a provided for him and also insulated the
company from him.
Mark (30:55):
Yes.
Sarah (30:55):
Gordon Dogby Godby. Not only How old do you think he is?
Seventies?
Mark (31:03):
Seventies. Not only did he get the newspaper reporter to
write a fake biography for him.
Sarah (31:09):
Do you think that was what's her name?
Mark (31:11):
Kushla? It is. It's Oh, okay. They they say it's Kushla.
Sarah (31:15):
I I missed that they said it was Kushla.
Mark (31:16):
Same as Kushla. Know her.
Sarah (31:19):
So It's called My Life in Ruins. My
Mark (31:22):
Life in Ruins.
Sarah (31:24):
It should have been called I Ruined It. Yes. There.
I ruined it.
Mark (31:28):
Plus, he's a foot fetishist guy. Not that there's
anything wrong with foot fetish,but I do not want Janice's feet
anywhere near me.
Sarah (31:39):
Janice's feet may be the prettiest part of her because
her face is not up there. No.She's got some scars and some
dimples and weird places.
Mark (31:48):
She is a fantastic actress.
Sarah (31:50):
She's a good actress.
Mark (31:51):
She must have walked in and they went, yes.
Sarah (31:53):
Not a looker.
Mark (31:54):
Right there.
Sarah (31:55):
She's got the full lash line eyeliner on top and bottom.
Top and bottom. Not only is heinto feet, but he's into
archaeology and feet. Like, sothe scene, if you don't
remember, if it's been a while,is he hires her
Mark (32:13):
So it's a flashback Yeah. To hire her
Sarah (32:15):
to as a seeing telegram lady. What did your dad call
prostitutes? Women waiting
Mark (32:24):
Women for the waiting for the bus.
Sarah (32:25):
Yeah. As a woman waiting for the bus, she comes over, and
he has this sandstone preparedYeah. With a spot in the back of
it for her foot,
Mark (32:35):
I guess. I mean I don't believe this is the first time
this happened.
Sarah (32:39):
This this takes a lot of effort It does. So that he can
pretend to excavate her foot.
Mark (32:45):
And then she says, is this gonna end soon?
Sarah (32:49):
Is this gonna take much longer?
Mark (32:50):
Like
Sarah (32:52):
She's not enthusiastic.
Mark (32:53):
You have to reevaluate your life when the hookers in
your life
Sarah (32:57):
are asking to leave over. All I know is that Phil from
Time Team would not approve ofhis excavation approach.
Mark (33:06):
No. No. This is not self approved.
Sarah (33:11):
But he he's kind of a feat. Like, the way he eats the
sausage roll
Mark (33:17):
Yes.
Sarah (33:18):
Is kind of a feat. And yet, he's clearly into women
Mark (33:23):
Yes.
Sarah (33:23):
Or at least their feet. I don't know.
Mark (33:26):
And then he does the thing that is the best thing for him
to do, which he should have doneearlier, which is call his
lawyer
Sarah (33:33):
Dennis Buchanan. Dennis
Mark (33:34):
Buchanan shows up.
Sarah (33:36):
So if you had to, would you rather admit to a stranger
that you were in the bathroomfor twenty minutes because you
had curry diarrhea, or admit tothem that you enjoyed putting on
a diving helmet and pretendingto be a deep sea diver.
Mark (33:54):
I don't know why he just doesn't fess up there.
Sarah (33:56):
Would be less embarrassing to you. It's not
embarrassing at all.
Mark (34:00):
He was enjoying the exhibits. That's what he was
doing.
Sarah (34:03):
I don't think you're supposed to put them on. But,
like, if you had to confess toone or the other
Mark (34:10):
Yeah. The Dennis' explanation of the curry is
fantastic. Yeah.
Sarah (34:18):
Was it spicy curry? Oh, man. You were in for it. You
were asking for it there. He's agood liar.
Mark (34:23):
We did some digging into Dennis Buchanan. So Dennis
Buchanan is played by ShaneCortese.
Sarah (34:32):
And we we did this because we saw that Instagram
post. Yes.
Mark (34:38):
What From started Shane Cortese. Yes. In which we
learned that Shane Cortese isnot only an actor, he's also a
real estate agent and anauctioneer. Yeah. So first of
all, Shane is a fantastic actor.
Sarah (34:53):
Oh, yeah. But the Instagram post that we saw
initially was him talking aboutreal estate because he is a real
estate agent. Like, it wasadvertising a new development.
There But the thing that we aspokesperson for it.
Mark (35:08):
The thing we noticed was he is Dennis. Yes.
Sarah (35:14):
Either he he always is that person as soon as a camera
aims at him, or that is who heis all the time.
Mark (35:20):
I have absolutely he's not in anything else. No. Nothing
else. No. So obviously, Tim Baumwas trying to buy a house or
something, ran across this guyand said you're
Sarah (35:31):
the guy.
Mark (35:32):
You're the man for us. Come on.
Sarah (35:33):
And he was like, I always wanted to act. Yeah. Sounds
good. He's great.
Mark (35:37):
He is the non aggressive, positive salesperson in your
life.
Sarah (35:44):
Yeah. He's not skeezy.
Mark (35:46):
He's not skeezy.
Sarah (35:46):
He's not trying to trick anybody.
Mark (35:48):
None of those.
Sarah (35:48):
He's actually an ethical lawyer.
Mark (35:50):
He does a fantastic amount. The actor also does a
fantastic amount for charity.Yeah. So he's a fantastic guy,
but he is that guy. Like, thecadence was the same.
Sarah (36:05):
It was the same. When I first saw that Instagram post, I
thought, oh, they've hired theactor to be a spokesperson for
the real estate company. Yes.No, no. There was another post
where they were looking to hireanother agent, and it was him
talking about, this is what ourculture is like.
This is who we're looking for. Ihope you'll apply. And he's on
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the website. I mean, like, heworks there. I was very
surprised by that.
Mark (36:34):
Okay. We have to deal with this.
Sarah (36:37):
Even split, seventythirty? Eighty twenty.
That's the odds even split.
Mark (36:42):
Frodo's dad, Johnny's dad, Reese's dad, same person, is a
bit skeezy when it comes towomen and predatoriness.
Sarah (36:52):
Yeah. For a guy who wears overalls, he has too much self
confidence.
Mark (36:57):
But in a really funny way. I don't
Sarah (37:00):
I don't know how funny it is. When he looks Abigail up and
down, it's gross.
Mark (37:04):
It is gross? The first thing he says to Trudy is, do
you remember? You'd make a goodmom.
Sarah (37:11):
Yeah. Because he has eight kids and counting or 11
kids and counting.
Mark (37:16):
Trudy isn't Trudy is fantastically Trudy in this
episode. And this is the highpoint of Trudy because she says,
I'm not a narc, but then sheexplains
Sarah (37:26):
Yes. Then she narcs.
Mark (37:27):
That she like, in the truest sense of the word of a
narcotics officer Yes. She givesup Johnny for selling drugs in
the bathroom. Like, she totallynarcs on me.
Sarah (37:40):
I'm no narc, but he sells ketamine. Yes. What would a narc
have said? I'm not really sure.It's it's like she's saying, I'm
not paid to tell you this.
I'm not a professional narc.
Mark (37:55):
But the Oates family, and Johnny comes by this from his
father, is they all have a wayof talking in which they don't
talk about the truth and theyimply other things.
Sarah (38:07):
Mhmm.
Mark (38:08):
Like like when he talks about, we're not really sure
about Frodo. They just kind ofskip over that really quick.
Sarah (38:15):
Bobby and Johnny do that. Yeah. Reese is too stupid
Mark (38:19):
Reese is too stupid.
Sarah (38:20):
To be slick.
Mark (38:21):
And I believe that Frodo's good heart tries to keep him out
of doing. I don't think Frodo
Sarah (38:27):
I think Frodo would be perfectly happy to run his
coffee cart, actually date thegirl who says she's not his
girlfriend, Kimmy Yes. And mindhis own business.
Mark (38:35):
Yes. I think he would be absolutely pleased with that.
Sarah (38:40):
Back to Gordon for just a second. Yes. At one hour and
nine minutes
Mark (38:45):
Yes.
Sarah (38:45):
One hour and nine minutes, they are in Gordon's
home yet again. Yes. I thinkit's him and Sims talking about
Mark (38:53):
Which I think his home is a museum. It's beautiful.
Sarah (38:56):
Yeah. But it is the conversation where Buchanan
shows up.
Mark (39:01):
Yes.
Sarah (39:01):
Right? Where he's admitting it wasn't Curry, it
was a diving costume Yes. Thathe was occupied with for twenty
two minutes. In the room thatthey are in, there is a very
strange painting Yes. That takesup much of a wall.
And the only way I can describethis painting is a man seemingly
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saying, are those my feet? Willput a picture of this painting.
Mark (39:27):
Will put a picture of this painting in the show notes.
Sarah (39:31):
It's kind of a good painting, I think, maybe. Again
It's hard to say. Rich. So it itcould be like a well known
artist. It could be, as you say,like an actual museum
collection, maybe.
But the painting is of a manwith a lot of empty space around
him standing, looking down athis own feet with a face that
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just says confusion. Like, whendid those get there? Yeah.
Talking about his feet. It'sworth looking at.
If anybody knows what it is, letus know. So this let's talk
about the body. Okay. So Daphnehas probably known for a while
that there's no actual mummy inthe sarcophagus, but now she
wants to sell it. And Gordon isdumb enough to not know, because
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he's not an archaeologist,though he pretends to be one,
see his book.
She knows if he finds out thatthere's no mummy in it, he's not
gonna buy it. Yep. So she wantsa body in there. Yes. She goes
to Bobby Yes.
The father of her child, andsays, you've never paid child
support. You've been a deadbeather whole life. Yes. I need a
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favor, and you're gonna do it.Yes.
I want you to dig up Gwen, andwe're gonna put Gwen's body in
the sarcophagus.
Mark (40:49):
Yes.
Sarah (40:50):
Okay? Now, let's just think about the logistics of
this.
Mark (40:53):
Again, there is no reality in this episode. You cannot pick
up a 100 year old body from acasket
Sarah (41:01):
Like a plastic skeleton.
Mark (41:02):
Like a pointed skeleton that it is. Yes.
Sarah (41:06):
So Gwen doesn't have a last name on her tombstone. So I
can only assume she has nofamily and was unidentified.
Mark (41:13):
I wouldn't be stunned if it was Gwen Oates.
Sarah (41:16):
Yeah. But seemingly they've at least chosen somebody
who doesn't have family who'sgonna care. Yep. Maybe. Poor
Gwen.
So Bobby digs her up, and Iguess then wraps her in gauze.
Mark (41:30):
I guess so.
Sarah (41:31):
Which would not have been easy to do. Never mind, there
would have been some kind ofcasket I would think, even if it
was just a wood casket.
Mark (41:40):
Well, never mind. Johnny goes to the grocery goes to the
department store and steals themannequin. Yeah. Like, that's
clearly a mannequin and like, ithas one of those fashion poses.
Sarah (41:53):
It was never gonna fit in sarcophagus.
Mark (41:55):
Never. Sorry.
Sarah (41:56):
I don't know what Janice was thinking. She might have
measured the width of it, butnot the depth of it because No.
It wouldn't have fit. No. So soBobby digs up Gwen, then they
put Gwen that Bobby has wrapped
Mark (42:12):
up Yes.
Sarah (42:13):
Into the sarcophagus. Yes.
Mark (42:16):
This is at the museum. Yeah. It has three employees and
nobody comes to it.
Sarah (42:21):
Right. Abigail decides to stash Janice's body. Now I think
wrapping Janice in gauzywrappings would be even harder
than wrapping because she's nota tiny woman.
Mark (42:37):
Well, she's a knitter.
Sarah (42:40):
You think she knit the The
Mark (42:41):
sweaters. The sweaters. That Reese has on is horrific.
Sarah (42:49):
It's it's bad.
Mark (42:50):
She's a good cook. She's not a knitter.
Sarah (42:54):
When they have the flashback of Abigail committing
the crime Yes. And she slingsJanice's body over the cart that
she uses for this supper withher ass up in the air. Abigail
is secretly super strong.
Mark (43:12):
She is clearly because she
Sarah (43:14):
can move the lid of the sarcophagus by herself. Yep. Get
Gwen out. Yep. Lift Janice up.
Mark (43:22):
Yes.
Sarah (43:23):
High enough to put her in the sarcophagus.
Mark (43:26):
Wait. She's a small woman. She's up to her head height
Yeah.
Sarah (43:30):
To get Shoulder height
Mark (43:32):
Yeah.
Sarah (43:32):
With Janice Yep. Who she's already wrapped up in
gauze on the side of the road, Iguess, by her car. I guess? And
put her in the trunk. Maybe?
To then get her out and put herin.
Mark (43:45):
Again, this makes no sense.
Sarah (43:47):
Avigail is a psycho. Yep. But she's talented.
Mark (43:51):
She is.
Sarah (43:52):
She's really strong.
Mark (43:53):
And and again, she is a good cook.
Sarah (43:56):
She can knit. She's not a good cook. She can put things in
the oven.
Mark (44:00):
That's true.
Sarah (44:00):
She puts frozen things in the oven. I'm not impressed with
her cooking. No. When she saysMaybe she makes the vol au vent
from scratch.
Mark (44:07):
When she says, I know that's what the instructions
say, but I know differently. I'mlike, oh, you're that person.
Sarah (44:18):
Like, okay. Think Abigail's mother is in the back
room in a rocking rocking chair.Chair.
Mark (44:24):
I definitely think that could happen. Mother. Yes.
Roadblocks. Abigail, like, isthat kind of person.
Like, if you're making food andyou don't have a recipe or you
do have a recipe, you follow theinstructions and you can maybe
fiddle with it a bit. But ifyou're taking something out of a
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package and it has instructionsof how to cook it, you follow
those instructions.
Sarah (44:51):
I don't know about that. I don't always follow them.
Sometimes they're wrong. Theyshouldn't be, but anybody who's
ever made frozen french frieswill tell you the time on the
back on the bag is wrong. It's alie.
Mark (45:03):
I I just have trouble with that.
Sarah (45:05):
Well, the shoebox recreation is brilliant. When
they have the doll and theskeleton and the shoebox. Yes.
And the mummy, which I think isa Barbie wrapped in toilet
paper. And they're like, well,the Holly Hobby could go in, and
(45:26):
then the skeleton can come out.
Mark (45:28):
Yes. And then
Sarah (45:28):
because you almost have to do that to figure out and
Abigail did all of that?
Mark (45:33):
Yes. At this point in time, before the funeral, which
is one of the best parts of the
Sarah (45:38):
episode Yes.
Mark (45:40):
I think there's a Johnny Odes mowing sign in the cop
shop.
Sarah (45:47):
Oh, yeah. A flyer.
Mark (45:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Which is brilliant because he sells drugs
while he's doing it.
Sarah (45:53):
Yes. And he's basically advertising in the cop shop?
Yes. So they do the therecreation of the shoe with the
shoebox. Yeah.
But then they've got to go backto the museum and actually time
it to figure out if Abigailactually had enough time to
commit the crime, right?
Mark (46:11):
Who else goes to these lectures? And why isn't Miss M
there?
Sarah (46:16):
You know who goes to those
Mark (46:19):
lectures? Yes.
Sarah (46:20):
Who want a free sausage roll.
Mark (46:22):
Yes.
Sarah (46:22):
And we've all know we all know those people. Yeah. I'm
surprised there's not aretirement home bus out front
Mark (46:27):
Yes.
Sarah (46:28):
That brings people an empty amount to go and get a
night of entertainment. But theyrecreate the crime, timing it to
see if Abigail could have doneit. And poor Chalmers has to
pretend to give a lecture. Yes.And he decides to give one about
how country music increases thechance of divorce.
Mark (46:44):
The divorce.
Sarah (46:45):
It's so funny. And in conclusion, country western
music causes more divorces. It'sgreat.
Mark (46:52):
They they started this season and this episode and
said, this is an Odds episode.Mhmm. And everybody sat back in
their chairs and went,
Sarah (47:01):
okay, it's on. Yeah. Full full on. No stops. Yep.
Frodo is speaking at thefuneral.
Mark (47:08):
Yes. So they have a funeral for Janice.
Sarah (47:11):
There's what? 10 people there?
Mark (47:13):
So Frodo, Johnny, Bobby
Sarah (47:16):
Reese, Abigail Reese, Abigail. Mike, Sam.
Mark (47:19):
Some red haired woman there.
Sarah (47:22):
And like three extras.
Mark (47:23):
Three extras. Johnny is in his Jesus Christ pose.
Sarah (47:28):
Yes. No, he's in the field goal post.
Mark (47:32):
Yes, he's in the field goal post.
Sarah (47:34):
Reese has already said the last time he saw his mom,
other than earlier that day,that he's forgotten about was
when she hit him with a tennisracket. No. A badminton racket
because she wanted him to playtennis. Yep. And Frodo is at the
front of the church saying thatauntie mom was a really good
tennis player.
Mark (47:55):
Frodo is so like, he plays it so clean in this episode.
Sarah (48:00):
And then Reverend Green, Janice was well loved by many,
most who could not be heretoday.
Mark (48:09):
So they decide to turn a negative into a positive and
have a wedding. At this pointSims is like, now? Can we break
this up now?
Sarah (48:18):
Abigail is full on psycho now. Yeah. She's kind, but weird
initially. And when you see hermeet Janice in the flashback at
the museum, she seems likelegitimately trying to
ingratiate herself with Janice.Like, I'm sorry.
I think we got off on the wrongfoot.
Mark (48:37):
Yes.
Sarah (48:38):
You know?
Mark (48:39):
And she goes, of course you know who I am. And Janice is
like, Janice is a horrific.She's a horrific person.
Sarah (48:46):
Oh, yeah.
Mark (48:46):
But she has no idea
Sarah (48:47):
who She's also shrewd. Yes. Because though she's a bad
mother who probably droppedReese on his head and hit him
with
Mark (48:55):
He fell on his head.
Sarah (48:56):
And hit him with a badminton racket or whatever,
she's like, he's dumb, and I'mnot going to let the least I can
do is not let somebody takeadvantage of him.
Mark (49:05):
Yeah. She reads her in a second. Yeah.
Sarah (49:09):
She's like, I got your number, your mom's in the back
room. Doubt you're a Skypeanyway. Mummified in a shawl
rocking in a rocking You'recreepy, stay away from my son.
Mark (49:20):
Her eyes, at this point in time, Abigail's eyes go full on,
like it's all white Yeah. Aroundaround around the pupil.
Sarah (49:28):
But when Jana says that, she is signing her death
warrant. Oh, yeah. And shedoesn't know it. Nope. Like, oh,
Abigail's just like, I'm goingto kill you later.
Bye. It just clicks in her head.And at the so she's little bit
crazy because she's datingReese, And starts writing him
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because he's in prison, andshe's like, well, if all he's
got is Johnny
Mark (49:57):
Well, he's in for thirteen long ones.
Sarah (49:59):
Yeah. Years? Months. She's like, is the least I could
do is write this guy letters tokeep him company, though he's
probably two blocks away at themen's prison, wherever that is.
Mark (50:11):
And she has a long string of crazy town boyfriend
encounters too.
Sarah (50:15):
Yeah. So she goes from that to the Janice encounter, a
little bit crazier.
Mark (50:21):
Yeah.
Sarah (50:22):
Then we see them at home Yep. With the tea and the
sweaters, and she's more crazy.Yep. Insists on reading one of
the letters that Reese wrote herfrom prison, which he didn't
write. Didn't write thoseletters.
Mark (50:36):
Yeah, okay.
Sarah (50:38):
By the time we get to the funeral, and they're up behind
the podium, she's full on crazy.
Mark (50:45):
Oh, she is like, I got the marriage license downtown today.
Sarah (50:49):
Yeah, She has planned it all out. Yep. Yeah, he can be an
astronaut.
Mark (50:55):
Yeah.
Sarah (50:57):
Like there have been times when you've said, you
know, I don't think I want to dothis thing. And I thought, maybe
I don't if you really want to,I'm behind you. Yeah. Like, it's
totally possible. You can do it.
I don't know if you should, butif you want to, you got me.
Yeah. I'm there. But if yousaid, I think I wanna be an
astronaut, I'd say, honey, areyou okay? Yeah.
(51:19):
Like, let's talk about it.
Mark (51:20):
I am not astronaut material. No. And I accepted
that at like eight.
Sarah (51:29):
Is that when they put you on that gravity machine and you
threw up? No. Like when youstarted, they started the tests?
No. Canada doesn't really have aspace program, do they?
Mark (51:39):
We borrow yours. Yeah. Have astronauts who hitch a ride
Sarah (51:43):
on it. Hitch a ride. Yeah. Yeah, you don't really
borrow it.
Mark (51:46):
Chris Hatfield.
Sarah (51:46):
Yeah.
Mark (51:47):
Being the most well known. So
Sarah (51:51):
you didn't have a lot of role models to look up to.
Mark (51:53):
No. But I did grow up in the time in the mid seventies
where I was, like, convinced Iwould be living on the moon by
February.
Sarah (52:04):
See, this is we have a small difference in age, but the
difference in age is enough isthat as a kid, I thought
astronauts blew up while youwatch them on TV.
Mark (52:12):
Well, and then they came out with the the shuttle, and I
was like, that doesn't look likea moon base.
Sarah (52:22):
Nobody's gonna live in that.
Mark (52:25):
How am I gonna get to the moon in that?
Sarah (52:28):
And when I do, where am I gonna live?
Mark (52:30):
And then, like, Billy Bragg has a fantastic song about
this. It's called The Space Raceis Over.
Sarah (52:35):
Maybe Reese should have heard that song. Yeah. He
wouldn't understand Billy Bragg,I don't think.
Mark (52:40):
No. But but
Sarah (52:41):
So so Abigail's there. She's got a marriage license
already. I mean, Rev Green istrying everything to, like,
diffuse the weirdness. And thenjust is like, I guess I gotta go
with it because There has I wantthis to be over.
Mark (52:54):
There has to be meetings of clergy or liturgical people
in a community where theydiscuss things like, oh, boy. I
had a wedding funeral this week.Like where you talk about the
job. Mhmm.
Sarah (53:08):
Where you get to say, this woman came to me to perform
her husband's funeral and shewanted me to Yes. Did you do it?
Well, it was his last wish soyeah. Yep. I wore the bunny
suit.
It meant a lot to them. Likethey gotta ask somebody who will
sympathize with them.
Mark (53:28):
Speaking of like the comedy of this is brilliant
because Bobby asks about thelife insurance, asks about it
again.
Sarah (53:36):
She'd want her kids to be taken care of and she'd expect
me to do it.
Mark (53:40):
Asks a third time and then knows he has stepped over the
line about asking it Yeah. Andnever mentions it again.
Sarah (53:48):
Nope. Nope. He's gotta be good at identifying the shit
show and slipping out. Yes. Hewould not be where he is, having
survived that many women notkilling him.
Mark (54:01):
Yes.
Sarah (54:04):
Must understand, this situation's too hot for me. I'm
out.
Mark (54:09):
Yes. I'm going back to the graveyard.
Sarah (54:11):
There's no advantage here for me. Yes. I'm gonna go. She
Well, it's Abigail grabs funeralflowers for her bouquet.
Mark (54:21):
It's Bobby Yodes. He goes, am I gonna get either some sex
or a child out of thissituation? No. Okay. I'm gone.
Or cash?
Sarah (54:31):
Yeah. No? Yeah. I'm goodbye. I got better things to
do.
Yep. I'm gonna go dig a perfectgrave.
Mark (54:38):
Now I wanna watch. I wanna watch the Christmas Ode show
from season eleven again. Mhmm.Because I think there are so
many callbacks to this episodeThat we
Sarah (54:48):
would have forgotten.
Mark (54:48):
That we would have forgotten.
Sarah (54:49):
Like in that episode, and this is not a spoiler if you
haven't seen it, Johnny is justgetting out of prison, and they
say that part of the reason whyhe was in prison was that he
mishandled human remains.
Mark (55:02):
Yes.
Sarah (55:03):
And I couldn't remember, like, what did he do? I had And
it's forgotten this, it's himhelping move Gwen's body around.
Mark (55:11):
I had forgotten the whole Janus sarcophagus, Egyptian, I
Roman, pyramids, was just like,oh, it's the Oates family
episode.
Sarah (55:20):
I've never been to a funeral wedding before.
Mark (55:22):
No. Neither have I. And Mike as a girlfriend. The end.
Sarah (55:30):
The end. That he's not telling them about.
Mark (55:33):
So do you think, like, we're supposed to not know who
this is, but we know who it
Sarah (55:39):
is? Mhmm.
Mark (55:42):
Who did we think it was at the time? Because there's no
indication in this episode whoit is.
Sarah (55:47):
No. I don't know. Because Mike's love life is such a
mystery Yeah. That I don't thinkwe could have guessed unless we
thought maybe it was his ex.Maybe.
The one who's not with thecheese monger.
Mark (55:59):
Now, when you watch the last episode of season seven, it
is obvious what they're settingup. Mhmm. Because we know.
Sarah (56:07):
Yeah. Looking back,
Mark (56:08):
it's clear. I don't think
Sarah (56:10):
I don't think I picked it up at the
Mark (56:11):
time when I
Sarah (56:12):
first saw it. No. Not at all. No. After the credits, it's
pretty easy in this one.
Johnny goes to jail. Abigailgoes to jail.
Mark (56:20):
Reese becomes an ambulance driver.
Sarah (56:27):
Of course he does. You know, because he's driving
around bodies. He's done itbefore.
Mark (56:32):
I I just have more feelings for Frodo. And also, if
you remember, the very firsttime we're introduced to Frodo,
the first episode, Kristen sayssomething about the Odes family
in that episode. Mhmm. And theyjust put that in the little
envelope and they said, we'llget to that later.
Sarah (56:55):
It was like a rainbow that they penciled in the very
beginning of it
Mark (57:00):
Yep.
Sarah (57:00):
Knowing there was an arc Yep. And it was gonna come back.
It'll we'll get there.
Mark (57:05):
And the Oates family story is not up. And I don't wanna I
don't wanna give you anyspoilers. But if this episode is
11, the Oates family Christmasis 15.
Sarah (57:16):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. At least. At least. It's like this, but
everybody's on ketamine.
Yes. Oh, so that is from thecradle to the grave. Yes. Poor
Reese. I don't
Mark (57:32):
wanna call it the best episode because I like other
episodes.
Sarah (57:36):
It is the funniest episode.
Mark (57:38):
By far the funniest episode.
Sarah (57:40):
Until the Odds family Christmas, which I think is
funnier. But this is very funny.It's an awesome way to start a
season.
Mark (57:48):
It is a fantastic way to start the season. Next week, we
will cover in season eightepisode two death and bass about
the killer bass at the musicfestival.
Sarah (58:00):
It's like drum and bass, but it's death and bass. Yep. I
get the joke.
Mark (58:05):
It's, death at a music festival. We just recently
watched a logistics video onmusic festivals. We watched it
on Glastonbury. Woah. What acraziness that is.
Sarah (58:16):
That watching that, what was it, twenty minutes about the
logistics of how they put onGlastonbury convinced me of two
things. One, I never wanna plana big event like that. No. And
number two, I never wanna go toGlastonbury.
Mark (58:29):
Now that's a fantastically huge event.
Sarah (58:32):
Like, that's a world altering dirt. It's just a lot
of dirt.
Mark (58:35):
It's a lot of dirt.
Sarah (58:36):
And sweat and people.
Mark (58:38):
And we get that in the Babes Festival.
Sarah (58:41):
In the Babes Festival.
Mark (58:43):
Yes.
Sarah (58:43):
Alright. Until then. Bye, maniacs.
Mark (58:45):
Bye, maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery
maniacs podcast. If you enjoyedour crazy podcast today, don't
miss out on future episodes.Follow us on social media for
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Bye, maniacs.
Sarah (59:05):
We should be recording this.
Mark (59:06):
Yes. Okay. Okay. 5. Back up going.
Sarah (59:10):
Yes. Do you need to cough?
Mark (59:12):
No. I'm good. 5.
Sarah (59:14):
4. 3. 2.
When Frodo is the genius of the group.
Sarah (00:05):
Yes. Hey, maniacs.
Mark (00:22):
Hey, mystery maniacs. We're back. Mystery maniacs is a
comedy recap podcast dedicatedto mystery TV. Each week, we dig
into an episode of a showincluding the murders, the
mayhem, and everything we love.Especially the loonies.
The oaths. This is a loonyfilled episode. This week,
(00:44):
Brokenwood Mysteries from Cradleto Grave season eight episode
one. I'm Mark.
Sarah (00:50):
I'm Sarah. First of all, thanks for being patient that we
were out last week. I had anincredible mega effect infection
in my jaw. Yeah. From having tohave a tooth pulled.
It was horrible and unpleasant.Yeah. But I'm much better.
Mark (01:06):
That's good. Because you were ill.
Sarah (01:08):
I was very ill.
Mark (01:10):
I was a little worried.
Sarah (01:12):
But I'm better now. Speaking of being ill,
apparently, we were wrong aboutsome things.
Mark (01:18):
I'm I'm telling you how ill you were you? I was looking
up blood infection symptomsbecause I was like, oh, this
could go bad and I need to watchto see if she's exhibiting this
symptom so that I can get her tothe hospital in time.
Sarah (01:35):
Yeah. Yeah. It was better now. Yes. Enough dentist talk.
Okay. Speaking you you ruined mysegue. Okay. I said, speaking of
Ellen We were Ellen Yep. In ourlast episode when we talked
about key parties
Mark (01:50):
because we were wrong. Boy, were we wrong about key
parties.
Sarah (01:53):
Oh, we were being very American about key parties.
Mark (01:57):
So what I'm interested in now is there had to be a period
of time that if you emigrated toNew Zealand, Australia, or some
parts of England in the eightiesand people in your social group
invited you over to a key partyfor their 20 birthday, you
showed up with the wrong idea.
Sarah (02:17):
Or said, no, that's not really my thing, but thanks.
Mark (02:24):
In Australia, New Wait a minute.
Sarah (02:27):
You're saying I can come to the birthday party and I can
bring my kids? Yeah. What kindof people are you?
Mark (02:34):
You're sick. So Australia, New Zealand, parts of England, a
key party for a 21 or 18 yearold means they get a key to
Sarah (02:46):
the You're old enough now to be trusted with a key to the
house.
Mark (02:49):
Yes.
Sarah (02:50):
It's a responsibility marker.
Mark (02:51):
It's a yes.
Sarah (02:53):
Not a fishbowl, sex with other people's partners.
Mark (02:56):
Neighborhood orgie.
Sarah (03:00):
Whoopsie. But, you know, for those of you who are in
those places where it has such adifferent And
Mark (03:06):
for those of you who partake in neighborhood orgies,
we don't want to offend anybody.
Sarah (03:12):
But people in New Zealand must have been shocked to hear
how we define it. They werelike,
Mark (03:17):
what? We got several comments.
Sarah (03:19):
That's like that's like if we if we said sweets if we
said, oh, it's a 16 party. Andin New Zealand, 16 was a
euphemism not for a birthdayparty for a 16 year old, but for
a party where 16 people show upand have an orgy. And they're
like, wait a minute. That's whatyou call your kid's birthday
party? That's so wrong.
Mark (03:39):
If I had known it was going to be that kind of party
Sarah (03:43):
I wouldn't have come.
Mark (03:44):
I would have put my in the potato
Sarah (03:47):
salad. You're gonna have to bleep that. Yep. And they're
gonna wonder, you you're gonnaput what in potato salad? That's
a quote from a movie.
It is. We had some cool,midsummer news this week from
somebody on subreddit.
Mark (04:01):
The someone on the subreddit posted subreddit. Yes.
Jackserl posted pictures offilming locations for the
current season.
Sarah (04:12):
Yes.
Mark (04:13):
They're filming in their village. They didn't say what
village it was.
Sarah (04:17):
But they took a photo of a yarn shop.
Mark (04:19):
A photo of a yarn shop.
Sarah (04:22):
Maybe they'll be knitting. That would be awesome.
Somebody stabbed with knittingneedles.
Mark (04:25):
There was much discussion on the subreddit about there
being knitting orientedepisodes.
Sarah (04:33):
That would be great.
Mark (04:34):
That would be absolutely fantastic. In addition to that,
we watched Good Girls Guide to
Sarah (04:39):
Murder Mhmm.
Mark (04:40):
This week, which was pretty good.
Sarah (04:43):
I thought it was super fun. Yep. I really liked it.
Mark (04:45):
I think that actress is destined to do more television
or movies.
Sarah (04:50):
Absolutely. She's a
Mark (04:51):
very good
Sarah (04:52):
young actress. Yeah. So the main character. Yep. It's
It's kind of a cross betweenNancy Drew, but with the edge of
reality to it.
If you try to solve a murder inyour village, people are not
going to be happy about it. Itmight get complicated.
Mark (05:10):
My problem was she quit the assignment, like, three
times, which I didn't like.
Sarah (05:14):
You're really stuck on that.
Mark (05:15):
Yep. I'm sorry.
Sarah (05:16):
It's still it's really good. Yep. You should watch it.
You should check it out.
Mark (05:19):
Now from Cradle to Grave season eight episode one,
original air date Canada Day,07/01/2022, only three short
years ago. I can't believe that.
Sarah (05:32):
I know.
Mark (05:33):
Directed by Josh Frizzle and written by Timothy Baum.
Okay. There are two certaintiesin the universe.
Sarah (05:41):
Mhmm.
Mark (05:42):
First, Timothy Baum knows some stupid people.
Sarah (05:45):
Yeah. He has encountered stupid people in his time.
Mark (05:49):
He has indeed. And second of all, he may have a teenage
daughter or access to a friendthat has a teenage daughter who
wears rock and roll T shirts andis nonplussed with the world.
Yes.
Sarah (06:02):
It's kind of a recurring character type.
Mark (06:04):
Yes.
Sarah (06:05):
But but fun. So I'm just gonna start by saying the plot
of this episode is really notimportant. Let's just summarize
it. We spoil things, by the way.Spoiler.
Let's just summarize it a littlebit so we can talk about all the
fun stuff, because in thisepisode, the the crime itself
really isn't that pivotal,interesting, or controversial.
Mark (06:27):
In the midst of a plot to extort an eccentric out of
money, one of the Odds boysfiance murders his mother aunt.
We'll get there.
Sarah (06:41):
Godmother aunt.
Mark (06:42):
Godmother aunt because she doesn't like her. Yeah. That's
it.
Sarah (06:47):
Yeah. That's it. Controlling girlfriend of newly
released prisoner odes kills hismother to get her out of the
way.
Mark (06:55):
Yep. Okay. So that's all irrelevant.
Sarah (06:58):
Yeah. That's all irrelevant.
Mark (06:59):
My first note is cold opening. Well, if it isn't the
old sports.
Sarah (07:07):
They each have their own flavor of stupid. Right? So
there's Bobby, who's the dad.Yes. And then in age order of
the sons, Johnny Yes.
Frodo Yes. And Reese. Reese. Andit's like it's like they had a
pool of smart points, and withevery child that was born, they
(07:27):
had fewer left. And so poorReese is as dumb as
Mark (07:30):
a box of rocks. Reese is incredibly stupid.
Sarah (07:35):
They lift up the sarcophagus in the museum, and
they find that it's heavy. AndFrodo says something about he
didn't know a mummy could be soheavy, and Reese says, maybe
it's a daddy. Like, that's howdumb he is.
Mark (07:49):
I love
Sarah (07:50):
him. And it's his girlfriend who kills his mom.
Mark (07:53):
How on earth does Reese, the actor, the actor who plays
Reese, look at Neil Ray in theface and say, I think I wanna be
an astronaut.
Sarah (08:04):
Yeah. Yeah. Arlo Green, who plays Reese Yes. Has a
phenomenal skill of playingstupid. I don't know how he does
it.
It's It's like when, you know anactor is really good when they
lie in something, like theircharacter is telling a lie, and
(08:26):
they simultaneously fool thecharacter they're talking to,
but you are able to tell they'relying.
Mark (08:32):
That's
Sarah (08:33):
Like that kind of meta acting, that takes a lot of
skill. And I think it also takesa lot of skill to be
convincingly this stupid Oh,absolutely. And not be slapstick
because Reese isn't slapstick.No. Now Johnny By is the end of
(08:54):
the episode, he looks like theuprights at the end of an
American football field becauseboth of his arms are broken.
And in casts that have his armsup in the air, he attends his
own mother aunt's funeral withhis arms up in the air in double
casts. How does he scratch hisbutt? How does he do how does he
get dressed? How does he doanything
Mark (09:15):
This is far with this the funniest episode.
Sarah (09:18):
Yes. So the director of the museum has hired the Odes
Boys to move this Egyptiansarcophagus that she is
pretending is 2,000 years oldbecause she sold it to a local
collector. Now why she wouldallow these morons to move
anything? Like, I wouldn't letthe Odes boys move a boulder
(09:39):
downhill. They're so bad.
Mark (09:41):
I wouldn't let them move my laundry.
Sarah (09:43):
No. They're awful. They definitely put it on the wrong
setting. They're awful. WhenFrodo is the genius of the
group.
Yes. You know, he is the mostcommon sense. He's the least
criminal and by far the leaststupid.
Mark (09:58):
He's also like so there's this pretend mummy. But
Sarah (10:03):
It's a mannequin wrapped in gauze.
Mark (10:06):
Continuously without breaking character, Johnny Odes
continually calls it a Romanmummy.
Sarah (10:15):
I like the Romans Roman pyramids better, but, you know,
that's a matter of
Mark (10:19):
Everything in that section. Everything. They're
talking Frodo to is correct.Yes. And Johnny is wrong.
You're
Sarah (10:26):
wrong about everything.
Mark (10:32):
I have had a deep interest in the Roman period. Yeah. See,
even Frodo looks at him like,what are you talking about?
Sarah (10:40):
Never mind. When they help commit this crime, two of
them unknowing that they'recommitting a crime
Mark (10:46):
Yes.
Sarah (10:47):
It's only been nine hours since Rhys was released from
prison from holding up a bankwearing a dog mask. Like his
probation officer must be like,I told you to stay out of
trouble.
Mark (10:59):
I know you don't come from a small town, but there are
people like this in small townswho, the moment they get out of
trouble are in trouble again.
Sarah (11:08):
Do something stupid again.
Mark (11:10):
Vampires are from Poland, not from Greece. Because
Sarah (11:15):
they're just they're just sleeping. The mummies are just
sleeping.
Mark (11:18):
It is it is almost in need of a laugh track, the jokes.
Sarah (11:23):
Yeah.
Mark (11:23):
They're coming fast and furious.
Sarah (11:26):
Yeah. They're it fast. So clever.
Mark (11:30):
And Johnny Oates is his comic timing is fantastic.
Sarah (11:35):
Yes. That's Without him knowing. Jamie Irvine, who plays
Johnny, just slack jawed, hairin his eyes, and yet convinced
that he is the best looking manin the universe.
Mark (11:48):
If I met Tim Baum's brother and he was sorta like
this, I would not be surprised.No.
Sarah (11:55):
When he comes downstairs in the pub and says, wow. I must
have fell asleep on the toilet.I was on two hours.
Mark (12:03):
Two
Sarah (12:04):
hours. Like, did you hear me? Did you hear how long I was
up there? Two two it was twohours. Two two hours.
Oh. And poor Trudy is just like,can I ban them from my bar,
like, forever? Like, everymember of this family?
Mark (12:20):
Okay. The victim. We need to talk about Janice.
Sarah (12:23):
The singing telegram lady?
Mark (12:25):
Yes. This is what Reese thinks she does. Reese. Oh you
poor sweet boy. Her son.
You poor stupid boy.
Sarah (12:35):
Thinks that she's not a prostitute, that she's a singing
telegram person even thoughnobody sends telegrams anymore.
Mark (12:42):
Yes. Well, she is a prostitute. Is she Frodo's
mother? No. She's his stepmom.
Because his father is unsure ofhis parentage.
Sarah (12:57):
But it's pretty clear who your mom is
Mark (13:00):
Yeah.
Sarah (13:00):
Because she gives birth to you.
Mark (13:02):
Yes.
Sarah (13:03):
So I think Frodo would know who his mom is. Okay. Wow.
You sounded kinda like an odesthere. Do you know who your mom
is?
She was there.
Mark (13:12):
So Janice is not his mom. No. She is his Godmother. His
godmother, his stepmom His andhis aunt. And his aunt.
Sarah (13:22):
Yes.
Mark (13:23):
Now, Frodo's dad has one brother who is currently in jail
because he is the subject of theChristmas episode. When he gets
out of jail, it is the OddsChristmas episode in season
eleven.
Sarah (13:36):
Mhmm.
Mark (13:37):
I think there's another Odds brother though
Sarah (13:40):
Mhmm.
Mark (13:40):
Who is the one that Janice also married.
Sarah (13:44):
Yes. After Bobby.
Mark (13:46):
Yes. Bill Oates family tree is
Sarah (13:50):
It's impossible to figure out.
Mark (13:51):
Yes.
Sarah (13:52):
I don't even think we should try necessarily.
Mark (13:54):
So again, they're having fun with this episode.
Sarah (13:57):
It's complicated. They're family.
Mark (13:59):
So they have a slow walk. They have two slow walks.
Sarah (14:03):
You mean the slow motion montage?
Mark (14:05):
Where they walk into the station.
Sarah (14:07):
The the we mean business?
Mark (14:09):
Yep. We mean business.
Sarah (14:11):
I love that Janice's singing telegram name is Flora
Begonia.
Mark (14:17):
I love that she hits Reese over the head with a badminton
racket because she wants him toplay tennis.
Sarah (14:23):
If that's his version of the story, who knows what
actually happens? He forgot hesaw her earlier this afternoon.
So she
Mark (14:32):
That's when your mom was in rehab. So
Sarah (14:35):
she's wrapped up like a mummy in the sarcophagus. Yep.
Comes out, ketamine'd out, aboutto die, and says, you bastard.
And Reese thinks, she meansJohnny's illegitimate. Yeah.
That's why she said, youbastard. Oh. She knows she's
(14:56):
been drugged with ketamine.That's why she's saying it.
Mark (14:59):
Out of everybody in this episode, including our
principals, I would say thatFrodo is the most even keeled
human in this show.
Sarah (15:07):
He's upset because his His coffee cart has been
impounded. His stepmom aunt. Hisgod god's step aunt is dead.
Mark (15:19):
Is dead. And I think he feels taken advantage of by
Johnny. This is not the firsttime.
Sarah (15:26):
Or the last.
Mark (15:27):
Or the last, and he still feels bad about it.
Sarah (15:30):
The We're never really sure how big Brokenwood is, but
it's clearly not a big town.Yes. There's a lot of references
to the fact that it's not as bigas Riverstone, which is nearby.
So it's it's like a village, andyet it has its own prison, its
own museum. I mean, it's notit's not the Brokenwood History
(15:52):
Center.
That's different.
Mark (15:54):
Well
Sarah (15:55):
This is the Brokenwood Museum. It's a private museum.
Mark (15:58):
The museum has its own problems.
Sarah (16:00):
That charges $10 admission to see a diving helmet
and a fake sarcophagus. That'sdaylight robbery.
Mark (16:07):
The other rooms that were available.
Sarah (16:10):
We know that there's the diving room, the sarcophagus
room. What else is there? Arotating exhibition room.
There's that sign.
Mark (16:20):
Yeah. I was quickly enamored by something because
they show a close-up of themummy sign.
Sarah (16:27):
Mhmm.
Mark (16:28):
And on the the mummy sign they it says the following,
until recently it is believedthe earliest Egyptian mummies
are created naturally due to theenvironment in which they were
buried. And then goes on. Thisis a direct quote from
Wikipedia.
Sarah (16:46):
Oh, set dressers. You could have done better than
that.
Mark (16:48):
You could have done better than that. This museum is weird
for a number of reasons. Firstof all Understatement. The weird
sarcophagus thing. Mhmm.
Right? And the mummy's name.What's the mummy's name? Ruden
Carmese. I think the name is aplay on like, come on.
Like the way they say it, itkinda implies a different name.
Sarah (17:11):
I kept looking at it thinking that it must be a joke
Yeah. Because it's not a realname. Yeah. And not it's not
very Egyptian either. No.
I can only think that Daphne'sdad invented that name.
Mark (17:27):
I think
Sarah (17:27):
so. And it might have been a joke for him.
Mark (17:30):
I think so.
Sarah (17:30):
But I don't know what the joke is. If anybody listening
thinks that they get it, let usknow.
Mark (17:36):
And she wouldn't
Sarah (17:37):
There's gotta be something buried in that.
Mark (17:39):
I also think that she knew that there was no mummy in there
long before she said a.
Sarah (17:45):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think so too. But I think ifit wasn't meant to be a joke,
the name would have been likeNefertari or something. Yes. You
know? It would have sounded moreEgyptian Yes.
Than it is. So Daphne'sdaughter, who is helps out at
the museum, is Fanella. Yes.Talk about names.
Mark (18:05):
So Fanella
Sarah (18:05):
Who names their kid Fanella? Fanella. That poor girl
deserves to be bitter. Her nameis Fanella. The best she can do
is Fanny.
You want to talk about whatsomething means on either sides
of the ocean. Yes. It's not goodon either side. So we did have a
dog named Fanny who waswonderful.
Mark (18:21):
Yes. So Fanella, I love when she's trying to signal to
Daniel.
Sarah (18:29):
To Chalmers that the drugs are in
Mark (18:31):
the Yeah. She's like, Lawnmower? Lucky and a hero.
Sarah (18:36):
I'm looking with my eyes. Well, she's not a narc.
Mark (18:42):
No. But she is you're you're right that she's not a
narc, but she is Fanella isTrudy junior.
Sarah (18:51):
Kinda. Yeah. She's got the attitude.
Mark (18:53):
She's she's got the attitude, but she's doing a job
like Trudy.
Sarah (18:58):
Her dad is Bobby Oates.
Mark (19:00):
Oh my gosh. The poor thing.
Sarah (19:02):
I don't think Daphne's all that bad. Her mom's not bad.
Mark (19:06):
Daphne is the character who puts on airs to And is
secretly broke. Is secretlybroke. Mhmm. That's what she is.
But I didn't
Sarah (19:13):
And she's also not a good liar. When she finds out that
the body is in her trunk, shedoes not do a good job of hiding
it. No. She's lucky that Mike islooking away.
Mark (19:22):
Yes. She also has bad taste in men with Bobby Oates.
How much Flaming Sambuca wouldyou have to drink? A lot. That's
a that is a nice eightiesdrinking reference.
Sarah (19:36):
Like unconscious
Mark (19:38):
Yeah. A lot. Have you ever had a flaming sambuca? No.
Tastes like black licorice.
Sarah (19:44):
The only flaming drink I've ever had is absinthe.
Because you like the sugar cubeon fire?
Mark (19:50):
Yes. We've talked about the best parts of this episode
already, and we still have muchto talk about.
Sarah (19:56):
Mhmm.
Mark (19:57):
I think the joke of the episode is I found pouring water
over the coffee grounds betterthan the other way around. This
is what Chalmers says to Sims.Everybody is in on this.
Sarah (20:14):
Mhmm. The coffee jokes.
Mark (20:15):
Chalmers says this to Sims, and then she looks at him
in his face, his big old headface, and says, oh, I think I'll
try that. What were you doing?That's so good.
Sarah (20:33):
Well, and then later she says that she offered Mike a
coffee when he heard over theradio that Johnny had stolen
Mike's car, and he didn't wantany.
Mark (20:42):
They that
Sarah (20:43):
And Chalmers is like, maybe he just had his fill for
the day. Like, No. Not maybe itwas because you were making it.
Mark (20:50):
That scene where Johnny Ode steals the car. Priceless.
So much to get to. Mike, you seethe blood drain out of his head.
I wanna know as an actor what hewas thinking.
Sarah (21:05):
What Neil Ray was thinking of that made him look
that way. He's very good aboutacting about that car. I love
it. So when they so Johnny hidesin the cemetery for a while so
that he doesn't have to bequestioned. I don't know what
he's thinking is gonna happen.
Like, he's gonna hide thereforever.
Mark (21:26):
Yep.
Sarah (21:27):
Or they're just gonna forget that they wanna talk to
him about this woman's death.But then when they do catch him,
he pretends to be insane. Sothey put him in the hospital.
And he's laying there,butterflies with pumpkin heads
and, like
Mark (21:40):
And doctor Ginger is like taking him not seriously, but
she's dealing with him in amedical way.
Sarah (21:49):
It has to be hard to diagnose somebody that stupid
who is also a criminal liar.Because you can't trust anything
they self report
Mark (21:56):
about There how they has to be people who come into
emergency rooms and say thestupidest thing.
Sarah (22:03):
Especially when they've been brought in by the police.
Mark (22:05):
Yeah. The thing I wanna say is this. The Odes gene is
evolutionarily created to annoythe Sims gene. Yes. Every single
thing they do, she just is donewith it.
Sarah (22:25):
You know, we've not met Frodo's mom, but she must be a
rocket scientist for her hersmarts to balance out with the
old stupid Yeah. And come upwith Frodo who's, like, kind of
okay.
Mark (22:37):
Kind of okay.
Sarah (22:40):
When when they're recounting how Johnny sells
drugs from his lawnmower, andFanella is watching him
Mark (22:49):
And that's the worst drug deal ever.
Sarah (22:53):
He's got one of those gripper arm things that you use
to pick trash up.
Mark (22:59):
And this is sad because we're laughing at murder and
drug deals. I know.
Sarah (23:02):
It's funny. He's so stupid. So Fanella is standing
outside of the museum. Yes. AndAbigail, the murderer, who we
have hardly talked about, comesout to tell her it's time to get
back to work.
Fanella is holding a cup, like ato go cup.
Mark (23:21):
Yes.
Sarah (23:21):
Did you see it? No. She's drinking a soda standing out
there. And the to go cup has agiraffe on it, and it says the
longest, and then her hand iscovering the next word. Okay.
I tried, maybe it's from like aknown
Mark (23:39):
Fast food place.
Sarah (23:40):
Gas station chain, couldn't find anything about it.
So what the missing word is, Idon't know. Maybe it's the
longest sip, I don't know. It'snot a particularly big for
American cups anyway. Yeah.
So he deals drugs from hisriding lawnmower.
Mark (23:55):
Yes.
Sarah (23:56):
Which sort of limits the range of his drug dealing. I
mean, I know he puts it on atrailer and drives it around,
but you know, come on.
Mark (24:07):
I wonder. My first thought at that point in time was, was
he the one that sold the nutmegto the other people?
Sarah (24:16):
Why would they have to
Mark (24:17):
I don't know.
Sarah (24:18):
Buy nutmeg from a drug dealer? Like, you just go to the
grocery store.
Mark (24:20):
They were pretty stupid, and he's pretty stupid.
Sarah (24:23):
Well, they were at a key party, so, know, who knows about
them. Exactly. The lady from theNational Museum who comes to
inspect the sarcophagus toensure that they're storing it
properly is named AntigoneJames.
Mark (24:34):
Which is fantastically named.
Sarah (24:37):
It's almost nominative determinism. Yeah.
Mark (24:40):
And she is there solely to provide some grounding of the
like, this is a great example ofanyone outside of Riverstone and
Brokenwood because Looney McToonhe's in Riverstone, the dog food
magnate. Yeah. Anyone outside ofthose places has a grasp of
(25:00):
reality that the people in thisepisode do not have.
Sarah (25:03):
Do not have.
Mark (25:04):
Yeah. Mike's like, we should keep this climate
controlled and stuff. And she'slike, no.
Sarah (25:10):
Like, they shouldn't even have touched it if it was real.
Yeah. They shouldn't even havetouched it. No. No.
And she's like, this is mademaybe in the nineteen forties.
Mark (25:19):
Well, I love that it kind of plays reverse on the
colonialism. Right? Becausethere's a whole podcast called
Things the British Stole.
Sarah (25:32):
Mhmm.
Mark (25:32):
Right? The idea that somebody from a white Western
country came to your placeespecially during war the
(25:53):
Egyptians never gave them anartifact. No. The Egyptians sold
them a pig in a poke.
Sarah (25:59):
Yeah. An empty pig in a poke. Yeah. We see the dry erase
board Yes. In the policestation.
Mark (26:05):
It has the weekly schedule on it.
Sarah (26:07):
Oh, then I saw a different dry
Mark (26:08):
erase one did you see?
Sarah (26:10):
The one right outside Mike's office.
Mark (26:11):
What did it have on it?
Sarah (26:13):
A to do list. Oh. It says file evidence for school report,
reports for South Road break in,and case 84 evidence arriving.
Mark (26:23):
I need a screenshot of that because the one in his
office
Sarah (26:27):
It's at fifty five minutes if you wanna
Mark (26:29):
see in his office that used to have the financial stuff
on it has, like, meeting dailymeeting 08:00 and, you know, it
has times and a schedule.
Sarah (26:40):
Because that's how you keep your schedules on a big dry
erase board.
Mark (26:43):
I I guess.
Sarah (26:44):
What a hassle that would be. So Johnny's in the hospital
acting crazy. He's our and hedecides to break out and steal
Mike's car.
Mark (26:53):
Because the it's Keystone Cops. Has to borrow Mike's car.
Sarah (26:59):
Because Frodo's is broken down and is blocking the parking
lot.
Mark (27:02):
And Sims is in Riverwood Riverstone talking to the dog
food magnet. So all those thingshave to line up like they they
do a great job applauding thisepisode because all those things
have to line up for two things.For Johnny to steal Mike's car
and for Chalmers to try to getin the smart car. And I think
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they probably worked backwards.Yeah.
They were like, okay. We need
Sarah (27:33):
We want a scene where Chalmers has to commandeer a car
and can't fit.
Mark (27:37):
Okay. So who would he be chasing? Well, Johnny, of
course. Yeah. Okay.
Johnny escaped
Sarah (27:41):
from the car. His own car?
Mark (27:43):
Why doesn't he have his own car?
Sarah (27:44):
Because Johnny stole Mike's car.
Mark (27:46):
Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I can't go and then, well, why
doesn't he take Sims car?Because Sims Yeah.
From Riverstone and why like
Sarah (27:54):
Chalmers tries to get into that car and he hops out
again and goes, as you were. Andhe goes, and comes, here's a
different car. Now you've drivena smart car. Did you feel like
that getting into it?
Mark (28:05):
No. I didn't feel I'm I'm a big guy, if you don't know.
I'm not exceptionally tall guy.I'm a normally sized tall guy
but I'm I'm a bigger person. Ididn't feel that way in the
smart car because I was alone.
Yeah. Like having passenger too.Having a passenger would have
(28:26):
been weird. I did feel like,okay, you know those kids cars
that are like, it's like a bigtykes car.
Sarah (28:36):
Like a pedal car?
Mark (28:37):
It's a pedal car that has a red bottom and a yellow top.
Mhmm. Going beside A real car?No. No.
A transport. Oh. I totally feltlike I was in one of those.
Sarah (28:49):
You guys have to know. So when Mark drove a smart car, it
was shortly after they werefirst released. Yes. They were
kind of novelty, that you didn'tsee many of them around. And he
went to Canada to visit hisfamily, and he was gonna, he
rented a car, and he would haveflown to Toronto.
Mark (29:07):
I flew to Toronto,
Sarah (29:08):
then Ottawa. Then Ottawa. Yep. And he's on the road
driving the, what, two hours toyour
Mark (29:15):
No, like forty minutes.
Sarah (29:17):
To family. And he calls me to tell me that he's on the
ground, and he's got a car andeverything. And he's talking to
me, and all I can hear in thebackground. I'm like, what is
that sound? And he's like, oh,it's a car.
I was like, that doesn't soundright. That car's not right.
That's what you rented? And he'slike, it's a smart car. Like,
(29:38):
you're driving a smart car?
Yes. Like, is it not roomy?Okay? It's not roomy.
Mark (29:47):
I was definitely like, I showed up at my mother's house
and my brother came over liketwenty minutes later and and was
like, we heard you have a smartcar.
Sarah (29:59):
That was before electric cars had generated sounds that
made them
Mark (30:05):
It was totally
Sarah (30:06):
sound like an electric car. It was totally A novelty
Mark (30:11):
in town? The small town novelty car.
Sarah (30:14):
So let's talk about Gordon Godby. Okay. He who has
offered to buy the sarcophagusfor a $100,000.
Mark (30:25):
Yes. So he is stupidly rich. Yes. Because his family
has engineered it that he can dono harm to himself. Right.
But he has enough money to spenda $100,000 on something. Yes. So
they have to be unbelievablyrich. Yes.
Sarah (30:49):
They have As a provided for him and also insulated the
company from him.
Mark (30:55):
Yes.
Sarah (30:55):
Gordon Dogby Godby. Not only How old do you think he is?
Seventies?
Mark (31:03):
Seventies. Not only did he get the newspaper reporter to
write a fake biography for him.
Sarah (31:09):
Do you think that was what's her name?
Mark (31:11):
Kushla? It is. It's Oh, okay. They they say it's Kushla.
Sarah (31:15):
I I missed that they said it was Kushla.
Mark (31:16):
Same as Kushla. Know her.
Sarah (31:19):
So It's called My Life in Ruins. My
Mark (31:22):
Life in Ruins.
Sarah (31:24):
It should have been called I Ruined It. Yes. There.
I ruined it.
Mark (31:28):
Plus, he's a foot fetishist guy. Not that there's
anything wrong with foot fetish,but I do not want Janice's feet
anywhere near me.
Sarah (31:39):
Janice's feet may be the prettiest part of her because
her face is not up there. No.She's got some scars and some
dimples and weird places.
Mark (31:48):
She is a fantastic actress.
Sarah (31:50):
She's a good actress.
Mark (31:51):
She must have walked in and they went, yes.
Sarah (31:53):
Not a looker.
Mark (31:54):
Right there.
Sarah (31:55):
She's got the full lash line eyeliner on top and bottom.
Top and bottom. Not only is heinto feet, but he's into
archaeology and feet. Like, sothe scene, if you don't
remember, if it's been a while,is he hires her
Mark (32:13):
So it's a flashback Yeah. To hire her
Sarah (32:15):
to as a seeing telegram lady. What did your dad call
prostitutes? Women waiting
Mark (32:24):
Women for the waiting for the bus.
Sarah (32:25):
Yeah. As a woman waiting for the bus, she comes over, and
he has this sandstone preparedYeah. With a spot in the back of
it for her foot,
Mark (32:35):
I guess. I mean I don't believe this is the first time
this happened.
Sarah (32:39):
This this takes a lot of effort It does. So that he can
pretend to excavate her foot.
Mark (32:45):
And then she says, is this gonna end soon?
Sarah (32:49):
Is this gonna take much longer?
Mark (32:50):
Like
Sarah (32:52):
She's not enthusiastic.
Mark (32:53):
You have to reevaluate your life when the hookers in
your life
Sarah (32:57):
are asking to leave over. All I know is that Phil from
Time Team would not approve ofhis excavation approach.
Mark (33:06):
No. No. This is not self approved.
Sarah (33:11):
But he he's kind of a feat. Like, the way he eats the
sausage roll
Mark (33:17):
Yes.
Sarah (33:18):
Is kind of a feat. And yet, he's clearly into women
Mark (33:23):
Yes.
Sarah (33:23):
Or at least their feet. I don't know.
Mark (33:26):
And then he does the thing that is the best thing for him
to do, which he should have doneearlier, which is call his
lawyer
Sarah (33:33):
Dennis Buchanan. Dennis
Mark (33:34):
Buchanan shows up.
Sarah (33:36):
So if you had to, would you rather admit to a stranger
that you were in the bathroomfor twenty minutes because you
had curry diarrhea, or admit tothem that you enjoyed putting on
a diving helmet and pretendingto be a deep sea diver.
Mark (33:54):
I don't know why he just doesn't fess up there.
Sarah (33:56):
Would be less embarrassing to you. It's not
embarrassing at all.
Mark (34:00):
He was enjoying the exhibits. That's what he was
doing.
Sarah (34:03):
I don't think you're supposed to put them on. But,
like, if you had to confess toone or the other
Mark (34:10):
Yeah. The Dennis' explanation of the curry is
fantastic. Yeah.
Sarah (34:18):
Was it spicy curry? Oh, man. You were in for it. You
were asking for it there. He's agood liar.
Mark (34:23):
We did some digging into Dennis Buchanan. So Dennis
Buchanan is played by ShaneCortese.
Sarah (34:32):
And we we did this because we saw that Instagram
post. Yes.
Mark (34:38):
What From started Shane Cortese. Yes. In which we
learned that Shane Cortese isnot only an actor, he's also a
real estate agent and anauctioneer. Yeah. So first of
all, Shane is a fantastic actor.
Sarah (34:53):
Oh, yeah. But the Instagram post that we saw
initially was him talking aboutreal estate because he is a real
estate agent. Like, it wasadvertising a new development.
There But the thing that we aspokesperson for it.
Mark (35:08):
The thing we noticed was he is Dennis. Yes.
Sarah (35:14):
Either he he always is that person as soon as a camera
aims at him, or that is who heis all the time.
Mark (35:20):
I have absolutely he's not in anything else. No. Nothing
else. No. So obviously, Tim Baumwas trying to buy a house or
something, ran across this guyand said you're
Sarah (35:31):
the guy.
Mark (35:32):
You're the man for us. Come on.
Sarah (35:33):
And he was like, I always wanted to act. Yeah. Sounds
good. He's great.
Mark (35:37):
He is the non aggressive, positive salesperson in your
life.
Sarah (35:44):
Yeah. He's not skeezy.
Mark (35:46):
He's not skeezy.
Sarah (35:46):
He's not trying to trick anybody.
Mark (35:48):
None of those.
Sarah (35:48):
He's actually an ethical lawyer.
Mark (35:50):
He does a fantastic amount. The actor also does a
fantastic amount for charity.Yeah. So he's a fantastic guy,
but he is that guy. Like, thecadence was the same.
Sarah (36:05):
It was the same. When I first saw that Instagram post, I
thought, oh, they've hired theactor to be a spokesperson for
the real estate company. Yes.No, no. There was another post
where they were looking to hireanother agent, and it was him
talking about, this is what ourculture is like.
This is who we're looking for. Ihope you'll apply. And he's on
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the website. I mean, like, heworks there. I was very
surprised by that.
Mark (36:34):
Okay. We have to deal with this.
Sarah (36:37):
Even split, seventythirty? Eighty twenty.
That's the odds even split.
Mark (36:42):
Frodo's dad, Johnny's dad, Reese's dad, same person, is a
bit skeezy when it comes towomen and predatoriness.
Sarah (36:52):
Yeah. For a guy who wears overalls, he has too much self
confidence.
Mark (36:57):
But in a really funny way. I don't
Sarah (37:00):
I don't know how funny it is. When he looks Abigail up and
down, it's gross.
Mark (37:04):
It is gross? The first thing he says to Trudy is, do
you remember? You'd make a goodmom.
Sarah (37:11):
Yeah. Because he has eight kids and counting or 11
kids and counting.
Mark (37:16):
Trudy isn't Trudy is fantastically Trudy in this
episode. And this is the highpoint of Trudy because she says,
I'm not a narc, but then sheexplains
Sarah (37:26):
Yes. Then she narcs.
Mark (37:27):
That she like, in the truest sense of the word of a
narcotics officer Yes. She givesup Johnny for selling drugs in
the bathroom. Like, she totallynarcs on me.
Sarah (37:40):
I'm no narc, but he sells ketamine. Yes. What would a narc
have said? I'm not really sure.It's it's like she's saying, I'm
not paid to tell you this.
I'm not a professional narc.
Mark (37:55):
But the Oates family, and Johnny comes by this from his
father, is they all have a wayof talking in which they don't
talk about the truth and theyimply other things.
Sarah (38:07):
Mhmm.
Mark (38:08):
Like like when he talks about, we're not really sure
about Frodo. They just kind ofskip over that really quick.
Sarah (38:15):
Bobby and Johnny do that. Yeah. Reese is too stupid
Mark (38:19):
Reese is too stupid.
Sarah (38:20):
To be slick.
Mark (38:21):
And I believe that Frodo's good heart tries to keep him out
of doing. I don't think Frodo
Sarah (38:27):
I think Frodo would be perfectly happy to run his
coffee cart, actually date thegirl who says she's not his
girlfriend, Kimmy Yes. And mindhis own business.
Mark (38:35):
Yes. I think he would be absolutely pleased with that.
Sarah (38:40):
Back to Gordon for just a second. Yes. At one hour and
nine minutes
Mark (38:45):
Yes.
Sarah (38:45):
One hour and nine minutes, they are in Gordon's
home yet again. Yes. I thinkit's him and Sims talking about
Mark (38:53):
Which I think his home is a museum. It's beautiful.
Sarah (38:56):
Yeah. But it is the conversation where Buchanan
shows up.
Mark (39:01):
Yes.
Sarah (39:01):
Right? Where he's admitting it wasn't Curry, it
was a diving costume Yes. Thathe was occupied with for twenty
two minutes. In the room thatthey are in, there is a very
strange painting Yes. That takesup much of a wall.
And the only way I can describethis painting is a man seemingly
(39:23):
saying, are those my feet? Willput a picture of this painting.
Mark (39:27):
Will put a picture of this painting in the show notes.
Sarah (39:31):
It's kind of a good painting, I think, maybe. Again
It's hard to say. Rich. So it itcould be like a well known
artist. It could be, as you say,like an actual museum
collection, maybe.
But the painting is of a manwith a lot of empty space around
him standing, looking down athis own feet with a face that
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just says confusion. Like, whendid those get there? Yeah.
Talking about his feet. It'sworth looking at.
If anybody knows what it is, letus know. So this let's talk
about the body. Okay. So Daphnehas probably known for a while
that there's no actual mummy inthe sarcophagus, but now she
wants to sell it. And Gordon isdumb enough to not know, because
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he's not an archaeologist,though he pretends to be one,
see his book.
She knows if he finds out thatthere's no mummy in it, he's not
gonna buy it. Yep. So she wantsa body in there. Yes. She goes
to Bobby Yes.
The father of her child, andsays, you've never paid child
support. You've been a deadbeather whole life. Yes. I need a
(40:41):
favor, and you're gonna do it.Yes.
I want you to dig up Gwen, andwe're gonna put Gwen's body in
the sarcophagus.
Mark (40:49):
Yes.
Sarah (40:50):
Okay? Now, let's just think about the logistics of
this.
Mark (40:53):
Again, there is no reality in this episode. You cannot pick
up a 100 year old body from acasket
Sarah (41:01):
Like a plastic skeleton.
Mark (41:02):
Like a pointed skeleton that it is. Yes.
Sarah (41:06):
So Gwen doesn't have a last name on her tombstone. So I
can only assume she has nofamily and was unidentified.
Mark (41:13):
I wouldn't be stunned if it was Gwen Oates.
Sarah (41:16):
Yeah. But seemingly they've at least chosen somebody
who doesn't have family who'sgonna care. Yep. Maybe. Poor
Gwen.
So Bobby digs her up, and Iguess then wraps her in gauze.
Mark (41:30):
I guess so.
Sarah (41:31):
Which would not have been easy to do. Never mind, there
would have been some kind ofcasket I would think, even if it
was just a wood casket.
Mark (41:40):
Well, never mind. Johnny goes to the grocery goes to the
department store and steals themannequin. Yeah. Like, that's
clearly a mannequin and like, ithas one of those fashion poses.
Sarah (41:53):
It was never gonna fit in sarcophagus.
Mark (41:55):
Never. Sorry.
Sarah (41:56):
I don't know what Janice was thinking. She might have
measured the width of it, butnot the depth of it because No.
It wouldn't have fit. No. So soBobby digs up Gwen, then they
put Gwen that Bobby has wrapped
Mark (42:12):
up Yes.
Sarah (42:13):
Into the sarcophagus. Yes.
Mark (42:16):
This is at the museum. Yeah. It has three employees and
nobody comes to it.
Sarah (42:21):
Right. Abigail decides to stash Janice's body. Now I think
wrapping Janice in gauzywrappings would be even harder
than wrapping because she's nota tiny woman.
Mark (42:37):
Well, she's a knitter.
Sarah (42:40):
You think she knit the The
Mark (42:41):
sweaters. The sweaters. That Reese has on is horrific.
Sarah (42:49):
It's it's bad.
Mark (42:50):
She's a good cook. She's not a knitter.
Sarah (42:54):
When they have the flashback of Abigail committing
the crime Yes. And she slingsJanice's body over the cart that
she uses for this supper withher ass up in the air. Abigail
is secretly super strong.
Mark (43:12):
She is clearly because she
Sarah (43:14):
can move the lid of the sarcophagus by herself. Yep. Get
Gwen out. Yep. Lift Janice up.
Mark (43:22):
Yes.
Sarah (43:23):
High enough to put her in the sarcophagus.
Mark (43:26):
Wait. She's a small woman. She's up to her head height
Yeah.
Sarah (43:30):
To get Shoulder height
Mark (43:32):
Yeah.
Sarah (43:32):
With Janice Yep. Who she's already wrapped up in
gauze on the side of the road, Iguess, by her car. I guess? And
put her in the trunk. Maybe?
To then get her out and put herin.
Mark (43:45):
Again, this makes no sense.
Sarah (43:47):
Avigail is a psycho. Yep. But she's talented.
Mark (43:51):
She is.
Sarah (43:52):
She's really strong.
Mark (43:53):
And and again, she is a good cook.
Sarah (43:56):
She can knit. She's not a good cook. She can put things in
the oven.
Mark (44:00):
That's true.
Sarah (44:00):
She puts frozen things in the oven. I'm not impressed with
her cooking. No. When she saysMaybe she makes the vol au vent
from scratch.
Mark (44:07):
When she says, I know that's what the instructions
say, but I know differently. I'mlike, oh, you're that person.
Sarah (44:18):
Like, okay. Think Abigail's mother is in the back
room in a rocking rocking chair.Chair.
Mark (44:24):
I definitely think that could happen. Mother. Yes.
Roadblocks. Abigail, like, isthat kind of person.
Like, if you're making food andyou don't have a recipe or you
do have a recipe, you follow theinstructions and you can maybe
fiddle with it a bit. But ifyou're taking something out of a
(44:46):
package and it has instructionsof how to cook it, you follow
those instructions.
Sarah (44:51):
I don't know about that. I don't always follow them.
Sometimes they're wrong. Theyshouldn't be, but anybody who's
ever made frozen french frieswill tell you the time on the
back on the bag is wrong. It's alie.
Mark (45:03):
I I just have trouble with that.
Sarah (45:05):
Well, the shoebox recreation is brilliant. When
they have the doll and theskeleton and the shoebox. Yes.
And the mummy, which I think isa Barbie wrapped in toilet
paper. And they're like, well,the Holly Hobby could go in, and
(45:26):
then the skeleton can come out.
Mark (45:28):
Yes. And then
Sarah (45:28):
because you almost have to do that to figure out and
Abigail did all of that?
Mark (45:33):
Yes. At this point in time, before the funeral, which
is one of the best parts of the
Sarah (45:38):
episode Yes.
Mark (45:40):
I think there's a Johnny Odes mowing sign in the cop
shop.
Sarah (45:47):
Oh, yeah. A flyer.
Mark (45:48):
Yeah. Yeah. Which is brilliant because he sells drugs
while he's doing it.
Sarah (45:53):
Yes. And he's basically advertising in the cop shop?
Yes. So they do the therecreation of the shoe with the
shoebox. Yeah.
But then they've got to go backto the museum and actually time
it to figure out if Abigailactually had enough time to
commit the crime, right?
Mark (46:11):
Who else goes to these lectures? And why isn't Miss M
there?
Sarah (46:16):
You know who goes to those
Mark (46:19):
lectures? Yes.
Sarah (46:20):
Who want a free sausage roll.
Mark (46:22):
Yes.
Sarah (46:22):
And we've all know we all know those people. Yeah. I'm
surprised there's not aretirement home bus out front
Mark (46:27):
Yes.
Sarah (46:28):
That brings people an empty amount to go and get a
night of entertainment. But theyrecreate the crime, timing it to
see if Abigail could have doneit. And poor Chalmers has to
pretend to give a lecture. Yes.And he decides to give one about
how country music increases thechance of divorce.
Mark (46:44):
The divorce.
Sarah (46:45):
It's so funny. And in conclusion, country western
music causes more divorces. It'sgreat.
Mark (46:52):
They they started this season and this episode and
said, this is an Odds episode.Mhmm. And everybody sat back in
their chairs and went,
Sarah (47:01):
okay, it's on. Yeah. Full full on. No stops. Yep.
Frodo is speaking at thefuneral.
Mark (47:08):
Yes. So they have a funeral for Janice.
Sarah (47:11):
There's what? 10 people there?
Mark (47:13):
So Frodo, Johnny, Bobby
Sarah (47:16):
Reese, Abigail Reese, Abigail. Mike, Sam.
Mark (47:19):
Some red haired woman there.
Sarah (47:22):
And like three extras.
Mark (47:23):
Three extras. Johnny is in his Jesus Christ pose.
Sarah (47:28):
Yes. No, he's in the field goal post.
Mark (47:32):
Yes, he's in the field goal post.
Sarah (47:34):
Reese has already said the last time he saw his mom,
other than earlier that day,that he's forgotten about was
when she hit him with a tennisracket. No. A badminton racket
because she wanted him to playtennis. Yep. And Frodo is at the
front of the church saying thatauntie mom was a really good
tennis player.
Mark (47:55):
Frodo is so like, he plays it so clean in this episode.
Sarah (48:00):
And then Reverend Green, Janice was well loved by many,
most who could not be heretoday.
Mark (48:09):
So they decide to turn a negative into a positive and
have a wedding. At this pointSims is like, now? Can we break
this up now?
Sarah (48:18):
Abigail is full on psycho now. Yeah. She's kind, but weird
initially. And when you see hermeet Janice in the flashback at
the museum, she seems likelegitimately trying to
ingratiate herself with Janice.Like, I'm sorry.
I think we got off on the wrongfoot.
Mark (48:37):
Yes.
Sarah (48:38):
You know?
Mark (48:39):
And she goes, of course you know who I am. And Janice is
like, Janice is a horrific.She's a horrific person.
Sarah (48:46):
Oh, yeah.
Mark (48:46):
But she has no idea
Sarah (48:47):
who She's also shrewd. Yes. Because though she's a bad
mother who probably droppedReese on his head and hit him
with
Mark (48:55):
He fell on his head.
Sarah (48:56):
And hit him with a badminton racket or whatever,
she's like, he's dumb, and I'mnot going to let the least I can
do is not let somebody takeadvantage of him.
Mark (49:05):
Yeah. She reads her in a second. Yeah.
Sarah (49:09):
She's like, I got your number, your mom's in the back
room. Doubt you're a Skypeanyway. Mummified in a shawl
rocking in a rocking You'recreepy, stay away from my son.
Mark (49:20):
Her eyes, at this point in time, Abigail's eyes go full on,
like it's all white Yeah. Aroundaround around the pupil.
Sarah (49:28):
But when Jana says that, she is signing her death
warrant. Oh, yeah. And shedoesn't know it. Nope. Like, oh,
Abigail's just like, I'm goingto kill you later.
Bye. It just clicks in her head.And at the so she's little bit
crazy because she's datingReese, And starts writing him
(49:52):
because he's in prison, andshe's like, well, if all he's
got is Johnny
Mark (49:57):
Well, he's in for thirteen long ones.
Sarah (49:59):
Yeah. Years? Months. She's like, is the least I could
do is write this guy letters tokeep him company, though he's
probably two blocks away at themen's prison, wherever that is.
Mark (50:11):
And she has a long string of crazy town boyfriend
encounters too.
Sarah (50:15):
Yeah. So she goes from that to the Janice encounter, a
little bit crazier.
Mark (50:21):
Yeah.
Sarah (50:22):
Then we see them at home Yep. With the tea and the
sweaters, and she's more crazy.Yep. Insists on reading one of
the letters that Reese wrote herfrom prison, which he didn't
write. Didn't write thoseletters.
Mark (50:36):
Yeah, okay.
Sarah (50:38):
By the time we get to the funeral, and they're up behind
the podium, she's full on crazy.
Mark (50:45):
Oh, she is like, I got the marriage license downtown today.
Sarah (50:49):
Yeah, She has planned it all out. Yep. Yeah, he can be an
astronaut.
Mark (50:55):
Yeah.
Sarah (50:57):
Like there have been times when you've said, you
know, I don't think I want to dothis thing. And I thought, maybe
I don't if you really want to,I'm behind you. Yeah. Like, it's
totally possible. You can do it.
I don't know if you should, butif you want to, you got me.
Yeah. I'm there. But if yousaid, I think I wanna be an
astronaut, I'd say, honey, areyou okay? Yeah.
(51:19):
Like, let's talk about it.
Mark (51:20):
I am not astronaut material. No. And I accepted
that at like eight.
Sarah (51:29):
Is that when they put you on that gravity machine and you
threw up? No. Like when youstarted, they started the tests?
No. Canada doesn't really have aspace program, do they?
Mark (51:39):
We borrow yours. Yeah. Have astronauts who hitch a ride
Sarah (51:43):
on it. Hitch a ride. Yeah. Yeah, you don't really
borrow it.
Mark (51:46):
Chris Hatfield.
Sarah (51:46):
Yeah.
Mark (51:47):
Being the most well known. So
Sarah (51:51):
you didn't have a lot of role models to look up to.
Mark (51:53):
No. But I did grow up in the time in the mid seventies
where I was, like, convinced Iwould be living on the moon by
February.
Sarah (52:04):
See, this is we have a small difference in age, but the
difference in age is enough isthat as a kid, I thought
astronauts blew up while youwatch them on TV.
Mark (52:12):
Well, and then they came out with the the shuttle, and I
was like, that doesn't look likea moon base.
Sarah (52:22):
Nobody's gonna live in that.
Mark (52:25):
How am I gonna get to the moon in that?
Sarah (52:28):
And when I do, where am I gonna live?
Mark (52:30):
And then, like, Billy Bragg has a fantastic song about
this. It's called The Space Raceis Over.
Sarah (52:35):
Maybe Reese should have heard that song. Yeah. He
wouldn't understand Billy Bragg,I don't think.
Mark (52:40):
No. But but
Sarah (52:41):
So so Abigail's there. She's got a marriage license
already. I mean, Rev Green istrying everything to, like,
diffuse the weirdness. And thenjust is like, I guess I gotta go
with it because There has I wantthis to be over.
Mark (52:54):
There has to be meetings of clergy or liturgical people
in a community where theydiscuss things like, oh, boy. I
had a wedding funeral this week.Like where you talk about the
job. Mhmm.
Sarah (53:08):
Where you get to say, this woman came to me to perform
her husband's funeral and shewanted me to Yes. Did you do it?
Well, it was his last wish soyeah. Yep. I wore the bunny
suit.
It meant a lot to them. Likethey gotta ask somebody who will
sympathize with them.
Mark (53:28):
Speaking of like the comedy of this is brilliant
because Bobby asks about thelife insurance, asks about it
again.
Sarah (53:36):
She'd want her kids to be taken care of and she'd expect
me to do it.
Mark (53:40):
Asks a third time and then knows he has stepped over the
line about asking it Yeah. Andnever mentions it again.
Sarah (53:48):
Nope. Nope. He's gotta be good at identifying the shit
show and slipping out. Yes. Hewould not be where he is, having
survived that many women notkilling him.
Mark (54:01):
Yes.
Sarah (54:04):
Must understand, this situation's too hot for me. I'm
out.
Mark (54:09):
Yes. I'm going back to the graveyard.
Sarah (54:11):
There's no advantage here for me. Yes. I'm gonna go. She
Well, it's Abigail grabs funeralflowers for her bouquet.
Mark (54:21):
It's Bobby Yodes. He goes, am I gonna get either some sex
or a child out of thissituation? No. Okay. I'm gone.
Or cash?
Sarah (54:31):
Yeah. No? Yeah. I'm goodbye. I got better things to
do.
Yep. I'm gonna go dig a perfectgrave.
Mark (54:38):
Now I wanna watch. I wanna watch the Christmas Ode show
from season eleven again. Mhmm.Because I think there are so
many callbacks to this episodeThat we
Sarah (54:48):
would have forgotten.
Mark (54:48):
That we would have forgotten.
Sarah (54:49):
Like in that episode, and this is not a spoiler if you
haven't seen it, Johnny is justgetting out of prison, and they
say that part of the reason whyhe was in prison was that he
mishandled human remains.
Mark (55:02):
Yes.
Sarah (55:03):
And I couldn't remember, like, what did he do? I had And
it's forgotten this, it's himhelping move Gwen's body around.
Mark (55:11):
I had forgotten the whole Janus sarcophagus, Egyptian, I
Roman, pyramids, was just like,oh, it's the Oates family
episode.
Sarah (55:20):
I've never been to a funeral wedding before.
Mark (55:22):
No. Neither have I. And Mike as a girlfriend. The end.
Sarah (55:30):
The end. That he's not telling them about.
Mark (55:33):
So do you think, like, we're supposed to not know who
this is, but we know who it
Sarah (55:39):
is? Mhmm.
Mark (55:42):
Who did we think it was at the time? Because there's no
indication in this episode whoit is.
Sarah (55:47):
No. I don't know. Because Mike's love life is such a
mystery Yeah. That I don't thinkwe could have guessed unless we
thought maybe it was his ex.Maybe.
The one who's not with thecheese monger.
Mark (55:59):
Now, when you watch the last episode of season seven, it
is obvious what they're settingup. Mhmm. Because we know.
Sarah (56:07):
Yeah. Looking back,
Mark (56:08):
it's clear. I don't think
Sarah (56:10):
I don't think I picked it up at the
Mark (56:11):
time when I
Sarah (56:12):
first saw it. No. Not at all. No. After the credits, it's
pretty easy in this one.
Johnny goes to jail. Abigailgoes to jail.
Mark (56:20):
Reese becomes an ambulance driver.
Sarah (56:27):
Of course he does. You know, because he's driving
around bodies. He's done itbefore.
Mark (56:32):
I I just have more feelings for Frodo. And also, if
you remember, the very firsttime we're introduced to Frodo,
the first episode, Kristen sayssomething about the Odes family
in that episode. Mhmm. And theyjust put that in the little
envelope and they said, we'llget to that later.
Sarah (56:55):
It was like a rainbow that they penciled in the very
beginning of it
Mark (57:00):
Yep.
Sarah (57:00):
Knowing there was an arc Yep. And it was gonna come back.
It'll we'll get there.
Mark (57:05):
And the Oates family story is not up. And I don't wanna I
don't wanna give you anyspoilers. But if this episode is
11, the Oates family Christmasis 15.
Sarah (57:16):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. At least. At least. It's like this, but
everybody's on ketamine.
Yes. Oh, so that is from thecradle to the grave. Yes. Poor
Reese. I don't
Mark (57:32):
wanna call it the best episode because I like other
episodes.
Sarah (57:36):
It is the funniest episode.
Mark (57:38):
By far the funniest episode.
Sarah (57:40):
Until the Odds family Christmas, which I think is
funnier. But this is very funny.It's an awesome way to start a
season.
Mark (57:48):
It is a fantastic way to start the season. Next week, we
will cover in season eightepisode two death and bass about
the killer bass at the musicfestival.
Sarah (58:00):
It's like drum and bass, but it's death and bass. Yep. I
get the joke.
Mark (58:05):
It's, death at a music festival. We just recently
watched a logistics video onmusic festivals. We watched it
on Glastonbury. Woah. What acraziness that is.
Sarah (58:16):
That watching that, what was it, twenty minutes about the
logistics of how they put onGlastonbury convinced me of two
things. One, I never wanna plana big event like that. No. And
number two, I never wanna go toGlastonbury.
Mark (58:29):
Now that's a fantastically huge event.
Sarah (58:32):
Like, that's a world altering dirt. It's just a lot
of dirt.
Mark (58:35):
It's a lot of dirt.
Sarah (58:36):
And sweat and people.
Mark (58:38):
And we get that in the Babes Festival.
Sarah (58:41):
In the Babes Festival.
Mark (58:43):
Yes.
Sarah (58:43):
Alright. Until then. Bye, maniacs.
Mark (58:45):
Bye, maniacs. Thanks for joining us on the mystery
maniacs podcast. If you enjoyedour crazy podcast today, don't
miss out on future episodes.Follow us on social media for
updates, beyond the scenescontent, and exclusive sneak
peeks. Subscribe, like, andshare to spread the word.
Bye, maniacs.
Sarah (59:05):
We should be recording this.
Mark (59:06):
Yes. Okay. Okay. 5. Back up going.
Sarah (59:10):
Yes. Do you need to cough?
Mark (59:12):
No. I'm good. 5.
Sarah (59:14):
4. 3. 2.
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